September 19, 2025 • 53 mins
The Cardinals face the 49ers on the road in Week 3. Jess and Seth preview the matchup, looking at what the Niners have done so far this season, talk about the keys and important matchups and make predictions. They also give you some good prop bets to make.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hell Lorazona Cardinals fans, and welcome to the latest edition
of the Rise Ups Here at podcast, the best start
of Cardinals Talk on the web. I'm your host Jess
Root from cardswire dot com, the USA Today NFL wire
site that covers, of course, your Arizona Cardinals. With me
for episode six hundred and ninety nine just one shortest
seven hundred is Seth Cox from Revenge of the Birds
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dot com xp nations Arizona Cardinals site, and we are
here to preview the Cardinals Week three matchup against the
San Francisco forty nine Ers. The first game, you know
is that this is kind of like the first game.
This is the first real test, like the Cardinals are
supposed to be too and zero. And ultimately they won
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both their games. They beat the New Orleans Saints, they
beat the Carolina Panthers. Both games they never really were
in doubt, but they made them interesting and I ultimately
came down to the last minute, but the Cardinals were
never it never felt like they were not in control
of the game. It's just that that on side kick,
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that that that the Panthers recovered made things super interesting.
But this game, this game, this this is the first
time you're like, Okay, now we get to see what
the Cardinals are and.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That's kind of, you know, what we've been waiting for.
And the question we've had is, you know, have they
been kind of holding back? Have they used the first
two games as a pseudo preseason to get things going?
You know, we talked on Tuesday about how efficient the
passing game has been. It's it's it's efficient in the
sense that it's it's you know, they're able to achieve
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what they want to achieve. It's it's low impact though.
I think that's the best way to put it, right,
because it's low volume. I was I was reading some
stat today about the amount of like throws and things
like that, and it's like, the Cardinals have just such
a low volume of throws this season that's hard to
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even get a gauge on. And so you know, this
week we assume and obviously we'll never know, but we
assume that they will get going right like that, they'll
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that they'll have to show kind of not everything. You
don't show everything in game three, but they'll they'll show
more of who they are and what we have expected.
But that's assuming.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Wait, we're kind of hope it is like they are
holding back because it looks like like, what are they
Why are they holding back?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
If that's the case, right, and so, but you know,
at the same time, there's always the chance that they
come out and they play well and they just kind
of beat up on San Francisco. I'm not saying this
is going to happen, but that it could happen. And
then you look at it and you go, Okay, I
guess we still don't know if they're good or not
because we'll see so, you know, it's just that interesting
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aspect of it. And I found the chart I was
talking about Hayden Winks Fantasy Underdog or whatever. It's interesting
you look at the Cardinals and they're near the bottom
of offensive place per game, but they're the third slowest
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team in getting plays off and so like that explains
a lot about their offense. Right They're like, oh, whatever,
we're not in any hurry whatsoever. But we'll see what happens,
you know, eventually, and how they go this week against
the other two and oh team in the division.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, and so let's let's take a look at the
San Francisco forty nine ers in the first two games,
because they've been a bess that. I think the forty
nine ers are very much in the same category as
the Cardinals. We don't know much about them for different reasons,
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for different reasons, because they had they had the game
against the Seahawks, they had a game against the Saints.
But they've got so many guys injured because they had
Brock Perry get hurt, they had George Kittle get hurt.
Jowan Jennings has been banged up. They don't have Brandon
Auk yet, they lost one of their offensive linemen, and
Ben bartch And and Mac Jones came in and played
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really well.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And so far through two.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Games in moving the ball has it's been a real problem.
And their defense has been you know, their their defense
against Seattle was really good.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Spencer Rattler looked really good against them.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It through three three touchdown passes against him that I'm
still not quite sure what to make of them. But
I just feel like they are formidable, is what I'm
I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, and excuse me, mywergy just killing me. You know,
it's one of those situations that it seems like, and
I'm sure you feel similar, but man, it sure seems
like when you put Kyle Shanahan in a hole, he's like,
all right, let me show you how I can really coach, right,
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Like like that's all of a sudden when he becomes
one of those top guys in the league. And and
so you know, I'm interested to see how this week
goes because Shanahan's been obviously a massive thorn in the
side of the Cardinals for a long time. You know,
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he's he's he doesn't own them in the same way
like McVeigh owns them, right, But but it seems to
be like it seems to be one of those back
and forth kind of rivalries, if you will, that there
are times when the Cardinals have the Niners number and
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then the Niners have the Cardinals number. So you know,
are we in that that season of it's the Niners
turn or will we get this this Cardinals team that
you know, kind of owned San Francisco last year, even
before they were bad, right like, they were still the
team to beat. And and so we'll see how that
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all works out this week, because man, the weakness of
the Niners last year was their defense and then getting
Robert Solid back, you know, really putting emphasis on that
defense This year has really through two games, like you said,
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kind of started to pay dividends. And so we'll see
what they have because they look closer to the Super
Bowl defensive units than they do the bad defense that
was out gunned last year for the Niners.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And we look at so far.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You had one game with Brock Purty offensively, he turned
the ball over twice, but that offense, that offense does
pretty well with him. Mac Jones looked incredibly efficient and
I saw someone maybe it was just joking, but mac
Jones looks fantastic. Is Is that system just super easy
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for quarterbacks? I'd say that except for because like Shanahan
has made guys like Nick Mullens look good and Brian
Bithard look decent, but it was only Jimmy Garoppolo and
Rock Party that he's one with. So while other guys
have looked good for a game or two, the only
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time he's won significantly, was with Garoppolo and then the
the early parts like rock Party until last year.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, and and you know, I was talking to my
buddy who's a huge Niners fan about this, and and
you know, his philosophy or his belief has always been
they shouldn't have paid Party. But they kind of had
to write like.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
The and the truth is they believe in him, Like
he's like, how can you not like it would be
weird to do what he's done, And they're like, nahr
is what.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Are you gonna do instead?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But to your point, like what you know, whether it's
s Garoppolo, whether it's Party, like you know, are those
guys benefactors of an elite system as opposed to elite
quarterbacks that elevate the system? You know, So those are
the questions that come up and things of that nature.
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But yeah, I mean in the first week, you you
talked about it, man, this is a this is a group.
This was a game where you saw maybe a little
too much emphasis from Party or or want to from Party,
if you will. And then this week they just looked better,
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They looked smoother, they looked and again level of competition, right,
I mean the Seahawks are clearly a superior team to
the Saints. I don't think anybody is really gonna question that.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But the thing that that's something to keep an eye
on in this one specifically, is can the Cardinals continue
to be a good run defense. That's something I think
that we all agree is has been great to see
the first couple of weeks. But again you go and
it's New Orleans and it's Carolina and they got out
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to a big lead.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And well, we've.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Already said, We've always said for years, what is the
best run defense is a good offense, right, And so
if you if you can get out to a lead,
and we said, we said back in twenty twenty one,
then that the Cardinals when they were humming offensively, they
were built to dominate defensively, but if they were in
close games and teams could run the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
They were susceptible.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
We will see, we will see if how that goes,
because obviously they have a better group upfront this year.
Uh Baron brownings look good, calls has been is fantastic
against the run. Josh Sweat uh is good against the run.
You add Kalaias Campbell, who is really great at everything
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he does in his role Dalvin Tomlinson. And then if
you can get and Dante Stills, like if you look
at if you saw that graphic out there on on
Twitter that Dante Stills has been absolutely dominant against the
run and on the other side, Darius Robinson has been
dominant at anything.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I was gonna say, did we crop that yet?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We just not show that quadrant because yeah, and one
and the truth is is both Dante Stills and Khalaius
Campbell show up really well on that that run that
run win rate and pass rush win rate on both
of those, that's it's good to see. But Darius Robinson,
which is like zero and zero, he.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Is he is the antithesis of not good right now
on so.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Get which you a question, No, we're talking about the
forty nine ers. Are you a little worried that he
is tury into an early LJ. Collier?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean that's the that's the concern whenever stuff
like this happens, right And you know, our buddy Johnny
talked about it quite a bit with us personally, and
then he's kind of vented about it, and there is
definitely a reason for concern. But it's also eight games
into the poor kids career, right, like, we gotta we
gotta take some of it with a grain of salt
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and understand rookie struggles. And I've you know, lamented the
fact that especially defensive lineman types, it's it's year two
typically before they're you know, they're really that good, and
people might go, well, this is year two. It's it's
it's game eight, so it's like halfway through season one
at most, and and you know, I know it's not
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a new system, but it's definitely a new set of
players and teammates right around him. Where now his role
and we don't know right, but now his role might
have changed to where it's like, hey, we don't need
to be this guy, so now go back to being
this guy. And that just you know, that causes that
causes issues for guys, and so I think it's very
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realistic to be concerned, but I think it's also you know,
fair to continue to be like, hey, let's see how
this guy does, because you know, it's still early. If
we're just going off games played, it's still early going
off snaps played, you know, you know, and and now
you're doing it and kind of a newer with a
newer team around you in a newer or different role,
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and you know, we'll see how that kind of goes.
