September 3, 2025 • 57 mins
The Arizona Cardinals are about to start their season, as they play the Saints in Week 1. With no game to review from the weekend, Jess and Seth give their season preview.
They discuss expectations and what will make the season a success. We talk about what Kyler murray needs to do. We give our season predictions and go over what we believe the floor and ceiling for the team are. Lastly, we make some statistical projections for the Cardinals players on offense and defense.
They discuss expectations and what will make the season a success. We talk about what Kyler murray needs to do. We give our season predictions and go over what we believe the floor and ceiling for the team are. Lastly, we make some statistical projections for the Cardinals players on offense and defense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hello, was on a Cardinals fans, and welcome to the
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
Seth and I.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Since we're we're you know normally, our Tuesday show is
a review of the previous game and then we will
do our preview of the upcoming game later on in
the week, but we don't have a game to preview sets,
so I guess this is going to serve as our
twenty twenty five season preview.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well not Yeah, And it's exciting, man, I mean, we're excited.
This is a this is a season where you know,
we're hoping to see it all come together, health permitting
to keep players, you know, and we're going to see
the the you know, product get to what we think
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it can become under Montcals support and Jonathan Gannon and
and see the vision kind of start to create the fruit.
Even though we're very you know, happy with what what
we've seen through one year, one and two, this will
be the next step. And you know, it's interesting to
(02:14):
think about this. But Theo Mackie, I believe of Azy
Central Right, tweeted out something last week that I thought
was interesting, and it's Cardinals draft class ranked since twenty
twenty right based on snap indic casses from over the
Cap twenty twenty thirtieth, twenty twenty one, twenty six, twenty
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twenty two, thirty first, and then the last two years
their eighth and ninth. So that's kind of what we've
been thinking, right, Like the looking at they're building it,
and you and I have said this over and over again.
They're building it the right way doesn't mean it's going
to work. And Arizona Cardinals fans, we know that it's
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not again guarantee that anything's going to work, because it's
worked for what five seasons since they moved to the valley.
But they're building it to be something that has longevity
and and can be of a contender status every single
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year and ultimately, as you know, fans of a starved
organization especially you know, in terms of not just wins,
but competitiveness. Right, that's all we've wanted. And maybe in
the year, you know, maybe in twenty twenty eight, right,
we're going, Okay, we're tired of the playoffs. They got
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to take the next step. But at that point, it
would just be nice to be in the playoffs for
three straight years and then have those high you know,
those those first class fan problems that we've never experienced.
I mean, think about it, Jess, all these years, all
these years, back to back playoffs twice, that's it, Like
(04:05):
they don't they don't go to the playoffs three years
in or they're not they're not true playoff a true
playoff team three years in a row. It's never never
happened in in the Valley. And so you know, this
would be obviously the first step, the baby step, and
that's what the expectation is now into being a year
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in and year out playoff contender. And so you know
that's the that's the excitement that you and I go
in with, you know, talking tonight and especially Sunday.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And in this episode, we want to talk about what
we what a successful season looks like for us. What
are there actually any hot seats in terms of you know, coaches, players,
things like that. We're going to talk about what Kyler
Marine needs to be this year. We're gonna look at
what we believe the floor and ceiling for this team
(05:00):
is and give our predictions, not necessard a game by games,
we've done that, but what is what do we predict
for the season, And then we'll kind of go over
some stat projections, what do we expect to see from
different players in twenty twenty five? So starting off what
a successful season looks like this this year, a lot
(05:20):
of people are saying playoffs or bust. Is that right
in your opinion? To progress to what they need to
do and go. You know, we've talked about the progression
of this team under Jonathan Anamonte Austin fort where they
went from in twenty twenty two, where they were a
four win dumpster fire. You know, twenty twenty two was
(05:40):
a disaster of a season. It was a four win
dumpster fire of a team. Then Jonathan Gannon takes over
twenty twenty three. They do not improve in wins, but
they do improven quality. They went from a dumpster fire
to a good bad team. As we said many times
that year, they were a good bad team. They were
a bad team, but they did good for they were
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if you had to rank all the bad teams, they
played better than all the bad teams. Last year. They
weren't a perfectly mediocre team. They were honestly because they
beat teams who didn't make the playoffs. And with the
exception of their loss, their inexcusable loss to the Carolina
Panthers last year, all eight of their nine losses came
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against teams with ten or more wins. They lost to
playoff teams, they lost to the Seattle Seahawks twice who
won ten games, and that that was basically it. They
were nearly good enough to be a playoff team and
looked like they could be, but they weren't good enough.
And so.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
For this year, is it fair?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Is it fair or is it not quite fair to
say playoffs or bust for this team?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah? I think they have to be right because, like
you said, they were, they were on the precipice last
year and there their losses were to teams that ended
up making the playoffs. Obviously sands the Carolina game, right,
and and so that was the game. You know, you
look at everything else, that was the game because losing
the Seattle, losing to Minnesota, all those other teams they were,
(07:18):
they were fine. It was that it was that overtime
lost to Carolina that really kind of was the backbreaker.
And we can talk about all these other games and
things and stuff, you know, things that happened, but they
didn't they didn't beat that team when they had to
to you know, maintain their pace for where they were headed.
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So that was, you know, that's last year. Now you
look at this year and to build upon that, to
build upon what they were, it has to be a
team that that takes that next step and then is
a playoff team right there, you said it, And obviously
we don't know off off hand, right, but you look
at it. You know, New Orleans, Carolina, Tennessee, Indy. You
(08:03):
know these teams, Jacksonville, you could even put teams like
the Falcons, the forty nine ers and the Rams. Those
are all teams that you should look at and say
that's a winner or at worst a coin flip, right,
And then you look at other teams like like the Packers,
you know, with my comparsons at it. Oh I forgot
(08:24):
the Cowboys. That should be a win anyways, Like the Packers,
you know, with my comparsons add it, Like like the Seahawks,
the Niners, the Buccaneers, the Rams, you know, the Texans
and the Bengals, Like those are games that that you
should be excited to watch your team play in, not dreading.
Oh man, I do not like this is not the
(08:47):
week I want to cover this game, this team right
like and and how many years and how many times
have we done that? You know, like we're it's just like, ugh,
I do not I do not want to be covering
the Cardinals when they play, you know, the.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Twenty twenty three game against the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Or right, or the even the Niners in twenty twenty
three in those teams, Right, You're like, I don't want
to watch this team get their brains beat in, Like, no,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No so, But I'm gonna pose this question. I'm nearly
of the expectation of playoffs per bus, but what if
what if this is a ten and seven team who
just misses the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Would that being a bust?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Or would it be would that be fine?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think you look at going from eight to ten
wins but because of a competitive NFC, because of a
competitive NFC West, If you're ten and seven but miss
the playoffs, is that a failure of a year? No?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
No, I don't think so. And I think that's you know,
the the little caveats that we give to all all situations, right,
And and you look at and you go, oh, okay,
that makes sense. But I mean you look at you know,
we've always kind of based it off of the excuse me,
the Detroit Lions. Sorry I had a brain fart on
(10:14):
who as I'm literally staring at the at their team.
But we've always kind of based off the Detroit Lions, right,
and like Detroit had that year three jump from from
nine to twelve wins, right, and they were there first
in the NFC North and kind of surprised everybody a
little bit, like people thought they were gonna be good.
(10:34):
But again, you know, go back everybody. I expected Green
Bay to still be the tops on that in that
division and they kind of struggled that year with with
love and the floor. Remember that was the year of like,
oh will they won't they with the fourth end the season.
Then they just beat the brakes off of the Cowboys
and the playoffs and almost upset the forty nine ers
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in the division, and people are like, Okay, they're a
good team, right, Like, they're a good team, and so
you know those are That's kind of what you look
at is whether it's that the Lions, and we've always
compared it to the Lions. Why, well, because the Lions
are the other morb unenfranchise, right like.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And they've also they've they've done that progression that we're
seeing with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They're kind of following that arc.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, and so so that's that's why I think we
look at playoffs for bus. But Yeah, if they go
ten and seven and missed the playoffs, it would be disappointing.
And we'll go back and we'll say, oh, I can't
believe they lost to Carolina, right, or I can't believe
whatever the team is that didn't make the playoffs that
they lost to that were like, ugh, that's the game,
(11:49):
and so like that's how you have to look at it.
So so that's how you know, I'm not overly overly like, oh,
the season's failure if they go too and set, but
like I will tell you like if they're if they're
you know, sitting at let's say nine and and four
(12:15):
and they finish one and one and three, that's definitely
one of those where you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Go that'll continue the narrow and the schedules. The schedule
lines up for them to falter late again.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It does.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
They got those those six games, the last six games
of the season where they go Bucks, Rams, Texans, Falcons,
Bengals and Rams. And so you've got four teams who
were in the playoffs last year and we're division winners,
and then two teams in the Falcons and the Bengals,
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who were in the playoff mix until Week eighteen. So
that that's gonna be that's gonna be hard, and you know,
for for the sake of Kyler Murray and and the Cardinals,
the whole narrative of finishing that would be I think, yeah,
that ten and seven missing the playoffs but falling apart
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late in the year, I don't like that would not
feel like a success of a season, even if it
means ten wins. So but honestly, the other question is
it would is there anyone on a hot seat this year?
