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July 28, 2025 79 mins
Good evening fight Fans welcome back for another episode of The Real N Rare tonight Steven Rychel will be sitting down with BKFC Featherweight champion Jessica "Black Widow" Borga who is coming off a 32 Sec. 1st Rd. KO victory over Hannah Rankin April 5th in Dubai
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, sports fans, what is up? We are back
for another episode of the Real and the Rare, And
I definitely have a rare one with me this evening,
as I have my good friend, Miss Jessica the Black
Widow Borga and you know, for people who don't know,
obviously just became the featherweight champion for BKFC back in April.

(00:46):
You know, me and her been doing, been going back
and forth as since she was an amateur. So definitely
always loved catching up with Jessica and picking her brain,
talking about what's going on with life, what's going on
in the combat sports world. So Jessica, as always, it's
a pleasure catching up with you. See you got the
hardware hanging up over over your shoulder there.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh it's always close to me.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I do want to do something real quickly, you know, obviously,
you know I always tend to have some fun here.
I'm going to play a clipper of the last fight
and just want to get your thoughts. What were you
thinking in this exact moment?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
So hold on, it's about a seventeen second clip of
your fight here.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Man, man, you know it's similar to what's going on now.
But yeah, there's a lot of talk, and the usually
the ones that are cocky and arrogant, and uh, you
know that talking doesn't do much when you step into
the ring with someone who likes the fighting to speak
for itself.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
So I mean, I remember we did the interview before
the fight. I think it was like two weeks before
the fight, and you know, not a whole lot of
the trash had been talked at that time. But obviously
there are some things said, stuff happens at the way
and things of things of that nature. But what are
you saying in that moment? How are you feeling? Is
it just natural reaction? And just like.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Honestly, I mean, I knew it was gonna happen. I
didn't think it was gonna be that fast. You know,
she had went in the distance with Clarisia shields, so
that's you know, that's that's saying a lot that you know,
I thought she was gonna be a little tougher. But
I I just don't see anyone that I know right now.

(02:42):
I know there's always gonna be a bigger, you know, bigger,
better bull eventually, but right now, with bare knuckle, I
don't see anyone beating me. But you know, when it
was her and I in there, I just it was natural.
You know, it is natural when I'm in there. That's
the thing is, I don't have to force it out.
I don't have to. I feel the most calm and

(03:03):
collected and where I'm supposed to be, like, I feel
like I belong there. And that's just I mean, it's
just easy for me there. You know, that's this. It
just explains me. It explains I get to release that
side of me that I get. I work daily to
fight that side of me, you know that, not to
fight it really, but like you know, to keep it

(03:24):
at bay. You can't really release the beasts on a
regular basis without getting you know, in prison or whatnot.
But I get to do it legally and I now
can control my chaos and let it out in the ring.
And you know, these these girls that are talking and
stuff like that, you know, to me, that's not my style.

(03:44):
It's never been my style. I can speak back, you know,
everyone knows, you know, I can talk back, but at
this point in time, I just don't even care to.
I just want that contract signed and I want to
be able to get in that room and do what
I do best.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
So yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, you know, there's
there's been a lot of stuff going on obviously from
the Champs summit, you and and and Christina Frera. Now
for people who don't follow your page, before that, you
guys had to sit down at the at the Champion summit,

(04:23):
you and her manager were going back and forth about
potential matchup scene where things goes. And I'm not gonna
go over the comments, she said, because obviously they're you know,
you know, she she's she's hanging at the load, dangling fruit,
trying to get a reaction out of you. You know,
obviously you could say so you can go personal and
say some things about her, about about her orientation and

(04:43):
stuff like that, but that's just not the type of
person you are. But that being said, you know, obviously,
as you're saying, you know you had enough of the talk.
You want the contract just on. Do you think you
guys are still gonna haggle over these last you know,
ten pounds or so? Are you going to fight at
forty five or are you gonna go down the thirty
five because we've talked about like potentially going down and

(05:06):
entertaining other fights. You know, we've had you on here.
Obviously before you retire, you'd love to get in there
with somebody like the likes of Percideboard. What are your
overall thoughts on if this thing is actually going to
happen and what it would look like to the things.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
At this point, I will do whatever I need to
do to make it happen, because, like I said, I'm
not into the talking, and apparently she's just not gonna
shut up, So I am willing to do whatever is necessary.
If anyone follows me though they know that I am.
I don't I don't walk around heavy.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I walk very close to my weight class, so it's
not a huge cut for me to need to go
down into the thirties. And her thinking that it is
in that it's gonna save her is crazy to me.
She wants to say that I'm scared to go down
to thirty five, but in reality, who's the one really scared?
Because if you think that, if you think about it,

(06:05):
it's plain and simple that if you sit there and
call yourself the queen of violence and call someone out,
but then make them cut weight because you're scared to
fight them at forty five or forty. It doesn't make
sense like it doesn't. The math isn't calculating, you know
what I mean, it's you're scared. Just say it now.

(06:28):
I'm hearing in other interviews of hers that she wants
it in elevation and blah blah blah. If you think
you're batter than me, and you think that you're the
you're the best and more skilled fighter, then why are
you trying to get any and every advantage that you
can thinking that it's going to save you. She obviously

(06:49):
doesn't know me. She doesn't follow me. She doesn't know
that I train consistently, I stay ready, I train hard
all the time. No matter who they put in from me,
it's not gonna matter if she's she she literally only
goes after my looks and the fact that I'm actually marketable,
which screams her insecurities on her. It's it's it's entertaining. Really,

(07:15):
It's like you're she's literally showing her insecurities and her fear.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I trying to tell you something about her insecurities. She
her and Jules hasn't gotten back to me for interviews
in over three and a half years. The last time
I reached out to her. She told me to go
interview Helen Parolta because I just got I just got
them talking to her. She had she had a fight.
This is before she went over to B y B.

(07:42):
I think it was one of her last fights for Invicta.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
And was like telling me, Helen Parolta is a what
what what?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
What? What?

Speaker 2 (07:49):
What classes? She?

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Oh, that's right, she's a thirty five or forty five
and now she's a feather weighted now is she not?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
She went up but she started and beat for reat?
What what? What? What way? Class?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Fly way or not? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Go ahead, Sorry, but it's one of.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
These things like she she she you could tell she's
sensitive about about some things regardless. You know, the the
badest woman on the planet persona And I've already told
told you this. I'm not scared to say it. Like
she needs you more now for the fight she doesn't
have that. She wants to be known as the baddest
woman on the planet. All right, Well tell me what

(08:27):
her biggest win is right now? Her biggest win was
the the first Beck hot the Beck fight. Yeah, when
she when she stopped back, she has she hasn't.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Really good almost knocked her out so like she which
is also a one to twenty five er and almost
got knocked out. I'm not taking anything away from her.
I'm not that type of person, like you said, like,
I give her all the props in the world that
she's been the face of the female division and she's
done what she needed to do. However, she said CeCe

(08:58):
says about the people that I have fought, which she
doesn't ever like to mention Hannah, because Hannah's actually a
one to fifty fiver usually and a two time world
champion boxer, and she wants to say that I've never
fought anyone with skill, but she was more skilled than
her in boxing specifically. But it doesn't matter. She wants
to sit there and say about the lower weight class

(09:18):
that came up to fight me at forty five. Uh,
the one thirty five and the one twenty five. She's
actually a one twenty five. She used to be one
fifteen and she's been up to one twenty five for
a while now. Sarah Klick, my first fight, my debut,
which was a last minute replacement. So better to have
a last minute replacement than no one at all. But however,
most of her fights had been one fifteen ers that

(09:39):
came up to one twenty five. So the facts are
the facts. She does, you know, And I could easily
set all of this in to argue back with her
in this press conference and stuff like that, but she
is the type of person. There's no point in arguing
with someone who is set in their ways and their beliefs.
It's there's just no point. It's a waste of breath.

