October 18, 2025 • 48 mins
The Cardinals face the Packers at home on Sunday, but will do so with a four-game losing streak and backup quarterback Jacoby Brissett in the lineup.
Jess and Seth look at what the Packers have done this season, look at the keys and matchups for the Cardinals to win. They also make their game predictions and talk about the bet prop bets from the game.
Jess and Seth look at what the Packers have done this season, look at the keys and matchups for the Cardinals to win. They also make their game predictions and talk about the bet prop bets from the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Z Yes.
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Speaker 4 (01:02):
A I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
What I think about this game, but if the Cardinals
somehow can win this game, maybe they can save their season.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah. I mean, it's one of those games that sucks
in the sense that it's way bigger than it should
be for a week seven NFL game, right, But the
reality is you're sitting at two and four, you've lost
four games in a row. Those four losses have come
by a combined nine points. And ironically, your biggest loss
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is from last week, right, you have a fifteen to
sixteen loss to the forty nine ers, a twenty twenty
three loss to the Seahawks at twenty one, twenty two
loss to the Titans, then a twenty seven to thirty
one loss to the Colts last week, and so yeah,
I mean to see a week seven game heading into
a bye week have this much impact on the season.
And let's be honest, I mean, the reality of the
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situation is they're really far behind the eight ball already.
To say that the season isn't over yet is very hopeful.
But like you but but like you said, a loss
basically puts a nail in the coffin because at that
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point they would have to go likely to lose two
games eight eight, Right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And there's nothing about a two and five start that says, oh,
we can go eight and two the rest of the way.
By the way, it's weird because like we're just a
few plays from a you know, six and oho season.
But that's that's what happens with teams that will non
good teams. And I'm not ridly like, I'm not going
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to call the Cardinals a bad team, but they're definitely
not a good team. So good teams win games that
are close. Yeah, team does not right well.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And that's the other thing too, right, Like if they
were even if they were to lose this game and
said it two and five, and then they find a
way to go ten and seven, which neither of you
and I would say they would do. But if they
did find a way to do that, they'd also be
like the hottest team in the NFL. And so now
all of a sudden you're like, oh, hey, they've got
a shot in the playoffs. So I mean, that's the
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flip side to it. But the reality is, like you said,
the NFL is a one score league for the most part,
and every game this season for the Arethona Cardinals has
been one score. They've beat teams that are worse than them,
they've lost the teams that are as good, if not better,
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and then they've blown one game against the worst team
in the NFL, and ironically now not the worst team
in the NFL record wise, because the New York Jets
are a dumpster fire as well. So you know that's
that's how the NFL works so much, right like, and
you're so accurate in that, just the the NFL isn't
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about winning games forty four to twenty. The NFL is
about how do you win thirty one twenty seven games?
How do you win twenty three twenty games? And under
Jonathan Gannon, the Arizona Cardinals just don't do that. And
so you know, we talked about it last week or
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last episode right when it was you and I. The
Cardinals just lose too often in those one score games.
And it's a history with Gannon. Yes, they have some
some blowout losses, we've seen them, you know, like the
Pack lost last year, right and the Commanders lost last year.
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But most of the time we're looking at, you know,
thirty four to twenty eight losses, thirty or twenty thirteen losses,
things like that. Where As you said, there is a
handful of plays in every game where're like, well, if
that just goes different, they win. Well, as you astutely
pointed out, good teams you don't have to do that.
Good teams, you go, oh, these handful of plays, if
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you make them, we win by three scores, right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yes, Yes, it's like there hasn't been really any clutch
to like they rallied back, so they had the clutch
gene in against Seattle when they came back from down
twenty to six to tie the game, only the then
to give up the game winning drive. And we've talked
about it before, but it's not been good. But we've
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got the Packers this week, who are a good team.
They're three to one and one. They are in first
place in the NFC North. They are a top ten
unit both offensively and defensively, and that's both in points
and yards.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
This is a very consistent.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Team, although it's not particularly flashy because their.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Offense is everyone can hurt you. Their leading receiver this year.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is tied between Tucker Craft and Romeo Dobbs, each have
eighteen catches in five games. The offense runs through Josh Jacobs.
