November 25, 2025 • 51 mins
After the Cardinals' latest loss, a 27-24 overtime defeat at home to the Jacksonville Jaguars, Jess and Seth react to the game, go over the questionable coaching decisions and talk offense and defense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Zz z. This is the Rise Up Sea Red podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Seth Cox, Whe'sona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest
edition of the Rise of Secret Podcasts, The Best are
of Cardinals Talk on the Web. I'm your host Jess
Root from cardswire dot com, the USA Today NFL wire site.
In episode seven twenty two, and the Cardinals lose again
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twenty seven to twenty four to the Jacksonville Jaguars at
State Farm Stadium on Sunday in overtime, this is the
reaction show. I've got my co host here, Seth Cox
from Revenge of the Birds, the Nation's Ariazon A Cardinals
site and set it. They found a new way to lose,
didn't they? Like they found a new something that hasn't
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been done this century according to the broadcast, right, they
found a new and interesting way to lose on Sunday,
didn't they?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah? And it's unfortunate because one of the things that
we've talked about the last several weeks is just how
much they needed to play better complimentary football, right, And
so you and I, you know, in our text group,
thought this might have been the best defensive performance of
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the season statistically from from all of the metrics and
things of that nature. It was undoubtedly the best defensive
performance of the season. And you ended up seeing a
game that they lose in overtime despite creating four turnovers,
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one that led to a defensive score. That's I mean,
that's basically unheard of.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, was it the stat that we that was said
on the Cardinals broadcast that teams that are plus four
in the last twenty five years, teams that are plus
four in the turnover margin were fifty and oh they
were fifty and oh when they had a plus four,
the Cardinals went plus four, they had four takeaways, they
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didn't give the ball up this time, and they lost
the game. And honestly, I knew this, like it felt
like I was at the game and I felt it
a mile away. I'm like, there's no way they're going
to win this game. There's like they had the opportunities
to when they and I when they settled for the overtime,
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I'm I'm like, everything's gonna like, they're gonna lose. I
don't know how it's gonna happen, but they're gonna lose.
And but it was just like, man, you know when
when you have a game like this, and maybe maybe
it's because I'm honestly like I'm now in, I'm resigned.
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I'm like, whatever, go ahead and lose, go ahead. And
this is what everyone wanted. This is what everyone wanted.
They wanted this, they wanted this team and this offense
to look like this, and and so it's just it's funny.
It's funny to see, and it's a bummer. They're three
and eight. This is a team that we thought could
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and should compete in the division and could compete in
the conference, at least in the playoff race, and they
have been anything but that. And you know, just the
you're like, oh, they got they scored the defensive touchdown,
then the next two turnovers they get, they go three,
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three and out, and like this is and there's so
much blame to go around because there were there were
execution issues, there were questionable coaching calls down the stretch,
and but did this game for you? Did it change
anything for you? Did it just solidify what we've been
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seeing and are you ready to change your mind on
what the future of this team is.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I mean, it's tough because, like you said, this is
one of those losses that you just look at and
there's I mean, I think we said this a couple
of times, but like this is one that is just
really hard to explain. You know, the Cardinals again outpossess
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their opponent by almost ten minutes, They commit no turnovers,
they win the third and fourth down conversion battle, they
they fix the penalties. They were out gained yardage wise
a little bit, but nothing crazy, and you lose the game.
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And so much of that is is just coming down
to decisions that are being made. You know, you look
at you look at the fact that they are really
bad at time management scenarios, whether it's you know, the
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staff or if it's the players or or a combination
of the two. We obviously know they don't have any
type of running threat anymore, and and now it's become
a situation where they they just lack any ability to
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to protect because teams are just pinning their ears back.
They're daring the Cardinals to run the ball, and the
Cardinals are just refusing to do it. And I mean
we saw yesterday they had they had twenty rushing attempts
on the game, three of those where Jacoby Brissette scrambles.
But twenty rushing attempts on the game, they have fifty
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five yards rushing. That's it, that's just it was bad. Yeah,
that's just I mean, And what's crazy, Jess is, think
about this. They have fifty five yards rushing. Twenty of
that came on two plays, a nine yard Jacoby Brissette
running an eleven yard Michael Harder run. So like this
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is a team that just doesn't get any type of
running effort from from their their group. And and now
you're looking at the fact that they're throwing the ball
at an alarming I mean fifty dropbacks again yesterday, that's
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or fifty pass attempts. I forgot Keen Slovas technically through one.
That's just that's insane for a team with your Kobe
Brissett as quarterback, Like, that's just that's just not a
smart way of deploying your offense. And so we'll see
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how it how it looks, and and that's why it
almost feels like they're they're looking at it a's like, Eh,
what are you gonna do? There's nothing we can do
about it, so why not just go crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Let's let's start off by the coaching decision. So coming
next to the rest of your podcast, best are Cardinals
talk about it. Let's move on to the coaching decisions
and how they impact of the game. That's coming next
to and I suppose he read or back on the
rise of here podcast. The best are Cardinal's stock on
the web. Among the things in that twenty seven to
twenty four loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars were some coaching decisions,
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and I think the main thing. I think there are
two really big ones, two really big decisions that they had,
and one came with just under just under a minute,
just under the two minute warning. The Cardinals were at
fourth and twelve and rather they're at their own thirty,
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they had all their timeouts, and rather than hunting the
ball away and using those timeouts on defense, the kind
of the decision, okay, defense, get us a stop, defense,
get us a stop kind of like the idea to
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do that. Instead they go with fourth and twelve and
it's a nothing play and they know that that ultimately
didn't hurt them, but because they were coaching decisions on
the Jaguars, but on the Jaguars side as well. But like,
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did you think and in the moment, I wondered what
in the world or that I kind of understood whether
you're doing it, but fourth and twelve, like you better
have a great play design rather than oh crap, Jacoby's
getting They got everyone coming to Jacob and he just
throws the ball hoping for something Like did that feel
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like a coaching fail in that moment? Or was it
the fact that they simply didn't trust their defense?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You know, that's it felt like a coaching fail in
that moment. And that's one of the things that we've
talked about, right, it is the inconsistency. But you mentioned
a lot of you know, like series just look at
the uh, look at right after the half? All right,
so you you you miss a field goal that theoretically,
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you know, would have put you up what's seventeen to
ten at halftime, And so you missed that field goal, okay, whatever,
You're kicking off to the Jags to start the half,
and and the Jaguars have a a really really good drive,
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really really good and you get a big play from
Kalais Campbell and and Garrett Williams. Uh, you know Kalais
with the tip pass and then you know Garrett with
the interception, and you go, okay, they're they They're okay.
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And the reason you say it like that is you
look at it. It only took the Jaguars four plays
to go fifty one yards on that drive, right Like.
It wasn't like they methodically like four plays fifty one yards.
They just marched right down the field out of halftime,
and you're like, holy crap, what is happening? And then
think about this Jesse. You you get that turnover, you
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run three plays, you lose four yards, and you punt,
and the Jaguars have a huge punt return. Parker Washington's,
you know, a very dynamic return man, and they score
on a short field twenty seven yards, score a touchdown.
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They were that that was kind of it almost felt
like karma. And I know that's not the right word,
but like, oh, you got a flukey turnover as they
were driving. We need to you know, we need to
correct that. And and and so a short field for
a touchdown right after that. So the Jags go back
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up and You're sitting there thinking, okay, here we go.
Get and you and I were texting at this point
like oh shocking, right, Cardinals second half defense, Like it
wasn't even Fort Corter's second half defense. And and what
do you need after that? Right? What do you need?
More than anything? You need a response from your team.
And they come out and they go, here's our response.
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We're gonna run five plays, lose seven yards, and punt
the ball. And it's just like holy And then and
then your offense or your defense comes out forces another interception,
this one a great play by Keem Davis Gaither, you know,
really really baits Trevor Lawrence to make a really silly throw,
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gets the pick. Okay, all right, here we go plus
side of the field, right, like you're at the Jacksonville
thirty nine, Jess, this is these are guaranteed points. All
you have to do is just you know, run three plays,
gain a couple of yards, you can kick the field goal,
and and now you're you're tied again, right, And instead
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you somehow run three plays and lose eight yards. Just
coming out of the half, they forced two turnovers and
their offense responded with negative nineteen.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yards yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Like what is this team? Like you're finally getting an
elite's a strong word because they did give up touchdowns,
but you're finally getting that that defensive performance that we've
been talking about that has been seeing from this team,
and your offense goes, oh, I don't know how to
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play football, and like that's what you get. Like that's
just baffling to me that this is like there's just
no consistency that you know, we talk about every week.