(10:02):
It's a waste of time.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm content with who I am. She's obviously not content
with who she is. I can smell her fear from
a mile away, and she should be scared. She should
be very scared, because at this point, you know, I
didn't I didn't like my last opponent. We saw what
happened there. But I really don't like her, and I
just cannot wait to get my hands on her. And

(10:25):
it's not it's not even a it's not. I think
she's trying to get in my head. But it's not
like that. You're not in my head in a way
that's going to jeopardize me. It's going to jeopardize you.
You have no idea. I'm better with chaos. I'm most
I strive in chaos. So she's causing the chaos that

(10:49):
I strive in. So you know, she's just adding more
wood to the fire that's already burning. Then I feed
off that in a way and more. If you look
at anyone that I've had a problem with my entire career,
even in Nima, it never it never went well for them.

(11:11):
So it is what it is. Man. You know, I
get it, you're gonna try to build a fight and
stuff like that, but her trying to get any in
every advantage she can, which isn't gonna save her. It's
just screaming that you're scared. Just admit it. You know,
if you want me, you call me out. You should
be fighting me at my weight class. I even offered

(11:32):
her a one forty, you know, but it is what
it is. At this point, I just want to fight,
make it happen.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
This is not the first time, I think. I think
before you won the title, when you didn't know that
they were gonna have you fight for the title, that
you even tried to help her with a last minute replacement,
that it ended up in one of these weird situations, right.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's what started everything. Honestly, it's so weird because I
had nothing but respect. I had no reason to to.
I give everyone respect. I don't dislike someone for no reason.
They had to give me a reason, and once they
give me a reason, I'm a completely different person. But yeah,
I offered after two weeks of me just fighting. It
was two weeks after that her fight was hardy fell

(12:16):
through and I was trying to save her fight because
she was bitching and complaining and crying that nobody wanted
to fight her, and I didn't have no problem fighting her.
It's a good win for me, but it's also to
help her. You know, if I had anyone to step
up and replace my fight, I would be thankful much
less like instead of what she did coming in with
the insults and stuff like that, you're not even on

(12:37):
my level, blah blah. If you just say you're scared,
you're scared, it's fine, it's whatever. But I was offering
after just fighting a bare knuckle two weeks prior. I
was offering to do a catchwaight at forty and cut
even lower for her after just cutting weight, so and
the heads all of a sudden, like I'm not even
on her level.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I already said that she needs, she needs if she
wants to continue running around saying she's the baddest b
on the planet, then she needs to add a name
to the list that's worth talking about, not not not
beating up Britton Hart twice at a weight class where
she's she's going up to make sure the fight happens,
and Britain's is amazing champion at her weight class. But

(13:24):
I mean, like I said, it's her and Becker the
only names on the list that kind of sticks out
to it. She needs your the jewe that you're bringing
to the table right now, more more than you need her.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
And that's what everyone's saying. I think that's what bothers
her so much, you know, is like I'm marketable, God forbid,
I get that, but it's it's to me. You can
say whatever you want about me being pretty. I'm gonna
show you just how pretty I am because I could
get two ships about my looks and you're gonna feel
every bit of how pretty my right hand is.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, I mean hopefully you know b KFC and you
guys kind of sit down and say, this is where
it's gonna happen, this is where it's gonna go. This
is when we're gonna put it together.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Obviously bad if you cut down. She's saying that, it's
it's more badass if you cut down. No, no, it's
more badass if you if you fight someone bigger than you.
In my opinion, you know, it doesn't it's just stupid her.
Her whole thing is just it just doesn't make logic. Yeah,

(14:31):
the logic doesn't make sense. You literally don't sound even
everyone in the comments of her viral moment of her
saying what she said about which is crazy too, because
I've always made weight. I've never had a problem making way,
even at thirty five and twenty five when I started
my career. So I always made weight. I was always
a professional about it. So there was you whatever, she

(14:57):
just doesn't make sense. It's not logic.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
She wanted to say what she wanted to say, so
she she looks like she she was like a guess
having her her econom Er Gregor moment.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right, Yeah, that's what and a lot of people I
get it, you know, I get it. You want to
you want to have those viral moments, but uh, you know,
I'd rather have a viral moment and knocking people out
like I did my last fight. I guess you'd picked
your viral. That's what I just pick your viral.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah. And I think the other thing is is that
you kind of got something that she's been looking for
for a while now. And you were the first person
to record a knockout for the for the women's division
n b KFC. Yeah, there's been doctor stoppage. Is there
wasn't a knockout into until April fifth when you clean

(15:45):
that type.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, And she apparently posted something about oh miss Chunker
and Mick Chunkers or something like that, Uh got the
first knockout, And I'm like, I walk around leaner than her.
She usually walks around at my weight, Like my weight
that I usually walk around at is what I'm told.
So it is what it is. And and interviews and everything,

(16:07):
she's literally copying what I'm saying. So it's like, man,
you're a fan at this point, You're a fan. It
is what it is, you know. I mean, well, it
is what it is, But I just can't wait. We're
in the talks of it right now, so once I
get confirmation, everyone will know. And I'm hoping it's gonna
be October.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Hopefully it's you know, it is October. We don't have
to wait wait too long for it now. Obviously other
things got to announced that that that weekend, and I
want to kind of touch on the bab the badis uh,
the badis uh you know, uh tournament, Yeah, twenty five
million is gonna be on on the line after this

(16:52):
potential fight comes through fruition. Is is that tournament that
that's gonna be going off next year? Is something you
want to get into? Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Fuck yess Yeah, absolutely absolutely, bring in anyone and everyone.
I you know, it's my time right now. I have
no doubt in my mind that this is my time.
I am here to stay and I want, you know,
that tournament right there will solidify like that's exactly who

(17:22):
I am and I'm about to show the world now.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Obviously, Uh, there's a weight formula for the guys. Have
they announced what the weight formula is going to be
for the for the for the females, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I haven't heard anything. Uh. I to me, it's it
should be just open class, but I'm sure I don't know.
Maybe they'll they'll do something a little different, you know,
make the smaller half and half kind of like so
I'll probably be at the lower end of the weight
class if they do that, you know, like if they'd

(17:56):
split it up, or I'll be at the higher end
of the other one. But whichever, I don't care. I'm
not scared to fight bigger girls. You can see Hannah
Rankin was probably twenty pounds heavier than me when we
stepped in that ring. Is not gonn It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Now you're talking about Hannah rank and you know who
you talked about fighting, Clarisa Shields. Clarissa Fault this week
had another another big win for her. Now, obviously the
talk over the last month has been, uh, you know,
obviously Laila Ali went out there said that that that
if if they came up with a proper dollar amount,

(18:33):
that that they would entertain that fight. Courissa and her
team is smart enough to go out there and put
it out there that they can't they have the money
for that for that fight. Now, you know, talk to
a few people. Some people are excited for this. Some
people would rather see see Clarisa fight somebody like Chris Cyborg.
Who if you if you're you know, someone in Clarissa's camp,

(18:54):
who are you trying to go through the Laila Ali fight?
You know, kind of like a legacy fight thing, or
or are you gonna finally give give somebody like like
a Chris Cyborg her chance to to to see if
if if her box and skills has improved to that
to that level. You know.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
That's that's I can see kind of both of the
aspects of that. It's kind of like a Jake Paul move.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You're you're beating someone of the that was a great
but at the same time, it's an older person, you
know what I mean. Like to me, I if I
was Clarissa, I wouldn't want to fight someone who's older.
I would want them more of a challenge. And not
to say that Leila can't can't show that she's still good.

