Cardinals-Titans Week 5 reactions: Emari Demercado, Jonathan Gannon and more from the clown show

The Cardinals lost to the Titans and had a clown show of a second half. Between a snap to Kyler Murray's facemask, a touchdown turned turnover, a takeaway turned touchdown and a sideline incident with Jonathan Gannon, Jess and Seth have a lot to talk about. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
And Seth Cox, Alarizona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the
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about one of the worst games we've watched, well, at

(00:50):
least how things happen, my co host Seth Cox from
Revenge of the Birds dot com It's the nation's Arizona
Cardinals site, as we get to talk about what ultimately
became a cult show at State Farms Stadium on Sunday,
when the Cardinals lost their third straight game on a
last second field go losing twenty two to twenty one
to the lowly Tennessee Titan. It wasn't just that they lost,

(01:14):
that was part of it, but it was also the
ridiculous nature in which they did lose. After they were
dominant in Oh my gosh. Before we go into things,
let's ask the question, is this the worst loss we've
ever seen from the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I'm gonna say no, but it might be the most embarrassing,
if that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I was gonna say, we watched them set a NFL
record until last year with a loss in the in
the NFC Championship game. I mean that was far more
you know, that was much worse of a loss than this.
This was, Like you said, this is embarrassing. This is
one of those games where you look at and it's

(02:00):
because everybody's talking.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
About it, right, like, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Everybody's discussing how disgusting it was and all the things
that went wrong. But the reality becomes this was a
situation that the Cardinals again put themselves in a position
to allow a team to win a game. And you know,

(02:26):
we've talked the last couple of weeks about finishing and
urgency and things of that nature, and it all kind
of came to a forefront in this game, and there
were a calamity of errors, which makes it more embarrassing, right,
Like you said, probably the most embarrassing game of at
least the last you know, we've been doing You've been

(02:46):
doing this about fifteen sixteen years. I've been doing this
about well. It probably is the most embarrassing game of
that tenure. I don't remember far enough back into the
early Arizona or Phoenix Cardinals days where embarrassment was on

(03:09):
the table all the time, But this is you know,
one of those situations that you look at and and
you wonder how how a staff in general survives it?

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Right, Yeah, well that's for me what makes it. It's
the most embarrassing because they were doing so well early
in the game. So it's the greatest collapse we've ever
seen the Cardinals do. I think it's it's the greatest
absolutely collapse we've ever seen. I think the worst loss

(03:47):
I've ever seen was was the twenty twelve loss, the
fifty eight nothing game, basically that sealed the fate for
Ken wizen Hunt when they lost fifty eight to nothing
to the to the Seahawks. There's been some pretty bad
ones over the years, but I'm still going to say
that one was the absolute most the worst game I've
ever seen the Cardinals play. And I'm talking eating back

(04:09):
to nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety when I first started
to pay attention to Cardinals that that one was just
that was, but it was an embarrassment from start to finish.
It was an embarrassment start finished. This one just was.
It was. I don't know if I've ever seen the
Cardinals have a clown show of a That was a
clown show of the game. How that second half did

(04:32):
and honestly, it came down to three stupid things. If
any one of those three stupid things doesn't happen, then
we're talking about and we were talking about in our
group chat, and let us talk about the bad things
that There's the three absolutely embarrassing things that happened. The
first one is the the when YELLEDA snapped that ball

(04:54):
too early. You know, John Gaines wasn't he was making
a call if at first people that the broadcasts up
with they were pointing saying that they were off sides. Afterwards,
it became very clear that that Games was calling out
a protection, something that the right guard often does, calling
out of protection. Will Hernandez would do that when he played,

(05:14):
so I'm probably not sure what John Games was doing.
Kyler was noticing Games make that and the ball hit
some square in the face mask, they lose the ball
that would have been at least three points, those three
points with the difference, that was stupid that then we yelled,
the messed up the stab count. And and then even

(05:35):
like that, the interception that the circus play of that
interception turned the touchdown. That you know, that was just stupid, unlucky.
That wasn't There wasn't a greed anything egregious on that. Yes,
Rabbit should have held onto the ball. Keetrell should have
gotten down instead of you know, defensive backs when they

(05:55):
go up that the big guys are trained to do that,
like what you should do when the ball is on
the ground. You dropped to the ground and recovered instead
of trying to grab it, and then it just turns
into touch And now that was stupid, bad luck. That
was a terrible play. It was a circus play. And
then of course the basically there's two inexcusable things. It

(06:16):
was the snap that went off of Kyler's face and
then obviously the one that everyone's talking about, Amari Demarcado's
dropping the ball as he crossed the goal line. Now
there's no excuse for that. I still don't know how
sat and what nobody's talking about. I still don't know
how they overturned that call on review because I don't

(06:39):
think it was clear that he left control before he
crossed the goal line, and it's just.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's just one of those situations.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
The thing was just like, oh, we can't do that.
So it's a thing. I don't think there was. I
don't think it was conclusive that he lost control as
he was crossing the goal line. He's starts to let
but at that point that it's not when the fumbles starts.
It's not when he starts moving his hand, So you know,
that's a different thing. No one's talking about that. I think.

(07:09):
I don't. I think that was I thought that was
egregious for them to overturn it. But oh my gosh,
Porty Mercado and like, as much as I like him
as a player, the fact that he's not cut is
absurd to me. But that's that's a different conversation.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Right, But it goes back to what you're talking about
about embarrassing and not finishing games and losses and all
that stuff. There's no accountability from the top down, and
I will get into the fah accountability, the uh, the
media based accountability, right, but like there's no accountability from
the top down, and so that's how you end up

(07:52):
with results like this consistently. Here's the thing, justin I
joked about it when when Kyle Oudagard, I want to say,
but it might have been somebody else I don't remember
off the top of my head, and I'm pretty sure
was Kyle Lodeguard. He tweeted out something to the effect
of this is or or he reposted something to the

(08:18):
effect of like, hey, this is the third consecutive games
that where's that? Where's the Ash'm me sure? Get it right? Oh,
there it is, okay, So he reposted that this was

(08:39):
the third consecutive game to losing on the final play
of the fourth quarter. That's NFL history, NFL history, And
it's like, well, you know, if you're not excited about
about your team of NFL.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
History, historic Arizona Cardinals team, right, historic.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And so you you have to look at it and
gauge it off of that. And so that just is
one of those situations where obviously you and I are joking,
but like this is the reality. Like you only have

(09:25):
situations like that where you make and the NFL has
been around for a long time, just so long. You
are talking about the fact that this this franchise, as
inept as it has been, has done something that it's

(09:47):
never done before. And again that's what makes it embarrassing, right,
like you're finding new lows in your history of lows.
I mean, they're genuinely one of, if not the worst
professional sports franchises in all of American sports, North American sports.