There's no complimentary football and and this is just a
team that after last weeks and I hate again saying
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it like this, but like after last week's iszar locker
room rallying around Jacoby Brissett of like, oh he makes
it easier for us and this and that, right, like
all that crap to come out and have that offensive
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performance is genuinely embarrassing. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, and then there was the mismanagement at the end
of regulation when they got the they got the thirty
one yard pass to Michael Wilson and well, we'll go
to the next bad coaching decision as well, which came
immediately after the Cardinals went for it on fourth and twelve.
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Is that the Jaguars. The Jaguars had were faced with
third and one, got stuffed, and then on fourth and
one at the twenty eight yard line Arizona's twenty eight,
So it would have been a forty six yard field goal,
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something we know that Cam Little most certainly can make.
Rather than kick a field goal, go up by six
and forced the Cardinals to go down the field to
win the game with no field goal option, they decided
to go for it, and you know, the idea to
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run out the clock, now I understand that, but at
the same time, what about the Cardinals? But like, did
you think, And I know one of the guys in
our group said, you know, if I were them, I'd
consider going for it. And they did go for it
and they got stuffed. But whatn't it just made more
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sense to kick the field goal and then but the
Cardinals in a situation where it's win or lose, there
was no field goal to be able to hedge with.
And I feel the teams kind of mess this up
as well, Like if you're only up three, it doesn't
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take much for an NFL offense to get in a
field goal range, especially with how good kickers have been
this year. But there's a different kind of pressure when
you have to score a touchdown and you almost never
see it except for the elite guys. We've seen the
situation with even with Jacoby in the games where they
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needed to go down and score touchdown, they couldn't do it,
And I felt that was a bad coaching decision by Jacksonville.
But like we talked about last week, the Jacks Jaguars
are kind of like the Cardinals, right, They're just that
they are this year's version of last year's Cardinals, and
so they still have some things that they do that
are questionable. So you get Ganna's decision, followed by followed
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by Cohen's decision. Now would you have in that situation,
would you have kicked the field goal if you were
Jacksonville or would you have tried to pick up the
first down and run off the clock completely? Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I away was like going for it on that side
of the field. I had a problem with the play
call more than I did the decision. But that's you know,
that's all I that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like, why didn't they just run the ball right, because
it looked like they were they're pulling for a like
if then now they're not just going for it. They
were going for the touchdown, right why why?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah? And so it was it was a little interesting
to see it, but yeah, I mean this was this
is one of those situations where they gave the Cardinals
a chance and then the Cardinals squandered it. And you
mentioned the mistakes of of what happens with with the Jaguars,
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but you know, again, the Cardinals end of the game
situation was just asinine. I mean, it was just so
poorly done.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Right, But are you talking about after the after the
Wilson catch.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, So they have a great play design where they
where they bait, you know, a play and get the corner.
I don't even know which corner it was, to be
honest with you, but they get the corner to bite
and and Michael Wilson runs a great route I mean
between you and me and the wall. Terribly thrown ball.
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I mean, if he leads Wilson, it's a touchdown, right,
but Wilson has to slow up and and and wait
for it. And it was kind of a foreshadowing of
things to come with Jacoby's throwing down the field this game.
And and you look at that and you go, okay,
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that didn't. That didn't make any sense to then not spike.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Not called time out, not spike the ball. They said
they were trying to, you know, try to catch them
before they were set. They were set, and and Jacksonville
had to time out, right, the Cardinals had all three
other timeouts that the guy was with. He was saying,
like what called time out? Regroup? They had this, they
had this great play now time out regroup and then
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that that way you can kind of take your approach
and take three shots at the end zone before her
decide before having to kick the field goal. Instead, they
let twenty seconds come off the clock. They they don't
do anything at all, and then they have to kick
the field goal with six seconds left. And like you
could have you could have done a couple of you
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could have done a couple of things there and so
but but you said, we've joked about this before. Gannon
hates using timeouts. I don't know why, but maybe wants
to take him with him, take him to his next job.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I know, right well, And it's just tough. It's just
tough to watch how these things come about because because
you look at him and again, you know, coaching just
even like youth football or high school football, there are
decisions that are made and you go, oh, I know
what they should do in that situation, Like what why?
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Like like why are you making that decision as an
NFL head coach Because here's the thing, you know, And
I did post this on X today because I saw
Donnie was getting some black from some people and it
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was like, well, the the Jaguars had a time out,
So like if you were trying to gain an advantage
of the Jaguars, if they were worried about what you
were doing, they wouldn't just call time out. But you know,
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and again this is this is youth slash high school
football crap. I know that there's complexity as you go up,
but in a you know, grand overview type of situation,
in a short red zone, so typically inside the fifteen
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and even more inside the ten, where the field is
condensed and you're talking about only having twenty yards to
work with, you call you either call two defenses. Now
there's some nuance to that as well, but you're eily
gonna run cover two, meaning keep two guys high, sit
the corners in that flat you know that five yard
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flat area, and have defenders in the middle of the field,
or you're gonna run one of a man situation, either
Cover one where you have a single high safety or
Cover zero where your man across the board. You have
no help anywhere, and you're just gonna try to win
in man situations. If you're going to run one of
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the man situations, that means you're gonna blitz. That means
you're either gonna bring five if you're running Cover one,
or six if you're gonna run Cover zero. Those are
the only things you're looking at from a defensive standpoint
in that scenario, because there's not like you don't you
typically won't run quarters, which is you know, dropping four
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because there's just not enough room in the field. You're
typically not gonna run Cover three for a similar reason,
like there's just not enough depth in the field to
worry about. So you run those two defenses. And that's
again not saying all the time, but most of time
that's what you run. So there's no advantage because you
you're either making a you're making a zone call or
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a man call, and that's that's it. And if you're
calling man, you know you're gonna bring pressure. Well, they
ran zone and it just it almost like confused the Cardinals, right,
Like they didn't even get a good look, they didn't
even get a good like throw off, and so all
of that, all of that just goes to show you
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that this was just a cluster.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And and.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You know what's really interesting to me, Jess is and
I've I've wondered this allowed, you know a number of
times this year already, but it was always people were
under the guys of like, well, you're just making excuses
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for Kyler, right, And I'm like, well, no, I'm genuinely
curious about these things. And it was why are there
so many free runners? And that's a protection issue? And
and you know, typically the quarterback calls calls where hec's Blitzer,
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the center sets the protection, and it just it seems
like there's a lot of miscommunication consistently. And then in
the same conversation, you know, there was a lot of
like why did the veteran, ten year veteran quarterback just
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not spiked the ball in that situation? Like was he
forbidden to? Like like genuinely like was he not allowed to?
Because most quarterbacks in that scenario are gonna be like, oh,
we need to reset and give ourselves.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Clockett, clockett, unless unless it was unless it was in
his ears say go, go, go go, which also didn't
make sense.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right, And that's what my question is, is, like, you know,
whether it's the protections, the hot reads, like all of
that stuff that has been really really bad and goes
back to coaching, right, is that all stuff that come
that is like they're they don't have the ability or
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the autonomy to like do because in that case, then like,
what what are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Like, well, we we do know. We do know that
from the freedom that Kyler used to have under Cliff
Kingsbury to basically check out of any play that he
doesn't have that he didn't have, that that there are
certain plays where he does have and there's other places
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where there is no check. So that's an interesting concept.
When when you got the quarterback that you want there
there was that I want to point out one of
the coaching decisions, but it was more execution wise. It
came on the Jaguars third quarter touchdown to the Jacoby
Myers pass, the Trevor Lawrence passed the Jacoby Myers when
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the Cardinals blitzed. And your big thing with that one
is like Okay, blitz a corner. Why did you blake
Garrett Garrett Williams and leave Key Trell Clark in coverage?