But yeah, I think I think to not be would
just be too want to bury your head in the sand.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's it's what's interesting and flashes, Yet there's not That's
the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's not even flashes.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well, And that's what's so interesting to me, Jess is
you know the same group of fans that is ready
to skewer Marvin Harrison Junior or Kyler Murray or Drew
pettsing depending on you know, your philosophical bent is like, hey,
don't worries you know, Jarius Robinson's fine. It's like wait, wait, wait,
what like wait, so this doesn't matter, but that a
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guy that's producing at you know, slightly above league average
is bad. But a guy that's literally grading out at
this moment as unequivocally the worst defensive lineman in the
NFL is not something to be concerned about. So it's
just it's funny how people kind of hick and shoes
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what matters to them. You know, For me, I don't
worry about any of it because I can turn the
TV off and go about my day and not worry
about it, and then it gives us fodder to write about.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And where is Robinson a bust?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And then I just which, by the way, has been
other than really Eric Swan. Every first round defensive lineman
the Cardinals have ever drafted has busted at least since
coming Arizona except for Eric Swan.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, And so we'll see if it continues or you know,
if he's in the right hands now between you know,
the new d Lion coach whose name I still am
not going to try to pronounce, that's what he goes by,
coach Debo or you know, and having you know, greats
like he's like like Calais, like Dalvin Tomlinson, those guys
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around him. By the way, the other thing, I think
we should acknowledge it, and we kind of we mentioned it, right,
but LJ. Collier, man, this guy disappointing for him. I mean,
you know, obviously we know what kind of player he is.
He's a he's a nice rot like back in rotational guy.
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Like you know, if he's your fifth or sixty lineman,
you're in a really really good spot in the defensive
line room. But this poor guy, I mean just cannot
stay healthy for the life of him, and.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
The crazy hole that's in his whole career, that's spent
his whole career right, And the.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Craziest thing is it's always like something different. It's not.
It's not just like, oh here another ankle, another knee,
another you know, it's something different all the time, and
you're just like, holy cow, this poor guy. But yeah,
I mean, we're here to talk about the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So getting back to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So far, the guys who have produced Ricky piersall had
a big game, Joan Jennings had a big game, had
a solid game last game. But the offense is running
one through Christian McCaffrey, who through two games has fifty touches,
which leads to the NFL, but he has not been
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efficient as he's got no touchdowns for two games and
a haltreet three point five yards per carry thus far,
and that it's going to this offense will continue to
go through him because he is their best offensive player.
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He does so much and has so much ability and
he's so versatile that you can do that. But I mean,
that's one thing that we can look at and say, Okay,
mccaffery's healthy, but he's not great, and so maybe this
offense isn't as good. The fact of the matter, they
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scored only seventeen points against against the Seahawks. Now, granted,
they turned the ball over twice and had nearly four
hundred yards of offense in that game, but they only
scored seventeen points and they put up twenty six. But
they've turned the ball over in both games. They turned
the ball over twice party through two interceptions, and they
turned off the ball over once again against the Saints
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as well. So it still goes to McCaffrey. They low
key they don't have the elite pass catching skills of
a tight end. But Luke Ferrell's not a bad tight
end like Luke Ferrell's like having Elijah Higgins, and so
he's a fine player. He just isn't the elite player
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of Kittles. It would be the kind of the same
cases if Trey McBride were out. You can still get
production and there's still a threat, but it's it's not
quite the same. Interestingly enough, the forty nine ers have
exactly zero rushing touchdowns so far this year.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, and you look at it. I mean you mentioned it.
McCaffrey's still the guy right just under two hundred and
fifty yards from scrimmage and his two games you mentioned it,
fifty touches already on the season, So I mean, this
dude is the league in touches, shocking right on pace
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for over twenty one hundred yards from scrimmage. But like
you said, it's it's more as a receiver at this
point than it is a running back. I mean, again,
at three point five yards per carry, when you get
thirty five carries, it's gonna the bulk numbers aren't gonna
look bad. But you know, he has more receiving yards
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than rushing yards at this point now by one. It's
not like we're talking about huge. But you know, some
slight differences in the quarterbacks you mentioned it. You know,
Party through for seventy seven two touchdowns, two interceptions. Mac
Jones threw for two seventy nine three touchdowns, no interceptions. Yeah,
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mac Jones was sacked three times, rock Party was only
sacked once. Mac Jones had a sub sixty seven percent
completion percentage. Rock Party was over seventy four percent. So
you're getting similar numbers just going about it. In different ways,
right Like, Party's gonna Party's gonna put the ball up
in the air. He's gonna trust these guys to go
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make plays, and he's gonna throw some bad picks. Mac
Jones is gonna take a sack instead, and so those
are those are things. You know. You mentioned Piersoll had
the big game one, came back fifty six yards, so
I would say a good game two. I mean, not
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a big game, but a good game too. Greg Pongus
is the guy that they're kind of, you know. He
he got four catches for thirty one yards in that
second game. They still have Kyle Yushchek, who somehow a
Cardinals killer even at thirty four. I'm gonna still worry
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about us check, you know. But he only had one
catch for five yards last game. He had two for
thirty to the game before, right, Like, that's more what
we expect from you, Schek against the Cardinals. What's really
interesting is that the rushing offense or the Niners is
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virtually the same no matter if it's McCaffrey or Brian Robinson,
which is not what you would expect from a Kyle
Shanahan team in any way, shape or form. So you
know that kind of begs the question is is it
the O line?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is it the scheme? Like what's happening? And you look
at it. Obviously they still have maybe the elite of
the elite in in Trent Williams you mentioned, you know,
Ben Barsch's is out. The other thing is I think
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it the other guard is out. Spencer Buford right, like
he's hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He's hurt, but I think he might be on track
for playing this maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, he did not practice today either, so he has
not pastored all week. It doesn't mean anything, but he
has not practiced. I mean, Jean Jennings hasn't practiced all week. Uh,
you know, so we'll see, you know, as those guys
get in there. But yeah, I mean it's just you
look at it there they're run blocking has not been
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what you're accustomed to seeing for Al Shanahan coach teams.
I mean, you have Trent Williams, who's still one of
the premiere, if not the premiere tackle in the game.
But after that, it's been kind of a a hodgepodge
of guys. You know, Jake Brindle's the center, he had
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a he had a pretty decent game against New Orleans,
kind of was semi struggled against against the Seahawks. Right,
we mentioned BArch, I don't think, I mean, are they
gonna miss him, don't? I don't know. Uh, Colton mckivitz
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is kind of the same guy as he's always been.
You know, he's he's gonna be better in past protection
than the rung game. The guy that I've been interested
in in kind of following because you know, obviously the
Cardinals took a guard right before him and Isaiah Adams,
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but Dominic Pooney after what can only be described as
as a nearly elite rookie season, Yeah, he's been terrible,
like terrible in the run game.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Like so, like you mentioned, and that that's kind of
trending that way in the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Right, and so those things, you know, are are the
ones that that you look at and you you go, okay,
so we'll see, man, I mean, this is a this
is I mean, if they're starting Connor Colby, right because obviously,
uh you mentioned BArch and then Buford right there, they're
normal guys that would would play that guard position, that's
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a win for the Cardinals that I mean, that's a,
that's a seventh round rookie trying to block Celis and
and Dalvin and maybe Darius maybe maybe Darius gets on
the board, right uh, and Dante stills like that's that's
a win for that for this group. So, you know,
that's something to watch as we head into this game
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because at the at the crux of everything, the Niners
do most of their best work off the running game. Now,
now they're throwing the ball well, but they do most
of their you know, most of their damage setting everything
up through the running game. And so to see them
come into the year and start the year, I mean,
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it's crazy to think, you know, they're they're twenty second
in yardage and twenty ninth in yards per attempt rushing
the ball. I mean, when we think of the Niners
and we think of the Cardinals the last several years,
we think, I don't want to say elite because maybe
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that's no. I mean we think elite rushing attacks, right,
I mean, think about the nine. Think about the Niners
last year, Jess without Christian McCaffrey for most of the season,
they still finished top twelve in rushing and seventh in
yards per attempt.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
What doesn't ever saying the matter, like whether it was
Jordan Mason, whether it was Isaac Grendo or Patrick, It's
just like they just plug in a run back and
he's going to get one hundred yards for game or
two before he gets hurt because they do flush through
running backs at a crazy rate in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You know. And then like you said, the year they
lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, I mean,
this was a top three rushing attack in the NFL.