(10:09):
I guess we throw in the NHL and and Toronto teams,
uh in Damba and.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
And I don't know enough about them even include but
definitely they are. The Cardinals are arguably one of the
worst teams in NFL history in terms of its Yeah,
they had some good stretch but very few, very few

(10:37):
good stretches.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
But but that's just it, you know, everybody's and you
and I have said this a thousand times. It's not
that we are convinced necessarily that Jonathan Gannon, Tyler Murray,
Drew pettsing are the guys. That's not That's not where

(11:02):
our hope, I guess is the best term for it
comes from. It's the fact that we are I guess
smart enough. But maybe that's you know, unfair to other fans,
but like, we're smart enough to realize that this is
not a franchise that's going like the the Bruce Arians,

(11:28):
that was a fluke.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
It was the lucky with They got lucky with Arians
because he was old enough that nobody wanted him.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
And and so the like, the only guy that you
can look at in their history that you can say
like this was a good impressive hire was wizen Hunt, Right,
like hot commodity coming off with Super Bowl, you know,
came to Arizona. But again, what did they have in place?

(11:55):
They had, you know, Matt Lioner, Larry Fitzgerald and kum Bold,
Like you look at what they had in place, and
you go, you know, and you're a youngish coordinator again
back in those days of the NFL, right forty five
was young for a head coach, and and you go, oh,

(12:17):
I'd give this guy a shot. But let's also be honest.
He was a good enough coach to coach the Denny
Green players to an NFC championship. He was not a
good enough coach to ever coach the Ken wizen Hunt

(12:39):
players to anything in two franchises and then has never
ever again been a head coach. And then he's been
out of the league since twenty nineteen, right, so like
this is a guy you know. So again when we
talk about the best like you know, young coach in

(12:59):
the franchise history, Like this is what is makes Sunday embarrassing? Right,
jess As Like this franchise is embarrassing. And and they've
never they've never ever done what they did on Sunday,
That's what makes it embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
It's it's very hard. You've been listening to guys who've
who's been listening to me for years writing I am
as hopeful and as positive and optimistic about things as
you will ever come across, trying not to go to
the side of home wish, but I just can't. Man Like,

(13:42):
it's hard. It's hard to remain any sort of positivity
because guess what, like as a writer, as a podcaster,
do you want to read and listen to constant negativity
about no? I'd like, that's that's not me generally in life.
But it is so hard to look at what happened
on Sunday and have any ounce of hope with what

(14:04):
is coming for the rest of this season. And really
comes down just a couple of plays and The question
that we post was this, if de Marcado crosses the
goal line or if they don't overturn it, like we're
still embarrassed that he all like did it. But if
that's not overturned, and if that interception doesn't turn into
a touchdown, what are we saying? The sky wouldn't be

(14:26):
falling anymore, and we'd be talking about a twenty eight
to fifteen at least the twenty eight to fifteen win
over a bad Titans team where they win by double
digits and looked good offensively for their first half. Maybe
the shady's the shaky second half maybe causes a bit
of concern, but we're like, okay, we're going in the

(14:47):
right direction. We come down basically two plays, two plays
too weird. Well, one it's just absolutely inexcusable, and one
just the flukiest of fluke plays. And I'm going to
compare that flue key play take of the Cardinals benefited
for one just like that, and like last year when
Jonah Williams, I can't remember who the throw was to

(15:09):
when it was fumbled into the end zone and Jonah
Williams dove on the ball for the touchdown. That's that
type of flue key play. When your offensive lineman scores
a touchdown on a fumble, that's a fluke. And when
your rookie quarterback throws an interception that then then turns

(15:32):
into a touchdown, also a flute, but sort of basically
the only type of fluke that would happen to the
Years and the Cardinals. That wasn't the only bad thing
that we saw from that date, from that game, and
I think we have to we have to point to
it as frustrating as we are, as frustrated as we
are about how the offensive play calling Woodland in the

(15:53):
game when they're trying to run out the clock and
they'd run three straight run plays after that and they
had a chance to put away, you know, it shows
once again the conservative nature of the coaching staff. And
as much as we want to yell at Drough Petsing,

(16:14):
we have to we have to we have to understand
that this is what Gannon wants. It's what he wants,
It's what Petsing was coach. Was that's the you know,
because if Gannon wanted this from Petsing, didn't want it
from Petsing, it would be changing and it's not. But

(16:35):
then on the other side of the ball. So we were
all talking about the offense. This defense doesn't know how
to stop anyone when it counts, ever, and they rely
on individual big plays at the last minute. That's the
only reason why we weren't saved from overtime against the
Saints because Voudin JT broke up that pass, not recover

(16:56):
the on side kick against Carolina, you got Clays to
get that sack. They were they were on a crash
course for a loss right there, and it would have
been a clown show. Then that the cam Ward has
looked terrible and then in the fourth quarter he looks
like whatever, like maybe maybe something things clipped for him,
or the desperation of the moment. But the fact of

(17:17):
the matter is this defense, while it looks good at times,
is awful in the clutch well.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
And it goes back to what you talked about earlier, Jess,
this defense. I mean, it's ironic that we're talking about this.
You know that your stuff's always listening. But on my
phone right now, NFL Draft files just kind of posted
on X about fourteen hours ago. All these throws that
that cam Ward made in this game, and they're all

(17:49):
fourth quarter throws and he watched them and they all
have one thing in common. Jess. Oh no, it's always
four guys rushing the past or dropping seven, and so
there's no pressure and so the guys are just running free.
And that's I mean again, at what point are you

(18:16):
do you go? I mean, think about it, Jess, even
even with all the shenanigans right leading up to even
that that third and eight run where you're like, what
on like did you really just okay? Whatever? First and