(19:41):
That's not what I'm saying. But I don't know. I
just I think more of a Chris Cyborg, even though
Cyborg is older too, you know, it's not the same.
But I don't think cyborgs on. I think it'd be
a good fight, but I don't think she's on the
level of Clarissa with boxing yet, I don't I personally,
I don't think that I would love to love to

(20:02):
get a shot with Cyborg. You know, in bare knuckle.
I would really love that. But I mean, she already
said that she's going to retire after her next to
her two PFL fights. I guess she has left on
her contract is over, and that's what she announced. I
don't know if that's gonna stick or not. You know,
everyone retires probably twenty times before they actually retire for good.

(20:24):
It seems like it.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Anyway, all her hats over here is sitting there saying
Shield should be setting up a catchwaight with with with
with bumgardener. I wouldn't mind to see that either.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, that's a good one. That's a yeah, that's a
good one for sure. I would love Clarissa, you know,
to come over in bare knuckle even I'll even go
up and wait.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I mean if people who The reason why I
asked is because Chris has been trying to get that
fight with Clarissa. I think for like two and af years.
They ran into each other and looked like it was
like some type of that'd be a good money fight
of signing an event, and Clarissa was like, dude, I'll
have to I'll have to cut off my butt cheeks
or something like that to make the weight or something

(21:08):
like that. At the way, I don't see her ever
going back down anymore. I think I see you see
her fighting that heavyweight for some time now, and I
don't think she's gonna go down for for anybody at
this point in time. I don't think Cyborg fight is
gonna come to fruition. Uh, just just my personal take,
just from the way you see how the conversation's going

(21:29):
and things of things, things of that nature. But I
sure would love to see it. I know Chloris has
also said that she she's done with MMA, like the
last two times that she did it, she broke her
arm twice in a matter of two years.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
That she actually huh.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
She said she broke her arm twice. She think she
said it on the Whole Ani Show. If I remember correctly.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
MMA is a lot of a lot more brutal on
your body. I can I'll definitely agree to that, especially
jiu jitsu and stuff like that. You get a lot
more injuries with that than boxing in my personal experience.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
So yeah, Now, I don't know if you've seen this one,
you know, you know we're talking about boxing. Do you
know Sidney Sweeney is actually going to be playing Chrissy
Martin in an upcoming biopic.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
No, I haven't heard anything about that.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Now, for some people who don't know, Sidney Sweeney was
actually a training partner ron Orassi before she got into
the movie business. So interesting to see how that movie
comes to play out. You know, we don't really have
a whole lot of women's combat sports movies, biopics, things
of that nature. So I'm intrigued to see, you know, how

(22:47):
the production for that goes, if it's a good if
it's a good quality movie, et cetera. Because yeah, well
you have a whole lot of that to kind of
go off of.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, that's true. I'm interested to see that too. Didn't
say it around a time it would become.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I think they just started. They just started, uh kind
of put putting it together, doing the filming. But they
secured Sydney as as the person who's gonna gonna be
playing Chrissy Martin.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
You haven't heard much about her, anything about her really
in a while.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I mean we see we see some some fun
stuff with with with a lot of the combat sports athletes,
and that was the first time I've seen, like I said,
you know, see anything with the women's side of boxing
at m m A anything like that where you're actually
getting something movie wise, you know, obviously, uh, you know,

(23:38):
rumors as the UFC is going to be doing their
own movie with with the the the guy that just
did uh the last uh what was the name of
that movie forgetting the name of the movie he just did?
It was, uh, the Justice League. The guy that did
the Justice League that he's gonna be producing the the

(24:00):
m m A movie with the UFC. So we have
that that comes out. But like, you don't really see
a whole lot of stuff in combat sports going to
the Like the last good one was What Warrior.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, you're right, it's
been a while.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
We haven't seen a good one in a while. Like
I said, Tom, I mean obviously you're having a guy
like Tom Hardy and there you know who's actually you know,
does you get you get somebody who actually knows what
they're doing and you actually have a good movie put together.
I'm interested to see this one. Now. If you were
able to sit there and pick one person out of

(24:37):
out of the women's combat sports world you would want
to see their life put on the big screen. Who
would you want to see I know a lot of
people would probably say Rond de Rassi just because of
you know, you know what she meant to that era,
Like would you would you like to see somebody like
a main andons? You know who would if you're if
you're a movie production company, who you're doing a biopic of?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Man? I wouldn't say I'm any just because no, no,
this is like not to be mean or anything, but
just her English just not very good. So I feel
like it'd be a little bit difficult to put her
in a movie. But she's I mean, definitely been a
huge inspiration for a lot of upcoming fighters. You know,

(25:20):
a lot of people have not done what she has done.
Definitely would be interesting to see a past about her.
I would love to fight her and bare knuckle, you know,
but I know she's fighting Harrison coming up, and I'm
excited about that fight.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I am true and Kayla just shows you what a
true gee she is. She was like, listen, let's bypass
that that six month window where Amanda has to be
in the Texans pool. I want this fight now. I
want And it's even more intriguing for what from people
who don't know maybe maybe you're just tuning in this
because of Jessica, But Amanda and Kayla were teammates for

(25:56):
a period of time at American Top Top Team, you know,
was when Amanda was at the top of her game
when Kayla was coming up. So it's interesting to see
because they're they're familiar with one another. So it's not
I don't think it's quite like the John Jones and
and and Rashad Evans type thing. But I think it's
one of those things where where I think, uh, I

(26:17):
think the young Lione has has a little bit of
a an advantage on on the ground, where I think
Amanda has has the clear vantage on the feet. But
we're still talking to MMA fight at the end of
the day. It's thro intriguing this matchup. It's you know,
I guess in some ways, you're, you know, your typical
striker versus grappler matchup when it comes to m m A.
So I am really excited to see this one for

(26:39):
for the UFC, other for you know, women's combat sports.
We haven't had a really big fight in women's MMA
since since Amanda beat Ron.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's definitely a good matchup. I
do think Aman is gonna come out on top. But
you know, you never know, a lot of people have
a lot of faith in Kayla, So I mean not
that I don't either. I mean they're both beasts.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean you gotta think about this,
Kaylea cut cuts down down a lot to get down
to the thirty five to make that fight happen. Yeah,
and Amanda is a two time you know, Olympic Gold
Metal Judica, you know, so she has has her own
pedigree and things of that nature. But Amanda's Amanda is

(27:25):
one of those women who's like, if we're doing our
female combat sports Mount Rushmore, she's the first person you need.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, everyone knows. I mean she's she's proven herself, you know,
so far she is the goat.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's hard to disagree that because you know, not only
she did it the thirty five, she also she beats
Cyborg in the way she like her highlight reel is
just insanity.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah yeah, right behind her, I mean chep Chenko. I
love Chepchenko. I think her IQ and she's a savage too,
and she's went up and you know, gave a man
of her time with a fight. So I think chuck
Chenko is amazing as well, but definitely my man has
done things just incredible.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well, yeah, Valentina is just she's just very special.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
She yes, she is.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know, I mean obviously she she has ruled that
that flyweight division, you know, with an iron fist, so
to speak. I mean she she's beaten everyone. Who's who
you know a lot of people like to talk about
Johanna Jay Chuck early in her career, how how amazing
she was. It makes me just think of Rosanama units

(28:38):
just how how she's she's beaten, beaten her, you know,
lost lost the title to to you know, well, I
am not forgetting her name. She lose that title too.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, I'm trying to think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Then Carla the title to the Asian chick what's her name?
Forgetting her forget earning too, and then then Rose winds
up winning that winning that one.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Back bumping you yeah, I mean in the name man,
it's it's you know, it's a mixture of all the
martial arts. It's you get, you make one mistake and
they capitalize on it. You know, it's a game of
chest that's whoever's better that night. A lot of people
want to say, but they've never done it.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I mean, there's just there's so many levels to this.
There's just so there's just so many different things that
can happen in there, and it's you gotta love all
the aspects of combat sports, m M, A, bare knuckle,
all of it. There's just so many different things. And
you know, obviously, you know the the boxing event that