He is putting up ball, you mean, he's got three
hundred and fifty nine yards and six touchdowns in five games.
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But he hasn't been the efficient guy this year, as
he's averaging just under three he's averaging three point seven
arts per carry. That said, that still paces the team
and he has after a slow start, he's had over
one hundred and fifty. He's had at least one hundred
and fifty scrimmage yards in the last two games, which
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that that feels like bad news for the Cardinals, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, especially after last week right where we kind of
highlighted it going into the game, what was the key
to game? They did an overall good job against Daniel Jones.
They did an overall terrible job against Jonathan Taylor. So
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you know, when you look at that from that perspective, there,
like you said, there's a number of players that are
going to hurt you. You know, Tucker Craft, the Cardinals
have still you know, going back to week one with
Jawan Johnson, right, have still not done a great job
against tight ends. But yeah, Josh Jacobs is truly, as
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you're pointing out, the key to this game. If they're
if they're going to have success, it's going to come
against stopping and containing Josh Jacobs. And and here's the deal,
like you said, his gross numbers rushing have not been impressive.
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But the last two weeks against Dallas, who's a bad
defense in Cincinnati, who's I don't know what they all. Yeah,
but you also don't know what they are. They just
beat the Steelers, right although you know, Aaron Rodgers had
a field day. He's averaging over six yards per touch.
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So that's where the issue, like you said, comes in, right, Like,
It's not so much that he's going to beat you
on the ground, although five point two yards per care
against Cincinnati is impressive. It's the fact that he's going
to beat you in a number of ways. And his
long rush this year's nineteen yards. I mean, this isn't
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a guy that's that's breaking long plays. And to be fair,
the last two years in Green Bay, although last year
was excellent, you know, a pro bowler, really good season,
I mean long his career long in Green Bay, it's
thirty eight yards. He's not breaking big runs. He's more
of a grinded out, grind you down type of guy.
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And that's going to be what matters in this game
because we've seen that inevitably, unfortunately, realistically, the Cardinals defense
in the fourth quarter will get tired and will give
up large chunks of yardage and will not force a
team to punt five punts or no sorry, five stops
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you know this season on that like.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And one of them was a stop that was immediately
a touchdown because it was a fumble dinner stamps.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So it's just it's just a baffling, baffling situation that
we've discussed. But this is one of those This is
one of those games where you're gonna look up and
you're gonna go, wait, Josh Jacobs has one hundred and
eleven yard rushing in the game. I felt like he
had like sixty yards in the first three quarters.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, that's that's totally what happens there.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And well, you know, you look at this offense at
the largest producers are the running back in the tight end.
That seems vaguely familiar to the game plan last week
when when it was Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren and
what happened with both both scored. Tyler Warren had six
catches and a touchdown. Jonathan Taylor ran for one hundred
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and twenty three yards, scored a touchdown. That's like, they've
got to find ways to do that because and the
hard part with the receivers is the fact that there's
not a guy that you can key on because they
balanced that passing attack. And you know part of that
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is because they're receivers. They don't have a star receiver.
They have a bunch of good receivers and.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So and you kind of said it, Jess, it's it's
a balancing act. But it's also the reality that they
take what is given to them. Right. So you know,
in game one, you had a Jaden Reid kind of
heavy game right to three catches forty five yards, and
heavy is a strong word, I get that, but you know,
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three catchers forty five yards. He led the team in
receiving that game. You know, then you had the big
Tucker Kraft game. But but the number two guy was
Dantavian Wicks. But Jess, the number three guy was Malik
Heath like no offense, but who right, like and and
so that was game two, and so you're like, okay,
(11:58):
well all right, so we gotta we gotta slow down
talker Craft and and to be fair, they played a
great you know, Browns defense. But the next game was
the Matthew Golden and and and Josh Jacob's receiving game. Right,
And so, like you said, it's if they're gonna get
a big game from somebody in terms of yardage, it's
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gonna be Tucker Craft or Josh Jacobs receiving. And I
know you're thinking to yourself, Josh Jacob, No, I mean
leading receiver in their win over the Cowboys or their
tie over the Cowboys a couple of weeks ago, you know.
