August 2, 2023 • 52 mins
Jess and Seth talk about the main things coming out of training camp -- Budda Baker's new contract, Kyler Murray news and takeaways after a week of training camp
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This is the Rise Up Sea RedPodcast, all about the Arizona Cardinals and
the NFL, featuring insider and outsiderperspectives. Enjoy the best hour of Cardinals
talk on the web. Now Hereare your hosts, Jess Root and Seth
Cox. Hello Arizona Cardinals fans,and welcome to the latest edition of the
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Rise Up Sea Red Podcast. I'myour host Jefs Root from Cardswire dot com,
USA today's NFL wire site covering theArizona Cardinals. With me is my
co host Seth Cox from Revenge ofthe Birds dot Com, The sp Nation
Arizona Cardinals side and we are aweek indo training camp for the Arizona Cardinals.
This episode four hundred and forty eight. So we have some takeaways and
that's what we're gonna talk about inthis episode. Buddha Baker got a new
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deal. Takeaways what we've seen sofar, and and just a little bit
more of others type stick. KylerMurray addressed the media directly for the first
time this offseasons. We've got alittle bit of stuff to do. More
shows that we're gonna coming up,of course, but this is what we've
got in this one. Seth,How is everything going now that the in
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terms of our personal lives with thefootball work and the other work, it
feels like the crabs hitting the fan, not necessarily a bad way, but
in a good way because our kidsare the school works busy, you're coaching.
Yeah, yeah, it's just infootball is back for the NFL,
so content upon content upon content.Yeah, it's just busy and it's uh,
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you know, it's a fun timeof year. But like you said,
it's a lot of work and it'sa lot of you know, long
days and nights, and but youknow it's worth it's something. You know,
football for me especially, like issomething that is all consuming within my
life, you know, whether it'sit's being at my kids stuff or writing
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about it or or coaching it ortalking about it on here or on the
Original Draft Breakdown podcast, right,you know. So it's just it's just
NonStop and it's a lot of fun. It's something I really enjoy. So
you know, as long as theknights maybe or as long as the days
and nights are stuff like this makesit fun and you know, enjoyable to
do. And the college football seasonis coming upon us, and so you
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will have some it will. It'slike pre pre pre pre draft content coming
up as the college football season emerges. But before that, we've got Cardinals
in training camp. They reported aweek ago. We did our we did
our preview last week, but thebiggest news we didn't talk about it late
last week. We didn't get backon to get a figure out kind of
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a schedule to do the multiple shows. Buddha Baker no longer asking for a
trade. He gets a slightly newcontract. It's not an extension and it's
not a significant raise. It feelslike this was just what they needed and
why didn't they do this a longtime before? Now? If that's if
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this was the case, right,Yeah, that's a fair question. Um,
did I mean I don't always payattention to the media scrums? Did
anybody ask Monty that I didn't?I do not believe. So it's always
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interesting. It's always interesting because thatfeels like the first question, right,
like, hey, why didn't youguys just take care of this? And
not right because unless unless it camedown to hey, they they tried back
and forth like but this was likethe bare minimum. Yeah, that is
fair, like what if this waslike last minute, like hey, I
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just want this guaranteed, and theywere like, okay, we'll do that.
So, you know, I thought, you know, you look at
it, and it's something that youand I have talked about it quite a
bit. It's not that we wereanti paying Buddha. We're always always,
always on the side of players andgetting paid. Um. But what we
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were the question we were asking,I thought it was a fair one was,
um, you know, at whatvalue? What's the value? And
if he was asking and this wasyou know, all hearsay and nothing that
we you know, um no,nothing that actually was going on. If
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he was asking to become the highestpaid player or highest paid safety in the
NFL, then the answer was aneasy no, right Like it was just
like I guess it was fun havingBuddha baker well, and it sounds like
from what Buddha said I didn't goback through and listening to the entire thing,
is that Buddha really kept himself completelyseparate from his agent. He said,
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you handle it, and probably andhis agent probably said, don't do
anything voluntary. And it perhaps perhapskind of like Kyler's agent caused problems that
it was his agent that was fishingfor the big contract when now I know
through sources of sources, Buddha wasnot looking for a major race. Now
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there is there's some element to this, and we talked about it on this
show. Is the fact that,Okay, if you're gonna be in a
bad team, you're gonna go throughanother boot, rebound, rebuild. Then
I either want to be compensated fairly, I want to be paid more.
I could commit to me financially ortrade me so or I can win.
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But I knew through some some peoplewho actually spoke to Buddha, what Buddha
was really looking for. He waslooking for this year's guarantees. And what's
crazy, what was so hard aboutthat? Because we break down what the
Cardinals gave him. Three hundred thousanddollars in assigning bonus. That's nothing for
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signing bonuses. That's that's the typeof signing bonus they give like low end
free agents. They just guaranteed asalary this year now, and I've detailed
why that wasn't necessarily necessary, butit's a good peace of mind for Buddha.
There were protections in place already forBuddha when it came to that guaranteed
salary because the cards weren't gonna dohim dirty like that, there were there
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was no There was honestly no scenarioin which they would have cut him before
this season to have him lose outon all that money. That couldn't have
happened. Yes, that there's noway that would have happened. He gets
And that's just what felt silly aboutthe whole thing. And I get it
that, Like you want the actualand this isn't just a bidwill thing,
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Like you want the actual verbiage ona contract that in case God forbid something.
I mean, Tim, Tim Patrick, is that the kid um with
the Broncos that you know fought backfrom an acl injury and then blue as
Achilles the other day, Like youwant that because like you said, like
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and even in that center, guesswhat Buddha would because they would put them
on injured reserve. Well, andthat's money. And that's my point,
Like it wasn't I mean, itwasn't like they were gonna do them dirty
in anyway, Yeah, right,Like like that would have just especially because
it's a new regime, like theythey probably weren't going to be like,
oh Buddha, you know, willlet them clear injury waivers and then do
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a waived injury you know, orclear waivers or whatever it is, and
then you know, so I don'tknow, it just it felt weird from
both sides that it that it's happening. But to your point, you know,
I've said it a hundred times,that's David mullighetta or or having said
that's just his m But we're alsoseeing now and it's funny that people got
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on Kyler and Kyler because Kyler wasthe same way. Like Kyler had nothing
to do with any of it,Like he was, you know, in
the background and working out and doinghis stuff. Um that this is kind
of the new way that things arehappening. We're seeing it with Jonathan Taylor.
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Um, you know we saw wesaw it obviously with Lamar Jackson although
he didn't have an agent, youknow, he was doing it himself.
Um, you know, we sawit with DeAndre Hopkins. It's just this
is the new NFL. Things thatusually or used to be private even three
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or four years ago are now messy. And the forty nine ers are dealing
with it right now with Nick Bosaright like the cults are dealing with it
right now with Jonathan Taylor, likethese things that used to be like,
Oh, no big deal, that'snot happening anymore, and so it's just
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it's just sad that and I thinkyou and I are have been around enough,
have heard about the holdings with playersand heard about, you know,
all this stuff that was happening thatmaybe wasn't as publicized before that we're kind
of numb to it that the wholeBuddha thing for us the whole time was
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kind of like from both scenarios,both sides of it, we were kind
of like, I don't really understandwhat's the big deal, Like I don't
understand what's going on, Like theCardinals aren't going to screw you and not
compensate you if you get injured duringoffseason workouts or you know, participated off
season workouts or training camp. Andthen at the same point, you're like,
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why aren't you just guaranteeing his salaryfor the right I know there's the
element of the whole escrow thing andthat that's a stupid thing, but ultimately,
like they didn't give him a raise, he didn't get a raise,
he got this year salary, guaranteedhis salary next year doesn't change. He
gets three hundred thousand to sign,he gets four hundred thousand a workout pro
basically in senting him to be partof the off season program next year,
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kind of like what they've done didwith Kyler. Then they he can get
a five hundred thousand bonus each yearby being named an All Pro or to
the Pro Bowl. You know,he's been to the Pro Bowl each of
the last four years, so andthere's there's playing time and sense, so
there's per game roster bonuses both years. Basically he gets he gets seven hundred
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thousand dollars in new money just becausehe gets the signing bonus and the workout
bonus for next offseason. And thenyou get another million possible in in Pro
Bowl slash um all Pro nominations orselections, and then you get the games
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played, the per game active thing. There's I mean, nothing there,
but it gives Bootim more money.It guaranteed him and now he's happy that.
This just feels like and again,it just feels like sometimes and we
don't know Monty yet, so youknow, we can't get on Monty too
much, but it just feels likesometimes that um they try to do stuff
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in the way of like, oh, well, we're just not gonna deal
or do that right now, right, like, oh, we're just not
gonna We're not gonna do that.But like like last year's Kyler, they
just didn't want to. They didn'twant to do it that early, right
kind was like, no, wedon't want to set precedent for the car
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quarterback deal that early. But ifyou're gonna get to do the deal anyway,
why didn't matter when I know,And it's just such a thing.