(18:38):
ten from the eighteen and again comes down to it
one third down, Jess, one third down, and it was
a third and three, Like there's just no there's no urgency,
there's no there's no them going after him. It's just

(19:00):
all very much like all right, death by a thousand cuts,
don't get be deep. But now you're missing Max Maltain,
you're missing Garrett Williams, You're you're relying on I mean,
who is the guy that got beat again, Deep Clark,
who's a good player.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I mean he has had had some good moments in
the game, but I mean he's a good.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Fourth, fifth corner on exactly. If he's your cornerback four
or five, you're in a fantastic but he's cornerback. We'll
say one two right now, because obviously, when Will's healthy,
he can be one. But he's cornerback one or two,
and he's just not up to the task, even against

(19:45):
you know, thirty whatever year old Calvin Ridley, who's looked
awful all season. I mean, jes think about this. Think
about this, Jess. Calvin Ridley hummy into the game, had
one hundred and forty one yards receiving on the season,

(20:07):
nearly doubled that. He had one hundred and thirty one
yards receiving against the Cardinals. Like, it's just such a baffling,
baffling situation, and you look at it, so much of
it came in the fourth quarter. Yeah, this team just
like I don't want to say they don't care, because

(20:28):
they do, but like they let Calvin Ridley gain almost
one hundred yards in the fourth quarter of a game.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Mm hmm. And it's funny. Notice how when they they're
trying to they're trying to make things happen the fourth quarter,
they go to their best receiver. That's crazy, it's crazy, right,
Like the fourth quarter, the Cardinals didn't even look at
Marvin Harrison they didn't really look at Drey McBride. It's

(21:03):
just that's just a number of things. The defense is.
They they're doing good at sometimes at times, but we've
seen time and time again when they need it, Like
they were lucky. They were lucky against New Orleans, but
Spencer Ratler took them down at the end of the
game and it would have been overtime, or if they'd

(21:26):
have gone for two, the Cardinals probably lose and we'd
beat The sky will be falling earlier? Did it nearly
happened against Carolina. Matt Jones did it to him in
week three. Sam Darnold did it to him in week four,
like after Kyler took him back, got him, got at
the end game tied, and what do they give up?
They give up a massive play to jackson'spithy jigba. And

(21:49):
once again when they when the defense, when this coaching
staff says, okay, we trust our defense, the defense proved
it cannot be trusted in the clutch. They give up
big pass plays every time.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, and that's one of those things that you and
I talked about, right And we're not saying we're not
saying that they should completely changed things or or you know.
But one of the things that people just have harped

(22:38):
on for the last I mean now five weeks, but
we've had people that have been harping on all off
season two is Drew Petsion. Look I talked about this
a week ago. I'm talking about it again now. Patsaying
is calling the plays that are basically what he's being

(22:59):
asked to do, don't screw it up, and so and
so again, in whether it's it's belief for arrogance or
a combination of the two, has basically said like, we
don't need you to win games. Who need you not
to lose games, And we're going to rely on our defense.
And like you said, the defense isn't up to the task.

(23:20):
And I text you about this earlier today. You know,
people talk about, you know, the influences and this and
that and the other thing, just the two influences of
this franchise where most of the staff gets their influence
front the Cleveland Browns. Kevin Stefanski thirty first in scoring

(23:44):
per game, twenty fourth, in passing yards thirtieth and passing
touchdowns twenty sixth, and rushing offense twenty fourth in yards
per attempt okay, but I mean that defense, a defense
is something special. Right, second in yards allowed in the NFL.

(24:06):
That defense is phenomenal. And then who's the other team,
the Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles, you know, they're twelfth in
scoring offense. That's that's not bad, but they're thirtieth in yards,
thirty first in passing yards, twenty fifth and right, I

(24:26):
mean they have Saquon Barkley and Jalen Hurts and they're
twenty fifth in rushing yards on the season, they're twenty
ninth in rushing yards per attempt.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Jess, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Like when you look at franchises and you look at
teams and you see what the guys that they are
trying to copy, and copy is not the right word,
but you know they're trying to emulate. The Eagles and
the Browns are the philosophies that gan in and that's

(25:00):
stem from. The Eagles are four and one because they
have the most talent in the NFL, yes, not because
they're playing well. The Browns are one in four and
just traded their veteran quarterback who I've actually seen Cardinals
fans talk about they should go after before he signed

(25:23):
with them. So again, like Joe Flacco can't do bupkis
in the Kevin Stefanski offense under Kevin Stefanski, Like why
would he come here and be more effective? And so
that's the thing is, like, you know, everybody kind of

(25:47):
remembers what the Eagles did last year in the Super Bowl,
and they go, yeah, they're an explosive, dynamic offense, and
they remember they remember the Eagles Super Bowl. When they
remember the Eagles bludgeoning of the of the Commander Skins
in the NFC Championship game, right, they don't remember that

(26:11):
they were the twenty ninth best passing offense in the NFL.
They didn't throw the ball. It wasn't what they wanted
to do in the.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Farness, they didn't need to because they had stayed on
Barkley having a special year. And that's that's that's how
they that's how they kind of build this team. They
build it on James Connor. They're built on James Connor here,
and they they basically go from that, Right, they build
the offense around James Connor being great and then they

(26:43):
let Kyler do the rest.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
And so, you know, when you have no James Connor
and people will say, well, you know the Eagles had
a J. Brown. A J. Brown had like seventy more
yards or eighty more yards than than Marvin Harrison Junior.
It wasn't like a J. Brown put up fourteen hundred yards, right,

(27:07):
DeVante Smith had eight hundred and thirty three yards, like
Dallas Goderre, who is a very well paid tight end,
had four hundred and ninety six yards receiving last year.
Like this wasn't this dynamic, explosive offense. It was We're

(27:27):
gonna let our defense, who is elite, elite, yeah, win
football games. And that's where Jonathan Gannon came from. That's
the philosophy he's learned under. And so that's what he's
going with. And he picked a guy in Drew Petsing
who fits what he wants to do, who fits in
that mold. And so he when he says I don't

(27:48):
have a problem with the offense, he's not lying. He
might have a problem with execution, like you said, yo,
the pro Holt snapping the ball early, the you know,
a Mario tim Rcado dropping the ball early. He might
have problems with execution of sections of the offense. But
he doesn't have a problem with the offense because this

