October 22, 2025 • 54 mins
The Cardinals lost their fifth consecutive game on Sunday, a 27-23 loss to the Green Bay Packers after leading 20-13. There were offensive failures and they gave up 14 fourth-quarter points in the loss. Jess and Seth break things down from the loss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Z Yes. This is the Rise Up Sea Red podcast,
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on the web. Now Here are your hosts, Jess Root.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And Seth Cox.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
There's an a Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest
edition of the Rise Ups Here at podcast. The best
are Cardinals Talk of the Web. I'm your host Jess
Root from Cardswire dot com. You us hey, Today's NFL
wire site, the covers. Of course, here is on a
Cardinals for episode seven hundred twelve, our review, our reaction
show to the cardinals most recent loss, a third twenty
seven to twenty three loss, add home to the Green
Bay Packers. And it's the same thing. Seth Cox, my
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my co host from Revenge of the Birds dot com.
It's be Nations areas on a Cardinals site, joins me
as he does each week, and Seth it's it's like
the story. It's it's Groundhog Day, isn't it. We can't
not run the same story where play well, fall apart,
lose late. It was it wasn't the Kyler Murray script
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and defense script. But it was it was almost identical
to the Indiana and Indianapolis game.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, and it's, uh, it's interesting to look at it
and see how this is unfolded over the last five
weeks and and the different ways that they found to lose. Right, Like,
we've seen poor offensive showings with with decent defensive efforts
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that then and in in catastrophe. We've seen decent offensive
showings with with poor defensive efforts that then end in catastrophe,
you know, And the reality of it is, we haven't
We just haven't seen a complete game all season by
this this group at any level. And it shows whether
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it's you know, the results, it shows whether it's the
the grades that then are given you know, in the media.
It's just the entire thing has been a calamity of errors.
And it goes back to something you and I talked about.
I think it was a couple of weeks ago. But
it's just you know, because again, like you said, it
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is groundhog Day. So it's hard to remember when we
talked about this. But you know, good teams find ways
to win games, Bad teams find ways to continually lose,
and teams that we should all have a lot a
lot of questions about find ways to lose the same
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way five weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yes, it was a game in which they led by
a touchdown. Trey McBride had two touchdown catches. Ten catcher
seventy four yards. Jacoby Brissett through two touchdown passes. They
had a decent game froms from Bam Knight fourteen carries
fifty seven yards, and they did well on a lot
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of things. They held green Bay to under two to
under three hundred yards of two sixty two third down
three of ten. The Cardinals did have a turnover. They
went seven to fourteen on third down. They had three
hundred and thirty yards. With both games with Jacoby prosstic quarterback,
they surpassed three hundred yards. And it was the only
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game that the Packers other than their crazy tie against
the Dallas Cowboys where they had allowed more than three
hundred yards. So there's a lot of things that were good.
But ultimately, let's talk about why did they lose this time?
How did they lose? Where's the blame this time?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
What can we what can we pin our point our
fingers at? What can we go? This is why they lost?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, I think it starts at the top, and and
it's really easy to criticize coaches when they lose five
in a row. It really is. But you and I
were talking about this since week one, and it's it's,
you know, the fourth quarter defense. I jokingly tweeted out
during the game, the first fourth quarter punt since week one.
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But the reality is that wasn't even good enough, right, Like,
so we have, you know, obviously have to give some
grace in terms of fourth quarter scores. I understand that,
but the the Packers scored fourteen fourth quarter points. Now,
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to be fair, was the first play of the fourth quarter,
so they were gonna either score fourteen fourth quarter points
or fourteen third quarter points. But needless to say, that's
neither here nor there, right Like, you can't you can't
give up twenty one second half points and win football games.
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That's just it's not a winning formula. And so that's
the easy part. The the hard part is and I
immediately jumped on it in the game, and then you know,
it's always good to have people way smarter than you
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discuss things. And David Bactiari, the former All Pro offensive
tackle for the Green Bay Packers, ironically enough right watching
his boys play, basically said what a lot of us
had been you know, you and I and and and
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our our group texts have been questioning during the game,
what what the hell was this offensive scheme? What? What
was Why? Why was Jonah Williams on an island against
Michael Parsons? And and I thought Baktiari kind of nailed it,
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you know, the the Packers. I know, Paris Johnson technically
gave up a sack against Michael Parsons, but that was
a very you know, that's one that you could you
could say went on Jacoby. But when they flopped Parsons
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away from Paris Johnson, you had to adjust your game plan.
You had to. And then they didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And well it's weird because Jonathan Gannon said they didn't
have it like there were some but there weren't like
a lot of one on ones sometimes, I know, Darren
Urban pointed one out is one of the sacks was
Jonah was to push Micah inside to get help from
will Hernandez and Parsons just beat him on the outside. Hey,
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but it was weird that Parsons, like I haven't seen
them any one on ones and I don't know how
long and yeah, but yeah you continue, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No you're but that's just it, right, Like, how do
you career high three sacks but it's not even three sacks,
just like, like, don't get me wrong, that's that's a
great game. We've seen Chanler Parsons have what four five
right against against a great left tackle and uh, oh goodness,
the guy's name is escaping me. All of a sudden,
he does the podcast with Will Compton, Geez Taylor Luwan right,
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like a really really good.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That was That was basically the end of the once.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Correct, But but you look at it. He came into
this game. Think about the stress. He came into this
game two and a half sacks, one tackle for loss,
eight quarterback hits. In this game he had three sacks,
four tackle for loss, and five quarterback hits. He like
he doubled to triple all of his production to quintupled
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in one category all of his production on the season
in one game. And that was back to Auri's point, right, like, oh,
you know, we had some schemes where plays where we
wanted him to do X, Y or Z. You have
to deviate from the script when a dude is doing
that to you in a game. You can't just keep
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rolling it back and saying like, Okay, this play, he
gets some help, he might get a chip or this. No,
you have to you have to go to something else.
And I talked about this, and I wrote about this,
like it is. It is very uncommon at the high
school level, specifically to play against a game wrecord. It
is is very uncommon. But when you do, when you
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play against a guy that can single handedly take over games,
you gain plan for him. And and the Cardinals are
a fantastically better coaching staff than a very good coaching
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staff that I am a part of. However, I don't
think that there's one of us from an offensive or
defensive side of the ball that could have not had
a segment of like, hey, we should probably look to
help on Micah Parsons in this game, Like we should.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
We said, like Jacoby's gonna get killed, like by Parsons
is going to eat him alive. And that's literally what happened.
After getting sacked twice and hit twelve times against the Colts,
he was sacked six times and hit twelve times against
the Packers, and and they simply got home more often.
And a couple of them were just oh my gosh,
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that he had no chance. And we see that happened
every once in a while with Kyler Murray as well,
is that there will be a game break where there
is just something simply no hope for him to to
get out of it, even with his escapability. And and yeah,
Michael Parsons had a monster game. I felt that game
was going to be coming, and it just happened to
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come the exact week that they that they showed up
in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well and you look at it though, too, Jess, Like,
there are a couple more plays. Nate Tice who again,
I you know, did Blake find out? Uh? Does his
brother work for the Cardinals? I don't remember, But anyways,
you know, Nate Pice sent out a sent out a play.
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They're in a they're in a trio bunch formation, right
and they're just running outside zone. It looks like I'm
watching the playback right now, so h but it looks like, yeah,
so they're in a trio bunch. They motion, Yeah, it's
just a actually yeah, it's just a zone play, uh,
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and they solo Mi Comparson was with Elijah Higgins like
the Lost and I get it right, Like Tip Ryman's out,
so you got to go with your next guy. But really,
like this is the best defensive player, and well, and
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we're gonna are our third tight end that's a a
receiver more than a tight end is going to be
asked to block Mike Caparson solo. Like what are we doing?
Like that's a play where you just go like, Okay,
we're not going to run that this week. Let's get
to the next one. And instead it's like, now we're
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going to run this play and you're like wait what
like and and so like those are the things to
me that you can put your finger on because people
want to go, oh, it's it's Tyler's fault. Oh, it's
it's the defense's fault. It's this no no, no, no, no,
no no. When you lose five games in a row,
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it's not an individual or even a unit's fault. It
starts at the top. And and you know, we can
have the conversation about Michael Bidwell whenever we want to,
but it starts at the top. And the top of
the flu chain is Jonathan Gannon, and Jonathan Gannon and
his staff have put together piss poor performances. Now five
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weeks in a row and they put together piss poor
defensive performance is in the fourth quarter for seven straight weeks.
