September 18, 2025 • 49 mins
The Cardinals built a 27-3 lead over the Carolina Panthers and then ended up sneaking away with a 27-22 win. Jess and Seth go over what went right and what went wrong, as well as breaking down the injuries we know of from the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello Rozona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest edition
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Seth Cox from Revenge to the Birds dot com Aspadation's
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Arizona Cardinals site. We get to the first of our
hopefully hopefully three shows as we look back at the
Cardinals twenty seven to twenty to a Week two victory
over the Carolina Panthers. A game that looked like it
would be much easier than it was, became interesting, became wild,
and became a hoof about anything that could have gone
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wrong with a twenty four point lead did.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But in the end they come away with the.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Win, and that's what we're here to talk about Setha,
Why don't we like?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I was there as a fan, the first time I've
been to a Cardinals regular season game as a fan
since the nineties. I went to preseason game as a
fan back in nine. But being in the stands was
it was kind of wild. It was fun, but that
was it was an interesting vibe at the stadium because
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there wasn't like there was the high of the early
score and lead, and then as as the game got
a little more boring and second half rolls around, you know,
some people start leaving. Panthers fans were leaving, and there
really wasn't one a lot about an energy in the stadium.
But that's typical for when you get a slow game
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that's kind of a blowout and then it got crazzy
at the end. Well for you, what were what were
kind of your just initial reactions to watching the game,
you know on TV? How did it kind of feel
from there?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It felt like they just completely pulled their foot off
the gas in in terms of both sides of the ball.
You know, I was going back and I was kind
of watching and looking at how they did things, and
it was interesting to see how aggressive they were early
in the game, specifically on the deferent side of the ball,
doing you know, showing different things, showing different blitz packages,
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bringing different pressures, and then they kind of just played
it straight up right at the in the fourth quarter
and you're and you're going why, like, why aren't you
being aggress and so, you know, those things all kind
of became the issue and why they got to the
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point where they did, where it's just they didn't they
were unable to really close out a game that should
have been easily closed out.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and you know, one things what we want to
talk about is what went right? What went wrong?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We got some injuries to talking about, and I'll dare
to say that the injury situation perhaps was a reason
why they handle things a little bit differently late. But
let's not start with that. Let's start with what went right,
because there were things that went right. And I think
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the very first thing was the fast start. I mean,
what did what did we get to see? We got
to see Josh Sweat get a sack early cause the
touchdown that Zaven Collins scored. We got two sacks from
from Kalaias Campbell, and you know, Dalvin Tomlinson looked better.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It looked like they're getting a game under their belt.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The the conditioning was better, but they got impact from
impact guys.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
They did. Especially early.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
You saw just some different things that we hadn't seen.
I mean, they were getting pressures on the defense side
of the ball. You saw, you saw a really balanced
and effective offense, and they put themselves in a position
again to be, uh, be successful. And then and then
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you had some of the same self basically, you know,
shooting yourself in the foot right like uh, you look
at you should come out you score right immediately and
it's it's Josh Sweat with a sack uh zamn and
Collins for covers and returns with per touchdown. That's I mean,
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basically the most ideals start you can think of, right,
and then and then they come out of their second
defensive effort and they give up from the yards that
time twenty seven yards kind of a foreshadowing of things
to come, right, twenty seven yards in seven plays is
it's actually kind of it's kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But they.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
They had, you know, again some of these things where
they shot themselves in the foot and then and then
they get the interception from Baron Browning and they score
a touchdown. We're like, all right, here we go. And
then the late penalty flag comes in, right, and and
you've got an offensive holding on Trey McBride and it
was like, Trey, you probably didn't even have to block him, right,
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just kind of get in front of him, and you
get the same result. Instead, you settle for a field
goal because you get the kind of group petsy and
waving the white flag situation. And then and then you
kind of just follow it along, right, You've got You've
got little things on every drive that just seem like
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little miscues, little thing and so then it becomes are
they able to overcome those things?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And in the first half they were. In the first
half they were to a really really effective level, getting
out to a twenty to three lead, and then they
had that great drive to start the second half. You know,
I don't think we can say enough about how good
that drive was, right, I mean, they get to kickoff,
they go seventy one yards and nine plays over five
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and a half minutes a game time, and score another touchdown.
They get up twenty seven to three, and think about
even that drive. Jess you had the Parish Johnson and
a multiple man downfield penalty, right, you had you had
some plays that didn't work out the way you'd want
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them to, but they they were just able to kind
of continue to get guys the ball and get them
in good positions. And then it just seemed like, all right,
we're gonna we're gonna pull back, We're gonna take our
foot off the gas because and don't get me wrong,
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I mean Carolina has some talent, especially on the offensive
side of the ball, but they were getting beat not
by guys like Teve McMillan, right, it was it was
guys like uh Tommy Tremble and and uh Mitchell Evans,
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Like these guys are beating un You're just like, what
is happening right now?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I thought other things of the good were There were some, Yeah,
there were big Tray Bride.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Aside from the one penalty, McBride had did his thing.
He continues to just be.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And I know people are gonna harp on the penalty
when it comes to like, oh, you know if.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
He went out of his mind too that he got
flagged on that, that's the wild thing about that. I'm like,
that was such but like he was maybe there was
something else to that, but it felt like, even from
my spot in the stands, I was like, that was
definitely a hold trade.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What are you going crazy about? Yeah, I mean I
thought it was close.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think it was more where he hit him than
like it was just an obvious penalty, you know, because
he caught him on the shoulder pad and kind of
redirected him in a negative way.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It was the touchdown to Michael Wilson was a great play.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And by the way, isn't it interesting And I know,
you know the one didn't count as we talk about that, right,
but isn't it interesting that they had two design plays
for Michael Wilson in the red zone, in the goal
in the goal to go zone, not even the red zone, right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
That was that was That was an interesting thing. Although
like the touchdown play, it was more of Wilson feeling
confident the ball was going to come his way. I
heard his postgame interview afterwards, and I think that's the
first read is that play when when he did that,
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Higgins had a couple of It was nice to see
Higgins get things going. But other than that, I mean,
for a game in which they were up twenty seven
to three. Doesn't it feel like there wasn't a ton
of pause itives. I will say this and it can
continues to be before for the injuries, is that Denzel
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Burke did have some struggles struggles, but overall Burke didn't
play poorly, which was really good to see and foreshadowing
we might be looking at a trio of cornerbacks, we
might be looking at three starters and being Denzil Burke,
Keysroll Clark, and Elijah Jones this week. But Burke playing
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relatively well considering the circumstances, was was really good because
losing Max was that that didn't that didn't feel good.
So I'm gonna put I'm gonna put the Denzel playing
relatively well in the positives.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I would agree with you.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And and so you know, you look at it and
this was a this was a effort that at times waned,
but for the most part you saw a lot of
is there's a lot of good that you can take
from this game. It's just that the way things have
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ended the previous two games, it makes people go, is
this a good team? And quite frankly, I think that's
a fair question, just based off how they've played right.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, absolutely, So with that coming next on the resiss
Here podcast, ivist are Colonel's talk on the web, let's
move to what went wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's kind of next in recips you read We're.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Back on the rest of Here podcast, it's our cardinal's
talk of the way the Cardinals beat the Carolina Panthers
twenty seven to twenty two. Shouldn't have been that interesting
as they went up twenty seven to three after the
first possession of the second half, and from there it
got super interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And so what went wrong?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And people are gonna people have been dumping on Kyler
Murrae and then that's that's fair for the position. But
let us consider that. I don't think Kyler Murray's what
went wrong. There was a play and you said that,
you said it yourself. Is that you know Murray had
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one mistake the entire game. He played a very good game.