(28:08):
is what the offense he wants to run looks like,
and that's what he's doing, and that's why you're seeing.
You're seeing what you're seeing. That's why you're seeing games.
People forget the Cardinals went in or not went into
But yeah, the Cardinals went into Philly with a fresh

(28:31):
off of recovery. Kyler Murray put up four hundred and
forty nine yards of total offense, scored thirty five points
in one, and beat the Philadelphia Eagles in Philadelphia. The
Eagles then proceeded to lose twenty seven to ten to
the New York Giants, in thirty two to nine to
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in successive weeks, and got knocked

(28:54):
out of the playoffs on the wildcard round. But like
Jes said, they had an elite defense, first in yards,
second in scoring. That's unheard of, that's just unheard of.
They slowed the game down to a complete and utter

(29:14):
I mean they ran, They ran almost two hundred more
plays than their opponents did last year. What they did
last year was not a sustainable way of winning football games.
And I know people are like, well, they won a
Super Bowl who cares exactly? Who cares? They won a

(29:35):
Super Bowl, so it doesn't matter. But that's how they
wanted to run things and it's working, or it worked
for a full season and they won a Super Bowl.
They're four and one this year. But I don't think
anybody looks at what the Eagles are doing and fear
the Eagles this year like they did last year. Right,
I mean again, their thirtieth in offense. They've been out

(29:58):
gained by their opponent three hundred and sixty one yards
this season. They're sixteenth in scoring defense this year, Jess,
Like they're just average defensively, and so yeah, they're winning games,
but I mean you look at their wins twenty four
to twenty twenty seventeen, thirty three, twenty six, thirty one,

(30:20):
twenty five, like those are all one score games. And
then they lost this week in one score game. And
we've talked about one score games before, like those are
genuinely a coin flip. We're seeing the coin flip in
Arizona too, right, the Cardinals won two to one score
games now less three, Like that's the coin flip of

(30:40):
one score games. You you can't put yourself in a
position to do that, and so you know, long winded
of this is you're going to get the same results
over and over again if that's your philosophy, because that's
it's not a sustainable way to play thing or run things.
Let's be honest, Jess, and this is no shade of
mind Carter and Amario, dear mccardo. But especially when you're

(31:03):
running out running back three and four as your main
offensive weapons, like that's you have a top twelve paid
quarterback in the NFL, you have a top four drafted receiver,
you have the second highest paid tight end in NFL history.

(31:23):
You invested a top six pick in in a left tackle.
Throw the ball like, be aggressive, be explosive, like do
something different than what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Come on next to the Rest Here podcast PCTAR Cardinals
Talk of the Web. Let's talk about maybe a little
bit of good that came from that game. That's coming
next to mess You read it. You're back on the
rest of Here podcast, pcer of Carlos Talk of the Web.
As we talk about that that lost to the Tennessee
Titans and everyone's focusing on the negative, there were a
few good things. There were a few good things. We've

(32:02):
got to recognize that. Obviously, the segment probably won't go
too long. But I think what you have to look
at was the start offensively, There's basically two things we
look at. The addition of will Hernandez to the start
to the starting lineup was great. I don't know if
it's if that has been the difference, you know, by

(32:24):
by putting by inserting him Will Hernandez back at right guard. Now,
granted they didn't have Evan Brown, but Edinburn Brown has
not been playing well, so Isaiah Adams in for you know,
Evan Brown perhaps was not an upgrade or downgrade, but
Will Hernandez they produced like what nine yards per play
in the three drives that he was at the game.

(32:46):
And two, it appears that Mark's going to be okay,
that that fourth quarter that he had against Seattle is
carrying over in whatever in his head was going on
isn't happening or didn't carry over because he was great.

(33:08):
He was that the double moss, the catches that he had,
he looked engaged, he looked locked in. And then the
only thing, the only thing that we have to look
at now is why does he not getting more looks?
And I know we know why. We know why. It's
because there's nothing being done creatively to make sure that
he gets easy looks. Everything that is thrown to him,

(33:33):
everything that is thrown to him is a hard thing.
And they're counting on him and say they don't scheme
anything easy for Mark And and that's the shame. But
what I think we can come away from a very
positive thing and say Marv's gonna be fine and Will
hernandis in the lineup. That's a good thing. Now, granted

(33:57):
Tennessee's defense is not particularly good, and then we didn't
talk about this as a negative. The Cardinals still put
up rushing yards, although the rushing yards are not as
good as they look like you look at the one
hundred and sixty eight yards. Seventy one of those came
on a play that ended up being a turnover. They

(34:18):
still only average outside of the Mercato run three and
a half yards per carry. But and we didn't see
an efficient or run game. But it wasn't awful. And
so the running game is somewhat sustainable early in games,

(34:39):
even with Michael Carter, which is a good thing moving forward,
but not a great thing.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, and I mean again, we're talking about a team
that needs to be able to run the ball to
be effective because that's the way they coach, and so
if they're not able to do that, then we kind
of see what happens. And that's that's been obvious in
you know, especially those second labs where they can't sell
games away like they want to. You know, a couple

(35:06):
other things I thought were good. I thought we saw
you know, Will Johnson continues to look like a special
player when he's out there. That's a good thing. Josh
Sweat continues to having.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Jeff Sweat, he's producing four sacks five games. He's earned
his money. He's earned.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I think he's I think he's up to five sacks, right,
I think, yeah, he's up to five. So he's got
five and five games. That's at least what Pro Football
Reference has I'm using the actual site.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
It is he's got. So he's averaging a sack of game.
He keeps going that seventeen sacks and that is oh,
like he's getting paid like an eight sack guy right now.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Also, well, and you put it on it too, six
you know, tackles for loss. He's having, you know, a
borderline career a year. Let's just you know, let's just
keep it turning the right way. But just that's you know,
that's another thing that we can talk about if we
talk negatives a little more. Is like, you know, Josh
Schweat great, Kalayis Campbell been good.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I mean he didn't like he was he was more
or less visible in this game.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
But but and let's be honest, let's Klais Campbell is
playing great for a thirty nine year old. Yes, Kalais
Campbell is playing good for a NFL defensive lineman. I
think that's the you know, that's the difference, right, Like
he's he's playing amazing for thirty nine game.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
But two sacks outside of Kalais and Josh Sweat.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
And that's a problem, that is proble. And then you
know the other thing, this was a game where outside
of Will Johnson, there was a lot of struggles in
the secondary. I mean, Dadrian Taylor Demerson had a nice game.
It was unfortunately negatively highlighted with the with the uh,

