September 12, 2025 • 45 mins
The Cardinals face the Panthers in Week 2 at home. Jess and Seth preview the game and make predictions, looking at what the Panthers did in Week 1, what the keys to the game will be, what matchups will matter, and they make predictions for the final score and tell you the best prop bets to make in Week 2.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hello, Arizona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest edition
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nations Arizona Cardinals site, and it is our It's our
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week two preview where we the Arizona Cardinals take on
the Carolina Panthers and their home opener at State Farm
Stadium Sunday afternoon one oh five pm local time. And
if you're not going to be at the game, you
can watch that on CBS. They take on the Carolina
Panthers and in this show we will talk about it.
So Seth and I we reviewed and reacted to the
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Saints game earlier in the week. I had Panthers, who
are contributor Jared Feinberg gone in a show yesterday and
that is ready for you guys to listen to to
get kind of an enemy's perspective, the opposing perspective. But
this is where we talk about our seth this you
know how concerned. I don't know what level of concern
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we should have for this game because it's a home opener,
So there's that they're coming off of an ugly when
the Panthers look terrible in Week one. But the Cardinals
never play the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, no, they haven't. And you know, you look at
it and this is a game that is ripe for
kind of you know, you're looking ahead. You have you
have that division rivalry game looming with a team that's
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likely to be without you know, their their starting quarterback
will be without their all pro tight end, like and
so you look at it and you go, oh, man,
this could be this. We could make some hay and
it's like, no, no, let's just focus on a.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Frisky your business.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes, it's Carolina Panthers team that, like you said, like
historically you have struggled against.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And It doesn't even make sense either that that's the thing,
is like, because it's not like it's the same group.
It's just it's weird, these weird vibes.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They beat Jake de Loom and then they they made
Carson Palmer do a full Jake di Loom. They beat
Cam Newton in his NFL debut back in twenty thirteen
or twenty twelve or whatever that was. Uh, they beat
him again. They beat him in his debut in twenty eleven.
They beat him again in I think it was, Oh,
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that was the game that it was Daryl Washington and
Carlos Dansby on the field at the same time. That was.
I was in Dallas before the ASCU Notre Dame game
for that one, so I remember that one watching it
on the Hotel TV. But yeah, it's just that, well,
let let's start by talking about the Panthers. They were
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Jay were terrible. They were There was nothing good about
that Panthers game. If you're thinking, if you're talking about
the Panthers in Week one, they lose twenty six to
ten to the Jacksonville Jaguars. And when I saw that,
it always is Jacksonville good. And then I looked at
the numbers. I'm like, well, Trevor Lawrence didn't like Trevor
ATN Travis ETN. That is did really well.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The Panthers were bad offensively, three turnovers, bry Bryce Young,
they gave up two hundred rushing yards to the Jags.
And I'm like, okay, okay, that's this is good, especially
when especially when the Cardinals played that ugly game against
New Orleans. This is a game that you could feel
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like might be breakout. But at the same time, and
I'll say this, what what a bummer for the for
the Panthers, for the schedule makers to do that to them,
is that their first two games of the season already
teams season home opener, So they played jat that the
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Jacksonville in their home and their opener. Now they're come
to Arizona, where the Cardinals have their home opener, and
that's always there's an extra energy, there's extra juice, there's
something a little extra for that. That's so that's that
was really unfavorable for the Panthers. Just as favorable as
how this schedule played out for the Cardinals to be
able to start with the Saints than the Panthers and
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to play the Saints, Panthers, Titans, and Colts in their
first six games of the year.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, and you just look at it, right, it just
becomes one of those situations where you got to play
these guys anyways, right, Like, the schedule is the schedule
is the schedule. You know it basically years in advanced
stands one game, right, But for Carolina, you look at
it and you go, man, they just the schedule makers
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just don't necessarily love these these teams that give them
some headaches, right, I mean, Dave Tepper's Dave Tepper's been
a bit of a pain in the tukas and you know,
starting on the road three or four is tough. Obviously
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that Week five game against Miami looks like a little
bit of an easier one now, but it's you know,
it's you're gonna have to play all these teams. Anyways.
They're in a division that is run by the Buccaneers.
But you feel like the Falcons are on a on
the climb up and obviously, as we discussed, the Saints
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are bad. But the question becomes is this a team
that can compete? Right? Like, is this a team that
can do something? With the former first overall pick in
Bryce Young. And you know, a lot of people were
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saying at the end of last year, oh, Bryce Young
is back. I mean, they figured it out, they got
it together. Obviously, he had that excellent game against your
Arizona Cardinals, right and and you look at it and
you go, okay, okay. You know those last those last
what five games it was or four games they went
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two and two. You know, he he goes out and
he throws for over two hundred yards per game, you know,
averages a touchdown a game, throws for eight touchdowns, so
only two interceptions. So you're like, Okay, this guy's on
the right track. I mean, you look at the last
three games against the Cardinals, the Bucks and the and
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the Falcons, and this dude threw for six you know,
six touchdowns, sorry, seven touchdowns and no interceptions. He had
well over you know QB rating like he looked like
he was he was turning a corner. And and then
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you come out and his game wasn't terrible. I Mean,
the first thing we need to acknowledge is that he
didn't play terribly. There were just some issues within the game,
the biggest of which being that his receivers dropped multiple
passes that were good passes, the second of which is
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kind of what you and I will likely focus on
about being the key to the game, and that's that's
stopping Tuba Hubbard. And Hubbard had a bad game. I mean,
there's no other way around it. And after his I
guess we could say career game. I mean, he's had
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some very good games in his career, but his career
game against Arizona Cardinals. He couldn't even play the last
two games last year. Right, you know, he goes for
twenty five carries for one hundred and fifty two yards
and two touchdowns. You know he has he has twenty
nine touches in the game, and you look at it
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and this was a that's that's a lot. I mean,
that's a lot for anybody, but especially a running back.
You know, he's coming off a season where he had
two hundred and ninety three touches in fifteen games. Again,
this dude couldn't get on the field the last two games,
and so you kind of look at it. He I
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know it wasn't three hundred carries, but could he be
having you know, a similar fall off to that, right,
like where you you were just so heavily used, especially
last year. And again, you know this, this is a
guy that's twenty six years old and and you know
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was a fourth round pick. He's coming off a season
which you know, we would probably highlight as his career season.
And it you know, back to back of years where
he's over two hundred carries. You know, he's he's over
five hundred touches in those two years combined. I just
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you know, you do you know what that meant?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
You know, what could it be? It might mirror exactly
what happened to him at Okay State in college because
he had he he led the nation in carries, rushing yards,
and total touches with three hundred and fifty one. And
then the next year he only played seven games, right,
and so now he would have and that's why he
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ended up being a fourth rounder because of the drop
off from twenty nineteen to twenty twelve. Well, okay, that's
not fair. Twenty twenty that was the pandemic year. They
didn't play a full season. But he went from he
went from six point four yards per carry lead and
everything to dropping to four point seven yards per carry
in that in that pandemic year.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, you look at it, Jess, I mean last year,
and again it's a one game sample size. We're gonna
have a lot, a lot more to look at. But
but last year, this is a dude that averaged, you know,
four point eight yards per carry. Anything over four point
five is really good, right, anything over five is excellent.
