September 24, 2025 • 55 mins
The Cardinals play the Seahawks at home Thursday night and can make everyone forget about what happened against the 49ers. It will be a tough game. Jess and Seth preview the game. They go over what the Seahawks have done so far this season, look at the keys and matchups to watch, and they make their predictions for the game. They also give you some prop bets to consider.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Z Yes, this is the Rise Up s RED podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hello Razona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest edition
of the Rise Up s he reread podcast, the best
star of Cardinals Talk on the Web. I'm your host
Jess Root from Cardswired dot com USA today's NFL wire
site that covers, of course here Arizona Cardinals and for
our preview show, it is episode seven hundred and two.
Seth Cox from Revenge of the Birds dot com asp
nations Arizona Cardinals site joins me as my co host
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as always as we get to talk about the Cardinals.
As we were doing three shows really packed together, so
we just did our review show of the game against
the forty nine ers. We're doing a preview show picks,
preview picks and predictions and prop bets, and I will
also have Seahawks wires Cole Muskroove on for an opponent
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preview and we've got the Seattle Seahawks coming to town.
Thursday night at State Farm Stadium, kicking off at five
to fifteen pm Arizona time, eight fifteen Eastern Time on
Prime Video, and two two on one teams, but two
two on one teams that have a very different vibe,
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don't they.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah. I talked about it today in our confidence poll.
It's really interesting how the same record and be so
completely different in terms.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Pae vibes, right, Like you look at the losses and
the losses are to the same team, like.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's and the Cardinals was theoretically a better loss, right like,
played a tighter game. You know. So, yeah, all of
that is interesting to kind of follow around and things
of that nture, But you know, it's all about the vibes,
and that's the biggest thing coming into this game. You know,
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the Seahawks, the vibes are positive, Like he says, lose
to the forty nine ers in game one, come out
win a game against the Steelers that was closer than
the score indicated, right thirty one to seventeen, But there
was the botched kick return by Caleb Johnson that resulted
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in a in a Seahawks touchdown that really kind of
changed the landscape of that game. Made it a ten
point game, you know, early in the in the fourth quarter,
and so when you look at it from that perspective,
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it was an interesting game. And then you have last
week where they just come out and absolutely blitz the
New Orleans Saints, right, and they just kind of put
up big numbers, play well, have more really you know,
successful special teams. You know, they had a they had
a ninety six yard punt return, they got what or
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Jason myersfield goals, a three Jason myersfield goal. Like it
it was, don't get me wrong, a forty four to
thirteen boat whooping. But like, there was a lot of
of things that went right for the for the Seahawks
in different ways. And so when you look at it
from that that, you know they're they're an interesting team.
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And but again, vibes matter, right, Like coming off a
win where it's forty four thirteen over a team the
Cardinals only beat, you know by a touchdown and things
of that nature, and then the Cardinals are coming off
a loss, like all of that is, it's just there
are just more positives right now about the Seahawks despite
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the same record.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting now in fairness, they look better.
They look better on both sides of the ball. Well,
they look better definitely offensively, as they put up they
put up forty four and thirty one. And now, granted
you said, what a weird play, they just recover a
kickoff in the end zone for a touchdown. Very odd.
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But the fact of the matter is that Sam Darnold's
been solid. He's playing very effectively, and he darn near
led them to a win in Week one. He got
Nick Bosad down in the red zone right at the
end of the game, but after Brock Purty threw a
touchdown path to put San Francisco in the lead, they
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went down the field that they've been Everything about the
Seahawks has been pretty good. The defense has been good,
the offense has been good. Sam Darnold has been good,
Jackson Smith and Jigba has turned into a star. So
there's there's Honestly, there is a lot to like about
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this team. Like they gave up nearly four hundred yards
to the forty nine Ers, but now against the Steelers
to sixty seven against the Saints two eighty four. They
forced turnovers in every single game. However, they are turnover
prone because they've taken the ball away five times and
they've turned the ball over five times, and so there's
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they're a little bit loose with the football early in
the season. But they are a team that's got a
lot going on for them.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They are. And you look at it too, like there's
some much like the Cardinals, there's some reality to their wins,
right that the Pittsburgh Steelers are not a good football team.
That's all. You know, become a parent. They're they're not
the Pittsburgh Steelers of old. Yes, they beat the the
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New England Patriots on Sunday twenty one to fourteen, but
I mean they had two hundred and three total yards
of offense, but they forced five turnovers on defense, although
they gave up three hundred and sixty nine yards and
and you know, the Steelers are giving up over nearly
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four hundred yards a game on offense. They're twenty eighth, right,
And so so that game the week before by the Seahawks, again,
that's an interesting win. I mean, it's not what you
would call like a signature win by any means. And
then we know what the Saints are. Although, man, the
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NFL is weird, right, Like a week after the Cardinals
beat the Panthers and it looks like a bad wind.
The Panthers go beat the brakes off the Atlanta Falcons.
You know, I was reading somebody I can't remember who
said it, so I apologize in advance for not remembering.
But do you know how hard it is to be
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shut out in the NFL anymore? Like? Really how hard
it is? Uh? And and you know, the Falcons got
shut out by the Panthers at home on top of
everything or no, they were sorry that it was it
was the Panthers were home. But so, you know, those
are all interesting things to kind of look at. And
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you look at the Seahawks and like you said, Sam
Darnold's playing good football, but it's it's a different type
of football, something that you and I have talked about
and that we would refer probably to see a little
more of. And that's and that's they're very aggressive in
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what they're doing in the passing game. Their run game
really hasn't taken off, although you know they do have
one game over one hundred yards rushing. But you know, realistically,
they're playing the brand of football that I think a
lot of Cardinals fans were hoping to see the Cardinals play.
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In terms of coming out this year, you know, the
their twelfth and passing offense twenty first in passing rushing offense,
but twenty ninth in rushing yards per attempt.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Like.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Not great, But then you look at the other side
of it, right then, they're elite against the runs. So
it's going to be the it's going to be the
movable force against the what is it, the irresistible object
or whatever the thing is, because the Cardinals can't run
ball and the Seahawks don't allow teams to run the ball,
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So that you know, as we get into this, that'll
be something to watch.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And that remember last season, thing that turned with the
addition of Ernest Jones because they were a terrible run
defending team. They they let go of the linebackers they
had and they they got Ernest Jones, and Ernest Jones
has been fantastic. But I think what's even more impressive
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Byron Murphy, their first round pick a year ago looks
like a first round pick. Two and a half sacks,
fourteen tackles, five quarterback hits in the first three games
of the season. When when Murphy last year as a
rookie looked very ordinary. And they've got five guys on
that defensive interior Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams, and Jaron Reid,
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who all have five quarterback hits so far. And so
the defensive interior Mike McDonald is putting together. He's doing
really well. He's doing in Seattle what he did in Baltimore.
And they haven't given up more than seventeen points yet
this season. That's to go with the fact that they
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are fifth in scoring their second in scoring defense, which
is early in the season. That's jat looks really good.
And you know, I think for me with the impressive
things about this is that Sam Darnold is continuing to
play well. Because I openly questioned if he was an
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upgrade over Gino Smith, and thus far he has like
I felt at best he was a lateral, younger move
than Gino, but perhaps he has a little bit higher
seily because Gino has been pretty good in Gino like
Gino has become a pretty dang good quarterback. And Seth
when when you liked him coming out of college, it
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took a while, but he proved you're right, and it
seems like anybody it seems like everybody has to get
out of New York to kind of thrive.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, and you look at it, you know, and what's
interesting about Sam Darnold is that he is, you know,
a very.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Risk taking quarterback, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So Carson Palmer Man, he's Carson Palmer.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It really is a great, you know, comparison, just because
you're talking about a guy that doesn't really care if
he turns the ball over, like just he's like whatever, like,
which is just so different than what we're used to
seeing in terms of just in terms of all of football, right, Like,
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that's just not something that that we see anymore. But
he's he's playing at that high level. And what's interesting
is that you've got guys that are kind of throwing
back to what worked before, and that is a guy
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that can take big shots consistently and then not have
to worry about the mistakes because you're going to give him,
you're going to give him an opportunity to make up
for it, right So, you know, you kind of look
at his season so far, four touchdowns to two interceptions.
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It's not like we're talking about a guy that's you know,
lighting the world on fire, right, Like four touchdowns same
as Kyler. Two interceptions, you know, one one more than Kyler.
But he's playing at an outrageously aggressive level. And after
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last year where he you know, went fourteen and three
and had over forty three hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns,
Like you said, he's kind of backing that up at
a at a different type of pace, right, Like last
year was a lot of volume. And I don't mean
that in a negative way, but you look at that
that twenty four.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Minnesota, Minnesota offense was just was cooking, and so he
had volume opportunities too, right, and then nobody weapons. They
ran the ball really well, they got great receivers, they
protected well, and so they had volume offense.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Whereas this year he's only thrown the ball seventy four times, right,
and so he's he's doing it at a much more
efficient rate than what we saw last year. You know.