And so so you look at those things and you
this is just not When when this game came out,
it was kind of like, Okay, we're going to watch
two teams that are just dominant at running the ball
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come out and run the ball and see who can
be better. And it's really like, well, I guess we're
going to see a Mac Jones led offense that's going
to try to run the ball a lot but probably
not going to have any success. And then we're going
to have a Kyler offense that is going to be
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you know, slow methodical. I mean through two games, what
we've seen slow methodical, boring. I mean, I've talked about
it that this is a boring offense to watch, but
it's boring and so yes, and so that's kind of
what you you look at for for all of this
is how that's going to go down, you know. And
I mentioned the matchups right like you look at this
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matchup historically, it's it's just kind of one of those things.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
That just back and forth.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Man, it does, and so you know, I really are
really coming into this game. I don't see where the
advantage is for either side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
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Speaker 4 (27:52):
Keys of the Game.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think I think come number one, it's it's don't
let Christian McCaffrey go crazy. He can he can have
a twenty carry. He could have an eighteen carry sixty
yard game and you're happy, or at eighteen carry seventy
five yard game. It's it's when you start getting like
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if you can keep him right at kind of but
right at one hundred scrimmage yards, then you're feeling like, okay,
but I think number one, you've got to make McCaffrey work,
like take away McCaffrey explosives. Basically, if you can just
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make him a workhorse, I think you've done half the work.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well and you mentioned it right, like, and what he's
averaging right now is kind of ideal. Right, if he's
got twenty five touches for one hundred and twenty hundred
and twenty five yards, you're like a good freaking game
against Christian McCaffrey. I mean, and people might go, well,
you got one hundred and twenty five yards from scrimman.
It's like, if this dude has eighteen carries for sixty
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five yards and seven catches you know, for sixty yards,
guess what that's a win. Like that is under ten
yards per reception, that's under four yards per carry. Both
of us would take that every day, you know, of
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the week, especially on Sundays, right Like that is that
is ideal because that's twenty five touches where this dude's
not making his normal I shouldn't say normal. What we've
come to expect impact. Maybe this is his normal now,
right Like maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Maybe that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Like before last year he had a special year, and
it is unfair to say, oh, he's going to rush
for two thousand yards ever sing No, but he has
been dynamic. He hasn't been dynamic yet. And if they
can avoid dynamic Christian Caffrey, that will help. I know
there's one thing that I'm super concerned about. It's the
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cornerback rotation. You know, no Garret Williams, no, Will Johnson likely,
and Max Milton is a big maybe. It's a big
maybe right now. So what we're looking at is a
starting lineup at cornerback of Denzel Burke, keetro Clark, and
Elijah Jones, with Darren Hall coming off the bench, three
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Nicol Jess.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Three of those names. I have heard fans tell us
for the last you know, year plus that those guys
deserve to make this roster and play. So I have
no concern about anything. I mean, we've been told Elijah Jones,
we've been told like they deserved, Like what are we
doing with Max Melton starting? Why? So? Why are we concerned?
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I mean they've told us forever. Then it's not a problem.
So I mean, realistically you look at it, there's there's
a couple of things to it. One first off, obviously,
not having to face George Kittle is a help, It's
an equalizer. And then what is I mean, what is
truly Juwan Jennings status?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Do we know? M I mean, he played last week,
so I'm I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
It's just so hard when I mean he literally is
not practice this week at all. And his diagnose or
is diagnosis you know, they say, you know, so will
Johnson growing right Like his diagnosis is ankle slash shoulder,
So not idea right like, not ideal to have both.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Though I will say we know that especially if they
are going they will work to protect those cornerbacks, which
means dink and dunk, lots of soft zone and just
don't get beat over the top. And they will try
and they'll try and do well against the run early
(31:59):
and so that. Oh, but I have a feeling this
is gonna be such a maddening game because they'll give
up long drives.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
But again, yeah, but it is like it kind of match.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
You kind of have a match because you have a
depleted receiving group with the forty nine ers against a
depleted cornerback group for the Cardinals, and while the Niners
put up twenty six points against the Saints, I feel
like this is gonna be another It's yeah, one more
thing to say.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
If the Cardinals finally click on offense, this is gonna
be a blowout.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But I get the feeling that the Cardinals are going
to play a lot of ugly games this year and
this is going to be one of them.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Defensively, we always have to watch Nick Bosa. He's got
fifteen tackles through two games, two sacks. They only have
four sacks through two games, and one of them is
on from a corner Upton stout. They got two sacks
from Bosa, but he's been game wreck ye ish this year.
(33:07):
They haven't gotten much from Michael Williams. Uh he was
banged up a little bit in the preseason. And they've
got good corners. Uh so far, Ronaldo Green's broken up
three passes in two games. They don't have any interceptions.
But I think we're gonna I think we want to
(33:28):
look at the Trey McBride, Fred Warner. However, they're going
to match up against that because we have seen traymac
bride have good, big games against the forty Niners. So
I guess if we're going to if we're gonna do
matchup player for player, then it's going to be Trey
McBride versus Fred Warner. Right, That's that's the one where
like if the that's that's the elite matchup for this game.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It really is. And and you look at it, that's
that's where everybody's gonna be looking. And and like we said,
that's what makes this a little more palatable for Cardinals fans.
You know you've got right now. Obviously we'll change, but
right now you're worried about Ricky parrisol and Christian McCaffrey.
(34:15):
If Juwan Jennings plays, it does stress you a little
more defensively. But not having George Kittle is such a massive,
massive loss for the Niners.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Just one of those things that it's really hard to
overstate how important he is. I mean, he is a
you know, a six time pro bowler, he's obviously all pro,
and quite frankly, he's you know, he's really really done
well against the Cardinals in his career and and you know,
(34:52):
played at a high level against them, and so we'll
see you know where this what this comes of. But
I don't, I mean, what's your I don't think Max
Meltain's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I would be I would be surprised. I think he's limited,
as in he's doing light work.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Right and so and so, like you said, it's gonna be.
There's two ways to go about it. One is you
create pressure and you make enforce mac Jones to get
the ball out quick and then let trust your defensive
backs to tackle and make plays. Or you rush for
you drop seven and you play those soft zones that
we've seen the last couple of weeks late in game
(35:33):
situations that have allowed teams to you know, methodically and
lethargically move the ball down the field where you're just like,
get off the field, please.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Make a plate, please, And so it's dank and dunk
and dank and duck and.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So yeah, I guess I if they can, and I
think it's gonna come to the turnovers and matter. But
they've got to make mac Jones. They can't. They can't
let mac Jones look like a starting quarterback. Okay, you
can't let mac Jones look like a starting quarterback in
this game.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Right, and that's you know, such a key to this
matchup is that the Cardinals have to come out and
they have to be they have to get on top
of things early, like you said, if and I'm not
saying it's gonna happen, so, but if the Cardinals come
out and they jump out to like, let's say, you know,
(36:30):
a twenty eight to ten lead in you know, in
the third quarter, I would expect, based on what we've
seen through the first two weeks, that they're gonna go
all right, you know, Nickel and dimas to death, run
(36:50):
seven minutes off the clock and we'll we'll just wait
for you to make a mistake or if you want
to be paid, then we'll we'll get the ball back
and take you know, five six minutes off the clock
in turn. You know, like you said, I don't know
if we'll see a foot on the gas type of
(37:15):
effort early or maybe at all from this group. I
don't because again we just don't know what to expect fully,
so we'll see how it goes. But you know, Ricky
Piersol versus the corners obviously a huge matchup. Christian McCaffrey
(37:35):
versus the linebacker is always a huge matchup, but I
think you can also get more safety help this time
because you don't have George Kittle, right, And so those
are those are some of the keys to the game,
if you will, but their keys to the game in
the sense that on paper right now, that's how we're
(37:57):
looking at him. Uh Juwan Jennings comes back it like again,
it stresses things out more. And then the biggest thing
that we've talked about is the porous run blocking from
the Arizona Cardinals. I mean, just across the board, Harris
has been borderline elite, you know, probably probably top five,
(38:24):
maybe top three in terms of that left tackle position
past blocking through the first two weeks, but all of
them have kind of sucked against the run or in
the run game. And you mentioned it right, Nick Bosas
playing with his hair on fire this year. You know,
(38:44):
the two sacks is kind of expected. I mean, a
seventeen sacks season would be really good, but nothing that
you know that Bosa hasn't had before. I mean, you're
talking about a guy with fifteen and a half and
eighteen and a half sacks in his career already in
singular seasons. But this is a dude that you know,
(39:08):
he's on pace for the most tackles for loss in
his career and he led the league in twenty twenty
one and tackles for loss. So that's what I'm kind
of looking at, is like the Cardinals is gonna be
able to run the ball in this game with the
way Bosa's playing against the run. I mean, that's that's
(39:34):
a legitimate question. And then of course they have the
you know, the elite of the elite linebacker and Fred Warner,
and so while it's kind of a broader thing, it's
it's the offensive line versus the forty nine ers elite
players in Fred Warner and Nick Bosa in the run game.