This this year, and again, one game sample size is
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very tough to figure out.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I mean, especially since James Connor had the same
sort of issues.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Right, Yeah, but three point six yards per carry, And
so you look at it and it's just like, Okay,
you know, this will be something to watch if you're
a Panthers fan.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah. Interesting. The Panthers, though, they have some really good
players all over the field. Jonathan Gannon gushed about so
many they he he sees Bryce Young is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He talked about Chuba's Hubbard and basically how he they
didn't know how to stop him last time. He likes
Ted McMillan. He thinks Robert Hunt is one of the
best guards on the planet. Derek Brown train wrecking Games.
He's a big fan of JC Horn, and then spoke
about the additions of Christian Roseboom at linebacker and Trayvon
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Merrick at safety, and so you look they've got they've
got some right individual talent and you look at that, well,
why were they so awful in Week one?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, like we said, the first thing that happened in
the real like bummer of what all was outside of
Theatric McMillan, the receiving corpse was dreadful, and it is dreadful.
I mean, Xavier Legett has not taken the steps that
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you know, you and I thought he would take it.
We were big look at fans coming out of South Carolina,
and and while I still you know, hope that he
can turn it around, he's almost become more of a
meme than he has a football player, right for his
for his deep Southern accent and his kind of you know,
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different personality traits and the things that he hasn't experienced
in life that have made him kind of an Internet sensation.
I mean, when you get three catches for ten yards
from a first round receiver and you're talking about a
guy that didn't even get to five hundred yards last
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year's rookie, and I know he was three yards away
but couldn't even get to five hundred yards, you look
at it and you're like, this is not the start
to the season that we wanted to see from this guy.
I mean, this is a guy that you needed to
see that next step. You know. For as much hand
ringing over what we saw with Marvin Harrison junior, he
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had a good rookie season, he didn't have a rookie
season where you go, okay, that was an ideal. And
so you know, Hunter renfro is back, But I mean,
is that a big deal. I mean, he's not a
bad player by any stretch of the imagination, but I
mean he's he's an older receiver that catches a lot
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of short passes, you know, So that's that's what the
issue became, you know, and then again getting absolutely nothing
from the running game. It just it made that offense
really really bad in week one. And so that's the
other thing. You know, they were missing ikey Ikwanu. I
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think he's been dealing I don't what is the illness
he's dealing with.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You had an appendectomy right before the season, So maybe
he plays this week. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I mean, that's that's asking a lot. I'm this would
basically be like his you know warm up at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yes, I wonder because he's been limited, but I wonder
if that's just yeah, i'd be I'd be surprised if
he plays. And if he doesn't play, then you like
things even better about the Cardinals because he you know,
between Kwanu and Hunt, those are the two like anchors,
and then everyone else. Moten he's fine, Corbett questionable, Damian
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Lewis who is who's best? Stags are behind him basically.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, And so you look at it. They didn't you know,
they didn't pass protect well, they didn't run block well.
So when you don't do either of those things, it
makes for a long day. And then defensively, you know,
you kind of mentioned it. They've got some like players,
right Obviously j C. Horn is a very talented cornerback.
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You talked about Derek Brown. The hard part is is
that they're a team that's kind of they're a team
that's kind of key smelled together, especially in terms of
the overall how they've built them. And I know there
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are just a year two right like this, this rebuild
is coming along slowly. And again they had the worst
defense in the NFL last year thirty second end points
against they were thirty second in yards, so I mean
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they gave up the most yards out of any team
in the NFL. So like all of that, right, is
what they're looking to improve on. And I know this
is kind of to say, but it's like, hey, twenty
six points is not good, but it's better than last year, right,
And so that's kind of how you have to look
at it right now, you know, because they're just they're
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just not there defensively. I mean you talked about it, right,
two hundred rushing yards is is absurd to give up, which.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
That feels you're like, hmmm, especially the struggles they had
against the run against New Orleans. I'm sure Carolina will adjust,
but to struggle against that Brandon Staely defense to then
be able to look at the Panthers. And it's interesting
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because you remember how a gi or Everro was like
one of the hottest names to like a head coach
and defensive coordinator, and now he's been his defense have
been bad, bad, So it's been an interesting, interesting turn
of events.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, and you look at it, Jess, I mean this is,
like I said, the defense, it doesn't really offer a
whole lot in terms of pass rush, and we saw
last year when you don't when you can't rush the passer,
it makes things very very difficult.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And they didn't get a single sack and they had
one quarterback hit one quarterback hit on Trevor Lawrence last week.
So yeah, this is this is team's gonna that's you
know that. There wasn't much good other than there's some
positive tech. McMillin did look good, like he moved around good. Statistically,
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their free agent editions of Trayvon marrig at safety and
Christian rose Boom at linebacker they were productive, but particularly
as we know with the Cardinals, it's not generally the
best to have your safety, have your have the most tackles.
That generally means that your defense is probably not good
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or you're doing really special things with your safety. And
I don't think they're doing special things with Marek.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't think, no, no, not at all. And and
you know, Marrek has not turned out to be the
player that you know, the Raiders or obviously the Panthers
had hoped he would be. And so those those things
you know, and you look at it. They again, the
past rush was was bad. I mean, this is we're
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talking about we're talking about a team that again you
hit it right, like one quarterback hit no sacks. They
had four hurries as a team. I know people were
slightly disappointed with the Josh Sweat you know debut, but
he had four hurries by himself. So like it's you
know it, Like you said, is it ever ro is
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it the is it the the scheme, is it the talent?
Is it a combination of all of the above. All
that being said, this is a game of the Cardinals
need to win right.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It absolutely is coming to next on the rest of
seri at podcast Best Our Cardinals Talk on the Way,
let's talk about the keys of the game, keys to
victory and the matchups the matter that's coming next on
Rise You Read Put Back on the RIVI site podcast
the Best are of Cardinals Talk on the Web and
the section where we talk about the keys to victory
for the Cardinals and the matchups that we're watching. The
Cardinals take on the Carolina Panthers in Week two at
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State Farm Stadium one one oh five pm local time,
airing on television and CBS. I guess based on what
we saw from the Jaguars against the Panthers, I think
you really have to hit on to run the ball,
run the ball, and run the ball well, because they
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didn't unless like have an adjustment for it. But if
the Jaguars could rush for two hundred yards, you have
to be looking at James Connor and Trey Beenson have
to be looking at this defense and going, I want
to eat, Let's give me the ball, let's do this
and and kind of go from there. And it won't
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be exciting, like it won't be a high flying offense.
But like, if if it's anything how the Jaguars did it,
it will be effective and they'll move down the field.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, and you know people will still complain about it, right,
Like that's what's going to happen if they end up
doing that. But at the end of the day, it
doesn't matter, right, Like, you just want this this offense
to score points. You want them to move the ball,
and you don't want them to set the defense up
to win games. And that's what matters more than anything.
So you know, we'll see how that plays out in
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this one. You know, right now, the key to this
game is is can you continue to make the Panthers
run defense look bad? And if you're able to do
that if you're able to put you know, good games,
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We're not you know, obviously we always want to see,
you know, great games from from treyment or sorry, from
James to Connor and Trey Benson. But if you're able
to get good games, right, like, if you're able to mimic,
to your point, what we saw out of out of
the Jaguars and you know, one hundred and forty three,
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you're probably not going to see a seventy one yard
James Connor run. I quite frankly don't even know the
last time you had a seventy one yard run, right,
But like if any you see a team that puts
together you know, two hundred yards rushing or let's just
say one hundred and fifty plus yards rushing, and it's
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balanced and it's not all off one big play like
we talked about last week, right, that controls the tempo
of the game and then sets up a play action
allows you to do the things you want to do offensively.