Why didn't you do it the other way around? Because
it was Myers who it was Clark who got beat
on that throw. Oh, granted it was a great play
by it. It was a great throw by Trevor Lawrence.
But it was like you figure that you would rather
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have your best cover guy in coverage in that situation, well,
especially Kel Clark, Especially Clark. What is Clark? He's he's good,
He's a good physical player.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Right and and you look at you look at a
couple of things. Uh THEO Mackie of uh Asy Central,
I believe it is he He talked about it after
the game and brought it up and like the the
and I wrote about it today on the site, like
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the cornerback snap count was really odd yesterday unless Max
Melton's dealing with something. And we know how open and
honest this regime with with injuries, but like it, it
didn't really make any sense. I mean, and again we're
we like Kee Trail Clark, so this is not coming
from a place of but like Ke Trail Clark is
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not as good of a cover guy as Max Melton,
He's just not. And so if you know why in
that scenario, like you said, why are you blitzing Garrett
Williams one but two, why is Kee Trell Clarkin and
not Max Melton in a in a deal die scenario?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You know, is this one of those what's the fancy
term now soft benchings that we hear so much about, right?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yes, like and it's something disciplinary or I don't know,
it's it's it's it's so interesting to see when thinks, oh,
we were rotating him, but.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Why Yeah, and you weren't. And you know you you
mentioned it right, So you have that, and then you
have Denzel Burke, who again big fans of Denzel Burke
on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
But.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
A rookie fifth round pick over your third year second
round corner, Like make it make sense? Right? Like what
are we doing? Those are all questions that that like
and I know we'll never get the answer, but what
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why do we not get an answer on those things?
Like why? You know, how hard is it to be like, oh,
we're just looking at something different. Oh no, we were
rotating them, No you weren't, Like we have the snap
counts you weren't rotating them. Yeah, so you know what
is the reasoning behind it? Those those were two things
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that that really stuck out right, And then.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
We look at the overtime, like at that fourth down
throw by by Jacoby, You've got what is it? Fourth
and four? They go for it all and Agan is like,
love it going for the win. I'm like, maybe maybe
they got double and it was double double and they
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got single, they got man coverage. But did they fail
to account for the fact that that is safety high
and it's Jacoby Brossett throwing the ball two Exavier Weaver?
That is that really? Was that really what they wanted
for that last play because he would have thought and
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I get trying to go for a win. But based
on what Gannon said was just that was that a
poorly thrown ball by Jacoby. Then should he have not
knowing the route concept? Should he have tried to get
Weaver back on the outside instead of leading him right
into the safety.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, And that's why I said Jacoby had probably his
worst game in which it was close yesterday, and that
goes to why they lost the game. Because anytime you
get four turnovers forced four turnovers in a game. You
should win that game. And it was just a lot
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of missed throws, you know, I know he had sixty
seven percent completion and threw for three hundred and seventeen yards,
but there there were a lot of lot of miss throws.
I mean, you and I were texting about on the
other side. Yeah, right before the half ended. Uh, he
missed two back to back, and like didn't miss in
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the sense of like oh shucks, like h no, he
like didn't give his wide receivers a chance to make
a play on the ball.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right right they were. They were way out of bounce.
There was no chance at all.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
So you know, that's those are those are interesting things
because you just saw a guy that just missed a
lot of a lot of chances yesterday and and again
when you look at it, I mean, they had they
had four series in the game just which is just
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preposterous to think about, and and none of them were
like before the half or at the right at the
end of the half or right at the end of
the game. But they had four series where they had
negative yardage. They had five series where they gained less
than fifteen yards like those that's just really bad offense.
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And and you know, you and I have voiced our
concerns and have been insanely correct and accurate about the
issues with the petsing offense overall and what it does
to quarterbacks and want to ask of quarterbacks. But also
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there were just a lot of misses yesterday, and to me,
especially in the second half after Jacoby took that hit
and got knocked out, that speaks to a guy that's
starting to feel the ware of all those hits.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And let's move on to that coming the next on
the res is Here podcast. Bestar of Cardinals Talk on
the Way, let's talk about the offensive performance. For me,
there are two major things that stand out that's coming
to next on Receups hered. We're back on the rises
Here podcast. The best are Cardinal's Talk on the Way
talking offense, the offensive performance by code percent, and the offense.
For me, it came down to, like, of all the problems,
there were two notable big time problems. One was the
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run game. You mentioned that earlier. They rushed for fifty
five yards. Twenty of those came on two plays. One
was a scramble by the Cobet. One was the nice
eleven yard scamper by Michael Carter Bam Knight wasn't good.
Ten carries for twelve yards. Now, in fairness, we talked
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about Jacksonville stops the run, their number two in the
league against the run and number ten in yards per attempt.
So this was this was a good game, and that
was that was the thing that we kind of expected.
But the other thing is, oh my gosh. Remember they
talked about the San Francisco performance as a you know,
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it was a good job because no sacks allowed, and
we looked at that, you know, no sacks allowed, four hits. Well,
oh okay, maybe things are turning around. But it really
just goes to show how bad the forty nine ers
pass rush was because coming back, it was back. It
was more of the same. It was more of the
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same of what they said, even worse. He was hit
fifteen times, a season high fifteen times, was sacked six times,
and that brings his that even with even with the average,
even with the no sacks of only four hits against
the forty nine Ers, that gives him now twenty four
Jakobisid has been sacked twenty four times, four per game.
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In six games, he's been hit sixty four times so
at a clip of more than ten a game. Ah,
and I think we can probably look at that those
two things is the inability to run the ball and
then the the the six sacks are ultimately the reason
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why they couldn't take advantage of the takeaways.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, and that's just it, right, It's it's a guy
in Jacoby, who are are good? Buddy Black Murphy you know,
texts us today and jokingly talked about quarterbacks that have
been sacked at least ten times in a game, and
Jacoby Brissetts on there, which is, you know, baffling for
(35:37):
a guy that only started fifty nine games in his career,
that one of those games he's been sacked at least
ten times. Like that's just that's an absurd amount of
sack being sacked, you know, in a game. And and
then you go through his numbers and and you know
(36:00):
that season in in Indie he had a ten sack game,
the ten sack game, and an eighteen sack game. You know,
his one season in New England he had a six
sack game and a five sack game. This this season
in Arizona, he has, uh, you know, the six sack
game against Green Bay, a sixth sack game against Jacksonville
(36:25):
and then two five sack games. Those aren't indictments of
the offensive line because you're talking about Ford because in
his Cleveland year he has a five. Like you're talking
about a guy that just for better or worse, is
(36:45):
going to try to push the ball down the field.
And so fans go, oh, that's what we love about them,
and and coaches go, oh, that's what we love about him.
And then you go, oh, so you're okay with with
five plus negative plays in a game and sometimes in
(37:07):
key moments, and and you talked about that, and and
now you're starting to see the weare of that of
a guy that's you know, bailing out of out of
clean pockets now and when he bails out of a
clean pocket, it's not going to there's there's not the
potential of a big play, right, Like we saw the results,
(37:32):
and we're seeing a guy that is that is starting
to miss throws that he was hitting a couple of
weeks ago. Uh, and that's just a result, Like that's
not a again, I talked about this yesterday. That's not
a Jacobe thing. That's a Drew petsiing thing. Putting a
quarter back in a position to get hit that much
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is not going to impact him.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's gonna impact later the game. Like there's no way
for it not to impact those throws later on.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, and so you know, you look at it, just
four games, four games, he's been sacked twenty two times
and that's just sacks. That doesn't even include all the hits.
And yesterday, you know, I text you guys after that
that hit by Devin Lloyd and I was like, I
(38:22):
was like, that's not a penalty, but that was a
dirty play, Like was unnecessary and dirty, but it wasn't.
It wasn't a penalty. I mean he was in bounds.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
He was in bounds. Jacobe put his shoulder down and
so definitely he's like I'm gonna blast him. And I mean,
congrats to Dennis Gardek, who had in his year with
the Jaguars had exactly is the same amount of sacks
as as me or As Seth had a sack and
a half. We got to see his his familiar sack
dance back at State Farm Stadium. Yeah, six sacks on
(38:58):
the afternoon, no run game. I mean, we do have
to say again, Michael Wilson, Wow, another one hundred yard game.