(13:31):
And I say no, because even even if they missed
the playoffs, and even if they collapse late and they
finished ten and seven, they have a late collapse and
they missed the playoffs, I don't think there's any coaches
on the hot seat like some of the people like
I've seen talking about, you know, Jonathan Gannon, if they
you know, they might move like no, like barring a disaster,
(13:54):
dumpster bar of the season that there's nothing about the
coordinators or head coach that would suggest that they haven't
they haven't fallen short of expectations yet. Right, So if
they if this year they fall apart late, or they
missed the playoffs, or they're nine to eight or eight
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and nine, I don't think they're going to clean house,
but I think then what happens is because it's the
first year they miss expectations or fall short, twenty twenty
six then becomes the hot seat year.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, I would agree with that. And so you know,
you look at it, and I've seen experts on the
on the exes and the tweets that you know, if
they don't you know that this is Kyler Murray's last year,
and I'm like, maybe it is, Like if he's the problem,
then maybe it is. But you know, I know a
(14:49):
lot of people are like, oh, he's mid, he's this,
and I know we're going to get to that. But
it's like, have have you guys looked around the league, like.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The good old Mike Jerreki's saying, Jacoby Brissett is going
to be the starter next year? Dear lord, if that happens,
please can we welcome I.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Mean, at least we not at least we know that
they're tanking for a quarterback or the new regime in
twenty twenty seven, right Like, at least we know that
they're just going through it and they're just like it's
over anyways, so.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Let's move on. Then, so coming to next on the
rest of here podcast, The Best are Cardinals Talking them
Let's talk about Kyler Murray? How good does he need
to be in twenty twenty five? That's coming to next
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talking about Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How good do you think he has to be this year?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
For well, I guess there's two levels to it for
fans to be satisfied one and two for the Cardinals
to not move on from him. How good does he
need to be this year?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
You know, I've come to realize that there's really nothing
that can happen, barring a you know, a deep playoff run,
that will ever really satiate the Cardinals fan base, and
the irony behind that being that, you know, their favorite quarterbacks,
(16:16):
you know, a lot of their favorite quarterback. Carson Palmer
has one playoff win as a as a Cardinal, and
you know, and they look at that and they go,
you know, second best quarterback ever after Kurt Warner, and
it's like, okay, whatever you say, guys, like people just want,
you know, I don't know what people want, honestly, Like
That's what makes me laugh, is is that I don't
(16:38):
think fans do what they want. They look at things
and they go, you know, I want I want Carson Palmer.
It's like, all right, so you want the guy that
implodes in the big game, like like five interceptions in
the NFC championship game and the team's best chance to
ever win a win a title like so you know,
I don't think you're ever gonna play or make the
(17:00):
fans happy. But from a from a keeping him standpoint,
from that nature, I think, you know, like you said,
ten plus wins, you know, not not fading down the stretch.
Those are those are the first two things I think.
Continuing to be productive like he has been. I mean,
I know people want more, and you know, you and
(17:22):
I have talked about it quite a bit. We're fine.
You know, if if they're if they're a team that
that has the quarterback that only throws twenty four to
twenty five touchdowns, but they are a top ten offense
of points per game, are why would we care? Like
that's always been my thing, right like who cares where
the touchdowns come from? If they're if they're scoring points,
(17:45):
like you know, so that's that's the way I look
at it. I would like to see him reduce the
interceptions this year, you know. And so in that case,
if he's you know, I would like to see him
his interception rate, I guess the best way to put it,
but like, I would love to see his interception rate
(18:08):
under two percent. I know it is at a flat
two percent, which is still very good, by the way, like,
which is historically, especially.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
With Cardinals, that's like the lowest in team history basically, right.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And so so I would like to see that, and
I you know, again, I'd just like to see him
continue to play at a more consistent level. Like That's
the one thing I've always said, right is is you know,
I don't need the guy to be a top three quarterback,
(18:44):
but I also don't want to see a guy that's
a sub top twenty quarterback. Like and that's where you
end up getting that he's a top you know, twelve
to fourteen quarterback in the NFL. It's like, hey, just
be a consistent top eleven quarterback, Like, just be you know,
in that eight to eleven range every week. And obviously
you'll have a game where it's a bad game, like
(19:04):
everybody does. Right, But you'll have a bad game and
you can have a great game to counteract that. But
if you're consistently, you know, producing top eight to eleven
quarterback weeks every single week, then then that's better than
having that best quarterback in the league one week and
a guy that you are like, does he even know
(19:26):
what he's doing? You know, in another week. So those
are That's where I'm at for him more than anything.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And it, interestingly enough, I think the turnover numbers. I
think it's when the turnovers happened because the fact that
he had eight because like eleven eleven interceptions of the
season not terrible. It's not it's not terrible. The problem
was is eight in the final seven games. So if
you know, if three of those final eight interceptions had
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come before the buye, if he had had if he
had had six interceptions in the first ten games and
they were six and four, right right, we'd be talking.
We'd be talking much differently about Kyler this year if
he'd only had five interceptions in the five seven in
the final sabbath seven games of the year, and maybe
(20:18):
maybe we wouldn't be looking at him as it wouldn't
be he choked he just didn't step up enough, and
because now the narrative is beginning that it's beginning to
be that he he doesn't and he makes mistakes, like
when when in its high leverage, high leverage situations he
plays poorly, and that hasn't been the case in his career.
(20:43):
But we've also seen when they when they go from
playing loose to playing in the lead, like division wise,
they fade and when they're in a position to put
something away, they fade. And so I guess that's that's
kind of what we want to see is definitely that consistent.
(21:03):
We want to see flashes. We want to see flashes
of what he's capable of, and we've seen flashes. He's
a special quarterback, one that can take a team and
basically will a team to win on his shoulders, very
much like Josh Allen, just in a different way. And
I think it would just get the consistency I think
is what's super important.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
There's going to be some play.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
There's going to be some even if he wanted, even
if the Cardinals won the super Bowl, because we know
if they won the Super Bowl it Kyler probably wouldn't
have gaudy numbers because of the way they play offense,
the point they play defense, and even if they won
the Super Bowl, Tyler wouldn't get credit for a segment
of this fan base.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
He wouldn't get credit for it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It would be it would be the run game, it
would be the defense, it would be the coaching he
it would be winning the super Bowl in spite of Kyler.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Well that's the thing too, is like if there's a
segment of the fan base that will never like I said,
will never care, and so it doesn't matter. I mean
there are people that literally still bring up the playoffs.
They're like, oh, he quit on the team. It's like, guys,
I promise you this organization, all these people would not
(22:15):
be voting him a team captain and putting him up
there on the way that they do if there was
an actual issue, right, So, like it's just a silly
thing sometimes, but you know, it is what it is.
Fans have their reasoning for how they feel about things,
and some make sense, some don't. And like I said,
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I've always said the same thing, right, especially about Kyler.
It's like, if you want to move on, I'm happy
to move on. Just like show me, show me the
move That is a positive upward movement and not like
reduction back to the Arizona Cardinals and people will be like, well,
you know, you you go draft somebody. Okay, who do
(23:01):
you draft?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Like?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
What what quarterback is this team drafting? Develop because Kyler
Murray's it, so like where's that coming from? Oh you
go get a veteran okay, yep, so super easy. So
my teams just do it every every year, right, they
go find a veteran. Yeah exactly, And that's and that's
who it would be, right, Like it would be Kirk Cousins.
(23:22):
It would be Dak Prescott getting after being cut from
the Cowboys, you know, right, or or god forbid Aaron Rodgers,
right o hey, but at least if it was like
Rogers or Russell Wilson, we would have something to right
about for like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Since we would oh Jamis, Jamis would be fun.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Oh geez, yeah right, And what wouldn't that be the
guy that fans would want five hundred yards four touchdowns
and they lose and be like yeah, when it's not
his fault, yeah interception, right, No, it is like it's
great that he threw from five hundred yards and four touchdowns,
but also uh here was the reason that he had
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to throw for five hundred yards and four touchdowns to
make it a forty two to twenty eight game.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Right, Oh, some that I'm hoping for that hoping for
I'm not hoping for that. I'm hoping for a good
Kyler year because that makes everything better come out. Next
to the Rise Up Secret podcast, us Arcardonin's talking the web.
Let's talk about the floor in the ceiling of the team.
Realistic floor, realistic ceiling, and and our predictions. What do
we think is gonna happen that's coming? Next one Receup
(24:36):
Seret We're back on the resid Secret podcast. The Best
Our Cardinal's talking the web, talking about our twenty twenty
five Cardinals preview, the floor and of the ceiling. I'm
not like, if this team stays relatively help I'm not saying.
I'm not saying, Okay, Trey McBride Gohoes gets hurt or
Kyler Murray gets hurt. But an underachieving team and a
(24:59):
slightly overachieving team if things go right, if things go wrong,
what do you believe is their floor and their ceiling
for this year?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Uh? You know obviously, like you said, Sands, any major
injuries to any major player.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I think, I think general underperforming in general, Well, I
think they're I think they're floors eight wins again, Like,
I just don't see a team that's gonna lose more.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Than they lost last year. And and here's the thing,
like you said, like we don't feel like anybody's on
the hot seat. But like again, barring injury, if this
team is a six win team, it's gonna be really
hard to keep everybody too, right, Like changes would have
to happen again barring injuries in that sense, So that's
(25:55):
you know, I would say eight wins again, which to
us would be underachieving, right, Like it'd be like, oh gosh,
that they didn't take that next step, like is it
time to move on? Like who's like where what's the move?