That's what That's what to me, the key to this
game is. And it's very easy to say that, but
that's the reality. Because this this is a Carolina team
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that's going to come in and they're gonna be like, Okay,
that was embarrassing last week, Like there's no two ways
about it. So we got to come back and and
show that we're not a joke of a run defense
against you know what has been one of the better
run rushing offenses in the NFL the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yes, another thing like that. The count at the Cardinals
counter with this, if they commit an extra body in
the box, you know who could feast off of that,
Trey McBride. Yeah, and you look at last it's Trevan
Wallace as Jared Finbers like Wallace, one of their linebackers,
played terribly.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, well I was going to bring that up. He was.
He was genuinely bad. And you look at it. Britain
Range led the Jaguars in receiving. Most of you probably
don't even know who that is, but that's that's a
guy that is a you know, a third year rookie
or sorry, a third year tight end. Yeah. He was
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the second round pick in twenty twenty three. So so
I don't want to take like a swipe out of him.
I don't want people think I'm talking negatively about him.
But he's not on the same level as as Trade McBride.
I mean, and this is a guy that had four
catches for fifty nine yards last week. I mean, he
was he was right around his career high. And so
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if you're doing that with Brenton Strange, like you said,
oh man, this is a this is a Trade McBride
feast game. Especially like you said, if they have to,
if they have to find a way to stop the run.
And it's ironic because they have a great run defender
in A'shawn Robinson along the line right they have a
guy and Derek Brown who you've talked about, like just
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a dominant force in the middle. And so that alone
you just feel like, well they should be able to
stop the run. But their edges, the edge right edge
DJ one them has not been playing well. Pat Jones,
I don't I'm not familiar with Pat Jones game. I'm
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not even gonna like try to lie about that, like
I don't know, you know, I'm not familiar with him.
If if we're being completely fair, but like Nick s Gordon,
a guy we talked about quite a bit in Princely,
the Edge from Florida, Princely barely played and so and
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he didn't. He didn't come in on a single run defense.
That's and so the point being, if you've got guys
like like DJ one them and Pat Jones who are
struggling that bad on the against the run, and you've
got this, you know, this third round rookie, I believe
Princely was right, and you've got this guy and you're like,
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he's not ready that that speaks volumes and Nick Scourt
and a guy that I love coming out. You know,
he struggled against the run in this game. So you
look at it, you know, you do look at it,
and you go, huh, if every single edge defender is struggling,
maybe it is the scheme.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
That would have That is something that is something for sure.
I think there are two premier like exciting matchups to
watch because it's skill players, and you've got him on
on both sides of both the Cardinals and the and
the Panthers, because on one side you've got Marvin Harrison
against J. C. Horn and on the other side you've
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got Ted McMillan against potentially Will Johnson, which you get
the two rookies really they're really long, really good, and
then you get mar versus JC to see how that
plays out. That'll be that'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, And this is, you know, that's a that's an
interesting matchup. The one I'm looking at right now and
you kind of intimated at it earlier, Jess, is that
you know the the Panthers offense, they they could not
I saidn't. I shouldn't say could not. They did not
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block well. Yosh Ninjmun, I believe is the young gentleman's
name that played left tackle for them in this game. Yeah,
he was bad man, especially trying to protect Bryce Young's
blind side. And again, Josh, what for four hurries in
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the first game? Baron Browning a sack in the first game?
Bryce Young can move. We know that he's got some escapability.
But can the Cardinals pass rushers that they've paid this
offseason Browning, you know, to return and Josh schwat for
a nice sized contract. Can they take advantage if Ninjaman
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is still in the game over eke ikey at Kwantu.
And by the way, if ikey Akwanu is in the game,
can they take advantage of the fact that this guy's
returning from having an appendectomy? And probably based on my
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small knowledge of appendectomy returns. You know, usually you're like
four to six weeks on that, so like can they
take advantage of that? Those are questions that that should
be interesting to watch because the Cardinals pass rush last
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week was not great, but as we talked about, the
Saints made it a very large focus to not allow
the Cardinals to get to Spencer Ratler consistently. And so
those you know, that's something to watch and see how
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that that goes in that situation.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, any other matchups or keys that that you can think.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, I think you always always in you know
the back of your mind, especially since that was game
sixteen last year. I believe h fifteen sixteen right last
year between fifteen between the Cardinals and the Panthers that effectively,
you know, eliminated them from the playoffs. I think you're
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always looking at that two hundred yards of rushing offense
and you're going, Okay, that can't happen again, right, So
don't let Shuba Hubbard beat you. How does the how
do how do the new defensive lineman and then obviously
Mac Wilson and Keem Davis gaither or if they're going
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to continue to utilize a rabbit in a in a
heavy role. How did those guys react to that, because,
like we said, that was that was a bad one
last year. And and we know that the rush offense
or the rush defense last year was porous, but that
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was that was a really you know, that was a
kick in the in the you know what last year
in a in a pivotal game that could have set
them up to still be in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
How about next on the Rise of Hered podcast, Mister
Cardinal's Talk on the Web, Let's move to the final
segment where we make our picks, predictions and talk about
some prop bets that we like. That's coming on next
to Rise ups.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You read.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Back on the Rise of Here at podcasts Best our
Cardinals talk on the web, continuing with our previews the
Cardinals and Panthers. But this time is when I make
our when we make our projections. I know things didn't
look good last week. Ultimately they came away with a
win and a cover that with the under. I look
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at the Cardinals last year when they won, they generally
won big. They had five of their five of their
eight wins were by double digits, and six of their
eight wins they scored twenty eight or more points, and
so is it is it wrong to predict kind of
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the blowout or kind of the quasi blowout where where
they win by were they win by at least ten?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I mean, that's the hope in this one. But the
under is at least on Fandal's heavily favored. The over
is almost even numbers at forty four and a half?
Is that the Cardinals? Is that the Panthers? Is that
a combination of the two? You know, it's minus one
o two the unders at minus one twenty, So we're
just talking about a little bit of big there. The
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Cardinals at minus six and a half are the you know,
the betting papers minus one fifteen plus six and a
half for the Panthers, and the Panthers cover again close
to even money, uh, minus one of five. I think
this is just an indication of like the first week,
right you look at you look at a Cardinals team
that you know, you and I talked about it on
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on Tuesday Jess about it looked like they were basically
playing a preseason game, right, like, it was not an
impressive win, and then we got the numbers, and by
the numbers, I mean the actual like informative of numbers,
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the numbers that tell us like how often they blitzed,
uh where you know, where they were aggressive, where they
were you know, those type of numbers. And and they
blitzed probably the lowest that I can remember in terms
of game from Jonathan Gannon at the least amount. And
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and they didn't push the in the envelope much offensively,
and they were very you know, content in saying like,
we don't think Spencer Ratler is going to beat us,
and you know, did it almost backfire? Sure, But like
you said, they won, They covered, and they got out
(33:49):
of there mostly unscathed. Obviously, Tip Ryman dealing with a
foot issue something to watch, but that's not going to
affect like, you know much, right, Like I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That he's an important part of the run game. But
then again, Travis, they they do really like Travis Voklick
in that sortain same sort of role. So he's fierce.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
But by the way, I haven't looked at m BET
MGM today, But the rushing props for the Cardinals are
not available right now.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well let me they were, they were this afternoon. The
rushing props up. They do have them. They do have them.