I don't know. Sometimes it justfeels like I mean, and as as
married guys and as as fathers withwith multiple kids, sometimes it's that thing
of like there's just that stubbornness rightof like, oh, well they told
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me to do it, so I'mgonna do it. But I'm gonna do
it when an I want to,not when they asked me to, and
you're like you're like, really,we just can't like get this okay,
all right, all right, allright, but it's it's good. It
locks them up. Yeah, it'sit's done with um now we'll see about
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next year and it you know,for the Cardinal side, this was an
no brainer, like it didn't makeany sense to wait on this because you
didn't want to commit to anyone thatlong term, especially at that position.
Do you you just invested a littlebit now to back and mind you,
this was super important because it's toalso to back up the words that they
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had about Buddha Baker all off season. If they're gonna say how Buddha is
like the epitome one like if thishas been over and over and over again
multiple coaches, Manti Austin Ford.You can't be that glowing about a player
who is unhappy about his contract andthen not take care of him in some
way, because then that comes Thenthen it comes across his lip service like
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you're saying this, but you don'tbelieve it because you're not taking care of
me. Because that's that's really thenice words are nice, but when it
comes down to the NFL, theonly thing that really matters is the financial
compensation because guess what if the becausecontracts are non guaranteed for the most part,
like the second you are not worthexactly that you're gone. Is how
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that works unless unless you have theleverage in that situation, and now he's
got guarantees and maybe we're gonna havethis conversation again next offseason, but we'll
wait and see. We'll have towait and see with that. But it
just seems like it just seemed likea whole lot to do about nothing that
we always knew was going to resultin where being where we're at, and
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just took longer and more articles thanneeds to be written to get there.
Coming on next on the resips heredpodcasts, but our Cardinals talking on let's
talk about our early standouts and takeawaysfrom training camp after a week. That's
coming on next and resimes. Youread We're back on the rise of here
read podcasts of us our Cardinals talkingon the way. Well, we previewed
training camp. Now we have aweek of practices. The pads came on
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on Tuesday, so they had youknow, they had Wednesday through Saturday this
last week no pads. That wasthe ramping up period. They could have
put pads on on Monday after aday off. They chose to do a
slower paced one without pads two thenlead them up to the full contact.
It ramped up juice on Tuesday.You know, I was at training camp
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on Saturday. I'll be there againthis Saturday. The just the schedule that
I now have, that that I'vehad for the last ten years. It
meant my first job. I usedto be able to go to more,
but I'm unable to, and Iwish there were. It feels like each
year the information that comes out ofcamp from observation is less and less or
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less. Meeting Like I when Igo like to see the playing rotations,
who's getting the snaps and things likethat, as opposed to stand out plays,
because I know that Cardinals on Cardinals, a big play or a bad
play could be contributed on either way, and so I don't know what to
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think. It just it just makesit really difficult because you're great. Remember
Brandon Warriors, Remember Brandon Williams.He was a stud and he was terrible,
I will say kind of the onething that I that was surprising for
me was that the cornerback rotation hasbeen this everyone expected Marco Wilson, but
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are basically the number two and numberthree corners have been the rookie Kee Trail
Clark, the fifth round pick outof Louisville, sixth round pick, fifth
round pick, and then and thenChristian Matthew. That's for me, that's
been oh oh, because Matthew,who was a guy drafted not by this
regime, about this front office,not this coaching staff, and he's the
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one that's out there. So thatfor me, And while some people one
of my buddies is texting me Ithought I saw Matthew got cooked, I'm
like, I don't. I don'tknow about that. I don't. I
don't care that much about that basedon what I've seen, because it could
be for number of things, butthe fact that they that Matthew and Clark,
and we're getting to see it basedon we're not getting a lot of
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insight about what Jonathan Gannon thinks aboutIndie village players, but we can see
there's one player that he really has, really you can tell that he likes,
and that's Keetroll Clark based on thingshe said. Everything else, he
tries to keep it pretty vanilla.He can't help it with Clark. Yeah,
And I think there's two guys rightnow that have more than anyone really
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kind of stood out from a positiveperspective. And you and you know,
we can talk about everybody. Imean honestly, we always can. But
like Greg Dortch has again lived upto the hype and looks like a guy
that deserves to be getting a tonof playing time. But I tell you
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what, you know, we saidthis from the time they drafted him,
and I don't know if it's goingto change anytime soon. Michael Wilson is
a guy that just is different thanevery single receiver they have on the roster,
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and sometimes from a perspective, thatis a good thing in their opportunities,
but in this case, it's agood thing and that this dude is
just he just is like he lovesto play like he loves too, he
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loves to be physical, he lovesto get out there and compete, and
he's got a little nasty to him. He's not you know, he's not
the he's not the trash talk oflike a like a Tyreek Hill. But
he is very much a guy thatisn't afraid to let you know that he
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beat you or that that he madea play over you. And I think,
you know, with with the undersizeguys that this team has, that's
a really nice change up and fitfor this this roster, and it's something
I'm gonna be, you know,really interested to keep an eye on.
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Yeah, for sure, Um,I've been I've been interested. I've been
very intrigued by the fact where thatthe of all the stuff that they move
around, the one unit that's beenthe same all through training camp so far
through like the last two weeks ofthe off season program, is they have
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remained with the same five first teamlineman, which makes it all that does
is suggest that their starting line they'repretty set on. Um, where you've
got DJ Elijah Wilkinson yelled, thereal hold will Hernandez Paris Johnson. There's
I think there's one caveat I rollHoltz spot, I believe is the only
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one that has any sort of questionas to maybe he will did I did?
I see correctly that John Gaines wasgetting some snaps in the other day
as well. I did not seehim with first team, but he was.
Gaines was the number two setter.Gains is no number two set Yeah,
yeah, I should have. Sorry, let me clarify. He was
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getting snaps in while uh with McCoyon the side, like so not while
they were doing warm Yes. SoGaines has been their number two so that
has been the second team center andso he just gets he gets some work
in that way. So yes,yeah, okay, Okay, I just
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saw it. I saw it onthe Twitter the other day or the X.
I guess we call it now.I don't call it that. I
still call it Twitter. But yeah, so I saw that the other day
and I was like, huh,I wonder if it's like and so that's
the thing. And then you know, we talked about the sign pat alf
Line. I feel like he isexactly what we talked about, Like he
is the he's like, all right, fro Holt and games aren't ready,
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all right, I'll find you're in. Yeah. Well, and it is
interesting because the contract suggests that becauseit is it's a leag minimum deal,
he got a really small signing bonusand then he gets a sign he gets
a roster bonus for making the roster, and so they're a guy that he
looks like a guy like, okay, if we need him, it is
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in case. Yeah, And Ithink, like you said, the fact
that the offensive line has been thesame, it's something we've talked about before,
like obviously, if there's a key, glaring, struggling player, you
make the move, you make thechange, but this early, and especially
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at this juncture, so much ofit is based on continuity and getting to
know each other and the little idiosyncrasies. I mean, I can tell you
just from like a youth football perspectiveand a high school football perspective, like
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you would rather have five guys thatlove each other, trust each other,
and work very well together and foreach other, then you would have five
guys that are just like like,unless they are just like all Trent Williams
level, all pro type of guys. Like you need guys that that fight
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for each other and that trust eachother, and sometimes that out does the
like oh, well, you know, and I'm not picking on anybody,
but like, oh, Josh Jonesis probably more skilled than you know,
is it Elijah Wilkinson that left guardright now side the camps? Yeah,
you know, Josh Jones is moreskilled than Elijah Wilkinson. But like Humphries
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and Wilkinson and fro Hole might havea better rapport with each other. They
might they might be more in syncand in tune with one another and like,
and so then that'll make up forthe you know, the shortcomings.
And it's just something you know,we even saw it, what two years
ago when Rodney Huntson was first youknow, and they're winning all these games,
and those first four games before Rodneygot hurt, like they just they
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looked fantastic. And then Rodney gothurt, and all of a sudden,
it just became this It just becamethis thing. It was like there was
no continuity. Then Justin gets hurtagain and then you know, and it
just it just became a normal typeof thing. And so yeah, it's
just I mean, it's great tosee. And then obviously the elephant in
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the room. It's awesome that ParisJohnson's just part of it, right,
like right, so that's like thatthere's no question that he's been up there
and and yes, and there wasquestions and so and it's interesting because like
he's clearly because it beat him's JoshJones. They're not getting any first team
reps, right and so you know, he's the guy. And it's exciting
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to see that and be excited aboutit and stuff, and so you know,
that's a good thing. I think, you know, other guys that
have looked good. Obviously, itfeels like Isaiah Simmons is getting fit into
that that role, you know,as the kind of deep safety, which
is odd, but that athleticism andthe ability to be a big body back
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there and make plays on the ball, will you know, play well.
And I think I think it's kindof crazy what a veteran that knows a
defense so well can do. Justseeing Kaiser White, not even like the
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plays he's making, but just gettingguys in line and set up, like,
isn't it. This is like JordanHicks that first year right right where
they're just like, hey, thisis what we're supposed to be doing.
