December 17, 2025 • 61 mins
Jess and Seth react to the Cardinals' latest loss and wonder how Jonathan Gannon can keep his job.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Lowers are the Cardinals fans and welcome to the latest
edition of the Rise of Seriit podcast, the best of
Cardinals Talk on the Web. I'm your host, Chess Root
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site that covers, of course, Arizona Cardinals. With me for
episode seven hundred and thirty our reactions show to the
Cardinals forty to twenty loss of the Houston Texans on Sunday.
Is my co host Seth Cox from Revenge of the
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Birds dot com Xpianations Arizona Cardinals site. And it's now
it's four forty pointers. They've given up four forty burgers
in the last six games. They fell behind seventeen nothing
the defense, they had a two. They gave up a
two play drive on a busted coverage, broken tackle mistackle
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and then immediately fumbled the ball away what I don't know,
like it was another laughable Cardinals loss, and I don't like,
how much more can we say about how they are losing.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's just, you know, it's it's just disappointing that this
is always, you know, the reality of this franchise, you know,
And and it's interesting how how things have descended and
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you look at the way they go and the way
that this season is gone, and you know, this is
just one of the seasons that in the history of
a terrible franchise, you're looking at what may end up
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being the low point. And I know that's crazy to say,
but I mean, remember, three wins is the is the
low water mark, right Like obviously going back, way way back,
there was lesser wins. But you know, in the modern NFL,
three wins of the low water mark. This could be
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their first three and fourteen season, Jess, I think about that, like,
and they have it, and they've only got two wins
or they only have one win after they name Jacoby Brissette. Well,
I guess it was there. They have no wins since
they named Jacoby.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
This it was after the Dallas game that they that
Jacoby was named the starter. And they're owen six with
a minus ninety five point differential.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, and it's really interesting. You know, we'll get to
the offense. But there was a there was a tweet
I think it was Kevin Cole. I'll double check, but
it basically said, like, there's no there was like no
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data to use on the Cardinals neutral passing game this
week because they were down seventeen and they only rent
and they only had run three offensive plays.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And so.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know, the reality of it is, and you and
I have talked about it, is like it's just it.
It's just a season that literally just makes this and
and being a fan really tough because you have people
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like out and out saying like, oh, I don't even
care if they win. Look at the stats, you know,
look at what trade they've unlocked Trey McBride, they've unlocked
Michael Wilson. And it's like, then, then what's the point
of rooting for them? Like why why would you want
to watch football games? And it just makes sense that,
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you know, the a lot of fans just probably aren't
even watching, right, They're just checking in later on like
oh yeah, another another two hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns.
I mean, the amount of fantasy football people that are
hyping up. What what Jacobi did against the Houston Texans is
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actually nauseating because they were down.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They were down three scores. They were down three scores
in half of the first quarter. It was it was
like the Seattle game again.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Right, And it's like it's like, do people like people
are okay with just meaningless stats that like, literally, I mean,
it's crazy to me to think that a they were
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a Kaleis Campbell blocked go goal away from being outscored
in every quarter. The only quarter they won was the
second quarter seven to six. They tied in the third
quarter seven to seven, and they lost the fourth quarter
ten to six. Just they were down thirty three to
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fourteen or sorry, thirty to fourteen at one point and
still could only tour one touchdown in the fourth quarter.
Like these numbers that are being put up, literally, I mean,
they're just the most empty and meaningless things. And it's
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a guy like Trey McBride saying, yeah, sixteen games in
a row, what's the point we're not winning? Like and
the fact that and I get it, fans need something
to be excited about, but like the fact that you
have a guy that's that's breaking, you know, Cardinals records,
NFL records, and he he looks miserable, tells you kind
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of everything you need to know, like none of this matters,
of none of these stats matter because at the end
of the day, they don't amount to anything. They amount
to getting your jersey and Canton or getting a ball
in Canton or cleats and Canton and winning three games.
Like I don't know, did you hear? And I think
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it was a miked up thing, but I'll have to
go back and look that the Texans were talking about
how it was like playing a preseason game. My gosh,
Like if people don't if people don't understand, like that
is literally the biggest insult.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Oh my gosh. Yes, like the preseason games they don't
matter and you're playing nobody and to have first team
on first team and it feels like a preseason game, that's,
oh my gosh. But like it was this game aside
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from the overhitting and Houston putting up forty points with
the type of offense that they've been running. Aside from that,
the outcome was as expected. The Texans dominated this game.
And so when it comes to reactions, it's just it
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continues to be almost laughable at this point, you know,
if you're a hardcore fan, it's hard to do it's
hard to do anything but just laugh about how things
are going, because you know, the postgame comments, it all,
everything about this feels empty. And I guess my initial
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reaction is is they at least there is something to
cheer for, because if you go back to if we
go back to twenty eighteen and as bad as that was,
or even twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty two, there
wasn't a dang thing to be cheering for.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It was just abysmal. Twenty eighteen, there was maybe the
belief in Josh Rosen, but there was nothing on the
field to cheer for. And so this year, at least,
at least you have this. You have a quarterback who's
putting up numbers, you have a pass catcher who's setting records,
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and so it does make part of the game palatable
in terms of viewing or at least following along, even
if it isn't competitive. So I guess I guess in
some ways that makes sense. But like, and then every
injury that happens, you're like, really another injury, Like how
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many how many running backs are the Cardinals going to
lose this year.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But also, you know, it goes back to what we
talked about, and we can have this conversation at the
end of the season, even you know, even in a
better manner.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But like.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
When when we talked about it seeming like the team
was tanking. These are the things that we mean, right,
Like you you basically a band in the running game
as a whole. You're not. There's very minimal change. I
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won't say it's not going to happen because who knows
with with uh Drew Petsink on the offense, but you're
not going to have a single player with over one
hundred attempts, and you're unlikely to have a single player
reach three hundred yards rushing on the season, jess on
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the season. And and you just never did anything. You
were like, Okay, well, you know, we'll keep giving Bam
Knight the ball five times a game. We'll keep giving
mridmorcat of the ball, you know, two to three times
a game. We'll give Michael Carter the ball, you know,
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five times a game. We'll have our twelve rushing attempts
with our running backs, and then and that'll be it.
And and you have that and and you don't. I mean,
you literally don't bring anybody in. And so then this week,
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when when Bam goes down, you know, which was an
inevitability at that point, right like you just had to
assume it was gonna happen. You go to Corey Kiner
and everybody's going, who's Corey Kiner?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And that that was That was the comment in our
It was facetious in some ways, but the our football
group chat of guys who are dialed in Cardinals players
and he's like, who's that guy?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah? Well, and so but what makes it worse? Yes,
here's what makes it worse. On the flip side, the
Cardinals gave up one hundred yards to Jawar Jordan would never.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
In his NFL debut, called up from the practice squad
behind you, Yeah, I have I'll say I have a
former and on my in my the other part of
my life, which is my teaching career, a former student
who is a huge Houston sports fan, and he messaged
me before the game telling me how the Detectans were
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going to smoke the Cardinals, which I agreed with. And
afterwards he's like, I don't even know who that Jordan
kid is. Yeah, and he is a hardcore Texas fan.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, he went to Hamilton High School in Arizona. Yes, yes, so,
like that's the wild thing. But he's a twenty six
year old second year play so he was one of
the COVID kids that took advantage of being able to
stay in college for a decade basically. And and and
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then he comes out and it has, like you said,
one hundred, one hundred and one yards rushing on fifteen.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Attempts, ripped off a fifty yarder me.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So, so the point of all that is, don't tell
me that, oh, well, you know the Cardinals are down
to their practice squad. Run. Well, guess what, they just
gave up one hundred yards rushing to a practice practice squad.
Like like, all the excuses of the crap is just
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it's just absurd to me at this point that that
we're okay with it that and by we, I mean
you know, not you and I, but like fans like, ah,
what are you gonna do? It's just absurd that that's
the reaction to it. It's like, oh, they had three
hundred yards of offense against the best defense in the NFL, Like,
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you know, nobody's passed for as many yards as Jacobi
Wereset did against the offense, and you go, okay, so
they played well, well, no, they lost by twenty oh.