(37:00):
the fumble off the interception. But I mean, we just
we haven't seen enough from guys like Key Trell Clark,
and again he's being put in an impossible situation he's
not an outside every down corner. Jalen Thompson, you know,
had had a bad week, and it was a bad

(37:22):
week to have a bad week. Buddha Baker struggled in
this game. You know, it was a lot of negative
coverage grades in this game. And and and then you
look at it. You know, you you you mentioned it,
but there just isn't enough of a pass rush. But

(37:43):
I you know, again, Will Johnson looks fantastic. J must have.
He continues to be an anomaly. I mean, it's very
weird for a guy that was drafted or undrafted I
guess technically right in twenty twenty three and played forty

(38:05):
two snaps in his career to start like making an
impact in year three on his third or fourth different team.
So it's cool to see that, right, Like, that's a
cool situation because it's just so rare. I think on
the off the side, Paris continues to blossom into a

(38:27):
special talent. I don't think anybody really would disagree with
that thought, right now, you know, And then and you know,
we mentioned the names earlier, but I guess we should,
you know, shout him out. And you mentioned Marv so
but Trey McBride continues to be Traymickr. So so that's

(38:48):
the thing is you've got these guys that played well,
that you expect to play well. It's just that you're
not getting a whole lot from a lot of other guys.
And that's that's definitely an issue, Is it not?

Speaker 4 (39:07):
It is? It is coming next time The Resists Here podcast,
The Best Our Cardinal's Talk on the Web. Let's talk
about Jonathan Gannon. What's going on there that's coming to
next to the receipts he read, We're back on the
rest of Here podcast. It's Our Cardinals Talk on the Web.
Things for Jonathan Gann and suddenly don't look good. I
think the things are starting, the the trust fans are

(39:32):
having are starting to is starting to erode. But I mean,
first off, I got to talk about the blow up
that he had with de Marcado on the sideline. Obviously,
the video surfaced of you know, Gannon lost it on
the sideline. This is the first time we've ever seen
him do that. He's pretty much a composed guy. On

(39:54):
the sideline, went just chewed the heck out of Imara
Demarcatt and then you see him striking twice there's a
lot of opinions on appropriate and not appropriate. My take
personally is is it good now? Definitely not good, But
is it horrible? No, because it was in the pads.

(40:15):
It's it's just something that we've seen. So I don't
think it's a positive. But I also think it's I
don't think it's something egregious, just out of character for again,
and now it came out today on Tuesday that Genna
was fined one hundred thousand dollars by the team for
that and that the ad there won't be any investigation
by the NFLPA because the Cardinals took care of it.

(40:38):
And all I've got to say about this and I
get you know, if we're talking about workplace behavior, management
and labor, you know, management being the coaches in the
front office, and labor that that that falls into that category.
Bruce Arians was fined in fifty twenty twenty two when
he took a swat at a safety's helmet after play

(41:02):
after a mess up, and so there's a little bit
of precedent there, and I think it's just the lead
protecting itself in terms of workplace conditions. That said, we
all know what this is. The only reason the Cardinals
did this. The only reason is because so many people

(41:22):
are talking about it. That's all. That's the only thing.
This is the optics thing. The Cardinals felt they had
to do something that people are talking about it. And
you know, Gannon, to his credit, whether whether or not
the fine came first. So maybe he was maybe he
was made aware of the fine that night Monday morning.

(41:46):
My guess is his his remorse is genuine. Based on
all the interactions that we've we've had with Jonathan Gannon,
the way he talks about character and things like that,
I believe he genuinely felt remorse for how we acted
on the sideline because it is not how he wishes
to portray himself. He believes he needs to be. That's

(42:08):
one that's you know, there's a reason why he doesn't
fly off the handle in press conference. This is a
reason why you don't see him lose his call like
you see other head coaches do on the sideline because
he believes philosophically that is his job to do and
he did lose it. And so that was that a character?
Is that something that had Is that a common thing
we see at all levels of football? One hundred percent.

(42:30):
You see it at all levels of football. But you know,
to find out after he said he apologized to the team,
he talked about it publicly and how that's not how
he wants to look, and then to get the fine afterwards,
it's just like, I mean, sure, I don't blame the
team for doing it, but like he lost as cool

(42:51):
and they're not doing anything unlessly. Here's the thing with
himar and a deMercado. No, he's not getting cut as
far as we know, he's not getting benched, but he's
already he's already a role player. Perhaps perhaps there is
a fine for type of grgious type of things that
go behind them the scenes. I know NFL teams do

(43:12):
have finds for things like that that are established behind
the scenes, and perhaps they're that doing that, but we'll
never find out about that. But it feels it feels
kind of gross when Demarcado's inexcusable mistake goes unaccounted for,

(43:33):
like normal accountability for that. I'm sure there's accountability for
that behind the scenes. It's not what we want to see,
even I even I said that during the game, like
you've got to cut it. Like with how things are going,
I like Demarcado and I want de Marcado on the team.
But that is the type of thing that gets players cut.
Like you look back at twenty eighteen, what happened to
DJ sweering, You're after like a game? They cut him.