That's unacceptable, especially when you're a defensive head coach, right, Jess.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yes, one of those things that I you know, no
one is talking about. Really, everyone's talked about the pressure
on Drew Petsing entering this year. I remember showing up.
I can't remember what show it was, I whether it's
a radio show or a podcast appearance that I made,
and they asked me, what's the pressure on Drew pets
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And I'm like, how much pressure? Like the offense has
been good, Like granted this year it's not been good,
but the last two years the offense was not the problem,
and they had a garbage defense for the last two
years overall, and they invested heavily in the defense. I
thought that the pressure should have been on Nick Ralis.
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But everyone seeings praises of Nick Ralis because he's so creative, this,
so creative that. But now we're looking at it at
fourth quarter performs that are just they can't get off
the field. They consistently can't get off the field in
the second half. Now, you know, was that part of
it you know, the Packers have a good offense, but
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when you have a lead.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It's just the Cardinals. They don't know how to.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Put everything together all at once. They haven't done that
in one a while. Because then you look at offensively
in the fourth quarter, they had a great game on
third down seven for fourteen, but in the fourth quarter
they went over two on third down and for two
on fourth down. And you can look at some can
you can question some of the play calls, like the
fourth and one the QB sneak and that wouldn't work out.
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And my son and I were talking about it during
the game. Is interesting that how the Cardinals insist on
doing like that push pushed style, that immediate rush up
the middle and not like a traditional QB sneak where
you wait a half moment like what Josh Allen does
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and wait for one side to open, get to find
out where the push is coming from, and then go
that way. And so that call, that play didn't work out.
Like I don't know if I would call it a
bad play call, because fourth and one KB sneaks are
successful all over the league, but like that was a
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call that didn't work. The after they scored right before halftime,
and they decided to kick it into the end zone,
and then they promptly two plays later kicked a sixty
one yard field goal. That decision didn't work out. It
just feels like everything that they do fails to work out.
And while Jacoby had a great game, an overall solid game,
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the one thing that he is not he has shown
that in the last two weeks. He is not clutch
at making great plays in the moments they need them.
And that's no knock on Jacoby Prissett. There aren't a
lot of quarterbacks that can do that consistently. But when
they've needed him in those final two drives against Indianapolis
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and Green Bay, he wasn't anywhere that he wasn't on target,
there was nothing there, There was nothing there for him.
He had the one big throw leading to it before that,
but once he got in the red zone, he wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No, he hasn't and and that's, you know, one of
those situations where this this group and what they're doing
is just I don't know, man Like, I don't even
know how to describe it anymore at this point, right
because it's it's consistently the stain. But you you mentioned
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a couple of things, Jess, Like the first thing you
mentioned is the pressure on Rales, right, because they've invested
so heavily in that situation.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And and I get it. They're they're going through the
malaise of mid season injuries. They they've never even had
their first round pick, their their first round pick from
last years coming off with another you know, minor but
injury still, right, And so they're they're guys that they're
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rolling with consistently, are I mean, usually this is a joke, right,
but it's not really a joke. I mean, I think
Kalais Campbell and I were born like a year apart.
Like it's yeah, like I'm literally literally nine months older
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than Klais, like they said. And and by the way,
it's a great story, it is. And I don't want
anybody to take this the wrong way, but if Kalays
Campbell is your best defensive player, that's a problem. It's
one thousand problem. Like it's a cool story, but it's
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a problem. And then on the offense side of the ball,
you kind of mentioned it right, like this was the
first time the last two weeks that they've had their
ideal starting offensive line from last year together. It's it's
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just that there are they. I don't know, is it
the scheme? Like are they just not good? Is it?
I mean, there was an interesting stat I don't know
if you saw it that Blake reposted, or it might
not have been Blake, it might have been a Kent Holder. Yeah,
it was Kent Holter posted. And I don't know if
you saw it. But Jacoby breseets deep ball and Jacoby
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brissets short pass time to throw the exact same time.
So at three seconds, this dude just lets the ball rip.
It doesn't matter. It's either going he's either going deep
or he's or he's checking down. But like that's it.
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And so so it's just it's interesting to say that
this is a group that you know, people wanted to
lamit Tyler's oh he leaves the pocket too fast. But
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I mean, this dude's taken twenty four quarterback hits. I'm
remembering that correctly, right.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Twenty twelve and twelve, both games.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Twenty four quarterback hits in two games. I guess that's
the cool thing, right, You're like, hey, look he stays
in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
He does, but you know, and you look at the
end of game fails, failures that he's had, you know,
that has to play into it, right, Like the amount
of times he's gotten knocked down, whether it is you know,
slightly gun shy or just a little bit off on
his timing as the result of being hit so many
times in the game. That's hard to do. And other
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than the fact that, you know, the Cardinals don't have
a clutch bone in their bodies this day, these days,
whatever it is. They got to two clutch plays in
the first two weeks of the year, although they came
in desperate situations which could have ended up in a loss,
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and since then, the clutch there's been nothing clutch about them.
Kyler Murray led them to fourteen fourth quarter points against
the Seahawks, and defensively they have they've gotten like one
nothing clutch. They've just been a bad defense fourth quarter.
But oh, it's just it's tough. It's tough to be
excited about this team. They're now two and five going
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to the bye and you know, honestly, you know they're
not out like their their hopes aren't no and done,
but they are because the way things look over the
final ten games of the year, if you think that
they have a chance at making the playoffs. They've got
to win ten games. They've got to go eight and
two over their last ten games, and every single opponent
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after the bye has a better record than they do,
every single one. I believe eight of those games are
against team or six of them are with winning records,
two or three with that are at five hundred or
maybe two five hundred and two that are losing records.
Of the final ten games with they have currently at
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two and five, a worse record than every one of
their opponents in the second half of the season, Which
you know, is there anything about what we've seen from
them this year in seven games that makes us believe
that they can go eight and two over the final
ten No, No, so like kind of best case scenario
you're looking at seven wins.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, And that's the thing is like, I you know,
I laughed about the other day. I was joking with
some buddies about it, like you know, the I know
people there's a section and some of it's spearheaded by fans,
some of it's spearheaded by local media. You know that
are like, oh, Jacoby's a better fit, like you fitched? Okay,
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Well then you're gonna go based on what we've seen,
they're gonna go three and fourteen because without Kyler Murray,
they're one in ten in Jonathan Gannon's career. With Kyler Murley,
they're somehow thirteen and seventeen. And if he's if he's
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that bad of a fit and dragging them to thirteen
and seventeen and the guy that's a better fit right
now is zero to two and they're one in ten
with all the better fits, then then it's definitely more
of a coaching problem than it is. And that's and
that's kind of what this whole thing comes down to you, right,
Like you've had two different quarterbacks. The quarterbacks have had
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different results in terms of their success on offense, and
your results in the games are are are almost the same.
There's only one constant and so.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's fourth quarter failures for charter failures. Yeah, let's talk
about that little bit. I'n on the rest of Here podcast,
Best Are Cardinals Talking whim Why is the offense seemingly
better with Jacoby Prissett that's coming next and receups he
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Our Cardinals talk to the web. There's a lot of
reasons why they lost the game, but there's been a
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lot of talk, and in fairness, Jonathan gannons the organization
hasn't waivered Tyler Murray is the guy. Jacoby Brissette is
the backup, but there is certainly a lot of chatter
all over the internet about Jacoby should be the guy
moving forward. And it is hard to deny because, you know,
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those first five games of the season, when the offense
was so inconsistent and sometimes just really bad. Kyler's hasn't
looked in rhythm in the passing game consistently. There's been
there's been stretches where it looks really, really good. Then
Jacoby comes in and the passing game suddenly looks decent.
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The offense moves the ball. They hit four hundred yards
against the Colts three and thirty against the Packers. Why
do you think that it is that the offense suddenly
looks better more often with Brissette.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I think there's a combination of things. One, you know,
we looked at the the overall usage in the first
in those games, you know, again, and we'd have to
extrapolate some of the things like design runs for the quarterback.
I don't think there's been a ton right this year
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versus scrambles. I'd have to I'd have to dive like
deep deep into that one and things of that nature.
But you know, when you when you look at a
couple of things this season, the first thing that really
kind of comes to mind is is you look at
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drop backs, right so, so plays that are designed to
be uh be passes, and they do call more pass
plays with with Jacobe and so I don't know if
that's by design or if that's just a product of
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their being on their fourth and fifth uh runner or
you know running backs right now right like it's it.