The other thing with that is that when you have
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games like he has had and you look at his
week to week, right, and that's kind of what's really
interesting is he had a I mean an average game
in week one, right, sixteen or twenty three for one
hundred and fifty yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions, kind of
a non descript game, part of the reason they didn't win,
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right and then and then a week two we talked
about the Pittsburgh defense, like they're not like they're forcing
turnovers at a standard Pittsburgh defensive rate, but they just
give up yardage two hundred and ninety five yards passing
two touchdowns to go with those two interceptions. But then
last week against New Orleans, who who just was outclassed.
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I mean, he only threw the ball eighteen times for
two hundred and eighteen yards and the two touchdowns, but
like a twelve point one yards per attempt average. That's
that's a wild number. And so that'll be kind of
what's to watch. You know, last year he was at
seven point nine. This year though he's at nine even
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and and so.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like was was that it's not going to be sustainable.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So and so that'll be what's interesting because the Cardinals,
you know, defense has been as we talked about, death
by a thousand cuts. It hasn't been big plays. You know,
They've they've ideally kept everything in front of them and
forced teams to go the long, hard road to to
score points. And so that'll be what's interesting this week
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is are we going to have a game where what
breaks right? Do the do the Seahawks maintain that aggressive
down the field type of thing or are they more
willing to take their time dink and dunk and kind
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of move the ball down the field. What's really interesting
to me, Jess is that Kenneth Walker's outperformed all Cardinals
running backs. I don't want this to come off like
sorry grapes or anything, but I mean eighty eight attempts
for two hundred and eighty eight yards. That's three point
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three yards per card right, Like, how as a team
can you not run the football efficiently but you're still
able to get explosive plays? And I'm genuinely asking because
that's what we've kind of been wondering with the Cardinals
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is like their their past game is so much built
on quicks and getting the ball out because they can't
run the ball right now, that how are you able
to get the ball and push the ball down the
field so efficiently when you literally just like there's no
run threat and don't get again, Kenth Walker, I don't know,
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way better season than any Cardinals running back. So I
don't mean that in the negative connotation it's coming out
in but that's just you know, a genuine curiosity from me.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But because the other guys aren't producing, and he's averaging
four over four yards of carry. But Zach Charbona two
point one, George Hallani two point seven, like, yeah, that's
it's he's doing well and everyone else is getting getting stuffed.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But but I mean even four yards of carry, now,
like we'd be like, that's just not very efficient. And again,
like you said, it's it's clearly the best of either team. Well,
I mean, technically Trey Benson's averaging six yards per carry, but.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We run, yeah, and that's and and Benson has been
boom or bust. But if you're as a lead back,
you're gonna have to be far more consistent than that.
Otherwise it's going to be three and out, three and out, down,
three and out, three and out field goal because you
can't consistain.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Now, I think what the difference is is that the
the Reapers they have well partial I'm gonna I'm going
to say that probably Clinton Kubiak's scheme and philosophy lends itself,
and especially the mentality of Sam Darnold, because you've got
receivers very like one an elite receiver who's become an
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elite with another that the Ohio State receivers, you know,
Jack Smith and Jigmu fantastic and Mika Buka who's looking
oh my gosh this year, Marv is the mars looking
the most disappointing so far. But you've got Jackson Smith
and Jigma and Cooper Cup who are as reliable as possible.
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And they're types of guys who who will create separation.
That's kind of their specialty. They create separation and and
and that's what you need. Like Darneld can trust him,
and so he's able to he's able to push that
ball down the field and get the ball to them.
And then I don't know what their yards after the
catch situation is it is it pushing the ball down
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the field or is it is it it partially yards
after the catch?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean so his A dot's pretty I mean aggressive. Still,
I'll double check that right now as we talk. But
like you know, one of the things with these a
lot of these teams is that they're as we talked
about in our previous show, is like they're not risk adverse.
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And I gotta say the Cardinals are very risk adverse
as we've talked about. Yes, you know, like they're like, hey,
let's not have anything happen. Yeah. So I mean his
a dot right now. So average depth of targets nine
point three yards, Like that's again, that's absurd, dude.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Like into the sticks, that's amazing, right, But he's trying
to the sticks every play, so so like so he's
trying like every throw is a first down throw.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, And so that's the hard part. And and that's what
you kind of have to look at. And you look
at his his career that you said it, he's he's
Carson Palmer, right, that's his that's what he does. He
tries to push the ball down the field consistently. It
wasn't until last year that it really became something that
he could do with success. And now it's it's showing
up again this year at a at a good rate.
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And and like I said, last week was absurd. Eleven
and a half yards was his average depth of target.
Like that's an absurd that's that's just an absurd way
to throw the ball. Like it just it doesn't happen
anymore in today's game. And I know people be like, well,
that's because you know Kyler. No. No, like if you
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just look by the position, it just doesn't really happen
that much anymore in the game because the game's built
so much on not getting beat deep. So, you know,
like you said, the the Seahawks, I don't know why
my brain was stuck on the forty nine ers. The
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Seahawks were, you know, are really content on pushing the
ball or intent I guess, pushing the ball down the
field consistently and saying like, hey, let's you know, let's
go ahead and make force you to defend us. And
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and you look at you know, all all season and
things of that nature. One of the things that that
you look at with just this this season is you've
got a lot of guys that are in that that
six to eight range. You know, that's that Tyler's been
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in for a long time. I mean, Murray to uh
Drake May, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, like the the goal
is Jared Goff sorry, you know, and like it goes
up you know, Brock Purty and then the other ones
that aren't outside of outside of Lamar. It's it's really
not surprising, right you got you got Jordan Love, you
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got Justin Herbert, you got Darnald, you got Gino, you
got Russell Wilson, and you got JJ McCarthy. And so
the difference being that outside of outside of Herbert and Lamar, like,
none of them are producing at really that high of level.
Like Love's doing pretty well, right, but for the most part,
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it's it's it's not going that way. And so what
what it comes down to is that there's no right
or wrong way to skin a cat. You know, you
look at this season touchdown leaders, right, uh, Jared Goff
his A dot is seven point two, Caleb Williams his
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A dots eight point eight, Aaron Rodgers says seven touchdowns,
his A dots five point eight, like, and then you
got Lamar at nine and his A dots ten ten
point four. So like there's a different way to go
about it, in a different way to have success in it.
And right now Darnold's one of the few that's doing
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it at a high level, throwing the ball vertically and
pushing the ball vertically. And I, you know, I think
that that Carson Palmer comparison, whether you know you've been
thinking about it or just came to you. That's a
that's a really accurate one.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
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at State Farm Stadium, What the Cardinals will need to
do to win the game, what matchups are going to
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be important, and the first thing we have to note
is that this is going to be It's going to
be the Trey Benson game. It's going to be Trey
Benson and a Mariti Mercado as the guys at running back.
It will be a Greg Dortsch game because Zay Jones
is in concussion protocol and there's no way to get
out of cosion concussion protocol when you don't practice like
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you do on a Thursday game. And we might be
looking at Josh Fryer as the starting left tackle or
Jonan Williams at left talk tackle, Josh Fryer at right
tackle because Paris Johnson and Calvin Beach and both have
knee andies and their status is unknown. What we do
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know is that they signed Demandre Jenkins Jacob's a tackle
off their practice squad, which suggests that they needed a
backup tackle, which means Josh Fryer oh more injuries. So
they're they're gonna be That's gonna be an interesting way
to go. What do you think is going to be
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kind of key number one? What's going to be the
most important factor for Arizona to be able to slow
or even compete with Seattle.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That's the biggest thing I'm curious about is how they
go about this. So you know, they've done a you know,
wonderful job this year of really stopping the run at
a higher level, something that we didn't know if they
were going to be able to do. Yeah, they're they're
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they are struggling against the past. But again, I think
a lot of that comes down to excuse me, sorry,
comes down to just how much you know, we're seeing
them in in or be up in games, right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like that was the case, and that definitely the first
two weeks is that they got up and they just
started They played there, they played their basic PreventT they
like prevent ish just dropping guys back and letting people
dink and dunk down the field, which, like we said
in our last show, that's kind of a bad plan
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when all you need is a field goal like they
did against the forty nine ers, because it lets them
get down the field in the field goal range, right.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And so you just kind of look at it. And
so I think obviously the Seahawks offense rust the Cardinals
past defense is interesting, but to me, it becomes more
about who continues to defend the run at a high level.
The Cardinals are sixteenth in rushing offense, the Seahawks twenty first,
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but the Cardinals are fourth in rushing defense. But again
I think, you know, I'll double check, but I think
they've you know, faced like the third or or something
like that fourth least amount of rushing attempts. Their yards
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per attempt to average is about ten to two. But
then they faced literally the most passes thrown of any
team in the NFL, And so I guess the yardage
being thirtyeth right, thirtieth against the past. Technically it's not
a bad.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Thing, not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It just it just goes back to what we've said.