(29:59):
happened a few weeks ago. They're on Netflix. You know that,
you know, all women's women's boxing card. You know, we
all hate Jake Paul for one reason or another, but
cannot take the fact that he is an a class promoter.
He is.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Oh, I was just gonna say, Man, they're honestly, both
of the Paul brothers, they're both. I mean, they're they're genius.
They're geniuses, and I don't have any hate for them
at all. I love how they don't care it's bad
publicity and good publicity is still publicity. So you're still
getting publicity, but there's note or bad and they understand

(30:33):
that that's you know, they're hated by a lot of people,
but a lot of people watch just to see if
they can get beat or see if and that's part
of it. It's smart, it's it's beautiful and honestly, the
things that they do good for the sport, Like you
were piure to say, like they have done so much
for the sport of boxing, and they really care about

(30:55):
their fighters as we can see about like Ben.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
With what he's going on, did the Ben Askin situation,
and you know, more than like I know, Jake's kind
of the one that people will name, but but you know,
there was there was a lot of people that kind
of reached out to make sure that Ben Asking is
still here with us, he's recovering. Well, he's looking a
lot better. I heard part of it as well, you know, Jake, Jake,

(31:21):
Jake have it was a big part of getting the
name out there. Yeah, he was asked after after the
the Jake Paul event. Dana White also donated something privately,
didd didn't ask for too much attention for that. I
believe there was a handful of other boxers that that
also took part in that too. So as much as

(31:42):
we'd like to throw that on on Jake, Jake's the
one that made it out there, made to go viral
that this thing was happening, you know, trying to shame
Dana for it, as he always tries to do.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
But uh yeah, I mean, but it does make things happen,
Like you said, like like like.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Like I said, there's a lot of things to dislike
about him, but at the same time, like he uses
his platform overall for good and I and you know
you're gonna gonna get to me. My next point is
he got ranked after that fight. That This is where
I have a problem, right, this is where where I think,
you know, money, money is the is the ruler of
all things. He's only had two or or three fights

(32:22):
against actual boxers, none of them are in his actual
weight class and weight But somehow he gets he gets
that fourteen ranking and that that has has actually stay.
They did have a ruling on that. You know, the
the WBC is letting him keep that ranking. Now, if
I'm the if I'm the guy that got bumped out

(32:43):
of that fourteen spot of got knocked down, I'm like, listen,
this is my fight now. I don't care who who
y'all calling out he knocked me at the rankings. I'm
I want my spot back.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, yep, I agree.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
So the only thing I'm say is moving forward, he
better be fighting actual, actual cruiserweights that are ranked in
his weight class. I don't. I've had enough of the
the you know, the circus fights, the goofy fights or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, And I get it. You know, you're building a
name beating these legends, these these these people that are
great fighters, been around for a long time, huge names.
That's a good business move too, I get it. But
you're right, I would love to see I think he
has the he has the technique, and he has the
skill to be able to fight in his weight class

(33:34):
and his and his age class more than anything.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
But you know that one. Yeah, like what in my opinion,
like as much as I'm irritated by it, at the
same time, we're the they're gonna now hold him accountable
and he's gonna have to fight the best of the best.
It's no more, you know, like people like to say
it this way, like he he he cut his teeth

(33:59):
on the these big names, these high profile guys that
also helped him kind of gain this this popularity, but
namely somebody who who had beaten those level guys on
their way up. The list is short, so I get
like where a lot of people are coming from. But
this is, in my opinion, will hold Jacob Cannibal moving forward,

(34:20):
because if you do any more of the these goofy
fights against guys that are not in your weight class,
that are that are you know, there's an age difference,
there's a weight difference.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, all that that's what like, I mean, it happens
with fans, you know, they especially fans that just follow
that's never actually practiced the sport or follow and look
at the actual things that matter. All they see is
the wins. All they see is the names. All they
see is is the simple stuff, and they don't see

(34:52):
what goes on underneath and what really is the difference
between a lot of things. So that's I mean, that's
why there's so many blind followers in this sport. You
know a lot of like misfits fans and stuff like that.
Like they just hear what she's saying, which is inaccurate information,
and it's it's it's adorable really that they're just gonna

(35:14):
go along with it. You know, they see a pretty
face and that's all they see. I love that because
I feel like I'm very underestimated because of my looks.
But man, that's fine with me. I'll be pretty.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Jessica maybe along those lines where people like to like
like put page vans in. There's a difference. Jessica actually
fights where you know, uh.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I do understand that a lot of like you're saying,
a lot of girls that are pretty haven't given us
a good rep.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I get it. There, you know, it's you know, she's
just a pretty face. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, No, No, I'm a very They look like have
that that that mold that kind of makes me look
like them, And I don't fight like them.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
No, No, I fight differently than any woman I've ever met.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Differently. I told you I was going to bring this
up tonight. Yeah, you know, you know, for people who
don't know, Jessica has a nonprofit that is absolutely near
and dear to her heart. You know that she has
a thing coming together in October and obviously she's trying
to be trying to fight it in October's even funnier

(36:28):
you having an event, Kyla thing called Unmasking Domestic Violence,
and you have your nonprofit, the Widow's Web kind of
give us all rundown first on on how you know
Widow's Web got started in and to how did this
event come about for you.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, well, if anyone's followed me for the new people,
I started MMA because of domestic violence. I was raised
in domestic violence and I was in relationships that was
continuing the domestic violence. So I actually started MMA just
for defense. But from the moment I had walked into
my MMA Gym Champions MMA in Lakeland, Florida, like the
moment I started, it was it was what I felt

(37:07):
like I was meant to do.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I was here to do this.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And you know, from the years, it's led me to
where I really belong, which is bare knuckle, but it's
led me to where I have this platform now to
where I can give back. And that's where the Widow's
Web came in. And I've been wanting to for a
long time, but I finally got it started last year.
It took some time for it to get approved from
the state and everything like that, but I'm very excited

(37:32):
about it and we're having our first It's gonna be annual.
It's gonna be an annual fundraiser, but this is gonna
be our inaugural one and I'm very excited about it.
It's gonna be in October for National Domestic Violence Awareness Month,
and it's like you said, unmasquerade. We're unmasking the pain
and revealing the power. So that's our little motto. It's

(37:54):
gonna be a lot of fun though. People can come out.
It's gonna be there's gonna be a silent auction. There's
gonna be tons of stuff there. There's food, there's drink,
there's entertainment. So it's going to be a really awesome
night out and you get to be able to give back.
And we're raising fundraiser in specific for our mobile safe house.
That's that's what my goal is is to have a

(38:15):
mobile safe house. There's a lot of stationary safe houses,
but if that address ever gets disclosed or if they
need to get out of the situation they're in and
take into a safe house, that's where I'm going to
come in. So there's not any of those. There's a
couple in the US, but there's not very many.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, and like you said, you know this is for
people who don't know that. You know, that's one of
the reasons you've been been involved in combat sports and
for people who are in the area. You've also put
out this post today that you guys are looking for
any type of volunteers to kind of help you with
with what you guys are are needing to put together
for that October twenty fifth event, So you know, you know,

(38:56):
as far as that goes, I want to ask you
another thing, obviously, are you saying this is gonna be
something you're going to be doing every year? Are you
just going to be keeping it strictly down there in Florida?
Are you going to be looking this to do this
in other states as well?