That's always a tough thing to to tell so far.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You know, I honest wonder because was the end did
the injuries to Trey Benson and James Connor for Strew
Petsing to start looking at the passing game differently, like
he is so dead set on running the ball and
in establishing the run that it was to the detriment
of the offense as a whole, between the struggles on
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the offensive line and James Connor being a touch a
little bit behind what he was before, Trey Benson not
playing consistently playing in a new role. It was that
insistence of running the ball instead of opening up the
passing game and going with kind of what they've been
doing the last two weeks. I wonder if this had
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been the game plan before then, would we even be
having this conversation because it would have looked better to
begin with.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, and that's a fair question. I mean, I don't
I don't worry about I tried not to look into
the like of of that portion of things because I
try to look into it as how do uh, how
do how do these you know turn out so to speak?
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And what are what with actually happening? And can we
look at it from that perspective? And so you know,
there's there's a couple of things. So in Jacoby's two games,
he's dropped back ninety three times. He has ninety four
on the season, but we all remember the one to
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tip ran an RP, right, So so he dropped back
ninety three times in the last two games for eighty
one attempts. Now that's where it gets interesting because the
eighty one attempts would be only eighty less than Kyler
has in five games. And for the most part, I
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mean again there was a snap in the game. But
for the most part, Kyler has played every snap of
the game of every game, Sance, like I said, the one,
So so you look at it from the drop back
point of view, right, So ninety three dropbacks in two games,
that's you know, forty six and a half drop backs
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a game, so you know, call it forty five ish
for easy math, right, and then Kyler is dropping back
thirty nine times a game, so it's it is, you know,
about seven to eight more pass or more dropbacks in
a game. What's more interesting about that to me is
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that in those games the Cardinals have led right, Like
I guess they were down a little bit, but for
the most part, they've led in those games, right, So
it wasn't like they needed to drop back and continue
to throw. On the other hand, right, it stands the
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Seattle game that it's been the opposite for Kyler. Right,
they've been up and they've been kind of limiting the
So you do wonder where that comes from. And it's
no shock that in the Seattle game, fifty two dropbacks
for Kyler. So the most his most of the season
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was in the game that they trailed for most of
the game and they threw and that was the game
that you know, you and I discussed that they probably
looked the best and I know the stats don't show it,
but that second half he probably had his best performance
of the season. So there was that. The The other
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thing is that Jacoby doesn't move well. Now, he has
avoided some sacks this year, but you know, we just
talked about it. He's been hit twenty four times in
two games. He's been sacked eight times in two games.
Kyler's been sacked sixteen times in five games, and six
of those sacks came in that in that Seattle game.
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And and so but the the stat that kind of
tells the tale, so to speak, is that Jacoby's willing
to sit in there and and take a hit as
he's delivering a pass. And so that's that's the hard part,
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so to speak. And and so he's willing to make
those throws down the field more consistently. So those are
you know, those are a couple of things. It's interesting
to kind of break it down. Again. I don't I'm
not in love with some of these stats and stuff
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like that, because you know when people are like, oh,
the first read, I'm like, well, how do you know
who the first read was, Like, you're not in the
play call, like, but you know first read throws are
roughly the same and things like that. So so it's
it's interesting to look at it. Uh, the draw percentage
is basically the same. Obviously, the average depth of target
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for Jacoby's is three three yards deeper, So that's something
that that makes a difference, right in his numbers being up.
But yeah, so I mean the dropbacks and the attempts
per game skew towards towards Jacoby, so that you know,
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like you said, Begs, the question of like is that
a game plan thing or is that? Uh? Is that? Uh,
this is how that quarterback plays. Now, we can obviously
acknowledge that the running game is not nearly as as
effective without Kyler. That's just the reality of it. But
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you know, it's also been an issue that they've been
without Trey and James Connor, and so so those are two,
you know, things to look at. I thought, I I
honestly was not overly impressed as much as I was
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in Game one with Jacobe. In this game, I thought
this game he I thought he actually held onto the
ball too long trying to make big throws down the
field and in turn took some unnecessary sacks, hits, things
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of that nature. Because it's a fine line. And again
the offensive line was an issue, so I don't want
to take away from that, but it was, you know,
it was one of those situations where he I feel
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like he did I was trying to do almost a
little too much in the game, and that that really
came out obviously in that scramble where he tried to
scramble and then and got hit, sacked and fumbled. You know,
that was that was kind of all on him on
that situation. So those are those are you know, what
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you look at in this is he's a guy that's
gonna sit in the pocket, He's going to push the
ball down the field. He's going to be able to
run those play action passes and dropbacks a little more,
uh consistently, And so again it's it's more of the
concepts that that really kind of are interesting to me,
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you know when you look at it, and and people
can say whatever they want, you know, I don't, I
genuinely don't really care, but uh, Jacoby's got two numbers
that kind of stand out to me. Versus Kyler. And
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these are play calling things. These aren't quarterbacking things. Jacoby's
drop backs thirty three percent are play action, Kyler's are
twenty five. So, you know, not a huge, huge difference,
But where's that differential? Kyler's is twenty five point one?
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Where's that differential? Jacoby's screen percentage is six percent, Kyler's
is fourteen. So again and again, I you know, I'm
not in the game planning systems. I'm not in you know,
all of those. But those aren't Kyler calls, right, Like,
(36:09):
that's not Kyler making the decision to throw a screen.
So why are you calling a screen at over double
the percentage with Kyler that you are Jacoby? And that's
that's a question that you know, I would hope somebody
(36:30):
would be willing to ask, and I know that it'll
never get asked, but like, what what is the point
of that? And by the way, the screens do not
work with Jacoby. He has five completions on six attempts
(36:51):
for negative one yard, And so that's you know, that's
the question. The interesting thing to me, more than anything,
just their play action numbers, like number numbers are really
really really comparable Obviously, Jacoby has played less games, so
(37:15):
we're working more of a percentage base. But to be fair, uh,
Kyler only has six more attempts on play action than Jacoby,
but eighteen completions on twenty eight attempts for Jacoby in
play action, so sixty four point three percent completion for
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one hundred and ninety two yards, so six point nine
yards per attempt. Kyler is twenty four thirty four, so
seventy point six percent completion percentage two hundred and thirty
three yards, just six point nine percent. So that's kind
of where it's at to me, is that the play
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action game that should be utilized at a commiserate percentage
is going to screen game with Kyler, and it's and
it's not for Jacoby. And it's like if if they're
both effective, Kyler slightly more. But if they're both effective
(38:26):
at it, why is one doing it at a higher
clip than the other, Especially when in theory, your run
game is more effective with Kyler because you had and
I'm not even putting Kyler in this portion, your run
game is more effective with Kyler because you had Trey
(38:48):
Benson and James Connor for most of the most of
his five games and this and now you're running play
action with Znovan Bam Knight and Michael Carter and again
not shots at those guys, but just the reality. Right.
So that's that's the question I would have, you know,
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and and and that's the biggest thing to me because uh,
the no play action game so is is off the
eye test, it is exactly what you think. Jakobe pushes
the ball down the field more than Kyler does in
that in that realm, but off of play action, you
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would think that they'd want to get Kyler into more
play action and things like that. And so that's that's
where I would have those questions and want to know
the the schematic reasons behind you know, why are we
not using this more for a guy like Kyler where
you play action, you get him, you know, outside the
(39:55):
pocket and he has choices, and why is that not
happening as much? But you know, at the end of
the day, we're just analysts that watch the games and
we'll comment on it. We're not going to get the
deep dive of those questions and why they're happening.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Colling them next time. The resips Here podcasta past Eric
Cardinal's Talking the Web. Let's do do one little bit
more the good and the bad on the defense. That's
coming next on receups Red. We're back on the Rise
of Here podcast, but Star Cardinals Talking the Web. Time
to talk about the defense again, the good and the bad.
I mean, we know the bad is the fourth quarter,
but there are a couple other things that continue to
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be a thing.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And that is it.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And it happened in the fourth quarter. Like there were
two guys there are kind of two guys against the
Colts where you're like, you gotta you gotta limit them,
like Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren. You guess who hurt
them U, And the same thing would be said about
the Packers Josh Jacobs and Tucker Craft and what happened.