They don't they're they're comfortable allowing a lot of pass
yards in exchange for chewing clock, kicking field goals and
things of that nature. Two of the top five scoring
defenses in the NFL. The biggest difference being that, you know,
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the Seahawks are top five in scoring offense while the
Cardinals are are nineteenth in scoring offense. The Cardinals are,
you know, have the takeaway plus again, they've got one
turn They've they've committed one turnover all year, so they're
turnover ratios plus two. Whereas the Seahawks, again, they're more
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risks taking and they're willing to go throw the ball
down the field. They're willing to put the ball in
harm's way a little more. So those are all going
to be interesting things because to me, it really comes
down to and either team throw or sorry, run the
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ball well, because it's genuinely just like the Seahawks average
two hundred nineteen yards passing per game, They're gonna get
two hundred nineteen yards passing if not more, against this
Cardinals defense. I mean they the Cardinals haven't held anybody
to a low passing yardage total because they want you
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to dink and dunk and work your ways down the field,
So I think you know, to that aspect, that's gonna
be one of the big things to watch in this one.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Two things have been a factor in the last couple
of games against the Seahawks, and one is how much
duress Murray is under and then turnovers. Those those have
been the bugaboos against against Seattle like we saw last year,
the Leonard Williams takeover and and I guess that's gonna
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be kind of matchup Number one is how does the
defensive interior, Yel the fro hole and Evan Bryan More,
Isaiah Adams match up against Leonard Williams, who was just
absolutely a monster against them in that first game last season.
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That becomes for me the matchup number one because you've
got to and the way that the defense, the offensive
interior because Evan Brown Isaiah Adams not played well this year,
and so the blend of of how I guess it's honestly,
it's not just Leonard Williams. It's going to be Leonard
Williams and Byron Murphy and Jaron Reed because those guys
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have been have been very productive, They've been very disruptive
through the first three games of the year.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well, what's interesting is, you know, the Cardinals or there,
they're similar in terms of giving up pressures. The Cardinals
have given up thirty five pressures on the season, the
Hawks thirty. I know, I know five is quite a
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bit of a difference, but you know, you look at
it the the Again, the Cardinals are one of the
lowest passing attempt teams in the NFL. The Seahawks aren't
far behind them, though, to be fair, I mean, it's
just not neither team looks at the passing games as
the key to their offense, you know, And so that's
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that's gonna be something like who creates more pressures, Who's
the one that's able to force these quarterbacks to speed
up and to really you know, have a tough time
because they've both been playing at a very consistent and
high level in terms of accuracy and things of that nature.
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From there, it just becomes the question of who is
able to get home more. When you look at the
Cardinals this year, their pressure percentage isn't I guess we
would say, uh, elite, Yet they're very again, they're they're
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incredibly comfortable kind of allowing teams to to go short,
to go quick. Uh they're they're looking at things through
the shade or the lens of how where are we
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most vulnerable and how do we get beat? And the
Seahawks and Mike McDonald are kind of the opposite of that, right,
they're like, how do we force this team into pressures?
How do we force our opponent into making mistakes and
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watch or kind of you know, playing to our strength
and we are forcing the issue where the Cardinals are
a little more comfortable for whatever reason, allowing the game
to come to them. So again, it just comes down
to like, what is the what is the right way
to go about it? Can the Cardinals, especially with a
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banged up offensive line and and what has been not
I mean, the the past protection hasn't been horrid, not
like the run blocking right, like the run blocking the
Cardinals has been atrocious. The past protection hasn't been awful.
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Wouldn't would you not agree with that?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's been pretty it's been pretty alright. There's been some pressure,
a little bit of pressure on Murray, but he's actually
been pretty good about his pocket awareness overall.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
But yeah, that's so so, you know, that'll be a
big thing. And then again, I mean, jess, are they
gonna be able to run the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I mean, let's just be honest that the Cardinals run
blocking grades are bad. And so when you have really
bad run blocking grades and you're not able to generate
pressure or sorry, movement consistently, I mean, it's gonna be
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an issue. And that's gonna be one of those situations
where we'll see how this kind of flips. But right now,
they're not a good run blocking team and they're facing
you know, a top two maybe four run defense in
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the NFL. So that's gonna be a matchup to watch.
And then Jackson Smith and Jake But nobody stopped them
all season, right like you talked about it earlier. No
nobody has stopped him. So is a is a beat
up Cardinals secondary gonna be able to stop him? I mean,
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he's averaging. Here's the crazy thing. Just they're so preductive
and they score so many points. Sam Darnold has four
passing touchdowns, Kenneth Walker only has three rushing touchhouns. And
I say only because it's like your your top five
in points scored, but nobody's scoring a lot of touchdowns
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for this team. It's because they've you know, created a
lot of special teams touchdowns. They've they've really done it
in different ways. I mean Tory Horton, I think he's
the second year player I can't remember off the top
of my head, has two receiving touchdowns, then Smith and
Jigba has one, A J. Barner has one, and then
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again rushing touchdowns, Kenith Walker has ree Sharvon has won.
Like it's not like they're thirty points per game, are
coming from this greatest show on turf aerial assault, or
they're just like running, you know, gashing guys like Derrick Henry.
It's been kind of a lot of.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Luck and looks they've got ten touchdowns in their three games.
They got four rushing. For receiving, they got Horton, he's
a rookie. By the way, Horton had a return for
a touchdown, punt return for touchdown, Hallani recovered the kickoff
in the end zone for a touchdown. So it's it's
and honestly, you know who's been their most productive scorer
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thus far overall, it's the rookie Horton. He's got two
receiving touchdowns and a punk return for a touchdown so
far this season.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, I mean Smith and Jigba is doing his best
best Trade McBride impersonation, right, I mean three seven receiving
yards and one touchdown. So it's it's just interesting, man Like,
it's it's a really interesting game because you know what
the keys are, right, like, can can this team run
the ball against an elite run defense?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They got a first turnover?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well the other thing, but again it's tough because you
know that you look again at what happened, and and
you know San Francisco brock Party through two interceptions, Aaron
Rodgers through two interceptions, and then and then Spencer Rattler
through an interception.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You've got That's why the defense has to create takeaways
because Seattle takes the ball away.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
So you've got at least and and and so that's
the thing is my concern with this game, if I'm
being completely honest, My biggest concern with this game is
that we've now seen that, even in big games, that
this coaching staff is so risk averse that they would rather,
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you know, they would rather kind of, Oh, let's just
keep running into a brick wall. Oh let's just throw
these quick swings, these screens, these quick outs. Let's not
push the ball down the field we're up or you know,
it's tied, we don't need to push the ball down
the field. And so that's my concern is that it's
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a similar game to what we saw on Sunday, where
it's a lot of it's a lot of oh, we'll
just we'll just force them to punt, and we'll punt
if we need to, and like, we're not we're not
worried about getting the ball vertical. We're just gonna we're
gonna because they force so many turnovers, we don't want
to put our defense in a bad position. Like it's
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just it's a weird, weird thing to me, but I
do understand it coming from a defensive coach, right like
it Unfortunately, it makes a lot of sense that it's like,
oh no, I trust my defense, like just don't screw
it up offense type of thing. And so that'll be
what's interesting to watch because if they do get behind,
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we've seen that they're more than capable of pushing the
ball vertical where they're more than capable of of throwing
the ball with a lot of efficiency. So we'll see
what happens coming next.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
On the rece of Here podcast, Besial our Cardinals talking weather.
Let's be to the final segment where we talk picks,
tradictions and give us some propics that we like. That's
coming next, and receps he read We're back on the
rest of hered podcast, but our Cardinals stalk on the
web as we hit the prediction part of this show.
The Cardinals were actually one point favorites to start the
week that has since shifted. They were they were one
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point favorites on them on the spread, but it was
even they were a pick them on the money line.
That has shifted slightly in favor of the Seahawks, who
are now minus one fifteen on the money line and
minus one with the spread. Guess what the public significantly
favors the Seahawks. They're picking a sixty nine percent of
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the handle is going on the Seahawks to win out right,
and seventy three percent of the spread bets on are
on the are on the Seahawks to cover. And then
of course with the over under with the total, you've
got forty three and a half as a set and
seventy five percent say it's going to hit the over.
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It doesn't like if this game doesn't get out of hand, right,
like this could be like I could see this getting ugly.