But but it's not you don't see You don't see
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a whole lot in terms of like big numbers for
the wide receivers. You just see really consistent, spread out games.
And so I guess the best receiver or you know,
the the guy, the one guy that they've gotten three
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three impressive games. I don't want to say good games.
Three impressive games out of was is Matthew Golden their
their first round pick from this year, right had he
had a four for fifty two game, a five for
fifty eight game, and then last week he's starting to
blossom and he had three catches for eighty six yards.
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That's over twenty eight yards per catch. Jess, he's their
big play guy. I mean, you look at it. We
talked about kind of Josh Jacobs and applotting of his game.
Golden's opposite, right, in those three games, a thirty four
yard reception, of forty six yard reception, a thirty five
yard reception like this is a dude that gets the
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ball in space and makes people miss and makes big
plays happen. But yeah, they're just a wildly balanced team
that's willing and has got you know, what we would
call wide receiver twos, but they've got you know, four
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of them. And when you have four of them, that's
a that's a good thing because you've got balance and
you can just do whatever you need to do depending
on the game. I mean, it's they're gonna have they're
gonna end up with five guys barring injury obviously, but
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at least five guys with over five hundred yards receiving,
and that great, I know, and and that just and
like you said, it's it's just it's not impressive, right,
Like you don't go, oh man that that passing attack
from from the Green Bay Packers. It's not impressive because
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the numbers aren't impressive, But it's impressive because it's so
balanced and it's so mixed and they're able to do
what they want based on the matchups that they're seeing
and they're able to attack in different ways.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And Jordan Love, he's averaging just over two hundred and
fifty yards passing a game. He's got nine touchdowns in
five games, two interceptions. He's he's on pace for a
roughly thirty to thirty five touchdown past season with only
a handful of turnovers. And he it's just this team
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is consistently productive and then you go to the other
side of the ball, and this is what worries me
the most is, you know, Jacoby Brissett only was sacked
twice last week, but what is we do know about
Jacoby Brissett that he will get sacked.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
He was hit twelve times in that game.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Now, part of that is the willingness to wait and
to deliver a throw, but that might not work this
week against a team that has uh well granted they
don't have large sack numbers through through five games, but
they have two very good edge rushers and Rashan Gary's
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got four and a half sacks through the first five
games and Michah Parsons, who's got two and a half.
But you know that's you know that's going to change
in a hurry. A Parsons is a guy that can
that can absolutely wreck a game and he hasn't been
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elite yet.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But that's coming.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And you know now that there's nearly halfway through the
season with that that early trade or that late trade.
I I worry this is a Micah Parsons game.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, and and he's been good, but not fantastic. But
but their defense is is just based off of again
really talented young players. Think about this, just Kay Walker there,
they're talented linebacker and Edrian Cooper their other talented linebacker
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are twenty five and twenty four. So that's another three
years of really excellent linebacker play. The veteran of the
group is Xavier McKinney of the secondary. Excuse me, is
Xavier McKinney, who's maybe the best safety in the NFL.
Maybe you know, coming off a year where he was
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a Pro Bowler, AP first team All Defensive player and
was eighth overall and Defensive Player of the Year, which
may not sound impressive, but when safeties are that high, yeah,
it's it's genuinely insane to see a safety that high.
And so you know, McKinney is one of those guys
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that he just he makes plays all over the field
and his numbers again last year was impressive eight interceptions,
eleven passes defense. This year he's got one interception and
two passes defense. But it's because teams are like, yeah,
this guy ain't gonna beat us. There's just zero chance
we're gonna let this dude beat us. So we'll go
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where we need to go. But yeah, last year was
was an impressive year. And then you mentioned it the
edge rushers, right, like, these are guys that can get
after it, that have a plethora of moves. I mean,
Michael Parsons is twenty six year years old. It's insane
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and unless there's like an actual, like physical ailment that's
going to impede him from hitting his his stealing. This
is the Cardinals getting Chandler Jones level of ensyne and
the difference being that the Patriots still won Super Bowls
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without Chandler Jones, while as the Cowboys haven't, like they're
barely playoff teams with Micah Parsons, like you why not
continue to build around him? Their interior has been impressive.