(40:59):
Josh Jacobs scored the game when he touched down. He
had two touchdowns on the afternoon and that's when he
was banged up. Now, he only had fifty five rushing yards,
but he also only had thirteen carries as they were
trying to nurse him through that calf injury, but he
averaged over four yards to carry. He wasn't particularly explosive,
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but he was efficient when he was in the game
because his long of the afternoon was ten yards. He
scored twice. Tucker Kraft had five catches from fifteen to
eight yards and one touchdown. So basically, you know, if
the goal is to limit their best weapons, the Cardinals defensively,
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while some of the metrics look good, you know, two
hundred and sixty two yards is good. Three at ten
on third down is good. You know, they get off
the field they opposed. The offense only had twenty five
minutes and fifty seconds on the field. They they just
don't stop things. They don't stop things when it matters.
(42:05):
They don't start the players that they need to stop.
And interestingly, enough is that that they averaged more for
play than the Cardinals did. It's just that they had
seventeen fewer plays than the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Well, and that goes back to what we've talked about
complimentary football, Jess. And you know, this week, I know
people are riding high on on Jacoby and things of
that nature, but there was, you know, the classic Cardinal thing,
(42:40):
the thing that we've lamented for a long time about this,
this specific iteration of the Cardinals. You come out in
the third quarter and your defense gets to stop they
forced a three and out. Jess, like, holy cow. And
(43:02):
you get a punt and you get the ball back,
and you move the ball a little bit too right.
You go twenty six yards in three plays. You get
a PI Marvin Harrison, and you're in a good spot
and your quarterback fumbles and gives the ball back to
the other team. And that's the complementary football that we
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talk about so often, because they again just couldn't get
it right. After that, the Packers go on to score,
as we know, go or tie the game up at
thirteen thirteen, and then what happens. Shakobe takes them down.
(43:46):
They score. Now it's twenty thirteen. You feeling good again.
The Packers go down and score again. Now it's twenty twenty.
The Cardinals get a field goal, and you're like, okay,
and then they get a stop. They get to stop
and I'm not gonna lament too much about the decision
(44:07):
to go for it on fourth down. I'll lament the play.
I'm sure you would too, right like that play, but
you go for it because, let's be honest, Jess, you
can't trust your defense in the fourth quarter. So you're
saying to yourself, like eh, I really don't want these
guys to get the ball back, right like they get
(44:30):
the ball back. We've seen this song and dance for
four straight weeks. We know what's gonna happen. And and
here's the thing, Jess. They get a stop, they get
it to fourth and two, and they give up a
big play. And that was the beginning of the end
(44:51):
of the game. Like I know, we can I know
we can point to that they had the ball last
for the second week in a row. I know technically
they didn't, but they had the ball ast for the
second week in a row, and they didn't even get
a good play into the end zone at all. We
can talk about that. That can be a conversation. But
just they gave up that fourth down and and now
(45:16):
you're going, okay, we got to just hold them to
a field goal, no big deal. Field goals, no big
and then we were set up for a field goal
to win the game. The only thing you can't do, Jess,
is what give up a touchdown? You cannot give up
a touchdown in that scenario, just three plays to score.
They ran the ball three times and scored. They they
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didn't even they didn't even like play action you once
they ran the ball three times like it was almost
like they gave up that pass to Tucker Kraft by
the way, just like Jess said, the one guy you
can't let beat you in that scenario and you solo
(46:05):
him with a safety at ten yards like that's just
again bad defensive scheme. And and they go three plays,
three run plays for a Touchdow, Come on, you got
to have a little pride, You got I mean something.
(46:26):
And so that's that's the frustration of it. We mentioned
it Kalais again, Dalvin Thomlinson again. But those dudes, here's
the thing. They played fifty five snaps combined. So when
you're only getting fifty five snaps from your best two
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front seven players, the rest of it's going to be
pitiful because.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And pressure wasn't good. They Xavin had the one good
he had the sack looked great on that play, a
very but the only guy they they only hit Jordan
Love twice. And that that's in comparison to the twelve times,
the twelve times that Jacoby Brissette was hit they got to. Uh,
they got to Jordan Love only twice.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Will Johnson had a rough game. The the penalized three times,
although I would say that almost all three. I think
every single one of those penalties that he was called
for was really, really, really questionable. In each instance, it
was almost as if, Oh, the Cardinals have this that
we need to humble him, and so they're like, oh,
(47:35):
we're gonna call it really really close. I didn't think,
honestly any of the flags should have been thrown on him,
But even still, those penalties hurt the team. They only
had honestly, they only had two hands on balls in
coverage and then Kolas Campbell knock going down at the
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line of scrimmage, and so that while they had some good,
like raw numbers, we know that the fourth quarter is bad.
They weren't generating, they weren't generting pressure on the quarterback.
They we didn't get their hands on footballs and they
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let them, and they weren't particularly stout against the run.
So there was not any one thing that they did
well except for get off the field on third down,
although they did fail. They did convert what was it
on on fourth down? They went two for three and
fourth down, so you know, they went three for ten.
(48:39):
They held them to three for ten, but they picked
up another two conversions, so basically it was fifty percent
where they couldn't get off the field.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, and it's just I mean, at the end of
the day, this is always going to come back to something.
And I was talking to a buddy who's a big
Eagles fan that I coach with, and he just kind
of chuckled because he's like, he's like that dude can
game plan the hell out of things when he's got
a great pass rush. Outside of that, he struggles. And
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and that's really what has come down to, right, And
it really.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Has and and you know, and it's not for lack
of trying, because you you go out and you you
get just sweat. You draft you be Channgel Lauie, you
draft Jordan Birch, You trade for and reassigned Varon Browning,
You sign Justin Jones, yes, signed Kalius Campbell, and and
you just can't get anything out of those guys. You
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draft Arius Robinson and Walter You're just not get not
getting what they needed, the need that up front pass
rushing presence consistently, and then it kind of fixes things.
But because you don't, their defense kind of like last
year look better than they actually are.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah, and that's and that's the hard part because it's
so bad. And our buddy Johnny tweeted this out not
too long ago, right, but like, uh, they're literally the
worst defense in the NFL in the fourth quarter. I
mean statistically in almost every single category, they are the worst.
And they've been up the most fourth quarter points. And
(50:26):
you know, now that Kyler is not the quarterback. People
are going, oh, the defense is a problem in the
fourth quarter, when you and I had been saying for
weeks prior, like, hey, this defense in the fourth quarter
is a problem. No, No, they just don't sustain drives
(50:47):
that the defense is on the field too much. They
just you know, they're tired. Okay, So what was the
excuse this week? They had a nine minute advantage in
time of possession, you mentioned it, They ran seventeen more plays,
just seventeen. What is the excuse then, And if you
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couldn't see it five weeks ago when Jess and I
were pointing it out, then you were being willfully ignorant
or looking to find or place blame somewhere else, because
the reality of the situation was it was a problem.
It was problem Game one and we said, yeah, let's see,
(51:34):
you know, maybe they didn't want to show anything, right,
it was a problem game two and you and I
were like, this is kind of a problem. And then
game three we're like, oh, yeah, this is a problem.
Is this is the issue with this team that no, no,
they gotta get a quarterback. All right, Well now they
have your guys's quarterback in there that you wanted to see.
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He's putting up stats and the result. The result is
the exact.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Same, literally, the exact same, losing late.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
By a little bit. You know.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
It's you know, so Jacobe Psett's two losses have been
by what there are there combined nine points, right, eight?
Seven points? Eight points? Yeah, yeah, two cools. And Kyler's
three losses are by a combined.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
Five points five points. Uh yeah. And so it's it's tough, man,
It's been ugly, you know. And again, I think the
biggest one was kind of what you you stated in
this game justin and and that's what people are really
overlooking is that it's it's really hard to win games
(52:53):
when the other team is getting signific effigiantly more yards
per play. So like the Cardinals are running more plays,
they have a much higher time of possession, but the
other team gets more yards when they do run their plays,
(53:15):
Like if that dude's bad, that's that's kind of what
the issue is more than anything else, wouldn't you say
it is?
Speaker 3 (53:22):
And that's one hundred percent it and and and now
we could gripe on from we'll spare you the more
griping what we'd will have. We're planning on one more show.
The Cardinals are on their by it, so there's no
game to prepare for. But we will come later this
week to our mid season report card. Obviously the grades
won't be all that great, but they some of them
won't be terrible. Let's until then that's seth Cox, I'm Jesser.
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Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
As always, we'll be back again, Sue.
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
There's an a Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest
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Root from Cardswire dot com. You us hey, Today's NFL
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Cardinals for episode seven hundred twelve, our review, our reaction
show to the cardinals most recent loss, a third twenty
seven to twenty three loss, add home to the Green
Bay Packers. And it's the same thing. Seth Cox, my
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my co host from Revenge of the Birds dot com.