But I also if the Cardinals, if the Cardinals are
competitive game, it's going to be another mucky game. I
think I'm one hundred percent comments this is going to
be another mucky game. If if the Cardinals are competitive,
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then I'd like to think that they're going to come
out out and compete in this game. They're at home
on the Thursday night, coming off a very disappointing end
to last game. What we do know is that the
Cardinals tend to bounce back, and so I want to
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say that the Cardinals are gonna to sneak away with
an ugly win and say it's going to be twenty
to nineteen Cardinals in this one.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
By the way, I was almost like perfectly accurate with
my prediction outside of the covered So you know, you've
talked about it quite a bit of good teams. When
great teams cover the Cardinals cover, they should have won
and covered. But if they should have, but you look
at it, this is this is the game that's going
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to be ugly. Man, I really do think so. And
I don't I see the Cardinals falling to two in two.
I think it's gonna be a lot of hand ringing
and a lot of oh the sky is falling. But
it's just they're in such a bad spot physically right now. Unfortunately.
I think they're gonna end up losing this one, and
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I'll say it's a twenty one to twenty Seahawks win.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Now we go to come with some of the props.
So we both we both like the under for this game.
We think it's gonna be in terror Like we think
this is gonna be one of those years where Cardinals
Sands are gonna have a hard time watching the Cardinals play.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, here's here's an interesting thing, Jess. Is there any
rushing props for the Seahawks right now for you?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh, honestly, there's not. It's just Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, so the Trey Bens and Kyler Murray, Imri de
Mercado all along there for the Cardinals on FanDuel and
as just said Sam Darnold. So, I don't know if
there is an issue a concern with sharbon Ay. I mean,
he was full in practice today. I genuinely don't wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Was inactive in that game on against I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Uh, he must have been Yeah, but I mean Kenneth Walker,
why wouldn't Walker, I mean he's not on that. I'm
just you know, spitballing.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
But which is weird because they got the receiving props,
they got kicking props, they got the passing props. It's
just they don't have the rushing props for.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Either the Seahawks. Seahawks interesting thing when those do come up.
Just to just to take a peek at we were
talking about Kenneth Walker in his four point two yards
per carrie average. Here's here's the deal on that. He
had twenty yards against the forty nine Ers in thirty
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eight yards on sixteen carries against the Saints. So his
one game against the Steelers is doing a lot of
heavy lifting for his total for the year. And so
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like in comparison to the Steelers are are giving up Now.
I kind of always discount the games against teams like
the Jets with justin fields, right, but you look at
the Seahawks game and then the Patriots game. They give
up one hundred and seventeen one hundred nineteen yards rushing.
So the Steelers, again, their defense is not what it
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has been in your past Kenneth Walker against the Cardinals.
I don't love any of his rushing props unless it's
like forty five and a half, Like I genuinely just
stay away from it, Trey Benson, I I am not
touching sixty and a half with a ten foot pole.
I don't know how you feel, but like there's a
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zero percent chance I'm betting that right now.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Right yeah, I honestly, what I do like is the
longest rush I think for I think for Marie Uh,
he's got longest rushes over twelve and a half yards,
and I think he's good for one of those a
game where he's gotta I would agree, I do like that.
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And then.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Are we taking are we riding the smith and Jigba train? Man? Like?
Is this? Is that? Is that just something that you
take advantage of until they make it so untenable you
can't bet it anymore. I mean, one hundred and seventy
yards per game is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I mean it's only an eighty and a half. Like
I guess, like, you've got to go, You've got to
You've got to, don't. You kind of have to, right,
and you do the over and latterate to one hundred
at get the plus on top.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Of that, right, and you think about you think about
Game three, he didn't even play the fourth quarter and
he had ninety six yards rush or sorry receiving.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
So especially after we saw like Ted McMillan went over
one hundred, pearsall went over one hundred and so and
you know the I don't remember how the Saints did,
but a lave.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, Juwan Johnson is the one that kind of killed
him from that standpoint. So yeah, So I mean I think, yeah,
I think you've nailed it. Right. You take the over
eighty four and a half on fando, I don't know
what it is on better.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Eighty and a half, it's only eighty and a half.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
So take that, you can get ninety plus a plus
one oh four and then what's your plus one hundred.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Plus it's plus one forty Okay.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
So that's where you go to fandle plus one fifty
four like ladder that thing up. Take them all, I
who until until somebody stops him. That's I mean, I
think you got to play. It's one of those you
come back to it every week. Now. The other one
that I like is is Trey Benson and I said,
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don't touch his don't touch his receiving or his rushing yards.
But his total receptions is three and a half.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
We've seen I don't, so I don't. I think we're
gonna get more. And I wish deMercado was listed on
here because de Mercado is gonna now, I will say,
because they do, like they were using Connor in the
so that that might be a good play. Like it's yeah,
do you get plus odds on do you get plus
odds on on over three and a half because it's
plus one oh five for over three half receptions.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
So that's a little better there. It's minus one o
two here, So yeah, I would go I would go
with that. I like that that bet though, man, it's again,
I just think that they're gonna be focused on getting
the ball out quick. You've got a really good aggressive defense.
They're going to try to be conservative over three and
a half is I like that. I wouldn't ladder it
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by any means, but I like that. And then you
mentioned Demarcado. He doesn't have any any any receiving props.
So he does have a fourteen over fourteen and a
half yard rushing that's one to watched for me because.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's only now granted what it's over twelve and a
half for BET and GM, but it's minus one thirty five,
so it's not that great.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Just and you know what that is that he's good
for two draw plays on third and long.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
And that's the kind of been my thought process on that.
It's like, oh, okay, the other one that I'm you know,
it is interesting to me because Pittsburgh again I hate
going back to this defense isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And then we saw New Orleans defense. Sam Donald over
seven and a half yards rushing. He's still mobile, the
difference being that when he does scramble, it's too typically
throw deep. So that'll be something to kind of to
watch because that's that's a tough one. But I do
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like his over seven and a half yards rushing in
this one because I do think the Cardinals pass rush,
especially if the game is close, that they're gonna they're
gonna continue to go after him in this one.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I like Sam Donald over half an interception for even money.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, I don't hatred. I don't hate that at all.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
That's I mean, he like I said, he takes chances
with the ball. The Cardinals have done a really, really
nice job this year. Let's see what it is. Yeah,
it's better where you're uh. Mine's minus one thirteen, so
even money is way better.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Then. I don't love. I don't love the passing props.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
No, i'd stay away from.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Ida props are no good this week. The kicking props
are no good this week. They're just fine. It's minus
one and a minus one oh five for Ryland over
one and a half field goals. I think fine.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
I think they cut onto d.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Like the problem we had like last I was like
I said, take take both the kickers, Take both the
kickers on two plus and they hit.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Kyler's Kyler's rushing yards hit yep. And and I think
I had Trey McBride on any time touchdown too.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
And by the way, we were severely limited on on
what we could bet last week, so so this week
outside of the Seahawks rushing props, which again I would
just stay away from. Man like, I genuinely wouldn't even
bet outside of the Darnald one because I think he's
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gonna be under some under some pressure this week. I
I I would stay away from their rushing game because again,
it's been one game that they've looked. Okay, that's why
I still I I genuinely just don't know how their
their passing offense works without any viable run game whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, anything else? What about touchdown scores? Do you like
any of the anytime touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (51:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Because I have no idea who's gonna score in this game.
You know, I guess the safe here one is probably
Kenneth Walker, right.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, But here's here's my here's my big value one.
I think it's Greg dorts at plus eleven hundred. I
wish that's one of the receiving props to watch if
you see him pop up on receptions, mate, I would
bet it might be one and a half or two
and a half. And since he's going to be number three,
Kyler loves throwing the ball to him. Depending on what
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the odds are, I'd take over. Like, if it shows
up at one and a half or two and a half,
I'd take that. But if you're talking just anytime touchdown
for some value, you know, Greg Dortsch at plus eleven
hundred is I like that one? And at the same time,
Elijah Higgins at plus two thousand. A guy who viably
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could get a good end zone, who could get an
end zone target, could get you could you could pay off,
you could hit big on that.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that one. The other one
that's interesting to me is Eric Souerbrought Soerbert the like
third tight end or maybe even four tight end. The
reason I say that is, and I know it's a
different regime, but this, damn it, the Seahawks always do
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something weird in the red zone and it's always like
a Jake Bobo or who is it?
Speaker 2 (53:13):
You can get Souburn to Boba plus twenty five hundred
man right.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Like and and so Bobo has no targets this year.
So that's why I would stay away from that. But like,
I'm trying to remember who was the guy a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Had a couple of Scoresisley's one, and then.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Bobo had a couple of scores against him. I remember, Oh,
Hoby Parkinson, That's who it was. And so it's always like, ah, man,
how did these guys score? And so that's and and
Parkinson might have been with the Rams. I don't remember
who it was with, but Yeah, like those like third
tight ends, those blocking tight ends, those nobody receivers like that.
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They always kill the Cardinals for some reason in the
in this matchup.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
With that, We'll wrap up this edition to the Rise
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seven of two. It's our Cardinals Seahawks preview. We have
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be much time between them because hey, we got a
game on Thursday. Then you're gonna have to wait for
(54:29):
wait for next week we can talk about that. So
until then, that's seth Cox. I'm Jess Rude. Thanks for listening.