So then what are you bragging about? Like, what why
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are you acting like that matters? That's where I'm struggling
with this, because there's not a single I mean again,
I go back to this. They're choosing to throw the
ball forty plus times a game because the last couple
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of weeks, especially their offensive line has looked better, and
their running game with their running backs has been averaging
over five yards of carry. So let's run the ball
ten times. And and that's just it. Like it. It's
a volume passing game. There's no efficiency to it, and
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it's almost all garbage time stats. I mean, they were
down three scores, they got got within, never got.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Within one, They never got with that within with one.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Never got within one. And in fact, just after they
got within two scores, they never got back within I
mean again, they were technically down sixteen at one point,
but we I guess they were down thirteen at one
point too, right, But like, yeah, they were just nobody
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nobody believed that this team was coming back, and and
they did it. You know, they were down twenty three
and people were be like, well, at least they're still
play hard. I'm like, if we're to the point of
being like, hey, they're playing hard, then everybody, every single
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player needs to go, every coach needs to go, like
it's literally a lost cause, because if we're at the
point of playing hard, then we're genuinely just there's no
there's no reason to even continue watching this this disaster.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Cow on next in the res of hereIt podcast Best
Our Cardinals Talk on the Web, Let's talk about Jonathan Gannon,
the pitch he would give to Michael Bidwell and moves
on the coaching staff without firings. That's coming next to
Rise Up Seret You're back on the res of here
podcast Best Our Cardinals Stalking we have talking about the
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Cardinals lost the Texans. Jonathan Gannon was at about what
hitch he would need to give Michael Bidwill for his
his coaching staff, his job interesting, Like I always find
I Will i Will say that those lines of questioning
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are weird, I think because it's a performance league. But
when would a coach ever say, yeah, I'm worried about
my job. They're never going to say that but it's like,
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how do he avoids letting the hot seat discourse of Actually,
he concentrates his job. His job is like his job
is to fix things on football team. He's not worried
of like most coaches. And I will say this is
big and we saw this from Cliff Kingsbury as well.
I mean there was taxing. The losing is taxing, but
most NFL coaches financially are fine. So what was his
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pitch beeed to ownership return return last next season. There's
no pitch. I'm concentrating on the Lanta That okay, makes sense.
If there's a pitch that he has, it would be
to focus on the next game. I believe in myself.
I believe in our team. We're at a dip right now.
We're going to come through some adversity, but I do
believe in us and we'll get out of the dip.
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It's my job to evaluate everything and see what's working
what's not. We're very process oriented, just to change because
we've had a bunch of injuries and how we do things,
there's a lot of layers involved, and so he like
it feels like he knows he's sticking around or he's
just lost in the mess. And so I mean, if
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you're Michael Bidwell, let's put it this way, how could
Jonathan Gannon convince you to keep to roll to run
it back? At least with his leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I just I don't even think that he has to
do any convincing. It's it's there's a lot of people
that are looking at this and going, oh, yeah, like
it makes sense. I mean, doesn't it right? They're they're injured.
They got a lot of guys injured, and so if
you look at it, and I've read some things like,
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you know, he has a lot of faith in the
in the young staff, and he's excited. He just wants
to see, you know, more from them. But he understands
the the you know what is the word, you know,
kind of like the trials that they're going through right
now because they're also and it's so so many injuries,
and it's like, well, do you not look at your
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counterparts in the NFC West and how injured they are
and that they're still you know, they're still they still
have a track to win the first seed in the NFC.
Like they survived without their their franchise quarterback. They are
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playing without the best linebacker in the NFL. They are
playing with a pass rusher. Yeah, the their best lost.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Their first round pick. They haven't had their best receiver
in Brandon and I the entire year. In fact, he
just quit, he just quit on them. George Kittle miss time.
The Yeah, the forty nine ers who like they they
could end up that they could end up with. They
are a game back of the Seahawks and the Rams.
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But if they catch them, because they're gonna catch one
if they keep winning, they're gonna catch one of those
two teams this week because the Rams and Seahawks play
on Thursday night. Whoever loses that game on Thursday will
drop to third place in the division if San Francisco
wins this weekend, because San Francisco host holds like all
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the tie breakers. They're four and one in the division,
they're eight and two in the conference, and so like
if they if they could sneak into that number one seed,
and what the season they've had, that's really incredible and
the Cardinals, and the Cardinals don't even look good. The Cardinals,
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there's nothing they do well anymore. And so like it's
hard for me if I'm Michael Bidwell, it's maybe what
it is. I think what it is is when Bidwill
hired Manti Austin for it, I think there was a
level of trust that he put into Monty, and he's
saying I'm going to step a back and letting Monty
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run the show. And Monty hired Jonathan Gannon, and so
maybe it's, yeah, maybe that's it. But if I'm Michael Bidwell,
how can you aside from the financial implications where you're
where you're paying Kingsbury still and then you'd be paying
Gannon for another year, and then you'd be paying a
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new coach, having to pay him enough to convince him
to come here. There's nothing about this team that you're like, Oh,
Trey McBride and Jacoby Brissett. I'm like, you've lost the
last six games by ninety five points. The offense is
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putting up some yards and points, but they've scored no
more than twenty in the last month. Despite the improved offense,
they do nothing well other than pass the ball at
a volume rate. Their defense is bad in every way.
They're bad on special teams, they don't run the ball,
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they can't gay healthy. I had I find it, would
it would be hard for me to convince me that
you would need to come back because either you're making
wholesale changes on your staff, and if you're doing that,
why would I trust you as the head coach since
you assembled that staff to begin.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
With, right, and and you look at it. You didn't
bring back a defensive line coach to get somebody else
in here, and then you invested two decent contracts along
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the defensive line. We'll give a little grace and say,
Josh Schweat is more of an edge guy instead of
like a defensive lineman. Okay, you invested you know, two
medium sized contracts and two draft picks in the last
two years, and you're defensive line is worse, like your
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your safeties and your young corners are barely playable. Like
we all knew that there would be a a a
fall for Buddha eventually. I talked about it early in
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the season, right like he and and and Matthew kind
of mirror each other in terms of styles and and
and sighs and physique and those things. And and we
saw Matthew kind of hit the wall at the same age.
So Buddha, you know, struggling isn't shocking. But the entire
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secondary being bad is were some the linebackers. I mean
everybody was like really pissed off the other day when
a keen Davis Caather got benched for that game and
then they put him in and and Gannon basically called
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him out without calling him out because he's the guy
that keeps missing his zone drops. Like if you go
back and watch the film, he's the guy that's abandoning, abandoning,
abandoning his zones to run with crossers, which in terms
of coaching defense and linebackers, it is literally like the
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cardinal scent, like, don't do that because it puts it
creates these massive holes in the defensive secondary that can
be exploited. Crossers are hard to cover. You have to
you know, you have to ask them off and then
go get back to your spot. But they're chasing and
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just opening these massive holes in the zones that are
then getting picked apart, and teams are going back to
it over and over again because they just know that
if if a guy's in there like Davis Gather, that
he's gonna he's gonna run with the crosser, and so
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you know you bench him. Cody Simon again gets hurt
in the most innocuous way, Like you watch that playback
and you're like, what happened there? Like how did he
get hurt?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And and so then you know, David Gather has to
come back in and it's just a you know, another
crap show.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And it's just it's baffling to think that this is
this is all happening, and they're getting you know, quote
unquote their guys, right, they're getting their guys as coaches,
they're getting their guys as players. Because that's the thing.
Either the coaching is awful or the players are awful.
Like there, you can't be three and eleven and have
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one of the worst defenses or possibly the worst defense
in Arizona Cardinals history. This is the first defense in
Cardinals history to give up forty points or more in
four games. Just that's absurd to say, Like that's crazy.
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And and we're supposed to everybody's supposed to be like, yeah,
running back, I mean, there's a lot of injuries. What
are you gonna do? Right, Like, that's that's crazy to
think that that is even in the realm of possibility
at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Right, that's good And and this is the part we
didn't men yet is that in the midst of this
hot seat, we're starting to see assistance jump ship coach Deebo,
defensive line coach, is reportedly accepted a defensive line coaching
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job at Michigan State. So like same job but in
college Patrick Tony, their safety's coach defensive backs coaches is
in the running for a job or it's a for
a DC job. What job is that? Is that Mississippi State? Yeah,
and so now that's a that's a promotion. But Tony
spent a good good amount of time in the college
ranks and one of the it's kind of an interesting thing.
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And so when when I see that, I think, first
were they told they're not going to be back and
so they're put there, they're actively looking for jobs. The
report that came out from two four seven Sports about
coach Debo was that he want to get back into
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the college game, and so he's rejoining Pat Fitzgerald, a
guy who he played for and coached for already. There's
a lot of reasons, but it's interesting to me to see,
especially a guy who was a first time NFL coach
position coach and to have it be such a surprise
that he was here, like, oh, that guy so young.
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It feels like he discovered he didn't like coaching pros
as much as he like like his high energy, high
you know, high participation and drills and like that. Like
I think probably Florena frankly enjoys college more because of
the the they're not grown men, they're not professionals, and
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while they are making money, but there's something different to that.
And I find that kind of interesting that it wasn't
that that was part of the report that he was
that he wanted to get back into the college game.
And so I had two likes, like one, oh, he
clearly did like did he not like the pros? Did
he not like working for the Cardinals? And was he
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going to be ousted anyway?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, And that's right, Like that's the question, are they
it was he going to get moved on from regardless,
So he just kind of he just kind of did
it early, and it begs the problem with the move
is and it's not a problem. I mean, good for Deebo.
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Do whatever you need to do, especially position coaches. Right
there are his mercenaries. For the most part, it's very Dante.
You totally have to you have to Dante Scalia what
the Patriots O line coach and then the Eagles line coach.
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Those are really the only guys right like that stick
around forever in terms of position coaches. We've seen coordinators
stick around for a long time and stuff like that.
But yeah, for the most part, it's it's not it's
not something that happens and so yeah, just go do
what you need to. But it begs the question, right,
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are they leaving because they're gonna get let go by Gannon?