It's be Nations areas on a Cardinals site, joins me
as he does each week, and Seth it's it's like
the story. It's it's Groundhog Day, isn't it. We can't
not run the same story where play well, fall apart,
lose late. It was it wasn't the Kyler Murray script
(01:19):
and defense script. But it was it was almost identical
to the Indiana and Indianapolis game.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah, and it's, uh, it's interesting to look at it
and see how this is unfolded over the last five
weeks and and the different ways that they found to lose. Right, Like,
we've seen poor offensive showings with with decent defensive efforts
(01:48):
that then and in in catastrophe. We've seen decent offensive
showings with with poor defensive efforts that then end in catastrophe,
you know, And the reality of it is, we haven't
We just haven't seen a complete game all season by
this this group at any level. And it shows whether
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it's you know, the results, it shows whether it's the
the grades that then are given you know, in the media.
It's just the entire thing has been a calamity of errors.
And it goes back to something you and I talked about.
I think it was a couple of weeks ago. But
it's just you know, because again, like you said, it
(02:32):
is groundhog Day. So it's hard to remember when we
talked about this. But you know, good teams find ways
to win games, Bad teams find ways to continually lose,
and teams that we should all have a lot a
lot of questions about find ways to lose the same
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way five weeks in a row.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yes, it was a game in which they led by
a touchdown. Trey McBride had two touchdown catches. Ten catcher
seventy four yards. Jacoby Brissett through two touchdown passes. They
had a decent game froms from Bam Knight fourteen carries
fifty seven yards, and they did well on a lot
(03:19):
of things. They held green Bay to under two to
under three hundred yards of two sixty two third down
three of ten. The Cardinals did have a turnover. They
went seven to fourteen on third down. They had three
hundred and thirty yards. With both games with Jacoby prosstic quarterback,
they surpassed three hundred yards. And it was the only
(03:41):
game that the Packers other than their crazy tie against
the Dallas Cowboys where they had allowed more than three
hundred yards. So there's a lot of things that were good.
But ultimately, let's talk about why did they lose this time?
How did they lose? Where's the blame this time?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
What can we what can we pin our point our
fingers at? What can we go? This is why they lost?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Well, I think it starts at the top, and and
it's really easy to criticize coaches when they lose five
in a row. It really is. But you and I
were talking about this since week one, and it's it's,
you know, the fourth quarter defense. I jokingly tweeted out
during the game, the first fourth quarter punt since week one.
(04:34):
But the reality is that wasn't even good enough, right, Like,
so we have, you know, obviously have to give some
grace in terms of fourth quarter scores. I understand that,
but the the Packers scored fourteen fourth quarter points. Now,
(04:57):
to be fair, was the first play of the fourth quarter,
so they were gonna either score fourteen fourth quarter points
or fourteen third quarter points. But needless to say, that's
neither here nor there, right Like, you can't you can't
give up twenty one second half points and win football games.
(05:18):
That's just it's not a winning formula. And so that's
the easy part. The the hard part is and I
immediately jumped on it in the game, and then you know,
it's always good to have people way smarter than you
(05:40):
discuss things. And David Bactiari, the former All Pro offensive
tackle for the Green Bay Packers, ironically enough right watching
his boys play, basically said what a lot of us
had been you know, you and I and and and
(06:01):
our our group texts have been questioning during the game,
what what the hell was this offensive scheme? What? What
was Why? Why was Jonah Williams on an island against
Michael Parsons? And and I thought Baktiari kind of nailed it,
(06:31):
you know, the the Packers. I know, Paris Johnson technically
gave up a sack against Michael Parsons, but that was
a very you know, that's one that you could you
could say went on Jacoby. But when they flopped Parsons
(06:51):
away from Paris Johnson, you had to adjust your game plan.
You had to. And then they didn't.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And well it's weird because Jonathan Gannon said they didn't
have it like there were some but there weren't like
a lot of one on ones sometimes, I know, Darren
Urban pointed one out is one of the sacks was
Jonah was to push Micah inside to get help from
will Hernandez and Parsons just beat him on the outside. Hey,
(07:24):
but it was weird that Parsons, like I haven't seen
them any one on ones and I don't know how
long and yeah, but yeah you continue, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No you're but that's just it, right, Like, how do
you career high three sacks but it's not even three sacks,
just like, like, don't get me wrong, that's that's a
great game. We've seen Chanler Parsons have what four five
right against against a great left tackle and uh, oh goodness,
the guy's name is escaping me. All of a sudden,
he does the podcast with Will Compton, Geez Taylor Luwan right,
(07:56):
like a really really good.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
That was That was basically the end of the once.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Correct, But but you look at it. He came into
this game. Think about the stress. He came into this
game two and a half sacks, one tackle for loss,
eight quarterback hits. In this game he had three sacks,
four tackle for loss, and five quarterback hits. He like
he doubled to triple all of his production to quintupled
(08:28):
in one category all of his production on the season
in one game. And that was back to Auri's point, right, like, oh,
you know, we had some schemes where plays where we
wanted him to do X, Y or Z. You have
to deviate from the script when a dude is doing
that to you in a game. You can't just keep
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rolling it back and saying like, Okay, this play, he
gets some help, he might get a chip or this. No,
you have to you have to go to something else.
And I talked about this, and I wrote about this,
like it is. It is very uncommon at the high
school level, specifically to play against a game wrecord. It
is is very uncommon. But when you do, when you
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play against a guy that can single handedly take over games,
you gain plan for him. And and the Cardinals are
a fantastically better coaching staff than a very good coaching
(09:35):
staff that I am a part of. However, I don't
think that there's one of us from an offensive or
defensive side of the ball that could have not had
a segment of like, hey, we should probably look to
help on Micah Parsons in this game, Like we should.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
We said, like Jacoby's gonna get killed, like by Parsons
is going to eat him alive. And that's literally what happened.
After getting sacked twice and hit twelve times against the Colts,
he was sacked six times and hit twelve times against
the Packers, and and they simply got home more often.
And a couple of them were just oh my gosh,
(10:19):
that he had no chance. And we see that happened
every once in a while with Kyler Murray as well,
is that there will be a game break where there
is just something simply no hope for him to to
get out of it, even with his escapability. And and yeah,
Michael Parsons had a monster game. I felt that game
was going to be coming, and it just happened to
(10:40):
come the exact week that they that they showed up
in Arizona.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Well and you look at it though, too, Jess, Like,
there are a couple more plays. Nate Tice who again,
I you know, did Blake find out? Uh? Does his
brother work for the Cardinals? I don't remember, But anyways,
you know, Nate Pice sent out a sent out a play.
(11:05):
They're in a they're in a trio bunch formation, right
and they're just running outside zone. It looks like I'm
watching the playback right now, so h but it looks like, yeah,
so they're in a trio bunch. They motion, Yeah, it's
just a actually yeah, it's just a zone play, uh,
(11:26):
and they solo Mi Comparson was with Elijah Higgins like
the Lost and I get it right, Like Tip Ryman's out,
so you got to go with your next guy. But really,
like this is the best defensive player, and well, and
(11:50):
we're gonna are our third tight end that's a a
receiver more than a tight end is going to be
asked to block Mike Caparson solo. Like what are we doing?
Like that's a play where you just go like, Okay,
we're not going to run that this week. Let's get
to the next one. And instead it's like, now we're
(12:10):
going to run this play and you're like wait what
like and and so like those are the things to
me that you can put your finger on because people
want to go, oh, it's it's Tyler's fault. Oh, it's
it's the defense's fault. It's this no no, no, no, no,
no no. When you lose five games in a row,
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it's not an individual or even a unit's fault. It
starts at the top. And and you know, we can
have the conversation about Michael Bidwell whenever we want to,
but it starts at the top. And the top of
the flu chain is Jonathan Gannon, and Jonathan Gannon and
his staff have put together piss poor performances. Now five
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weeks in a row and they put together piss poor
defensive performance is in the fourth quarter for seven straight weeks.
That's unacceptable, especially when you're a defensive head coach, right, Jess.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yes, one of those things that I you know, no
one is talking about. Really, everyone's talked about the pressure
on Drew Petsing entering this year. I remember showing up.
I can't remember what show it was, I whether it's
a radio show or a podcast appearance that I made,
and they asked me, what's the pressure on Drew pets
(13:29):
And I'm like, how much pressure? Like the offense has
been good, Like granted this year it's not been good,
but the last two years the offense was not the problem,
and they had a garbage defense for the last two
years overall, and they invested heavily in the defense. I
thought that the pressure should have been on Nick Ralis.