And then instead of when he tried to throw the
ball away that led to the interception when they could
have at worst been up thirty to nine. They you
know this is these are the It was nine play
seventy six yards touchdown on the second half, nine plays
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seventy yards. He gets picked off, and then the one
drive that everyone talks about when they should have been
able to run out the clock, when they should have
gotten into their format an offense, they go three plays four,
they go three and out and have to punt, and
that's when all the interests. But you know, you could
say that Kyler Murray went wrong, but you realize he
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didn't get the ball again after that.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, And you know, it's something that it's really easy
to talk about, but it's harder to actually watch, right.
And so one of the things that I talked about
quite a bit was, you know, the interception was you know,
you and I've talked about it off that it wasn't
even a terrible decision. He was trying to throw the
ball away. He just got hit, and it is what
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it is. But they got the ball with two minutes
left in the third quarter, and that pick happened with
under eleven minutes left in the fourth quarter on the
Carolina twelve. So the Cardinals went nine plays sixty yards,
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held the ball for over six and a half minutes,
and basically punted to the twelve.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, and their defense gave up fourteen plays for eighty
eight yards and got the Carolina Panthers offense in a
singular third down before they got into the red zone
one third down, Like that's the type of stuff that
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just That's why I said, I mean, you look at
that play sequence right, like seven yards to Jatavian Sanders,
five yards to Teed McMillan, nine yards to Tommy Trimble,
a six yard run by Tuba Hubbard, passing complete, ass complete.
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You got a defensive holding pass complete to Hunter renfro,
a pass complete to Bryson Tremaine, like pass complete to
Cuba Hubbard, Like how do you allow this offense to
just I mean chunk plays? And that was again I
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know Max Melton was out, but that was with will
Johnson Garrett Williams still on the field. And you just,
I mean, you look at that. That is that's just
bad defense. I mean genuinely, just.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Look at the three their possessions in the second half.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So the Cardinals scored the touchdown, so they had the
five and a half minute drive where they went up
twenty four to twenty seven to three. But here are
the next three consecutive drives for the Panthers that the
defense gave up three consecutive drives for touchdowns. Okay, fourteen
plays seventy six yards more than seven minutes, touchdown, then
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the interception happens, fourteen plays ninety three yards or fourteen
fourteen plays eighty eight yards, five and a half minutes
off the clock, touchdown, they go three and out. Then
it's twelve plays seventy six yards touchdown, and then the
onside kick and they get them. And it took honestly,
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it took everything out of that the comic. It was
comical with the things on the stretch. But you know,
the defense, like you take the Kyler interception away. Tyler
played a good game, and there were some good things
about the offense, but kind of if you look at
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it this way, kind of the two things that the
Cardinals were kind of planning on this year, which was
a dominant run game and a much improved defense. They
got almost nothing from the run game and their defense.
Just whether it was simply we're just gonna let you
take your time down the field, maybe maybe that was
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the strategy was, rather than you know, try and get
another big play and get a defensive score, force a
turnover like that, which, by the way, you know, the
start of that game, it looked like Bryce's Bryce Young's
career was headed to the toilet because in five quarters,
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five turnovers, because he had two interceptions in a fumble
in the first game, he had the fumble, the strip fumble,
and then the interception. For so it was looking like
Bryce Young might be hitting bust Phill and then he
ends up throwing three touchdown pass over three hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Havn't.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Honestly, and I will say this, Bryce Young in the
second half did really well and he would played poised.
He just took what was the defense was supposed to
be better, like the defense fourteen plays fourteen place, twelve place.
That's not that's not the defense that this team spent
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lots of money on. That's not how that defense is
supposed to play well.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Like I said, it's interesting how I think I text
you guys the stats, right, It's interesting how they've basically
john about not coming after the quarterback. And part of
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it is they just aren't bringing any pressure. And what
I mean by that is their content to drop seven,
bring four and see what happens. And so you and
I were having this discussion, is this a Hey, we're
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playing bad teams, let's do this right now to see
what we can figure out like that. That's the only
thing I can think right like, because if you're getting
picked apart by Spencer Ratler, who had a good game
against San Francisco as well, so we should mention that
before we you know, talk about San Francisco on Thursday,
but he had a good game against San Francisco and
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then and then Bryce Young in the second half, like adjust,
But maybe they're just like, no, we're just gonna we're
twenty seven to three, man, Like, we're not worried about it.
We're not going to give up twenty four points and
a half. And they didn't, so they're right. But also
did it have to be that close? Right it? And
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so that's that's kind of what my question is.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well, and that even at the three and out, you
know that three and out that that they had that
led to that, it was just it looked good to
start because on the first play Connor goes for seven yards,
but then he goes for a minus three and then
he had the deep the throw down the field that
he and Wilson were on the same page. Kyler goes deep,
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Wilson breaks off the route. So that was just you know,
what can you say, like, was that Kyler's fault?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Was that?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But that negative play because it was second and three,
it should have a second three. It should have been
you know, you would have figured that with the way
that they were in the ball that they would be
able to second and three, maybe third and one, pick
up the first down, get it. Honestly, if they get
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one first down on that drive, it's not nearly that,
then it just looks frantic instead of crazy, like you
get the crazy garbage time. But there's never like any hope.
But yeah, that was the other thing. So the defense
is bad. The defense didn't show anything. And I will
say this last year, the Cardinals had a really really
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low blitz rate until like the second half of the season,
and then they turned it up, especially on third down.
It was very interesting how they go about that, like
it's like we're.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Going to do things early.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And maybe it was simply that though, but maybe it
was just the fact they just wanted to to take
it easy, you know, sit back in basic coverage and
let him dink and run the clock out and just
rely on the offense to two clock. And you know
that that one drive just didn't work, and so the
defense and run the ball has been a bad deal
of defense. And guess what the run game? They got
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one hundred and forty six yards against against New Orleans.
But the running backs are averaging like less than three
yards aside from Benson's fifty two yarder, like Connor's averaging
what is he about three yards of carry this year?
And hasn't He's not Look, he's not looked dominant for
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whatever reason, whether it's you know, the magic three zero
and now you can't run the ball, or he hasn't
gotten his legs under him yet, or simply that run
that defense. Defenses are playing the run better because what
was it? I don't know who was I think was
a blake that showed us in the group text. There's
a trend around the league that that the inside run
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is being defended much better this year, and apparently offenses
have not adjusted to that.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Right, And it's really interesting to look at because you
have you know, you then the bulk numbers look fine, right,
two hundred and twenty eight yards and two games four
point seven yards per attempt. There's a touchdown in there,
you know, averaging one hundred, one hundred and fourteen yards.
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You know per game all that seems great, right, But
but there's there's two things to it. One, obviously Murray,
but two eighty two of your two hundred and twenty
eight yards are on two carries. So without and I'm
always one of those people who said you can't take
away the but without those two carries, you're averaging three
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point one yards per carry, three point one jess per
team that's supposed to be one of the best run
teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And the fact that that the interior offensive line not
looking good.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, so far well, and there's some there's some stats
that are interesting, right. I think when you look at
some different things, I think the first thing that you
look at is what's Kyle Odegard posted it? And I'm
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trying to find it so I get it correct. But
I think the passing game is at top ten and
EPA so expected points per attempt, right, which is really good,
but it also talks about efficiency.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But they're thirtieth, not not thirty eighth, thirtieth.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
In rushing EPA, which if we all had to like
vote before the season, right like after two games, what
would be tenth and what would be thirtieth? Offensively we'd go, okay,
the tenth and rushing at thirtieth and passing that, you know,
the passing games, getting off this, but no, they're they're
super efficient when when they do drop back and throw
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the ball, so that you know that big the question, right, like, okay, well,
how often are they throwing the ball? Well, the twenty
sixth in passing attempts chess twenty sixth, So you're really
efficient doing it, you just don't do it. And here's
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the other crazy thing. They have had the most passes
thrown against them in the NFL. In two games, they
have a one hundred and one passes thrown against them,
one and one Jess.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But wild and it makes sense because they're.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Winning, right, they're winning. But here's here's the wilder statuess.