Like how do you get how do you take that
next step? And things of that nature. So so that
would be my floor because again we're not talking like
(26:18):
you said, we're not talking injuries. You know, if Kyler
goes down, this is a probably a five win team,
maybe six because that that's like Jacoby's best season, right, like,
so you know maybe that, but if if you're healthy,
if you're not missing any key impact players for long
(26:38):
periods of time. I think you can get away with
with an eight win team as like your your base.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I would I would say something like seven eight wins
would be would be the floor for an underachieving team. Now, oh,
like things going well, I could see that, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Because they have.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Because they play the NFC South on the FC South,
So I think their win total could be elevated more
ceiling wise. But I see this team as a you know,
things going well, twelve thirteen wins, like if things really roll,
I could see them winning twelve thirteen games and and
and while I think their potential ceiling is the Super Bowl,
(27:25):
I'm not like, I think it's a deep playoff run
like NFC Title game. You know, they could make it
to the NFC Title Game if everything went well, and
and while you know, the tip tip of the ceiling,
I think they could, if everything went well, go to
the super Bowl. But basically, I think best case scenario
(27:48):
twelve thirteen wins, if everything goes well, they win a
playoff game or two.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah yeah, And I'm with you. I think I think
thirteen's high. I think if they win thirteen games, we're
gonna probably change our expectations a little bit, right, right,
But but yeah, I think that is where we're at
with this group right now. You know, and you look
(28:15):
at a lot of different things, right you look at
what how they've grown as a as a club, as
an organization, what the next step is. We've talked about
that at nauseum, so you know, when you look at it,
and I've always said this, I think this is a
ten win team. And so when I say things like that,
(28:36):
you know, people people go, well, you know, shouldn't they
do X, Y or Z? And it's like, Okay, I
mean ideally, yeah, that'd be great, right, but like you know,
we'll kind of see and and then you go And
this has been my philosophy for what I mean. We've
(28:58):
done this podcast for a while, so I've always said this, Right,
if they win, if they're a ten win team, then
to me, they're ceiling is twelve wins. And if they're
if we start talking thirteen wins, we're like, holy crab,
this is a really good team, right like this this
is borderline the best Cardinals team ever, and you know,
thirteen and beyond, I guess we should say. And then
(29:19):
if it's if it's less than or you know, anything
like that, we go, okay, well this is this is
what the issue is. So that's how I look at everything.
You know, overall, I think this is a this is
a squad that that is a ten win team. And
so I always say, you go two up and two down,
and that's that's where you're kind of going to fall
most of the time. And so for this group, I
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I think that's that's my ceiling, my floor, and and
how I look at this this team overall.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And my prediction, I I ten is a reasonable but
I think this is going to be an eleven win
team this year, ten slash wins and win a playoff
game this year. Everything that we've seen, basically, in my mind,
nothing we've seen the last two years suggests that they're
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going to regress or that they're not that they're not
going to take step forward now. But they win eleven
games and lose a close game in the in the
first round, or if they somehow won the division and
lose in the division round, be one and done. That
would still raise questions, but that would still be.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
The right step.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That's the right step. It's the right step.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
But because they've taken the steps that they have, and
the roster has improved the way that it has. I believe,
like I believe they're going to take those steps. So
I predict an eleven win team that wins one playoff
game and then after that they're playing with house money.
In my if they win ten games and win a
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playoff game, I think that that meets even the the
I think I think that would meet even the most
curmudgety fan about what to expect, Like, so there are
some people like we need to expect more. No, we
can't expect more right now, We've got to raise the
floor of this franchise, like like we gotta expect super Bowls. No, no,
(31:22):
please don't expect super bowls. We're not near. We're not there. Like,
if you want to, you want to raise the level,
we've got to get them to competitive, consistently consistently competitive,
and we're not there yet.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
No, And if you're.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Gonna do that, you're just gonna be miserable. And then
it's no fun to fall. It's it's no fun to
hate the team that you love, right, I don't want
to hate the team that I love. So I'm like
moving forward. I predict eleven wins if they win ten,
Like I see this as a ten eleven win team
in the regular season and they win a postseason game,
(31:57):
and I think we can we can just eliminate all
the old narratives about Kyler, about the Cardinals that you know,
like we've seen in others like Randy Johnson finally got
like when they won the title, but he he was
terrible in the post He was a terrible postseason picture
until two thousand and one. But yeah, like, let's let's
go ahead and break all the old narratives and and
(32:20):
just go from there. That that's what I want to see.
I think they.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Will break old narratives and kind of win over some
of the doubters.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, and that would be ideal, right, Like that would
be the ideal way to see these things progress and
what we've talked about altogether, and hopefully that's that's the
next step, right, So we'll hope that as things happen,
that they get to that point and we'll be able
to find find this group, you know, in a position
(32:56):
where they are compete not just for the for the division,
but for playoffs year and and year out, and that
that makes this fun you know, I you you just
said it. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Like I don't think anybody is ever gonna look back
(33:18):
and go God, that World Series run by the Diamondbacks
was was terrible, right there. Everybody everybody loved it and
understandably so. And and obviously we're just in in the
you know, the next iteration of of where they're at
and things of that nature, right Like, But I always
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ask people this, and I don't know how people feel,
so maybe I'm wrong. I'm okay with that, But like,
wouldn't you prefer like consistently getting to the playoffs every
year then one magical run that ends in in the
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same way that all the other magical runs have always ended. Like,
think about this town in general, right, there's one major
sports championship ever, and that's obviously twenty four years ago,
four years that two thousand and one d Backs team. Like,
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so that's what I always say, Like, if the Diamondbacks
won the World Series in twenty twenty three, nobody's gonna
ever ask to have that back, right, Like, nobody's gonna
be like, oh, I'd rather this team have been to
the playoffs eight straight years. No, nobody's gonna say that, however,
my point being like, don't wish for one run and
(34:53):
then and and then, like like you said, and I
think you hit the nail on the head. Wish for
or a consistent winner that is always always always competitive,
and then you and then you truthfully do have a shot,
right Like you look at it and you go, oh,
every time these guys strap it up, they've got a
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shot to win, and they've got a shot to make
a run in the playoffs. Like That's how I always
have looked at it. And I always go back to
the Arians Cardinals, right, Bruce Arians Cardinals were built for
three year run. We all wanted it to be more,
but the reality of the situation was between Ba's health,
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Palmer's health, the age of the franchise, the underdeveloping of
rookies because BA didn't have time for that. It was.
It was a three year run and probably the year
that they should have won it, Carson got injured. And
we know the history, Ryan Linley greatest playoff performance in
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Cardinals history. Right, So so that you know you don't
want to build that, you don't want to build like
where you're just a contender for you know, realistically, one
year in that three year run, you want to build
something that's like I don't again, you don't want to
(36:19):
be dramatic and you know not you know and say, oh,
I want to be the Steelers where it doesn't matter
that they're they're going to the playoffs every year, right,
you just pencil the Steelers and they could they could
be the one seed, they could be the two seed,
they could be the seventh seed, but they're going to
be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It would be great to get to the point where
we're bored of the playoffs exactly. But like Hill, we're
bored of the playoffs. We can't we can't put expectations
that high. We're not at board of the play We're
not at the point where the Philadelphia Eagles fired Andy
Reid because they just kept going to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And by the way, wouldn't that like wouldn't that be
great if you're like, ah, we had to move on
from JG and Tyler because like they just keep losing
in that the NFC Championship game or you know, something
of that nature. So you know, that's how I look
at this, Like, let's hope that they're building this right
that this is the first step in that, like, hey,
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this is you know, year in and year out they're
in the playoffs, and then we can start to complain
about God, they just make the playoffs every year and
that would.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Be great, that would be great. Coming to next on
the Rise of Secret Podcast, mist Are Cardinals Stalk, Well,
let's look about some statistical projections. What do we see
the players individually doing. That's coming next and rice ups.
You read We're back on the Rise of Secret Podcast
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Speaker 3 (37:49):
We actually get to talk.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
A little bit of of of props because they have
season props for players on fan Duel. And while that
wasn't the direction we needed to go, I think it's
a good way to do a go about that.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, because otherwise you're just like shooting at shooting at
the stars. Right, You're like, well, I think he's going
to have this many Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Kyler Murrie and and I'm like, and this is when
I had Jason Logan on from covers dot Com. That
was one of his best bets for this was to
take over his passing total because it's only three three
hundred and seventy five yards and a half and and
I'm guessing that projection is expecting missed time for injuries right,
(38:34):
one hundred percent. Expect this year, a healthy Kyler Murrie
is going to finally cross the four thousand yard threshold.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's my prediction.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, and I would agree with that. I mean that
thirty let's just call it thirty four hundred for easy
conversation pieces, but like I I think he's going to
clear thirty four hundred yards real. I don't want to
say easily, but like that's going to be something he
does in like week week fifteen, right or gain fifteens
right now? I know week fifteen, week sixteen technically, So yeah,
(39:07):
that's what I kind of look at and I think
is I think that is a yes. And if you
are thinking that he gets beyond four thousand yards like
Jeff says, and by the way, like I believe as well,
plus two thirty on Fandel right now?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh that's nice. Total touchdowns I know with Kyler is
hard to peg just passing touchdowns, but how many touchdowns
combined passing in Russian? Do you think he's going to
go for this year?
Speaker 4 (39:40):
You said it man tough, tough get for Kyler every year.
You know, you look at you look at different things.
His regular season passing touchdown over under is set at
twenty and a half and the overs plus money on
Fandel plus one hundred, So I don't obviously, but like
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I again, that's got to be thinking like he's gonna
be hurt and they're gonna they're going to have to
go to to uh Jacoby for a heavy amount of time.
I would take that over twenty. You know, again even
with injuries, right, like, even with uh that type of
situation and things of that nature. He's only got two
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seasons where he has not hit twenty. That was fourteen
in twenty twenty two, in a level.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
With the a sail years, yeah or that that is
one hundred percent for the ACL and and me, I'm
looking combined touchdowns like he's he's had over thirty once
and that was in twenty twenty. I think this is
the year. I'm I'm gonna say thirty two thirty three
(40:58):
combined passing and rushing towns, which is is kind of
the that I think that's the sweet spot where it's
not it's not he's not being productive enough, but we
know that this offense doesn't necessarily produce gaudy numbers. But
I think he's going to hit about thirty two to
thirty three combined touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, I look at it. I think that this year.
You know, you mentioned obviously passing touchdowns. You know, twenty
and a half's low his his because they don't have
twenty five on this that I can find hit. So
his next number will be thirty plus is plus five hundred,
so again, and that's just throwing touchdowns, So passing touchdowns obviously,
(41:46):
you know that that's an interesting number. I think his
total this year is going to be well into the thirties.
I truly do so. I would look at it and say,
and by the way, his over under is four and
a half, and that's over four and a half plus
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one point two. So so Jess's kind of point if
you believe in that, and I don't let me see.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
That's a good bet. I like the over four and
a half rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
And I just want to see what you're allowed to do.