(43:55):
They cut him after a game because of how he acted.
And maybe it was more about in the locker where
we saw it happen with you know, Benjamin, he got cut,
but that was more off the field than on the field.
And maybe that, but it feels that this fine that
he was reported by Adam schefernein rapaport was more for

(44:16):
appearances only, and that then we know that the Cardinals
if it had this not this video not been talked about,
no nothing would have happened. If this hadn't been caught
on camera and then people talking about it getting millions
of views, no one would think nothing would have happened.
And that's that's the thing that I don't like when

(44:37):
that is the case. If you're gonna be as in
an organization, you've got to hold the line one way
or the other and not only do it for optics.
And I think that's what this was about.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Oh buddy, this is a franchise that cares only about optics.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I mean, like, oh my gosh, this team.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Well and you look at it. I mean there's other
things too that we've talked about, right, like the update
on the twenty twenty eight practice facility. Right, you know,
people were like, wait, I thought they were going to
do it the old No. No, because you got to
remember they got to they got a huge, huge land

(45:24):
deal and they're going to make a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Just they are, right, yeah, that's great for the team.
They got one hundred and thirty seven acres and oh
was it? I can't However many one hundred acres and
thirty of it it's going to be for the complex.
This is one hundred the only team like they were
going to renovate the they were going to renovate the
Tempi facility. But they're doing it this way because it's

(45:51):
a real estate venture. It's what it is. It's money
making and that's fine, that's fine, but there's.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Nothing wrong with it. But they like because this thing
is because in the end, the only thing that gets
the headlines. The headlines aren't going to be about the
the real estate and.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
The shopping centers and all the development that's going to
make bid will millions of dollars every year.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
No, it's it's going to be about they finally upgrade. Look,
they upgraded the practice fasability like two hundred and to
your point, two hundred and seventeen acre property. They're only
using thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Thirty for the practice. Not granted that's double double their
current facility. But they they didn't buy all that land
for the facility. That's part of a very large project
meant to make a lot of.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Money, right, And so you look at it against the
optics of it. So it's you know, the homework clause,
the the the way, the kasso rojas or roja or whatever, like,
all of that stuff is like optics and that's what unfortunately,
that's what the owner cares about the most. And and
I've talked with you about this. I don't know if

(47:01):
we've discussed it on the air. I've talked with you
about this, and we've talked about it, I know for
a fact offline, and I have you know, those that
don't know, My wife and I traveled to Vegas a
lot that's one that's like our getaway spot, you know,
long weekend stuff like that. So we've made friends in Vegas. Uh.

(47:21):
And one of the things that we've talked to these
people about is the Raiders. And where I'm going with
this is the Raiders and the Cardinals and now the
Rams and the Chargers, but more of the Rams our
destination games for opposing team fan bases. Fans gravel in

(47:49):
droves to go see their team play against the Cardinals,
against the Raiders, against the Rams. Is it better with
the team? Is good? Yes? Does it matter? No? Did
you see Sofi Stadium in that Rams forty nine Ers
Thursday night game?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
That was That was santluth Man.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Right, that was seventy percent Niners fans. The same thing
happens in Arizona. The same thing happens in Las Vegas.
So that's the thing people can be boycott you do.
It doesn't matter, man, they're gonna sell out every game
because opposing fans are coming to town like that. Stuff

(48:34):
doesn't matter and so and so the optics of doing
this is amazing. We don't accept this kind of behavior.
This is this is abhorrent. I can't believe this would happen.
It was on camera. So we got to do something
about this, right, like one hundred thousand dollars dropping the
bucket for JG. I mean, you know sucks. It is

(48:58):
what it is. It's probably one of these paid head
coaches in the NFL. But in the grand scheme of things,
if he's making you know, two two and a half
million a year, again not a not a whole lot.
And that's how they do it. That that's the cardinal way,
Like what is going to and and this is the
thing too, is it's always snap decision crap like this

(49:20):
right that then it actually is worse. But just genuinely asking,
because I would love your input on this, like do
you think he cares about what the like when people
laugh at when something like this happens, Like why did
you find your head coach one hundred thousand dollars for
doing that? Like really like because that's that's the real

(49:43):
I mean I have seen I would say twenty five
percent reaction of like, goody, you know you don't touch
a player. Okay, we can all agree on that, Like
you shouldn't physically push another, you know, a player. However,
as just point out earlier, this isn't you know, a
principle pushing a teacher. This isn't that type of situation.

(50:06):
This is, you know, a heated, fierce game where adrenaline
is flowing and you just watch your team go from
a twenty eight to six lead to going, whole crap,
we're about to give up another lead again, right, Like?
So those are those are all probably going through JG's
mind in that situation. Again, doesn't excuse it, just reality

(50:27):
that being said, Man, it's like, how many more of
these can we have? Like at what point is it
looked at from more than just like oh this is
this is bad or this can't happen. At what point
is it looked at? Is like, there needs to be
actual accountability for what's happening. And I'm not saying that.

(50:50):
You know, every time somebody makes a mistake, somebody lose
their job. But again, you're the third or fourth string
running back right on a mediocre team and you literally
have now in two different games posture team games correct.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
And yet he's no other punishment because it's what's best
for the team. You know, Demarcot will get pick somewhere else.
They get picked up somewhere else because it's skill set
is nice. But he is one hundred percent replaceable. Love
his story, great kid, very solid, has made some really
big plays, but at the same time one hundred percent

(51:35):
replaceable and on a team where things right now feel
like they're holding.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
On by just a thread.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
You gotta do that. You got to pull the trigger
right And that's the of the thing with Gannon is
didn't guess gan is Gannon this close to losing this team?
Is that what it feels like right now?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I mean this close? Or genuinely has he already? Like
does stuff like that make players go never mind, We're
not mumlesslam anymore? Right? Like? Nah? Man? Like this dude,
this dude finally cares after something, and again, was it

(52:17):
an egregious air? There's no, there's literally no way you
can look at that and go like, oh that you know,
Oh well, what are you gonna do? No, it's it's
that was an egregious, like just damning mistake. But also
like you haven't done anything about all the mistakes throughout

(52:38):
the season, right, So, so do you actually care? And
that's how the players and so so to the players
right wrong or otherwise they're going, oh, damn, coach actually
cares finally, like why because it's against the worst team
in the NFL or the team that was expected to
be the worst team in the NFL. And it's like,
why didn't you care that much when and you know

(53:02):
when what's his name? Shoot, Chad Ryland? You know Biff
the kickoff? Right? You know, why didn't you care that
much when when Sday Jones dropped the past? Why didn't
you care that much? You know? The week before when
Marv struggled, Like why didn't you care? Why is it
just now that you care? You know, why didn't you

(53:25):
go off on Kyler for one of the interceptions against
Seattle or or things like that, like why is it
just now that you cared? And why was it against
you know, again a back up afterthought running back right,
like why why is it taking you so long to
actively care? And So that's a fair question and something

(53:51):
that he's going to have to deal with overall. But
I mean, you you posed the reality the so well
early in the show, Jess. The numbers are skewed because
they're holding teams under twenty points per game on defense