They have thirty seven less plays run than their opponents
and like offensive defensive plays not that doesn't include specials,
all that stuff, offensive and defensive plays, they only have
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ninety eight yards difference in total yards. So their opponents,
while still having thirty seven more plays, have only gained
ninety eight more yards than them, which is absurd to think,
but they just they they don't get.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Lightly anomalos it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
It does.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
None of that makes sense any sense. You're like, oh,
well that's good. That means he got a good defense.
But then you look at what they did against the
Panther's like that's not a good defense.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Well, they're playing the ultimate bind, don't break right, like
they're average drive. This is the craziest thing, the average drive.
The Cardinals hold the ball more when they have the
ball three point three or three minutes and thirty seconds
to under three minutes, which is really really good, but
they have less plays six point seven to seven point five,
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and they have the same exact yardage like this thirty
three point five yards per drive thirty three they're giving
up thirty three point four yards per drive. And it's
like wait, wait, wait what like so so these teams
are getting a full play extra per drive, but they're
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getting the same amount of yardage. So it's it's just
like and and that's what I mean. I think I
read somewhere their third in penalties against so far on
the defense.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, they'd been bad penalties wise.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And so that's that's all that is, just is you
just get extra plays because those plays don't count, So
now you have to start again, right, So, like if
it's third and five and you get a you know,
another innocuous you know, uh what illegal illegal touch or
whatever they call you know contact, illegal contact? Thank you
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you you go, oh crap, all right, well let's start again.
So now it's now they get three plays, and so
that's what's happening so often and so oh.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
The perfect example of that is they got the fourth
downs is even got the sack strip fumble, and you're like.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yay, turnover and downs we won. Oh there was defensive folding, right, and.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
So you just it's just little stuff, man. And so
that's the thing. It's not even that the defense is
necessarily badly, it's just that they don't get stops in
the second half.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, so we'll see, maybe we'll see that the game
plan will change against.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well and that's again that's kind of better teams.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I don't know exactly, that's kind of what I'm thinking, right, Like,
it's got to I mean, they've got to change that
overall again. But they've got to run the ball better.
I mean, all of this, all of this is to say,
no matter what, they have to run the ball better.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I mean, that's just it coming on next to the
rest of you.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
hereIt podcast, Bestar Cardinals, Tucker, Let's let's move on, and
let's talk about the injuries, because goodness that cornerback room
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Speaker 4 (28:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Now, we're going to talk about some injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Because the Cardinals lost three starting cornerbacks during the game.
And this is after they already lost Jean Murphy button
for the year. They already lost Star Thomas for the year,
and at least initially based on what we saw, two
of them look like they could be severe. And then
they lose a defensive lineman again, the two positions where
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they really tried to keep adding players and they cannot,
for the life of them, okay, stay healthy. So alrighty mean,
we know when it comes to the cornerback room, Sean
Murphy Bunting was lost for the year during the off season,
Star Thomas lost for the year in training camp. But
you know, they they drafted, They've drafted the gazillion quarterbacks
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and you're like, okay, we've got this met Well, Johnson's
gonna play.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's gonna be good, Garrett Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Fine, there, they drafted Maximuld last year defensive line as well.
You're like, oh, Justin Jones got injured last year the
Laal Nichols. Then Walter Nolan gets hurt, Justin Jones gets
hurt again.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Now LG.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Colliers hurt and we don't know what the situation is
with that. So they lost all three of their starting cornerbacks.
And and what didn't you say, so Garrett Williams went down late?
If that's an ACL man, that just that's terrible timing.
Max looked pretty bad as well, but in a way
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that isn't maybe season ending, but maybe several weeks. And
then there we had to scare with with will Johnson
turned out like just do his argant knocked out of him,
but apparently he hurt his groin at the end of
the game. And then there's his Instagram posts keeping the faith.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I'm like, oh, what is this? I don't know, man,
Are the Cardinals cursed?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, it's just one of those things. Man, It's the NFL,
and it's it's a violent, violent sport.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
You know, again, I hate comparing and things like that,
but you know, a kid I've coached for years, literally
snapped his leg and half in our game last week,
like you know, a fourteen year old and just like
snapped his lower leg. And it's just it's one of
those things that you don't even know how to explain it,
and and you know, we're standing there as coaches and
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going like why do we do this?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Like it's just it's just so difficult, and because it
is so violent and there's so much going on in
the games, and so we'll just see where it goes to.
I will say this, you know there's a they dropped there.
(31:38):
They dropped their depth chart nothing, I mean no.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And I will say this, the Cardinals are ridiculous when
it comes in and ridiculous, they are ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, and they could even take somebody's credentials away if
you question it too much.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Pees not to bring up.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Sorry sorry, but the fact of the matter is, like
we when Joe Burrow got hurt later that day, we
knew that he was gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Miss at least three months, like we knew other injuries. Oh,
he's gonna it's gonna cost him the season. He's gonna
be go out for least two months. But the Cardinals,
and I will say this, they're purposely doing this for
whatever reason, because like I put off the tweeted like
(32:33):
either they have the worst medical staff where there's I
don't know what's wrong and they do things, they have
the worst facilities, the worst communication, or they just don't
want to say anything for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
It just doesn't make sense because I know for a
fact that most of.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The time with the trainers that they have and the
doctors that they have, is they know more or less
in the moment what type of injury it is, and
they have they know that what the worst case is,
and sometimes they find out that it isn't as bad
as it looked, but they'll know based on the type
of the way it happened, what the likely injury is.
(33:21):
But to say Jonathan Gannon the media after I don't
know anything, and they say, oh, we'll know later in
the week, What do you mean you'll know later in
the week. You might know what roster moves you're gonna
do later in the week, But they know one hundred
percent whether these moves are and they time it in
a way so that two of like three pm on Monday,
He's like, oh, I will find out later. He doesn't
talk to the media un till Wednesday before practice, and
(33:44):
then they're gonna then they're gonna make their roster move announcements.
But and like and to what end? To what end?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Honestly?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, And that's the thing is, you know, if guys
are down for any experience extended period of time, it
makes it really difficult to figure out what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
That being said, it's just, you.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Know, with this organization, there's really nothing that we can
even talk about because they just they're so secretive about
injuries that that there's I mean, we can talk about it,
but we'll really have no no clarification until a move
(34:36):
is actually made, right, Like, we won't even know the
extent of it unless somebody goes on.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Ir right, right, And then that's from the looks of it,
Like if you're looking at like you fear that Melton
and William are both done for the year.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You fear that just the way they react.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
To coming off the field. And then on top of that, LJ.
Collier injures, isn't he as well?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Granted he's depth, he's the back of the depth chart
in terms of the defensive line room, and so you know,
you could bring up an Elijah Simmons or an Anthony
Goodlow or someone like that, but it's just a and
because they're not going to be able to get Justin
Jones back for well, who knows how long he'll be
(35:21):
he'll be out. We don't know that Walter Nolan is
going to have to miss at least two more games.
And so you're like, can we just can we just not?
Can we just not? Right exactly at the corner that
the positions were, they were loaded, but they weren't loaded
anymore and they're even less loaded. It's just it's just
(35:44):
it's just struggle. Not that we need anybody else to
get hurt instead, it just but it feels like the
Cardinals have no They just can't.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They can't not.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's just there the defensive they don't know how to
keep healthy defensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
And apparently this year is the year for all the
cornerbacks to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So right, So Coven next and Rises here a podcast
mist ocone's talking about. Let's talk about one last little
bit we talked a little already, but talk about Murray Harrison.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
In the run game.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
That's coming next and Rise ups you read We're back
on the Rise of Here podcast mist Our Cardinal's Talk
of the Web. Murray Harrison in the run game. We
talked about that a little bit, but let's go with
Harrison because people are really starting to get annoyed at
Harrison's play. His Harrison's usually he only had two catches
for twenty seven yards. He did draw a big what
(36:36):
fifty eight yard or whatever. It ended up being pass
interference pump penalty, so that and they don't count in
the stats. But that was a huge play. That was
a huge play, and it was a thirty eight yard
pass interference play, so in the end it ended up
(36:57):
being sixty five yards of stuff. He did have a
drop that was a bad drop there on the sideline,
and then they didn't connect in the end zone. But
people are saying, oh, five targets isn't enough. I mean,
how many targets is the right amount? And how much
of the how much of the the quiet game Harrison
(37:20):
had was on Harrison and how much was on his usage.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I mean it's a combination, and and I think there's
a lot of stuff that should be discussed in terms of,
you know, understanding game flow and things of that nature.