But Jordan Hicks didn't know the defense. That's the crazy crazy. But that's
just I mean, that's just linebackers. There's something we always talk about with
linebackers, like there's an innateness tothe position that outside of you know,
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playing playing quarterback that like you justcan't you know, that isn't doesn't go
with all the other positions, andyou can't train to do things. And
and you know, and White beinga guy that's obviously played in Gannon and
with Rallis. You know, it'sjust it's interesting to see. It's just
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been I'll say this too, andand you know, I'm interested to get
your opinion on it because we havenot talked about it. Um It's interesting
the way they're running the camp becauseit seems like, and I know this
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is the plan, but it seemslike, you know, they they love
going incredibly high tempo like today forinstance, and then really pulling the stick
back the next day and letting theguys you know, do everything and do
everything that they did the day before, just at you know, half speed
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or twenty five speed. And thenso they're still getting the reps, they're
still getting the mental side of things, and then they're doing you know,
and then on Thursday again they revit way back up there and they're like,
hey, go you know again,falls to the wall, go run
through a brick wall for me,and just it's an in because we haven't
ever seen that before, Like we'venever seen the throttling back, and like
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we've seen them take light days,nonpadditive, but like just the juxtaposition.
I'm interested, Like, obviously wehave no idea because it's the first camp,
but like, what right, butwhat's your like, what is your
feeling like? Because it feels likeand obviously it's first time, you know,
first year coaches, and there's thatbubbling excitement anyways, but it just
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feels overly different, And I don'twant anybody think I'm saying it negatively,
like it feels overly different in apositive way. You know what it's it's
allowing what it kind of is doing. It's I don't know if this is
like this another training camps, becausethe only training camps I've ever cared about
it than the Cardinals is what you'reguess what you're noticing so far? There
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aren't veteran days off so far,like quote McCoy had a light day,
uh and didn't throw the one day. But they're not giving vets just days
off. And I think the waythey're doing it even like is so they
they ramp it up and they justbring it to the intensity down so everyone's
getting the reps and they're still mindfulof body and health. And I won
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if if this is how much ofthis is rooted in health science, in
sports science and recovery with their newfootball Performance department there where you've got Buddy
Morris there more for recovery, andthen you've got all their other trainers and
such. But in what this andit creates that message because you know,
and with Bruce arians like there,Cliff Kingsbury is that their veterans would be
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they would they would slow roll thoseguys, slow roll them. Like Rodney
Hudson barely practiced. I mean,I know he was nursing and knee and
jury. They're trying to get himthrough, but fits sometime DJ didn't play
every practice every day. But whatwe're seeing is everyone who is healthy is
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practicing every day. And then justyou know, this way, you're still
mindful of the players bodies, whichI'm pretty sure the players will appreciate greatly,
and getting the number of reps thatyou need well. And it just
seems like, you know, eveneven uh markis brown, right, like
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he's he's a guy that's always kindof hurts the wrong word, but he's
always seems to be like nicked upand things like that. And he's in
the drills but you know, andor like when they're doing stuff, he's
in there doing the walkthroughs or thingslike that. You know, he may
not be go doing the full borestuff yet, but he's he's a part
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of it. And it's just likeit just feels, like you said,
like it's different. It's not justguys working on the side or or coming
out halfway through camp, a camppractice and and you know after rehabbing,
like, it's just I don't know, it just feels really different. Yeah,
it's I mean and again we'll see. Well yeah, for me,
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it's just it feels a little moreintentional. I don't no, Like,
yeah, there's there's something I wantto talk about when we get to the
Kyler Murray part. But it feelsincredibly in sync. Everything is in sync.
What's happening. But yeah, Ilike that. Um, Michael Wilson
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is like, now I've got aquestion for you. Is this Are you
worried about how Colton McCoy's looked intraining camp so far, because there's been
days he's looked Yeah, yeah,I mean it just doesn't look good.
Man Like, at the end ofthe day, it just does not look
good. He this is the question, and you know we're already kind of
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hearing the murmurs. What Greg Rosenthalwas like, there there's a what do
you say? How do you saythere's a non zero chance that Clayton Tune
could start Game one, which meansthat there's a chance. And I feel
like the McCoy resigning was it wasabout like, hey, we need a
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veteran in here, but I don'tthink it was like, well, he
was already under contract for this year, so he was resigned, yeah,
last offseason before, like he wassigned for two years. And then you
know, this was after Cliff andkind had gotten their five year extensions,
so they were counting on gonna bethere, right, And it's just,
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yeah, it just feels like thisis so different, and you know,
we'll see how this all works outbecause they're just it's just different this year.
And I don't I'm not sure.I'm not sure if that he's the
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guy, right, Like, Idon't know, man, It's just I'm
not worried because and I told thisbefore, you know what, I absolutely
do want to want any part ofClayton Tune playing quarterback before Kyler Murray gets
back. No part of that atall, honestly, I think. You
know, I don't care that CultMcCoy's looking bad right now. I don't,
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Well, I want to see whathappens in the preseason one and two.
Whether he's good right now honestly doesn'tmatter because they're still all learning the
offense well. And and two,I think the reality is we know what
and I think it's something that we'vetalked about one hundred times. We know
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what Cult McCoy is, Like,we know who Cult McCoy is. So
there's really not a whole lot ofquestions, right, Like, you know
what you're gonna get out of McCoy. So that becomes a question is is
there is going with the unknown ofClayton Tune a better choice than knowing what
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you're gonna get out of Cult McCoy, Even in a different office, it
doesn't matter, Like you're still gonnaget the same results. Like he's still
gonna be a guy that's you know, if he plays let's say four games,
he's gonna throw three touchdowns, he'sgonna throw four interceptions. Like that's
just you know, he's going tobe a guy that that completes sixty two
percent of his passes and and thatcan't you know, misses some some outside
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throws and make some throws down themiddle of the field where he can drive
the ball. Still that that you'relike, oh, he does have a
good army. You know, there'sjust it's just a little stuff like that,
Like we know who he is.And so that's that's what the question
becomes, is what what do youwant or are you willing to take the
unknown? Because that's thing. Weknow that a Colt McCoy led team can
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go one in three in those fourgames and have a you know, a
and it's not good by any means, but you know, a twenty third
to twenty fifth ranked offense. Whatwe don't know is if Clayton Tune can
even get to that level. Imean, people don't realize how hard it
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is to play in the NFL.They're just and and and to play like
a Clayton Tunes at quarterback against Washingtonand that defensive front, well, and
it's just every everybody goes, well, look at you know, they're always
gonna be like, well look atthe outlier, right, like look at
brock Purty. And you're like,yeah, look at brock Purty. But
like started playing mid season, right, that's a big that's a big part
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of it, right, it is, And that's just kind of what it
is. And you know, it'sjust it's just looking at all of this
and seeing how it goes. Andfor me, I'm comfortable either way because
I know what they're gonna get inuh, Cole McCoy and I'm fine with
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it, and I am you know, I always embrace the chaos and if
they want to, if they're likethey're like, hey, let's uh,
let's you know, get crazy withthis, You're like, all right,
man, Like the Cardinals are gonnabe the most interesting team in the league.
Like they may be awful, butthey're gonna be interesting. I think
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McCoy's even it's like, if it'sclose, I still go with McCoy personally
because I think he's got the rightmentality to steer the ship for Kyler's return.
While there will like if if ClaytonTune is even okay, there will
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be rumblings of yes, he's ourguy because because fanser's stupid, like we're
dumb one of the things, Likehe's he's yeah, then we'll start talking
about next year and training. He'dbe like it'd be like Davis Mills almost,
I think, right, And DavisMills did did some okay things.
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He's like Davis Mills or Gardner Minshewand and those were even guys that have
established themselves as being able to beproductive. Yeah, anything else of note
that that you can get you kindof take away from camp so far,
I don't I don't know if Iwould say that I noticed in my one
practice that I was there, thatyou could say that there are any particular
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individual standouts. Michael Wilson has stoodout, I know, um, and
and honestly, I like where MarcoWilson's heads at right now. Yeah,
and he's gonna be a good bigone, I should say, not good
one. It's just you know,it's it's gonna be interesting to see if
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those guys are coached up well byJonathan Gannon or what the plans. But
he looks you know, so far. Like you said, whether they look
good or not, it's not thequestion, right, Um, it's how
they're how they're progressing, and howthey're starting to fit in. And you
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know, I think I feel likeboth him and even Christian Matthew to an
extent, have have had really positivesteps so far. Yeah. Yeah.
Coming to next. On the Riceof Hered podcast Best Our Cardinals, talking
about let's wrap this show up,Kyler Murray talked to the media, Let's
let's let's kind of dive into someof what he said that's coming to next
and recips you read We're back onthe rise of screed podcasts or Cardinal's talking
a little. Kyler Murray addressed themedia, gave a lot of the things
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that we already heard. Um,it was, you know, partially because
there's been no games. Kyler waswas a good interview. Um, he
was more open. But there wasalso no loss that he's stinging about.