Speaker 2 (39:09):
No, I would love to be able to expand it
to other states as well. I know I'm gonna have to,
you know, take it slow, step by step, but yeah,
my main my goal is to be worldwide, so eventually,
you know, at least all over the US, and multiple
safe houses all over the US as well, so it's
eventually the bigger goal is all over. But we're gonna
take it one step at a time, and we're gonna

(39:31):
be doing it, you know, in Florida, and I already
have another state that's kind of talking about it, so
hopefully we'll be able to do that next year.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I say, you got to come to fill it Oflphia
to and do that.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, definitely, I want to go everywhere. I want to
be able to help people as much as I can,
and not just I hate when people are like, oh,
spreading awareness, everyone's aware of the situation. But my main
thing is just to be able to help people, so
self defense classes and resource RUSS and getting them out
of the situation that they're in and helping them stay

(40:05):
out of the situation because a lot of domestic violence
survivors usually end up going back because that's what they're
used to. So fixing the mental health aspect of it,
which I'm a huge advocate for. It took me years
to get me saying not just saying that, you know,
just fix my mental health and really concentrate on that,
and that's when my whole world changed. That's when I

(40:26):
was able to win the World champion. You know, it's
getting your mind right is the first step in anything
of success in your life. So let me just tell
you that I'm a huge advocate for mental health.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
It's definitely something I get behind because you know, my
my mother, you know, is the domestic abuse survivor. You
no even you know my girlfriend who I'm with now,
she she had had some of that stuff that she
had to deal with at different points in her life
as well. So it's one of these things where if
I can help you get the word out, you know,

(40:59):
as we talk about on this on this, if we can,
if we can connect you with one one person on
here tonight that that you know, maybe in a situation
or maybe scared to reach out or doesn't know where
to turn to next, and you happen to come across
this interview. This is this is why I always talk
about this stuff and bring people on like you to
kind of speak on these type of type of topics. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I love being able to be open about it because me,
they look at me as a very strong you know,
and I am very strong. I'm mentally strong, I'm physically strong.
But even no matter how strong I've been and how
how much I stood up for myself, I still got
trapped in that cycle because that's what I was raised in,
That's what I thought I deserve. So I continue to

(41:42):
cycle with my ex. You know that you get trapped
in it, and you know that that trauma bond is real.
So no matter how strong you are, no matter how
fierce you are, you you can be an abuse victim.
It doesn't matter if you're a man, woman, child, It
doesn't matter. It doesn't discriminate, and it doesn't. It's not
only all physical. It's the mental abuse, which is way

(42:05):
more actually devastating, and it stays with you a lot longer.
The mental side of it is way more damning on you, honestly,
you know, it's it's a lot harder to get over
that physical wounds heal. It's the mental abuse that is
is the worst. And you know, I was raised with that,
so I was actually continuing a lot of what I
was taught that was okay, and it's not okay. And

(42:27):
I don't want to treat my kids the way my
dad treated me, you know, I don't want that to continue.
So I've made a lot of changes in the last
since I've been with my husband. He's been allowed he's
allowed me to heal. So I can thank him for
changing my world.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
We all we all have that person that just helps
us see things in a different ways, like, oh, oh yeah,
I shouldn't have been allowing that to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh yeah, And I shouldn't act like that because that's
a crazy you know, like I shouldn't act like what
my father acted like, you know, and I didn't even
realize it. You know, you're not even aware of it
until you're around someone that is so calm and so
collected and so loving and actually truly loving. He was

(43:10):
the first person in my life that I've actually treated
me with love and kindness, no matter you know, my
my I say weaknesses, but my imperfections, I guess you
could say. So it takes a strong individual to show
you what you're capable of.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah, you gotta. You gotta love the broken pieces and
help help help show them that that it's not them
that's broken, it's just you know, your way of looking
at things that was broken. So true as always thieves
in the chat room was listening to us talking talk.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
About that and talk about he is my biggest supporter.
I'm telling you, like I haven't. I wouldn't be able
to be where I am today without him.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, I feel you there. You're other half is always
your biggest cheerleader. If they're if they're not, if they're
not sitting there.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You know, and our kids them to the supportant.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
There's something wrong there. And you know you're mentioning your
kids there now obviously they're in the hockey. I got
to go back to your promotion here. Are you surprised
that the BKFC is doing this whole h b KFC
ice thing.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
No, but you know, my son is interested in that
because he is a hockey player and he is getting
into boxing. So I would love to see my son
do that one day. That'd be awesome. I think he'd
have a blast with it. So that's you know, I'm
calling it now, my boy would probably be into something
like that.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Well, you know, hopefully, you know, you know, ten years
or so. You know, it's something BKFC is still doing.
And you know, I thought that was a cool thing
when when they announced the the Hockey Fights or BKFC ice,
however you want to call it. It's a it's a
cool little thing they're they're doing. When it comes to that, it's.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Definitely smart to get that hockey you know, all the
hockey fans, you're getting your.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
I mean, it's you're connecting two other fan bases together,
which I think is is really smart. With with uh,
with some of the stuff that BKFC has been doing
over the last few years, I feel I me and
you've talked about this before, you know, Uh, there used
to be a very very large, significant gap between what
the UFC is doing and whatever else is doing. And

(45:26):
I think if you look at what BKFC and Dave
has done over the last two and a half three years,
they've more than cut that in half. And in my opinion,
they've been kicking the UFC and the teeth at least
over the last two years, because I don't see any
new stars developing out of the UFC. Were we see
new stars every night. Look at this past weekend, Lex

(45:48):
Ludlow has done yeah in his first two fights, obviously,
uh uh. You know, good friend of mine. I've been
following him since his amateur career here here in Philadelphia.
You know he he's got a pechanci for the for
the wrestling dramatics. That's why his last fight you see
him on the mic. He's not scared, scared of the
microphone or scared to call anyone out. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
That's what they want. They love that. I get it.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
You see stuff like that, it's not surprising. So only
other thing they surprised me was what was opposed that
came at this past week right. It was something about
that they were getting ready for a public action for
the b KFC sales now b KFC shares. Now, you
guys have also been promised that, uh you know, moving forward,

(46:36):
that you guys are gonna have equity shares in the company,
especially the champions, things of that nature. How excited are
for you for for for these type opportunities that to
kind of come along, not just for the fighters, but
people who want to get involved in the sport, that
you have an opportunity to go and buy shares and
you know, have a say in which direction the company goes.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Well, I think it is a a great I will
know more when I see the paperwork. Let me say
that I will know more when I actually read the
fine print on what it all involves. I think it's
a great way to really get the fighters into it
more and like it's great motivation. But I have not

(47:22):
received any paperwork yet, so until I do, uh, I don't,
I don't know how great it is.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Like I think it's cool. I mean I need to
see the fine print. I need to see what's up
I am.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I'm the type of person I don't trust many people,
and I don't I always have my lawyer and manager
read over the fine print and he had it in
the press conference, and I still haven't got any, so
I would love to get that paperwork.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Though.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I think it's really awesome that they are offering to
do this for the fighters. I think Dave Feldman really
does have goodness in his heart. He really you know,
if he says something, it usually does get done. He's
a man of his word, and he really cares about
the fighters, I think. But I do want to I
want to see the paperwork.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I'm with Stephen here, but I think that the what
the graphic I was just showing you is one of
the early investors is probably getting out and they're probably
trying to cash out on their shares, which I wouldn't
blame them at this point in time, considering how much
the sport has grown. And I mean, I've already seen
the other promotion kind of picked this up and run

(48:29):
it and try to put fun out of it. But
if you're having an investor that's you know, invested heavily
in the company and they're trying to get out, what
do you want want to try to get an equally
bigger investor to be involved in having them put this
information out there. So I'm interested to see who buys
the shares, but not only that, I'm with you. I

(48:50):
want to see what your guys' equity shares looking like
as far as the athletes concerned.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, I'm definitely. I'm definitely interested in that because it
could go a lot of different ways. It couldn't be
as good as it seems. So I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Oh, I'm sure you will, because you're not wanting to
hold your tongue on some of these situations or something. No,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I think, you know, I think there's certain people that
have come into the sport, and I get it if
they have a bigger following, but they get paid a
lot of money to fight on their first fight, and
I don't think that, you know, I'm not saying that
all of us don't get paid well blah blah blah,
but like, I do think that some people are overpaid