On bet MGM.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
So everything we go off of right now, and I'll
pull that up as well. Uh, we'll be off of
bet MGM. Actually, Fandel's numbers right now are pretty awful.
They don't they only have Michael Wilson receiving yards numbers.
They only have passing yards and touchdowns uh in the
game for for the quarterbacks. Uh So, like they don't
(34:51):
even have uh T mac. They don't have Marmat Harrison Junior.
They do have a Yeah, they do have a trade
McBride longest reception U over or under nineteen and a half.
I would take the over on that. I know, I
know it's not necessarily like his game, but I think that,
like we talked about, you know, going up against a
(35:12):
defense that the struggle Trevin Wallace struggled in Game one.
Obviously we know with the how much of a focal
point McBride is in their passing offense. I like that,
especially at minus one oh four. It gives you a
little juice going into that one.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Let's start with with the game predictions. I think I'm
gonna go with I think on on my on the
other show, I said twenty seventeen, I'm gonna say it's
gonna be it's gonna be twenty eight to thirteen Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, it's really hard to to like take them seriously, right,
the Panthers, because they.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They just classic, classic trap game. I mean like, look,
just looking at the numbers, is that ninety five percent
of the money line bets are on the Cardinals, in
seventy eight percent of the spread bets on the Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So and again, we don't like that, like you know,
we've we're just that's just not how we like to
do things here at you know, the Rise Up Sea
Red podcast, because it's just not something that we're used to.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
So nope, but how do you how do you predict?
I got twenty eight thirteen, which where are you going?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I'm gonna go thirty to seventeen Cardinals when I
think you're you're kind of right. I wouldn't be surprised
if it was thirty to ten and they score a
late one. But you know, that's that's how I look
at this. It's it's just you know, until until they
you know, I don't want to say beat the Cardinals,
(36:46):
but until they come out and play really well, like
you're gonna be like, Okay, let's see something before we
we give them too much creditor or buy them too much.
I mean last week was just such a crap show, man, Like,
it was not a per game for them.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh so you you like the over in this game,
and I'm leaning cord the under, although it sounds like
you think it'll stay under until the very end and
you get the lay, bad bad beat going probably.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Right, And so that's the thing is like the under
is probably the smarter play in this one. Like, but
I could see the Cardinals, you know, in typical gracious
fashion allowing allowing them to score one more time.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So my I think my favorite player prop is just
I don't know why it's so low. But they have
Bryce Young rushing total at fifteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, to hammer that over, man and.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So and if you want, oh we can't get they
don't have They don't have any for him for alternate
rushing yards. But I would I would hit twenty five
at least. Yeah, it's gonna stay at the round fifteen,
go over fifteen and a half and then ladder that
you'll you'll get plus money on twenty five plus for sure.
(38:12):
And then for the Cardinals, James Connor is at sixty
four and a half with Benson. You know, I think
I like the Benson one better. It's thirty three and
a half for him, and you can get you can
get him at fifty plus for plus one eighty five,
So I think that might be the value one is
(38:33):
to go Benson over thirty three and a half and
plus eighty plus one eighty five for fifty plus.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, I like that quite a bit. I mean, it's
always tough after game one. You know, Connor only at
thirty nine yards, Benson had sixty nine yards, so you
look at it and go, okay, Truba Hubbard with only
fifty seven yards, he's over under said at sixty four
and a half, the overs the better or like the
worst odds right minus tent eighteen, So that means they
(39:01):
think that he's going to clear that one. But I'm
with you on the backups. Rico Daddle over seventeen and
a half. He only had twelve in the first game,
but he only got three carries. That was kind of
odd too, and and part of that was they just
played so poorly that they you know, got out to
such a bad start. So so that's one to watch.
(39:22):
I like that one. Are we gonna are we gonna
stay until they till they make an adjustment on the
on the Murray uh yardage week to week twenty six
and a half seems like an easy an easy yes
again after he was just so effortless to get there
last week.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, they just yeah, they'll they'll adjust that at
some point. And the weird thing like on BETAMGM, it's
it's longer odds on the under. It's minus won ten
for over twenty six and a half and minus won
eighteen for the under. Why why what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's an odd one? So you know the other one player?
Uh wait, where did I have lost? The touchdown passes?
There they are passing touchdowns. It's definitely let me go
back real quick. Yeah, it's definitely better on bet MGM.
(40:22):
Right now, it's plus money on bet MGM plus one
oh five for Murray over one and a half. Yeah,
fandom has them at minus one o eight. So you again,
you know ten bucks, you get ten to fifty instead
of you know, ten bucks, you get nine to twenty,
right like or nine to eighty. I think, so like
(40:42):
that's that's the way to look at that. There what
do we think of Bryce young Man, Like, is is
it gonna be two passing touchdowns? We both have them
scoring two touchdowns? So is it gonna be too well,
I guess you you change.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I have just one.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I got thirteen too, But but you know, that's an
interesting one because it is such good odds plus one
eighty like those are. Yeah, that's an interesting one to put.
You know, like I said, you put five on it,
you win nine, and you basically cover all your other
bets for the day. Right.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, though, you know, if you wanted to go with
the two plus touchdowns, this is the one I'm going.
James Connor. Yeah, James Connor two plus for two plus
two forty. I mean it's not great, it's not great,
but it's like it feels like an easy one, right.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And then the last one that I like in this
one and it's just you know, I don't know what
to make of the lines yet, but fifty eight and
a half for t Mac I would go the over
on that. I think they're still struggling to figure out
what the Panthers have. So you look at that and
you go, they're gonna be down, They're gonna roll the
(42:00):
ball take the over on t max numbers.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah, that makes sense. Honestly, the Marvin Harrison fifty four
and a half that seems kind of low.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
That seems low. I'm with you, man, sixty three and
a half on Trey I wouldn't touch that's.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, that's just kind of a sweet spot. Though if
like what I kind of like kind of it might
be worth just the just the bet because the over
six and a half receptions is plus one ten.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I know I was looking at that too. Man, that's
a juicy one.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
But if we don't think, if we don't like the
sixty three and a half right then, but we also
think that if they're going to load up to stop
the run, that McBride's going to be open for days exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
So it's going to be interesting to see how they
go about this. This is going to be one to
kind of monitor, man, because these these odds. I don't
there's nothing that I'm overly feel strongly about outside of
outside of the young guys overs on their on their
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receiving yards and the Murray rushing yards.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right now, yeh, the kicking. The kicking props are not great.
Although you can get Ryan Fitzgerald over one and a
half field goals made, which I have him scoring thirteen points,
so that would make sense. But you get even money
plus one hundred on over one and a half. But nothing,
nothing for Ryland is worth looking at for this one.
(43:33):
It's that they're just normal things that there's no extra
reason why you'd want to look at that, because the
best thing you get is even money on Fitzgerald. So yep,
and with that, with that, we'll go ahead and wrap
things up. That wraps up this edition of the Rise
of is here and podcast mist of Carlos Talk on
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be back next week to talk about the what was
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we will have hopefully two more shows as I'll try
to get Kyle Matson on from Niners Wire to preview
the game, and Seth and I will preview the game
that But until then, that's Seth Cox. I'm just ruthe.
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week two preview where we the Arizona Cardinals take on
the Carolina Panthers and their home opener at State Farm
Stadium Sunday afternoon one oh five pm local time. And
if you're not going to be at the game, you
can watch that on CBS. They take on the Carolina
Panthers and in this show we will talk about it.