But the one thing that I would say, I I
you know, and you know, people know my take on this.
(37:45):
I think they've got to get him more manufactured touches,
not to the extent of like what the bs we
were kind of seeing at the end of fits his
career right where it's just like, all right, here's a
two yard loss on the first play of the game,
so they can get the it's catch out of the way, right,
But like get them more involved. I mean, I will
(38:06):
say that the you look at the offense. The fourth
play from scrimmage went to him, right, and it was
a it was a p I that got him down
to the five. And then the very next play went
to him and he did what you and I would
consider a poor job right trying to come back and
(38:27):
make a play on the ball. But you know, and
then and people look at that and go, well, you
got to get them more involved. It's like, well, they
they got the ball to him twice in the first quarter.
One you know, he got the the other there wasn't
(38:50):
there was something that you probably wanted to see more
from him out of that, right, And then was the
drop in the second quarter. Was it like early in
the second quarter. I don't remember off head.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I don't remember what. I remember where it was, but
I don't remember at what point in the game it was.
But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So that was like, oh my gosh, Marv, Oh my gosh,
you can't, you can't do that. Although like in fairness,
we don't want we don't get to see them like neighbors,
my late neighbors has had a couple of egregious drops too.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
But here here's my thing on all of that, and
I don't disagree, but like, all right, so you know,
people are again, they have their opinions, and you look
at it, you know one, two, three, four, five, six, second, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
twelve or ten. So they go to they go to
(39:45):
Marv three times in the first ten place, and he
has I don't want to say the lazy because I'm
not trying to describe it as lazy, but like, you know,
an interesting effort on a on a ball in the
end zone and a drop like not making excuses, but
(40:09):
also what quarterback slash play callers like, hey, we got
to get back to this guy immediately, right, Like and
again I'm not I'm not saying right or wrong, but
That's just a reality, right, Like if if you if
you get thirty percent of the targets in the first
ten plays and you make zero plays.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
They're going to Elijah Higgins. Now they're going to.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Start looking at in other And I'm not saying it's
right or wrong. I'm just saying that's the reality of.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
The game, run game.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is this a result I don't even know where to start.
Is this a result of the running backs? Is it
missing Will Hernande? Is it guard play? Evan Brown has
been notably worse, noticeably worse than a year ago when
he was he was solid last year not being good
(41:08):
so far? Isaa Adams?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Eh? How much of it is the backs?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
How much of it is the blocking?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
And how much is just defensive being better?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I don't know, you know, I think a lot of
it comes down to run blocking. I don't know if
that's missing Clayton Adams. I don't know if that's justin Fry.
I don't know what aspect of the game that is.
But there is an issue I.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Have, like suddenly the alignment don't know how to block
because Adam's not here?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Like is that what it is?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It was Clayton Adams, But but do they really like
what does it?
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Are they teaching different things? I can't imagine they're teaching
different things.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Right, and look at it, you know, yell the role
Holts doing okay, But after that it's I mean, Paris
is even struggling as a run blocker. Evan Brown and
ISAA Adams are both struggling, and and JOHNA. Williams struggling.
So it's like you've got four of your five offensive
(42:20):
linemen not blocking well in the run game. Things are
really difficult to uh to run the ball right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
And then you know I can't I can't complain about
how Maury's played, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I I you know I've said this. All the stats
tell the same story. It's not gonna win you a game.
It's not gonna lose you a game. It's gonna keep
you in the game and give you a chance to
you know, be there at the end. But also, the
thing I would say that needs to im through more
(43:01):
than anything at this juncture would be that you'd like
to see a killer instinct of like like that play
he made to get them inside the red zone. Is
there's I mean, as Lamar maybe the only other player
that can make that play. I mean maybe, and and
(43:21):
don't get me wrong with Lamars the best quarterback in
the NFL right now, but like, does anybody else make
that play? I don't.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I genuinely don't know. Well, that's that's top.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
He He's so special when he runs when especially when
he's like I'm going to because you can tell there's
a difference in the ways he runs, because sometimes we
know how fast he is, and there are very few
times we've seen him actually cut loose on his speed
because he's he's running carefully, more shiftily, And sometimes I
(43:57):
just wish he would like that, he would just cut
loose and run past someone, but he is so he
is so contact averse, which understandably, he's not a big dude.
He's five ten two twent five ten two ten. That
is not much compared to six three two forty Heisman,
(44:25):
And isn't It almost feels like he's just doing what
he's asked to be to do. It's almost the exact opposite,
Like it's kind of the opposite of when it was
Clift Kingsbury, right, because Kingsbury is like, Kyler, do your thing,
and Kyler's doing I'm doing what I'm asked that, I'm
(44:46):
asked to do this, so I'm gonna do this, I'm
gonna be coachable, I'm gonna do this and then that.
But you also, it feels like we get a little
bit less of that take over because we we know
Kyler can take over a game, and it feels like
it's a little more of that. But I think it's
just falling within the scheme.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Right, And here's again I've said this, I just feel
like the scheme itself has been insanely vanilla to start
the season, just like the defense, right, Like, think about this,
they were up twenty seven to three, and they kind
of just hosted and again they had a nine play,
sixty yard six and a half minute drive, you know,
(45:27):
and people are like, oh, you can't make that play.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
You go up.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Okay, you go up thirty to three, Like what, there's
genuinely no difference, Like, okay, so you're up twenty seven.
So they still have to get three touchdowns and three
two point conversions. By the way, if they don't get
all of their two point conversions, then they have to
(45:50):
get four touchdowns. So what's like, you know, that's how
I look at it. So you know, again, I just
go back to the reality of like, the defense in
that situation has to get off the field. It has
to They have to find a way to not give
up forty plays and over two hundred yards in three drives,
(46:18):
like especially when the lost.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Stop and two first downs on offense, and this game
will blowout.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Well, and that's the thing people are like, oh, the
defense was I'm like, yeah, the defense was on the
field because of the defense, I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Defensive it wasn't. Yeah, there was the one bad drive.
They went three and out and then had a couple
of dinner.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
It was the minus play to the Connor and then
the bad route by by Wilson, and after that they
didn't even get the ball back.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
They didn't get the ball back after that.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Right, but before that, That's what I'm saying is like
they they ran twelve minutes of game time in the
second half off the clock and gained one hundred and
sixty plus yards or one hundred and thirty plus yard excuse.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Me, Like.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
The defense shouldn't have been gassed, but they gave up
a twelve play or yeah, twelve play and a fourteen
play drive back to back, So they were gassed because
they gassed themselves. That's you know, it's just that's why
I said, it's it is what it is, like they
have to finish games on both sides of the ball.
(47:25):
But at the same time, like, let's not excuse the
defense giving up twenty six plays for one hundred and
uh what was it, one hundred and seventy yards in
two series, Like come on, like you gotta you gotta
do something right.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, And with that, let us wrap this this up.