Or are they leaving because everybody's gonna get let go?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Right? So when you see assistance leaving a losing team,
you're like, oh, this is what's happening. That's what it
feels like. But it's weird because it both both feels
like it and it doesn't feel like it. If that
If that makes any sense at all.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, And that's and that's the thing is like the
other question becomes, you know, what was what what was
the connection and between the players and the coaches, And
that that begs a real question of like are the
players coachable and are the coaches getting the reaction that
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they need from the players? You know, And I look
at a guy like deebo right twenty seven years old.
So you've got gray beards like Kaleis and Dalvin Tomlinson
on that on that defense, and both have had tremendous careers. Obviously,
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Kaleis Is is on a on a special special level
in terms of what he's done. But you know, it
really genuinely begs the question of like are are the
are the veterans days and the fact that those guys
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understandably aren't practicing every every day. And then you've got
guys like Walter Nolan and Darius Robinson who have struggled
to stay healthy this year, Like are they even getting
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through to to these guys? I mean, Darius has missed
two games, Walter's you know, missed nine games. What are
you teaching Kalas Campbell and Dalvin Tomlinson at this point?
And then on the flip side, like are you able
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to get through and register with guys like Walter Nolan
and Darius Robinson when they're when they've when they're dealing
with nagging injuries, when they're not participating consistently, Like and
that's just and so again it's a chicken egg thing, right,
Like is it the coaching or is it or is
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it you know? The players, and it's it's tough for
a guy like Deebo, who's, like, like I said, a
young coach to want to have that reputation of being,
you know, being the guy that was coaching one of
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the worst position groups in the NFL, right, Like, it's
your first NFL gig and you're like, damn, man, I
thought I was gonna be working with Kalais and Dalvin
the they barely practice and then then Walter has been
out almost all season. You know, like, like what am
I doing? Like what am I doing? Genuinely? So, yeah,
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it's just I don't know, man, It's it's tough. This
this whole season has been kind of a crap show, right.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It really has, it really has. Let's talk a little
bit more about about the offense. So coming next to
the Noises to Here podcast, Best Our Cardinals talking about
They're the best Cardinals talked on the web. There are
three bright spots about that offense. Let's talk about him.
That's coming to X and zups. You read You're back
on the Rise of Here podcast, Best are Cardinals talk
on the web. There are three bright spots you had Jacoby.
(35:23):
You've got Michael Wilson, got Trey McBride, and and let's
talk about that because we are getting volume numbers Jacoby's had.
Like statistically, he's doing really well. And if you ignore,
if you ignore the results, like what he's doing statistically
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is really good. He's like, by getting three touchdown passes
against Houston, he's now at exactly two touchdown passes per game.
He's got three times as many touchdown passes. He's three
to one touchdown interception rate. That's good. He's completing over
two thirds, he's conveting about two thirds of his passes.
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He's on pace for about thirty five hundred yards and
that's in twelve games. Like these are numbers you want
to see from your starting quarterback. And to get it
from Jacoby Brissett at his age now, at age thirty three,
when he's been a journeyman his entire career, it's really positive.
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But then you take a look at the game results
and you're like, but what does this mean? Because there
there is there are positives one percent of the way
that Jacoby's playing because he's generally speaking, he's taking care
of the football, Like the interception's during the last two
weeks were bad interceptions, but otherwise he takes care of
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the football, he gets the offense moving, and there's other
there's other issues. But when it's clear that he can't,
he's not a he's not a he's he's he's not
losing games, but he's also having no net net impact
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on terms of their competitive their and competitiveness and their
ability to compete in games well.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
And so what's so interesting about like, what's so interesting
about his numbers is that I've kind of explained it before,
you know, but like they're just unfortunately, they just don't matter.
(37:44):
And what I mean by that is like he's putting
up all these numbers and and putting up all these
you know, counting stats, and it doesn't lead to this
team being any better. They're like, it's crazy. I say
this because everybody, you know, the vibes are so different.
(38:04):
But like, I think they're scoring point four points per
game more than they were with Kyler, which is wild
to say, because you know that hot start was that's
all you might talked about and and so you look
at it. But but we talked about it like they're
(38:27):
throwing the ball at such an absurd rate that it
becomes basically, it becomes basically like that they're that it's
(38:53):
hard to explain, like basically, the numbers don't matter because
they're throwing at such a high rate that he's going
to have these numbers no matter what, because he's throwing
the ball more than everybody else. Yeah, So it was
Pat Foreman, by the way, sorry, and he said, wondering
(39:14):
why there are only thirty one teams in my week
fifteen neutral pass rate data. Cardinals never ran a play
while the script was plus minus seven points during the
first three quarters. So neutral pass rate data means like
when the game is in the balance, right, like when
the game is close in matters, are they throwing? Are
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they more likely to throw the ball or run the ball?
The Cardinals before this week, so there was no data
from this week before this week, the Cardinals, they are
the number one team neutral pass rate, meaning like when
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the game is is within reach, they're saying, Jacoby win
the game for us, and Jacoby is saying no, He's
saying no.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
We've talked about that. So you know, in the in
the games that he's played, so the's one and eight,
there are eight losses, four of them were the three
score you know, the forty burgers that they gave up,
and then the other four games. The other four games.
(40:37):
So you've got Indie, you've got Green Bay, you've got Jacksonville,
and you've got Tampa. That Jacoby has had the opportunity two.
He's had the ball late in the fourth quarter or
in overtime in all four of those games, and in fact,
against Jacksonville was in the at the end of the
(40:59):
game in the fourth quarter and in overtime. He's zero
for five in leading touchdowns to win the gameh five,
oh for five. He did get the one game tying
field goal against Jacksonville to force overtime. And that's it.
And that's it. And so we've talked about it before,
(41:21):
so low leverage Cardinals offense awesome high leverage situation, they
ain't it.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Right. And that's what the hard part becomes, is that
like people just they look at it and they go, oh, well,
you know, it's he's look how much there, Look how
you know, how many stats he's putting up, and look
at how much he's doing. And and it's like you
(41:56):
look at it and you go, yeah, it's I mean,
the numbers are statistically impressive, but it's literally just resulting
in nothing. And that is where the issue comes in.
It's like, why would you want to why would you
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want to celebrate that and look at that, going oh yeah,
that's that's you know, that's what we need because at
the end of the day, this isn't fantasy football, right, So,
Trey McBride having ten touchdowns is awesome for Trey McBride,
like awesome, awesome. The Cardinal's averaging less than twenty points
(42:45):
per game is terrible NFL offense. And so people are
going like, look at Trey blowing up like he's he's
killing it. It's like, well, they can't run the ball,
so they have to throw the ball in the red zone,
which you know again, but they're scoring at such such
a low rate now that you you look at it
(43:11):
and you go, oh, this team can't actually score when
it matters. I mean, we talked about it. They got
they didn't. They were never after the first possession of
the game. They were literally never within seven points at all.
(43:37):
Like that's that's kind of wild to think about, right, Like,
And so when you look at the when you look
at the total stats and you go, oh, yeah. I
mean he threw for two hundred and forty nine yards
and three touchdowns against the best defense in the NFL.
(44:01):
Would you would expect to be like, oh, yeah, he
gave him a chance to win and he was like no, no, no,
they they were down by three plus scores most of
the game. You're like, oh, so, then why does it matter?
I mean, just we can go back to that Jacksonville game, right, Like,
go back to that Jacksonville game and think about it.
(44:24):
No team in this century has lost a game when
they won the turnover battle four to zero. But the
Cardinals did, and that's because their offense stuck. I mean,
their offense was dreadful. But he threw for two hundred
and ninety yards or whatever it was in three touchdowns. Right,
(44:48):
so those numbers were great? Like who ca sorry, three
hundred and seventeen yards in a touchdown? Like those numbers
were great? Right, Like who cares? It's like no, it's
if the numbers mattered, they would have won a game
(45:09):
that every other team this century has won. Like That's
where I think the disconnect is for the fantasy football
hounting stats people, and the people are like no, like
you're literally just not winning games, Like you're not even competitive,
(45:31):
Like you finally had a great defensive performance. I know
it's been almost five weeks now, but or it has
been five weeks you finally had a great defensive performance
and you still lost. It's just it's wild to think,
like scoring thirty seven points the last two weeks against
(45:52):
the Rams and the Texans, the top two defenses in
the NFL, So you technically raised their their you know,
points against numbers, you technically raise them. It is something
that people would be like, see, it's not the offense
isn't an issue. It's like, no, the defense is an issue,
one hundred percent. But if the offense can't score more
(46:15):
than twenty points, they're not going to win games, especially
when they go they have so many drives that are
are completely empty. So I don't know, man, it's it's
wild to me that this is even a thing. I
mean that the.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Cardinal the numbers that we're seeing for Michael Wilson and
Trey McBride and and and for those who believe and
those of us who thought that Michael Wilson had some
talent to him to see the production that he has
when he's given the opportunity. It is, it's satisfying, it's
it's it's something that allows us to go. It confirms
what we believed about what he could be. But it's
(46:57):
also frustrating because you're like, well, then why can't we
unlock him in a number two role? If he can
do that, why can't he do more in a number
two role? But we know that that's a schematic problem
for the most part, because that his goal. That is
both with and that's both with Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissett.