(39:58):
And he even mentioned it, Mikel Williams has done a
nice job in the run game and his short two
game career, that to me is going to be what
creates the winner loss for this game for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
With that, Covin and I said on the Rights of
Seriit podcast best our Cardinals talk on the way, Let's
move on to talk picks, predictions, and our favorite props
for this game that's coming to next onps you read
you're back on the rise of hereIt podcast Best R
Cardinals talk of the wead last segment of the show
where we make our picks, make our predictions and talk
about the prop bets. You know, if there's any doubt,
here's the thing. It doesn't look like there's any doubt
(40:39):
about Jawan Jennings because bet MGM has all sorts of
props for Jennings and so maybe they just see him
as a hey, they're gonna get them through the week.
And then because they don't even have quarterback props for them,
because there's with Rock Purty limited and I don't believe
for a second that party is going to play, not
for a second, and so I feel it's one going
(41:03):
to be Mac Jones. The initial report about Brocks about Perdy's.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Injury was two to five weeks.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This would be the second week, and there was even
some talk that maybe he could be active for be
the quarterback too.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
They're not going to do that. They're just they're not
going to do that.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Shana mentioned like, I guess he's limited, so I guess
there's a better chance than there's a chance that he'll play.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
And he was just he was It wasn't said with
any conviction.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well and it's just too early in the season. I mean,
at the end of the day, it's just too early
in the season. This isn't a desperation time. You're two
and all, you're tied for first place in the division. Yeah,
this is basically a two place game early in the season.
But you know, let's be honest, just neither of these
(41:50):
teams look like the class of the division right now.
So you're thinking to yourself, like, look, we're not on anyways.
The team that has through two weeks looked like the
best team in the division is not. That's not who
we're lining up against this week. H So you know
(42:12):
the Cardinals moving to three and oh that the Niners
moving to two and one may not matter right now.
And and so that's kind of how you look at
these things. If you're if you're the Niners, right and
you go, well, you probably don't want to risk a
serious long term injury for Rock parties, So let's let's
(42:34):
get him through, like you said, let's get him through here.
After this, think about this, you know, it's Jacksonville at home.
So you look at it and you go, okay, if
we can be three and one, And that's if you
lose to the Cardinals, Right, if we can be three
and one and we get party back for Thursday night
(42:56):
against the Los Angeles Rams, who at this moment look
like the best team in the division.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Oh my gosh, their defense has been so good. Yeah,
we're like, what over the last half season?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, exactly so so and again you might think like okay,
but you can't look okay, but listen, you look at
the Cardinals, and the Cardinals go three and oh. And
we know that the Cardinals kind of meet of their
schedules coming up, including this game, right, they got they
got a winnable game after that, or two winnable games
(43:31):
after that in Seattle or against Seattle, and then against
the Tennessee Titans. But then they go to the Indian
go to Indy, and Indy looks decent to good, and
then they host Green Bay. So there's a legitimate chance
that they're you know, they're three and oh, and then
(43:51):
you know Thursday night Seattle games are that's one thousand
every season, a toss up every season. And then and
then you've got a Tennessee game where they're frisky, probably
a win for Arizona, but they're a frisky team. And
then you got two rough games for the Cardinals, So
so you could be like, okay, they're three and oh,
(44:13):
and then right before the bye week they're four and three.
You know, maybe at best five and two. Whereas the Niners,
you know, you get like I said, you get Jacksonville
next week. Then you have that Thursday night matchup against
the Rams. That's the game that you look at and
you go, okay, if he is eighty percent eighty five percent,
(44:37):
we got to have him that game. We're three and one.
But this is the game that could matter. But they
could also look at that and go, okay, we're three
and one. We're gonna throw, and throw as a strong word,
but we're gonna we're gonna look at this game as
a toss up because it's it gets us to three
and two. And then we have a ten day break.
(45:00):
We played Tampa. Now Tampa is good, don't get me wrong,
But we played Tampa. Now we go from three and
two to four and two, and we feel good about
where we're at our schedule heading into that next stretch.
So these are all the things that have to be
taken into account. So you know that I mean to
me just like you said, we're not gonna get props
(45:23):
until they announced the starters for the for the Niners. Well,
obviously like McCaffrey, like you said, McCaffrey's up there. They
do have Jowan Jennings numbers up. They don't have Ricky
Pearsol's up. Putch is in.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's the weird one. That's weird one.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
But they maybe somebody put in the wrong thing right,
That would be funny.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
How about predictions? How do you see this game going down?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
The line is moved to two and a half in
favor of the Niners, who was one and a half.
They were one and a half per point favorites when
they opened the week, and now it's moved up to
two and a half.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
H do you see? Do you see a Cardinals win
this week?
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Man, it's just so tough with how unknown everything is
for both sides. I'll say this, I prefer to the
Cardinals to be the underdog in this game, and I'm
taking the under I don't think this is going to
be a shootout. I think this is going to be,
(46:23):
like you said, a methodical, slow paced, slow action type
of game. The I mean, the money is on the Niners,
but it's not crazy, right, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's it's it's fifty six on VENOMGM. It's fifty six
percent of both money line and spread bets are on
the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Ers, So it's not a large amount. It's not a
large difference.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
The crazier one to me is that sixty five percent
around the overcad. I know I would not I mean,
I know I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Now I'm gonna say that it's going to be a
twenty three twenty game. I'm going to predict a Cardinals
twenty three to twenty win. It's gonna be field goals,
and that that's going to lead to the prop that
I've got there to lead because you've got plus odds
for both kickers for over one and a half field goals,
So twenty three to twenty Cardinals win. Maybe it's a
(47:23):
late field goal that does the difference, but the Cardinals
cover and win, the total goes under. And then the
first prop is with what we always do because we
always do this, and we look at prayer props. The
first thing we look at of the kickers, and you
can get over one and a half field goals for
both Chad Ryland, Andy Panero at plus one oh five.
(47:43):
I think that's a that's a go to bet every
single time.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, and I'm with you on that one again. Fando
doesn't have any really player props at this point, but
I do like a couple things. The first thing I
do like is, uh, I like the Harrison Junior over
forty nine receiving yard or over forty six and a
(48:08):
half receiving yards. It's just been such a conversation at
this point, right like, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Will they will they will they finally do something? To
finally do something. Honestly, Tyler's response, you know, saying, hey,
there's only one football and there's ten guys need the ball.
Sometimes you get a ten target, sometimes you get three.
That's that's the right answer. And then Marv my favorite
thing is like, why are we even talking about this?
(48:36):
We're two and zero?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, Well, but to be fair, that's also the right response.
The other one that I really like is is McCaffrey's
over thirty six. Yes, he's averaging sixty two and a half.
I don't see any all lines yet for that.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I've got that's seventy five plus you get even money.
I think that's that's an easy one. Go over sixty
eight and a half and then take it to seventy
five plus.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
I think that's an easy bet for him.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
And so you know those are those are interesting ones.
McBride's the one I stay away from this week. I
know he's averaging seventy yards a game, I know it.
But Fred Warner is literally the best coverage linebacker in
the NFL still is to this day. I'm just true,
I'm not and I'm not saying that he shouldn't have
(49:30):
a good game. I'm just saying, like there's a better
chance of him not getting that high up right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I like Kyler this week for his rushing yards. I
know the Robert Saalazi they're gonna have little mouse traps
for him, which you know that's funny because he's little,
and but I like over twenty eight and a half
and I'd even ladder that to fifty plus. Kyler's good
for a big run against the forty nine ers, and
(50:00):
especially since you can get at fifty plus at plus
three seventy five, so you will get the really big
potential payoff for that. Other than that, like I like
like for the receiving props, there's not that I don't
have any actual receptions, and I like that a little
bit more. If Jennings, If Jennings is there, the Jennings
(50:20):
careful because you don't wanna you don't wanna bet Jennings
and have him not play. Although, oh, here's another one.
I think this one is easy. James Connor. Oh, I
know they don't have our receiving proper for Trey Benson
because that seems to be because he's in.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
That third down role.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna get lots of catchup, but
there's nothing there for him. Yeah, nothing else that really
stands out.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
And you know, maybe later and.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Just so early with what's happening here right like this,
this group, with the unknown, with with Purdy, it just
makes it really difficult to feel like you're gonna you're
you're gonna get those numbers. The one thing I do
want to say is passing touchdowns. I know we talked
(51:15):
about this being and I'm gonna go twenty four to
twenty one niners. I don't know. It's a coin flip
to me, it really is. But the Murray over one
and a half passing touchdowns, I do like that one
as well so you know, there's some there's some interesting
ones available right now. It's just not as I mean,
it's it's kind of it's kind of paltry right now
(51:39):
compared to you know, the other games where we know
what's happening.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, and and so I will have a show, one
more show this week with with sets Guy, Niners, Nations.