(54:14):
nineteen point two points per game. They're fourth in the NFL.
They're twenty first in yards, twenty first, Ess, I genuinely
and I'd have to like do it.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
And here's the thing, and we'll talk about they're going
to face a team this week that scores points. Yeah,
remember the twenty seventeen the twenty seventeen team or twenty sixteen,
it was one of the two years, and they were
like I think it was twenty sixteen where their top
five in both offensive defense, but that defensive those defensive

(54:50):
numbers were smoking hears because they were doing it against
Like the points were were low because they were playing
against bad offenses. And yeah, that's that's kind of the situation,
and we might I'm more worried they're going to get
absolutely smoked in Indy. And I wanted to bring it
back to the Gannon law because the first thing I

(55:12):
thought about when I saw that video because like I remember,
it was my very first year in the press box,
even it was my first year in none of the
press box. This year my first year in the press box,
and it was Ken Wison's final year. Reg and Moea,
their full back, spiked the ball after some play they
picked up a first down. I don't remember what the
scenario was, but he spiked the ball, got hit with

(55:33):
a fifteen year penalty and wizen Hunt absolutely lost, absolutely
lost his crap on Maia. It happened to coincide that
year that was his last year, and that was when
they were in the middle of their they had lost
they won four in a row, but then lost eleven
of the final twelve games. He lost his crap, he
lost the team, and then he was fired at they

(55:53):
cleaned house and that's what led to Bruce Arians and
Steve Kind. But that sort of thing come by with
how things are going, that's the thing that this might
be the marker of this is what gets him fired.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
I will say this, we were talking before the show
is just a couple of years ago. We were talking
about Nick Sirianni in the same way people were talking
about Nick Serion has lost the team. We've got a
bad relationship with Jalen Hurts. They weren't playing all that well.
They got it turned around. There's still time to get

(56:29):
things turned around. But it is very quickly heading in
a direction where I didn't think there was any scenario almost.
I think that when I said before of the season,
I think there was only there was the only scenario
in which that Gannon's seen as hot as if this
year's a disaster and right now we are on the
verge of a disastrous dumpster fire of a season if

(56:51):
things don't turn around quickly.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
And that's yeah, if they go, if they go four
and thirteen, it's hard to run him back. And people
might say, well, you know, you give him, let him
move on from Kyler and untrackle himself from Kyler and Petsing. Okay,

(57:12):
that's fine. But then then you're in the Brian Dable
Brian Callahan situation where you're one and four and you
have a rookie quarterback and you still look like pooh,
and so so now how do you thrust cam Ward
or Jackson Dart onto a new head coach? Right? Like,

(57:32):
that's that's what people don't understand, is whether or not
it's fair or right or any of that crap. And
I'm not saying it is. It is the reality of
the league. And so to come out and and just
go like, oh, yeah, we should, we should just see

(57:54):
the end of of the the Kyler era and let
JJ get his guy, okay. And and if it's Joe
Flacco and they're one and four or you know, Gino
Smith and they're they're uh one and four, I mean
it's justin fields and they're zero and five, like, so

(58:17):
then you're fired, or like I said, you're the Giants
or the or the the Titans and you go get
a young guy, right, it's it's it's great, everything's just peachy,
everything's working out great, and oh crap, we're one and four.
Uh and now we have a young quarterback. But what

(58:39):
happens if the new coach doesn't like that young quarterback?
We've haven't we seen this before? So so that that's
the thing. Here's my here's my opinion on the whole situation.
I think either it's a clean house moment where you're
talking head coach, quarterback, all the coaches involved, or as

(59:05):
much as people would absolutely hate it, it's a lame
duck situation where you run it back one more year
and you see if it has anything. And I know
people would be like, well, that's the dumbest thing I've
ever heard, But like, what are the truth? Truthfully, what
are the other options? I mean, we just went over

(59:25):
it and people might say like, oh, well you could
be like the Colts, okay, but Shane Steichen isn't walking
through that door. Shane Steichen is an offensive guru who
just needed help. Jonathan Gannon is a defensive guy and

(59:46):
and for three years he's wanted to win games the
same way. Like that's what the question becomes. And and
you know that this might sound like, well, it's never
gonna work again, and well, I don't know, it probably
is not. I mean, the history of the Arizona Cardinals
is saying it will not work again. And because it's

(01:00:07):
worked with one guy, Bruce Arians. I mean, Bruce Arians
is literally the only coach that left on his own terms.
And so if that's you know, it working out for
everybody involved, that's the reality of it. So that's why Forgannon,
it's it's really easy to say like he's not the guy,

(01:00:28):
right like it for you and I it going back
three years ago, it would have been really easy to
be like, well, he's just going to be the next
guy in line, and in four years we'll be looking
for the next guy. That's it. That's the easy take.
Because it's the reality. We'd like it to not be
the reality. We'd like it to go to the next
step and like some build something. And that's why I've

(01:00:50):
we've obviously discussed ad nauseum about you know the Lions
and how they've built it and hoping that they've done
it in the right way. The hard part is is
that Dannon and and Dan Campbell are inherently different in
terms of philosophy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Correct. Campbell's like, epit, let's do this, and and Gannon
is like, no, no, no, no, Well, let's let's talk
one more thing before we wrap this up. A little
bit longer show than normal. Coming that next on the
rest of Serite podcasts, Best Our Cardinals Talk on the
Web Future Drew Petsing. What do we got to see
from him? That's coming next from Red We're back on

(01:01:32):
the rice of your podcast. It's Our Cardinals Talk, Cardinals
Talking on the Web talk, And now about Drew Petsing?
Is there like they keep everyone keeps wanting to say
fire Petsing. Here's like, what what are you going to
do if you lose Petsing this year? It is different.
This is different than Mike McCoy. Now let's remember that.

(01:01:52):
Let's this is different than Mike McCoy in twenty eighteen
when things got bad, and so we'll expide McCoy. You
know I stipped because McCoy wasn't Wilkes guy was not
That was Steve Kimes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Guy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Steve Kaime wanted to give Steve Wilkes. Mike McCoy right,
Petsing is one Gannon's choice. He's the guy that he wanted.
So for him to fire Petsing mid season would be
to say that I am messed up, which means, well
it because he's doing like Gannon ties himself to Petsing.