(49:34):
for coming in right off the bat, and then some
people really have to push for what they are I
think that they are deserving of or what they are
deserving of. So I do think that that needs to
be evaluated a little bit. And you know, you know me,
I'm not one to sit down and shut up, you know,
I feel like some people just get better treatment.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It's just like any any promotion that we talk about.
They some have their favorites, some get taken care of,
and then some have to fight cross scratch, scream, holler,
you know, making public service announcement to get what they
feel like they should just be already given so. And
it's not. It doesn't just fall under the b KFC
banner either. Rights promotions obviously. Uh. Some of the news

(50:26):
came out this week that they're kind of changing some
of the verbiage in the ALI Act and kind of
making it, you know, boxing look a lot more like
what what what what the UFC has already done with
m m A. Some people are happy about it, some
people are upset about it. You know, you're you're always gonna,
like you said, we always got to read that fine print,

(50:47):
especially when it comes to the combat sports athlete, because
you guys don't have we were just talking about about,
you know, Ben Askron, you guys don't have have long
term medical care. Guys are gonna have to pay for
you know, medical insurance out of your pockets, and there's
there's gonna I literally can is now a cautionary tale
that you guys need to have a good portion of

(51:11):
money put away in case something big or crazy happens
in your life. Because the insurance company can say, you
know what, that's too much money for our blood. You're
on your own.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I'm on because of because of my career and because
of the high risk and everything. You know. I pay
six hundred and seventy five dollars a month for my
health insurance, which is insane because I still pay copays,
I still pay out of pocket for a lot of shit,
like you know, but I have to have it because
of because of what I do, because I do put
my body at risk, you know, all the time. So

(51:41):
it is, it is what it is, you know. I
do wish you know people understood more that fighters do
not get paid well. Us fighters do not. You have
to be a huge name to get paid well. And
our sponsors and endorsements if we can. I've never even
had an endorsement, I wish, But sponsors and stuff like
that really help us in between fights. You know, the
last two years, I've waited almost a year in between

(52:03):
each fight to fight. So like, you only get paid
when you fight, So you know, people that step up
and really help in between my sponsors. I freaking love
my sponsors. Everyone knows that. Like, I really try to
give my sponsor out sponsors the treatment they deserve because
they're the ones that help me in between. You know.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, it definitely is and one last boxing one and
that then we're gonna start getting ready to close this
one up. I don't know if you heard, but it's
official now. The boxing TV graveyard is full. There is
as of right now. It is the first time since
nineteen forty that there will not be any boxing on

(52:46):
cable tv, you know, anything like that. We talked about
it before that combat sports has completely changed, you know,
there's a lot of promotions going away from the pay
per view model that moving forward, boxing is probably more
than likely going to be strictly on some type of
streaming app or some type of app service. It's not
going to be on HBO, it's not going to be

(53:08):
on ESPN, it's not gonna be on CBS, nothing like that. So,
for the first time since nineteen forty, there's gonna be
no free boxing on regular television. I mean, we all
do that in the weird time.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
What do you think, Yeah, I mean it is it's
the world we live in. You know, it's everything is streamed,
everything is social media, everything is the show and the
paying for it. So that's where people are making their money. Now,
that's how things are getting done. You know, that's I
mean a lot of people are working from home because
they're making money off of you know. It's just it's

(53:49):
the world we live in.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
It's crazy, but got to keep up with the times.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Not completely wrong there, Steve. I don't think boxing would
be dead, but it'd be in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, I agree with that. He's doing amazing things to
keep that going. But boxing's always paid better than the
MMA fighters. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I mean the fact that that that Corrosia Shields team
basically had fifteen million dollars laying around to offer Laila
Alia fights just tells you how much the staunch difference
of where combat sports as a whole is compared to
what boxing is able to kind of just put out
money wise. I mean, how we're even watching now as

(54:28):
Dana Waite is getting ready to promote his first real
boxing event since he became president of the UFC. What
does that tell you?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah, that's crazy. I have never even made over twenty
five thousand it's just insane, like you know, like it's
just insane. You're getting fifteen million. Why do you think
I'm gonna do that competition? So bad?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Man? Yeah, and you know we're talking about throwing money around.
You knew I was going to bring this up at
some point in time. I've made it. I've already let
you know about this. I mean you were kind of
rehashed this this again. Uh, you know, athletes asking us media,
real media, not not people that are just you know,

(55:09):
have these big platforms and they can you know, I'm
not Pat McAfee or whatever whatever like like that, but
reached out to an athlete recently and they were like, oh,
I'm not I'm now now charging money. You know, I
come back and I don't want I don't, I don't.
We're not going to throw this person under the bus.
They're charging four interviews. They're two hundred and fifty dollars

(55:29):
for a half hour. So wait they have done now
also made another post I know you guys are no
longer being able to see their stuff, but basically defending
why this this person is now asking for money for podcasts,
basically saying her, you know, her time is more valuable
than money. Can't get her time back, so she's charging.

(55:51):
But my thing is right, listen, listen. If that's the
way you want to go about about, you know, recouping this,
you want to be paid for your time whatever. My
thing about this says, I would never I would never
sit there and pay an athlete to just basically do
interviews like this. I've never done it. I haven't done
it in over the ten years I doing. My thing

(56:11):
is when I will say yes, I should pay you
for your time. Is if I'm asking you to leave
your house to come to an on site interview or
an on site event, then I will absolutely say, hey,
what what's your average hour two hour fee?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
If it's travel and time, I can see understanding, you know,
being a live show or something like that in person,
that I can understand. But if you really think that
highly of yourself that you just you being in your
house and you getting you Honestly, you guys don't get
enough credit because of what you guys do for us.
You guys put our name out there. You guys share

(56:48):
our stuff, like just like with my nonprofit and stuff
like that. That is I would never ask someone to
pay needs for my time. I know my worth and
I know that the people are to follow me because
of my worst, not because I'm asking to get paid
for an interview. To me, that's insane and that actually
shows me your worst. But that's just my personal opinion.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I'm gonna just leave it at this. This is probably
the third time in about ten years that I've had
an athlete ask for a service fee. I would say
it that way, and I will every time. I will
tell them, no, thank you, you know, wish you all
the best on your future endeavors. And I'm just not
going to cover you.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
You know, I've themselves in a long run.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Promoter, and from what I was told is this is
what her management team is providing her to to do
moving forward. Wish you all the best, you know. No,
no skin off my neck, you know. You know I
interviewed this person. In the past. I've had NFL Hall
of Famers, pro bowlers, I've had world champion boxers on

(57:57):
here from from you know, lower level to you know,
guys that have had movies done about them, et cetera.
They never asked for a fee.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
It's you know, it's you guys. Are you guys are
helping us? As well, So it's not it to me,
that's just crazy. I would never I just I think
it's a you know, you help each other out kind
of thing. It's kind of just like a with your sponsorships,
you know, yeah, you kind of you just help each
other out, and you're burning bridges. You're burning bridges doing that.