Kyle Posey will join me on the show, I believe
tomorrow's We'll get one more show this week before the
Cardinals and forty nine ers play. But with that we'll
go ahead and wrap up this edition to as we've
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(52:06):
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dot com xp nations Arizona Cardinals site, and we are
here to preview the Cardinals Week three matchup against the
San Francisco forty nine Ers. The first game, you know
is that this is kind of like the first game.
This is the first real test, like the Cardinals are
supposed to be too and zero. And ultimately they won
(01:12):
both their games. They beat the New Orleans Saints, they
beat the Carolina Panthers. Both games they never really were
in doubt, but they made them interesting and I ultimately
came down to the last minute, but the Cardinals were
never it never felt like they were not in control
of the game. It's just that that on side kick,
(01:32):
that that that the Panthers recovered made things super interesting.
But this game, this game, this this is the first
time you're like, Okay, now we get to see what
the Cardinals are and.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That's kind of, you know, what we've been waiting for.
And the question we've had is, you know, have they
been kind of holding back? Have they used the first
two games as a pseudo preseason to get things going?
You know, we talked on Tuesday about how efficient the
passing game has been. It's it's it's efficient in the
sense that it's it's you know, they're able to achieve
(02:05):
what they want to achieve. It's it's low impact though.
I think that's the best way to put it, right,
because it's low volume. I was I was reading some
stat today about the amount of like throws and things
like that, and it's like, the Cardinals have just such
a low volume of throws this season that's hard to
(02:27):
even get a gauge on. And so you know, this
week we assume and obviously we'll never know, but we
assume that they will get going right like that, they'll
(02:48):
that they'll have to show kind of not everything. You
don't show everything in game three, but they'll they'll show
more of who they are and what we have expected.
But that's assuming.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Wait, we're kind of hope it is like they are
holding back because it looks like like, what are they
Why are they holding back?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
If that's the case, right, and so, but you know,
at the same time, there's always the chance that they
come out and they play well and they just kind
of beat up on San Francisco. I'm not saying this
is going to happen, but that it could happen. And
then you look at it and you go, Okay, I
guess we still don't know if they're good or not
because we'll see so, you know, it's just that interesting
(03:28):
aspect of it. And I found the chart I was
talking about Hayden Winks Fantasy Underdog or whatever. It's interesting
you look at the Cardinals and they're near the bottom
of offensive place per game, but they're the third slowest
(03:50):
team in getting plays off and so like that explains
a lot about their offense. Right They're like, oh, whatever,
we're not in any hurry whatsoever. But we'll see what happens,
you know, eventually, and how they go this week against
the other two and oh team in the division.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, and so let's let's take a look at the
San Francisco forty nine ers in the first two games,
because they've been a bess that. I think the forty
nine ers are very much in the same category as
the Cardinals. We don't know much about them for different reasons,
(04:33):
for different reasons, because they had they had the game
against the Seahawks, they had a game against the Saints.
But they've got so many guys injured because they had
Brock Perry get hurt, they had George Kittle get hurt.
Jowan Jennings has been banged up. They don't have Brandon
Auk yet, they lost one of their offensive linemen, and
Ben bartch And and Mac Jones came in and played
(04:54):
really well.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And so far through two.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Games in moving the ball has it's been a real problem.
And their defense has been you know, their their defense
against Seattle was really good.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Spencer Rattler looked really good against them.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It through three three touchdown passes against him that I'm
still not quite sure what to make of them. But
I just feel like they are formidable, is what I'm
I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, and excuse me, mywergy just killing me. You know,
it's one of those situations that it seems like, and
I'm sure you feel similar, but man, it sure seems
like when you put Kyle Shanahan in a hole, he's like,
all right, let me show you how I can really coach, right,
(05:45):
Like like that's all of a sudden when he becomes
one of those top guys in the league. And and
so you know, I'm interested to see how this week
goes because Shanahan's been obviously a massive thorn in the
side of the Cardinals for a long time. You know,
(06:06):
he's he's he doesn't own them in the same way
like McVeigh owns them, right, But but it seems to
be like it seems to be one of those back
and forth kind of rivalries, if you will, that there
are times when the Cardinals have the Niners number and
(06:30):
then the Niners have the Cardinals number. So you know,
are we in that that season of it's the Niners
turn or will we get this this Cardinals team that
you know, kind of owned San Francisco last year, even
before they were bad, right like, they were still the
team to beat. And and so we'll see how that
(06:51):
all works out this week, because man, the weakness of
the Niners last year was their defense and then getting
Robert Solid back, you know, really putting emphasis on that
defense This year has really through two games, like you said,
(07:11):
kind of started to pay dividends. And so we'll see
what they have because they look closer to the Super
Bowl defensive units than they do the bad defense that
was out gunned last year for the Niners.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
And we look at so far.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You had one game with Brock Purty offensively, he turned
the ball over twice, but that offense, that offense does
pretty well with him. Mac Jones looked incredibly efficient and
I saw someone maybe it was just joking, but mac
Jones looks fantastic. Is Is that system just super easy
(07:58):
for quarterbacks? I'd say that except for because like Shanahan
has made guys like Nick Mullens look good and Brian
Bithard look decent, but it was only Jimmy Garoppolo and
Rock Party that he's one with. So while other guys
have looked good for a game or two, the only
(08:21):
time he's won significantly, was with Garoppolo and then the
the early parts like rock Party until last year.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, and and you know, I was talking to my
buddy who's a huge Niners fan about this, and and
you know, his philosophy or his belief has always been
they shouldn't have paid Party. But they kind of had
to write like.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
The and the truth is they believe in him, Like
he's like, how can you not like it would be
weird to do what he's done, And they're like, nahr
is what.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Are you gonna do instead?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But to your point, like what you know, whether it's
s Garoppolo, whether it's Party, like you know, are those
guys benefactors of an elite system as opposed to elite
quarterbacks that elevate the system? You know, So those are
the questions that come up and things of that nature.
(09:18):
But yeah, I mean in the first week, you you
talked about it, man, this is a this is a group.
This was a game where you saw maybe a little
too much emphasis from Party or or want to from Party,
if you will. And then this week they just looked better,
(09:44):
They looked smoother, they looked and again level of competition, right,
I mean the Seahawks are clearly a superior team to
the Saints. I don't think anybody is really gonna question that.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But the thing that that's something to keep an eye
on in this one specifically, is can the Cardinals continue
to be a good run defense. That's something I think
that we all agree is has been great to see
the first couple of weeks. But again you go and
it's New Orleans and it's Carolina and they got out
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to a big lead.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
And well, we've.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Already said, We've always said for years, what is the
best run defense is a good offense, right, And so
if you if you can get out to a lead,
and we said, we said back in twenty twenty one,
then that the Cardinals when they were humming offensively, they
were built to dominate defensively, but if they were in
close games and teams could run the ball.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
They were susceptible.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
We will see, we will see if how that goes,
because obviously they have a better group upfront this year.
Uh Baron brownings look good, calls has been is fantastic
against the run. Josh Sweat uh is good against the run.
You add Kalaias Campbell, who is really great at everything
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he does in his role Dalvin Tomlinson. And then if
you can get and Dante Stills, like if you look
at if you saw that graphic out there on on
Twitter that Dante Stills has been absolutely dominant against the
run and on the other side, Darius Robinson has been
dominant at anything.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I was gonna say, did we crop that yet?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
We just not show that quadrant because yeah, and one
and the truth is is both Dante Stills and Khalaius
Campbell show up really well on that that run that
run win rate and pass rush win rate on both
of those, that's it's good to see. But Darius Robinson,
which is like zero and zero, he.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Is he is the antithesis of not good right now
on so.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Get which you a question, No, we're talking about the
forty nine ers. Are you a little worried that he
is tury into an early LJ. Collier?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean that's the that's the concern whenever stuff
like this happens, right And you know, our buddy Johnny
talked about it quite a bit with us personally, and
then he's kind of vented about it, and there is
definitely a reason for concern. But it's also eight games
into the poor kids career, right, like, we gotta we
gotta take some of it with a grain of salt
(12:29):
and understand rookie struggles. And I've you know, lamented the
fact that especially defensive lineman types, it's it's year two
typically before they're you know, they're really that good, and
people might go, well, this is year two. It's it's
it's game eight, so it's like halfway through season one
at most, and and you know, I know it's not
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a new system, but it's definitely a new set of
players and teammates right around him. Where now his role
and we don't know right, but now his role might
have changed to where it's like, hey, we don't need
to be this guy, so now go back to being
this guy. And that just you know, that causes that
causes issues for guys, and so I think it's very
(13:15):
realistic to be concerned, but I think it's also you know,
fair to continue to be like, hey, let's see how
this guy does, because you know, it's still early. If
we're just going off games played, it's still early going
off snaps played, you know, you know, and and now
you're doing it and kind of a newer with a
newer team around you in a newer or different role,
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and you know, we'll see how that kind of goes.