There was nobody asking about his videogames. There was there There was one
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interesting question and it was it wasfrom Doug Fronts and and and he he
wanted to kind of clarify something,and he said he didn't want to miss
quote him. And he talks aboutbeing more coachable, and Kyler's like,
who who WHOA I said, Isaid on the show, will continue to
be coachable. And so there wasjust there was a little bit of abating
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there. And it wasn't it wasn'tmalintend. It was trying to get that
out of the way. But therewere some really no one's kind of talked
about it yet. And I wasgonna write it because I was gonna go
back and listen to it. Therewere some really interesting conceptual things that that
Kyler said that suggests vastly different thingsabout two different coaching staffs over the last
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two years. Now. Obviously thewhole timetable not there. He's gonna come.
He's taken it one day at atime, which feels like the exact
opposite of what he said in FlightPlan, where the goal was obviously week
one and people took that and ranwith it. Of course, he wants
to come back and play week oneas a competitor, but he knows he's
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not going to come back till he'sready, So you know, he doesn't
know when that is. He doesn'tknow when he's gonna be able to start
playing football, doing football activities.You know, he rented to Joe Burrow.
He says he can't rush it,but when you know, you you'll
know. I was really intrigued thoughabout and I didn't get to ask him
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specifically. I wanted to and thatthere was enough enough I didn't get to
ask it. I wanted to askwhat were some different things that he wanted
to kind of compare the two coachingstaffs without bashing the previous one. But
there's one thing that's that stood outis that he's really really bought in to
this coaching staff because he said basicallyever he said, the communication and of
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expectations from top to bottom is perfect, and so there's no question about what
expectations are and like if like whenit comes to offensive concepts like you see,
you see this, look, youdo this, you do this,
you do this, and there's likea level of accountability for at every level
if you miss a block. Thishappens, if you know, and there
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is communication about what everyone's supposed todo. And it feels like that that
wasn't happening with Cliff Kingsbury, isthat there was a large disconnect organizationally from
top to bottom what was expected nowto some level. And we've said this
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that Cliff was one who felt,Okay, your professionals do your job or
will replace you. Gannon is processoriented and he said, no, everything
matters. And I thought about it. Says something and he said, like,
you know, he sounds a lotlike Steve Wilkes. He sounds a
lot like Steve Wilkes with perhaps alittle more buy in. I don't I'm
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not sure what it is, butSteve, yeah, but but but Wilkes
talked up like like players love himtoo. But he talked a lot kind
of the same thing. But thenWest to buy in, right, But
he's also had thing but success outsideof Arizona. So I mean, is
it really is it really just?I mean it might have been too too
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much, too soon for Wilkes andmaybe it will be for getting as well,
or maybe it won't. You know, it'd be something we'll watch.
But yeah, the process, theway things are going to see, Kyler's
excitement level being here is a completeone eighty from last year. And it's
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just the point where relationships sour,whether they're you know, in life and
in love, in business, whatever, it is, like, relationships sour.
And I think that was something thathappened in Arizona UM that doesn't just
get discussed very much. And wecan talk about and speculate on the root
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cause all day. The reality isthe relationship itself had hour and it just
it feels like that Kyler is embracingthe new relationships and they're embracing him back.
And like like you wrote about,you know, in in June or
May or whenever or no, no, it had to be in April,
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because that's right. Mike Florio saidit was a terrible thing for the coach
and GM not to be planning forthe draft. UM. When Oklahoma unveiled
his his heisman statue, you know, and how much that meant to Kyler.
And it was a dig without beinga dig at the old regime,
right like, because he never feltlike they had his back, like they
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talked a big game, but it'sa different thing when you're when you're when
you actually GM and guess what typeof reports are no longer coming out of
the organization, right, And soit's just, yeah, it's just,
you know, one of those situationswhere I think you're seeing a guy that
has matured as he needed to,but also is feeling like he's in a
(43:07):
in a better spot with coaches whoare willing to listen and have his input
but also push him in ways thatthe other other staff didn't. It almost
felt like, and I've watched alot of the like twenty nineteen to twenty
twenty two tape, it almost feltlike that they couldn't decide on how to
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move forward, and so both sideswere just kind of like, Okay,
we'll just do what we know itworks, and so they kind of just
went back to you know, thebasics, so to speak, or what
you know, what had worked before. And that's where you know, as
a coach, Cliff needed to evolveas a player or you know, as
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a player, Kyler needed to bepushed to evolve and it didn't happen,
and now you know, and theresults were the results, and now you're
moving forward from there. So it'llbe interesting to see if that plays on
the field or if it's just youknow, lip service. I've said this
a few times. I don't rememberif I've said it here on this show,
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but it's always felt like that.Cliff was almost like just happy to
have Kyler, Like he tried,like for since he was a teenager to
get Kyler to be his quarterback.That he was just like, Okay,
thank you Kyler for being here.Do you And Kyler's not that Like Kyler
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wants to be coached hard, hewants to be pushed. He wants to
have specific expectations for him. AndCliff was like, I'm just glad you're
here, Like you're great. Nowdo stuff, do stuff. Here's this
take it, it's yours. Gannon. Gannon is saying, this is what
you want. They have a specificplan for him to be ready be since
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he can't get physical reps. Hetalked about that. Kyler himself talked about
how he's going through checks and callsin the mirror with himself, like I
don't know if anyone else caught thatthat's homework, he's doing homework at home,
that he's doing that sort and thethings that they put in place,
and these are all things that thecoaches have established with him, and they've
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made it very clear what they wantout of him, and so this is
the plan, let's do this.The fact that they are pushing him is
exactly what he's needed. Like Cliffwasn't very good about holding people accountable like
he was. He wouldn't call playersout. That was never kind of his
thing his coaching staff and that thatwas too that was ended up being a
(45:51):
problem because they weren't winning. Whenyou have a veteran like and you want
the veterans to do it, butyour coach has to ablish that culture.
And again Thanganon does that. Andso like a guy misses a block,
Okay, he's going to get calledout. Bruce arians is really good about
that. They had the account accountabilityboard. It was like everybody's mental mistakes
and blown assignments was on display foreveryone to see, not to shame them,
(46:16):
but just to create a level ofaccountability to say, hey, your
mistakes matter to everyone on a team. And I just love kind of how
they're setting things up. I don'tknow. I hope it's successful and I
hope it doesn't go as badly becausethe way this is set up feels like
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if they get just a little bitof success, this is exactly what you
need to build long term success.Yeah. And it was one of those
things too that one of the biggestfaults of Cliff Kingsbury it's always going to
be and you said it, it'sthat he values relationships too much. It's
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funny, and I know Steve Wilkeswas in the middle, but it's funny
that they went from a coach whobasically utilized seventy five percent of the team
as or looked viewed them as,you know, replaceable commodities to a guy
(47:21):
in Cliff who didn't know how toseparate his his affinity for the players to
be able to coach them up oryou know, or you know, put
them in a position of of havingto be pushing things like that. And
it's it's just really interesting because itfeels like Gannon and again, this is
(47:45):
it's purely on two weeks of trainingcamp. It feels like Gannon has that
ability to find that sweet spot,to to be a guy who you know,
straddles that line a little bit better. And for a team that just
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desperately needs that, you know,they need they need their their best players
to feel emboldened to hold each otheraccountable and not feel like it's just a
free for all, which is kindof what it felt like under Cliff.
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And it's not you know, takingshots of Cliff or anything like that.
Like I said, it was.It was the best thing about him in
nineteen and twenty and it was theright coach at the right time, but
it ultimately what led to his downfallbecause unless it's unless you're winning, having
that mentality or treating players in thatmanner is not the best thing, right
(48:51):
Like, you have to you haveto be able to reel it back in
and hold them accountable. And oncethe you know, toothpaste was out of
the tube, so to speak,it was it was late. Right.
Yeah, It's just so interesting kindof the how Kyler's talking the way he
is. It feels like he's takinganother step forward, but at the same
(49:13):
time, he doesn't know when he'sgonna be back I'm I know I've been
saying week once not going to happen. I'm really interested to see is he
gonna come off pup before or ifthey're going to keep him on, had
him be out for four weeks,then get him practicing and they'd come back,
(49:34):
you know, And I've predicted aweek six return that that would that
kind of feels kind of like thesweet spot right now based on based on
current progress and you know, everythingthat he's doing, but he's taken it
one day at a time. Heopened up about like some of the things,
like the first time that he hadto have a trainer bend his knee
(49:54):
for him because he couldn't do it. Like there's I can tell you that's
a real thing. Like you're likethis as far as like I mean somebody
that's blown out their knee and haddone the rehab. Now mind you,
the rehab, the surgery, therehab, all of that's much better than
I did it when I did ittwenty years ago. But um, you
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know the fact that you literally havesomebody come over and they and and you're
like this is as far as Ican be in my knee, and they're
like, no, it's not here, and then they push it and you're
like, what are you doing?It's gonna snap in half. And then
you're like, oh, it can'tgo further, and and you know,
(50:37):
it's just one of those things thatyou're not you're just not used to.