So Seth and I we reviewed and reacted to the
(01:14):
Saints game earlier in the week. I had Panthers, who
are contributor Jared Feinberg gone in a show yesterday and
that is ready for you guys to listen to to
get kind of an enemy's perspective, the opposing perspective. But
this is where we talk about our seth this you
know how concerned. I don't know what level of concern
(01:37):
we should have for this game because it's a home opener,
So there's that they're coming off of an ugly when
the Panthers look terrible in Week one. But the Cardinals
never play the Panthers.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, no, they haven't. And you know, you look at
it and this is a game that is ripe for
kind of you know, you're looking ahead. You have you
have that division rivalry game looming with a team that's
(02:11):
likely to be without you know, their their starting quarterback
will be without their all pro tight end, like and
so you look at it and you go, oh, man,
this could be this. We could make some hay and
it's like, no, no, let's just focus on a.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Frisky your business.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yes, it's Carolina Panthers team that, like you said, like
historically you have struggled against.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And It doesn't even make sense either that that's the thing,
is like, because it's not like it's the same group.
It's just it's weird, these weird vibes.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They beat Jake de Loom and then they they made
Carson Palmer do a full Jake di Loom. They beat
Cam Newton in his NFL debut back in twenty thirteen
or twenty twelve or whatever that was. Uh, they beat
him again. They beat him in his debut in twenty eleven.
They beat him again in I think it was, Oh,
(03:10):
that was the game that it was Daryl Washington and
Carlos Dansby on the field at the same time. That was.
I was in Dallas before the ASCU Notre Dame game
for that one, so I remember that one watching it
on the Hotel TV. But yeah, it's just that, well,
let let's start by talking about the Panthers. They were
(03:31):
Jay were terrible. They were There was nothing good about
that Panthers game. If you're thinking, if you're talking about
the Panthers in Week one, they lose twenty six to
ten to the Jacksonville Jaguars. And when I saw that,
it always is Jacksonville good. And then I looked at
the numbers. I'm like, well, Trevor Lawrence didn't like Trevor
ATN Travis ETN. That is did really well.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The Panthers were bad offensively, three turnovers, bry Bryce Young,
they gave up two hundred rushing yards to the Jags.
And I'm like, okay, okay, that's this is good, especially
when especially when the Cardinals played that ugly game against
New Orleans. This is a game that you could feel
(04:18):
like might be breakout. But at the same time, and
I'll say this, what what a bummer for the for
the Panthers, for the schedule makers to do that to them,
is that their first two games of the season already
teams season home opener, So they played jat that the
(04:39):
Jacksonville in their home and their opener. Now they're come
to Arizona, where the Cardinals have their home opener, and
that's always there's an extra energy, there's extra juice, there's
something a little extra for that. That's so that's that
was really unfavorable for the Panthers. Just as favorable as
how this schedule played out for the Cardinals to be
able to start with the Saints than the Panthers and
(05:03):
to play the Saints, Panthers, Titans, and Colts in their
first six games of the year.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, and you just look at it, right, it just
becomes one of those situations where you got to play
these guys anyways, right, Like, the schedule is the schedule
is the schedule. You know it basically years in advanced
stands one game, right, But for Carolina, you look at
it and you go, man, they just the schedule makers
(05:31):
just don't necessarily love these these teams that give them
some headaches, right, I mean, Dave Tepper's Dave Tepper's been
a bit of a pain in the tukas and you know,
starting on the road three or four is tough. Obviously
(05:55):
that Week five game against Miami looks like a little
bit of an easier one now, but it's you know,
it's you're gonna have to play all these teams. Anyways.
They're in a division that is run by the Buccaneers.
But you feel like the Falcons are on a on
the climb up and obviously, as we discussed, the Saints
(06:17):
are bad. But the question becomes is this a team
that can compete? Right? Like, is this a team that
can do something? With the former first overall pick in
Bryce Young. And you know, a lot of people were
(06:42):
saying at the end of last year, oh, Bryce Young
is back. I mean, they figured it out, they got
it together. Obviously, he had that excellent game against your
Arizona Cardinals, right and and you look at it and
you go, okay, okay. You know those last those last
what five games it was or four games they went
(07:05):
two and two. You know, he he goes out and
he throws for over two hundred yards per game, you know,
averages a touchdown a game, throws for eight touchdowns, so
only two interceptions. So you're like, Okay, this guy's on
the right track. I mean, you look at the last
three games against the Cardinals, the Bucks and the and
(07:27):
the Falcons, and this dude threw for six you know,
six touchdowns, sorry, seven touchdowns and no interceptions. He had
well over you know QB rating like he looked like
he was he was turning a corner. And and then
(07:49):
you come out and his game wasn't terrible. I Mean,
the first thing we need to acknowledge is that he
didn't play terribly. There were just some issues within the game,
the biggest of which being that his receivers dropped multiple
passes that were good passes, the second of which is
(08:13):
kind of what you and I will likely focus on
about being the key to the game, and that's that's
stopping Tuba Hubbard. And Hubbard had a bad game. I mean,
there's no other way around it. And after his I
guess we could say career game. I mean, he's had
(08:35):
some very good games in his career, but his career
game against Arizona Cardinals. He couldn't even play the last
two games last year. Right, you know, he goes for
twenty five carries for one hundred and fifty two yards
and two touchdowns. You know he has he has twenty
nine touches in the game, and you look at it
(08:59):
and this was a that's that's a lot. I mean,
that's a lot for anybody, but especially a running back.
You know, he's coming off a season where he had
two hundred and ninety three touches in fifteen games. Again,
this dude couldn't get on the field the last two games,
and so you kind of look at it. He I
(09:23):
know it wasn't three hundred carries, but could he be
having you know, a similar fall off to that, right,
like where you you were just so heavily used, especially
last year. And again, you know this, this is a
guy that's twenty six years old and and you know
(09:50):
was a fourth round pick. He's coming off a season
which you know, we would probably highlight as his career season.
And it you know, back to back of years where
he's over two hundred carries. You know, he's he's over
five hundred touches in those two years combined. I just
(10:14):
you know, you do you know what that meant?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
You know, what could it be? It might mirror exactly
what happened to him at Okay State in college because
he had he he led the nation in carries, rushing yards,
and total touches with three hundred and fifty one. And
then the next year he only played seven games, right,
and so now he would have and that's why he
(10:38):
ended up being a fourth rounder because of the drop
off from twenty nineteen to twenty twelve. Well, okay, that's
not fair. Twenty twenty that was the pandemic year. They
didn't play a full season. But he went from he
went from six point four yards per carry lead and
everything to dropping to four point seven yards per carry
in that in that pandemic year.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, you look at it, Jess, I mean last year,
and again it's a one game sample size. We're gonna
have a lot, a lot more to look at. But
but last year, this is a dude that averaged, you know,
four point eight yards per carry. Anything over four point
five is really good, right, anything over five is excellent.
This this year, and again, one game sample size is
(11:22):
very tough to figure out.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
But I mean, especially since James Connor had the same
sort of issues.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Right, Yeah, but three point six yards per carry, And
so you look at it and it's just like, Okay,
you know, this will be something to watch if you're
a Panthers fan.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah. Interesting. The Panthers, though, they have some really good
players all over the field. Jonathan Gannon gushed about so
many they he he sees Bryce Young is dangerous.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
He talked about Chuba's Hubbard and basically how he they
didn't know how to stop him last time. He likes
Ted McMillan. He thinks Robert Hunt is one of the
best guards on the planet. Derek Brown train wrecking Games.