(13:50):
But everyone seeings praises of Nick Ralis because he's so creative, this,
so creative that. But now we're looking at it at
fourth quarter performs that are just they can't get off
the field. They consistently can't get off the field in
the second half. Now, you know, was that part of
it you know, the Packers have a good offense, but
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when you have a lead.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
It's just the Cardinals. They don't know how to.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Put everything together all at once. They haven't done that
in one a while. Because then you look at offensively
in the fourth quarter, they had a great game on
third down seven for fourteen, but in the fourth quarter
they went over two on third down and for two
on fourth down. And you can look at some can
you can question some of the play calls, like the
fourth and one the QB sneak and that wouldn't work out.
(14:41):
And my son and I were talking about it during
the game. Is interesting that how the Cardinals insist on
doing like that push pushed style, that immediate rush up
the middle and not like a traditional QB sneak where
you wait a half moment like what Josh Allen does
(15:01):
and wait for one side to open, get to find
out where the push is coming from, and then go
that way. And so that call, that play didn't work out.
Like I don't know if I would call it a
bad play call, because fourth and one KB sneaks are
successful all over the league, but like that was a
(15:23):
call that didn't work. The after they scored right before halftime,
and they decided to kick it into the end zone,
and then they promptly two plays later kicked a sixty
one yard field goal. That decision didn't work out. It
just feels like everything that they do fails to work out.
And while Jacoby had a great game, an overall solid game,
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the one thing that he is not he has shown
that in the last two weeks. He is not clutch
at making great plays in the moments they need them.
And that's no knock on Jacoby Prissett. There aren't a
lot of quarterbacks that can do that consistently. But when
they've needed him in those final two drives against Indianapolis
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and Green Bay, he wasn't anywhere that he wasn't on target,
there was nothing there, There was nothing there for him.
He had the one big throw leading to it before that,
but once he got in the red zone, he wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No, he hasn't and and that's, you know, one of
those situations where this this group and what they're doing
is just I don't know, man Like, I don't even
know how to describe it anymore at this point, right
because it's it's consistently the stain. But you you mentioned
(16:54):
a couple of things, Jess, Like the first thing you
mentioned is the pressure on Rales, right, because they've invested
so heavily in that situation.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And and I get it. They're they're going through the
malaise of mid season injuries. They they've never even had
their first round pick, their their first round pick from
last years coming off with another you know, minor but
injury still, right, And so they're they're guys that they're
(17:28):
rolling with consistently, are I mean, usually this is a joke, right,
but it's not really a joke. I mean, I think
Kalais Campbell and I were born like a year apart.
Like it's yeah, like I'm literally literally nine months older
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than Klais, like they said. And and by the way,
it's a great story, it is. And I don't want
anybody to take this the wrong way, but if Kalays
Campbell is your best defensive player, that's a problem. It's
one thousand problem. Like it's a cool story, but it's
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a problem. And then on the offense side of the ball,
you kind of mentioned it right, like this was the
first time the last two weeks that they've had their
ideal starting offensive line from last year together. It's it's
(18:39):
just that there are they. I don't know, is it
the scheme? Like are they just not good? Is it?
I mean, there was an interesting stat I don't know
if you saw it that Blake reposted, or it might
not have been Blake, it might have been a Kent Holder. Yeah,
it was Kent Holter posted. And I don't know if
you saw it. But Jacoby breseets deep ball and Jacoby
(19:09):
brissets short pass time to throw the exact same time.
So at three seconds, this dude just lets the ball rip.
It doesn't matter. It's either going he's either going deep
or he's or he's checking down. But like that's it.
(19:33):
And so so it's just it's interesting to say that
this is a group that you know, people wanted to
lamit Tyler's oh he leaves the pocket too fast. But
(19:59):
I mean, this dude's taken twenty four quarterback hits. I'm
remembering that correctly, right.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Twenty twelve and twelve, both games.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Twenty four quarterback hits in two games. I guess that's
the cool thing, right, You're like, hey, look he stays
in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
He does, but you know, and you look at the
end of game fails, failures that he's had, you know,
that has to play into it, right, Like the amount
of times he's gotten knocked down, whether it is you know,
slightly gun shy or just a little bit off on
his timing as the result of being hit so many
times in the game. That's hard to do. And other
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than the fact that, you know, the Cardinals don't have
a clutch bone in their bodies this day, these days,
whatever it is. They got to two clutch plays in
the first two weeks of the year, although they came
in desperate situations which could have ended up in a loss,
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and since then, the clutch there's been nothing clutch about them.
Kyler Murray led them to fourteen fourth quarter points against
the Seahawks, and defensively they have they've gotten like one
nothing clutch. They've just been a bad defense fourth quarter.
But oh, it's just it's tough. It's tough to be
excited about this team. They're now two and five going
(21:24):
to the bye and you know, honestly, you know they're
not out like their their hopes aren't no and done,
but they are because the way things look over the
final ten games of the year, if you think that
they have a chance at making the playoffs. They've got
to win ten games. They've got to go eight and
two over their last ten games, and every single opponent
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after the bye has a better record than they do,
every single one. I believe eight of those games are
against team or six of them are with winning records,
two or three with that are at five hundred or
maybe two five hundred and two that are losing records.
Of the final ten games with they have currently at
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two and five, a worse record than every one of
their opponents in the second half of the season, Which
you know, is there anything about what we've seen from
them this year in seven games that makes us believe
that they can go eight and two over the final
ten No, No, so like kind of best case scenario
you're looking at seven wins.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Yeah, And that's the thing is like, I you know,
I laughed about the other day. I was joking with
some buddies about it, like you know, the I know
people there's a section and some of it's spearheaded by fans,
some of it's spearheaded by local media. You know that
are like, oh, Jacoby's a better fit, like you fitched? Okay,
(22:51):
Well then you're gonna go based on what we've seen,
they're gonna go three and fourteen because without Kyler Murray,
they're one in ten in Jonathan Gannon's career. With Kyler Murley,
they're somehow thirteen and seventeen. And if he's if he's
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that bad of a fit and dragging them to thirteen
and seventeen and the guy that's a better fit right
now is zero to two and they're one in ten
with all the better fits, then then it's definitely more
of a coaching problem than it is. And that's and
that's kind of what this whole thing comes down to you, right,
Like you've had two different quarterbacks. The quarterbacks have had
(23:38):
different results in terms of their success on offense, and
your results in the games are are are almost the same.
There's only one constant and so.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's fourth quarter failures for charter failures. Yeah, let's talk
about that little bit. I'n on the rest of Here podcast,
Best Are Cardinals Talking whim Why is the offense seemingly
better with Jacoby Prissett that's coming next and receups he
read We're back on the rise of Here podcast, Best
Our Cardinals talk to the web. There's a lot of
reasons why they lost the game, but there's been a
(24:15):
lot of talk, and in fairness, Jonathan gannons the organization
hasn't waivered Tyler Murray is the guy. Jacoby Brissette is
the backup, but there is certainly a lot of chatter
all over the internet about Jacoby should be the guy
moving forward. And it is hard to deny because, you know,
(24:38):
those first five games of the season, when the offense
was so inconsistent and sometimes just really bad. Kyler's hasn't
looked in rhythm in the passing game consistently. There's been
there's been stretches where it looks really, really good. Then
Jacoby comes in and the passing game suddenly looks decent.
(25:00):
The offense moves the ball. They hit four hundred yards
against the Colts three and thirty against the Packers. Why
do you think that it is that the offense suddenly
looks better more often with Brissette.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I think there's a combination of things. One, you know,
we looked at the the overall usage in the first
in those games, you know, again, and we'd have to
extrapolate some of the things like design runs for the quarterback.
I don't think there's been a ton right this year
(25:39):
versus scrambles. I'd have to I'd have to dive like
deep deep into that one and things of that nature.
But you know, when you when you look at a
couple of things this season, the first thing that really
kind of comes to mind is is you look at
(26:02):
drop backs, right so, so plays that are designed to
be uh be passes, and they do call more pass
plays with with Jacobe and so I don't know if
that's by design or if that's just a product of
(26:22):
their being on their fourth and fifth uh runner or
you know running backs right now right like it's it.