As always, we will be back again soon.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
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as always as we get to talk about the Cardinals.
As we were doing three shows really packed together, so
we just did our review show of the game against
the forty nine ers. We're doing a preview show picks,
preview picks and predictions and prop bets, and I will
also have Seahawks wires Cole Muskroove on for an opponent
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preview and we've got the Seattle Seahawks coming to town.
Thursday night at State Farm Stadium, kicking off at five
to fifteen pm Arizona time, eight fifteen Eastern Time on
Prime Video, and two two on one teams, but two
two on one teams that have a very different vibe,
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don't they.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah. I talked about it today in our confidence poll.
It's really interesting how the same record and be so
completely different in terms.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Pae vibes, right, Like you look at the losses and
the losses are to the same team, like.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
It's and the Cardinals was theoretically a better loss, right like,
played a tighter game. You know. So, yeah, all of
that is interesting to kind of follow around and things
of that nture, But you know, it's all about the vibes,
and that's the biggest thing coming into this game. You know,
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the Seahawks, the vibes are positive, Like he says, lose
to the forty nine ers in game one, come out
win a game against the Steelers that was closer than
the score indicated, right thirty one to seventeen, But there
was the botched kick return by Caleb Johnson that resulted
(02:42):
in a in a Seahawks touchdown that really kind of
changed the landscape of that game. Made it a ten
point game, you know, early in the in the fourth quarter,
and so when you look at it from that perspective,
(03:02):
it was an interesting game. And then you have last
week where they just come out and absolutely blitz the
New Orleans Saints, right, and they just kind of put
up big numbers, play well, have more really you know,
successful special teams. You know, they had a they had
a ninety six yard punt return, they got what or
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Jason myersfield goals, a three Jason myersfield goal. Like it
it was, don't get me wrong, a forty four to
thirteen boat whooping. But like, there was a lot of
of things that went right for the for the Seahawks
in different ways. And so when you look at it
from that that, you know they're they're an interesting team.
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And but again, vibes matter, right, Like coming off a
win where it's forty four thirteen over a team the
Cardinals only beat, you know by a touchdown and things
of that nature, and then the Cardinals are coming off
a loss, like all of that is, it's just there
are just more positives right now about the Seahawks despite
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the same record.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting now in fairness, they look better.
They look better on both sides of the ball. Well,
they look better definitely offensively, as they put up they
put up forty four and thirty one. And now, granted
you said, what a weird play, they just recover a
kickoff in the end zone for a touchdown. Very odd.
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But the fact of the matter is that Sam Darnold's
been solid. He's playing very effectively, and he darn near
led them to a win in Week one. He got
Nick Bosad down in the red zone right at the
end of the game, but after Brock Purty threw a
touchdown path to put San Francisco in the lead, they
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went down the field that they've been Everything about the
Seahawks has been pretty good. The defense has been good,
the offense has been good. Sam Darnold has been good,
Jackson Smith and Jigba has turned into a star. So
there's there's Honestly, there is a lot to like about
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this team. Like they gave up nearly four hundred yards
to the forty nine Ers, but now against the Steelers
to sixty seven against the Saints two eighty four. They
forced turnovers in every single game. However, they are turnover
prone because they've taken the ball away five times and
they've turned the ball over five times, and so there's
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they're a little bit loose with the football early in
the season. But they are a team that's got a
lot going on for them.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
They are. And you look at it too, like there's
some much like the Cardinals, there's some reality to their wins,
right that the Pittsburgh Steelers are not a good football team.
That's all. You know, become a parent. They're they're not
the Pittsburgh Steelers of old. Yes, they beat the the
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New England Patriots on Sunday twenty one to fourteen, but
I mean they had two hundred and three total yards
of offense, but they forced five turnovers on defense, although
they gave up three hundred and sixty nine yards and
and you know, the Steelers are giving up over nearly
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four hundred yards a game on offense. They're twenty eighth, right,
And so so that game the week before by the Seahawks, again,
that's an interesting win. I mean, it's not what you
would call like a signature win by any means. And
then we know what the Saints are. Although, man, the
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NFL is weird, right, Like a week after the Cardinals
beat the Panthers and it looks like a bad wind.
The Panthers go beat the brakes off the Atlanta Falcons.
You know, I was reading somebody I can't remember who
said it, so I apologize in advance for not remembering.
But do you know how hard it is to be
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shut out in the NFL anymore? Like? Really how hard
it is? Uh? And and you know, the Falcons got
shut out by the Panthers at home on top of
everything or no, they were sorry that it was it
was the Panthers were home. But so, you know, those
are all interesting things to kind of look at. And
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you look at the Seahawks and like you said, Sam
Darnold's playing good football, but it's it's a different type
of football, something that you and I have talked about
and that we would refer probably to see a little
more of. And that's and that's they're very aggressive in
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what they're doing in the passing game. Their run game
really hasn't taken off, although you know they do have
one game over one hundred yards rushing. But you know, realistically,
they're playing the brand of football that I think a
lot of Cardinals fans were hoping to see the Cardinals play.
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In terms of coming out this year, you know, the
their twelfth and passing offense twenty first in passing rushing offense,
but twenty ninth in rushing yards per attempt.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Like.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Not great, But then you look at the other side
of it, right then, they're elite against the runs. So
it's going to be the it's going to be the
movable force against the what is it, the irresistible object
or whatever the thing is, because the Cardinals can't run
ball and the Seahawks don't allow teams to run the ball,
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So that you know, as we get into this, that'll
be something to watch.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
And that remember last season, thing that turned with the
addition of Ernest Jones because they were a terrible run
defending team. They they let go of the linebackers they
had and they they got Ernest Jones, and Ernest Jones
has been fantastic. But I think what's even more impressive
(09:30):
Byron Murphy, their first round pick a year ago looks
like a first round pick. Two and a half sacks,
fourteen tackles, five quarterback hits in the first three games
of the season. When when Murphy last year as a
rookie looked very ordinary. And they've got five guys on
that defensive interior Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams, and Jaron Reid,
(09:53):
who all have five quarterback hits so far. And so
the defensive interior Mike McDonald is putting together. He's doing
really well. He's doing in Seattle what he did in Baltimore.
And they haven't given up more than seventeen points yet
this season. That's to go with the fact that they
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are fifth in scoring their second in scoring defense, which
is early in the season. That's jat looks really good.
And you know, I think for me with the impressive
things about this is that Sam Darnold is continuing to
play well. Because I openly questioned if he was an
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upgrade over Gino Smith, and thus far he has like
I felt at best he was a lateral, younger move
than Gino, but perhaps he has a little bit higher
seily because Gino has been pretty good in Gino like
Gino has become a pretty dang good quarterback. And Seth
when when you liked him coming out of college, it
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took a while, but he proved you're right, and it
seems like anybody it seems like everybody has to get
out of New York to kind of thrive.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah, and you look at it, you know, and what's
interesting about Sam Darnold is that he is, you know,
a very.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Risk taking quarterback, right.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So Carson Palmer Man, he's Carson Palmer.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It really is a great, you know, comparison, just because
you're talking about a guy that doesn't really care if
he turns the ball over, like just he's like whatever, like,
which is just so different than what we're used to
seeing in terms of just in terms of all of football, right, Like,
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that's just not something that that we see anymore. But
he's he's playing at that high level. And what's interesting
is that you've got guys that are kind of throwing
back to what worked before, and that is a guy
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that can take big shots consistently and then not have
to worry about the mistakes because you're going to give him,
you're going to give him an opportunity to make up
for it, right So, you know, you kind of look
at his season so far, four touchdowns to two interceptions.
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It's not like we're talking about a guy that's you know,
lighting the world on fire, right, Like four touchdowns same
as Kyler. Two interceptions, you know, one one more than Kyler.
But he's playing at an outrageously aggressive level. And after
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last year where he you know, went fourteen and three
and had over forty three hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns,
Like you said, he's kind of backing that up at
a at a different type of pace, right, Like last
year was a lot of volume. And I don't mean
that in a negative way, but you look at that
that twenty four.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Minnesota, Minnesota offense was just was cooking, and so he
had volume opportunities too, right, and then nobody weapons. They
ran the ball really well, they got great receivers, they
protected well, and so they had volume offense.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Whereas this year he's only thrown the ball seventy four times, right,
and so he's he's doing it at a much more
efficient rate than what we saw last year. You know.
The other thing with that is that when you have
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games like he has had and you look at his
week to week, right, and that's kind of what's really
interesting is he had a I mean an average game
in week one, right, sixteen or twenty three for one
hundred and fifty yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions, kind of
a non descript game, part of the reason they didn't win,
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right and then and then a week two we talked
about the Pittsburgh defense, like they're not like they're forcing
turnovers at a standard Pittsburgh defensive rate, but they just
give up yardage two hundred and ninety five yards passing
two touchdowns to go with those two interceptions. But then
last week against New Orleans, who who just was outclassed.