(01:02:28):
Now here's a little thing. And my son pointed this out.
My son pointed this out. He tweeted it today. You know,
we have hope. You know what, what the coordinators have
how long their contracts are three years? Three years, So
maybe there's hope if Gannon gets another if things don't

(01:02:50):
fall apart completely, they can simply not re sign Petsing.
Now that'll look bad for Gannon, but they've done it
with a couple other coaches. But in this case, it
would simply be it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
It's usually three years with coordinators in two years with
position coaches.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Right, yeah, I think so, And so this will give
him an out because because his contract expires. So yeah,
but that said, and I'm just a point because remember
we saw from in the Seahawks game where they kind
of abandoned their twelve and thirteen personnel. They've brought it

(01:03:32):
right back. They put Michael Carter in the lineup and
they brought twelve and thirteen personnel right back. Now, in fairness,
the offense looked better in the first half, But what
is I don't get it. What is so hard about
featuring your best players? Why can't they feature Mark Why

(01:03:54):
can't they feature McBride rather than just being they make
plays when they're called upon and because they're good, But
they're not featuring them in any way except for McBride
a little bit of those tightened screens which are fun
to watch. This was still one They ran the singing
plan they would with James Connor, but they just did
it with Michael Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
And that's what's interesting to me more than anything is
like is is who does that come from? I mean,
that's genuinely the question we have to ask. So is
it a Drew Petsying thing or is it a Jonathan

(01:04:39):
Gann And this is how I want the game script run.
And so if if it is a pets Ing thing,
like you said that, the the reality is eventually they
have to just move on. They can't continue to go
this way. If it's if it's a gammon thing, does

(01:05:06):
it matter.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
It probably doesn't matter who you got. Like the notion
that they say, now I know they're saying in this
hide sight, but on that third and eight when they
run the ball to get it down to the two
million warning, you know that that sucks. But the fact
that they say they didn't like the call, they didn't
like the call, they didn't like the call, why did
it happen? No, they're saying that after the fact. They're

(01:05:31):
having hindsight regret. But we were we were talking about earlier.
I think it was before the show. These guys talk
like they believe in Kyler Merley as a quarterback, but
they were purposely shackling him. And Kyler's doing what he's coached.
That's why they he has met like since he since

(01:05:52):
he took over after his injury. He is performing and
operating the offense exactly the way he's coached to do it.
He's being very coachable, which we have to remind people
that that was one of the criticisms that he wasn't coachable,
that he was going off script, he was trying to

(01:06:13):
stray from what Cliff did or that he thought he
could do better than Cliff. He is being he's doing
what he's asked. But they talk like they believe in Kyler.
But if they believe in Kyler, why are they not
unleashing him? Okay, do this, do this, and then if

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he doesn't do it, guess what. You have your answer.
You have your answer, and you can move on from
him because you'll know because right now in these games,
we're saying, ever again, they're looking at kylor snth problem,
kylsnth problem. Kyler hasn't been the solution. But the fact
that he couldn't check out of him play that he

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can check out of someplace. He couldn't check out that
play that was the third and eight play. You couldn't
that was not on the table for them. And that's weird.
What's your is it that they are? Do they worry
that Kyler is gonna lose them games because they know

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what he can do, but they also worry about the risk.
Is you think that that's it that they don't trust
Kyler to make plays every time?

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah? And that's just what it sounds like, right is
like they don't see, they.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Don't and they're gonna lose Kyler here, they're gonna lose
him like clifted. It's I think it's getting close.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Well, you saw it in the game, right, Like there
are a couple plays obviously the snap, but there are
a couple of plays where they get inside, they get
they get into a rhythm and then you have a
false start or they come out after the team scores,
and immediately the first play they get, he gets sacked

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and like no, hope sacked right like like that that
fourth quarter sacked by Jeff Simmons was like you're like, guys,
I know he's great, Don't get me wrong, He's fantastic.
Would be immediately the best defensive lineman the Cardinals have
had since young kalay Is Campbell, right, but block him,

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like just just you know one second. Maybe I don't know,
but and so you see the frustration on that because
then it sets them up in second and twenty and
and you you see the frustration and that because it's
almost like it's defeated right away because the players know,
like unless an individual makes a play, we're not going

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to get the opportunity to get the first in because
it's going to be conservative play calls. And that's and
That's what the problem is. Is like it's this play
not to lose crap, and it just it's not the
way that good teams function. And and you know, we
can have that discussion all day if this is a

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good team or not, but playing scared to lose is
is just a terrible, terrible thing. And that's it. And
that goes back to what you and I talked about.
If it's Petsing, then the problem can be fixed. If
it's Ganning, then I mean Petsing can get the boot.

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It's not gonna matter.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
Though, Nope. And if it's kind and if it's a
combination of that plus Kyler, you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Know, I don't know, but you know, well, and then
that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Either this coaching staff, would they keep Kyler?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
You would think not?

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Yeah, And so we would just have to watch Kyler,
which honestly, I'm ready for Kyler. Doesn't We don't just Kyler.
We don't deserve Kyler. And he's going to go somewhere,
get coached up, and he's gonna look like Sam Darnold
and Baker Mayfield. That's what's gonna go happen. And I'll
be here for it as long as not for like
a team I dislike. But even then maybe maybe I'll

(01:10:15):
be happy. I'm about done. I'm about done Now. Will
I actually give up the car?

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
I won't. I won't, But do have I have? I
lost hope more or less because next week they play
an incredibly good Colts team. Who would have thought this
is Yeah? We'll talk about that later this week. So
with that, we will wrap at this edition the rest
of here podcasts Our Cardinals Talking moll Set. Then I

(01:10:43):
will definitely be back to preview with Colts. I'm still
working on nailing down a guest or an opponent. Paul
Brettle can't do it this week from the Colts Wire,
looking at a couple of the possibilities, one of the
guys who does the Lockdown Colts podcast, maybe something else.
Trying to nail it down. But we've got at least
one more show this week where we'll talk about Cardinals

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Colts and it feels like they're gonna get They're gonna
get smoked this weekend. I hope that's not the case,
but it feels like it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
It it does.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
With that, we'll wrap up this red this edition of
the show that seth Cox. I'm just true. Thanks for listening.
As always, we'll be back again soon.

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