That's always a tough thing to to tell so far.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You know, I honest wonder because was the end did
the injuries to Trey Benson and James Connor for Strew
Petsing to start looking at the passing game differently, like
he is so dead set on running the ball and
in establishing the run that it was to the detriment
of the offense as a whole, between the struggles on
(26:59):
the offensive line and James Connor being a touch a
little bit behind what he was before, Trey Benson not
playing consistently playing in a new role. It was that
insistence of running the ball instead of opening up the
passing game and going with kind of what they've been
doing the last two weeks. I wonder if this had
(27:23):
been the game plan before then, would we even be
having this conversation because it would have looked better to
begin with.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, and that's a fair question. I mean, I don't
I don't worry about I tried not to look into
the like of of that portion of things because I
try to look into it as how do uh, how
do how do these you know turn out so to speak?
(27:55):
And what are what with actually happening? And can we
look at it from that perspective? And so you know,
there's there's a couple of things. So in Jacoby's two games,
he's dropped back ninety three times. He has ninety four
on the season, but we all remember the one to
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tip ran an RP, right, So so he dropped back
ninety three times in the last two games for eighty
one attempts. Now that's where it gets interesting because the
eighty one attempts would be only eighty less than Kyler
has in five games. And for the most part, I
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mean again there was a snap in the game. But
for the most part, Kyler has played every snap of
the game of every game, Sance, like I said, the one,
So so you look at it from the drop back
point of view, right, So ninety three dropbacks in two games,
that's you know, forty six and a half drop backs
(29:05):
a game, so you know, call it forty five ish
for easy math, right, and then Kyler is dropping back
thirty nine times a game, so it's it is, you know,
about seven to eight more pass or more dropbacks in
a game. What's more interesting about that to me is
(29:29):
that in those games the Cardinals have led right, Like
I guess they were down a little bit, but for
the most part, they've led in those games, right, So
it wasn't like they needed to drop back and continue
to throw. On the other hand, right, it stands the
(29:53):
Seattle game that it's been the opposite for Kyler. Right,
they've been up and they've been kind of limiting the
So you do wonder where that comes from. And it's
no shock that in the Seattle game, fifty two dropbacks
for Kyler. So the most his most of the season
(30:16):
was in the game that they trailed for most of
the game and they threw and that was the game
that you know, you and I discussed that they probably
looked the best and I know the stats don't show it,
but that second half he probably had his best performance
of the season. So there was that. The The other
(30:41):
thing is that Jacoby doesn't move well. Now, he has
avoided some sacks this year, but you know, we just
talked about it. He's been hit twenty four times in
two games. He's been sacked eight times in two games.
Kyler's been sacked sixteen times in five games, and six
of those sacks came in that in that Seattle game.
(31:04):
And and so but the the stat that kind of
tells the tale, so to speak, is that Jacoby's willing
to sit in there and and take a hit as
he's delivering a pass. And so that's that's the hard part,
(31:28):
so to speak. And and so he's willing to make
those throws down the field more consistently. So those are
you know, those are a couple of things. It's interesting
to kind of break it down. Again. I don't I'm
not in love with some of these stats and stuff
(31:53):
like that, because you know when people are like, oh,
the first read, I'm like, well, how do you know
who the first read was, Like, you're not in the
play call, like, but you know first read throws are
roughly the same and things like that. So so it's
it's interesting to look at it. Uh, the draw percentage
is basically the same. Obviously, the average depth of target
(32:14):
for Jacoby's is three three yards deeper, So that's something
that that makes a difference, right in his numbers being up.
But yeah, so I mean the dropbacks and the attempts
per game skew towards towards Jacoby, so that you know,
(32:35):
like you said, Begs, the question of like is that
a game plan thing or is that? Uh? Is that? Uh,
this is how that quarterback plays. Now, we can obviously
acknowledge that the running game is not nearly as as
effective without Kyler. That's just the reality of it. But
(33:00):
you know, it's also been an issue that they've been
without Trey and James Connor, and so so those are two,
you know, things to look at. I thought, I I
honestly was not overly impressed as much as I was
(33:24):
in Game one with Jacobe. In this game, I thought
this game he I thought he actually held onto the
ball too long trying to make big throws down the
field and in turn took some unnecessary sacks, hits, things
(33:47):
of that nature. Because it's a fine line. And again
the offensive line was an issue, so I don't want
to take away from that, but it was, you know,
it was one of those situations where he I feel
(34:08):
like he did I was trying to do almost a
little too much in the game, and that that really
came out obviously in that scramble where he tried to
scramble and then and got hit, sacked and fumbled. You know,
that was that was kind of all on him on
that situation. So those are those are you know, what
(34:31):
you look at in this is he's a guy that's
gonna sit in the pocket, He's going to push the
ball down the field. He's going to be able to
run those play action passes and dropbacks a little more,
uh consistently, And so again it's it's more of the
concepts that that really kind of are interesting to me,
(34:58):
you know when you look at it, and and people
can say whatever they want, you know, I don't, I
genuinely don't really care, but uh, Jacoby's got two numbers
that kind of stand out to me. Versus Kyler. And
(35:21):
these are play calling things. These aren't quarterbacking things. Jacoby's
drop backs thirty three percent are play action, Kyler's are
twenty five. So, you know, not a huge, huge difference,
But where's that differential? Kyler's is twenty five point one?
(35:44):
Where's that differential? Jacoby's screen percentage is six percent, Kyler's
is fourteen. So again and again, I you know, I'm
not in the game planning systems. I'm not in you know,
all of those. But those aren't Kyler calls, right, Like,
(36:09):
that's not Kyler making the decision to throw a screen.
So why are you calling a screen at over double
the percentage with Kyler that you are Jacoby? And that's
that's a question that you know, I would hope somebody
(36:30):
would be willing to ask, and I know that it'll
never get asked, but like, what what is the point
of that? And by the way, the screens do not
work with Jacoby. He has five completions on six attempts
(36:51):
for negative one yard, And so that's you know, that's
the question. The interesting thing to me, more than anything,
just their play action numbers, like number numbers are really
really really comparable Obviously, Jacoby has played less games, so
(37:15):
we're working more of a percentage base. But to be fair, uh,
Kyler only has six more attempts on play action than Jacoby,
but eighteen completions on twenty eight attempts for Jacoby in
play action, so sixty four point three percent completion for
(37:37):
one hundred and ninety two yards, so six point nine
yards per attempt. Kyler is twenty four thirty four, so
seventy point six percent completion percentage two hundred and thirty
three yards, just six point nine percent. So that's kind
of where it's at to me, is that the play
(38:02):
action game that should be utilized at a commiserate percentage
is going to screen game with Kyler, and it's and
it's not for Jacoby. And it's like if if they're
both effective, Kyler slightly more. But if they're both effective
(38:26):
at it, why is one doing it at a higher
clip than the other, Especially when in theory, your run
game is more effective with Kyler because you had and
I'm not even putting Kyler in this portion, your run
game is more effective with Kyler because you had Trey
(38:48):
Benson and James Connor for most of the most of
his five games and this and now you're running play
action with Znovan Bam Knight and Michael Carter and again
not shots at those guys, but just the reality. Right.
So that's that's the question I would have, you know,
(39:09):
and and and that's the biggest thing to me because uh,
the no play action game so is is off the
eye test, it is exactly what you think. Jakobe pushes
the ball down the field more than Kyler does in
that in that realm, but off of play action, you
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would think that they'd want to get Kyler into more
play action and things like that. And so that's that's
where I would have those questions and want to know
the the schematic reasons behind you know, why are we
not using this more for a guy like Kyler where
you play action, you get him, you know, outside the
(39:55):
pocket and he has choices, and why is that not
happening as much? But you know, at the end of
the day, we're just analysts that watch the games and
we'll comment on it. We're not going to get the
deep dive of those questions and why they're happening.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Colling them next time. The resips Here podcasta past Eric
Cardinal's Talking the Web. Let's do do one little bit
more the good and the bad on the defense. That's
coming next on receups Red. We're back on the Rise
of Here podcast, but Star Cardinals Talking the Web. Time
to talk about the defense again, the good and the bad.
I mean, we know the bad is the fourth quarter,
but there are a couple other things that continue to
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be a thing.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And that is it.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And it happened in the fourth quarter. Like there were
two guys there are kind of two guys against the
Colts where you're like, you gotta you gotta limit them,
like Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren. You guess who hurt
them U, And the same thing would be said about
the Packers Josh Jacobs and Tucker Craft and what happened.