Ten catches for one hundred and eighteen yards. He looks
legitimately good, which begs the question why in the world
can he not because he's not that consistent, like even
like we've seen him, like even in the targets that
(39:21):
he gets as a z he's not that consistent a
pass catcher.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
No, no, he's not. And and it was interesting. I
looked at, you know, the two games, obviously with the
big games, and you look at you look at a
couple of things. The first thing you look at is
is there's not a whole lot of yak. Yesterday was better.
I think he had almost forty yards of yak yesterday,
which is George afterc catch. That that was better. But
(39:49):
the week before with the you know, one hundred and
eighty five yards only eighteen after the catch. That's you know,
that's something that's not a strength of his. It's he's
he's more t Higgins right than he is Jamar Chase,
which isn't I mean, not a negative like nobody's saying
that's a bad thing, just kind of explaining it. But
(40:10):
then you look at you look at the fact that
there's really just no other targets it's him and and
uh Trey McBride, right, and and I know George had
nine targets yesterday, but like so you think about that
(40:34):
and you go, okay, well bring Marvin back into the fold,
and they're probably gonna flip a little bit, right. You'll
probably get Tray with fifteen, Marv a ten, and and
then Wilson's in that you know, eight to ten range.
(40:54):
And it'll be interesting to see how that goes from here,
because that is something that they need to continue to
build off of in a positive way. But again there's
a couple of interesting things. One, you know, again no touchdowns.
When is that going to start to become the conversation right,
(41:15):
like like we saw the train McBride last year where
he's he's doing the work, but he's not really having
he's not really scoring. And then you know, from there
it'll be about consistency with with Marv back. I would
I mean, I'm not an expert on non emergency appendectomies
(41:42):
because the only ones I've like been around have been
emergency and those are longer recovery times. So I think
based on what I've read that that we could see
Marv next week. But then also at this point, like
if he's not like ninety percent, what's the point right,
(42:06):
like here three and eighty exactly, come back to the
week after that, you know, so you know, and so
that's that's the thing. It was, Uh yeah, I mean,
it was just not a great game for the offense.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Was it not at all? Not at all? Come on
next on on the Rise Up Sea Read podcast, The
Best Half Cardinals talk on the web. Let's now go
to the defensive side of the ball. What did we
think about what we saw defensively? Let's come in next
Rice ups he read. We're back on the Rise of
Here podcast, The Best Out Cardinals talk on the web,
talking about the defensive side of the ball, which was
it was an uneven performance. Yes they cut the four takeaways.
(42:45):
Yes they scored a defensive touchdown. Trevor Wards Hustle threw
three touchdown passes. Trevor etn had one hundred and sixteen
yards and a touchdown. Breton Strange, in his first came
back from injured reserve, had five catches for almost one
hundred yards. J washingtond a big game. It was. There
was a lot and while Jacksonville was held to third,
(43:06):
the three for eleven on third down. You know, the defense,
they made the plays like on the ball, but they
also didn't create stops when they needed them. They every
time they got the ball. You know, we look at
the the second half, they school they get they picked
(43:29):
off three different times, but.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
They only they only forced two punts in the game.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
That's true that it was just two punts the entire game.
And yeah, and they came up with a couple of
big plays, but they like the and then in overtime,
oh my gosh. Then in overtime it was like that
first drive, the first drive when when Jacksonville got the ball,
firstop dupe four plays in ninety two yards in four plays,
(43:56):
you know, Brenton Strange, the big play, Trevors tr I
was ATN with a big play and then the catch
and touchdown. It was and it was like that in
overtime as well. It's like this team, this defense is
so wildly inconsistent because they either look like they're shutting
them down or they look like they don't know how
to play anyone.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Well, and you mentioned it ETN first series, three carries
sixty two yards, like again just not being competitive in
that series. But like you said they had. They had
really high highs. I mean we mentioned it only only
two punts forced, but they forced four turnovers including scoring one.
(44:39):
You know, you look at a couple of the drives.
They had a three and you know, they had a
three and out. You know, you look at the first half.
That that was what was really interesting to me is
you look at the first half and and yes, you
gave up a terrible first series, like everybody will agree
with that. But then you then you get the tough down,
(45:00):
the fumble touchdown. Unfortunately Walter Nolan goes out following that
with a knee injury. We'll find out more in weeks
to come, probably not this week, but in weeks to come.
Then they then they you know again, the Cardinals come
back and and they they punt and and you look
(45:28):
at it and you're like, okay, I mean this is
that's where the frustration comes in a little bit, right,
like you're like, why can we why can we not
play that that football that we talked about, And then
you get the end of the half. So so what
was interesting is they technically had five possessions, but they
(45:50):
really only had four possessions, but in two of those possessions.
They had fourteen plays for one hundred and thirty yards.
It was one hundred and twenty eight, but one hundred
and thirty yards. But in those other in those other
eight plays, Jess, they had negative five yards. So it's like,
(46:12):
again you go, where's the consistency. And then and then
we talked about the second half. Again it was it
was more big plays than it was good defense. Does
that make sense right? So you had you had the
fifty one yard drive on four plays again, four plays,
fifty one yards, and then you get the interception. Okay,
(46:33):
that was big, and then a short field touchdown, and
then you get the other interception. You're like, okay, this
is it. And then and then you don't do anything
with it offensively. Then you force a punt and then
you're like, okay, I mean think about that, Jess. You
go to start the third quarter, you go interception, short
field touchdown that you didn't have any responsibility for. The
(46:53):
special teams did interception, punt, interception, and and so somehow
you know you're losing, like that is that is baffling
to think about in that scenario. But but then you know,
like you said, you you get you get to see
(47:16):
what you need to win the game in overtime, like
you get the ball second and you don't. I mean, yeah,
you forced the vocal, but you talked about it. You
don't even like it's not even competitive. A twenty five
yard pass to start to start things off there.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It would have been worse. It wouldn't have been because
Trevor Lawrence. There was a play in the second half.
I don't remember when it was, it was on I
believe it was on a third downplay and he saw
something because he had Patrick come in motion to to
the far side of the field. Yeah, and he was
wide open and through the ball, didn't even look And no.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
That was that was No, that was in overtime. That
would have ended the game.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Oh yeah, that's right, that was that was the overtime.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah. And yeah, and and so that's that's the thing
is it's it's and again you know, not to beat
it dead horse, but why is Max Melton not on
the field like you have that And and in that scenario,
and I believe it was Dedn'tell Burke that blew the coverage.
(48:30):
I mean, at least from like what I saw, they
might have been a man. So it could have been
a linebacker, but some the corner on that side was Burke,
you know, and again we love the kid, excited about
his future, but he's a rookie in a high leverage
situation and he's he's not even giving you a competitive rep.
(48:55):
Like those are the those are the little things that
like just don't make sense, right, And so those will
be the things to watch towards the end of the season,
because there's nothing positive to watch at this point, you know,
in terms of like competing for the playoffs or anything
like that. I am interested that the fans have gone
full on tank mode. There's not there's not a grand
(49:17):
prize really this year. But you know, I guess picking
in the top seven for what the fourth time in
the last seven years is the prize and of itself, right, Like,
who knows what this could be. This quarterback could even
be Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, my goodness, what a mess. And they played Tampa
Bay this week. Will we will preview the Tampa game
later in the week. It'll be a little bit early
because of the Thanksgiving holiday. We're recording on a Monday,
and then we'll record the preview on a Wednesday, So
there might not be any props coming out, especially with
the uncertainty of a Baker Mayfield who supper and an
(50:00):
injury to his non throwing shoulder. It might be Teddy
Bridgewater versus Jacoby Brissett, the matchup we've all been dreaming about.
I'm sure, I'm sure we have.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Hell yeah, what a way to finish your Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
But with that, we will wrap up this edition of
the Rise of Here podcast, best a Cardinals Talk on
the Web. Be back later in the week. That's seth
cos I'm just Ruth. Thanks for listening. As always, we'll
be back again soon.