But yeah, I think I think to not be would
just be too want to bury your head in the sand.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
It's it's what's interesting and flashes, Yet there's not That's
the thing.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
It's not even flashes.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well, And that's what's so interesting to me, Jess is
you know the same group of fans that is ready
to skewer Marvin Harrison Junior or Kyler Murray or Drew
pettsing depending on you know, your philosophical bent is like, hey,
don't worries you know, Jarius Robinson's fine. It's like wait, wait, wait,
what like wait, so this doesn't matter, but that a
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guy that's producing at you know, slightly above league average
is bad. But a guy that's literally grading out at
this moment as unequivocally the worst defensive lineman in the
NFL is not something to be concerned about. So it's
just it's funny how people kind of hick and shoes
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what matters to them. You know, For me, I don't
worry about any of it because I can turn the
TV off and go about my day and not worry
about it, and then it gives us fodder to write about.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And where is Robinson a bust?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
And then I just which, by the way, has been
other than really Eric Swan. Every first round defensive lineman
the Cardinals have ever drafted has busted at least since
coming Arizona except for Eric Swan.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, And so we'll see if it continues or you know,
if he's in the right hands now between you know,
the new d Lion coach whose name I still am
not going to try to pronounce, that's what he goes by,
coach Debo or you know, and having you know, greats
like he's like like Calais, like Dalvin Tomlinson, those guys
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around him. By the way, the other thing, I think
we should acknowledge it, and we kind of we mentioned it, right,
but LJ. Collier, man, this guy disappointing for him. I mean,
you know, obviously we know what kind of player he is.
He's a he's a nice rot like back in rotational guy.
(15:59):
Like you know, if he's your fifth or sixty lineman,
you're in a really really good spot in the defensive
line room. But this poor guy, I mean just cannot
stay healthy for the life of him, and.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
The crazy hole that's in his whole career, that's spent
his whole career right, And the.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Craziest thing is it's always like something different. It's not.
It's not just like, oh here another ankle, another knee,
another you know, it's something different all the time, and
you're just like, holy cow, this poor guy. But yeah,
I mean, we're here to talk about the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
So getting back to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So far, the guys who have produced Ricky piersall had
a big game, Joan Jennings had a big game, had
a solid game last game. But the offense is running
one through Christian McCaffrey, who through two games has fifty touches,
which leads to the NFL, but he has not been
(16:54):
efficient as he's got no touchdowns for two games and
a haltreet three point five yards per carry thus far,
and that it's going to this offense will continue to
go through him because he is their best offensive player.
(17:17):
He does so much and has so much ability and
he's so versatile that you can do that. But I mean,
that's one thing that we can look at and say, Okay,
mccaffery's healthy, but he's not great, and so maybe this
offense isn't as good. The fact of the matter, they
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scored only seventeen points against against the Seahawks. Now, granted,
they turned the ball over twice and had nearly four
hundred yards of offense in that game, but they only
scored seventeen points and they put up twenty six. But
they've turned the ball over in both games. They turned
the ball over twice party through two interceptions, and they
turned off the ball over once again against the Saints
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as well. So it still goes to McCaffrey. They low
key they don't have the elite pass catching skills of
a tight end. But Luke Ferrell's not a bad tight
end like Luke Ferrell's like having Elijah Higgins, and so
he's a fine player. He just isn't the elite player
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of Kittles. It would be the kind of the same
cases if Trey McBride were out. You can still get
production and there's still a threat, but it's it's not
quite the same. Interestingly enough, the forty nine ers have
exactly zero rushing touchdowns so far this year.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, and you look at it. I mean you mentioned it.
McCaffrey's still the guy right just under two hundred and
fifty yards from scrimmage and his two games you mentioned it,
fifty touches already on the season, So I mean, this
dude is the league in touches, shocking right on pace
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for over twenty one hundred yards from scrimmage. But like
you said, it's it's more as a receiver at this
point than it is a running back. I mean, again,
at three point five yards per carry, when you get
thirty five carries, it's gonna the bulk numbers aren't gonna
look bad. But you know, he has more receiving yards
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than rushing yards at this point now by one. It's
not like we're talking about huge. But you know, some
slight differences in the quarterbacks you mentioned it. You know,
Party through for seventy seven two touchdowns, two interceptions. Mac
Jones threw for two seventy nine three touchdowns, no interceptions. Yeah,
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mac Jones was sacked three times, rock Party was only
sacked once. Mac Jones had a sub sixty seven percent
completion percentage. Rock Party was over seventy four percent. So
you're getting similar numbers just going about it. In different ways,
right Like, Party's gonna Party's gonna put the ball up
in the air. He's gonna trust these guys to go
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make plays, and he's gonna throw some bad picks. Mac
Jones is gonna take a sack instead, and so those
are those are things. You know. You mentioned Piersoll had
the big game one, came back fifty six yards, so
I would say a good game two. I mean, not
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a big game, but a good game too. Greg Pongus
is the guy that they're kind of, you know. He
he got four catches for thirty one yards in that
second game. They still have Kyle Yushchek, who somehow a
Cardinals killer even at thirty four. I'm gonna still worry
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about us check, you know. But he only had one
catch for five yards last game. He had two for
thirty to the game before, right, Like, that's more what
we expect from you, Schek against the Cardinals. What's really
interesting is that the rushing offense or the Niners is
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virtually the same no matter if it's McCaffrey or Brian Robinson,
which is not what you would expect from a Kyle
Shanahan team in any way, shape or form. So you
know that kind of begs the question is is it
the O line?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Is it the scheme? Like what's happening? And you look
at it. Obviously they still have maybe the elite of
the elite in in Trent Williams you mentioned, you know,
Ben Barsch's is out. The other thing is I think
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it the other guard is out. Spencer Buford right, like
he's hurt.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He's hurt, but I think he might be on track
for playing this maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, he did not practice today either, so he has
not pastored all week. It doesn't mean anything, but he
has not practiced. I mean, Jean Jennings hasn't practiced all week. Uh,
you know, so we'll see, you know, as those guys
get in there. But yeah, I mean it's just you
look at it there they're run blocking has not been
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what you're accustomed to seeing for Al Shanahan coach teams.
I mean, you have Trent Williams, who's still one of
the premiere, if not the premiere tackle in the game.
But after that, it's been kind of a a hodgepodge
of guys. You know, Jake Brindle's the center, he had
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a he had a pretty decent game against New Orleans,
kind of was semi struggled against against the Seahawks. Right,
we mentioned BArch, I don't think, I mean, are they
gonna miss him, don't? I don't know. Uh, Colton mckivitz
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is kind of the same guy as he's always been.
You know, he's he's gonna be better in past protection
than the rung game. The guy that I've been interested
in in kind of following because you know, obviously the
Cardinals took a guard right before him and Isaiah Adams,
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but Dominic Pooney after what can only be described as
as a nearly elite rookie season, Yeah, he's been terrible,
like terrible in the run game.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Like so, like you mentioned, and that that's kind of
trending that way in the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Right, and so those things, you know, are are the
ones that that you look at and you you go, okay,
so we'll see, man, I mean, this is a this
is I mean, if they're starting Connor Colby, right because obviously,
uh you mentioned BArch and then Buford right there, they're
normal guys that would would play that guard position, that's
(24:27):
a win for the Cardinals that I mean, that's a,
that's a seventh round rookie trying to block Celis and
and Dalvin and maybe Darius maybe maybe Darius gets on
the board, right uh, and Dante stills like that's that's
a win for that for this group. So, you know,
that's something to watch as we head into this game
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because at the at the crux of everything, the Niners
do most of their best work off the running game. Now,
now they're throwing the ball well, but they do most
of their you know, most of their damage setting everything
up through the running game. And so to see them
come into the year and start the year, I mean,
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it's crazy to think, you know, they're they're twenty second
in yardage and twenty ninth in yards per attempt rushing
the ball. I mean, when we think of the Niners
and we think of the Cardinals the last several years,
we think, I don't want to say elite because maybe
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that's no. I mean we think elite rushing attacks, right,
I mean, think about the nine. Think about the Niners
last year, Jess without Christian McCaffrey for most of the season,
they still finished top twelve in rushing and seventh in
yards per attempt.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
What doesn't ever saying the matter, like whether it was
Jordan Mason, whether it was Isaac Grendo or Patrick, It's
just like they just plug in a run back and
he's going to get one hundred yards for game or
two before he gets hurt because they do flush through
running backs at a crazy rate in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
You know. And then like you said, the year they
lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, I mean,
this was a top three rushing attack in the NFL.