Whoever is playing the X production whoever's not playing the
(47:22):
X almost gets nothing.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Exactly. So yeah, it's just it's been interesting. I mean,
I'm happy to see a guy like Trey McBride, you know,
have the success because he is a relentless worker and
it's but it's also like, I know it sucks, but
it's also cool that he looks at it and goes
(47:55):
it doesn't matter, because to me, that tells me everything
I need to know. And by the way, Jacoby said
the same thing right like when when they he set
the NFL record for completions in a game, he was like,
we lost by what twenty? Like why are we even
talking about this, Like, yeah, it's cool. I'll think about
(48:17):
it when I'm retired. But were lost by nineteen points,
Like who cares? Like really, this is this is what
we're touting now, is that we set an NFL record
in a three score loss, Like.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Come on, yeah, one more thing coming to next on
the rest of your podcast, best Our Cardinals talk on
the web? What is up with this defense that's coming next?
In recips, he read We're back on the rest of
your podcast, mist our Cardinals talk on the web? This
Cardinals defense, I don't like. What is it? Forty or more?
(48:54):
In four of the last six games, they give up
the Nico Hollins three catches, two touchdowns, eighty five yards.
They only got one sack of CJ. Stroud two hits.
They only got their hands on three passes. They didn't
have creating takeaways. Houston was over fifty percent on third
(49:19):
down and a practice squad running back and a practice
good squad running back rush for over one hundred yards
in his NFL debut. So do we miss anything? Oh,
Dalton Schultz a catches seventy six yards and a touchdown.
I mean they're not slow, they're not limiting team's main
(49:40):
weapons and no names are putting up career numbers, so
that that's that makes two weeks in a row for
career highs. Obviously Jordan's Jawar Jordan's NFL debut was his
his career high. But the Rams game when Blake Korum
they're there backup went for one to twenty eight. So
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the Cardinals are neither stopping or limiting the main weapons.
They're also giving up career games to guys who aren't
the main guys. There's nothing good about this defense at all.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, And you know that's the hard part is is
you look at it and you kind of wonder, because
even the Tampa game wasn't bad, right, two hundred and
seventy nine yards total of for the for the Bucks.
They gave up under one hundred yards rushing. I mean
that Jacksonville game they gave up over one hundred yards rushing.
(50:44):
But they I mean they basically were the last team
that did well against Trevor Lawrence. Right, and you look
at those games and he you go, Okay, I mean
maybe the defense is finding a little something and then
it's like, no, we will then now have statistically the
(51:07):
two worst performances on defense that we've had all season
by a large margin, by the way, too, like it's
gonna absolutely suck, and you're just and you just look
at it and you go, Okay, the Rams makes sense, right,
they're the Rams. They're phenomenal offensively, like we went over
all the numbers the other last week, right, but second
(51:29):
in scoring, uh, second in passing yards, eighth and rushing
yards like they're they're phenomenal, Like, okay, that makes sense.
And then you go Texans and you know they're getting better,
but they haven't really done anything spectacular outside of that
(51:51):
twenty six points against against the Jaguars a couple of
weeks ago. I mean, you look at it they I mean,
just look at sixteen points against the Tennessee Titans. You know,
twenty three points against the Bills, that's pretty good, twenty
points against the Colts, twenty against the Chiefs, and then
(52:12):
it's like, ho home forty forty points against there the Cardinals.
But again, you look at it, three hundred and seven
yards of offense like or sorry, three hundred ninety nine
yards of offense like it's just it was so easy,
like everything that they wanted to do was easy in
(52:35):
that game, and they pulled back so much on the
offensive side of the ball in that game too, Like
they could have thrown the ball probably for four hundred
plus yards if they really wanted to, because I mean
the Cardinals weren't stopping it, and I mean ces Shroud
(52:56):
was ho home twenty two of twenty nine for two
hundred and sixty yards and three touchdowns. Like, think about that, Jess.
It took him eleven less attempts to throw for eleven
more yards and the same amount of touchdowns. He like,
(53:18):
the efficiency was staggering. And so when you talk about
you know, passing yards and things like that, that's what
you need. You don't need You don't need four hundred
yards to be like, oh, look how good this offense was.
You need an offense that gives you points when when
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you're doing something right. So like the Texans when they
threw the ball, those were every pass was basically our
pass completion was basically a guaranteed point for them, right,
Like they were going to score when they threw the
ball and they just reined it back in. They ran
(54:03):
the ball thirty three times. They didn't even because the
defense for the Cardinals was like, oh, Jerard Jordan. Yeah,
we can't stop him. He's too good, right, you know
they injured Woody Marx or you know what does he
(54:23):
do in that game? Right? So that's what it really
comes down to. And you know, you look at all
the numbers, you look at all the stats, and outside
of Walter Nolan and I truly mean this, who's the
guy that you look at on this defense and you're like, oh,
(54:46):
you can build around him? I mean Joshuatt. Don't get
me wrong, he's been fantastic, but he's twenty eight, like
he's having his best statistical year from a sack production standpoint,
and again it's.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Basically meaningless, like, yeah, and Nolan, Nolan's there, I think
you know, I think he saw from will Johnson. Will Johnson,
I think early looked like that as well.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
What about Garrett Williams? Are we are are we in
the concerned area or are we looking at and chalking
it up to a last year because he came back
probably too early from an.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Indian that's interesting because he went from looking great last year,
too good early on to then now he didn't look
good and then they had the one good game and
then not good again. I don't know what to think,
But well, I hope we saw from last year. You'd
(55:47):
hope that you could build around him.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Well, think about this, Jess k So he's only played
nine games this year. He played in all or he
played in sixteen last year. Jess, He's he's allowed two
hundred eight eighty three yards receiving in nine games, which
is terrible. Last year he allowed three hundred and twenty
(56:10):
nine yards in in sixteen. He's allowed five touchdowns this season.
He allowed four in his career before this season. Uh
and the quarterback rating when they throw at him as
one twenty eight point seven. So like, oh and by
(56:38):
the way, he's also missed eight tackles this year, like
a career high. He missed seven two years combined before this.
So like there is a concern that that last year
was the anomaly, right, And he's well, I don't think
(56:58):
he's terrible, because those numb terrible, by the way. But
at the same time, you look at it and you're like,
there's not I mean, there's not a dB that's playing
well on this team. So I mean maybe Denzel Burke, right,
(57:19):
because you look at just from a draft perspective, right,
a fifth round rookie, and you look at his numbers
comparatively obviously, but you know, in fourteen games, two hundred
and forty three yards, he's allowed a fifty four point
eight or quarterback rating, no touchdowns, you know, so that's
(57:40):
obviously better then Garrett. And then you know, but and
then you look at Will's and Will's allowed three hundred
and sixteen yards and four touchdowns and his his rating,
his quarterback rating when target is one twelve. So the
guys that you were supposed to be like, oh yeah,
(58:01):
you can build around these guys. And then you know,
Max Meltin outside of you know, kind of clapping back
against our buddy Kyle Hodegard. I love you, Max, Like,
I think you're a good ball player, but like, that's
the best defense you've had here, man, Like you got bench, bro,
(58:25):
Like that's a tough one, right, Like, and I know
now it's like, oh, yeah, he's injured, but before that
he was he was straight up benched. And and it's
very rare to even hear on air talent talk about that, right,
and that was talked about in the game by the
(58:46):
by the play by play guy. You know, injured, benched,
Whatever is wrong with him, and you're like, wait, we.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Like that's weird, weird.
Speaker 3 (58:56):
And so you look at it and you're like the
guys that were supposed to be the guys, the guys
that you looked at, and you're like, oh, that's who
you're building around. They've all they've all regressed, which is
you know, going back to your your Jonathan Anny question
(59:19):
to me, that's why you're like, you can't bring these
dudes back. Like you've got guys like Max Melton who
looked like they were on the right track now questioning themselves.
You've got guys like Will Johnson, who you know again, competition,
(59:41):
I get it, blah blah blah. But like early in
the season you're like, oh damn that, like that was
the steal of the draft. And now you look at
these guys and you're like, holy crap, these these guys
are basically unplayable.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
But they all have to play because they don't have anyone.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
That's what I was gonna say. That's the worst part, right, Like,
holy crap, these guys are unplayable, but we have to
keep putting them out there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Oh yeah, we'll have to talk about this Falcons game
later this week. It's gonna be an interesting game because
the Falcons are also kind of a mess, but we should.
We might have two shows this week. More to go,
Seth and I will come later this week. I might
be able to book Chrissy Freud from the Falcons wire,
(01:00:31):
so hopefully we can get that done. Until then, we'll
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episode seven hundred and thirty our reactions show to the
Cardinals forty to twenty loss of the Houston Texans on Sunday.