That that'll rep at this edition to the Rise of
Here podcast. Best Cardinal Stockham web my hope. I haven't
talked to him yet, but we can get Kyle Madson
on to do the oponent preview seth and I will
back later this week. And with that that said, Cocks,
I'm just rute. Thanks for listening. As always, we be
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello Rozona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest edition
of the Rise Up Sea Red podcast, the best start
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Arizona Cardinals site. We get to the first of our
hopefully hopefully three shows as we look back at the
Cardinals twenty seven to twenty to a Week two victory
over the Carolina Panthers. A game that looked like it
would be much easier than it was, became interesting, became wild,
and became a hoof about anything that could have gone
(01:14):
wrong with a twenty four point lead did.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
But in the end they come away with the.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Win, and that's what we're here to talk about Setha,
Why don't we like?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I was there as a fan, the first time I've
been to a Cardinals regular season game as a fan
since the nineties. I went to preseason game as a
fan back in nine. But being in the stands was
it was kind of wild. It was fun, but that
was it was an interesting vibe at the stadium because
(01:47):
there wasn't like there was the high of the early
score and lead, and then as as the game got
a little more boring and second half rolls around, you know,
some people start leaving. Panthers fans were leaving, and there
really wasn't one a lot about an energy in the stadium.
But that's typical for when you get a slow game
(02:09):
that's kind of a blowout and then it got crazzy
at the end. Well for you, what were what were
kind of your just initial reactions to watching the game,
you know on TV? How did it kind of feel
from there?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
It felt like they just completely pulled their foot off
the gas in in terms of both sides of the ball.
You know, I was going back and I was kind
of watching and looking at how they did things, and
it was interesting to see how aggressive they were early
in the game, specifically on the deferent side of the ball,
doing you know, showing different things, showing different blitz packages,
(02:48):
bringing different pressures, and then they kind of just played
it straight up right at the in the fourth quarter
and you're and you're going why, like, why aren't you
being aggress and so, you know, those things all kind
of became the issue and why they got to the
(03:13):
point where they did, where it's just they didn't they
were unable to really close out a game that should
have been easily closed out.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, and you know, one things what we want to
talk about is what went right? What went wrong?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
We got some injuries to talking about, and I'll dare
to say that the injury situation perhaps was a reason
why they handle things a little bit differently late. But
let's not start with that. Let's start with what went right,
because there were things that went right. And I think
(03:53):
the very first thing was the fast start. I mean,
what did what did we get to see? We got
to see Josh Sweat get a sack early cause the
touchdown that Zaven Collins scored. We got two sacks from
from Kalaias Campbell, and you know, Dalvin Tomlinson looked better.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It looked like they're getting a game under their belt.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
The the conditioning was better, but they got impact from
impact guys.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
They did. Especially early.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
You saw just some different things that we hadn't seen.
I mean, they were getting pressures on the defense side
of the ball. You saw, you saw a really balanced
and effective offense, and they put themselves in a position
again to be, uh, be successful. And then and then
(04:42):
you had some of the same self basically, you know,
shooting yourself in the foot right like uh, you look
at you should come out you score right immediately and
it's it's Josh Sweat with a sack uh zamn and
Collins for covers and returns with per touchdown. That's I mean,
(05:05):
basically the most ideals start you can think of, right,
and then and then they come out of their second
defensive effort and they give up from the yards that
time twenty seven yards kind of a foreshadowing of things
to come, right, twenty seven yards in seven plays is
it's actually kind of it's kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But they.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
They had, you know, again some of these things where
they shot themselves in the foot and then and then
they get the interception from Baron Browning and they score
a touchdown. We're like, all right, here we go. And
then the late penalty flag comes in, right, and and
you've got an offensive holding on Trey McBride and it
was like, Trey, you probably didn't even have to block him, right,
(05:44):
just kind of get in front of him, and you
get the same result. Instead, you settle for a field
goal because you get the kind of group petsy and
waving the white flag situation. And then and then you
kind of just follow it along, right, You've got You've
got little things on every drive that just seem like
(06:07):
little miscues, little thing and so then it becomes are
they able to overcome those things?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And in the first half they were. In the first
half they were to a really really effective level, getting
out to a twenty to three lead, and then they
had that great drive to start the second half. You know,
I don't think we can say enough about how good
that drive was, right, I mean, they get to kickoff,
they go seventy one yards and nine plays over five
(06:34):
and a half minutes a game time, and score another touchdown.
They get up twenty seven to three, and think about
even that drive. Jess you had the Parish Johnson and
a multiple man downfield penalty, right, you had you had
some plays that didn't work out the way you'd want
(06:57):
them to, but they they were just able to kind
of continue to get guys the ball and get them
in good positions. And then it just seemed like, all right,
we're gonna we're gonna pull back, We're gonna take our
foot off the gas because and don't get me wrong,
(07:19):
I mean Carolina has some talent, especially on the offensive
side of the ball, but they were getting beat not
by guys like Teve McMillan, right, it was it was
guys like uh Tommy Tremble and and uh Mitchell Evans,
(07:41):
Like these guys are beating un You're just like, what
is happening right now?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I thought other things of the good were There were some, Yeah,
there were big Tray Bride.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Aside from the one penalty, McBride had did his thing.
He continues to just be.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And I know people are gonna harp on the penalty
when it comes to like, oh, you know if.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
He went out of his mind too that he got
flagged on that, that's the wild thing about that. I'm like,
that was such but like he was maybe there was
something else to that, but it felt like, even from
my spot in the stands, I was like, that was
definitely a hold trade.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What are you going crazy about? Yeah, I mean I
thought it was close.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think it was more where he hit him than
like it was just an obvious penalty, you know, because
he caught him on the shoulder pad and kind of
redirected him in a negative way.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It was the touchdown to Michael Wilson was a great play.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
And by the way, isn't it interesting And I know,
you know the one didn't count as we talk about that, right,
but isn't it interesting that they had two design plays
for Michael Wilson in the red zone, in the goal
in the goal to go zone, not even the red zone, right?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
That was that was That was an interesting thing. Although
like the touchdown play, it was more of Wilson feeling
confident the ball was going to come his way. I
heard his postgame interview afterwards, and I think that's the
first read is that play when when he did that,
(09:38):
Higgins had a couple of It was nice to see
Higgins get things going. But other than that, I mean,
for a game in which they were up twenty seven
to three. Doesn't it feel like there wasn't a ton
of pause itives. I will say this and it can
continues to be before for the injuries, is that Denzel
(10:00):
Burke did have some struggles struggles, but overall Burke didn't
play poorly, which was really good to see and foreshadowing
we might be looking at a trio of cornerbacks, we
might be looking at three starters and being Denzil Burke,
Keysroll Clark, and Elijah Jones this week. But Burke playing
(10:27):
relatively well considering the circumstances, was was really good because
losing Max was that that didn't that didn't feel good.
So I'm gonna put I'm gonna put the Denzel playing
relatively well in the positives.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I would agree with you.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And and so you know, you look at it and
this was a this was a effort that at times waned,
but for the most part you saw a lot of
is there's a lot of good that you can take
from this game. It's just that the way things have
(11:08):
ended the previous two games, it makes people go, is
this a good team? And quite frankly, I think that's
a fair question, just based off how they've played right.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yes, absolutely, So with that coming next on the resiss
Here podcast, ivist are Colonel's talk on the web, let's
move to what went wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's kind of next in recips you read We're.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Back on the rest of Here podcast, it's our cardinal's
talk of the way the Cardinals beat the Carolina Panthers
twenty seven to twenty two. Shouldn't have been that interesting
as they went up twenty seven to three after the
first possession of the second half, and from there it
got super interesting.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And so what went wrong?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And people are gonna people have been dumping on Kyler
Murrae and then that's that's fair for the position. But
let us consider that. I don't think Kyler Murray's what
went wrong. There was a play and you said that,
you said it yourself. Is that you know Murray had
(12:12):
one mistake the entire game. He played a very good game.