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I mean, he only threw the ball eighteen times for
two hundred and eighteen yards and the two touchdowns, but
like a twelve point one yards per attempt average. That's
that's a wild number. And so that'll be kind of
what's to watch. You know, last year he was at
seven point nine. This year though he's at nine even
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and and so.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like was was that it's not going to be sustainable.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So and so that'll be what's interesting because the Cardinals,
you know, defense has been as we talked about, death
by a thousand cuts. It hasn't been big plays. You know,
They've they've ideally kept everything in front of them and
forced teams to go the long, hard road to to
score points. And so that'll be what's interesting this week
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is are we going to have a game where what
breaks right? Do the do the Seahawks maintain that aggressive
down the field type of thing or are they more
willing to take their time dink and dunk and kind
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of move the ball down the field. What's really interesting
to me, Jess is that Kenneth Walker's outperformed all Cardinals
running backs. I don't want this to come off like
sorry grapes or anything, but I mean eighty eight attempts
for two hundred and eighty eight yards. That's three point
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three yards per card right, Like, how as a team
can you not run the football efficiently but you're still
able to get explosive plays? And I'm genuinely asking because
that's what we've kind of been wondering with the Cardinals
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is like their their past game is so much built
on quicks and getting the ball out because they can't
run the ball right now, that how are you able
to get the ball and push the ball down the
field so efficiently when you literally just like there's no
run threat and don't get again, Kenth Walker, I don't know,
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way better season than any Cardinals running back. So I
don't mean that in the negative connotation it's coming out
in but that's just you know, a genuine curiosity from me.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
But because the other guys aren't producing, and he's averaging
four over four yards of carry. But Zach Charbona two
point one, George Hallani two point seven, like, yeah, that's
it's he's doing well and everyone else is getting getting stuffed.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
But but I mean even four yards of carry, now,
like we'd be like, that's just not very efficient. And again,
like you said, it's it's clearly the best of either team. Well,
I mean, technically Trey Benson's averaging six yards per carry, but.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We run, yeah, and that's and and Benson has been
boom or bust. But if you're as a lead back,
you're gonna have to be far more consistent than that.
Otherwise it's going to be three and out, three and out, down,
three and out, three and out field goal because you
can't consistain.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Now, I think what the difference is is that the
the Reapers they have well partial I'm gonna I'm going
to say that probably Clinton Kubiak's scheme and philosophy lends itself,
and especially the mentality of Sam Darnold, because you've got
receivers very like one an elite receiver who's become an
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elite with another that the Ohio State receivers, you know,
Jack Smith and Jigmu fantastic and Mika Buka who's looking
oh my gosh this year, Marv is the mars looking
the most disappointing so far. But you've got Jackson Smith
and Jigma and Cooper Cup who are as reliable as possible.
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And they're types of guys who who will create separation.
That's kind of their specialty. They create separation and and
and that's what you need. Like Darneld can trust him,
and so he's able to he's able to push that
ball down the field and get the ball to them.
And then I don't know what their yards after the
catch situation is it is it pushing the ball down
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the field or is it is it it partially yards
after the catch?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, I mean so his A dot's pretty I mean aggressive. Still,
I'll double check that right now as we talk. But
like you know, one of the things with these a
lot of these teams is that they're as we talked
about in our previous show, is like they're not risk adverse.
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And I gotta say the Cardinals are very risk adverse
as we've talked about. Yes, you know, like they're like, hey,
let's not have anything happen. Yeah. So I mean his
a dot right now. So average depth of targets nine
point three yards, Like that's again, that's absurd, dude.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Like into the sticks, that's amazing, right, But he's trying
to the sticks every play, so so like so he's
trying like every throw is a first down throw.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, And so that's the hard part. And and that's what
you kind of have to look at. And you look
at his his career that you said it, he's he's
Carson Palmer, right, that's his that's what he does. He
tries to push the ball down the field consistently. It
wasn't until last year that it really became something that
he could do with success. And now it's it's showing
up again this year at a at a good rate.
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And and like I said, last week was absurd. Eleven
and a half yards was his average depth of target.
Like that's an absurd that's that's just an absurd way
to throw the ball. Like it just it doesn't happen
anymore in today's game. And I know people be like, well,
that's because you know Kyler. No. No, like if you
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just look by the position, it just doesn't really happen
that much anymore in the game because the game's built
so much on not getting beat deep. So, you know,
like you said, the the Seahawks, I don't know why
my brain was stuck on the forty nine ers. The
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Seahawks were, you know, are really content on pushing the
ball or intent I guess, pushing the ball down the
field consistently and saying like, hey, let's you know, let's
go ahead and make force you to defend us. And
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and you look at you know, all all season and
things of that nature. One of the things that that
you look at with just this this season is you've
got a lot of guys that are in that that
six to eight range. You know, that's that Tyler's been
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in for a long time. I mean, Murray to uh
Drake May, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, like the the goal
is Jared Goff sorry, you know, and like it goes
up you know, Brock Purty and then the other ones
that aren't outside of outside of Lamar. It's it's really
not surprising, right you got you got Jordan Love, you
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got Justin Herbert, you got Darnald, you got Gino, you
got Russell Wilson, and you got JJ McCarthy. And so
the difference being that outside of outside of Herbert and Lamar, like,
none of them are producing at really that high of level.
Like Love's doing pretty well, right, but for the most part,
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it's it's it's not going that way. And so what
what it comes down to is that there's no right
or wrong way to skin a cat. You know, you
look at this season touchdown leaders, right, uh, Jared Goff
his A dot is seven point two, Caleb Williams his
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A dots eight point eight, Aaron Rodgers says seven touchdowns,
his A dots five point eight, like, and then you
got Lamar at nine and his A dots ten ten
point four. So like there's a different way to go
about it, in a different way to have success in it.
And right now Darnold's one of the few that's doing
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it at a high level, throwing the ball vertically and
pushing the ball vertically. And I, you know, I think
that that Carson Palmer comparison, whether you know you've been
thinking about it or just came to you. That's a
that's a really accurate one.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
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at State Farm Stadium, What the Cardinals will need to
do to win the game, what matchups are going to
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be important, and the first thing we have to note
is that this is going to be It's going to
be the Trey Benson game. It's going to be Trey
Benson and a Mariti Mercado as the guys at running back.
It will be a Greg Dortsch game because Zay Jones
is in concussion protocol and there's no way to get
out of cosion concussion protocol when you don't practice like
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you do on a Thursday game. And we might be
looking at Josh Fryer as the starting left tackle or
Jonan Williams at left talk tackle, Josh Fryer at right
tackle because Paris Johnson and Calvin Beach and both have
knee andies and their status is unknown. What we do
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know is that they signed Demandre Jenkins Jacob's a tackle
off their practice squad, which suggests that they needed a
backup tackle, which means Josh Fryer oh more injuries. So
they're they're gonna be That's gonna be an interesting way
to go. What do you think is going to be
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kind of key number one? What's going to be the
most important factor for Arizona to be able to slow
or even compete with Seattle.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That's the biggest thing I'm curious about is how they
go about this. So you know, they've done a you know,
wonderful job this year of really stopping the run at
a higher level, something that we didn't know if they
were going to be able to do. Yeah, they're they're
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they are struggling against the past. But again, I think
a lot of that comes down to excuse me, sorry,
comes down to just how much you know, we're seeing
them in in or be up in games, right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Like that was the case, and that definitely the first
two weeks is that they got up and they just
started They played there, they played their basic PreventT they
like prevent ish just dropping guys back and letting people
dink and dunk down the field, which, like we said
in our last show, that's kind of a bad plan
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when all you need is a field goal like they
did against the forty nine ers, because it lets them
get down the field in the field goal range, right.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
And so you just kind of look at it. And
so I think obviously the Seahawks offense rust the Cardinals
past defense is interesting, but to me, it becomes more
about who continues to defend the run at a high level.
The Cardinals are sixteenth in rushing offense, the Seahawks twenty first,
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but the Cardinals are fourth in rushing defense. But again
I think, you know, I'll double check, but I think
they've you know, faced like the third or or something
like that fourth least amount of rushing attempts. Their yards
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per attempt to average is about ten to two. But
then they faced literally the most passes thrown of any
team in the NFL, And so I guess the yardage
being thirtyeth right, thirtieth against the past. Technically it's not
a bad.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Thing, not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It just it just goes back to what we've said.