Is my co host Seth Cox from Revenge of the
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Birds dot com Xpianations Arizona Cardinals site. And it's now
it's four forty pointers. They've given up four forty burgers
in the last six games. They fell behind seventeen nothing
the defense, they had a two. They gave up a
two play drive on a busted coverage, broken tackle mistackle
(01:16):
and then immediately fumbled the ball away what I don't know,
like it was another laughable Cardinals loss, and I don't like,
how much more can we say about how they are losing.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's just, you know, it's it's just disappointing that this
is always, you know, the reality of this franchise, you know,
And and it's interesting how how things have descended and
(01:56):
you look at the way they go and the way
that this season is gone, and you know, this is
just one of the seasons that in the history of
a terrible franchise, you're looking at what may end up
(02:17):
being the low point. And I know that's crazy to say,
but I mean, remember, three wins is the is the
low water mark, right Like obviously going back, way way back,
there was lesser wins. But you know, in the modern NFL,
three wins of the low water mark. This could be
(02:39):
their first three and fourteen season, Jess, I think about that, like,
and they have it, and they've only got two wins
or they only have one win after they name Jacoby Brissette. Well,
I guess it was there. They have no wins since
they named Jacoby.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
This it was after the Dallas game that they that
Jacoby was named the starter. And they're owen six with
a minus ninety five point differential.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, and it's really interesting. You know, we'll get to
the offense. But there was a there was a tweet
I think it was Kevin Cole. I'll double check, but
it basically said, like, there's no there was like no
(03:33):
data to use on the Cardinals neutral passing game this
week because they were down seventeen and they only rent
and they only had run three offensive plays.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And so.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
You know, the reality of it is, and you and
I have talked about it, is like it's just it.
It's just a season that literally just makes this and
and being a fan really tough because you have people
(04:17):
like out and out saying like, oh, I don't even
care if they win. Look at the stats, you know,
look at what trade they've unlocked Trey McBride, they've unlocked
Michael Wilson. And it's like, then, then what's the point
of rooting for them? Like why why would you want
to watch football games? And it just makes sense that,
(04:41):
you know, the a lot of fans just probably aren't
even watching, right, They're just checking in later on like
oh yeah, another another two hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns.
I mean, the amount of fantasy football people that are
hyping up. What what Jacobi did against the Houston Texans is
(05:05):
actually nauseating because they were down.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They were down three scores. They were down three scores
in half of the first quarter. It was it was
like the Seattle game again.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Right, And it's like it's like, do people like people
are okay with just meaningless stats that like, literally, I mean,
it's crazy to me to think that a they were
(05:41):
a Kaleis Campbell blocked go goal away from being outscored
in every quarter. The only quarter they won was the
second quarter seven to six. They tied in the third
quarter seven to seven, and they lost the fourth quarter
ten to six. Just they were down thirty three to
(06:05):
fourteen or sorry, thirty to fourteen at one point and
still could only tour one touchdown in the fourth quarter.
Like these numbers that are being put up, literally, I mean,
they're just the most empty and meaningless things. And it's
(06:28):
a guy like Trey McBride saying, yeah, sixteen games in
a row, what's the point we're not winning? Like and
the fact that and I get it, fans need something
to be excited about, but like the fact that you
have a guy that's that's breaking, you know, Cardinals records,
NFL records, and he he looks miserable, tells you kind
(06:56):
of everything you need to know, like none of this matters,
of none of these stats matter because at the end
of the day, they don't amount to anything. They amount
to getting your jersey and Canton or getting a ball
in Canton or cleats and Canton and winning three games.
Like I don't know, did you hear? And I think
(07:20):
it was a miked up thing, but I'll have to
go back and look that the Texans were talking about
how it was like playing a preseason game. My gosh,
Like if people don't if people don't understand, like that
is literally the biggest insult.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Oh my gosh. Yes, like the preseason games they don't
matter and you're playing nobody and to have first team
on first team and it feels like a preseason game, that's,
oh my gosh. But like it was this game aside
(08:01):
from the overhitting and Houston putting up forty points with
the type of offense that they've been running. Aside from that,
the outcome was as expected. The Texans dominated this game.
And so when it comes to reactions, it's just it
(08:23):
continues to be almost laughable at this point, you know,
if you're a hardcore fan, it's hard to do it's
hard to do anything but just laugh about how things
are going, because you know, the postgame comments, it all,
everything about this feels empty. And I guess my initial
(08:47):
reaction is is they at least there is something to
cheer for, because if you go back to if we
go back to twenty eighteen and as bad as that was,
or even twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty two, there
wasn't a dang thing to be cheering for.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It was just abysmal. Twenty eighteen, there was maybe the
belief in Josh Rosen, but there was nothing on the
field to cheer for. And so this year, at least,
at least you have this. You have a quarterback who's
putting up numbers, you have a pass catcher who's setting records,
(09:25):
and so it does make part of the game palatable
in terms of viewing or at least following along, even
if it isn't competitive. So I guess I guess in
some ways that makes sense. But like, and then every
injury that happens, you're like, really another injury, Like how
(09:49):
many how many running backs are the Cardinals going to
lose this year.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But also, you know, it goes back to what we
talked about, and we can have this conversation at the
end of the season, even you know, even in a
better manner.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But like.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
When when we talked about it seeming like the team
was tanking. These are the things that we mean, right,
Like you you basically a band in the running game
as a whole. You're not. There's very minimal change. I
(10:32):
won't say it's not going to happen because who knows
with with uh Drew Petsink on the offense, but you're
not going to have a single player with over one
hundred attempts, and you're unlikely to have a single player
reach three hundred yards rushing on the season, jess on
(10:55):
the season. And and you just never did anything. You
were like, Okay, well, you know, we'll keep giving Bam
Knight the ball five times a game. We'll keep giving
mridmorcat of the ball, you know, two to three times
a game. We'll give Michael Carter the ball, you know,
(11:16):
five times a game. We'll have our twelve rushing attempts
with our running backs, and then and that'll be it.
And and you have that and and you don't. I mean,
you literally don't bring anybody in. And so then this week,
(11:40):
when when Bam goes down, you know, which was an
inevitability at that point, right like you just had to
assume it was gonna happen. You go to Corey Kiner
and everybody's going, who's Corey Kiner?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And that that was That was the comment in our
It was facetious in some ways, but the our football
group chat of guys who are dialed in Cardinals players
and he's like, who's that guy?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah? Well, and so but what makes it worse? Yes,
here's what makes it worse. On the flip side, the
Cardinals gave up one hundred yards to Jawar Jordan would never.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
In his NFL debut, called up from the practice squad
behind you, Yeah, I have I'll say I have a
former and on my in my the other part of
my life, which is my teaching career, a former student
who is a huge Houston sports fan, and he messaged
me before the game telling me how the Detectans were
(12:37):
going to smoke the Cardinals, which I agreed with. And
afterwards he's like, I don't even know who that Jordan
kid is. Yeah, and he is a hardcore Texas fan.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, he went to Hamilton High School in Arizona. Yes, yes, so,
like that's the wild thing. But he's a twenty six
year old second year play so he was one of
the COVID kids that took advantage of being able to
stay in college for a decade basically. And and and
(13:15):
then he comes out and it has, like you said,
one hundred, one hundred and one yards rushing on fifteen.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Attempts, ripped off a fifty yarder me.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
So, so the point of all that is, don't tell
me that, oh, well, you know the Cardinals are down
to their practice squad. Run. Well, guess what, they just
gave up one hundred yards rushing to a practice practice squad.
Like like, all the excuses of the crap is just
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it's just absurd to me at this point that that
we're okay with it that and by we, I mean
you know, not you and I, but like fans like, ah,
what are you gonna do? It's just absurd that that's
the reaction to it. It's like, oh, they had three
hundred yards of offense against the best defense in the NFL, Like,
(14:10):
you know, nobody's passed for as many yards as Jacobi
Wereset did against the offense, and you go, okay, so
they played well, well, no, they lost by twenty oh.
So then what are you bragging about? Like, what why
(14:30):
are you acting like that matters? That's where I'm struggling
with this, because there's not a single I mean again,
I go back to this. They're choosing to throw the
ball forty plus times a game because the last couple
(14:53):
of weeks, especially their offensive line has looked better, and
their running game with their running backs has been averaging
over five yards of carry. So let's run the ball
ten times. And and that's just it. Like it. It's
a volume passing game. There's no efficiency to it, and
(15:14):
it's almost all garbage time stats. I mean, they were
down three scores, they got got within, never got.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Within one, They never got with that within with one.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Never got within one. And in fact, just after they
got within two scores, they never got back within I
mean again, they were technically down sixteen at one point,
but we I guess they were down thirteen at one
point too, right, But like, yeah, they were just nobody
(15:49):
nobody believed that this team was coming back, and and
they did it. You know, they were down twenty three
and people were be like, well, at least they're still
play hard. I'm like, if we're to the point of
being like, hey, they're playing hard, then everybody, every single
(16:10):
player needs to go, every coach needs to go, like
it's literally a lost cause, because if we're at the
point of playing hard, then we're genuinely just there's no
there's no reason to even continue watching this this disaster.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Cow on next in the res of hereIt podcast Best
Our Cardinals Talk on the Web, Let's talk about Jonathan Gannon,
the pitch he would give to Michael Bidwell and moves
on the coaching staff without firings. That's coming next to
Rise Up Seret You're back on the res of here
podcast Best Our Cardinals Stalking we have talking about the
(16:56):
Cardinals lost the Texans. Jonathan Gannon was at about what
hitch he would need to give Michael Bidwill for his
his coaching staff, his job interesting, Like I always find
I Will i Will say that those lines of questioning
(17:18):
are weird, I think because it's a performance league. But
when would a coach ever say, yeah, I'm worried about
my job. They're never going to say that but it's like,
(17:40):
how do he avoids letting the hot seat discourse of Actually,
he concentrates his job. His job is like his job
is to fix things on football team. He's not worried
of like most coaches. And I will say this is
big and we saw this from Cliff Kingsbury as well.