And so yeah, it's just it'sgonna be interesting to see how he comes
along and and and what he lookslike and where he's at. But you
know, again, from everything we'veheard, it's been incredibly positive. Yeah,
so it's it's it continues to be. I can't wait till it gets
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back. Yeah, whatever that is. Whenever that is all right, let's
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This episode four hundred and forty eight. So we have some takeaways and
that's what we're gonna talk about inthis episode. Buddha Baker got a new
(00:57):
deal. Takeaways what we've seen sofar, and and just a little bit
more of others type stick. KylerMurray addressed the media directly for the first
time this offseasons. We've got alittle bit of stuff to do. More
shows that we're gonna coming up,of course, but this is what we've
got in this one. Seth,How is everything going now that the in
(01:19):
terms of our personal lives with thefootball work and the other work, it
feels like the crabs hitting the fan, not necessarily a bad way, but
in a good way because our kidsare the school works busy, you're coaching.
Yeah, yeah, it's just infootball is back for the NFL,
so content upon content upon content.Yeah, it's just busy and it's uh,
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you know, it's a fun timeof year. But like you said,
it's a lot of work and it'sa lot of you know, long
days and nights, and but youknow it's worth it's something. You know,
football for me especially, like issomething that is all consuming within my
life, you know, whether it'sit's being at my kids stuff or writing
(02:07):
about it or or coaching it ortalking about it on here or on the
Original Draft Breakdown podcast, right,you know. So it's just it's just
NonStop and it's a lot of fun. It's something I really enjoy. So
you know, as long as theknights maybe or as long as the days
and nights are stuff like this makesit fun and you know, enjoyable to
do. And the college football seasonis coming upon us, and so you
(02:29):
will have some it will. It'slike pre pre pre pre draft content coming
up as the college football season emerges. But before that, we've got Cardinals
in training camp. They reported aweek ago. We did our we did
our preview last week, but thebiggest news we didn't talk about it late
last week. We didn't get backon to get a figure out kind of
(02:51):
a schedule to do the multiple shows. Buddha Baker no longer asking for a
trade. He gets a slightly newcontract. It's not an extension and it's
not a significant raise. It feelslike this was just what they needed and
why didn't they do this a longtime before? Now? If that's if
(03:13):
this was the case, right,Yeah, that's a fair question. Um,
did I mean I don't always payattention to the media scrums? Did
anybody ask Monty that I didn't?I do not believe. So it's always
(03:34):
interesting. It's always interesting because thatfeels like the first question, right,
like, hey, why didn't youguys just take care of this? And
not right because unless unless it camedown to hey, they they tried back
and forth like but this was likethe bare minimum. Yeah, that is
fair, like what if this waslike last minute, like hey, I
(03:55):
just want this guaranteed, and theywere like, okay, we'll do that.
So, you know, I thought, you know, you look at
it, and it's something that youand I have talked about it quite a
bit. It's not that we wereanti paying Buddha. We're always always,
always on the side of players andgetting paid. Um. But what we
(04:21):
were the question we were asking,I thought it was a fair one was,
um, you know, at whatvalue? What's the value? And
if he was asking and this wasyou know, all hearsay and nothing that
we you know, um no,nothing that actually was going on. If
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he was asking to become the highestpaid player or highest paid safety in the
NFL, then the answer was aneasy no, right Like it was just
like I guess it was fun havingBuddha baker well, and it sounds like
from what Buddha said I didn't goback through and listening to the entire thing,
is that Buddha really kept himself completelyseparate from his agent. He said,
(05:11):
you handle it, and probably andhis agent probably said, don't do
anything voluntary. And it perhaps perhapskind of like Kyler's agent caused problems that
it was his agent that was fishingfor the big contract when now I know
through sources of sources, Buddha wasnot looking for a major race. Now
(05:38):
there is there's some element to this, and we talked about it on this
show. Is the fact that,Okay, if you're gonna be in a
bad team, you're gonna go throughanother boot, rebound, rebuild. Then
I either want to be compensated fairly, I want to be paid more.
I could commit to me financially ortrade me so or I can win.
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But I knew through some some peoplewho actually spoke to Buddha, what Buddha
was really looking for. He waslooking for this year's guarantees. And what's
crazy, what was so hard aboutthat? Because we break down what the
Cardinals gave him. Three hundred thousanddollars in assigning bonus. That's nothing for
(06:23):
signing bonuses. That's that's the typeof signing bonus they give like low end
free agents. They just guaranteed asalary this year now, and I've detailed
why that wasn't necessarily necessary, butit's a good peace of mind for Buddha.
There were protections in place already forBuddha when it came to that guaranteed
salary because the cards weren't gonna dohim dirty like that, there were there
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was no There was honestly no scenarioin which they would have cut him before
this season to have him lose outon all that money. That couldn't have
happened. Yes, that there's noway that would have happened. He gets
And that's just what felt silly aboutthe whole thing. And I get it
that, Like you want the actualand this isn't just a bidwill thing,
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Like you want the actual verbiage ona contract that in case God forbid something.
I mean, Tim, Tim Patrick, is that the kid um with
the Broncos that you know fought backfrom an acl injury and then blue as
Achilles the other day, Like youwant that because like you said, like
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and even in that center, guesswhat Buddha would because they would put them
on injured reserve. Well, andthat's money. And that's my point,
Like it wasn't I mean, itwasn't like they were gonna do them dirty
in anyway, Yeah, right,Like like that would have just especially because
it's a new regime, like theythey probably weren't going to be like,
oh Buddha, you know, willlet them clear injury waivers and then do
(07:54):
a waived injury you know, orclear waivers or whatever it is, and
then you know, so I don'tknow, it just it felt weird from
both sides that it that it's happening. But to your point, you know,
I've said it a hundred times,that's David mullighetta or or having said
that's just his m But we're alsoseeing now and it's funny that people got
(08:18):
on Kyler and Kyler because Kyler wasthe same way. Like Kyler had nothing
to do with any of it,Like he was, you know, in
the background and working out and doinghis stuff. Um that this is kind
of the new way that things arehappening. We're seeing it with Jonathan Taylor.
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Um, you know we saw wesaw it obviously with Lamar Jackson although
he didn't have an agent, youknow, he was doing it himself.
Um, you know, we sawit with DeAndre Hopkins. It's just this
is the new NFL. Things thatusually or used to be private even three
(09:01):
or four years ago are now messy. And the forty nine ers are dealing
with it right now with Nick Bosaright like the cults are dealing with it
right now with Jonathan Taylor, likethese things that used to be like,
Oh, no big deal, that'snot happening anymore, and so it's just
(09:22):
it's just sad that and I thinkyou and I are have been around enough,
have heard about the holdings with playersand heard about, you know,
all this stuff that was happening thatmaybe wasn't as publicized before that we're kind
of numb to it that the wholeBuddha thing for us the whole time was
(09:43):
kind of like from both scenarios,both sides of it, we were kind
of like, I don't really understandwhat's the big deal, Like I don't
understand what's going on, Like theCardinals aren't going to screw you and not
compensate you if you get injured duringoffseason workouts or you know, participated off
season workouts or training camp. Andthen at the same point, you're like,
(10:05):
why aren't you just guaranteeing his salaryfor the right I know there's the
element of the whole escrow thing andthat that's a stupid thing, but ultimately,
like they didn't give him a raise, he didn't get a raise,
he got this year salary, guaranteedhis salary next year doesn't change. He
gets three hundred thousand to sign,he gets four hundred thousand a workout pro
basically in senting him to be partof the off season program next year,
(10:28):
kind of like what they've done didwith Kyler. Then they he can get
a five hundred thousand bonus each yearby being named an All Pro or to
the Pro Bowl. You know,he's been to the Pro Bowl each of
the last four years, so andthere's there's playing time and sense, so
there's per game roster bonuses both years. Basically he gets he gets seven hundred
(10:54):
thousand dollars in new money just becausehe gets the signing bonus and the workout
bonus for next offseason. And thenyou get another million possible in in Pro
Bowl slash um all Pro nominations orselections, and then you get the games
(11:15):
played, the per game active thing. There's I mean, nothing there,
but it gives Bootim more money.It guaranteed him and now he's happy that.
This just feels like and again,it just feels like sometimes and we
don't know Monty yet, so youknow, we can't get on Monty too
much, but it just feels likesometimes that um they try to do stuff
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in the way of like, oh, well, we're just not gonna deal
or do that right now, right, like, oh, we're just not
gonna We're not gonna do that.But like like last year's Kyler, they
just didn't want to. They didn'twant to do it that early, right
kind was like, no, wedon't want to set precedent for the car
(12:01):
quarterback deal that early. But ifyou're gonna get to do the deal anyway,
why didn't matter when I know,And it's just such a thing.
I don't know. Sometimes it justfeels like I mean, and as as
married guys and as as fathers withwith multiple kids, sometimes it's that thing
of like there's just that stubbornness rightof like, oh, well they told
(12:28):
me to do it, so I'mgonna do it. But I'm gonna do
it when an I want to,not when they asked me to, and
you're like you're like, really,we just can't like get this okay,
all right, all right, allright, but it's it's good. It
locks them up. Yeah, it'sit's done with um now we'll see about
(12:48):
next year and it you know,for the Cardinal side, this was an
no brainer, like it didn't makeany sense to wait on this because you
didn't want to commit to anyone thatlong term, especially at that position.