They don't they're they're comfortable allowing a lot of pass
yards in exchange for chewing clock, kicking field goals and
things of that nature. Two of the top five scoring
defenses in the NFL. The biggest difference being that, you know,
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the Seahawks are top five in scoring offense while the
Cardinals are are nineteenth in scoring offense. The Cardinals are,
you know, have the takeaway plus again, they've got one
turn They've they've committed one turnover all year, so they're
turnover ratios plus two. Whereas the Seahawks, again, they're more
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risks taking and they're willing to go throw the ball
down the field. They're willing to put the ball in
harm's way a little more. So those are all going
to be interesting things because to me, it really comes
down to and either team throw or sorry, run the
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ball well, because it's genuinely just like the Seahawks average
two hundred nineteen yards passing per game, They're gonna get
two hundred nineteen yards passing if not more, against this
Cardinals defense. I mean they the Cardinals haven't held anybody
to a low passing yardage total because they want you
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to dink and dunk and work your ways down the field,
So I think you know, to that aspect, that's gonna
be one of the big things to watch in this one.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Two things have been a factor in the last couple
of games against the Seahawks, and one is how much
duress Murray is under and then turnovers. Those those have
been the bugaboos against against Seattle like we saw last year,
the Leonard Williams takeover and and I guess that's gonna
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be kind of matchup Number one is how does the
defensive interior, Yel the fro hole and Evan Bryan More,
Isaiah Adams match up against Leonard Williams, who was just
absolutely a monster against them in that first game last season.
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That becomes for me the matchup number one because you've
got to and the way that the defense, the offensive
interior because Evan Brown Isaiah Adams not played well this year,
and so the blend of of how I guess it's honestly,
it's not just Leonard Williams. It's going to be Leonard
Williams and Byron Murphy and Jaron Reed because those guys
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have been have been very productive, They've been very disruptive
through the first three games of the year.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well, what's interesting is, you know, the Cardinals or there,
they're similar in terms of giving up pressures. The Cardinals
have given up thirty five pressures on the season, the
Hawks thirty. I know, I know five is quite a
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bit of a difference, but you know, you look at
it the the Again, the Cardinals are one of the
lowest passing attempt teams in the NFL. The Seahawks aren't
far behind them, though, to be fair, I mean, it's
just not neither team looks at the passing games as
the key to their offense, you know, And so that's
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that's gonna be something like who creates more pressures, Who's
the one that's able to force these quarterbacks to speed
up and to really you know, have a tough time
because they've both been playing at a very consistent and
high level in terms of accuracy and things of that nature.
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From there, it just becomes the question of who is
able to get home more. When you look at the
Cardinals this year, their pressure percentage isn't I guess we
would say, uh, elite, Yet they're very again, they're they're
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incredibly comfortable kind of allowing teams to to go short,
to go quick. Uh they're they're looking at things through
the shade or the lens of how where are we
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most vulnerable and how do we get beat? And the
Seahawks and Mike McDonald are kind of the opposite of that, right,
they're like, how do we force this team into pressures?
How do we force our opponent into making mistakes and
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watch or kind of you know, playing to our strength
and we are forcing the issue where the Cardinals are
a little more comfortable for whatever reason, allowing the game
to come to them. So again, it just comes down
to like, what is the what is the right way
to go about it? Can the Cardinals, especially with a
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banged up offensive line and and what has been not
I mean, the the past protection hasn't been horrid, not
like the run blocking right, like the run blocking the
Cardinals has been atrocious. The past protection hasn't been awful.
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Wouldn't would you not agree with that?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's been pretty it's been pretty alright. There's been some pressure,
a little bit of pressure on Murray, but he's actually
been pretty good about his pocket awareness overall.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
But yeah, that's so so, you know, that'll be a
big thing. And then again, I mean, jess, are they
gonna be able to run the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
I mean, let's just be honest that the Cardinals run
blocking grades are bad. And so when you have really
bad run blocking grades and you're not able to generate
pressure or sorry, movement consistently, I mean, it's gonna be
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an issue. And that's gonna be one of those situations
where we'll see how this kind of flips. But right now,
they're not a good run blocking team and they're facing
you know, a top two maybe four run defense in
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the NFL. So that's gonna be a matchup to watch.
And then Jackson Smith and Jake But nobody stopped them
all season, right like you talked about it earlier. No
nobody has stopped him. So is a is a beat
up Cardinals secondary gonna be able to stop him? I mean,
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he's averaging. Here's the crazy thing. Just they're so preductive
and they score so many points. Sam Darnold has four
passing touchdowns, Kenneth Walker only has three rushing touchhouns. And
I say only because it's like your your top five
in points scored, but nobody's scoring a lot of touchdowns
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for this team. It's because they've you know, created a
lot of special teams touchdowns. They've they've really done it
in different ways. I mean Tory Horton, I think he's
the second year player I can't remember off the top
of my head, has two receiving touchdowns, then Smith and
Jigba has one, A J. Barner has one, and then
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again rushing touchdowns, Kenith Walker has ree Sharvon has won.
Like it's not like they're thirty points per game, are
coming from this greatest show on turf aerial assault, or
they're just like running, you know, gashing guys like Derrick Henry.
It's been kind of a lot of.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Luck and looks they've got ten touchdowns in their three games.
They got four rushing. For receiving, they got Horton, he's
a rookie. By the way, Horton had a return for
a touchdown, punt return for touchdown, Hallani recovered the kickoff
in the end zone for a touchdown. So it's it's
and honestly, you know who's been their most productive scorer
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thus far overall, it's the rookie Horton. He's got two
receiving touchdowns and a punk return for a touchdown so
far this season.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, I mean Smith and Jigba is doing his best
best Trade McBride impersonation, right, I mean three seven receiving
yards and one touchdown. So it's it's just interesting, man Like,
it's it's a really interesting game because you know what
the keys are, right, like, can can this team run
the ball against an elite run defense?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They got a first turnover?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Well the other thing, but again it's tough because you
know that you look again at what happened, and and
you know San Francisco brock Party through two interceptions, Aaron
Rodgers through two interceptions, and then and then Spencer Rattler
through an interception.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You've got That's why the defense has to create takeaways
because Seattle takes the ball away.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
So you've got at least and and and so that's
the thing is my concern with this game, if I'm
being completely honest, My biggest concern with this game is
that we've now seen that, even in big games, that
this coaching staff is so risk averse that they would rather,
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you know, they would rather kind of, Oh, let's just
keep running into a brick wall. Oh let's just throw
these quick swings, these screens, these quick outs. Let's not
push the ball down the field we're up or you know,
it's tied, we don't need to push the ball down
the field. And so that's my concern is that it's
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a similar game to what we saw on Sunday, where
it's a lot of it's a lot of oh, we'll
just we'll just force them to punt, and we'll punt
if we need to, and like, we're not we're not
worried about getting the ball vertical. We're just gonna we're
gonna because they force so many turnovers, we don't want
to put our defense in a bad position. Like it's
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just it's a weird, weird thing to me, but I
do understand it coming from a defensive coach, right like
it Unfortunately, it makes a lot of sense that it's like,
oh no, I trust my defense, like just don't screw
it up offense type of thing. And so that'll be
what's interesting to watch because if they do get behind,
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we've seen that they're more than capable of pushing the
ball vertical where they're more than capable of of throwing
the ball with a lot of efficiency. So we'll see
what happens coming next.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
On the rece of Here podcast, Besial our Cardinals talking weather.
Let's be to the final segment where we talk picks,
tradictions and give us some propics that we like. That's
coming next, and receps he read We're back on the
rest of hered podcast, but our Cardinals stalk on the
web as we hit the prediction part of this show.
The Cardinals were actually one point favorites to start the
week that has since shifted. They were they were one
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point favorites on them on the spread, but it was
even they were a pick them on the money line.
That has shifted slightly in favor of the Seahawks, who
are now minus one fifteen on the money line and
minus one with the spread. Guess what the public significantly
favors the Seahawks. They're picking a sixty nine percent of
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the handle is going on the Seahawks to win out right,
and seventy three percent of the spread bets on are
on the are on the Seahawks to cover. And then
of course with the over under with the total, you've
got forty three and a half as a set and
seventy five percent say it's going to hit the over.
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It doesn't like if this game doesn't get out of hand, right,
like this could be like I could see this getting ugly.
But I also if the Cardinals, if the Cardinals are
competitive game, it's going to be another mucky game. I
think I'm one hundred percent comments this is going to
be another mucky game. If if the Cardinals are competitive,
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then I'd like to think that they're going to come
out out and compete in this game. They're at home
on the Thursday night, coming off a very disappointing end
to last game. What we do know is that the
Cardinals tend to bounce back, and so I want to
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say that the Cardinals are gonna to sneak away with
an ugly win and say it's going to be twenty
to nineteen Cardinals in this one.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
By the way, I was almost like perfectly accurate with
my prediction outside of the covered So you know, you've
talked about it quite a bit of good teams. When
great teams cover the Cardinals cover, they should have won
and covered. But if they should have, but you look
at it, this is this is the game that's going
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to be ugly. Man, I really do think so. And
I don't I see the Cardinals falling to two in two.