I mean there was taxing. The losing is taxing, but
most NFL coaches financially are fine. So what was his
(18:07):
pitch beeed to ownership return return last next season. There's
no pitch. I'm concentrating on the Lanta That okay, makes sense.
If there's a pitch that he has, it would be
to focus on the next game. I believe in myself.
I believe in our team. We're at a dip right now.
We're going to come through some adversity, but I do
believe in us and we'll get out of the dip.
(18:28):
It's my job to evaluate everything and see what's working
what's not. We're very process oriented, just to change because
we've had a bunch of injuries and how we do things,
there's a lot of layers involved, and so he like
it feels like he knows he's sticking around or he's
just lost in the mess. And so I mean, if
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you're Michael Bidwell, let's put it this way, how could
Jonathan Gannon convince you to keep to roll to run
it back? At least with his leadership.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
I just I don't even think that he has to
do any convincing. It's it's there's a lot of people
that are looking at this and going, oh, yeah, like
it makes sense. I mean, doesn't it right? They're they're injured.
They got a lot of guys injured, and so if
you look at it, and I've read some things like,
(19:28):
you know, he has a lot of faith in the
in the young staff, and he's excited. He just wants
to see, you know, more from them. But he understands
the the you know what is the word, you know,
kind of like the trials that they're going through right
now because they're also and it's so so many injuries,
and it's like, well, do you not look at your
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counterparts in the NFC West and how injured they are
and that they're still you know, they're still they still
have a track to win the first seed in the NFC.
Like they survived without their their franchise quarterback. They are
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playing without the best linebacker in the NFL. They are
playing with a pass rusher. Yeah, the their best lost.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Their first round pick. They haven't had their best receiver
in Brandon and I the entire year. In fact, he
just quit, he just quit on them. George Kittle miss time.
The Yeah, the forty nine ers who like they they
could end up that they could end up with. They
are a game back of the Seahawks and the Rams.
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But if they catch them, because they're gonna catch one
if they keep winning, they're gonna catch one of those
two teams this week because the Rams and Seahawks play
on Thursday night. Whoever loses that game on Thursday will
drop to third place in the division if San Francisco
wins this weekend, because San Francisco host holds like all
(21:11):
the tie breakers. They're four and one in the division,
they're eight and two in the conference, and so like
if they if they could sneak into that number one seed,
and what the season they've had, that's really incredible and
the Cardinals, and the Cardinals don't even look good. The Cardinals,
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there's nothing they do well anymore. And so like it's
hard for me if I'm Michael Bidwell, it's maybe what
it is. I think what it is is when Bidwill
hired Manti Austin for it, I think there was a
level of trust that he put into Monty, and he's
saying I'm going to step a back and letting Monty
(21:54):
run the show. And Monty hired Jonathan Gannon, and so
maybe it's, yeah, maybe that's it. But if I'm Michael Bidwell,
how can you aside from the financial implications where you're
where you're paying Kingsbury still and then you'd be paying
Gannon for another year, and then you'd be paying a
(22:14):
new coach, having to pay him enough to convince him
to come here. There's nothing about this team that you're like, Oh,
Trey McBride and Jacoby Brissett. I'm like, you've lost the
last six games by ninety five points. The offense is
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putting up some yards and points, but they've scored no
more than twenty in the last month. Despite the improved offense,
they do nothing well other than pass the ball at
a volume rate. Their defense is bad in every way.
They're bad on special teams, they don't run the ball,
(22:57):
they can't gay healthy. I had I find it, would
it would be hard for me to convince me that
you would need to come back because either you're making
wholesale changes on your staff, and if you're doing that,
why would I trust you as the head coach since
you assembled that staff to begin.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
With, right, and and you look at it. You didn't
bring back a defensive line coach to get somebody else
in here, and then you invested two decent contracts along
(23:41):
the defensive line. We'll give a little grace and say,
Josh Schweat is more of an edge guy instead of
like a defensive lineman. Okay, you invested you know, two
medium sized contracts and two draft picks in the last
two years, and you're defensive line is worse, like your
(24:07):
your safeties and your young corners are barely playable. Like
we all knew that there would be a a a
fall for Buddha eventually. I talked about it early in
(24:28):
the season, right like he and and and Matthew kind
of mirror each other in terms of styles and and
and sighs and physique and those things. And and we
saw Matthew kind of hit the wall at the same age.
So Buddha, you know, struggling isn't shocking. But the entire
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secondary being bad is were some the linebackers. I mean
everybody was like really pissed off the other day when
a keen Davis Caather got benched for that game and
then they put him in and and Gannon basically called
(25:18):
him out without calling him out because he's the guy
that keeps missing his zone drops. Like if you go
back and watch the film, he's the guy that's abandoning, abandoning,
abandoning his zones to run with crossers, which in terms
of coaching defense and linebackers, it is literally like the
(25:41):
cardinal scent, like, don't do that because it puts it
creates these massive holes in the defensive secondary that can
be exploited. Crossers are hard to cover. You have to
you know, you have to ask them off and then
go get back to your spot. But they're chasing and
(26:03):
just opening these massive holes in the zones that are
then getting picked apart, and teams are going back to
it over and over again because they just know that
if if a guy's in there like Davis Gather, that
he's gonna he's gonna run with the crosser, and so
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you know you bench him. Cody Simon again gets hurt
in the most innocuous way, Like you watch that playback
and you're like, what happened there? Like how did he
get hurt?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And and so then you know, David Gather has to
come back in and it's just a you know, another
crap show.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And it's just it's baffling to think that this is
this is all happening, and they're getting you know, quote
unquote their guys, right, they're getting their guys as coaches,
they're getting their guys as players. Because that's the thing.
Either the coaching is awful or the players are awful.
Like there, you can't be three and eleven and have
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one of the worst defenses or possibly the worst defense
in Arizona Cardinals history. This is the first defense in
Cardinals history to give up forty points or more in
four games. Just that's absurd to say, Like that's crazy.
(27:37):
And and we're supposed to everybody's supposed to be like, yeah,
running back, I mean, there's a lot of injuries. What
are you gonna do? Right, Like, that's that's crazy to
think that that is even in the realm of possibility
at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Right, that's good And and this is the part we
didn't men yet is that in the midst of this
hot seat, we're starting to see assistance jump ship coach Deebo,
defensive line coach, is reportedly accepted a defensive line coaching
(28:17):
job at Michigan State. So like same job but in
college Patrick Tony, their safety's coach defensive backs coaches is
in the running for a job or it's a for
a DC job. What job is that? Is that Mississippi State? Yeah,
and so now that's a that's a promotion. But Tony
spent a good good amount of time in the college
ranks and one of the it's kind of an interesting thing.
(28:41):
And so when when I see that, I think, first
were they told they're not going to be back and
so they're put there, they're actively looking for jobs. The
report that came out from two four seven Sports about
coach Debo was that he want to get back into
(29:01):
the college game, and so he's rejoining Pat Fitzgerald, a
guy who he played for and coached for already. There's
a lot of reasons, but it's interesting to me to see,
especially a guy who was a first time NFL coach
position coach and to have it be such a surprise
that he was here, like, oh, that guy so young.
(29:25):
It feels like he discovered he didn't like coaching pros
as much as he like like his high energy, high
you know, high participation and drills and like that. Like
I think probably Florena frankly enjoys college more because of
the the they're not grown men, they're not professionals, and
(29:48):
while they are making money, but there's something different to that.
And I find that kind of interesting that it wasn't
that that was part of the report that he was
that he wanted to get back into the college game.
And so I had two likes, like one, oh, he
clearly did like did he not like the pros? Did
he not like working for the Cardinals? And was he
(30:11):
going to be ousted anyway?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, And that's right, Like that's the question, are they
it was he going to get moved on from regardless,
So he just kind of he just kind of did
it early, and it begs the problem with the move
is and it's not a problem. I mean, good for Deebo.
(30:35):
Do whatever you need to do, especially position coaches. Right
there are his mercenaries. For the most part, it's very Dante.
You totally have to you have to Dante Scalia what
the Patriots O line coach and then the Eagles line coach.
(30:58):
Those are really the only guys right like that stick
around forever in terms of position coaches. We've seen coordinators
stick around for a long time and stuff like that.
But yeah, for the most part, it's it's not it's
not something that happens and so yeah, just go do
what you need to. But it begs the question, right,
(31:19):
are they leaving because they're gonna get let go by Gannon?