And then instead of when he tried to throw the
ball away that led to the interception when they could
have at worst been up thirty to nine. They you
know this is these are the It was nine play
seventy six yards touchdown on the second half, nine plays
(12:32):
seventy yards. He gets picked off, and then the one
drive that everyone talks about when they should have been
able to run out the clock, when they should have
gotten into their format an offense, they go three plays four,
they go three and out and have to punt, and
that's when all the interests. But you know, you could
say that Kyler Murray went wrong, but you realize he
(12:55):
didn't get the ball again after that.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, And you know, it's something that it's really easy
to talk about, but it's harder to actually watch, right.
And so one of the things that I talked about
quite a bit was, you know, the interception was you know,
you and I've talked about it off that it wasn't
even a terrible decision. He was trying to throw the
ball away. He just got hit, and it is what
(13:23):
it is. But they got the ball with two minutes
left in the third quarter, and that pick happened with
under eleven minutes left in the fourth quarter on the
Carolina twelve. So the Cardinals went nine plays sixty yards,
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held the ball for over six and a half minutes,
and basically punted to the twelve.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Yeah, and their defense gave up fourteen plays for eighty
eight yards and got the Carolina Panthers offense in a
singular third down before they got into the red zone
one third down, Like that's the type of stuff that
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just That's why I said, I mean, you look at
that play sequence right, like seven yards to Jatavian Sanders,
five yards to Teed McMillan, nine yards to Tommy Trimble,
a six yard run by Tuba Hubbard, passing complete, ass complete.
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You got a defensive holding pass complete to Hunter renfro,
a pass complete to Bryson Tremaine, like pass complete to
Cuba Hubbard, Like how do you allow this offense to
just I mean chunk plays? And that was again I
(15:05):
know Max Melton was out, but that was with will
Johnson Garrett Williams still on the field. And you just,
I mean, you look at that. That is that's just
bad defense. I mean genuinely, just.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Look at the three their possessions in the second half.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So the Cardinals scored the touchdown, so they had the
five and a half minute drive where they went up
twenty four to twenty seven to three. But here are
the next three consecutive drives for the Panthers that the
defense gave up three consecutive drives for touchdowns. Okay, fourteen
plays seventy six yards more than seven minutes, touchdown, then
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the interception happens, fourteen plays ninety three yards or fourteen
fourteen plays eighty eight yards, five and a half minutes
off the clock, touchdown, they go three and out. Then
it's twelve plays seventy six yards touchdown, and then the
onside kick and they get them. And it took honestly,
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it took everything out of that the comic. It was
comical with the things on the stretch. But you know,
the defense, like you take the Kyler interception away. Tyler
played a good game, and there were some good things
about the offense, but kind of if you look at
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it this way, kind of the two things that the
Cardinals were kind of planning on this year, which was
a dominant run game and a much improved defense. They
got almost nothing from the run game and their defense.
Just whether it was simply we're just gonna let you
take your time down the field, maybe maybe that was
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the strategy was, rather than you know, try and get
another big play and get a defensive score, force a
turnover like that, which, by the way, you know, the
start of that game, it looked like Bryce's Bryce Young's
career was headed to the toilet because in five quarters,
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five turnovers, because he had two interceptions in a fumble
in the first game, he had the fumble, the strip fumble,
and then the interception. For so it was looking like
Bryce Young might be hitting bust Phill and then he
ends up throwing three touchdown pass over three hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Havn't.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Honestly, and I will say this, Bryce Young in the
second half did really well and he would played poised.
He just took what was the defense was supposed to
be better, like the defense fourteen plays fourteen place, twelve place.
That's not that's not the defense that this team spent
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lots of money on. That's not how that defense is
supposed to play well.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Like I said, it's interesting how I think I text
you guys the stats, right, It's interesting how they've basically
john about not coming after the quarterback. And part of
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it is they just aren't bringing any pressure. And what
I mean by that is their content to drop seven,
bring four and see what happens. And so you and
I were having this discussion, is this a Hey, we're
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playing bad teams, let's do this right now to see
what we can figure out like that. That's the only
thing I can think right like, because if you're getting
picked apart by Spencer Ratler, who had a good game
against San Francisco as well, so we should mention that
before we you know, talk about San Francisco on Thursday,
but he had a good game against San Francisco and
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then and then Bryce Young in the second half, like adjust,
But maybe they're just like, no, we're just gonna we're
twenty seven to three, man, Like, we're not worried about it.
We're not going to give up twenty four points and
a half. And they didn't, so they're right. But also
did it have to be that close? Right it? And
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so that's that's kind of what my question is.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Well, and that even at the three and out, you
know that three and out that that they had that
led to that, it was just it looked good to
start because on the first play Connor goes for seven yards,
but then he goes for a minus three and then
he had the deep the throw down the field that
he and Wilson were on the same page. Kyler goes deep,
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Wilson breaks off the route. So that was just you know,
what can you say, like, was that Kyler's fault?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Was that?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
But that negative play because it was second and three,
it should have a second three. It should have been
you know, you would have figured that with the way
that they were in the ball that they would be
able to second and three, maybe third and one, pick
up the first down, get it. Honestly, if they get
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one first down on that drive, it's not nearly that,
then it just looks frantic instead of crazy, like you
get the crazy garbage time. But there's never like any hope.
But yeah, that was the other thing. So the defense
is bad. The defense didn't show anything. And I will
say this last year, the Cardinals had a really really
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low blitz rate until like the second half of the season,
and then they turned it up, especially on third down.
It was very interesting how they go about that, like
it's like we're.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Going to do things early.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And maybe it was simply that though, but maybe it
was just the fact they just wanted to to take
it easy, you know, sit back in basic coverage and
let him dink and run the clock out and just
rely on the offense to two clock. And you know
that that one drive just didn't work, and so the
defense and run the ball has been a bad deal
of defense. And guess what the run game? They got
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one hundred and forty six yards against against New Orleans.
But the running backs are averaging like less than three
yards aside from Benson's fifty two yarder, like Connor's averaging
what is he about three yards of carry this year?
And hasn't He's not Look, he's not looked dominant for
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whatever reason, whether it's you know, the magic three zero
and now you can't run the ball, or he hasn't
gotten his legs under him yet, or simply that run
that defense. Defenses are playing the run better because what
was it? I don't know who was I think was
a blake that showed us in the group text. There's
a trend around the league that that the inside run
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is being defended much better this year, and apparently offenses
have not adjusted to that.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Right, And it's really interesting to look at because you
have you know, you then the bulk numbers look fine, right,
two hundred and twenty eight yards and two games four
point seven yards per attempt. There's a touchdown in there,
you know, averaging one hundred, one hundred and fourteen yards.
(22:29):
You know per game all that seems great, right, But
but there's there's two things to it. One, obviously Murray,
but two eighty two of your two hundred and twenty
eight yards are on two carries. So without and I'm
always one of those people who said you can't take
away the but without those two carries, you're averaging three
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point one yards per carry, three point one jess per
team that's supposed to be one of the best run
teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And the fact that that the interior offensive line not
looking good.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
Yeah, so far well, and there's some there's some stats
that are interesting, right. I think when you look at
some different things, I think the first thing that you
look at is what's Kyle Odegard posted it? And I'm
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trying to find it so I get it correct. But
I think the passing game is at top ten and
EPA so expected points per attempt, right, which is really good,
but it also talks about efficiency.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But they're thirtieth, not not thirty eighth, thirtieth.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
In rushing EPA, which if we all had to like
vote before the season, right like after two games, what
would be tenth and what would be thirtieth? Offensively we'd go, okay,
the tenth and rushing at thirtieth and passing that, you know,
the passing games, getting off this, but no, they're they're
super efficient when when they do drop back and throw
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the ball, so that you know that big the question, right, like, okay, well,
how often are they throwing the ball? Well, the twenty
sixth in passing attempts chess twenty sixth, So you're really
efficient doing it, you just don't do it. And here's
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the other crazy thing. They have had the most passes
thrown against them in the NFL. In two games, they
have a one hundred and one passes thrown against them,
one and one Jess.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
But wild and it makes sense because they're.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Winning, right, they're winning. But here's here's the wilder statuess.