And so so you look at those things and you
this is just not When when this game came out,
it was kind of like, Okay, we're going to watch
two teams that are just dominant at running the ball
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come out and run the ball and see who can
be better. And it's really like, well, I guess we're
going to see a Mac Jones led offense that's going
to try to run the ball a lot but probably
not going to have any success. And then we're going
to have a Kyler offense that is going to be
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you know, slow methodical. I mean through two games, what
we've seen slow methodical, boring. I mean, I've talked about
it that this is a boring offense to watch, but
it's boring and so yes, and so that's kind of
what you you look at for for all of this
is how that's going to go down, you know. And
I mentioned the matchups right like you look at this
(27:14):
matchup historically, it's it's just kind of one of those things.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
That just back and forth.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Man, it does, and so you know, I really are
really coming into this game. I don't see where the
advantage is for either side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
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Speaker 4 (27:52):
Keys of the Game.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I think I think come number one, it's it's don't
let Christian McCaffrey go crazy. He can he can have
a twenty carry. He could have an eighteen carry sixty
yard game and you're happy, or at eighteen carry seventy
five yard game. It's it's when you start getting like
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if you can keep him right at kind of but
right at one hundred scrimmage yards, then you're feeling like, okay,
but I think number one, you've got to make McCaffrey work,
like take away McCaffrey explosives. Basically, if you can just
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make him a workhorse, I think you've done half the work.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well and you mentioned it right, like, and what he's
averaging right now is kind of ideal. Right, if he's
got twenty five touches for one hundred and twenty hundred
and twenty five yards, you're like a good freaking game
against Christian McCaffrey. I mean, and people might go, well,
you got one hundred and twenty five yards from scrimman.
It's like, if this dude has eighteen carries for sixty
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five yards and seven catches you know, for sixty yards,
guess what that's a win. Like that is under ten
yards per reception, that's under four yards per carry. Both
of us would take that every day, you know, of
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the week, especially on Sundays, right Like that is that
is ideal because that's twenty five touches where this dude's
not making his normal I shouldn't say normal. What we've
come to expect impact. Maybe this is his normal now,
right Like maybe.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Maybe that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Like before last year he had a special year, and
it is unfair to say, oh, he's going to rush
for two thousand yards ever sing No, but he has
been dynamic. He hasn't been dynamic yet. And if they
can avoid dynamic Christian Caffrey, that will help. I know
there's one thing that I'm super concerned about. It's the
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cornerback rotation. You know, no Garret Williams, no, Will Johnson likely,
and Max Milton is a big maybe. It's a big
maybe right now. So what we're looking at is a
starting lineup at cornerback of Denzel Burke, keetro Clark, and
Elijah Jones, with Darren Hall coming off the bench, three
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Nicol Jess.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Three of those names. I have heard fans tell us
for the last you know, year plus that those guys
deserve to make this roster and play. So I have
no concern about anything. I mean, we've been told Elijah Jones,
we've been told like they deserved, Like what are we
doing with Max Melton starting? Why? So? Why are we concerned?
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I mean they've told us forever. Then it's not a problem.
So I mean, realistically you look at it, there's there's
a couple of things to it. One first off, obviously,
not having to face George Kittle is a help, It's
an equalizer. And then what is I mean, what is
truly Juwan Jennings status?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Do we know? M I mean, he played last week,
so I'm I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
It's just so hard when I mean he literally is
not practice this week at all. And his diagnose or
is diagnosis you know, they say, you know, so will
Johnson growing right Like his diagnosis is ankle slash shoulder,
So not idea right like, not ideal to have both.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Though I will say we know that especially if they
are going they will work to protect those cornerbacks, which
means dink and dunk, lots of soft zone and just
don't get beat over the top. And they will try
and they'll try and do well against the run early
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and so that. Oh, but I have a feeling this
is gonna be such a maddening game because they'll give
up long drives.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
But again, yeah, but it is like it kind of match.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
You kind of have a match because you have a
depleted receiving group with the forty nine ers against a
depleted cornerback group for the Cardinals, and while the Niners
put up twenty six points against the Saints, I feel
like this is gonna be another It's yeah, one more
thing to say.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
If the Cardinals finally click on offense, this is gonna
be a blowout.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
But I get the feeling that the Cardinals are going
to play a lot of ugly games this year and
this is going to be one of them.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Defensively, we always have to watch Nick Bosa. He's got
fifteen tackles through two games, two sacks. They only have
four sacks through two games, and one of them is
on from a corner Upton stout. They got two sacks
from Bosa, but he's been game wreck ye ish this year.
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They haven't gotten much from Michael Williams. Uh he was
banged up a little bit in the preseason. And they've
got good corners. Uh so far, Ronaldo Green's broken up
three passes in two games. They don't have any interceptions.
But I think we're gonna I think we want to
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look at the Trey McBride, Fred Warner. However, they're going
to match up against that because we have seen traymac
bride have good, big games against the forty Niners. So
I guess if we're going to if we're gonna do
matchup player for player, then it's going to be Trey
McBride versus Fred Warner. Right, That's that's the one where
like if the that's that's the elite matchup for this game.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
It really is. And and you look at it, that's
that's where everybody's gonna be looking. And and like we said,
that's what makes this a little more palatable for Cardinals fans.
You know you've got right now. Obviously we'll change, but
right now you're worried about Ricky parrisol and Christian McCaffrey.
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If Juwan Jennings plays, it does stress you a little
more defensively. But not having George Kittle is such a massive,
massive loss for the Niners.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Just one of those things that it's really hard to
overstate how important he is. I mean, he is a
you know, a six time pro bowler, he's obviously all pro,
and quite frankly, he's you know, he's really really done
well against the Cardinals in his career and and you know,
(34:52):
played at a high level against them, and so we'll
see you know where this what this comes of. But
I don't, I mean, what's your I don't think Max
Meltain's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I would be I would be surprised. I think he's limited,
as in he's doing light work.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Right and so and so, like you said, it's gonna be.
There's two ways to go about it. One is you
create pressure and you make enforce mac Jones to get
the ball out quick and then let trust your defensive
backs to tackle and make plays. Or you rush for
you drop seven and you play those soft zones that
we've seen the last couple of weeks late in game
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situations that have allowed teams to you know, methodically and
lethargically move the ball down the field where you're just like,
get off the field, please.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Make a plate, please, And so it's dank and dunk
and dank and duck and.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So yeah, I guess I if they can, and I
think it's gonna come to the turnovers and matter. But
they've got to make mac Jones. They can't. They can't
let mac Jones look like a starting quarterback. Okay, you
can't let mac Jones look like a starting quarterback in
this game.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Right, and that's you know, such a key to this
matchup is that the Cardinals have to come out and
they have to be they have to get on top
of things early, like you said, if and I'm not
saying it's gonna happen, so, but if the Cardinals come
out and they jump out to like, let's say, you know,
(36:30):
a twenty eight to ten lead in you know, in
the third quarter, I would expect, based on what we've
seen through the first two weeks, that they're gonna go
all right, you know, Nickel and dimas to death, run
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seven minutes off the clock and we'll we'll just wait
for you to make a mistake or if you want
to be paid, then we'll we'll get the ball back
and take you know, five six minutes off the clock
in turn. You know, like you said, I don't know
if we'll see a foot on the gas type of
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effort early or maybe at all from this group. I
don't because again we just don't know what to expect fully,
so we'll see how it goes. But you know, Ricky
Piersol versus the corners obviously a huge matchup. Christian McCaffrey
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versus the linebacker is always a huge matchup, but I
think you can also get more safety help this time
because you don't have George Kittle, right, And so those
are those are some of the keys to the game,
if you will, but their keys to the game in
the sense that on paper right now, that's how we're
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looking at him. Uh Juwan Jennings comes back it like again,
it stresses things out more. And then the biggest thing
that we've talked about is the porous run blocking from
the Arizona Cardinals. I mean, just across the board, Harris
has been borderline elite, you know, probably probably top five,
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maybe top three in terms of that left tackle position
past blocking through the first two weeks, but all of
them have kind of sucked against the run or in
the run game. And you mentioned it right, Nick Bosas
playing with his hair on fire this year. You know,
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the two sacks is kind of expected. I mean, a
seventeen sacks season would be really good, but nothing that
you know that Bosa hasn't had before. I mean, you're
talking about a guy with fifteen and a half and
eighteen and a half sacks in his career already in
singular seasons. But this is a dude that you know,
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he's on pace for the most tackles for loss in
his career and he led the league in twenty twenty
one and tackles for loss. So that's what I'm kind
of looking at, is like the Cardinals is gonna be
able to run the ball in this game with the
way Bosa's playing against the run. I mean, that's that's
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a legitimate question. And then of course they have the
you know, the elite of the elite linebacker and Fred Warner,
and so while it's kind of a broader thing, it's
it's the offensive line versus the forty nine ers elite
players in Fred Warner and Nick Bosa in the run game.