I can spell, I promise, hold on, you cannot parlay
those okay, so you can't parlay those on Fandel right now.
So but over four and a half over twenty and
a half. That would be twenty five by my math skills,
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which is there's always a one hundred chance that that's inaccurate,
but twenty five. So yeah, I think he clears that
fairly regularly, and honestly, I wouldn't mind sprinkling plus five
hundred and thirty plus touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
That wouldn't be bad. We look at James Connor. He's
gone over one thousand yards evech is the last two years.
His his fan duel total is eight seventy five and
a half. I think that one's like, even with an
increased role from Trey Benson, I still think Connor is
a nine hundred yard rusher this year.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah, I think Connor. I think he honestly goes for
over one thousand again. And I was thinking about this
the other day, right, like, even with Benson's statistical growth,
likely it's gonna be one of those things that I
think there's gonna be a lot of games where James
gets sixteen carries and Trey gets twelve, right, and it's
(43:44):
and you see James with you know, eighty ish yards
and sixteen carries, so you know, roughly about five yards
of pop, right, And but then I think there will
be games where it's rugged, it's it's hard hitting, and
they just go, Okay, this is the James game, right like,
(44:06):
and so we'll see games where he gets into the
twenties still and he and he puts up over So
I think, you know, I think his average per game
and again, seventeen seventeen games makes this a lot like
we're not trying to dog on it by any means,
but seventeen games, you're talking fifty nine yards a game.
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I think he culdsh one one thousand.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Again, although they would require him to stay healthy. I
Gues's never played a seventeen game season. No, he's never
not missed a game.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
And I one thousand percent to understand that point and
would agree with that one critique because that is that
is the reality, right like, you can't you can't bet him,
and by the way, you can't parlay that either, So
it just must be you can't parlay these individuals. The
other one one for him, though, that's interesting, is over
(45:02):
under touchdowns and he's at seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Oh, that that's a tough one. That's that one's tough
because as you've got Benson, you've got Harrison, you you
feel like McBride's lack of touchdowns feels anomalous, which means
I think this year he's gonna get seven eight this year.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
So here's the one and I don't disagree with you,
but here's the one thing I'll say. With the Arizona
Cardinals twenty twenty one fifteen touchdowns, twenty twenty two and
thirteen games seven touchdowns in twenty twenty three in thirteen games,
seven touchdowns, and by the way, that was without Kyler
(45:49):
Murray for a massive, massive chunk of those games, and
then twenty twenty four eight touchdowns. So his obviously that
fifteen year is the outlier in the sense, but I
don't think it's unexpected to see him be at that
(46:12):
eight or nine again because that's what he consistently would
be averaging. Now, again, he's only played at most sixteen games,
and we even know that in some of those games, right,
like it's it's a quarter or a half, right, But
I do think he clears that seven and a half again,
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and that's minus one o eight right now. On FanDuel,
they don't have anything for Trey. They do have Kyler
Murray numbers though, So like if you're if you're super
degenerate and you want to get like crazy his his
over under rushings or seventy five and a half.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I like, that's that's a that's a that's a really
good line. But he's clearing it. He's clearing it. They's
going to use his likes more. But I think if
things go as planned, that Benson is going to be
more involved. And I see nine hundred for Connor, six
(47:13):
hundred for Benson, and so that will give them like
last year they had under fourteen hundred yards total between
the two well rushing yards, and this year that would
put them at over fifteen hundred rushing yards between the two.
(47:34):
I think what we kind of want to see is
a combined two thousand scribbing yards from the two of them,
between rushing and receiving. And I think that I think
that had about eighteen hundred eighteen fifty last year between
the two, and so increase whatever that looks like about
fifteen hundred rushing yards and about two thousand to twenty
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two hundred total yards from scrimmage those two is what
I want to see. And I think that we can
we can reasonably say that's that's going to be a
good target to hit.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
We look at Marvin Harrison, it's nine to seventy five
and a half. He's going for a thousand this year.
I think he's going to That's that's that's the thing.
Who's going to be the who do you think is
going to be the not the leader in receptions, but
the leader in receiving yards. I think Marv is going
to have more receiving yards and that McBride will have
(48:31):
more receptions. Yeah, I would agree with that, But nine
seventy five, I'm like, I'm I like Marv one thousand. Well, Trey,
it's at nine hundred and a half. I think that's
a I think that's an easy over as well, because
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I I think Marve will probably be about eleven hundred
in that McBride will probably be in the low nine
hundreds this year.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
And you look at it, and you know, the hard
thing becomes, uh huh, will Tray's his you know receptions
that you kind of mentioned. Here's the thing. Don't you
expect and maybe that's the dangerous word, but don't you
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expect the targets to be relatively the same.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Roughly?
Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know, I think if they're going to that gets hard.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
It's hard not to because he's always open, it says,
that's the thing. You know, It's like the way when
the Cardinals play and like you're, you know, you're trying
to get the ball Tom Tom Harrison. But McBride's always open.
That's the part that's hard. He's he's always open. But yeah, yeah,
I think you know, last year, if if the if
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they had hit, if Kyler and Marv had hit on
three or four more of the those shots down the field,
we're looking at a thousand yard season for Harrison and
so but I think we're gonna get and I think
we're gonna see more breakaway plays by Marv, and just
(50:17):
by nature of more of that, the trays is gonna
drop a little bit, like he's gonna you know, is
he gonna go from eleven hundred to dine hundred. Maybe
it's like it's hard for tight ends to to put that.
Look at George Kittle's numbers, like he had the massive
year and then he didn't hit a thousand again until
like four years later, and that's when we know who
(50:40):
they were starting to get receiver production. And so yeah,
I do like the over either way over nine hundred
and a half for McBride over eight seventy five and
a half for for Marv. And I like, I like
mark for over in the thousand, and I like at
least nine fifty for probably around nine to fifty for
for Trey.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
Yeah, and I think they I think again, I'm kind
of bullish on this offense. I think they're gonna both
go for over one thousand. The bigger jump to me
this year is going to be the touchdowns. And you
look at it obviously, you know wide receiver touchdowns or
(51:24):
pasing receiving touchdowns are tough. Over six and a half
from Marv. I think he clears that with relative ease
over four and a half for Tray. I really do
think that this year he gets in the end zone
a little more. I think I think Marv n's up
with double digits and I think Trey ends up with
over six.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
That that's that's good, that's good.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
On the defense end of the ball, talking sacks, Josh Squatt,
does he hit double digits? I'm thinking, who would be
fantastic if he did, because like, like if he gets nine,
it doesn't feel the same as if he gets ten
and if he gets ten, You're like, yeah, that was
a really good signing.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
I know, even though it's such an arbitrary number, you're
one correct, it's just because there's two numbers. So that's
all that.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Since eight plus eight plus sacks for sweat and then
I want five sacks plus for both Browning and Collins
would be ideal for me.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah. And you know, I look at this and I go,
I go, where where did the sacks come from this year?
Because you know, we've talked about overall the sacks, right,
like the numbers in total and what they did as
a defense as a whole last year. Obviously, the biggest
thing was they didn't have a guy that was the
(52:51):
go to, so they had forty but they had forty
one sacks overall, which was I believe middle of the
packet if I remember right, I thought mad. But they
came from all over. I mean we've talked about it.
Five from from Zave and four and a half from Dante,
three and a half from LJ, three from Mac, three
from guard Deck in his seven games, right, uh Luketta
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had three, nay Kwon Jones had three. You know, Isaser
White had two and a half. Zavor Thomas had two
and a half, Browning had two in his in his
short stint, Chris Barnes had two. So and then a
bunch of guys with one's not gonna look at that,
and I go, huh, maybe this is the year where
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we see, you know, as a team forty five to
fifty sacks. But it's more concentrated, right, like like you're talking,
like you said, like you get that ten to twelve
from Josh Wett, and then you get you know, six
to eight from from the next guys, right like Baron
Browning and Darius Robinson, and then you get you know,
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three to five each from from the big gas.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Such of fives would be really good, right right, You
get you could go with plus from from from from sweat.
You get five from Zavan and Browning, five from Koalis,
five from Darius Robinson. Yeah, you get a bunch, You
get a guys, a bunch of guys going fives and
that that would put together a really nice year.
Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah, And that's the thing again we're talking, you know. Here,
here's the way I look at it. In a seventeen
game season, the goal should be fifty one sacks because
that's three a game, and that would be ten more
than last year. Based on what they've added, that should
(54:45):
be a doable thing, right, fifty one. It's not outrageous,
it's not like it's not ever saying, oh, they got
to be like that, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
The Eagles when they when they lost and then there's
seventy whatever sacks.
Speaker 4 (54:58):
Slight exactly, So like that's why I look at it
from overall, like that's what I want to see from
this group and to see them take that next step
because the reality becomes And by the way, forty one
was fifteenth last year, tied with the Philadelphia Eagles for
those are curious, But fifty one, and that's the thing,
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that's a super super hopeful number because number that would
have put them forth last year. But to be fair,
you know, forty one or forty five to forty nine,
those are your you know top ten. Sixty three was one.
I don't expect sixty three.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, And what would be great is the fact that
if they increase on the back and then the non
statistical sacks, the pressure rate because the Cardinals, the Cardinals
had a really high sack to pressure rate, like conversion
because they just didn't generate pressure and when they got pressure,
(56:01):
they got to the quarterback. And so it would be
great to see the pressure rate increase and which would
but pressure to sack might go down because you know,
things happen.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
Exactly. So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
And then with that, let's go ahead, and let's go
ahead and wrap things up. Well, we have our week
one preview coming later this week. I have also an
opponent preview lined up with the Saints Wires John Sigler.