Do you you just invested a littlebit now to back and mind you,
this was super important because it's toalso to back up the words that they
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had about Buddha Baker all off season. If they're gonna say how Buddha is
like the epitome one like if thishas been over and over and over again
multiple coaches, Manti Austin Ford.You can't be that glowing about a player
who is unhappy about his contract andthen not take care of him in some
way, because then that comes Thenthen it comes across his lip service like
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you're saying this, but you don'tbelieve it because you're not taking care of
me. Because that's that's really thenice words are nice, but when it
comes down to the NFL, theonly thing that really matters is the financial
compensation because guess what if the becausecontracts are non guaranteed for the most part,
like the second you are not worthexactly that you're gone. Is how
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that works unless unless you have theleverage in that situation, and now he's
got guarantees and maybe we're gonna havethis conversation again next offseason, but we'll
wait and see. We'll have towait and see with that. But it
just seems like it just seemed likea whole lot to do about nothing that
we always knew was going to resultin where being where we're at, and
(14:20):
just took longer and more articles thanneeds to be written to get there.
Coming on next on the resips heredpodcasts, but our Cardinals talking on let's
talk about our early standouts and takeawaysfrom training camp after a week. That's
coming on next and resimes. Youread We're back on the rise of here
read podcasts of us our Cardinals talkingon the way. Well, we previewed
training camp. Now we have aweek of practices. The pads came on
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on Tuesday, so they had youknow, they had Wednesday through Saturday this
last week no pads. That wasthe ramping up period. They could have
put pads on on Monday after aday off. They chose to do a
slower paced one without pads two thenlead them up to the full contact.
It ramped up juice on Tuesday.You know, I was at training camp
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on Saturday. I'll be there againthis Saturday. The just the schedule that
I now have, that that I'vehad for the last ten years. It
meant my first job. I usedto be able to go to more,
but I'm unable to, and Iwish there were. It feels like each
year the information that comes out ofcamp from observation is less and less or
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less. Meeting Like I when Igo like to see the playing rotations,
who's getting the snaps and things likethat, as opposed to stand out plays,
because I know that Cardinals on Cardinals, a big play or a bad
play could be contributed on either way, and so I don't know what to
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think. It just it just makesit really difficult because you're great. Remember
Brandon Warriors, Remember Brandon Williams.He was a stud and he was terrible,
I will say kind of the onething that I that was surprising for
me was that the cornerback rotation hasbeen this everyone expected Marco Wilson, but
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are basically the number two and numberthree corners have been the rookie Kee Trail
Clark, the fifth round pick outof Louisville, sixth round pick, fifth
round pick, and then and thenChristian Matthew. That's for me, that's
been oh oh, because Matthew,who was a guy drafted not by this
regime, about this front office,not this coaching staff, and he's the
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one that's out there. So thatfor me, And while some people one
of my buddies is texting me Ithought I saw Matthew got cooked, I'm
like, I don't. I don'tknow about that. I don't. I
don't care that much about that basedon what I've seen, because it could
be for number of things, butthe fact that they that Matthew and Clark,
and we're getting to see it basedon we're not getting a lot of
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insight about what Jonathan Gannon thinks aboutIndie village players, but we can see
there's one player that he really has, really you can tell that he likes,
and that's Keetroll Clark based on thingshe said. Everything else, he
tries to keep it pretty vanilla.He can't help it with Clark. Yeah,
And I think there's two guys rightnow that have more than anyone really
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kind of stood out from a positiveperspective. And you and you know,
we can talk about everybody. Imean honestly, we always can. But
like Greg Dortch has again lived upto the hype and looks like a guy
that deserves to be getting a tonof playing time. But I tell you
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what, you know, we saidthis from the time they drafted him,
and I don't know if it's goingto change anytime soon. Michael Wilson is
a guy that just is different thanevery single receiver they have on the roster,
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and sometimes from a perspective, thatis a good thing in their opportunities,
but in this case, it's agood thing and that this dude is
just he just is like he lovesto play like he loves too, he
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loves to be physical, he lovesto get out there and compete, and
he's got a little nasty to him. He's not you know, he's not
the he's not the trash talk oflike a like a Tyreek Hill. But
he is very much a guy thatisn't afraid to let you know that he
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beat you or that that he madea play over you. And I think,
you know, with with the undersizeguys that this team has, that's
a really nice change up and fitfor this this roster, and it's something
I'm gonna be, you know,really interested to keep an eye on.
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Yeah, for sure, Um,I've been I've been interested. I've been
very intrigued by the fact where thatthe of all the stuff that they move
around, the one unit that's beenthe same all through training camp so far
through like the last two weeks ofthe off season program, is they have
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remained with the same five first teamlineman, which makes it all that does
is suggest that their starting line they'repretty set on. Um, where you've
got DJ Elijah Wilkinson yelled, thereal hold will Hernandez Paris Johnson. There's
I think there's one caveat I rollHoltz spot, I believe is the only
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one that has any sort of questionas to maybe he will did I did?
I see correctly that John Gaines wasgetting some snaps in the other day
as well. I did not seehim with first team, but he was.
Gaines was the number two setter.Gains is no number two set Yeah,
yeah, I should have. Sorry, let me clarify. He was
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getting snaps in while uh with McCoyon the side, like so not while
they were doing warm Yes. SoGaines has been their number two so that
has been the second team center andso he just gets he gets some work
in that way. So yes,yeah, okay, Okay, I just
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saw it. I saw it onthe Twitter the other day or the X.
I guess we call it now.I don't call it that. I
still call it Twitter. But yeah, so I saw that the other day
and I was like, huh,I wonder if it's like and so that's
the thing. And then you know, we talked about the sign pat alf
Line. I feel like he isexactly what we talked about, Like he
is the he's like, all right, fro Holt and games aren't ready,
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all right, I'll find you're in. Yeah. Well, and it is
interesting because the contract suggests that becauseit is it's a leag minimum deal,
he got a really small signing bonusand then he gets a sign he gets
a roster bonus for making the roster, and so they're a guy that he
looks like a guy like, okay, if we need him, it is
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in case. Yeah, And Ithink, like you said, the fact
that the offensive line has been thesame, it's something we've talked about before,
like obviously, if there's a key, glaring, struggling player, you
make the move, you make thechange, but this early, and especially
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at this juncture, so much ofit is based on continuity and getting to
know each other and the little idiosyncrasies. I mean, I can tell you
just from like a youth football perspectiveand a high school football perspective, like
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you would rather have five guys thatlove each other, trust each other,
and work very well together and foreach other, then you would have five
guys that are just like like,unless they are just like all Trent Williams
level, all pro type of guys. Like you need guys that that fight
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for each other and that trust eachother, and sometimes that out does the
like oh, well, you know, and I'm not picking on anybody,
but like, oh, Josh Jonesis probably more skilled than you know,
is it Elijah Wilkinson that left guardright now side the camps? Yeah,
you know, Josh Jones is moreskilled than Elijah Wilkinson. But like Humphries
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and Wilkinson and fro Hole might havea better rapport with each other. They
might they might be more in syncand in tune with one another and like,
and so then that'll make up forthe you know, the shortcomings.
And it's just something you know,we even saw it, what two years
ago when Rodney Huntson was first youknow, and they're winning all these games,
and those first four games before Rodneygot hurt, like they just they
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looked fantastic. And then Rodney gothurt, and all of a sudden,
it just became this It just becamethis thing. It was like there was
no continuity. Then Justin gets hurtagain and then you know, and it
just it just became a normal typeof thing. And so yeah, it's
just I mean, it's great tosee. And then obviously the elephant in
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the room. It's awesome that ParisJohnson's just part of it, right,
like right, so that's like thatthere's no question that he's been up there
and and yes, and there wasquestions and so and it's interesting because like
he's clearly because it beat him's JoshJones. They're not getting any first team
reps, right and so you know, he's the guy. And it's exciting
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to see that and be excited aboutit and stuff, and so you know,
that's a good thing. I think, you know, other guys that
have looked good. Obviously, itfeels like Isaiah Simmons is getting fit into
that that role, you know,as the kind of deep safety, which
is odd, but that athleticism andthe ability to be a big body back
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there and make plays on the ball, will you know, play well.
And I think I think it's kindof crazy what a veteran that knows a
defense so well can do. Justseeing Kaiser White, not even like the
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plays he's making, but just gettingguys in line and set up, like,
isn't it. This is like JordanHicks that first year right right where
they're just like, hey, thisis what we're supposed to be doing.
But Jordan Hicks didn't know the defense. That's the crazy crazy. But that's
just I mean, that's just linebackers. There's something we always talk about with
linebackers, like there's an innateness tothe position that outside of you know,
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playing playing quarterback that like you justcan't you know, that isn't doesn't go
with all the other positions, andyou can't train to do things. And
and you know, and White beinga guy that's obviously played in Gannon and
with Rallis. You know, it'sjust it's interesting to see. It's just
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been I'll say this too, andand you know, I'm interested to get
your opinion on it because we havenot talked about it. Um It's interesting
the way they're running the camp becauseit seems like, and I know this
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is the plan, but it seemslike, you know, they they love
going incredibly high tempo like today forinstance, and then really pulling the stick
back the next day and letting theguys you know, do everything and do
everything that they did the day before, just at you know, half speed
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or twenty five speed. And thenso they're still getting the reps, they're
still getting the mental side of things, and then they're doing you know,
and then on Thursday again they revit way back up there and they're like,
hey, go you know again,falls to the wall, go run
through a brick wall for me,and just it's an in because we haven't
ever seen that before, Like we'venever seen the throttling back, and like
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we've seen them take light days,nonpadditive, but like just the juxtaposition.