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In episode seven twenty two, and the Cardinals lose again
(00:48):
twenty seven to twenty four to the Jacksonville Jaguars at
State Farm Stadium on Sunday in overtime, this is the
reaction show. I've got my co host here, Seth Cox
from Revenge of the Birds, the Nation's Ariazon A Cardinals
site and set it. They found a new way to lose,
didn't they? Like they found a new something that hasn't
(01:10):
been done this century according to the broadcast, right, they
found a new and interesting way to lose on Sunday,
didn't they?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah? And it's unfortunate because one of the things that
we've talked about the last several weeks is just how
much they needed to play better complimentary football, right, And
so you and I, you know, in our text group,
thought this might have been the best defensive performance of
(01:41):
the season statistically from from all of the metrics and
things of that nature. It was undoubtedly the best defensive
performance of the season. And you ended up seeing a
game that they lose in overtime despite creating four turnovers,
(02:06):
one that led to a defensive score. That's I mean,
that's basically unheard of.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, was it the stat that we that was said
on the Cardinals broadcast that teams that are plus four
in the last twenty five years, teams that are plus
four in the turnover margin were fifty and oh they
were fifty and oh when they had a plus four,
the Cardinals went plus four, they had four takeaways, they
(02:37):
didn't give the ball up this time, and they lost
the game. And honestly, I knew this, like it felt
like I was at the game and I felt it
a mile away. I'm like, there's no way they're going
to win this game. There's like they had the opportunities
to when they and I when they settled for the overtime,
(03:00):
I'm I'm like, everything's gonna like, they're gonna lose. I
don't know how it's gonna happen, but they're gonna lose.
And but it was just like, man, you know when
when you have a game like this, and maybe maybe
it's because I'm honestly like I'm now in, I'm resigned.
(03:23):
I'm like, whatever, go ahead and lose, go ahead. And
this is what everyone wanted. This is what everyone wanted.
They wanted this, they wanted this team and this offense
to look like this, and and so it's just it's funny.
It's funny to see, and it's a bummer. They're three
and eight. This is a team that we thought could
(03:45):
and should compete in the division and could compete in
the conference, at least in the playoff race, and they
have been anything but that. And you know, just the
you're like, oh, they got they scored the defensive touchdown,
then the next two turnovers they get, they go three,
(04:06):
three and out, and like this is and there's so
much blame to go around because there were there were
execution issues, there were questionable coaching calls down the stretch,
and but did this game for you? Did it change
anything for you? Did it just solidify what we've been
(04:29):
seeing and are you ready to change your mind on
what the future of this team is.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I mean, it's tough because, like you said, this is
one of those losses that you just look at and
there's I mean, I think we said this a couple
of times, but like this is one that is just
really hard to explain. You know, the Cardinals again outpossess
(04:57):
their opponent by almost ten minutes, They commit no turnovers,
they win the third and fourth down conversion battle, they
they fix the penalties. They were out gained yardage wise
a little bit, but nothing crazy, and you lose the game.
(05:19):
And so much of that is is just coming down
to decisions that are being made. You know, you look
at you look at the fact that they are really
bad at time management scenarios, whether it's you know, the
(05:43):
staff or if it's the players or or a combination
of the two. We obviously know they don't have any
type of running threat anymore, and and now it's become
a situation where they they just lack any ability to
(06:15):
to protect because teams are just pinning their ears back.
They're daring the Cardinals to run the ball, and the
Cardinals are just refusing to do it. And I mean
we saw yesterday they had they had twenty rushing attempts
on the game, three of those where Jacoby Brissette scrambles.
But twenty rushing attempts on the game, they have fifty
(06:39):
five yards rushing. That's it, that's just it was bad. Yeah,
that's just I mean, And what's crazy, Jess is, think
about this. They have fifty five yards rushing. Twenty of
that came on two plays, a nine yard Jacoby Brissette
running an eleven yard Michael Harder run. So like this
(07:01):
is a team that just doesn't get any type of
running effort from from their their group. And and now
you're looking at the fact that they're throwing the ball
at an alarming I mean fifty dropbacks again yesterday, that's
(07:22):
or fifty pass attempts. I forgot Keen Slovas technically through one.
That's just that's insane for a team with your Kobe
Brissett as quarterback, Like, that's just that's just not a
smart way of deploying your offense. And so we'll see
(07:44):
how it how it looks, and and that's why it
almost feels like they're they're looking at it a's like, Eh,
what are you gonna do? There's nothing we can do
about it, so why not just go crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Let's let's start off by the coaching decision. So coming
next to the rest of your podcast, best are Cardinals
talk about it. Let's move on to the coaching decisions
and how they impact of the game. That's coming next
to and I suppose he read or back on the
rise of here podcast. The best are Cardinal's stock on
the web. Among the things in that twenty seven to
twenty four loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars were some coaching decisions,
(08:22):
and I think the main thing. I think there are
two really big ones, two really big decisions that they had,
and one came with just under just under a minute,
just under the two minute warning. The Cardinals were at
fourth and twelve and rather they're at their own thirty,
(08:47):
they had all their timeouts, and rather than hunting the
ball away and using those timeouts on defense, the kind
of the decision, okay, defense, get us a stop, defense,
get us a stop kind of like the idea to
(09:09):
do that. Instead they go with fourth and twelve and
it's a nothing play and they know that that ultimately
didn't hurt them, but because they were coaching decisions on
the Jaguars, but on the Jaguars side as well. But like,
(09:30):
did you think and in the moment, I wondered what
in the world or that I kind of understood whether
you're doing it, but fourth and twelve, like you better
have a great play design rather than oh crap, Jacoby's
getting They got everyone coming to Jacob and he just
throws the ball hoping for something Like did that feel
(09:52):
like a coaching fail in that moment? Or was it
the fact that they simply didn't trust their defense?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You know, that's it felt like a coaching fail in
that moment. And that's one of the things that we've
talked about, right, it is the inconsistency. But you mentioned
a lot of you know, like series just look at
the uh, look at right after the half? All right,
so you you you miss a field goal that theoretically,
(10:25):
you know, would have put you up what's seventeen to
ten at halftime, And so you missed that field goal, okay, whatever,
You're kicking off to the Jags to start the half,
and and the Jaguars have a a really really good drive,
(10:45):
really really good and you get a big play from
Kalais Campbell and and Garrett Williams. Uh, you know Kalais
with the tip pass and then you know Garrett with
the interception, and you go, okay, they're they They're okay.
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And the reason you say it like that is you
look at it. It only took the Jaguars four plays
to go fifty one yards on that drive, right Like.
It wasn't like they methodically like four plays fifty one yards.
They just marched right down the field out of halftime,
and you're like, holy crap, what is happening? And then
think about this Jesse. You you get that turnover, you
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run three plays, you lose four yards, and you punt,
and the Jaguars have a huge punt return. Parker Washington's,
you know, a very dynamic return man, and they score
on a short field twenty seven yards, score a touchdown.
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They were that that was kind of it almost felt
like karma. And I know that's not the right word,
but like, oh, you got a flukey turnover as they
were driving. We need to you know, we need to
correct that. And and and so a short field for
a touchdown right after that. So the Jags go back
(12:16):
up and You're sitting there thinking, okay, here we go.
Get and you and I were texting at this point
like oh shocking, right, Cardinals second half defense, Like it
wasn't even Fort Corter's second half defense. And and what
do you need after that? Right? What do you need?
More than anything? You need a response from your team.
And they come out and they go, here's our response.
(12:39):
We're gonna run five plays, lose seven yards, and punt
the ball. And it's just like holy And then and
then your offense or your defense comes out forces another interception,
this one a great play by Keem Davis Gaither, you know,
really really baits Trevor Lawrence to make a really silly throw,
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gets the pick. Okay, all right, here we go plus
side of the field, right, like you're at the Jacksonville
thirty nine, Jess, this is these are guaranteed points. All
you have to do is just you know, run three plays,
gain a couple of yards, you can kick the field goal,
and and now you're you're tied again, right, And instead
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you somehow run three plays and lose eight yards. Just
coming out of the half, they forced two turnovers and
their offense responded with negative nineteen.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yards yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Like what is this team? Like you're finally getting an
elite's a strong word because they did give up touchdowns,
but you're finally getting that that defensive performance that we've
been talking about that has been seeing from this team,
and your offense goes, oh, I don't know how to
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play football, and like that's what you get. Like that's
just baffling to me that this is like there's just
no consistency that you know, we talk about every week.