They have thirty seven less plays run than their opponents
and like offensive defensive plays not that doesn't include specials,
all that stuff, offensive and defensive plays, they only have
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ninety eight yards difference in total yards. So their opponents,
while still having thirty seven more plays, have only gained
ninety eight more yards than them, which is absurd to think,
but they just they they don't get.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Lightly anomalos it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
It does.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
None of that makes sense any sense. You're like, oh,
well that's good. That means he got a good defense.
But then you look at what they did against the
Panther's like that's not a good defense.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Well, they're playing the ultimate bind, don't break right, like
they're average drive. This is the craziest thing, the average drive.
The Cardinals hold the ball more when they have the
ball three point three or three minutes and thirty seconds
to under three minutes, which is really really good, but
they have less plays six point seven to seven point five,
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and they have the same exact yardage like this thirty
three point five yards per drive thirty three they're giving
up thirty three point four yards per drive. And it's
like wait, wait, wait what like so so these teams
are getting a full play extra per drive, but they're
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getting the same amount of yardage. So it's it's just
like and and that's what I mean. I think I
read somewhere their third in penalties against so far on
the defense.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, they'd been bad penalties wise.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And so that's that's all that is, just is you
just get extra plays because those plays don't count, So
now you have to start again, right, So, like if
it's third and five and you get a you know,
another innocuous you know, uh what illegal illegal touch or
whatever they call you know contact, illegal contact? Thank you
(27:32):
you you go, oh crap, all right, well let's start again.
So now it's now they get three plays, and so
that's what's happening so often and so oh.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
The perfect example of that is they got the fourth
downs is even got the sack strip fumble, and you're like.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yay, turnover and downs we won. Oh there was defensive folding, right, and.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
So you just it's just little stuff, man. And so
that's the thing. It's not even that the defense is
necessarily badly, it's just that they don't get stops in
the second half.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No, so we'll see, maybe we'll see that the game
plan will change against.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well and that's again that's kind of better teams.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I don't know exactly, that's kind of what I'm thinking, right, Like,
it's got to I mean, they've got to change that
overall again. But they've got to run the ball better.
I mean, all of this, all of this is to say,
no matter what, they have to run the ball better.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I mean, that's just it coming on next to the
rest of you.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
hereIt podcast, Bestar Cardinals, Tucker, Let's let's move on, and
let's talk about the injuries, because goodness that cornerback room
that's kind of next and Rise Ups he Red They're
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Speaker 4 (28:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Now, we're going to talk about some injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Because the Cardinals lost three starting cornerbacks during the game.
And this is after they already lost Jean Murphy button
for the year. They already lost Star Thomas for the year,
and at least initially based on what we saw, two
of them look like they could be severe. And then
they lose a defensive lineman again, the two positions where
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they really tried to keep adding players and they cannot,
for the life of them, okay, stay healthy. So alrighty mean,
we know when it comes to the cornerback room, Sean
Murphy Bunting was lost for the year during the off season,
Star Thomas lost for the year in training camp. But
you know, they they drafted, They've drafted the gazillion quarterbacks
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and you're like, okay, we've got this met Well, Johnson's
gonna play.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's gonna be good, Garrett Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Fine, there, they drafted Maximuld last year defensive line as well.
You're like, oh, Justin Jones got injured last year the
Laal Nichols. Then Walter Nolan gets hurt, Justin Jones gets
hurt again.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Now LG.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Colliers hurt and we don't know what the situation is
with that. So they lost all three of their starting cornerbacks.
And and what didn't you say, so Garrett Williams went down late?
If that's an ACL man, that just that's terrible timing.
Max looked pretty bad as well, but in a way
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that isn't maybe season ending, but maybe several weeks. And
then there we had to scare with with will Johnson
turned out like just do his argant knocked out of him,
but apparently he hurt his groin at the end of
the game. And then there's his Instagram posts keeping the faith.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
I'm like, oh, what is this? I don't know, man,
Are the Cardinals cursed?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, it's just one of those things. Man, It's the NFL,
and it's it's a violent, violent sport.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
You know, again, I hate comparing and things like that,
but you know, a kid I've coached for years, literally
snapped his leg and half in our game last week,
like you know, a fourteen year old and just like
snapped his lower leg. And it's just it's one of
those things that you don't even know how to explain it,
and and you know, we're standing there as coaches and
(31:13):
going like why do we do this?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Like it's just it's just so difficult, and because it
is so violent and there's so much going on in
the games, and so we'll just see where it goes to.
I will say this, you know there's a they dropped there.
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They dropped their depth chart nothing, I mean no.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And I will say this, the Cardinals are ridiculous when
it comes in and ridiculous, they are ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, and they could even take somebody's credentials away if
you question it too much.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Pees not to bring up.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Sorry sorry, but the fact of the matter is, like
we when Joe Burrow got hurt later that day, we
knew that he was gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Miss at least three months, like we knew other injuries. Oh,
he's gonna it's gonna cost him the season. He's gonna
be go out for least two months. But the Cardinals,
and I will say this, they're purposely doing this for
whatever reason, because like I put off the tweeted like
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either they have the worst medical staff where there's I
don't know what's wrong and they do things, they have
the worst facilities, the worst communication, or they just don't
want to say anything for whatever reason.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
It just doesn't make sense because I know for a
fact that most of.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The time with the trainers that they have and the
doctors that they have, is they know more or less
in the moment what type of injury it is, and
they have they know that what the worst case is,
and sometimes they find out that it isn't as bad
as it looked, but they'll know based on the type
of the way it happened, what the likely injury is.
(33:21):
But to say Jonathan Gannon the media after I don't
know anything, and they say, oh, we'll know later in
the week, What do you mean you'll know later in
the week. You might know what roster moves you're gonna
do later in the week, But they know one hundred
percent whether these moves are and they time it in
a way so that two of like three pm on Monday,
He's like, oh, I will find out later. He doesn't
talk to the media un till Wednesday before practice, and
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then they're gonna then they're gonna make their roster move announcements.
But and like and to what end? To what end?
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Honestly?
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Yeah, And that's the thing is, you know, if guys
are down for any experience extended period of time, it
makes it really difficult to figure out what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
That being said, it's just, you.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Know, with this organization, there's really nothing that we can
even talk about because they just they're so secretive about
injuries that that there's I mean, we can talk about it,
but we'll really have no no clarification until a move
(34:36):
is actually made, right, Like, we won't even know the
extent of it unless somebody goes on.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Ir right, right, And then that's from the looks of it,
Like if you're looking at like you fear that Melton
and William are both done for the year.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You fear that just the way they react.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
To coming off the field. And then on top of that, LJ.
Collier injures, isn't he as well?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Granted he's depth, he's the back of the depth chart
in terms of the defensive line room, and so you know,
you could bring up an Elijah Simmons or an Anthony
Goodlow or someone like that, but it's just a and
because they're not going to be able to get Justin
Jones back for well, who knows how long he'll be
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he'll be out. We don't know that Walter Nolan is
going to have to miss at least two more games.
And so you're like, can we just can we just not?