So we've got two more shows this week. Lots of
content coming coming for you. Definitely over to Revenge of
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
Seth and I.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Since we're we're you know normally, our Tuesday show is
a review of the previous game and then we will
do our preview of the upcoming game later on in
the week, but we don't have a game to preview sets,
so I guess this is going to serve as our
twenty twenty five season preview.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well not Yeah, And it's exciting, man, I mean, we're excited.
This is a this is a season where you know,
we're hoping to see it all come together, health permitting
to keep players, you know, and we're going to see
the the you know, product get to what we think
(01:53):
it can become under Montcals support and Jonathan Gannon and
and see the vision kind of start to create the fruit.
Even though we're very you know, happy with what what
we've seen through one year, one and two, this will
be the next step. And you know, it's interesting to
(02:14):
think about this. But Theo Mackie, I believe of Azy
Central Right, tweeted out something last week that I thought
was interesting, and it's Cardinals draft class ranked since twenty
twenty right based on snap indic casses from over the
Cap twenty twenty thirtieth, twenty twenty one, twenty six, twenty
(02:36):
twenty two, thirty first, and then the last two years
their eighth and ninth. So that's kind of what we've
been thinking, right, Like the looking at they're building it,
and you and I have said this over and over again.
They're building it the right way doesn't mean it's going
to work. And Arizona Cardinals fans, we know that it's
(02:59):
not again guarantee that anything's going to work, because it's
worked for what five seasons since they moved to the valley.
But they're building it to be something that has longevity
and and can be of a contender status every single
(03:21):
year and ultimately, as you know, fans of a starved
organization especially you know, in terms of not just wins,
but competitiveness. Right, that's all we've wanted. And maybe in
the year, you know, maybe in twenty twenty eight, right,
we're going, Okay, we're tired of the playoffs. They got
(03:41):
to take the next step. But at that point, it
would just be nice to be in the playoffs for
three straight years and then have those high you know,
those those first class fan problems that we've never experienced.
I mean, think about it, Jess, all these years, all
these years, back to back playoffs twice, that's it, Like
(04:05):
they don't they don't go to the playoffs three years
in or they're not they're not true playoff a true
playoff team three years in a row. It's never never
happened in in the Valley. And so you know, this
would be obviously the first step, the baby step, and
that's what the expectation is now into being a year
(04:26):
in and year out playoff contender. And so you know
that's the that's the excitement that you and I go
in with, you know, talking tonight and especially Sunday.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And in this episode, we want to talk about what
we what a successful season looks like for us. What
are there actually any hot seats in terms of you know, coaches, players,
things like that. We're going to talk about what Kyler
Marine needs to be this year. We're gonna look at
what we believe the floor and ceiling for this team
(05:00):
is and give our predictions, not necessard a game by games,
we've done that, but what is what do we predict
for the season, And then we'll kind of go over
some stat projections, what do we expect to see from
different players in twenty twenty five? So starting off what
a successful season looks like this this year, a lot
(05:20):
of people are saying playoffs or bust. Is that right
in your opinion? To progress to what they need to
do and go. You know, we've talked about the progression
of this team under Jonathan Anamonte Austin fort where they
went from in twenty twenty two, where they were a
four win dumpster fire. You know, twenty twenty two was
(05:40):
a disaster of a season. It was a four win
dumpster fire of a team. Then Jonathan Gannon takes over
twenty twenty three. They do not improve in wins, but
they do improven quality. They went from a dumpster fire
to a good bad team. As we said many times
that year, they were a good bad team. They were
a bad team, but they did good for they were
(06:04):
if you had to rank all the bad teams, they
played better than all the bad teams. Last year. They
weren't a perfectly mediocre team. They were honestly because they
beat teams who didn't make the playoffs. And with the
exception of their loss, their inexcusable loss to the Carolina
Panthers last year, all eight of their nine losses came
(06:27):
against teams with ten or more wins. They lost to
playoff teams, they lost to the Seattle Seahawks twice who
won ten games, and that that was basically it. They
were nearly good enough to be a playoff team and
looked like they could be, but they weren't good enough.
And so.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
For this year, is it fair?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Is it fair or is it not quite fair to
say playoffs or bust for this team?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah? I think they have to be right because, like
you said, they were, they were on the precipice last
year and there their losses were to teams that ended
up making the playoffs. Obviously sands the Carolina game, right,
and and so that was the game. You know, you
look at everything else, that was the game because losing
the Seattle, losing to Minnesota, all those other teams they were,
(07:18):
they were fine. It was that it was that overtime
lost to Carolina that really kind of was the backbreaker.
And we can talk about all these other games and
things and stuff, you know, things that happened, but they
didn't they didn't beat that team when they had to
to you know, maintain their pace for where they were headed.
(07:39):
So that was, you know, that's last year. Now you
look at this year and to build upon that, to
build upon what they were, it has to be a
team that that takes that next step and then is
a playoff team right there, you said it, And obviously
we don't know off off hand, right, but you look
at it. You know, New Orleans, Carolina, Tennessee, Indy. You
(08:03):
know these teams, Jacksonville, you could even put teams like
the Falcons, the forty nine ers and the Rams. Those
are all teams that you should look at and say
that's a winner or at worst a coin flip, right,
And then you look at other teams like like the Packers,
you know, with my comparsons at it. Oh I forgot
(08:24):
the Cowboys. That should be a win anyways, Like the Packers,
you know, with my comparsons add it, Like like the Seahawks,
the Niners, the Buccaneers, the Rams, you know, the Texans
and the Bengals, Like those are games that that you
should be excited to watch your team play in, not dreading.
Oh man, I do not like this is not the
(08:47):
week I want to cover this game, this team right
like and and how many years and how many times
have we done that? You know, like we're it's just like, ugh,
I do not I do not want to be covering
the Cardinals when they play, you know, the.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Twenty twenty three game against the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Or right, or the even the Niners in twenty twenty
three in those teams, Right, You're like, I don't want
to watch this team get their brains beat in, Like, no,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No so, But I'm gonna pose this question. I'm nearly
of the expectation of playoffs per bus, but what if
what if this is a ten and seven team who
just misses the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Would that being a bust?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Or would it be would that be fine?
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I think you look at going from eight to ten
wins but because of a competitive NFC, because of a
competitive NFC West, If you're ten and seven but miss
the playoffs, is that a failure of a year? No?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
No, I don't think so. And I think that's you know,
the the little caveats that we give to all all situations, right,
And and you look at and you go, oh, okay,
that makes sense. But I mean you look at you know,
we've always kind of based it off of the excuse me,
the Detroit Lions. Sorry I had a brain fart on
(10:14):
who as I'm literally staring at the at their team.
But we've always kind of based off the Detroit Lions, right,
and like Detroit had that year three jump from from
nine to twelve wins, right, and they were there first
in the NFC North and kind of surprised everybody a
little bit, like people thought they were gonna be good.
(10:34):
But again, you know, go back everybody. I expected Green
Bay to still be the tops on that in that
division and they kind of struggled that year with with
love and the floor. Remember that was the year of like,
oh will they won't they with the fourth end the season.
Then they just beat the brakes off of the Cowboys
and the playoffs and almost upset the forty nine ers
(10:59):
in the division, and people are like, Okay, they're a
good team, right, Like, they're a good team, and so
you know those are That's kind of what you look
at is whether it's that the Lions, and we've always
compared it to the Lions. Why, well, because the Lions
are the other morb unenfranchise, right like.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
And they've also they've they've done that progression that we're
seeing with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They're kind of following that arc.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, and so so that's that's why I think we
look at playoffs for bus. But Yeah, if they go
ten and seven and missed the playoffs, it would be disappointing.
And we'll go back and we'll say, oh, I can't
believe they lost to Carolina, right, or I can't believe
whatever the team is that didn't make the playoffs that
they lost to that were like, ugh, that's the game,
(11:49):
and so like that's how you have to look at it.
So so that's how you know, I'm not overly overly like, oh,
the season's failure if they go too and set, but
like I will tell you like if they're if they're
you know, sitting at let's say nine and and four
(12:15):
and they finish one and one and three, that's definitely
one of those where you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Go that'll continue the narrow and the schedules. The schedule
lines up for them to falter late again.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It does.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
They got those those six games, the last six games
of the season where they go Bucks, Rams, Texans, Falcons,
Bengals and Rams. And so you've got four teams who
were in the playoffs last year and we're division winners,
and then two teams in the Falcons and the Bengals,
(12:50):
who were in the playoff mix until Week eighteen. So
that that's gonna be that's gonna be hard, and you know,
for for the sake of Kyler Murray and and the Cardinals,
the whole narrative of finishing that would be I think, yeah,
that ten and seven missing the playoffs but falling apart
(13:10):
late in the year, I don't like that would not
feel like a success of a season, even if it
means ten wins. So but honestly, the other question is
it would is there anyone on a hot seat this year?