There's no complimentary football and and this is just a
team that after last weeks and I hate again saying
(14:27):
it like this, but like after last week's iszar locker
room rallying around Jacoby Brissett of like, oh he makes
it easier for us and this and that, right, like
all that crap to come out and have that offensive
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performance is genuinely embarrassing. Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, and then there was the mismanagement at the end
of regulation when they got the they got the thirty
one yard pass to Michael Wilson and well, we'll go
to the next bad coaching decision as well, which came
immediately after the Cardinals went for it on fourth and twelve.
(15:24):
Is that the Jaguars. The Jaguars had were faced with
third and one, got stuffed, and then on fourth and
one at the twenty eight yard line Arizona's twenty eight,
So it would have been a forty six yard field goal,
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something we know that Cam Little most certainly can make.
Rather than kick a field goal, go up by six
and forced the Cardinals to go down the field to
win the game with no field goal option, they decided
to go for it, and you know, the idea to
(16:06):
run out the clock, now I understand that, but at
the same time, what about the Cardinals? But like, did
you think, And I know one of the guys in
our group said, you know, if I were them, I'd
consider going for it. And they did go for it
and they got stuffed. But whatn't it just made more
(16:27):
sense to kick the field goal and then but the
Cardinals in a situation where it's win or lose, there
was no field goal to be able to hedge with.
And I feel the teams kind of mess this up
as well, Like if you're only up three, it doesn't
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take much for an NFL offense to get in a
field goal range, especially with how good kickers have been
this year. But there's a different kind of pressure when
you have to score a touchdown and you almost never
see it except for the elite guys. We've seen the
situation with even with Jacoby in the games where they
(17:12):
needed to go down and score touchdown, they couldn't do it,
And I felt that was a bad coaching decision by Jacksonville.
But like we talked about last week, the Jacks Jaguars
are kind of like the Cardinals, right, They're just that
they are this year's version of last year's Cardinals, and
so they still have some things that they do that
are questionable. So you get Ganna's decision, followed by followed
(17:37):
by Cohen's decision. Now would you have in that situation,
would you have kicked the field goal if you were
Jacksonville or would you have tried to pick up the
first down and run off the clock completely? Uh?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I away was like going for it on that side
of the field. I had a problem with the play
call more than I did the decision. But that's you know,
that's all I that's true.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like, why didn't they just run the ball right, because
it looked like they were they're pulling for a like
if then now they're not just going for it. They
were going for the touchdown, right why why?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah? And so it was it was a little interesting
to see it, but yeah, I mean this was this
is one of those situations where they gave the Cardinals
a chance and then the Cardinals squandered it. And you
mentioned the mistakes of of what happens with with the Jaguars,
(18:33):
but you know, again, the Cardinals end of the game
situation was just asinine. I mean, it was just so
poorly done.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Right, But are you talking about after the after the
Wilson catch.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, So they have a great play design where they
where they bait, you know, a play and get the corner.
I don't even know which corner it was, to be
honest with you, but they get the corner to bite
and and Michael Wilson runs a great route I mean
between you and me and the wall. Terribly thrown ball.
(19:07):
I mean, if he leads Wilson, it's a touchdown, right,
but Wilson has to slow up and and and wait
for it. And it was kind of a foreshadowing of
things to come with Jacoby's throwing down the field this game.
And and you look at that and you go, okay,
(19:30):
that didn't. That didn't make any sense to then not spike.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Not called time out, not spike the ball. They said
they were trying to, you know, try to catch them
before they were set. They were set, and and Jacksonville
had to time out, right, the Cardinals had all three
other timeouts that the guy was with. He was saying,
like what called time out? Regroup? They had this, they
had this great play now time out regroup and then
(19:59):
that that way you can kind of take your approach
and take three shots at the end zone before her
decide before having to kick the field goal. Instead, they
let twenty seconds come off the clock. They they don't
do anything at all, and then they have to kick
the field goal with six seconds left. And like you
could have you could have done a couple of you
(20:21):
could have done a couple of things there and so
but but you said, we've joked about this before. Gannon
hates using timeouts. I don't know why, but maybe wants
to take him with him, take him to his next job.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I know, right well, And it's just tough. It's just
tough to watch how these things come about because because
you look at him and again, you know, coaching just
even like youth football or high school football, there are
decisions that are made and you go, oh, I know
what they should do in that situation, Like what why?
(21:00):
Like like why are you making that decision as an
NFL head coach Because here's the thing, you know, And
I did post this on X today because I saw
Donnie was getting some black from some people and it
(21:21):
was like, well, the the Jaguars had a time out,
So like if you were trying to gain an advantage
of the Jaguars, if they were worried about what you
were doing, they wouldn't just call time out. But you know,
(21:41):
and again this is this is youth slash high school
football crap. I know that there's complexity as you go up,
but in a you know, grand overview type of situation,
in a short red zone, so typically inside the fifteen
(22:04):
and even more inside the ten, where the field is
condensed and you're talking about only having twenty yards to
work with, you call you either call two defenses. Now
there's some nuance to that as well, but you're eily
gonna run cover two, meaning keep two guys high, sit
the corners in that flat you know that five yard
(22:26):
flat area, and have defenders in the middle of the field,
or you're gonna run one of a man situation, either
Cover one where you have a single high safety or
Cover zero where your man across the board. You have
no help anywhere, and you're just gonna try to win
in man situations. If you're going to run one of
(22:46):
the man situations, that means you're gonna blitz. That means
you're either gonna bring five if you're running Cover one,
or six if you're gonna run Cover zero. Those are
the only things you're looking at from a defensive standpoint
in that scenario, because there's not like you don't you
typically won't run quarters, which is you know, dropping four
(23:07):
because there's just not enough room in the field. You're
typically not gonna run Cover three for a similar reason,
like there's just not enough depth in the field to
worry about. So you run those two defenses. And that's
again not saying all the time, but most of time
that's what you run. So there's no advantage because you
you're either making a you're making a zone call or
(23:29):
a man call, and that's that's it. And if you're
calling man, you know you're gonna bring pressure. Well, they
ran zone and it just it almost like confused the Cardinals, right,
Like they didn't even get a good look, they didn't
even get a good like throw off, and so all
of that, all of that just goes to show you
(23:53):
that this was just a cluster.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And and.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
You know what's really interesting to me, Jess is and
I've I've wondered this allowed, you know a number of
times this year already, but it was always people were
under the guys of like, well, you're just making excuses
(24:17):
for Kyler, right, And I'm like, well, no, I'm genuinely
curious about these things. And it was why are there
so many free runners? And that's a protection issue? And
and you know, typically the quarterback calls calls where hec's Blitzer,
(24:41):
the center sets the protection, and it just it seems
like there's a lot of miscommunication consistently. And then in
the same conversation, you know, there was a lot of
like why did the veteran, ten year veteran quarterback just
(25:02):
not spiked the ball in that situation? Like was he
forbidden to? Like like genuinely like was he not allowed to?
Because most quarterbacks in that scenario are gonna be like, oh,
we need to reset and give ourselves.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Clockett, clockett, unless unless it was unless it was in
his ears say go, go, go go, which also didn't
make sense.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right, And that's what my question is, is, like, you know,
whether it's the protections, the hot reads, like all of
that stuff that has been really really bad and goes
back to coaching, right, is that all stuff that come
that is like they're they don't have the ability or
(25:46):
the autonomy to like do because in that case, then like,
what what are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Like, well, we we do know. We do know that
from the freedom that Kyler used to have under Cliff
Kingsbury to basically check out of any play that he
doesn't have that he didn't have, that that there are
certain plays where he does have and there's other places
(26:12):
where there is no check. So that's an interesting concept.
When when you got the quarterback that you want there
there was that I want to point out one of
the coaching decisions, but it was more execution wise. It
came on the Jaguars third quarter touchdown to the Jacoby
Myers pass, the Trevor Lawrence passed the Jacoby Myers when
(26:33):
the Cardinals blitzed. And your big thing with that one
is like Okay, blitz a corner. Why did you blake
Garrett Garrett Williams and leave Key Trell Clark in coverage?