I'm interested, Like, obviously wehave no idea because it's the first camp,
but like, what right, butwhat's your like, what is your
feeling like? Because it feels likeand obviously it's first time, you know,
first year coaches, and there's thatbubbling excitement anyways, but it just
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feels overly different, And I don'twant anybody think I'm saying it negatively,
like it feels overly different in apositive way. You know what it's it's
allowing what it kind of is doing. It's I don't know if this is
like this another training camps, becausethe only training camps I've ever cared about
it than the Cardinals is what you'reguess what you're noticing so far? There
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aren't veteran days off so far,like quote McCoy had a light day,
uh and didn't throw the one day. But they're not giving vets just days
off. And I think the waythey're doing it even like is so they
they ramp it up and they justbring it to the intensity down so everyone's
getting the reps and they're still mindfulof body and health. And I won
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if if this is how much ofthis is rooted in health science, in
sports science and recovery with their newfootball Performance department there where you've got Buddy
Morris there more for recovery, andthen you've got all their other trainers and
such. But in what this andit creates that message because you know,
and with Bruce arians like there,Cliff Kingsbury is that their veterans would be
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they would they would slow roll thoseguys, slow roll them. Like Rodney
Hudson barely practiced. I mean,I know he was nursing and knee and
jury. They're trying to get himthrough, but fits sometime DJ didn't play
every practice every day. But whatwe're seeing is everyone who is healthy is
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practicing every day. And then justyou know, this way, you're still
mindful of the players bodies, whichI'm pretty sure the players will appreciate greatly,
and getting the number of reps thatyou need well. And it just
seems like, you know, eveneven uh markis brown, right, like
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he's he's a guy that's always kindof hurts the wrong word, but he's
always seems to be like nicked upand things like that. And he's in
the drills but you know, andor like when they're doing stuff, he's
in there doing the walkthroughs or thingslike that. You know, he may
not be go doing the full borestuff yet, but he's he's a part
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of it. And it's just likeit just feels, like you said,
like it's different. It's not justguys working on the side or or coming
out halfway through camp, a camppractice and and you know after rehabbing,
like, it's just I don't know, it just feels really different. Yeah,
it's I mean and again we'll see. Well yeah, for me,
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it's just it feels a little moreintentional. I don't no, Like,
yeah, there's there's something I wantto talk about when we get to the
Kyler Murray part. But it feelsincredibly in sync. Everything is in sync.
What's happening. But yeah, Ilike that. Um, Michael Wilson
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is like, now I've got aquestion for you. Is this Are you
worried about how Colton McCoy's looked intraining camp so far, because there's been
days he's looked Yeah, yeah,I mean it just doesn't look good.
Man Like, at the end ofthe day, it just does not look
good. He this is the question, and you know we're already kind of
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hearing the murmurs. What Greg Rosenthalwas like, there there's a what do
you say? How do you saythere's a non zero chance that Clayton Tune
could start Game one, which meansthat there's a chance. And I feel
like the McCoy resigning was it wasabout like, hey, we need a
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veteran in here, but I don'tthink it was like, well, he
was already under contract for this year, so he was resigned, yeah,
last offseason before, like he wassigned for two years. And then you
know, this was after Cliff andkind had gotten their five year extensions,
so they were counting on gonna bethere, right, And it's just,
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yeah, it just feels like thisis so different, and you know,
we'll see how this all works outbecause they're just it's just different this year.
And I don't I'm not sure.I'm not sure if that he's the
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guy, right, Like, Idon't know, man, It's just I'm
not worried because and I told thisbefore, you know what, I absolutely
do want to want any part ofClayton Tune playing quarterback before Kyler Murray gets
back. No part of that atall, honestly, I think. You
know, I don't care that CultMcCoy's looking bad right now. I don't,
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Well, I want to see whathappens in the preseason one and two.
Whether he's good right now honestly doesn'tmatter because they're still all learning the
offense well. And and two,I think the reality is we know what
and I think it's something that we'vetalked about one hundred times. We know
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what Cult McCoy is, Like,we know who Cult McCoy is. So
there's really not a whole lot ofquestions, right, Like, you know
what you're gonna get out of McCoy. So that becomes a question is is
there is going with the unknown ofClayton Tune a better choice than knowing what
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you're gonna get out of Cult McCoy, Even in a different office, it
doesn't matter, Like you're still gonnaget the same results. Like he's still
gonna be a guy that's you know, if he plays let's say four games,
he's gonna throw three touchdowns, he'sgonna throw four interceptions. Like that's
just you know, he's going tobe a guy that that completes sixty two
percent of his passes and and thatcan't you know, misses some some outside
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throws and make some throws down themiddle of the field where he can drive
the ball. Still that that you'relike, oh, he does have a
good army. You know, there'sjust it's just a little stuff like that,
Like we know who he is.And so that's that's what the question
becomes, is what what do youwant or are you willing to take the
unknown? Because that's thing. Weknow that a Colt McCoy led team can
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go one in three in those fourgames and have a you know, a
and it's not good by any means, but you know, a twenty third
to twenty fifth ranked offense. Whatwe don't know is if Clayton Tune can
even get to that level. Imean, people don't realize how hard it
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is to play in the NFL.They're just and and and to play like
a Clayton Tunes at quarterback against Washingtonand that defensive front, well, and
it's just every everybody goes, well, look at you know, they're always
gonna be like, well look atthe outlier, right, like look at
brock Purty. And you're like,yeah, look at brock Purty. But
like started playing mid season, right, that's a big that's a big part
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of it, right, it is, And that's just kind of what it
is. And you know, it'sjust it's just looking at all of this
and seeing how it goes. Andfor me, I'm comfortable either way because
I know what they're gonna get inuh, Cole McCoy and I'm fine with
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it, and I am you know, I always embrace the chaos and if
they want to, if they're likethey're like, hey, let's uh,
let's you know, get crazy withthis, You're like, all right,
man, Like the Cardinals are gonnabe the most interesting team in the league.
Like they may be awful, butthey're gonna be interesting. I think
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McCoy's even it's like, if it'sclose, I still go with McCoy personally
because I think he's got the rightmentality to steer the ship for Kyler's return.
While there will like if if ClaytonTune is even okay, there will
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be rumblings of yes, he's ourguy because because fanser's stupid, like we're
dumb one of the things, Likehe's he's yeah, then we'll start talking
about next year and training. He'dbe like it'd be like Davis Mills almost,
I think, right, And DavisMills did did some okay things.
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He's like Davis Mills or Gardner Minshewand and those were even guys that have
established themselves as being able to beproductive. Yeah, anything else of note
that that you can get you kindof take away from camp so far,
I don't I don't know if Iwould say that I noticed in my one
practice that I was there, thatyou could say that there are any particular
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individual standouts. Michael Wilson has stoodout, I know, um, and
and honestly, I like where MarcoWilson's heads at right now. Yeah,
and he's gonna be a good bigone, I should say, not good
one. It's just you know,it's it's gonna be interesting to see if
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those guys are coached up well byJonathan Gannon or what the plans. But
he looks you know, so far. Like you said, whether they look
good or not, it's not thequestion, right, Um, it's how
they're how they're progressing, and howthey're starting to fit in. And you
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know, I think I feel likeboth him and even Christian Matthew to an
extent, have have had really positivesteps so far. Yeah. Yeah.
Coming to next. On the Riceof Hered podcast Best Our Cardinals, talking
about let's wrap this show up,Kyler Murray talked to the media, Let's
let's let's kind of dive into someof what he said that's coming to next
and recips you read We're back onthe rise of screed podcasts or Cardinal's talking
a little. Kyler Murray addressed themedia, gave a lot of the things
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that we already heard. Um,it was, you know, partially because
there's been no games. Kyler waswas a good interview. Um, he
was more open. But there wasalso no loss that he's stinging about.
There was nobody asking about his videogames. There was there There was one
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interesting question and it was it wasfrom Doug Fronts and and and he he
wanted to kind of clarify something,and he said he didn't want to miss
quote him. And he talks aboutbeing more coachable, and Kyler's like,
who who WHOA I said, Isaid on the show, will continue to
be coachable. And so there wasjust there was a little bit of abating
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there. And it wasn't it wasn'tmalintend. It was trying to get that
out of the way. But therewere some really no one's kind of talked
about it yet. And I wasgonna write it because I was gonna go
back and listen to it. Therewere some really interesting conceptual things that that
Kyler said that suggests vastly different thingsabout two different coaching staffs over the last
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two years. Now. Obviously thewhole timetable not there. He's gonna come.