Can we just not? Right exactly at the corner that
the positions were, they were loaded, but they weren't loaded
anymore and they're even less loaded. It's just it's just
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it's just struggle. Not that we need anybody else to
get hurt instead, it just but it feels like the
Cardinals have no They just can't.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
They can't not.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's just there the defensive they don't know how to
keep healthy defensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
And apparently this year is the year for all the
cornerbacks to get hurt.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
So right, So Coven next and Rises here a podcast
mist ocone's talking about. Let's talk about one last little
bit we talked a little already, but talk about Murray Harrison.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
In the run game.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
That's coming next and Rise ups you read We're back
on the Rise of Here podcast mist Our Cardinal's Talk
of the Web. Murray Harrison in the run game. We
talked about that a little bit, but let's go with
Harrison because people are really starting to get annoyed at
Harrison's play. His Harrison's usually he only had two catches
for twenty seven yards. He did draw a big what
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fifty eight yard or whatever. It ended up being pass
interference pump penalty, so that and they don't count in
the stats. But that was a huge play. That was
a huge play, and it was a thirty eight yard
pass interference play, so in the end it ended up
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being sixty five yards of stuff. He did have a
drop that was a bad drop there on the sideline,
and then they didn't connect in the end zone. But
people are saying, oh, five targets isn't enough. I mean,
how many targets is the right amount? And how much
of the how much of the the quiet game Harrison
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had was on Harrison and how much was on his usage.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I mean it's a combination, and and I think there's
a lot of stuff that should be discussed in terms of,
you know, understanding game flow and things of that nature.
But the one thing that I would say, I I
you know, and you know, people know my take on this.
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I think they've got to get him more manufactured touches,
not to the extent of like what the bs we
were kind of seeing at the end of fits his
career right where it's just like, all right, here's a
two yard loss on the first play of the game,
so they can get the it's catch out of the way, right,
But like get them more involved. I mean, I will
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say that the you look at the offense. The fourth
play from scrimmage went to him, right, and it was
a it was a p I that got him down
to the five. And then the very next play went
to him and he did what you and I would
consider a poor job right trying to come back and
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make a play on the ball. But you know, and
then and people look at that and go, well, you
got to get them more involved. It's like, well, they
they got the ball to him twice in the first quarter.
One you know, he got the the other there wasn't
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there was something that you probably wanted to see more
from him out of that, right, And then was the
drop in the second quarter. Was it like early in
the second quarter. I don't remember off head.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I don't remember what. I remember where it was, but
I don't remember at what point in the game it was.
But yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So that was like, oh my gosh, Marv, Oh my gosh,
you can't, you can't do that. Although like in fairness,
we don't want we don't get to see them like neighbors,
my late neighbors has had a couple of egregious drops too.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
But here here's my thing on all of that, and
I don't disagree, but like, all right, so you know,
people are again, they have their opinions, and you look
at it, you know one, two, three, four, five, six, second, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
twelve or ten. So they go to they go to
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Marv three times in the first ten place, and he
has I don't want to say the lazy because I'm
not trying to describe it as lazy, but like, you know,
an interesting effort on a on a ball in the
end zone and a drop like not making excuses, but
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also what quarterback slash play callers like, hey, we got
to get back to this guy immediately, right, Like and
again I'm not I'm not saying right or wrong, but
That's just a reality, right, Like if if you if
you get thirty percent of the targets in the first
ten plays and you make zero plays.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
They're going to Elijah Higgins. Now they're going to.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Start looking at in other And I'm not saying it's
right or wrong. I'm just saying that's the reality of.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
The game, run game.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is this a result I don't even know where to start.
Is this a result of the running backs? Is it
missing Will Hernande? Is it guard play? Evan Brown has
been notably worse, noticeably worse than a year ago when
he was he was solid last year not being good
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so far? Isaa Adams?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Eh? How much of it is the backs?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
How much of it is the blocking?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
And how much is just defensive being better?
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I don't know, you know, I think a lot of
it comes down to run blocking. I don't know if
that's missing Clayton Adams. I don't know if that's justin Fry.
I don't know what aspect of the game that is.
But there is an issue I.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Have, like suddenly the alignment don't know how to block
because Adam's not here?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Like is that what it is?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It was Clayton Adams, But but do they really like
what does it?
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Are they teaching different things? I can't imagine they're teaching
different things.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Right, and look at it, you know, yell the role
Holts doing okay, But after that it's I mean, Paris
is even struggling as a run blocker. Evan Brown and
ISAA Adams are both struggling, and and JOHNA. Williams struggling.
So it's like you've got four of your five offensive
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linemen not blocking well in the run game. Things are
really difficult to uh to run the ball right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:31):
And then you know I can't I can't complain about
how Maury's played, you know.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
I I you know I've said this. All the stats
tell the same story. It's not gonna win you a game.
It's not gonna lose you a game. It's gonna keep
you in the game and give you a chance to
you know, be there at the end. But also, the
thing I would say that needs to im through more
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than anything at this juncture would be that you'd like
to see a killer instinct of like like that play
he made to get them inside the red zone. Is
there's I mean, as Lamar maybe the only other player
that can make that play. I mean maybe, and and
(43:21):
don't get me wrong with Lamars the best quarterback in
the NFL right now, but like, does anybody else make
that play? I don't.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I genuinely don't know. Well, that's that's top.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
He He's so special when he runs when especially when
he's like I'm going to because you can tell there's
a difference in the ways he runs, because sometimes we
know how fast he is, and there are very few
times we've seen him actually cut loose on his speed
because he's he's running carefully, more shiftily, And sometimes I
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just wish he would like that, he would just cut
loose and run past someone, but he is so he
is so contact averse, which understandably, he's not a big dude.
He's five ten two twent five ten two ten. That
is not much compared to six three two forty Heisman,
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And isn't It almost feels like he's just doing what
he's asked to be to do. It's almost the exact opposite,
Like it's kind of the opposite of when it was
Clift Kingsbury, right, because Kingsbury is like, Kyler, do your thing,
and Kyler's doing I'm doing what I'm asked that, I'm
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asked to do this, so I'm gonna do this, I'm
gonna be coachable, I'm gonna do this and then that.
But you also, it feels like we get a little
bit less of that take over because we we know
Kyler can take over a game, and it feels like
it's a little more of that. But I think it's
just falling within the scheme.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Right, And here's again I've said this, I just feel
like the scheme itself has been insanely vanilla to start
the season, just like the defense, right, Like, think about this,
they were up twenty seven to three, and they kind
of just hosted and again they had a nine play,
sixty yard six and a half minute drive, you know,
(45:27):
and people are like, oh, you can't make that play.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
You go up.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Okay, you go up thirty to three, Like what, there's
genuinely no difference, Like, okay, so you're up twenty seven.
So they still have to get three touchdowns and three
two point conversions. By the way, if they don't get
all of their two point conversions, then they have to
(45:50):
get four touchdowns. So what's like, you know, that's how
I look at it. So you know, again, I just
go back to the reality of like, the defense in
that situation has to get off the field. It has
to They have to find a way to not give
up forty plays and over two hundred yards in three drives,
(46:18):
like especially when the lost.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Stop and two first downs on offense, and this game
will blowout.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Well, and that's the thing people are like, oh, the
defense was I'm like, yeah, the defense was on the
field because of the defense, I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Defensive it wasn't. Yeah, there was the one bad drive.
They went three and out and then had a couple
of dinner.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
It was the minus play to the Connor and then
the bad route by by Wilson, and after that they
didn't even get the ball back.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
They didn't get the ball back after that.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
Right, but before that, That's what I'm saying is like
they they ran twelve minutes of game time in the
second half off the clock and gained one hundred and
sixty plus yards or one hundred and thirty plus yard excuse.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Me, Like.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
The defense shouldn't have been gassed, but they gave up
a twelve play or yeah, twelve play and a fourteen
play drive back to back, So they were gassed because
they gassed themselves. That's you know, it's just that's why
I said, it's it is what it is, like they
have to finish games on both sides of the ball.
(47:25):
But at the same time, like, let's not excuse the
defense giving up twenty six plays for one hundred and
uh what was it, one hundred and seventy yards in
two series, Like come on, like you gotta you gotta
do something right.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, And with that, let us wrap this this up.
That that'll rep at this edition to the Rise of
Here podcast. Best Cardinal Stockham web my hope. I haven't
talked to him yet, but we can get Kyle Madson
on to do the oponent preview seth and I will
back later this week. And with that that said, Cocks,
I'm just rute. Thanks for listening. As always, we be
back again soon.
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