Why didn't you do it the other way around? Because
it was Myers who it was Clark who got beat
on that throw. Oh, granted it was a great play
by it. It was a great throw by Trevor Lawrence.
But it was like you figure that you would rather
(26:58):
have your best cover guy in coverage in that situation, well,
especially Kel Clark, Especially Clark. What is Clark? He's he's good,
He's a good physical player.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Right and and you look at you look at a
couple of things. Uh THEO Mackie of uh Asy Central,
I believe it is he He talked about it after
the game and brought it up and like the the
and I wrote about it today on the site, like
(27:31):
the cornerback snap count was really odd yesterday unless Max
Melton's dealing with something. And we know how open and
honest this regime with with injuries, but like it, it
didn't really make any sense. I mean, and again we're
we like Kee Trail Clark, so this is not coming
from a place of but like Ke Trail Clark is
(27:53):
not as good of a cover guy as Max Melton,
He's just not. And so if you know why in
that scenario, like you said, why are you blitzing Garrett
Williams one but two, why is Kee Trell Clarkin and
not Max Melton in a in a deal die scenario?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You know, is this one of those what's the fancy
term now soft benchings that we hear so much about, right?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yes, like and it's something disciplinary or I don't know,
it's it's it's it's so interesting to see when thinks, oh,
we were rotating him, but.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Why Yeah, and you weren't. And you know you you
mentioned it right, So you have that, and then you
have Denzel Burke, who again big fans of Denzel Burke
on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
But.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
A rookie fifth round pick over your third year second
round corner, Like make it make sense? Right? Like what
are we doing? Those are all questions that that like
and I know we'll never get the answer, but what
(29:06):
why do we not get an answer on those things?
Like why? You know, how hard is it to be like, oh,
we're just looking at something different. Oh no, we were
rotating them, No you weren't, Like we have the snap
counts you weren't rotating them. Yeah, so you know what
is the reasoning behind it? Those those were two things
(29:26):
that that really stuck out right, And then.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
We look at the overtime, like at that fourth down
throw by by Jacoby, You've got what is it? Fourth
and four? They go for it all and Agan is like,
love it going for the win. I'm like, maybe maybe
they got double and it was double double and they
(29:49):
got single, they got man coverage. But did they fail
to account for the fact that that is safety high
and it's Jacoby Brossett throwing the ball two Exavier Weaver?
That is that really? Was that really what they wanted
for that last play because he would have thought and
(30:10):
I get trying to go for a win. But based
on what Gannon said was just that was that a
poorly thrown ball by Jacoby. Then should he have not
knowing the route concept? Should he have tried to get
Weaver back on the outside instead of leading him right
into the safety.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, And that's why I said Jacoby had probably his
worst game in which it was close yesterday, and that
goes to why they lost the game. Because anytime you
get four turnovers forced four turnovers in a game. You
should win that game. And it was just a lot
(30:53):
of missed throws, you know, I know he had sixty
seven percent completion and threw for three hundred and seventeen yards,
but there there were a lot of lot of miss throws.
I mean, you and I were texting about on the
other side. Yeah, right before the half ended. Uh, he
missed two back to back, and like didn't miss in
(31:16):
the sense of like oh shucks, like h no, he
like didn't give his wide receivers a chance to make
a play on the ball.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right right they were. They were way out of bounce.
There was no chance at all.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
So you know, that's those are those are interesting things
because you just saw a guy that just missed a
lot of a lot of chances yesterday and and again
when you look at it, I mean, they had they
had four series in the game just which is just
(31:52):
preposterous to think about, and and none of them were
like before the half or at the right at the
end of the half or right at the end of
the game. But they had four series where they had
negative yardage. They had five series where they gained less
than fifteen yards like those that's just really bad offense.
(32:18):
And and you know, you and I have voiced our
concerns and have been insanely correct and accurate about the
issues with the petsing offense overall and what it does
to quarterbacks and want to ask of quarterbacks. But also
(32:40):
there were just a lot of misses yesterday, and to me,
especially in the second half after Jacoby took that hit
and got knocked out, that speaks to a guy that's
starting to feel the ware of all those hits.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And let's move on to that coming the next on
the res is Here podcast. Bestar of Cardinals Talk on
the Way, let's talk about the offensive performance. For me,
there are two major things that stand out that's coming
to next on Receups hered. We're back on the rises
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talking offense, the offensive performance by code percent, and the offense.
For me, it came down to, like, of all the problems,
there were two notable big time problems. One was the
(33:24):
run game. You mentioned that earlier. They rushed for fifty
five yards. Twenty of those came on two plays. One
was a scramble by the Cobet. One was the nice
eleven yard scamper by Michael Carter Bam Knight wasn't good.
Ten carries for twelve yards. Now, in fairness, we talked
(33:45):
about Jacksonville stops the run, their number two in the
league against the run and number ten in yards per attempt.
So this was this was a good game, and that
was that was the thing that we kind of expected.
But the other thing is, oh my gosh. Remember they
talked about the San Francisco performance as a you know,
(34:05):
it was a good job because no sacks allowed, and
we looked at that, you know, no sacks allowed, four hits. Well,
oh okay, maybe things are turning around. But it really
just goes to show how bad the forty nine ers
pass rush was because coming back, it was back. It
was more of the same. It was more of the
(34:25):
same of what they said, even worse. He was hit
fifteen times, a season high fifteen times, was sacked six times,
and that brings his that even with even with the average,
even with the no sacks of only four hits against
the forty nine Ers, that gives him now twenty four
Jakobisid has been sacked twenty four times, four per game.
(34:48):
In six games, he's been hit sixty four times so
at a clip of more than ten a game. Ah,
and I think we can probably look at that those
two things is the inability to run the ball and
then the the the six sacks are ultimately the reason
(35:10):
why they couldn't take advantage of the takeaways.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, and that's just it, right, It's it's a guy
in Jacoby, who are are good? Buddy Black Murphy you know,
texts us today and jokingly talked about quarterbacks that have
been sacked at least ten times in a game, and
Jacoby Brissetts on there, which is, you know, baffling for
(35:37):
a guy that only started fifty nine games in his career,
that one of those games he's been sacked at least
ten times. Like that's just that's an absurd amount of
sack being sacked, you know, in a game. And and
then you go through his numbers and and you know
(36:00):
that season in in Indie he had a ten sack game,
the ten sack game, and an eighteen sack game. You know,
his one season in New England he had a six
sack game and a five sack game. This this season
in Arizona, he has, uh, you know, the six sack
game against Green Bay, a sixth sack game against Jacksonville
(36:25):
and then two five sack games. Those aren't indictments of
the offensive line because you're talking about Ford because in
his Cleveland year he has a five. Like you're talking
about a guy that just for better or worse, is
(36:45):
going to try to push the ball down the field.
And so fans go, oh, that's what we love about them,
and and coaches go, oh, that's what we love about him.
And then you go, oh, so you're okay with with
five plus negative plays in a game and sometimes in
(37:07):
key moments, and and you talked about that, and and
now you're starting to see the weare of that of
a guy that's you know, bailing out of out of
clean pockets now and when he bails out of a
clean pocket, it's not going to there's there's not the
potential of a big play, right, Like we saw the results,
(37:32):
and we're seeing a guy that is that is starting
to miss throws that he was hitting a couple of
weeks ago. Uh, and that's just a result, Like that's
not a again, I talked about this yesterday. That's not
a Jacobe thing. That's a Drew petsiing thing. Putting a
quarter back in a position to get hit that much
(37:54):
is not going to impact him.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
It's gonna impact later the game. Like there's no way
for it not to impact those throws later on.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Yeah, and so you know, you look at it, just
four games, four games, he's been sacked twenty two times
and that's just sacks. That doesn't even include all the hits.
And yesterday, you know, I text you guys after that
that hit by Devin Lloyd and I was like, I
(38:22):
was like, that's not a penalty, but that was a
dirty play, Like was unnecessary and dirty, but it wasn't.
It wasn't a penalty. I mean he was in bounds.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
He was in bounds. Jacobe put his shoulder down and
so definitely he's like I'm gonna blast him. And I mean,
congrats to Dennis Gardek, who had in his year with
the Jaguars had exactly is the same amount of sacks
as as me or As Seth had a sack and
a half. We got to see his his familiar sack
dance back at State Farm Stadium. Yeah, six sacks on
(38:58):
the afternoon, no run game. I mean, we do have
to say again, Michael Wilson, Wow, another one hundred yard game.