He's taken it one day at atime, which feels like the exact
opposite of what he said in FlightPlan, where the goal was obviously week
one and people took that and ranwith it. Of course, he wants
to come back and play week oneas a competitor, but he knows he's
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not going to come back till he'sready, So you know, he doesn't
know when that is. He doesn'tknow when he's gonna be able to start
playing football, doing football activities.You know, he rented to Joe Burrow.
He says he can't rush it,but when you know, you you'll
know. I was really intrigued thoughabout and I didn't get to ask him
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specifically. I wanted to and thatthere was enough enough I didn't get to
ask it. I wanted to askwhat were some different things that he wanted
to kind of compare the two coachingstaffs without bashing the previous one. But
there's one thing that's that stood outis that he's really really bought in to
this coaching staff because he said basicallyever he said, the communication and of
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expectations from top to bottom is perfect, and so there's no question about what
expectations are and like if like whenit comes to offensive concepts like you see,
you see this, look, youdo this, you do this,
you do this, and there's likea level of accountability for at every level
if you miss a block. Thishappens, if you know, and there
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is communication about what everyone's supposed todo. And it feels like that that
wasn't happening with Cliff Kingsbury, isthat there was a large disconnect organizationally from
top to bottom what was expected nowto some level. And we've said this
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that Cliff was one who felt,Okay, your professionals do your job or
will replace you. Gannon is processoriented and he said, no, everything
matters. And I thought about it. Says something and he said, like,
you know, he sounds a lotlike Steve Wilkes. He sounds a
lot like Steve Wilkes with perhaps alittle more buy in. I don't I'm
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not sure what it is, butSteve, yeah, but but but Wilkes
talked up like like players love himtoo. But he talked a lot kind
of the same thing. But thenWest to buy in, right, But
he's also had thing but success outsideof Arizona. So I mean, is
it really is it really just?I mean it might have been too too
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much, too soon for Wilkes andmaybe it will be for getting as well,
or maybe it won't. You know, it'd be something we'll watch.
But yeah, the process, theway things are going to see, Kyler's
excitement level being here is a completeone eighty from last year. And it's
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just the point where relationships sour,whether they're you know, in life and
in love, in business, whatever, it is, like, relationships sour.
And I think that was something thathappened in Arizona UM that doesn't just
get discussed very much. And wecan talk about and speculate on the root
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cause all day. The reality isthe relationship itself had hour and it just
it feels like that Kyler is embracingthe new relationships and they're embracing him back.
And like like you wrote about,you know, in in June or
May or whenever or no, no, it had to be in April,
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because that's right. Mike Florio saidit was a terrible thing for the coach
and GM not to be planning forthe draft. UM. When Oklahoma unveiled
his his heisman statue, you know, and how much that meant to Kyler.
And it was a dig without beinga dig at the old regime,
right like, because he never feltlike they had his back, like they
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talked a big game, but it'sa different thing when you're when you're when
you actually GM and guess what typeof reports are no longer coming out of
the organization, right, And soit's just, yeah, it's just,
you know, one of those situationswhere I think you're seeing a guy that
has matured as he needed to,but also is feeling like he's in a
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in a better spot with coaches whoare willing to listen and have his input
but also push him in ways thatthe other other staff didn't. It almost
felt like, and I've watched alot of the like twenty nineteen to twenty
twenty two tape, it almost feltlike that they couldn't decide on how to
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move forward, and so both sideswere just kind of like, Okay,
we'll just do what we know itworks, and so they kind of just
went back to you know, thebasics, so to speak, or what
you know, what had worked before. And that's where you know, as
a coach, Cliff needed to evolveas a player or you know, as
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a player, Kyler needed to bepushed to evolve and it didn't happen,
and now you know, and theresults were the results, and now you're
moving forward from there. So it'llbe interesting to see if that plays on
the field or if it's just youknow, lip service. I've said this
a few times. I don't rememberif I've said it here on this show,
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but it's always felt like that.Cliff was almost like just happy to
have Kyler, Like he tried,like for since he was a teenager to
get Kyler to be his quarterback.That he was just like, Okay,
thank you Kyler for being here.Do you And Kyler's not that Like Kyler
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wants to be coached hard, hewants to be pushed. He wants to
have specific expectations for him. AndCliff was like, I'm just glad you're
here, Like you're great. Nowdo stuff, do stuff. Here's this
take it, it's yours. Gannon. Gannon is saying, this is what
you want. They have a specificplan for him to be ready be since
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he can't get physical reps. Hetalked about that. Kyler himself talked about
how he's going through checks and callsin the mirror with himself, like I
don't know if anyone else caught thatthat's homework, he's doing homework at home,
that he's doing that sort and thethings that they put in place,
and these are all things that thecoaches have established with him, and they've
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made it very clear what they wantout of him, and so this is
the plan, let's do this.The fact that they are pushing him is
exactly what he's needed. Like Cliffwasn't very good about holding people accountable like
he was. He wouldn't call playersout. That was never kind of his
thing his coaching staff and that thatwas too that was ended up being a
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problem because they weren't winning. Whenyou have a veteran like and you want
the veterans to do it, butyour coach has to ablish that culture.
And again Thanganon does that. Andso like a guy misses a block,
Okay, he's going to get calledout. Bruce arians is really good about
that. They had the account accountabilityboard. It was like everybody's mental mistakes
and blown assignments was on display foreveryone to see, not to shame them,
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but just to create a level ofaccountability to say, hey, your
mistakes matter to everyone on a team. And I just love kind of how
they're setting things up. I don'tknow. I hope it's successful and I
hope it doesn't go as badly becausethe way this is set up feels like
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if they get just a little bitof success, this is exactly what you
need to build long term success.Yeah. And it was one of those
things too that one of the biggestfaults of Cliff Kingsbury it's always going to
be and you said it, it'sthat he values relationships too much. It's
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funny, and I know Steve Wilkeswas in the middle, but it's funny
that they went from a coach whobasically utilized seventy five percent of the team
as or looked viewed them as,you know, replaceable commodities to a guy
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in Cliff who didn't know how toseparate his his affinity for the players to
be able to coach them up oryou know, or you know, put
them in a position of of havingto be pushing things like that. And
it's it's just really interesting because itfeels like Gannon and again, this is
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it's purely on two weeks of trainingcamp. It feels like Gannon has that
ability to find that sweet spot,to to be a guy who you know,
straddles that line a little bit better. And for a team that just
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desperately needs that, you know,they need they need their their best players
to feel emboldened to hold each otheraccountable and not feel like it's just a
free for all, which is kindof what it felt like under Cliff.
(48:28):
And it's not you know, takingshots of Cliff or anything like that.
Like I said, it was.It was the best thing about him in
nineteen and twenty and it was theright coach at the right time, but
it ultimately what led to his downfallbecause unless it's unless you're winning, having
that mentality or treating players in thatmanner is not the best thing, right
(48:51):
Like, you have to you haveto be able to reel it back in
and hold them accountable. And oncethe you know, toothpaste was out of
the tube, so to speak,it was it was late. Right.
Yeah, It's just so interesting kindof the how Kyler's talking the way he
is. It feels like he's takinganother step forward, but at the same
(49:13):
time, he doesn't know when he'sgonna be back I'm I know I've been
saying week once not going to happen. I'm really interested to see is he
gonna come off pup before or ifthey're going to keep him on, had
him be out for four weeks,then get him practicing and they'd come back,
(49:34):
you know, And I've predicted aweek six return that that would that
kind of feels kind of like thesweet spot right now based on based on
current progress and you know, everythingthat he's doing, but he's taken it
one day at a time. Heopened up about like some of the things,
like the first time that he hadto have a trainer bend his knee
(49:54):
for him because he couldn't do it. Like there's I can tell you that's
a real thing. Like you're likethis as far as like I mean somebody
that's blown out their knee and haddone the rehab. Now mind you,
the rehab, the surgery, therehab, all of that's much better than
I did it when I did ittwenty years ago. But um, you
(50:15):
know the fact that you literally havesomebody come over and they and and you're
like this is as far as Ican be in my knee, and they're
like, no, it's not here, and then they push it and you're
like, what are you doing?It's gonna snap in half. And then
you're like, oh, it can'tgo further, and and you know,
(50:37):
it's just one of those things thatyou're not you're just not used to.
And so yeah, it's just it'sgonna be interesting to see how he comes
along and and and what he lookslike and where he's at. But you
know, again, from everything we'veheard, it's been incredibly positive. Yeah,
so it's it's it continues to be. I can't wait till it gets
(51:00):
back. Yeah, whatever that is. Whenever that is all right, let's
let's wrap this up this edition toRise ups Here at Podcast bets our Cardinal
Stockholm up this episode full forty eightthat Seth Cox, I'm just root.
Maybe we'll have another one. Wegot to get back in the groove of
doing these, whether it's just me, whether it's Seth, whether's bringing something
else. I'm gonna try and getwell. Probably I can probably record a
(51:22):
show on Thursday, whether you canget Seth. Because one thing we haven't
done. We haven't done our ourdivisional ranking show this year yet, so
we need to do that at somepoint so so we'll figure out out out.
That's seth Cox. I'm Jess Route. This is Rise ups here at
podcast. Thanks for listening. Asalways, thanks for listening to the latest
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