(13:31):
And I say no, because even even if they missed
the playoffs, and even if they collapse late and they
finished ten and seven, they have a late collapse and
they missed the playoffs, I don't think there's any coaches
on the hot seat like some of the people like
I've seen talking about, you know, Jonathan Gannon, if they
you know, they might move like no, like barring a disaster,
(13:54):
dumpster bar of the season that there's nothing about the
coordinators or head coach that would suggest that they haven't
they haven't fallen short of expectations yet. Right, So if
they if this year they fall apart late, or they
missed the playoffs, or they're nine to eight or eight
(14:15):
and nine, I don't think they're going to clean house,
but I think then what happens is because it's the
first year they miss expectations or fall short, twenty twenty
six then becomes the hot seat year.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yeah, I would agree with that. And so you know,
you look at it, and I've seen experts on the
on the exes and the tweets that you know, if
they don't you know that this is Kyler Murray's last year,
and I'm like, maybe it is, Like if he's the problem,
then maybe it is. But you know, I know a
(14:49):
lot of people are like, oh, he's mid, he's this,
and I know we're going to get to that. But
it's like, have have you guys looked around the league, like.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The good old Mike Jerreki's saying, Jacoby Brissett is going
to be the starter next year? Dear lord, if that happens,
please can we welcome I.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Mean, at least we not at least we know that
they're tanking for a quarterback or the new regime in
twenty twenty seven, right Like, at least we know that
they're just going through it and they're just like it's
over anyways, so.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Let's move on. Then, so coming to next on the
rest of here podcast, The Best are Cardinals Talking them
Let's talk about Kyler Murray? How good does he need
to be in twenty twenty five? That's coming to next
in Resids, he read We're back on the rips of
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talking about Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How good do you think he has to be this year?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
For well, I guess there's two levels to it for
fans to be satisfied one and two for the Cardinals
to not move on from him. How good does he
need to be this year?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
You know, I've come to realize that there's really nothing
that can happen, barring a you know, a deep playoff run,
that will ever really satiate the Cardinals fan base, and
the irony behind that being that, you know, their favorite quarterbacks,
(16:16):
you know, a lot of their favorite quarterback. Carson Palmer
has one playoff win as a as a Cardinal, and
you know, and they look at that and they go,
you know, second best quarterback ever after Kurt Warner, and
it's like, okay, whatever you say, guys, like people just want,
you know, I don't know what people want, honestly, Like
That's what makes me laugh, is is that I don't
(16:38):
think fans do what they want. They look at things
and they go, you know, I want I want Carson Palmer.
It's like, all right, so you want the guy that
implodes in the big game, like like five interceptions in
the NFC championship game and the team's best chance to
ever win a win a title like so you know,
I don't think you're ever gonna play or make the
(17:00):
fans happy. But from a from a keeping him standpoint,
from that nature, I think, you know, like you said,
ten plus wins, you know, not not fading down the stretch.
Those are those are the first two things I think.
Continuing to be productive like he has been. I mean,
I know people want more, and you know, you and
(17:22):
I have talked about it quite a bit. We're fine.
You know, if if they're if they're a team that
that has the quarterback that only throws twenty four to
twenty five touchdowns, but they are a top ten offense
of points per game, are why would we care? Like
that's always been my thing, right like who cares where
the touchdowns come from? If they're if they're scoring points,
(17:45):
like you know, so that's that's the way I look
at it. I would like to see him reduce the
interceptions this year, you know. And so in that case,
if he's you know, I would like to see him
his interception rate, I guess the best way to put it,
but like, I would love to see his interception rate
(18:08):
under two percent. I know it is at a flat
two percent, which is still very good, by the way, like,
which is historically, especially.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
With Cardinals, that's like the lowest in team history basically, right.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
And so so I would like to see that, and
I you know, again, I'd just like to see him
continue to play at a more consistent level. Like That's
the one thing I've always said, right is is you know,
I don't need the guy to be a top three quarterback,
(18:44):
but I also don't want to see a guy that's
a sub top twenty quarterback. Like and that's where you
end up getting that he's a top you know, twelve
to fourteen quarterback in the NFL. It's like, hey, just
be a consistent top eleven quarterback, Like, just be you know,
in that eight to eleven range every week. And obviously
you'll have a game where it's a bad game, like
(19:04):
everybody does. Right, But you'll have a bad game and
you can have a great game to counteract that. But
if you're consistently, you know, producing top eight to eleven
quarterback weeks every single week, then then that's better than
having that best quarterback in the league one week and
a guy that you are like, does he even know
(19:26):
what he's doing? You know, in another week. So those
are That's where I'm at for him more than anything.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And it, interestingly enough, I think the turnover numbers. I
think it's when the turnovers happened because the fact that
he had eight because like eleven eleven interceptions of the
season not terrible. It's not it's not terrible. The problem
was is eight in the final seven games. So if
you know, if three of those final eight interceptions had
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come before the buye, if he had had if he
had had six interceptions in the first ten games and
they were six and four, right right, we'd be talking.
We'd be talking much differently about Kyler this year if
he'd only had five interceptions in the five seven in
the final sabbath seven games of the year, and maybe
(20:18):
maybe we wouldn't be looking at him as it wouldn't
be he choked he just didn't step up enough, and
because now the narrative is beginning that it's beginning to
be that he he doesn't and he makes mistakes, like
when when in its high leverage, high leverage situations he
plays poorly, and that hasn't been the case in his career.
(20:43):
But we've also seen when they when they go from
playing loose to playing in the lead, like division wise,
they fade and when they're in a position to put
something away, they fade. And so I guess that's that's
kind of what we want to see is definitely that consistent.
(21:03):
We want to see flashes. We want to see flashes
of what he's capable of, and we've seen flashes. He's
a special quarterback, one that can take a team and
basically will a team to win on his shoulders, very
much like Josh Allen, just in a different way. And
I think it would just get the consistency I think
is what's super important.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
There's going to be some play.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
There's going to be some even if he wanted, even
if the Cardinals won the super Bowl, because we know
if they won the Super Bowl it Kyler probably wouldn't
have gaudy numbers because of the way they play offense,
the point they play defense, and even if they won
the Super Bowl, Tyler wouldn't get credit for a segment
of this fan base.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
He wouldn't get credit for it.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
It would be it would be the run game, it
would be the defense, it would be the coaching he
it would be winning the super Bowl in spite of Kyler.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Well that's the thing too, is like if there's a
segment of the fan base that will never like I said,
will never care, and so it doesn't matter. I mean
there are people that literally still bring up the playoffs.
They're like, oh, he quit on the team. It's like, guys,
I promise you this organization, all these people would not
(22:15):
be voting him a team captain and putting him up
there on the way that they do if there was
an actual issue, right, So, like it's just a silly
thing sometimes, but you know, it is what it is.
Fans have their reasoning for how they feel about things,
and some make sense, some don't. And like I said,
(22:40):
I've always said the same thing, right, especially about Kyler.
It's like, if you want to move on, I'm happy
to move on. Just like show me, show me the
move That is a positive upward movement and not like
reduction back to the Arizona Cardinals and people will be like, well,
you know, you you go draft somebody. Okay, who do
(23:01):
you draft?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Like?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
What what quarterback is this team drafting? Develop because Kyler
Murray's it, so like where's that coming from? Oh you
go get a veteran okay, yep, so super easy. So
my teams just do it every every year, right, they
go find a veteran. Yeah exactly, And that's and that's
who it would be, right, Like it would be Kirk Cousins.
(23:22):
It would be Dak Prescott getting after being cut from
the Cowboys, you know, right, or or god forbid Aaron Rodgers,
right o hey, but at least if it was like
Rogers or Russell Wilson, we would have something to right
about for like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Since we would oh Jamis, Jamis would be fun.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Oh geez, yeah right, And what wouldn't that be the
guy that fans would want five hundred yards four touchdowns
and they lose and be like yeah, when it's not
his fault, yeah interception, right, No, it is like it's
great that he threw from five hundred yards and four touchdowns,
but also uh here was the reason that he had
(24:09):
to throw for five hundred yards and four touchdowns to
make it a forty two to twenty eight game.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Right, Oh, some that I'm hoping for that hoping for
I'm not hoping for that. I'm hoping for a good
Kyler year because that makes everything better come out. Next
to the Rise Up Secret podcast, us Arcardonin's talking the web.
Let's talk about the floor in the ceiling of the team.
Realistic floor, realistic ceiling, and and our predictions. What do
we think is gonna happen that's coming? Next one Receup
(24:36):
Seret We're back on the resid Secret podcast. The Best
Our Cardinal's talking the web, talking about our twenty twenty
five Cardinals preview, the floor and of the ceiling. I'm
not like, if this team stays relatively help I'm not saying.
I'm not saying, Okay, Trey McBride Gohoes gets hurt or
Kyler Murray gets hurt. But an underachieving team and a
(24:59):
slightly overachieving team if things go right, if things go wrong,
what do you believe is their floor and their ceiling
for this year?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Uh? You know obviously, like you said, Sands, any major
injuries to any major player.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I think, I think general underperforming in general, Well, I
think they're I think they're floors eight wins again, Like,
I just don't see a team that's gonna lose more.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Than they lost last year. And and here's the thing,
like you said, like we don't feel like anybody's on
the hot seat. But like again, barring injury, if this
team is a six win team, it's gonna be really
hard to keep everybody too, right, Like changes would have
to happen again barring injuries in that sense, So that's
(25:55):
you know, I would say eight wins again, which to
us would be underachieving, right, Like it'd be like, oh gosh,
that they didn't take that next step, like is it
time to move on? Like who's like where what's the move?
Like how do you get how do you take that
next step? And things of that nature. So so that
would be my floor because again we're not talking like
(26:18):
you said, we're not talking injuries. You know, if Kyler
goes down, this is a probably a five win team,
maybe six because that that's like Jacoby's best season, right, like,
so you know maybe that, but if if you're healthy,
if you're not missing any key impact players for long
(26:38):
periods of time. I think you can get away with
with an eight win team as like your your base.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I would I would say something like seven eight wins
would be would be the floor for an underachieving team. Now, oh,
like things going well, I could see that, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Because they have.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Because they play the NFC South on the FC South,
So I think their win total could be elevated more
ceiling wise. But I see this team as a you know,
things going well, twelve thirteen wins, like if things really roll,
I could see them winning twelve thirteen games and and
and while I think their potential ceiling is the Super Bowl,
(27:25):
I'm not like, I think it's a deep playoff run
like NFC Title game. You know, they could make it
to the NFC Title Game if everything went well, and
and while you know, the tip tip of the ceiling,
I think they could, if everything went well, go to
the super Bowl. But basically, I think best case scenario
(27:48):
twelve thirteen wins, if everything goes well, they win a
playoff game or two.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah yeah, And I'm with you. I think I think
thirteen's high. I think if they win thirteen games, we're
gonna probably change our expectations a little bit, right, right,
But but yeah, I think that is where we're at
with this group right now. You know, and you look
(28:15):
at a lot of different things, right you look at
what how they've grown as a as a club, as
an organization, what the next step is. We've talked about
that at nauseum, so you know, when you look at it,
and I've always said this, I think this is a
ten win team. And so when I say things like that,
(28:36):
you know, people people go, well, you know, shouldn't they
do X, Y or Z? And it's like, Okay, I
mean ideally, yeah, that'd be great, right, but like you know,
we'll kind of see and and then you go And
this has been my philosophy for what I mean. We've
(28:58):
done this podcast for a while, so I've always said this, Right,
if they win, if they're a ten win team, then
to me, they're ceiling is twelve wins. And if they're
if we start talking thirteen wins, we're like, holy crab,
this is a really good team, right like this this
is borderline the best Cardinals team ever, and you know,
thirteen and beyond, I guess we should say. And then
(29:19):
if it's if it's less than or you know, anything
like that, we go, okay, well this is this is
what the issue is. So that's how I look at everything.