Ten catches for one hundred and eighteen yards. He looks
legitimately good, which begs the question why in the world
can he not because he's not that consistent, like even
like we've seen him, like even in the targets that
(39:21):
he gets as a z he's not that consistent a
pass catcher.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
No, no, he's not. And and it was interesting. I
looked at, you know, the two games, obviously with the
big games, and you look at you look at a
couple of things. The first thing you look at is
is there's not a whole lot of yak. Yesterday was better.
I think he had almost forty yards of yak yesterday,
which is George afterc catch. That that was better. But
(39:49):
the week before with the you know, one hundred and
eighty five yards only eighteen after the catch. That's you know,
that's something that's not a strength of his. It's he's
he's more t Higgins right than he is Jamar Chase,
which isn't I mean, not a negative like nobody's saying
that's a bad thing, just kind of explaining it. But
(40:10):
then you look at you look at the fact that
there's really just no other targets it's him and and
uh Trey McBride, right, and and I know George had
nine targets yesterday, but like so you think about that
(40:34):
and you go, okay, well bring Marvin back into the fold,
and they're probably gonna flip a little bit, right. You'll
probably get Tray with fifteen, Marv a ten, and and
then Wilson's in that you know, eight to ten range.
(40:54):
And it'll be interesting to see how that goes from here,
because that is something that they need to continue to
build off of in a positive way. But again there's
a couple of interesting things. One, you know, again no touchdowns.
When is that going to start to become the conversation right,
(41:15):
like like we saw the train McBride last year where
he's he's doing the work, but he's not really having
he's not really scoring. And then you know, from there
it'll be about consistency with with Marv back. I would
I mean, I'm not an expert on non emergency appendectomies
(41:42):
because the only ones I've like been around have been
emergency and those are longer recovery times. So I think
based on what I've read that that we could see
Marv next week. But then also at this point, like
if he's not like ninety percent, what's the point right,
(42:06):
like here three and eighty exactly, come back to the
week after that, you know, so you know, and so
that's that's the thing. It was, Uh yeah, I mean,
it was just not a great game for the offense.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Was it not at all? Not at all? Come on
next on on the Rise Up Sea Read podcast, The
Best Half Cardinals talk on the web. Let's now go
to the defensive side of the ball. What did we
think about what we saw defensively? Let's come in next
Rice ups he read. We're back on the Rise of
Here podcast, The Best Out Cardinals talk on the web,
talking about the defensive side of the ball, which was
it was an uneven performance. Yes they cut the four takeaways.
(42:45):
Yes they scored a defensive touchdown. Trevor Wards Hustle threw
three touchdown passes. Trevor etn had one hundred and sixteen
yards and a touchdown. Breton Strange, in his first came
back from injured reserve, had five catches for almost one
hundred yards. J washingtond a big game. It was. There
was a lot and while Jacksonville was held to third,
(43:06):
the three for eleven on third down. You know, the defense,
they made the plays like on the ball, but they
also didn't create stops when they needed them. They every
time they got the ball. You know, we look at
the the second half, they school they get they picked
(43:29):
off three different times, but.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
They only they only forced two punts in the game.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
That's true that it was just two punts the entire game.
And yeah, and they came up with a couple of
big plays, but they like the and then in overtime,
oh my gosh. Then in overtime it was like that
first drive, the first drive when when Jacksonville got the ball,
firstop dupe four plays in ninety two yards in four plays,
(43:56):
you know, Brenton Strange, the big play, Trevors tr I
was ATN with a big play and then the catch
and touchdown. It was and it was like that in
overtime as well. It's like this team, this defense is
so wildly inconsistent because they either look like they're shutting
them down or they look like they don't know how
to play anyone.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Well, and you mentioned it ETN first series, three carries
sixty two yards, like again just not being competitive in
that series. But like you said they had. They had
really high highs. I mean we mentioned it only only
two punts forced, but they forced four turnovers including scoring one.
(44:39):
You know, you look at a couple of the drives.
They had a three and you know, they had a
three and out. You know, you look at the first half.
That that was what was really interesting to me is
you look at the first half and and yes, you
gave up a terrible first series, like everybody will agree
with that. But then you then you get the tough down,
(45:00):
the fumble touchdown. Unfortunately Walter Nolan goes out following that
with a knee injury. We'll find out more in weeks
to come, probably not this week, but in weeks to come.
Then they then they you know again, the Cardinals come
back and and they they punt and and you look
(45:28):
at it and you're like, okay, I mean this is
that's where the frustration comes in a little bit, right,
like you're like, why can we why can we not
play that that football that we talked about, And then
you get the end of the half. So so what
was interesting is they technically had five possessions, but they
(45:50):
really only had four possessions, but in two of those possessions.
They had fourteen plays for one hundred and thirty yards.
It was one hundred and twenty eight, but one hundred
and thirty yards. But in those other in those other
eight plays, Jess, they had negative five yards. So it's like,
(46:12):
again you go, where's the consistency. And then and then
we talked about the second half. Again it was it
was more big plays than it was good defense. Does
that make sense right? So you had you had the
fifty one yard drive on four plays again, four plays,
fifty one yards, and then you get the interception. Okay,
(46:33):
that was big, and then a short field touchdown, and
then you get the other interception. You're like, okay, this
is it. And then and then you don't do anything
with it offensively. Then you force a punt and then
you're like, okay, I mean think about that, Jess. You
go to start the third quarter, you go interception, short
field touchdown that you didn't have any responsibility for. The
(46:53):
special teams did interception, punt, interception, and and so somehow
you know you're losing, like that is that is baffling
to think about in that scenario. But but then you know,
like you said, you you get you get to see
(47:16):
what you need to win the game in overtime, like
you get the ball second and you don't. I mean, yeah,
you forced the vocal, but you talked about it. You
don't even like it's not even competitive. A twenty five
yard pass to start to start things off there.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It would have been worse. It wouldn't have been because
Trevor Lawrence. There was a play in the second half.
I don't remember when it was, it was on I
believe it was on a third downplay and he saw
something because he had Patrick come in motion to to
the far side of the field. Yeah, and he was
wide open and through the ball, didn't even look And no.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
That was that was No, that was in overtime. That
would have ended the game.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Oh yeah, that's right, that was that was the overtime.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Yeah. And yeah, and and so that's that's the thing
is it's it's and again you know, not to beat
it dead horse, but why is Max Melton not on
the field like you have that And and in that scenario,
and I believe it was Dedn'tell Burke that blew the coverage.
(48:30):
I mean, at least from like what I saw, they
might have been a man. So it could have been
a linebacker, but some the corner on that side was Burke,
you know, and again we love the kid, excited about
his future, but he's a rookie in a high leverage
situation and he's he's not even giving you a competitive rep.
(48:55):
Like those are the those are the little things that
like just don't make sense, right, And so those will
be the things to watch towards the end of the season,
because there's nothing positive to watch at this point, you know,
in terms of like competing for the playoffs or anything
like that. I am interested that the fans have gone
full on tank mode. There's not there's not a grand
(49:17):
prize really this year. But you know, I guess picking
in the top seven for what the fourth time in
the last seven years is the prize and of itself, right, Like,
who knows what this could be. This quarterback could even
be Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, my goodness, what a mess. And they played Tampa
Bay this week. Will we will preview the Tampa game
later in the week. It'll be a little bit early
because of the Thanksgiving holiday. We're recording on a Monday,
and then we'll record the preview on a Wednesday, So
there might not be any props coming out, especially with
the uncertainty of a Baker Mayfield who supper and an
(50:00):
injury to his non throwing shoulder. It might be Teddy
Bridgewater versus Jacoby Brissett, the matchup we've all been dreaming about.
I'm sure, I'm sure we have.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Hell yeah, what a way to finish your Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
But with that, we will wrap up this edition of
the Rise of Here podcast, best a Cardinals Talk on
the Web. Be back later in the week. That's seth
cos I'm just Ruth. Thanks for listening. As always, we'll
be back again soon.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.