(40:59):
Josh Jacobs scored the game when he touched down. He
had two touchdowns on the afternoon and that's when he
was banged up. Now, he only had fifty five rushing yards,
but he also only had thirteen carries as they were
trying to nurse him through that calf injury, but he
averaged over four yards to carry. He wasn't particularly explosive,
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but he was efficient when he was in the game
because his long of the afternoon was ten yards. He
scored twice. Tucker Kraft had five catches from fifteen to
eight yards and one touchdown. So basically, you know, if
the goal is to limit their best weapons, the Cardinals defensively,
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while some of the metrics look good, you know, two
hundred and sixty two yards is good. Three at ten
on third down is good. You know, they get off
the field they opposed. The offense only had twenty five
minutes and fifty seconds on the field. They they just
don't stop things. They don't stop things when it matters.
(42:05):
They don't start the players that they need to stop.
And interestingly, enough is that that they averaged more for
play than the Cardinals did. It's just that they had
seventeen fewer plays than the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
Well, and that goes back to what we've talked about
complimentary football, Jess. And you know, this week, I know
people are riding high on on Jacoby and things of
that nature, but there was, you know, the classic Cardinal thing,
(42:40):
the thing that we've lamented for a long time about this,
this specific iteration of the Cardinals. You come out in
the third quarter and your defense gets to stop they
forced a three and out. Jess, like, holy cow. And
(43:02):
you get a punt and you get the ball back,
and you move the ball a little bit too right.
You go twenty six yards in three plays. You get
a PI Marvin Harrison, and you're in a good spot
and your quarterback fumbles and gives the ball back to
the other team. And that's the complementary football that we
(43:26):
talk about so often, because they again just couldn't get
it right. After that, the Packers go on to score,
as we know, go or tie the game up at
thirteen thirteen, and then what happens. Shakobe takes them down.
(43:46):
They score. Now it's twenty thirteen. You feeling good again.
The Packers go down and score again. Now it's twenty twenty.
The Cardinals get a field goal, and you're like, okay,
and then they get a stop. They get to stop
and I'm not gonna lament too much about the decision
(44:07):
to go for it on fourth down. I'll lament the play.
I'm sure you would too, right like that play, but
you go for it because, let's be honest, Jess, you
can't trust your defense in the fourth quarter. So you're
saying to yourself, like eh, I really don't want these
guys to get the ball back, right like they get
(44:30):
the ball back. We've seen this song and dance for
four straight weeks. We know what's gonna happen. And and
here's the thing, Jess. They get a stop, they get
it to fourth and two, and they give up a
big play. And that was the beginning of the end
(44:51):
of the game. Like I know, we can I know
we can point to that they had the ball last
for the second week in a row. I know technically
they didn't, but they had the ball ast for the
second week in a row, and they didn't even get
a good play into the end zone at all. We
can talk about that. That can be a conversation. But
just they gave up that fourth down and and now
(45:16):
you're going, okay, we got to just hold them to
a field goal, no big deal. Field goals, no big
and then we were set up for a field goal
to win the game. The only thing you can't do, Jess,
is what give up a touchdown? You cannot give up
a touchdown in that scenario, just three plays to score.
They ran the ball three times and scored. They they
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didn't even they didn't even like play action you once
they ran the ball three times like it was almost
like they gave up that pass to Tucker Kraft by
the way, just like Jess said, the one guy you
can't let beat you in that scenario and you solo
(46:05):
him with a safety at ten yards like that's just
again bad defensive scheme. And and they go three plays,
three run plays for a Touchdow, Come on, you got
to have a little pride, You got I mean something.
(46:26):
And so that's that's the frustration of it. We mentioned
it Kalais again, Dalvin Thomlinson again. But those dudes, here's
the thing. They played fifty five snaps combined. So when
you're only getting fifty five snaps from your best two
(46:46):
front seven players, the rest of it's going to be
pitiful because.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And pressure wasn't good. They Xavin had the one good
he had the sack looked great on that play, a
very but the only guy they they only hit Jordan
Love twice. And that that's in comparison to the twelve times,
the twelve times that Jacoby Brissette was hit they got to. Uh,
they got to Jordan Love only twice.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Will Johnson had a rough game. The the penalized three times,
although I would say that almost all three. I think
every single one of those penalties that he was called
for was really, really, really questionable. In each instance, it
was almost as if, Oh, the Cardinals have this that
we need to humble him, and so they're like, oh,
(47:35):
we're gonna call it really really close. I didn't think,
honestly any of the flags should have been thrown on him,
But even still, those penalties hurt the team. They only
had honestly, they only had two hands on balls in
coverage and then Kolas Campbell knock going down at the
(47:57):
line of scrimmage, and so that while they had some good,
like raw numbers, we know that the fourth quarter is bad.
They weren't generating, they weren't generting pressure on the quarterback.
They we didn't get their hands on footballs and they
(48:18):
let them, and they weren't particularly stout against the run.
So there was not any one thing that they did
well except for get off the field on third down,
although they did fail. They did convert what was it
on on fourth down? They went two for three and
fourth down, so you know, they went three for ten.
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They held them to three for ten, but they picked
up another two conversions, so basically it was fifty percent
where they couldn't get off the field.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, and it's just I mean, at the end of
the day, this is always going to come back to something.
And I was talking to a buddy who's a big
Eagles fan that I coach with, and he just kind
of chuckled because he's like, he's like that dude can
game plan the hell out of things when he's got
a great pass rush. Outside of that, he struggles. And
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and that's really what has come down to, right, And
it really.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Has and and you know, and it's not for lack
of trying, because you you go out and you you
get just sweat. You draft you be Channgel Lauie, you
draft Jordan Birch, You trade for and reassigned Varon Browning,
You sign Justin Jones, yes, signed Kalius Campbell, and and
you just can't get anything out of those guys. You
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draft Arius Robinson and Walter You're just not get not
getting what they needed, the need that up front pass
rushing presence consistently, and then it kind of fixes things.
But because you don't, their defense kind of like last
year look better than they actually are.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah, and that's and that's the hard part because it's
so bad. And our buddy Johnny tweeted this out not
too long ago, right, but like, uh, they're literally the
worst defense in the NFL in the fourth quarter. I
mean statistically in almost every single category, they are the worst.
And they've been up the most fourth quarter points. And
(50:26):
you know, now that Kyler is not the quarterback. People
are going, oh, the defense is a problem in the
fourth quarter, when you and I had been saying for
weeks prior, like, hey, this defense in the fourth quarter
is a problem. No, No, they just don't sustain drives
(50:47):
that the defense is on the field too much. They
just you know, they're tired. Okay, So what was the
excuse this week? They had a nine minute advantage in
time of possession, you mentioned it, They ran seventeen more plays,
just seventeen. What is the excuse then, And if you
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couldn't see it five weeks ago when Jess and I
were pointing it out, then you were being willfully ignorant
or looking to find or place blame somewhere else, because
the reality of the situation was it was a problem.
It was problem Game one and we said, yeah, let's see,
(51:34):
you know, maybe they didn't want to show anything, right,
it was a problem game two and you and I
were like, this is kind of a problem. And then
game three we're like, oh, yeah, this is a problem.
Is this is the issue with this team that no, no,
they gotta get a quarterback. All right, Well now they
have your guys's quarterback in there that you wanted to see.
(51:56):
He's putting up stats and the result. The result is
the exact.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Same, literally, the exact same, losing late.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
By a little bit. You know.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
It's you know, so Jacobe Psett's two losses have been
by what there are there combined nine points, right, eight?
Seven points? Eight points? Yeah, yeah, two cools. And Kyler's
three losses are by a combined.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
Five points five points. Uh yeah. And so it's it's tough, man,
It's been ugly, you know. And again, I think the
biggest one was kind of what you you stated in
this game justin and and that's what people are really
overlooking is that it's it's really hard to win games
(52:53):
when the other team is getting signific effigiantly more yards
per play. So like the Cardinals are running more plays,
they have a much higher time of possession, but the
other team gets more yards when they do run their plays,
(53:15):
Like if that dude's bad, that's that's kind of what
the issue is more than anything else, wouldn't you say
it is?
Speaker 3 (53:22):
And that's one hundred percent it and and and now
we could gripe on from we'll spare you the more
griping what we'd will have. We're planning on one more show.
The Cardinals are on their by it, so there's no
game to prepare for. But we will come later this
week to our mid season report card. Obviously the grades
won't be all that great, but they some of them
won't be terrible. Let's until then that's seth Cox, I'm Jesser.
(53:45):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
As always, we'll be back again, Sue.
Speaker 5 (53:48):
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(54:09):
We'll be back soon for the best hour of Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Talk on the web.
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