You know, overall, I think this is a this is
a squad that that is a ten win team. And
so I always say, you go two up and two down,
and that's that's where you're kind of going to fall
most of the time. And so for this group, I
(29:44):
I think that's that's my ceiling, my floor, and and
how I look at this this team overall.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
And my prediction, I I ten is a reasonable but
I think this is going to be an eleven win
team this year, ten slash wins and win a playoff
game this year. Everything that we've seen, basically, in my mind,
nothing we've seen the last two years suggests that they're
(30:13):
going to regress or that they're not that they're not
going to take step forward now. But they win eleven
games and lose a close game in the in the
first round, or if they somehow won the division and
lose in the division round, be one and done. That
would still raise questions, but that would still be.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
The right step.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That's the right step. It's the right step.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
But because they've taken the steps that they have, and
the roster has improved the way that it has. I believe,
like I believe they're going to take those steps. So
I predict an eleven win team that wins one playoff
game and then after that they're playing with house money.
In my if they win ten games and win a
(30:58):
playoff game, I think that that meets even the the
I think I think that would meet even the most
curmudgety fan about what to expect, Like, so there are
some people like we need to expect more. No, we
can't expect more right now, We've got to raise the
floor of this franchise, like like we gotta expect super Bowls. No, no,
(31:22):
please don't expect super bowls. We're not near. We're not there. Like,
if you want to, you want to raise the level,
we've got to get them to competitive, consistently consistently competitive,
and we're not there yet.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
No, And if you're.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Gonna do that, you're just gonna be miserable. And then
it's no fun to fall. It's it's no fun to
hate the team that you love, right, I don't want
to hate the team that I love. So I'm like
moving forward. I predict eleven wins if they win ten,
Like I see this as a ten eleven win team
in the regular season and they win a postseason game,
(31:57):
and I think we can we can just eliminate all
the old narratives about Kyler, about the Cardinals that you know,
like we've seen in others like Randy Johnson finally got
like when they won the title, but he he was
terrible in the post He was a terrible postseason picture
until two thousand and one. But yeah, like, let's let's
go ahead and break all the old narratives and and
(32:20):
just go from there. That that's what I want to see.
I think they.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Will break old narratives and kind of win over some
of the doubters.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, and that would be ideal, right, Like that would
be the ideal way to see these things progress and
what we've talked about altogether, and hopefully that's that's the
next step, right, So we'll hope that as things happen,
that they get to that point and we'll be able
to find find this group, you know, in a position
(32:56):
where they are compete not just for the for the division,
but for playoffs year and and year out, and that
that makes this fun you know, I you you just
said it. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Like I don't think anybody is ever gonna look back
(33:18):
and go God, that World Series run by the Diamondbacks
was was terrible, right there. Everybody everybody loved it and
understandably so. And and obviously we're just in in the
you know, the next iteration of of where they're at
and things of that nature, right Like, But I always
(33:42):
ask people this, and I don't know how people feel,
so maybe I'm wrong. I'm okay with that, But like,
wouldn't you prefer like consistently getting to the playoffs every
year then one magical run that ends in in the
(34:05):
same way that all the other magical runs have always ended. Like,
think about this town in general, right, there's one major
sports championship ever, and that's obviously twenty four years ago,
four years that two thousand and one d Backs team. Like,
(34:28):
so that's what I always say, Like, if the Diamondbacks
won the World Series in twenty twenty three, nobody's gonna
ever ask to have that back, right, Like, nobody's gonna
be like, oh, I'd rather this team have been to
the playoffs eight straight years. No, nobody's gonna say that, however,
my point being like, don't wish for one run and
(34:53):
then and and then, like like you said, and I
think you hit the nail on the head. Wish for
or a consistent winner that is always always always competitive,
and then you and then you truthfully do have a shot,
right Like you look at it and you go, oh,
every time these guys strap it up, they've got a
(35:15):
shot to win, and they've got a shot to make
a run in the playoffs. Like That's how I always
have looked at it. And I always go back to
the Arians Cardinals, right, Bruce Arians Cardinals were built for
three year run. We all wanted it to be more,
but the reality of the situation was between Ba's health,
(35:37):
Palmer's health, the age of the franchise, the underdeveloping of
rookies because BA didn't have time for that. It was.
It was a three year run and probably the year
that they should have won it, Carson got injured. And
we know the history, Ryan Linley greatest playoff performance in
(35:58):
Cardinals history. Right, So so that you know you don't
want to build that, you don't want to build like
where you're just a contender for you know, realistically, one
year in that three year run, you want to build
something that's like I don't again, you don't want to
(36:19):
be dramatic and you know not you know and say, oh,
I want to be the Steelers where it doesn't matter
that they're they're going to the playoffs every year, right,
you just pencil the Steelers and they could they could
be the one seed, they could be the two seed,
they could be the seventh seed, but they're going to
be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It would be great to get to the point where
we're bored of the playoffs exactly. But like Hill, we're
bored of the playoffs. We can't we can't put expectations
that high. We're not at board of the play We're
not at the point where the Philadelphia Eagles fired Andy
Reid because they just kept going to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
And by the way, wouldn't that like wouldn't that be
great if you're like, ah, we had to move on
from JG and Tyler because like they just keep losing
in that the NFC Championship game or you know, something
of that nature. So you know, that's how I look
at this, Like, let's hope that they're building this right
that this is the first step in that, like, hey,
(37:20):
this is you know, year in and year out they're
in the playoffs, and then we can start to complain
about God, they just make the playoffs every year and
that would.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Be great, that would be great. Coming to next on
the Rise of Secret Podcast, mist Are Cardinals Stalk, Well,
let's look about some statistical projections. What do we see
the players individually doing. That's coming next and rice ups.
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Speaker 3 (37:49):
We actually get to talk.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
A little bit of of of props because they have
season props for players on fan Duel. And while that
wasn't the direction we needed to go, I think it's
a good way to do a go about that.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, because otherwise you're just like shooting at shooting at
the stars. Right, You're like, well, I think he's going
to have this many Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
So.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Kyler Murrie and and I'm like, and this is when
I had Jason Logan on from covers dot Com. That
was one of his best bets for this was to
take over his passing total because it's only three three
hundred and seventy five yards and a half and and
I'm guessing that projection is expecting missed time for injuries right,
(38:34):
one hundred percent. Expect this year, a healthy Kyler Murrie
is going to finally cross the four thousand yard threshold.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's my prediction.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Yeah, and I would agree with that. I mean that
thirty let's just call it thirty four hundred for easy
conversation pieces, but like I I think he's going to
clear thirty four hundred yards real. I don't want to
say easily, but like that's going to be something he
does in like week week fifteen, right or gain fifteens
right now? I know week fifteen, week sixteen technically, So yeah,
(39:07):
that's what I kind of look at and I think
is I think that is a yes. And if you
are thinking that he gets beyond four thousand yards like
Jeff says, and by the way, like I believe as well,
plus two thirty on Fandel right now?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh that's nice. Total touchdowns I know with Kyler is
hard to peg just passing touchdowns, but how many touchdowns
combined passing in Russian? Do you think he's going to
go for this year?
Speaker 4 (39:40):
You said it man tough, tough get for Kyler every year.
You know, you look at you look at different things.
His regular season passing touchdown over under is set at
twenty and a half and the overs plus money on
Fandel plus one hundred, So I don't obviously, but like
(40:02):
I again, that's got to be thinking like he's gonna
be hurt and they're gonna they're going to have to
go to to uh Jacoby for a heavy amount of time.
I would take that over twenty. You know, again even
with injuries, right, like, even with uh that type of
situation and things of that nature. He's only got two
(40:27):
seasons where he has not hit twenty. That was fourteen
in twenty twenty two, in a level.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
With the a sail years, yeah or that that is
one hundred percent for the ACL and and me, I'm
looking combined touchdowns like he's he's had over thirty once
and that was in twenty twenty. I think this is
the year. I'm I'm gonna say thirty two thirty three
(40:58):
combined passing and rushing towns, which is is kind of
the that I think that's the sweet spot where it's
not it's not he's not being productive enough, but we
know that this offense doesn't necessarily produce gaudy numbers. But
I think he's going to hit about thirty two to
thirty three combined touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Yeah, I look at it. I think that this year.
You know, you mentioned obviously passing touchdowns. You know, twenty
and a half's low his his because they don't have
twenty five on this that I can find hit. So
his next number will be thirty plus is plus five hundred,
so again, and that's just throwing touchdowns, So passing touchdowns obviously,
(41:46):
you know that that's an interesting number. I think his
total this year is going to be well into the thirties.
I truly do so. I would look at it and say,
and by the way, his over under is four and
a half, and that's over four and a half plus
(42:07):
one point two. So so Jess's kind of point if
you believe in that, and I don't let me see.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
That's a good bet. I like the over four and
a half rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
And I just want to see what you're allowed to do.
I can spell, I promise, hold on, you cannot parlay
those okay, so you can't parlay those on Fandel right now.