I think it's gonna be a lot of hand ringing
and a lot of oh the sky is falling. But
it's just they're in such a bad spot physically right now. Unfortunately.
I think they're gonna end up losing this one, and
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I'll say it's a twenty one to twenty Seahawks win.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Now we go to come with some of the props.
So we both we both like the under for this game.
We think it's gonna be in terror Like we think
this is gonna be one of those years where Cardinals
Sands are gonna have a hard time watching the Cardinals play.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, here's here's an interesting thing, Jess. Is there any
rushing props for the Seahawks right now for you?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Oh, honestly, there's not. It's just Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, so the Trey Bens and Kyler Murray, Imri de
Mercado all along there for the Cardinals on FanDuel and
as just said Sam Darnold. So, I don't know if
there is an issue a concern with sharbon Ay. I mean,
he was full in practice today. I genuinely don't wasn't he.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Was inactive in that game on against I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Uh, he must have been Yeah, but I mean Kenneth Walker,
why wouldn't Walker, I mean he's not on that. I'm
just you know, spitballing.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
But which is weird because they got the receiving props,
they got kicking props, they got the passing props. It's
just they don't have the rushing props for.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Either the Seahawks. Seahawks interesting thing when those do come up.
Just to just to take a peek at we were
talking about Kenneth Walker in his four point two yards
per carrie average. Here's here's the deal on that. He
had twenty yards against the forty nine Ers in thirty
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eight yards on sixteen carries against the Saints. So his
one game against the Steelers is doing a lot of
heavy lifting for his total for the year. And so
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like in comparison to the Steelers are are giving up Now.
I kind of always discount the games against teams like
the Jets with justin fields, right, but you look at
the Seahawks game and then the Patriots game. They give
up one hundred and seventeen one hundred nineteen yards rushing.
So the Steelers, again, their defense is not what it
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has been in your past Kenneth Walker against the Cardinals.
I don't love any of his rushing props unless it's
like forty five and a half, Like I genuinely just
stay away from it, Trey Benson, I I am not
touching sixty and a half with a ten foot pole.
I don't know how you feel, but like there's a
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zero percent chance I'm betting that right now.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
Right yeah, I honestly, what I do like is the
longest rush I think for I think for Marie Uh,
he's got longest rushes over twelve and a half yards,
and I think he's good for one of those a
game where he's gotta I would agree, I do like that.
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And then.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Are we taking are we riding the smith and Jigba train? Man? Like?
Is this? Is that? Is that just something that you
take advantage of until they make it so untenable you
can't bet it anymore. I mean, one hundred and seventy
yards per game is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
I mean it's only an eighty and a half. Like
I guess, like, you've got to go, You've got to
You've got to, don't. You kind of have to, right,
and you do the over and latterate to one hundred
at get the plus on top.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Of that, right, and you think about you think about
Game three, he didn't even play the fourth quarter and
he had ninety six yards rush or sorry receiving.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
So especially after we saw like Ted McMillan went over
one hundred, pearsall went over one hundred and so and
you know the I don't remember how the Saints did,
but a lave.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, Juwan Johnson is the one that kind of killed
him from that standpoint. So yeah, So I mean I think, yeah,
I think you've nailed it. Right. You take the over
eighty four and a half on fando, I don't know
what it is on better.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Eighty and a half, it's only eighty and a half.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
So take that, you can get ninety plus a plus
one oh four and then what's your plus one hundred.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Plus it's plus one forty Okay.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
So that's where you go to fandle plus one fifty
four like ladder that thing up. Take them all, I
who until until somebody stops him. That's I mean, I
think you got to play. It's one of those you
come back to it every week. Now. The other one
that I like is is Trey Benson and I said,
(47:23):
don't touch his don't touch his receiving or his rushing yards.
But his total receptions is three and a half.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
We've seen I don't, so I don't. I think we're
gonna get more. And I wish deMercado was listed on
here because de Mercado is gonna now, I will say,
because they do, like they were using Connor in the
so that that might be a good play. Like it's yeah,
do you get plus odds on do you get plus
odds on on over three and a half because it's
plus one oh five for over three half receptions.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
So that's a little better there. It's minus one o
two here, So yeah, I would go I would go
with that. I like that that bet though, man, it's again,
I just think that they're gonna be focused on getting
the ball out quick. You've got a really good aggressive defense.
They're going to try to be conservative over three and
a half is I like that. I wouldn't ladder it
(48:19):
by any means, but I like that. And then you
mentioned Demarcado. He doesn't have any any any receiving props.
So he does have a fourteen over fourteen and a
half yard rushing that's one to watched for me because.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's only now granted what it's over twelve and a
half for BET and GM, but it's minus one thirty five,
so it's not that great.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Just and you know what that is that he's good
for two draw plays on third and long.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
And that's the kind of been my thought process on that.
It's like, oh, okay, the other one that I'm you know,
it is interesting to me because Pittsburgh again I hate
going back to this defense isn't what it used to be.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And then we saw New Orleans defense. Sam Donald over
seven and a half yards rushing. He's still mobile, the
difference being that when he does scramble, it's too typically
throw deep. So that'll be something to kind of to
watch because that's that's a tough one. But I do
(49:25):
like his over seven and a half yards rushing in
this one because I do think the Cardinals pass rush,
especially if the game is close, that they're gonna they're
gonna continue to go after him in this one.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I like Sam Donald over half an interception for even money.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, I don't hatred. I don't hate that at all.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
That's I mean, he like I said, he takes chances
with the ball. The Cardinals have done a really, really
nice job this year. Let's see what it is. Yeah,
it's better where you're uh. Mine's minus one thirteen, so
even money is way better.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Then. I don't love. I don't love the passing props.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
No, i'd stay away from.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Ida props are no good this week. The kicking props
are no good this week. They're just fine. It's minus
one and a minus one oh five for Ryland over
one and a half field goals. I think fine.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
I think they cut onto d.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Like the problem we had like last I was like
I said, take take both the kickers, Take both the
kickers on two plus and they hit.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Kyler's Kyler's rushing yards hit yep. And and I think
I had Trey McBride on any time touchdown too.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
And by the way, we were severely limited on on
what we could bet last week, so so this week
outside of the Seahawks rushing props, which again I would
just stay away from. Man like, I genuinely wouldn't even
bet outside of the Darnald one because I think he's
(51:16):
gonna be under some under some pressure this week. I
I I would stay away from their rushing game because again,
it's been one game that they've looked. Okay, that's why
I still I I genuinely just don't know how their
their passing offense works without any viable run game whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, anything else? What about touchdown scores? Do you like
any of the anytime touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (51:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Because I have no idea who's gonna score in this game.
You know, I guess the safe here one is probably
Kenneth Walker, right.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, But here's here's my here's my big value one.
I think it's Greg dorts at plus eleven hundred. I
wish that's one of the receiving props to watch if
you see him pop up on receptions, mate, I would
bet it might be one and a half or two
and a half. And since he's going to be number three,
Kyler loves throwing the ball to him. Depending on what
(52:14):
the odds are, I'd take over. Like, if it shows
up at one and a half or two and a half,
I'd take that. But if you're talking just anytime touchdown
for some value, you know, Greg Dortsch at plus eleven
hundred is I like that one? And at the same time,
Elijah Higgins at plus two thousand. A guy who viably
(52:37):
could get a good end zone, who could get an
end zone target, could get you could you could pay off,
you could hit big on that.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, I don't disagree with that one. The other one
that's interesting to me is Eric Souerbrought Soerbert the like
third tight end or maybe even four tight end. The
reason I say that is, and I know it's a
different regime, but this, damn it, the Seahawks always do
(53:06):
something weird in the red zone and it's always like
a Jake Bobo or who is it?
Speaker 2 (53:13):
You can get Souburn to Boba plus twenty five hundred
man right.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Like and and so Bobo has no targets this year.
So that's why I would stay away from that. But like,
I'm trying to remember who was the guy a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Had a couple of Scoresisley's one, and then.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Bobo had a couple of scores against him. I remember, Oh,
Hoby Parkinson, That's who it was. And so it's always like, ah, man,
how did these guys score? And so that's and and
Parkinson might have been with the Rams. I don't remember
who it was with, but Yeah, like those like third
tight ends, those blocking tight ends, those nobody receivers like that.
(54:01):
They always kill the Cardinals for some reason in the
in this matchup.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
With that, We'll wrap up this edition to the Rise
of s Hered podcast Bestar Cardinals Talk. This is episode
seven of two. It's our Cardinals Seahawks preview. We have
one more show this week. I'll record with Cole Musgrove
of Seahawks Wire. So you got three shows kind of
right and a roll. They're packed together. It's not gonna
be much time between them because hey, we got a
game on Thursday. Then you're gonna have to wait for
(54:29):
wait for next week we can talk about that. So
until then, that's seth Cox. I'm Jess Rude. Thanks for listening.
As always, we will be back again soon.
Speaker 6 (54:38):
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