He's a big fan of JC Horn, and then spoke
about the additions of Christian Roseboom at linebacker and Trayvon
(12:22):
Merrick at safety, and so you look they've got they've
got some right individual talent and you look at that, well,
why were they so awful in Week one?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, like we said, the first thing that happened in
the real like bummer of what all was outside of
Theatric McMillan, the receiving corpse was dreadful, and it is dreadful.
I mean, Xavier Legett has not taken the steps that
(12:59):
you know, you and I thought he would take it.
We were big look at fans coming out of South Carolina,
and and while I still you know, hope that he
can turn it around, he's almost become more of a
meme than he has a football player, right for his
for his deep Southern accent and his kind of you know,
(13:24):
different personality traits and the things that he hasn't experienced
in life that have made him kind of an Internet sensation.
I mean, when you get three catches for ten yards
from a first round receiver and you're talking about a
guy that didn't even get to five hundred yards last
(13:45):
year's rookie, and I know he was three yards away
but couldn't even get to five hundred yards, you look
at it and you're like, this is not the start
to the season that we wanted to see from this guy.
I mean, this is a guy that you needed to
see that next step. You know. For as much hand
ringing over what we saw with Marvin Harrison junior, he
(14:10):
had a good rookie season, he didn't have a rookie
season where you go, okay, that was an ideal. And
so you know, Hunter renfro is back, But I mean,
is that a big deal. I mean, he's not a
bad player by any stretch of the imagination, but I
mean he's he's an older receiver that catches a lot
(14:34):
of short passes, you know, So that's that's what the
issue became, you know, and then again getting absolutely nothing
from the running game. It just it made that offense
really really bad in week one. And so that's the
other thing. You know, they were missing ikey Ikwanu. I
(14:57):
think he's been dealing I don't what is the illness
he's dealing with.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You had an appendectomy right before the season, So maybe
he plays this week. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I mean, that's that's asking a lot. I'm this would
basically be like his you know warm up at this point, right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yes, I wonder because he's been limited, but I wonder
if that's just yeah, i'd be I'd be surprised if
he plays. And if he doesn't play, then you like
things even better about the Cardinals because he you know,
between Kwanu and Hunt, those are the two like anchors,
and then everyone else. Moten he's fine, Corbett questionable, Damian
(15:40):
Lewis who is who's best? Stags are behind him basically.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, And so you look at it. They didn't you know,
they didn't pass protect well, they didn't run block well.
So when you don't do either of those things, it
makes for a long day. And then defensively, you know,
you kind of mentioned it. They've got some like players,
right Obviously j C. Horn is a very talented cornerback.
(16:08):
You talked about Derek Brown. The hard part is is
that they're a team that's kind of they're a team
that's kind of key smelled together, especially in terms of
the overall how they've built them. And I know there
(16:30):
are just a year two right like this, this rebuild
is coming along slowly. And again they had the worst
defense in the NFL last year thirty second end points
against they were thirty second in yards, so I mean
(16:50):
they gave up the most yards out of any team
in the NFL. So like all of that, right, is
what they're looking to improve on. And I know this
is kind of to say, but it's like, hey, twenty
six points is not good, but it's better than last year, right,
And so that's kind of how you have to look
at it right now, you know, because they're just they're
(17:12):
just not there defensively. I mean you talked about it, right,
two hundred rushing yards is is absurd to give up, which.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
That feels you're like, hmmm, especially the struggles they had
against the run against New Orleans. I'm sure Carolina will adjust,
but to struggle against that Brandon Staely defense to then
be able to look at the Panthers. And it's interesting
(17:44):
because you remember how a gi or Everro was like
one of the hottest names to like a head coach
and defensive coordinator, and now he's been his defense have
been bad, bad, So it's been an interesting, interesting turn
of events.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, and you look at it, Jess, I mean this is,
like I said, the defense, it doesn't really offer a
whole lot in terms of pass rush, and we saw
last year when you don't when you can't rush the passer,
it makes things very very difficult.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And they didn't get a single sack and they had
one quarterback hit one quarterback hit on Trevor Lawrence last week.
So yeah, this is this is team's gonna that's you
know that. There wasn't much good other than there's some
positive tech. McMillin did look good, like he moved around good. Statistically,
(18:44):
their free agent editions of Trayvon marrig at safety and
Christian rose Boom at linebacker they were productive, but particularly
as we know with the Cardinals, it's not generally the
best to have your safety, have your have the most tackles.
That generally means that your defense is probably not good
(19:06):
or you're doing really special things with your safety. And
I don't think they're doing special things with Marek.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't think, no, no, not at all. And and
you know, Marrek has not turned out to be the
player that you know, the Raiders or obviously the Panthers
had hoped he would be. And so those those things
you know, and you look at it. They again, the
past rush was was bad. I mean, this is we're
(19:31):
talking about we're talking about a team that again you
hit it right, like one quarterback hit no sacks. They
had four hurries as a team. I know people were
slightly disappointed with the Josh Sweat you know debut, but
he had four hurries by himself. So like it's you
know it, Like you said, is it ever ro is
(19:52):
it the is it the the scheme, is it the talent?
Is it a combination of all of the above. All
that being said, this is a game of the Cardinals
need to win right.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It absolutely is coming to next on the rest of
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(20:27):
State Farm Stadium one one oh five pm local time,
airing on television and CBS. I guess based on what
we saw from the Jaguars against the Panthers, I think
you really have to hit on to run the ball,
run the ball, and run the ball well, because they
(20:49):
didn't unless like have an adjustment for it. But if
the Jaguars could rush for two hundred yards, you have
to be looking at James Connor and Trey Beenson have
to be looking at this defense and going, I want
to eat, Let's give me the ball, let's do this
and and kind of go from there. And it won't
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be exciting, like it won't be a high flying offense.
But like, if if it's anything how the Jaguars did it,
it will be effective and they'll move down the field.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, and you know people will still complain about it, right,
Like that's what's going to happen if they end up
doing that. But at the end of the day, it
doesn't matter, right, Like, you just want this this offense
to score points. You want them to move the ball,
and you don't want them to set the defense up
to win games. And that's what matters more than anything.
So you know, we'll see how that plays out in
(21:46):
this one. You know, right now, the key to this
game is is can you continue to make the Panthers
run defense look bad? And if you're able to do
that if you're able to put you know, good games,
(22:08):
We're not you know, obviously we always want to see,
you know, great games from from treyment or sorry, from
James to Connor and Trey Benson. But if you're able
to get good games, right, like, if you're able to mimic,
to your point, what we saw out of out of
the Jaguars and you know, one hundred and forty three,
(22:30):
you're probably not going to see a seventy one yard
James Connor run. I quite frankly don't even know the
last time you had a seventy one yard run, right,
But like if any you see a team that puts
together you know, two hundred yards rushing or let's just
say one hundred and fifty plus yards rushing, and it's
(22:51):
balanced and it's not all off one big play like
we talked about last week, right, that controls the tempo
of the game and then sets up a play action
allows you to do the things you want to do offensively.