(58:31):
In my opinion, like these people are for the sport
and for the fighters in the sport, and you are
burning the bridges that are helping you to to make
that sport get bigger and better. So I just don't
I don't agree with it.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I don't agree with it either. Listen. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna sit there and bury this person an
even more than they already did. I purposely cut out
who it was, just so you know, whoever's coming across
it doesn't doesn't go and hoppen hopping this person's in
box and you know, give them a piece of their mind.
I don't agree with it. It's the way you want

(59:06):
to go about things that that that's your business. Wish
you all the best, you know, best of skill in
your upcoming fights. Other than that, like listen, I just
move on, like I've had debut. UFC fighters basically asked
me for the for a quarter of that. Former world
champion boxers like ask me for like one hundred dollars

(59:28):
service fee. I was like, listen, I can't. He's like, oh, well,
we can cut it down the fifty. Like listen, if
we're doing like doing something like I'm going to do
a giveaway and I'm sending you merchandise to be to
be signed and whatever, and you want to be that,
I can get that that aspect of it. When we're
just doing a straight interview, You're sitting at your home.
I'm not asking you to leave your house. I even

(59:48):
even more so when I ask a lot of the
athletes for interviews, I say, hey, if this time and
day doesn't work, let me know what your availability is
and will work out when you're free. When you're freed,
like now, I'm not sitting here asking you to go
outside of doing whatever. So it's like, was she the best? Yeah? Yeah,
hopefully hopefully you another one. I'm The funny part of

(01:00:10):
this is we'll see how how many interviews this person
is going to be doing moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah, I really think it's gonna hurt more than her help.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
But you know whatever. This is one of those times
where I have to say, you know, the stuff that
you're doing is probably going to hinder what you're trying
to do moving forward, especially if you're you're a young athlete.
So I hope what doubt her this person's manager is
has a good plan for her to be able to

(01:00:38):
hit that note and have have a list of of
of you know, high level podcaster to be able to
pay her service fee for thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I wouldn't doubt that her manager was the one that
tried to have her start talking to me, like talking
about me more and more. But it's like to me,
it's help wow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Like I said, I already say like this, I don't
think that'll ever happen. That you're never gonna have a
cross promotional thing, and neither are you gonna gonna gonna
go to another promotion. But anyone who between the line
to figure this out now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
But there's just no point, you know, there's no point
in talking. Just shut up. Stay in your lane, man,
Stay in your lane, staying your weight class day in
your lane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
I want to give you a chance to give your
your sponsors some loves. So I'm gonna run through a
few of the ones that you work through and kind
of give you a chance to kind of tell me
why you're while you're working with this company, how the
sponsorship came about, And let's start off with the fun
one first. You've recently started to work with the Iky
Energy Drink. Yes, I love my Obviously there's a so

(01:01:53):
the energy drinks is kind of the thing that everyone's
into into in the United States. Now, you're seeing all
new companies pop up. How do you connect with oron?
And then and and you guys started working on a sponsorship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
We've actually we Secrets, Hideaway Resource and SPA. That's also
another one that is my sponsor as well. They all
work together, so I Candy Parties, I Candy Energy Drinks.
They're all they We've been good friends for a very
long time, honestly, so when they started that, I was
definitely a game. I'm there for them for whatever. They've
been there for me since the start, so I'm there

(01:02:28):
for them. It's it's more of a friendship than anything
with them, and they're doing amazing things, so I'm all
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
If you had to recommend of one of the drinks
or flavors to somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Who I'm Candy. Definitely Catton Candy. It is the best.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I'm definitely what you caught in Candy is kind of
go to sing for meat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It's the best energy drink I've ever tasted. And I
don't drink them often because you know, I try to
just drink water mainly, but when I do need one, like,
that's where I go now. It used to be red Bull,
but they blew They blew Red Bull out of the water.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
In my opinion, red Bull needs to do something they
you know, they they have they First off, they've been
getting beaten over the head, handover foot by monster for
the better part of the last ten years. They haven't
changed their brain in any way, shape or form. It's
like these I don't know, if you got these old
men that are like have horse blinders on. They can't

(01:03:21):
see what's going on in the market around them. They
haven't changed the look of their brain. They haven't changed
the face of their brain. They still use the same
smaller cane than a lot of these canes a lot
of these energy companies use. So they're kind of stuck
in the place they are. If you ask my opinion,
monsters the the what you would aim to be at

(01:03:42):
this point point in time. I do see there's other
energy drinks that are out there. Obviously bkfc's been working
with Bucked Up and things of that nature. But obviously, uh,
Jessica's not grabbing them cans answer her fights.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
No, I mean they never came up to me, even
before I can the energy was even around. They never
came up to me for offering sponsorship. I know they
do for a lot of fighters, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I guess my opinion now, Uh, two more that that
I wanted to get for, you know, going through your
your socials, and I seen one we gotta get get
get going there, get gets left gets and then obviously
you made you made a little little post over the
last few days.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
It's been a hot mens since I did some clickbait,
but I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Whatever is going to get people to pay attention to
the initial post. What I mean is it's marketing these days, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
That people don't understand it's part of it. It's uh,
you know, if you're marketable, you gotta kind of get
something to grasp their attention.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Unfortunately, something they also made uh uh something with your
your your your knockout one right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
They did. That was awesome. They actually made a special
addition shirt and it was one hit. I wish I
had it right on me, but it's awesome. Special edition.
There's gonna be actually more that's gonna be posted and
it's gonna be special edition as well. So if you
guys want once in a lifetime shirt, you gotta get
on board when they're getting sold because they run out quick. Yeah.

(01:05:20):
I mean, but they're an amazing family. They really care,
like Tim Silva, Seaun Key's They're they're like they're like
brothers to me. I love them all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Tim's one what Tim's an interview I want to nail down.
You know, I've always been been a fan of Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Obviously I was. I was always a big Frank Mere guy,
loving the loving the jiu jitsu heavyweights.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
And you know when I came across Tim was was
was was that that fight? But you know, Tim has
been a one of the pioneers of MMA. Would love
to set up that view Tim's. Tim's an awesome dude.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
He's an awesome individual. Seriously, like him and Ben Rothwell
and Ed They're just they're good people. And I love
being around them because the energy is just awesome, Like
they're just good people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And and I think Ben was that the recent fighter tryout.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, Ben's awesome. He always brings the energy. Man, he's
he's just funny as hell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah. I mean, see, this is my my husband, so
I hope he's paying attention and he ain't stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
One hit club first female, k. There you go, one
hit club first female KO.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
So then and the last one I'm gonna get before
we do our traditional send off is as you've just
gotten another sponsor lined in there. And and h h
K A the gear company obviously for people don't know,
they're one of the best out there. They got they
got stuff for the fighters. Oh they got they got

(01:07:00):
slippers for the men too. So you guys are showing
on Nick Sampson some love there at HKS USA, one
of the best gear companies out there for combat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Not only that, like I will forever be a part
of them because of who Nick is. Nick is just
when I'm talking about good people, I'm surrounding myself with
the best of the best kind of people, with the
best kind of heart. Like he really cares and he
really shows he cares and I just I love being
and backing people like that. I will forever be a

(01:07:32):
HKA for something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah, I've been trying to work out something with Nick
could get him the sponsor the programming in the network
I'm doing. Unfortunately, like it was too late in the year.
Nick was like, hit me up beginning the next year
when we're gonna have some more money floating around to
do some type of sponsorship. So listen, I'll still show
Nick love regardless if he sponsored my program or not,
because of what he does for for for the athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, it's just the way he just who he is
as a person. He just really he's done a lot
and I really really appreciate him. He's been such a
great person with me and my husband. He talks to
us like, you know, like we're good friends. So I
love him. Yeah, but I also have, you know, all
my other sponsors that's been there since this did get go.
I have the Chiropractic Center of Lakeland. I have m

(01:08:17):
Mariah Associates. I mean, you know, with all the number
of injuries that I've had in my entire career, they
have been there from the start keeping me at my best.
So now I have new physical therapists for whenever I
need them, if they if I ever need them catalysts.
She's amazing. Jin is the owner and they have two
different locations in the Palm, harbur Ay and Clearwater. So

(01:08:38):
I love, love my people. I have so many people
behind me that are keeping me at my best.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
So that's the way you gotta do it that I
mean you at first, you know, you know, good good,
good team around you at home. I talk about it
all the time. Some of the best athletes of the
world have have have the you know, are married, the
best support systems.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
So that's what YEA, honestly, yes, the biggest support system
is definitely my family. But Team shift all the way
with you know, man, they're getting me. You can see
it in every fight since I've been with them, the
amount of gross and just everything that has come out
of me with them behind me. It's just I'm I