So but over four and a half over twenty and
a half. That would be twenty five by my math skills,
(42:41):
which is there's always a one hundred chance that that's inaccurate,
but twenty five. So yeah, I think he clears that
fairly regularly, and honestly, I wouldn't mind sprinkling plus five
hundred and thirty plus touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
That wouldn't be bad. We look at James Connor. He's
gone over one thousand yards evech is the last two years.
His his fan duel total is eight seventy five and
a half. I think that one's like, even with an
increased role from Trey Benson, I still think Connor is
a nine hundred yard rusher this year.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah, I think Connor. I think he honestly goes for
over one thousand again. And I was thinking about this
the other day, right, like, even with Benson's statistical growth,
likely it's gonna be one of those things that I
think there's gonna be a lot of games where James
gets sixteen carries and Trey gets twelve, right, and it's
(43:44):
and you see James with you know, eighty ish yards
and sixteen carries, so you know, roughly about five yards
of pop, right, And but then I think there will
be games where it's rugged, it's it's hard hitting, and
they just go, Okay, this is the James game, right like,
(44:06):
and so we'll see games where he gets into the
twenties still and he and he puts up over So
I think, you know, I think his average per game
and again, seventeen seventeen games makes this a lot like
we're not trying to dog on it by any means,
but seventeen games, you're talking fifty nine yards a game.
(44:29):
I think he culdsh one one thousand.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Again, although they would require him to stay healthy. I
Gues's never played a seventeen game season. No, he's never
not missed a game.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
And I one thousand percent to understand that point and
would agree with that one critique because that is that
is the reality, right like, you can't you can't bet him,
and by the way, you can't parlay that either, So
it just must be you can't parlay these individuals. The
other one one for him, though, that's interesting, is over
(45:02):
under touchdowns and he's at seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Oh, that that's a tough one. That's that one's tough
because as you've got Benson, you've got Harrison, you you
feel like McBride's lack of touchdowns feels anomalous, which means
I think this year he's gonna get seven eight this year.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
So here's the one and I don't disagree with you,
but here's the one thing I'll say. With the Arizona
Cardinals twenty twenty one fifteen touchdowns, twenty twenty two and
thirteen games seven touchdowns in twenty twenty three in thirteen games,
seven touchdowns, and by the way, that was without Kyler
(45:49):
Murray for a massive, massive chunk of those games, and
then twenty twenty four eight touchdowns. So his obviously that
fifteen year is the outlier in the sense, but I
don't think it's unexpected to see him be at that
(46:12):
eight or nine again because that's what he consistently would
be averaging. Now, again, he's only played at most sixteen games,
and we even know that in some of those games, right,
like it's it's a quarter or a half, right, But
I do think he clears that seven and a half again,
(46:32):
and that's minus one o eight right now. On FanDuel,
they don't have anything for Trey. They do have Kyler
Murray numbers though, So like if you're if you're super
degenerate and you want to get like crazy his his
over under rushings or seventy five and a half.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
I like, that's that's a that's a that's a really
good line. But he's clearing it. He's clearing it. They's
going to use his likes more. But I think if
things go as planned, that Benson is going to be
more involved. And I see nine hundred for Connor, six
(47:13):
hundred for Benson, and so that will give them like
last year they had under fourteen hundred yards total between
the two well rushing yards, and this year that would
put them at over fifteen hundred rushing yards between the two.
(47:34):
I think what we kind of want to see is
a combined two thousand scribbing yards from the two of them,
between rushing and receiving. And I think that I think
that had about eighteen hundred eighteen fifty last year between
the two, and so increase whatever that looks like about
fifteen hundred rushing yards and about two thousand to twenty
(47:57):
two hundred total yards from scrimmage those two is what
I want to see. And I think that we can
we can reasonably say that's that's going to be a
good target to hit.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
We look at Marvin Harrison, it's nine to seventy five
and a half. He's going for a thousand this year.
I think he's going to That's that's that's the thing.
Who's going to be the who do you think is
going to be the not the leader in receptions, but
the leader in receiving yards. I think Marv is going
to have more receiving yards and that McBride will have
(48:31):
more receptions. Yeah, I would agree with that, But nine
seventy five, I'm like, I'm I like Marv one thousand. Well, Trey,
it's at nine hundred and a half. I think that's
a I think that's an easy over as well, because
(48:51):
I I think Marve will probably be about eleven hundred
in that McBride will probably be in the low nine
hundreds this year.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
And you look at it, and you know, the hard
thing becomes, uh huh, will Tray's his you know receptions
that you kind of mentioned. Here's the thing. Don't you
expect and maybe that's the dangerous word, but don't you
(49:22):
expect the targets to be relatively the same.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Roughly?
Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know, I think if they're going to that gets hard.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
It's hard not to because he's always open, it says,
that's the thing. You know, It's like the way when
the Cardinals play and like you're, you know, you're trying
to get the ball Tom Tom Harrison. But McBride's always open.
That's the part that's hard. He's he's always open. But yeah, yeah,
I think you know, last year, if if the if
(49:54):
they had hit, if Kyler and Marv had hit on
three or four more of the those shots down the field,
we're looking at a thousand yard season for Harrison and
so but I think we're gonna get and I think
we're gonna see more breakaway plays by Marv, and just
(50:17):
by nature of more of that, the trays is gonna
drop a little bit, like he's gonna you know, is
he gonna go from eleven hundred to dine hundred. Maybe
it's like it's hard for tight ends to to put that.
Look at George Kittle's numbers, like he had the massive
year and then he didn't hit a thousand again until
like four years later, and that's when we know who
(50:40):
they were starting to get receiver production. And so yeah,
I do like the over either way over nine hundred
and a half for McBride over eight seventy five and
a half for for Marv. And I like, I like
mark for over in the thousand, and I like at
least nine fifty for probably around nine to fifty for
for Trey.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
Yeah, and I think they I think again, I'm kind
of bullish on this offense. I think they're gonna both
go for over one thousand. The bigger jump to me
this year is going to be the touchdowns. And you
look at it obviously, you know wide receiver touchdowns or
(51:24):
pasing receiving touchdowns are tough. Over six and a half
from Marv. I think he clears that with relative ease
over four and a half for Tray. I really do
think that this year he gets in the end zone
a little more. I think I think Marv n's up
with double digits and I think Trey ends up with
over six.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
That that's that's good, that's good.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
On the defense end of the ball, talking sacks, Josh Squatt,
does he hit double digits? I'm thinking, who would be
fantastic if he did, because like, like if he gets nine,
it doesn't feel the same as if he gets ten
and if he gets ten, You're like, yeah, that was
a really good signing.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
I know, even though it's such an arbitrary number, you're
one correct, it's just because there's two numbers. So that's
all that.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Since eight plus eight plus sacks for sweat and then
I want five sacks plus for both Browning and Collins
would be ideal for me.
Speaker 4 (52:30):
Yeah. And you know, I look at this and I go,
I go, where where did the sacks come from this year?
Because you know, we've talked about overall the sacks, right,
like the numbers in total and what they did as
a defense as a whole last year. Obviously, the biggest
thing was they didn't have a guy that was the
(52:51):
go to, so they had forty but they had forty
one sacks overall, which was I believe middle of the
packet if I remember right, I thought mad. But they
came from all over. I mean we've talked about it.
Five from from Zave and four and a half from Dante,
three and a half from LJ, three from Mac, three
from guard Deck in his seven games, right, uh Luketta
(53:14):
had three, nay Kwon Jones had three. You know, Isaser
White had two and a half. Zavor Thomas had two
and a half, Browning had two in his in his
short stint, Chris Barnes had two. So and then a
bunch of guys with one's not gonna look at that,
and I go, huh, maybe this is the year where
(53:36):
we see, you know, as a team forty five to
fifty sacks. But it's more concentrated, right, like like you're talking,
like you said, like you get that ten to twelve
from Josh Wett, and then you get you know, six
to eight from from the next guys, right like Baron
Browning and Darius Robinson, and then you get you know,
(54:00):
three to five each from from the big gas.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Such of fives would be really good, right right, You
get you could go with plus from from from from sweat.
You get five from Zavan and Browning, five from Koalis,
five from Darius Robinson. Yeah, you get a bunch, You
get a guys, a bunch of guys going fives and
that that would put together a really nice year.
Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah, And that's the thing again we're talking, you know. Here,
here's the way I look at it. In a seventeen
game season, the goal should be fifty one sacks because
that's three a game, and that would be ten more
than last year. Based on what they've added, that should
(54:45):
be a doable thing, right, fifty one. It's not outrageous,
it's not like it's not ever saying, oh, they got
to be like that, you know, the.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
The Eagles when they when they lost and then there's
seventy whatever sacks.
Speaker 4 (54:58):
Slight exactly, So like that's why I look at it
from overall, like that's what I want to see from
this group and to see them take that next step
because the reality becomes And by the way, forty one
was fifteenth last year, tied with the Philadelphia Eagles for
those are curious, But fifty one, and that's the thing,
(55:21):
that's a super super hopeful number because number that would
have put them forth last year. But to be fair,
you know, forty one or forty five to forty nine,
those are your you know top ten. Sixty three was one.
I don't expect sixty three.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, And what would be great is the fact that
if they increase on the back and then the non
statistical sacks, the pressure rate because the Cardinals, the Cardinals
had a really high sack to pressure rate, like conversion
because they just didn't generate pressure and when they got pressure,
(56:01):
they got to the quarterback. And so it would be
great to see the pressure rate increase and which would
but pressure to sack might go down because you know,
things happen.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
Exactly. So we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
And then with that, let's go ahead, and let's go
ahead and wrap things up. Well, we have our week
one preview coming later this week. I have also an
opponent preview lined up with the Saints Wires John Sigler.
So we've got two more shows this week. Lots of
content coming coming for you. Definitely over to Revenge of
(56:39):
Birds dot com Andcardswire dot com for more of your
written context until we come back later this week. That's
seth Cox. I'm just thanks for listening as our as
We'll be back again soon.
Speaker 6 (56:49):
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