That's what That's what to me, the key to this
game is. And it's very easy to say that, but
that's the reality. Because this this is a Carolina team
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that's going to come in and they're gonna be like, Okay,
that was embarrassing last week, Like there's no two ways
about it. So we got to come back and and
show that we're not a joke of a run defense
against you know what has been one of the better
run rushing offenses in the NFL the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yes, another thing like that. The count at the Cardinals
counter with this, if they commit an extra body in
the box, you know who could feast off of that,
Trey McBride. Yeah, and you look at last it's Trevan
Wallace as Jared Finbers like Wallace, one of their linebackers,
played terribly.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, well I was going to bring that up. He was.
He was genuinely bad. And you look at it. Britain
Range led the Jaguars in receiving. Most of you probably
don't even know who that is, but that's that's a
guy that is a you know, a third year rookie
or sorry, a third year tight end. Yeah. He was
(24:15):
the second round pick in twenty twenty three. So so
I don't want to take like a swipe out of him.
I don't want people think I'm talking negatively about him.
But he's not on the same level as as Trade McBride.
I mean, and this is a guy that had four
catches for fifty nine yards last week. I mean, he
was he was right around his career high. And so
(24:39):
if you're doing that with Brenton Strange, like you said,
oh man, this is a this is a Trade McBride
feast game. Especially like you said, if they have to,
if they have to find a way to stop the run.
And it's ironic because they have a great run defender
in A'shawn Robinson along the line right they have a
guy and Derek Brown who you've talked about, like just
(25:02):
a dominant force in the middle. And so that alone
you just feel like, well they should be able to
stop the run. But their edges, the edge right edge
DJ one them has not been playing well. Pat Jones,
I don't I'm not familiar with Pat Jones game. I'm
(25:22):
not even gonna like try to lie about that, like
I don't know, you know, I'm not familiar with him.
If if we're being completely fair, but like Nick s Gordon,
a guy we talked about quite a bit in Princely,
the Edge from Florida, Princely barely played and so and
(25:43):
he didn't. He didn't come in on a single run defense.
That's and so the point being, if you've got guys
like like DJ one them and Pat Jones who are
struggling that bad on the against the run, and you've
got this, you know, this third round rookie, I believe
Princely was right, and you've got this guy and you're like,
(26:07):
he's not ready that that speaks volumes and Nick Scourt
and a guy that I love coming out. You know,
he struggled against the run in this game. So you
look at it, you know, you do look at it,
and you go, huh, if every single edge defender is struggling,
maybe it is the scheme.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
That would have That is something that is something for sure.
I think there are two premier like exciting matchups to
watch because it's skill players, and you've got him on
on both sides of both the Cardinals and the and
the Panthers, because on one side you've got Marvin Harrison
against J. C. Horn and on the other side you've
(26:48):
got Ted McMillan against potentially Will Johnson, which you get
the two rookies really they're really long, really good, and
then you get mar versus JC to see how that
plays out. That'll be that'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, And this is, you know, that's a that's an
interesting matchup. The one I'm looking at right now and
you kind of intimated at it earlier, Jess, is that
you know the the Panthers offense, they they could not
I saidn't. I shouldn't say could not. They did not
(27:25):
block well. Yosh Ninjmun, I believe is the young gentleman's
name that played left tackle for them in this game. Yeah,
he was bad man, especially trying to protect Bryce Young's
blind side. And again, Josh, what for four hurries in
(27:50):
the first game? Baron Browning a sack in the first game?
Bryce Young can move. We know that he's got some escapability.
But can the Cardinals pass rushers that they've paid this
offseason Browning, you know, to return and Josh schwat for
a nice sized contract. Can they take advantage if Ninjaman
(28:13):
is still in the game over eke ikey at Kwantu.
And by the way, if ikey Akwanu is in the game,
can they take advantage of the fact that this guy's
returning from having an appendectomy? And probably based on my
(28:35):
small knowledge of appendectomy returns. You know, usually you're like
four to six weeks on that, so like can they
take advantage of that? Those are questions that that should
be interesting to watch because the Cardinals pass rush last
(28:55):
week was not great, but as we talked about, the
Saints made it a very large focus to not allow
the Cardinals to get to Spencer Ratler consistently. And so
those you know, that's something to watch and see how
(29:18):
that that goes in that situation.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, any other matchups or keys that that you can think.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, I think you always always in you know
the back of your mind, especially since that was game
sixteen last year. I believe h fifteen sixteen right last
year between fifteen between the Cardinals and the Panthers that effectively,
you know, eliminated them from the playoffs. I think you're
(29:54):
always looking at that two hundred yards of rushing offense
and you're going, Okay, that can't happen again, right, So
don't let Shuba Hubbard beat you. How does the how
do how do the new defensive lineman and then obviously
Mac Wilson and Keem Davis gaither or if they're going
(30:16):
to continue to utilize a rabbit in a in a
heavy role. How did those guys react to that, because,
like we said, that was that was a bad one
last year. And and we know that the rush offense
or the rush defense last year was porous, but that
(30:36):
was that was a really you know, that was a
kick in the in the you know what last year
in a in a pivotal game that could have set
them up to still be in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
How about next on the Rise of Hered podcast, Mister
Cardinal's Talk on the Web, Let's move to the final
segment where we make our picks, predictions and talk about
some prop bets that we like. That's coming on next
to Rise ups.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You read.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Back on the Rise of Here at podcasts Best our
Cardinals talk on the web, continuing with our previews the
Cardinals and Panthers. But this time is when I make
our when we make our projections. I know things didn't
look good last week. Ultimately they came away with a
win and a cover that with the under. I look
(31:25):
at the Cardinals last year when they won, they generally
won big. They had five of their five of their
eight wins were by double digits, and six of their
eight wins they scored twenty eight or more points, and
so is it is it wrong to predict kind of
(31:46):
the blowout or kind of the quasi blowout where where
they win by were they win by at least ten?
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I mean, that's the hope in this one. But the
under is at least on Fandal's heavily favored. The over
is almost even numbers at forty four and a half?
Is that the Cardinals? Is that the Panthers? Is that
a combination of the two? You know, it's minus one
o two the unders at minus one twenty, So we're
just talking about a little bit of big there. The
(32:16):
Cardinals at minus six and a half are the you know,
the betting papers minus one fifteen plus six and a
half for the Panthers, and the Panthers cover again close
to even money, uh, minus one of five. I think
this is just an indication of like the first week,
right you look at you look at a Cardinals team
that you know, you and I talked about it on
(32:40):
on Tuesday Jess about it looked like they were basically
playing a preseason game, right, like, it was not an
impressive win, and then we got the numbers, and by
the numbers, I mean the actual like informative of numbers,
(33:00):
the numbers that tell us like how often they blitzed,
uh where you know, where they were aggressive, where they
were you know, those type of numbers. And and they
blitzed probably the lowest that I can remember in terms
of game from Jonathan Gannon at the least amount. And
(33:24):
and they didn't push the in the envelope much offensively,
and they were very you know, content in saying like,
we don't think Spencer Ratler is going to beat us,
and you know, did it almost backfire? Sure, But like
you said, they won, They covered, and they got out
(33:49):
of there mostly unscathed. Obviously, Tip Ryman dealing with a
foot issue something to watch, but that's not going to
affect like, you know much, right, Like I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That he's an important part of the run game. But
then again, Travis, they they do really like Travis Voklick
in that sortain same sort of role. So he's fierce.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
But by the way, I haven't looked at m BET
MGM today, But the rushing props for the Cardinals are
not available right now.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well let me they were, they were this afternoon. The
rushing props up. They do have them. They do have them.