Or are they leaving because everybody's gonna get let go?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Right? So when you see assistance leaving a losing team,
you're like, oh, this is what's happening. That's what it
feels like. But it's weird because it both both feels
like it and it doesn't feel like it. If that
If that makes any sense at all.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, And that's and that's the thing is like the
other question becomes, you know, what was what what was
the connection and between the players and the coaches, And
that that begs a real question of like are the
players coachable and are the coaches getting the reaction that
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they need from the players? You know, And I look
at a guy like deebo right twenty seven years old.
So you've got gray beards like Kaleis and Dalvin Tomlinson
on that on that defense, and both have had tremendous careers. Obviously,
(32:42):
Kaleis Is is on a on a special special level
in terms of what he's done. But you know, it
really genuinely begs the question of like are are the
are the veterans days and the fact that those guys
(33:05):
understandably aren't practicing every every day. And then you've got
guys like Walter Nolan and Darius Robinson who have struggled
to stay healthy this year, Like are they even getting
(33:25):
through to to these guys? I mean, Darius has missed
two games, Walter's you know, missed nine games. What are
you teaching Kalas Campbell and Dalvin Tomlinson at this point?
And then on the flip side, like are you able
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to get through and register with guys like Walter Nolan
and Darius Robinson when they're when they've when they're dealing
with nagging injuries, when they're not participating consistently, Like and
that's just and so again it's a chicken egg thing, right,
Like is it the coaching or is it or is
(34:09):
it you know? The players, and it's it's tough for
a guy like Deebo, who's, like, like I said, a
young coach to want to have that reputation of being,
you know, being the guy that was coaching one of
(34:31):
the worst position groups in the NFL, right, Like, it's
your first NFL gig and you're like, damn, man, I
thought I was gonna be working with Kalais and Dalvin
the they barely practice and then then Walter has been
out almost all season. You know, like, like what am
I doing? Like what am I doing? Genuinely? So, yeah,
(34:53):
it's just I don't know, man, It's it's tough. This
this whole season has been kind of a crap show, right.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
It really has, it really has. Let's talk a little
bit more about about the offense. So coming next to
the Noises to Here podcast, Best Our Cardinals talking about
They're the best Cardinals talked on the web. There are
three bright spots about that offense. Let's talk about him.
That's coming to X and zups. You read You're back
on the Rise of Here podcast, Best are Cardinals talk
on the web. There are three bright spots you had Jacoby.
(35:23):
You've got Michael Wilson, got Trey McBride, and and let's
talk about that because we are getting volume numbers Jacoby's had.
Like statistically, he's doing really well. And if you ignore,
if you ignore the results, like what he's doing statistically
(35:45):
is really good. He's like, by getting three touchdown passes
against Houston, he's now at exactly two touchdown passes per game.
He's got three times as many touchdown passes. He's three
to one touchdown interception rate. That's good. He's completing over
two thirds, he's conveting about two thirds of his passes.
(36:06):
He's on pace for about thirty five hundred yards and
that's in twelve games. Like these are numbers you want
to see from your starting quarterback. And to get it
from Jacoby Brissett at his age now, at age thirty three,
when he's been a journeyman his entire career, it's really positive.
(36:30):
But then you take a look at the game results
and you're like, but what does this mean? Because there
there is there are positives one percent of the way
that Jacoby's playing because he's generally speaking, he's taking care
of the football, Like the interception's during the last two
weeks were bad interceptions, but otherwise he takes care of
(36:51):
the football, he gets the offense moving, and there's other
there's other issues. But when it's clear that he can't,
he's not a he's not a he's he's he's not
losing games, but he's also having no net net impact
(37:18):
on terms of their competitive their and competitiveness and their
ability to compete in games well.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
And so what's so interesting about like, what's so interesting
about his numbers is that I've kind of explained it before,
you know, but like they're just unfortunately, they just don't matter.
(37:44):
And what I mean by that is like he's putting
up all these numbers and and putting up all these
you know, counting stats, and it doesn't lead to this
team being any better. They're like, it's crazy. I say
this because everybody, you know, the vibes are so different.
(38:04):
But like, I think they're scoring point four points per
game more than they were with Kyler, which is wild
to say, because you know that hot start was that's
all you might talked about and and so you look
at it. But but we talked about it like they're
(38:27):
throwing the ball at such an absurd rate that it
becomes basically, it becomes basically like that they're that it's
(38:53):
hard to explain, like basically, the numbers don't matter because
they're throwing at such a high rate that he's going
to have these numbers no matter what, because he's throwing
the ball more than everybody else. Yeah, So it was
Pat Foreman, by the way, sorry, and he said, wondering
(39:14):
why there are only thirty one teams in my week
fifteen neutral pass rate data. Cardinals never ran a play
while the script was plus minus seven points during the
first three quarters. So neutral pass rate data means like
when the game is in the balance, right, like when
the game is close in matters, are they throwing? Are
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they more likely to throw the ball or run the ball?
The Cardinals before this week, so there was no data
from this week before this week, the Cardinals, they are
the number one team neutral pass rate, meaning like when
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the game is is within reach, they're saying, Jacoby win
the game for us, and Jacoby is saying no, He's
saying no.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
We've talked about that. So you know, in the in
the games that he's played, so the's one and eight,
there are eight losses, four of them were the three
score you know, the forty burgers that they gave up,
and then the other four games. The other four games.
(40:37):
So you've got Indie, you've got Green Bay, you've got Jacksonville,
and you've got Tampa. That Jacoby has had the opportunity two.
He's had the ball late in the fourth quarter or
in overtime in all four of those games, and in fact,
against Jacksonville was in the at the end of the
(40:59):
game in the fourth quarter and in overtime. He's zero
for five in leading touchdowns to win the gameh five,
oh for five. He did get the one game tying
field goal against Jacksonville to force overtime. And that's it.
And that's it. And so we've talked about it before,
(41:21):
so low leverage Cardinals offense awesome high leverage situation, they
ain't it.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Right. And that's what the hard part becomes, is that
like people just they look at it and they go, oh, well,
you know, it's he's look how much there, Look how
you know, how many stats he's putting up, and look
at how much he's doing. And and it's like you
(41:56):
look at it and you go, yeah, it's I mean,
the numbers are statistically impressive, but it's literally just resulting
in nothing. And that is where the issue comes in.
It's like, why would you want to why would you
(42:20):
want to celebrate that and look at that, going oh yeah,
that's that's you know, that's what we need because at
the end of the day, this isn't fantasy football, right, So,
Trey McBride having ten touchdowns is awesome for Trey McBride,
like awesome, awesome. The Cardinal's averaging less than twenty points
(42:45):
per game is terrible NFL offense. And so people are
going like, look at Trey blowing up like he's he's
killing it. It's like, well, they can't run the ball,
so they have to throw the ball in the red zone,
which you know again, but they're scoring at such such
a low rate now that you you look at it
(43:11):
and you go, oh, this team can't actually score when
it matters. I mean, we talked about it. They got
they didn't. They were never after the first possession of
the game. They were literally never within seven points at all.
(43:37):
Like that's that's kind of wild to think about, right, Like,
And so when you look at the when you look
at the total stats and you go, oh, yeah. I
mean he threw for two hundred and forty nine yards
and three touchdowns against the best defense in the NFL.
(44:01):
Would you would expect to be like, oh, yeah, he
gave him a chance to win and he was like no, no, no,
they they were down by three plus scores most of
the game. You're like, oh, so, then why does it matter?
I mean, just we can go back to that Jacksonville game, right, Like,
go back to that Jacksonville game and think about it.
(44:24):
No team in this century has lost a game when
they won the turnover battle four to zero. But the
Cardinals did, and that's because their offense stuck. I mean,
their offense was dreadful. But he threw for two hundred
and ninety yards or whatever it was in three touchdowns. Right,
(44:48):
so those numbers were great? Like who ca sorry, three
hundred and seventeen yards in a touchdown? Like those numbers
were great? Right, Like who cares? It's like no, it's
if the numbers mattered, they would have won a game
(45:09):
that every other team this century has won. Like That's
where I think the disconnect is for the fantasy football
hounting stats people, and the people are like no, like
you're literally just not winning games, Like you're not even competitive,
(45:31):
Like you finally had a great defensive performance. I know
it's been almost five weeks now, but or it has
been five weeks you finally had a great defensive performance
and you still lost. It's just it's wild to think,
like scoring thirty seven points the last two weeks against
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the Rams and the Texans, the top two defenses in
the NFL, So you technically raised their their you know,
points against numbers, you technically raise them. It is something
that people would be like, see, it's not the offense
isn't an issue. It's like, no, the defense is an issue,
one hundred percent. But if the offense can't score more
(46:15):
than twenty points, they're not going to win games, especially
when they go they have so many drives that are
are completely empty. So I don't know, man, it's it's
wild to me that this is even a thing. I
mean that the.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Cardinal the numbers that we're seeing for Michael Wilson and
Trey McBride and and and for those who believe and
those of us who thought that Michael Wilson had some
talent to him to see the production that he has
when he's given the opportunity. It is, it's satisfying, it's
it's it's something that allows us to go. It confirms
what we believed about what he could be. But it's
(46:57):
also frustrating because you're like, well, then why can't we
unlock him in a number two role? If he can
do that, why can't he do more in a number
two role? But we know that that's a schematic problem
for the most part, because that his goal. That is
both with and that's both with Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissett.