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And he even mentioned it, Mikel Williams has done a
nice job in the run game and his short two
game career, that to me is going to be what
creates the winner loss for this game for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
With that, Covin and I said on the Rights of
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where we make our picks, make our predictions and talk
about the prop bets. You know, if there's any doubt,
here's the thing. It doesn't look like there's any doubt
(40:39):
about Jawan Jennings because bet MGM has all sorts of
props for Jennings and so maybe they just see him
as a hey, they're gonna get them through the week.
And then because they don't even have quarterback props for them,
because there's with Rock Purty limited and I don't believe
for a second that party is going to play, not
for a second, and so I feel it's one going
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to be Mac Jones. The initial report about Brocks about Perdy's.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Injury was two to five weeks.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This would be the second week, and there was even
some talk that maybe he could be active for be
the quarterback too.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
They're not going to do that. They're just they're not
going to do that.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Shana mentioned like, I guess he's limited, so I guess
there's a better chance than there's a chance that he'll play.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
And he was just he was It wasn't said with
any conviction.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Well and it's just too early in the season. I mean,
at the end of the day, it's just too early
in the season. This isn't a desperation time. You're two
and all, you're tied for first place in the division. Yeah,
this is basically a two place game early in the season.
But you know, let's be honest, just neither of these
(41:50):
teams look like the class of the division right now.
So you're thinking to yourself, like, look, we're not on anyways.
The team that has through two weeks looked like the
best team in the division is not. That's not who
we're lining up against this week. H So you know
(42:12):
the Cardinals moving to three and oh that the Niners
moving to two and one may not matter right now.
And and so that's kind of how you look at
these things. If you're if you're the Niners, right and
you go, well, you probably don't want to risk a
serious long term injury for Rock parties, So let's let's
(42:34):
get him through, like you said, let's get him through here.
After this, think about this, you know, it's Jacksonville at home.
So you look at it and you go, okay, if
we can be three and one, And that's if you
lose to the Cardinals, Right, if we can be three
and one and we get party back for Thursday night
(42:56):
against the Los Angeles Rams, who at this moment look
like the best team in the division.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Oh my gosh, their defense has been so good. Yeah,
we're like, what over the last half season?
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Yeah, exactly so so and again you might think like okay,
but you can't look okay, but listen, you look at
the Cardinals, and the Cardinals go three and oh. And
we know that the Cardinals kind of meet of their
schedules coming up, including this game, right, they got they
got a winnable game after that, or two winnable games
(43:31):
after that in Seattle or against Seattle, and then against
the Tennessee Titans. But then they go to the Indian
go to Indy, and Indy looks decent to good, and
then they host Green Bay. So there's a legitimate chance
that they're you know, they're three and oh, and then
(43:51):
you know Thursday night Seattle games are that's one thousand
every season, a toss up every season. And then and
then you've got a Tennessee game where they're frisky, probably
a win for Arizona, but they're a frisky team. And
then you got two rough games for the Cardinals, So
so you could be like, okay, they're three and oh,
(44:13):
and then right before the bye week they're four and three.
You know, maybe at best five and two. Whereas the Niners,
you know, you get like I said, you get Jacksonville
next week. Then you have that Thursday night matchup against
the Rams. That's the game that you look at and
you go, okay, if he is eighty percent eighty five percent,
(44:37):
we got to have him that game. We're three and one.
But this is the game that could matter. But they
could also look at that and go, okay, we're three
and one. We're gonna throw, and throw as a strong word,
but we're gonna we're gonna look at this game as
a toss up because it's it gets us to three
and two. And then we have a ten day break.
(45:00):
We played Tampa. Now Tampa is good, don't get me wrong,
But we played Tampa. Now we go from three and
two to four and two, and we feel good about
where we're at our schedule heading into that next stretch.
So these are all the things that have to be
taken into account. So you know that I mean to
me just like you said, we're not gonna get props
(45:23):
until they announced the starters for the for the Niners. Well,
obviously like McCaffrey, like you said, McCaffrey's up there. They
do have Jowan Jennings numbers up. They don't have Ricky
Pearsol's up. Putch is in.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's the weird one. That's weird one.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
But they maybe somebody put in the wrong thing right,
That would be funny.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
How about predictions? How do you see this game going down?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
The line is moved to two and a half in
favor of the Niners, who was one and a half.
They were one and a half per point favorites when
they opened the week, and now it's moved up to
two and a half.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
H do you see? Do you see a Cardinals win
this week?
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Man, it's just so tough with how unknown everything is
for both sides. I'll say this, I prefer to the
Cardinals to be the underdog in this game, and I'm
taking the under I don't think this is going to
be a shootout. I think this is going to be,
(46:23):
like you said, a methodical, slow paced, slow action type
of game. The I mean, the money is on the Niners,
but it's not crazy, right, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
It's it's it's fifty six on VENOMGM. It's fifty six
percent of both money line and spread bets are on
the forty nine.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Ers, So it's not a large amount. It's not a
large difference.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
The crazier one to me is that sixty five percent
around the overcad. I know I would not I mean,
I know I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Now I'm gonna say that it's going to be a
twenty three twenty game. I'm going to predict a Cardinals
twenty three to twenty win. It's gonna be field goals,
and that that's going to lead to the prop that
I've got there to lead because you've got plus odds
for both kickers for over one and a half field goals,
So twenty three to twenty Cardinals win. Maybe it's a
(47:23):
late field goal that does the difference, but the Cardinals
cover and win, the total goes under. And then the
first prop is with what we always do because we
always do this, and we look at prayer props. The
first thing we look at of the kickers, and you
can get over one and a half field goals for
both Chad Ryland, Andy Panero at plus one oh five.
(47:43):
I think that's a that's a go to bet every
single time.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah, and I'm with you on that one again. Fando
doesn't have any really player props at this point, but
I do like a couple things. The first thing I
do like is, uh, I like the Harrison Junior over
forty nine receiving yard or over forty six and a
(48:08):
half receiving yards. It's just been such a conversation at
this point, right like, yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Will they will they will they finally do something? To
finally do something. Honestly, Tyler's response, you know, saying, hey,
there's only one football and there's ten guys need the ball.
Sometimes you get a ten target, sometimes you get three.
That's that's the right answer. And then Marv my favorite
thing is like, why are we even talking about this?
(48:36):
We're two and zero?
Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, Well, but to be fair, that's also the right response.
The other one that I really like is is McCaffrey's
over thirty six. Yes, he's averaging sixty two and a half.
I don't see any all lines yet for that.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
I've got that's seventy five plus you get even money.
I think that's that's an easy one. Go over sixty
eight and a half and then take it to seventy
five plus.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
I think that's an easy bet for him.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
And so you know those are those are interesting ones.
McBride's the one I stay away from this week. I
know he's averaging seventy yards a game, I know it.
But Fred Warner is literally the best coverage linebacker in
the NFL still is to this day. I'm just true,
I'm not and I'm not saying that he shouldn't have
(49:30):
a good game. I'm just saying, like there's a better
chance of him not getting that high up right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I like Kyler this week for his rushing yards. I
know the Robert Saalazi they're gonna have little mouse traps
for him, which you know that's funny because he's little,
and but I like over twenty eight and a half
and I'd even ladder that to fifty plus. Kyler's good
for a big run against the forty nine ers, and
(50:00):
especially since you can get at fifty plus at plus
three seventy five, so you will get the really big
potential payoff for that. Other than that, like I like
like for the receiving props, there's not that I don't
have any actual receptions, and I like that a little
bit more. If Jennings, If Jennings is there, the Jennings
(50:20):
careful because you don't wanna you don't wanna bet Jennings
and have him not play. Although, oh, here's another one.
I think this one is easy. James Connor. Oh, I
know they don't have our receiving proper for Trey Benson
because that seems to be because he's in.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
That third down role.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna get lots of catchup, but
there's nothing there for him. Yeah, nothing else that really
stands out.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
And you know, maybe later and.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Just so early with what's happening here right like this,
this group, with the unknown, with with Purdy, it just
makes it really difficult to feel like you're gonna you're
you're gonna get those numbers. The one thing I do
want to say is passing touchdowns. I know we talked
(51:15):
about this being and I'm gonna go twenty four to
twenty one niners. I don't know. It's a coin flip
to me, it really is. But the Murray over one
and a half passing touchdowns, I do like that one
as well so you know, there's some there's some interesting
ones available right now. It's just not as I mean,
it's it's kind of it's kind of paltry right now
(51:39):
compared to you know, the other games where we know
what's happening.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yeah, and and so I will have a show, one
more show this week with with sets Guy, Niners, Nations.
Kyle Posey will join me on the show, I believe
tomorrow's We'll get one more show this week before the
Cardinals and forty nine ers play. But with that we'll
go ahead and wrap up this edition to as we've
here a podcast Mists are Cardinals Talk on the Web
episode six ninety nine, and hopefully we can talk about
(52:06):
a three and Ozero team or we will have more
grievances to air this coming week. That's Sef Cox, I'm
Jess Rude. Thanks for listening. As always, we'll be back
again soon.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
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