(01:09:24):
love my team. I love my coaches. They are incredible
when it comes to the sport and it's shown in
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
So listen, you know it starts at home, and then
you know you have you know, the second home to
kind of go and train with and have access to
to some of the better people that way. The sponsorship
is obviously something that helps you get through the training camps,
so you go, you know, you make other connections, you know,

(01:09:51):
through throughout life and stuff like that. And sometimes people,
I think the general public underestimates what the sponsorships actually
mean to you guys. Are not just uh, you know,
a logo on your on your ban or a logo
on your shirt, your shirts, your fight gear, whatever they're
They're of your family so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, yeah, definitely a lot more to me. I know
some people might not, but like they are to me.
They they are like family to me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
So as we get ready to wrap this one up, Jessica,
the traditional send off, you know, any any any last
words you'd like to send out to the to the fans,
to the listeners, you know, you know, any sponsors that
we that I didn't help you catch to give the love.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
To man, there's so many different Yeah, there's so many
more sponsors that I actually didn't I have even mentioned.
But they're just behind me and they they support me
every time they can, and I appreciate every little bit
of support I get. Even you guys with the interviews
having me here today, I would never ask for money.
So I really appreciate just the time that you guys

(01:10:58):
spend to get our name out there and the just
the effort you guys put in. It really means a lot.
You guys, stay tim though, because I will be having
a fight coming up very shortly, I think, so fingers
crossed for this one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, we're not dropping anyone to night. Obviously, there's a
there's an obvious uh name attachment we think is going
to happen. I think we all hope is going to
happen for multiple reasons. You know, I'm definitely in your
corner for this one, regardless of me trying to not
have a media bias. When we have crappy attitudes, it

(01:11:34):
makes it really easy to root for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Well that's what a lot of her fans actually came
to me after her viral moment, and yeah, they're like,
she lost a fan, you gained one because that was
just that was just disgusting. That was a disgusting display
of a human. I was like, I know, I don't
even That's why there's no reading point in saying anything,

(01:11:57):
because I'd rather have a mouthful of what she said,
I had it full, rather than a mouthful of ship.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Yeah, but here's the thing, anyone who know, like you,
even for people who are on your your your your
o F page, that's not what's out there on your
on your stuff. So she's inaccurate on every level of
what she's trying to say. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
And actually I am not even doing much with that anymore, so,
which is is like I'm kind of just kind of
going away from doing that. I just don't have time,
like I did it for fun, you know, I'm just
not not doing that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Really listen, you know obviously, you know, we we all
do what we do to kind of get ourselves out there.
But like like you said, you've kind of grown past
that that part of where your content goes as it
is anyways, you're in a different part in your life.
Yeah you have it, but still like you still have
have ways where you could still wind up being a

(01:12:52):
sponsored athlete through them without even doing any of that
stuff Chris athlete from them, And there is not a
single type of content like that on her peat.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
That's what I want to switch over to their platform
of it's uh, it's the athlete side, so it's it's
strictly just athletes on that side. So that's what I'm
gonna be doing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Well. Hopefully that you know that they can they can
put a real sponsorship package together for you guys, and
you guys can can do some real stuff that that way.
Hopefully then it gives gives, uh gives uh, you know,
the little Karen's a little less things to run their
mouths about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Yeah, that's honestly, I mean if you let that define someone,
that's crazy. To me. That shows your lack of intelligence
as well as just you don't you got your morals
mixed up? You know, if you if you define someone
over that, then that's on you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Well, I guess you probably have more than a hand
for personal daggers you could throw her way, but that's
just not who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Well, speaking of that, I have to say something though,
she's attacking Dave Mandel over being was she say broke
back Mountain or something like that? But then if anyone
is to ever say anything about her sexuality or her choices,
all shit is broke loose. It's just so funny and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Him, like I remember when I was still on her
pages and stuff like that, that she would openly try
to convert girls who were who weren't on team team
Team Gay to be there and openly try to sit
there and say, well, you know things that she would

(01:14:30):
do to get that person to be be on Team Gay.
It's just like listen, dude, like we are our own people.
Like what we do in our personal lives is exactly.
We talk about this all the time when we're talking
about larger level athletes. They are aligned. You don't cross.
There are some things that you can have your thoughts
about who someone is or how someone is that can

(01:14:54):
stay in between your ears and that's still how you feel,
but you don't have to sit there and lower yourself
to a level where you make you look like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
It's emotional maturity and she doesn't have it, so it is.
I mean, she just she's shown, she's shown who she is,
she's shown what kind of person she is. It's not
championing champion mentality in my opinion. But that's just my opinion.
Like you said, I could throw daggers her way to
but I don't see the point in it. I just
want to let the fighting speak for itself and let's

(01:15:23):
get in there and get it all sitiated.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
As you said, Sign the contract.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Yep, that's all I care. Just sign and stop talking.
Sign a contract, that's all I want to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm waiting for a contract to be sent to you
so so we can, uh, we can see who's who,
what's what, When's when's where? Now last one before we
let you go. She was talking about elevation and all
that stuff. Where you want to fight? Does it matter
where you fight? Fight at all? Do you like if
you had a preference right like right now, if someone
sit there and said said, Jessica, you're gonna have this fight,

(01:15:58):
but you can pick where it's going to be or whatever.
Is there anywhere you want to go? Is there somewhere
you would like to have it go? Let's just say, say,
for argument, both of your your your home states are
out of the equation. You know, kind of go where
where you know would be awesome. Whatever you like to
fight next.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Philly, Philly would be awesome. But you know, I really
don't care, Like I don't care. I will fight her anywhere.
I'd beat her, ask in her hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
I don't want to come to Philly so bad, and
make sure I know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
About this I want to be I definitely will let
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I mean, I mean, shoot, Dave's had three events and
you know, in what less than six months here yep,
So I'm down.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yep, And I mean they're looking it up Steves.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Steves let let his Philly flag flying the chat. Well,
I gotta say, is next time y' all call you
have to come see me this time?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Okay? Definitely definitely Other.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Than that, Jessica, It's always a genuine pleasure, you know,
talking to BS and you about about the combat sports
game and everything that goes on in between it. Any
parting shots before we took before we end this one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
No, thank you guys all for the support and love
and I appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I appreciate your yours as well, my friend. Other than that,
another fun one in the books, and uh, we will
catch up soon one way or another, my friend. All right,
we'll do all right, take care you too, all right? Everyone?
That was Jessica the Black Widow borga BKFC featherweight champion.

(01:17:42):
Nothing much else to said. We we uh we beat
that drump pretty well tonight obviously. Uh another fun interview,
always great catching up with are looking forward to the
potential matchup hopefully you know it does it does happen
right here here, back in Philadelphia, in my backyard, so
I'm able to kind of catch this one. Definitely don't

(01:18:02):
want to miss her coming announcement, So guys, make sure
you're following her on all the platforms you know, Facebook, YouTube,
Instagram and TikTok what whatever your social media platform or poisons.
Please go go fillow Jessica. It's real easy to find her.
It's either Jessica borga black widow one one of one
of the other acronyms above, other than that, another fun

(01:18:25):
one in the books. Here for me, we will be
I will be back on tomorrow a Professor and the
Pupil with Scott Morgan Roth. Then you know when Tuesdays
with Inside the Pigskin Wednesdays, it's gonna be me, It's
gonna be Ben Troup, and it's gonna be Vince Papali
is gonna be on with us. And I have another

(01:18:45):
special uh guest that can be joining us in the
second hour of Tuesdays or Wednesday's interview. Make sure you
guys are tuning in to see the who, the what,
the where, the when. Other than that, I'm Steve. This
was another episode of the real and the rare catch.
Later folks
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