Whoever is playing the X production whoever's not playing the
(47:22):
X almost gets nothing.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Exactly. So yeah, it's just it's been interesting. I mean,
I'm happy to see a guy like Trey McBride, you know,
have the success because he is a relentless worker and
it's but it's also like, I know it sucks, but
it's also cool that he looks at it and goes
(47:55):
it doesn't matter, because to me, that tells me everything
I need to know. And by the way, Jacoby said
the same thing right like when when they he set
the NFL record for completions in a game, he was like,
we lost by what twenty? Like why are we even
talking about this, Like, yeah, it's cool. I'll think about
(48:17):
it when I'm retired. But were lost by nineteen points,
Like who cares? Like really, this is this is what
we're touting now, is that we set an NFL record
in a three score loss, Like.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Come on, yeah, one more thing coming to next on
the rest of your podcast, best Our Cardinals talk on
the web? What is up with this defense that's coming next?
In recips, he read We're back on the rest of
your podcast, mist our Cardinals talk on the web? This
Cardinals defense, I don't like. What is it? Forty or more?
(48:54):
In four of the last six games, they give up
the Nico Hollins three catches, two touchdowns, eighty five yards.
They only got one sack of CJ. Stroud two hits.
They only got their hands on three passes. They didn't
have creating takeaways. Houston was over fifty percent on third
(49:19):
down and a practice squad running back and a practice
good squad running back rush for over one hundred yards
in his NFL debut. So do we miss anything? Oh,
Dalton Schultz a catches seventy six yards and a touchdown.
I mean they're not slow, they're not limiting team's main
(49:40):
weapons and no names are putting up career numbers, so
that that's that makes two weeks in a row for
career highs. Obviously Jordan's Jawar Jordan's NFL debut was his
his career high. But the Rams game when Blake Korum
they're there backup went for one to twenty eight. So
(50:04):
the Cardinals are neither stopping or limiting the main weapons.
They're also giving up career games to guys who aren't
the main guys. There's nothing good about this defense at all.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah, And you know that's the hard part is is
you look at it and you kind of wonder, because
even the Tampa game wasn't bad, right, two hundred and
seventy nine yards total of for the for the Bucks.
They gave up under one hundred yards rushing. I mean
that Jacksonville game they gave up over one hundred yards rushing.
(50:44):
But they I mean they basically were the last team
that did well against Trevor Lawrence. Right, and you look
at those games and he you go, Okay, I mean
maybe the defense is finding a little something and then
it's like, no, we will then now have statistically the
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two worst performances on defense that we've had all season
by a large margin, by the way, too, like it's
gonna absolutely suck, and you're just and you just look
at it and you go, Okay, the Rams makes sense, right,
they're the Rams. They're phenomenal offensively, like we went over
all the numbers the other last week, right, but second
(51:29):
in scoring, uh, second in passing yards, eighth and rushing
yards like they're they're phenomenal, Like, okay, that makes sense.
And then you go Texans and you know they're getting better,
but they haven't really done anything spectacular outside of that
(51:51):
twenty six points against against the Jaguars a couple of
weeks ago. I mean, you look at it they I mean,
just look at sixteen points against the Tennessee Titans. You know,
twenty three points against the Bills, that's pretty good, twenty
points against the Colts, twenty against the Chiefs, and then
(52:12):
it's like, ho home forty forty points against there the Cardinals.
But again, you look at it, three hundred and seven
yards of offense like or sorry, three hundred ninety nine
yards of offense like it's just it was so easy,
like everything that they wanted to do was easy in
(52:35):
that game, and they pulled back so much on the
offensive side of the ball in that game too, Like
they could have thrown the ball probably for four hundred
plus yards if they really wanted to, because I mean
the Cardinals weren't stopping it, and I mean ces Shroud
(52:56):
was ho home twenty two of twenty nine for two
hundred and sixty yards and three touchdowns. Like, think about that, Jess.
It took him eleven less attempts to throw for eleven
more yards and the same amount of touchdowns. He like,
(53:18):
the efficiency was staggering. And so when you talk about
you know, passing yards and things like that, that's what
you need. You don't need You don't need four hundred
yards to be like, oh, look how good this offense was.
You need an offense that gives you points when when
(53:42):
you're doing something right. So like the Texans when they
threw the ball, those were every pass was basically our
pass completion was basically a guaranteed point for them, right,
Like they were going to score when they threw the
ball and they just reined it back in. They ran
(54:03):
the ball thirty three times. They didn't even because the
defense for the Cardinals was like, oh, Jerard Jordan. Yeah,
we can't stop him. He's too good, right, you know
they injured Woody Marx or you know what does he
(54:23):
do in that game? Right? So that's what it really
comes down to. And you know, you look at all
the numbers, you look at all the stats, and outside
of Walter Nolan and I truly mean this, who's the
guy that you look at on this defense and you're like, oh,
(54:46):
you can build around him? I mean Joshuatt. Don't get
me wrong, he's been fantastic, but he's twenty eight, like
he's having his best statistical year from a sack production standpoint,
and again it's.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Basically meaningless, like, yeah, and Nolan, Nolan's there, I think
you know, I think he saw from will Johnson. Will Johnson,
I think early looked like that as well.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
What about Garrett Williams? Are we are are we in
the concerned area or are we looking at and chalking
it up to a last year because he came back
probably too early from an.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Indian that's interesting because he went from looking great last year,
too good early on to then now he didn't look
good and then they had the one good game and
then not good again. I don't know what to think,
But well, I hope we saw from last year. You'd
(55:47):
hope that you could build around him.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Well, think about this, Jess k So he's only played
nine games this year. He played in all or he
played in sixteen last year. Jess, He's he's allowed two
hundred eight eighty three yards receiving in nine games, which
is terrible. Last year he allowed three hundred and twenty
(56:10):
nine yards in in sixteen. He's allowed five touchdowns this season.
He allowed four in his career before this season. Uh
and the quarterback rating when they throw at him as
one twenty eight point seven. So like, oh and by
(56:38):
the way, he's also missed eight tackles this year, like
a career high. He missed seven two years combined before this.
So like there is a concern that that last year
was the anomaly, right, And he's well, I don't think
(56:58):
he's terrible, because those numb terrible, by the way. But
at the same time, you look at it and you're like,
there's not I mean, there's not a dB that's playing
well on this team. So I mean maybe Denzel Burke, right,
(57:19):
because you look at just from a draft perspective, right,
a fifth round rookie, and you look at his numbers
comparatively obviously, but you know, in fourteen games, two hundred
and forty three yards, he's allowed a fifty four point
eight or quarterback rating, no touchdowns, you know, so that's
(57:40):
obviously better then Garrett. And then you know, but and
then you look at Will's and Will's allowed three hundred
and sixteen yards and four touchdowns and his his rating,
his quarterback rating when target is one twelve. So the
guys that you were supposed to be like, oh yeah,
(58:01):
you can build around these guys. And then you know,
Max Meltin outside of you know, kind of clapping back
against our buddy Kyle Hodegard. I love you, Max, Like,
I think you're a good ball player, but like, that's
the best defense you've had here, man, Like you got bench, bro,
(58:25):
Like that's a tough one, right, Like, and I know
now it's like, oh, yeah, he's injured, but before that
he was he was straight up benched. And and it's
very rare to even hear on air talent talk about that, right,
and that was talked about in the game by the
(58:46):
by the play by play guy. You know, injured, benched,
Whatever is wrong with him, and you're like, wait, we.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
Like that's weird, weird.
Speaker 3 (58:56):
And so you look at it and you're like the
guys that were supposed to be the guys, the guys
that you looked at, and you're like, oh, that's who
you're building around. They've all they've all regressed, which is
you know, going back to your your Jonathan Anny question
(59:19):
to me, that's why you're like, you can't bring these
dudes back. Like you've got guys like Max Melton who
looked like they were on the right track now questioning themselves.
You've got guys like Will Johnson, who you know again, competition,
(59:41):
I get it, blah blah blah. But like early in
the season you're like, oh damn that, like that was
the steal of the draft. And now you look at
these guys and you're like, holy crap, these these guys
are basically unplayable.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
But they all have to play because they don't have anyone.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
That's what I was gonna say. That's the worst part, right, Like,
holy crap, these guys are unplayable, but we have to
keep putting them out there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Oh yeah, we'll have to talk about this Falcons game
later this week. It's gonna be an interesting game because
the Falcons are also kind of a mess, but we should.
We might have two shows this week. More to go,
Seth and I will come later this week. I might
be able to book Chrissy Freud from the Falcons wire,
(01:00:31):
so hopefully we can get that done. Until then, we'll
be back Legain later that Seth Cox, I'm just rude.
Thanks for listening. As always, we'll be back against Sue.
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