On bet MGM.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
So everything we go off of right now, and I'll
pull that up as well. Uh, we'll be off of
bet MGM. Actually, Fandel's numbers right now are pretty awful.
They don't they only have Michael Wilson receiving yards numbers.
They only have passing yards and touchdowns uh in the
game for for the quarterbacks. Uh So, like they don't
(34:51):
even have uh T mac. They don't have Marmat Harrison Junior.
They do have a Yeah, they do have a trade
McBride longest reception U over or under nineteen and a half.
I would take the over on that. I know, I
know it's not necessarily like his game, but I think that,
like we talked about, you know, going up against a
(35:12):
defense that the struggle Trevin Wallace struggled in Game one.
Obviously we know with the how much of a focal
point McBride is in their passing offense. I like that,
especially at minus one oh four. It gives you a
little juice going into that one.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Let's start with with the game predictions. I think I'm
gonna go with I think on on my on the
other show, I said twenty seventeen, I'm gonna say it's
gonna be it's gonna be twenty eight to thirteen Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, it's really hard to to like take them seriously, right,
the Panthers, because they.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They just classic, classic trap game. I mean like, look,
just looking at the numbers, is that ninety five percent
of the money line bets are on the Cardinals, in
seventy eight percent of the spread bets on the Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So and again, we don't like that, like you know,
we've we're just that's just not how we like to
do things here at you know, the Rise Up Sea
Red podcast, because it's just not something that we're used to.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
So nope, but how do you how do you predict?
I got twenty eight thirteen, which where are you going?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, I'm gonna go thirty to seventeen Cardinals when I
think you're you're kind of right. I wouldn't be surprised
if it was thirty to ten and they score a
late one. But you know, that's that's how I look
at this. It's it's just you know, until until they
you know, I don't want to say beat the Cardinals,
(36:46):
but until they come out and play really well, like
you're gonna be like, Okay, let's see something before we
we give them too much creditor or buy them too much.
I mean last week was just such a crap show, man, Like,
it was not a per game for them.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh so you you like the over in this game,
and I'm leaning cord the under, although it sounds like
you think it'll stay under until the very end and
you get the lay, bad bad beat going probably.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Right, And so that's the thing is like the under
is probably the smarter play in this one. Like, but
I could see the Cardinals, you know, in typical gracious
fashion allowing allowing them to score one more time.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
So my I think my favorite player prop is just
I don't know why it's so low. But they have
Bryce Young rushing total at fifteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, to hammer that over, man and.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So and if you want, oh we can't get they
don't have They don't have any for him for alternate
rushing yards. But I would I would hit twenty five
at least. Yeah, it's gonna stay at the round fifteen,
go over fifteen and a half and then ladder that
you'll you'll get plus money on twenty five plus for sure.
(38:12):
And then for the Cardinals, James Connor is at sixty
four and a half with Benson. You know, I think
I like the Benson one better. It's thirty three and
a half for him, and you can get you can
get him at fifty plus for plus one eighty five,
So I think that might be the value one is
(38:33):
to go Benson over thirty three and a half and
plus eighty plus one eighty five for fifty plus.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, I like that quite a bit. I mean, it's
always tough after game one. You know, Connor only at
thirty nine yards, Benson had sixty nine yards, so you
look at it and go, okay, Truba Hubbard with only
fifty seven yards, he's over under said at sixty four
and a half, the overs the better or like the
worst odds right minus tent eighteen, So that means they
(39:01):
think that he's going to clear that one. But I'm
with you on the backups. Rico Daddle over seventeen and
a half. He only had twelve in the first game,
but he only got three carries. That was kind of
odd too, and and part of that was they just
played so poorly that they you know, got out to
such a bad start. So so that's one to watch.
(39:22):
I like that one. Are we gonna are we gonna
stay until they till they make an adjustment on the
on the Murray uh yardage week to week twenty six
and a half seems like an easy an easy yes
again after he was just so effortless to get there
last week.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, yeah, they just yeah, they'll they'll adjust that at
some point. And the weird thing like on BETAMGM, it's
it's longer odds on the under. It's minus won ten
for over twenty six and a half and minus won
eighteen for the under. Why why what you're doing?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's an odd one? So you know the other one player?
Uh wait, where did I have lost? The touchdown passes?
There they are passing touchdowns. It's definitely let me go
back real quick. Yeah, it's definitely better on bet MGM.
(40:22):
Right now, it's plus money on bet MGM plus one
oh five for Murray over one and a half. Yeah,
fandom has them at minus one o eight. So you again,
you know ten bucks, you get ten to fifty instead
of you know, ten bucks, you get nine to twenty,
right like or nine to eighty. I think, so like
(40:42):
that's that's the way to look at that. There what
do we think of Bryce young Man, Like, is is
it gonna be two passing touchdowns? We both have them
scoring two touchdowns? So is it gonna be too well,
I guess you you change.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I have just one.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I got thirteen too, But but you know, that's an
interesting one because it is such good odds plus one
eighty like those are. Yeah, that's an interesting one to put.
You know, like I said, you put five on it,
you win nine, and you basically cover all your other
bets for the day. Right.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, though, you know, if you wanted to go with
the two plus touchdowns, this is the one I'm going.
James Connor. Yeah, James Connor two plus for two plus
two forty. I mean it's not great, it's not great,
but it's like it feels like an easy one, right.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
And then the last one that I like in this
one and it's just you know, I don't know what
to make of the lines yet, but fifty eight and
a half for t Mac I would go the over
on that. I think they're still struggling to figure out
what the Panthers have. So you look at that and
you go, they're gonna be down, They're gonna roll the
(42:00):
ball take the over on t max numbers.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Yeah, that makes sense. Honestly, the Marvin Harrison fifty four
and a half that seems kind of low.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
That seems low. I'm with you, man, sixty three and
a half on Trey I wouldn't touch that's.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, that's just kind of a sweet spot. Though if
like what I kind of like kind of it might
be worth just the just the bet because the over
six and a half receptions is plus one ten.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I know I was looking at that too. Man, that's
a juicy one.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
But if we don't think, if we don't like the
sixty three and a half right then, but we also
think that if they're going to load up to stop
the run, that McBride's going to be open for days exactly.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
So it's going to be interesting to see how they
go about this. This is going to be one to
kind of monitor, man, because these these odds. I don't
there's nothing that I'm overly feel strongly about outside of
outside of the young guys overs on their on their
(43:09):
receiving yards and the Murray rushing yards.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Right now, yeh, the kicking. The kicking props are not great.
Although you can get Ryan Fitzgerald over one and a
half field goals made, which I have him scoring thirteen points,
so that would make sense. But you get even money
plus one hundred on over one and a half. But nothing,
nothing for Ryland is worth looking at for this one.
(43:33):
It's that they're just normal things that there's no extra
reason why you'd want to look at that, because the
best thing you get is even money on Fitzgerald. So yep,
and with that, with that, we'll go ahead and wrap
things up. That wraps up this edition of the Rise
of is here and podcast mist of Carlos Talk on
the Web. That's our third show of the week. We'll
(43:54):
be back next week to talk about Seth and I'll
be back next week to talk about the what was
hopefully an easy win, and then next week following that
we will have hopefully two more shows as I'll try
to get Kyle Matson on from Niners Wire to preview
the game, and Seth and I will preview the game
that But until then, that's Seth Cox. I'm just ruthe.
Thanks for listening to As always, we'll be back again soon.
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