Devonte Wyatt and Lucas van Ness two former first round
picks again young guys twenty seven to twenty four. I mean,
they're just they've really really loaded up on the defensive
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side of the ball in the first round, and then
they come in and really you know hammer things on
day two in terms of receivers and offensive linemen and
things of that nature. So it'll be interesting because, yeah,
this is a this is a talented defense that that
gets after it, that that has multiple contributors. You know,
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they don't have the the Josh Swett with five sacks
and then and then Kalays Cambell three and then you
and me with one each, right like the one. The
one question coming in this week is that you know,
van Ness and Wyatt have both been out with injuries.
Are they Are they going to go this week? Is it?
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Let's be honest, Jess, is it even worth playing them
against Arizona Cardinals. That's a legitimate question we have to have.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
That that's true.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And then the one thing, here's the thing that's that's
impressive to me about their defensive numbers as their tenth
end points allowed and number five in yards. They've done
that with only two takeaways in five games.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, so it does the big the question is that
a sustainable thing? I think it semi is because the
offense doesn't turn the ball over, right, You mentioned that
Jordan Love only two interceptions, They've lost one fumble on
the air, so they have three turnovers. They forced two,
So you're right in that balance of even. But but
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it does make sense, Jess. I mean you look at
their games, right. They again, before the Browns went into
the tank for the season, they lost a thirteen to
ten game against you know what could be the best
defense in the NFL. It's not, but it it definitely
could be if if they got you know, the right
players and the right people all over the place. And
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then they tied the Dallas Cowboys, and the Cowboys won
the turnover battle, right, I mean, the Cowboys forced one turnover.
The the Packers didn't force any, But typically it doesn't
matter just because their offense is so efficient, and then
they can force teams to be one dimensional. And that's
that's where the question comes in, Jess. I mean, you know,
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we talked about going into last week or that the
Cardinals were were second in pass attempts. Guess who's first
or faced, sorry, pass attempts faced? Guess who's first? And
and so when you can say, oh, yeah, they don't.
No team tries to run the ball against us, I
mean the Packers are the number one defense against the run,
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their fourth in yards per attempt. I mean that's how
good they are. Just and then but they've seen the
least amount of carries in the NFL. They've only carries
on the season. They face like that's a wild statistic.
And so again like this this defense is really really
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good at basically everything, right.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yes, coming out next on the res of serit podcast
Best are Cardinals talking the weather, Let's look at this matchup?
What are the keys to this game? One are the
matchups that we're watching that's coming next and receups red
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talk of the way. We talked about the Packers specifically
and what they've done so far. But let's look at
the match of this game. We've made allusions to it.
I guess two guys that you have to limit are
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the two guys you have to limit and this Josh
Jacobs and Tucker Craft.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And that has been a struggle.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, man, I mean you look at the fact that
the Cardinals against a similar team and now they're facing
a just flat out better quarterback struggled against against Tyler
Warren and Josh Jacob or sorry, Jonathan Taylor. And so
when you look at it from that perspective, you go.
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You know, yeah, both Craft and Jacobs are a step down.
I mean, we can be honest about that. It's not
it's not saying that they're bad by any means, but
they're a step down from from Taylor and Tyler Warren.
Maybe not Craft, but you know, Joe Jacobs is a
little bit of a step down from Jonathan Taylor. But
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then you get the in verse that Jordan Love is
probably three to four steps above Daniel Jones, even this
year's Daniel Jones. Right, Like, so, so how do you stop?
I mean, the Cardinals on the day against the two
guys that they know that they needed to stop, gave
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up two hundred yards of total offense and two touchdowns,
the two guys that everybody in the building knew that
they needed to stop. Meanwhile, the other side of it
is that the Cardinals have Jacoby Brissette, who, like you said,
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loves to stand in the pocket, willing to stand in
the pocket, willing to take a big hit going up
against one of the best and most consistent pass rushes
in the NFL. And I know you talked about it
on your on your site this week, Jess and the
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improvement of the offensive line with will Hernandez was was unmistakable.
But we also have to look at the fact that,
you know, Jacoby Brissette was hit a lot in that game,
and it didn't matter in one game. But the way
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that the NFL works, and especially the way that playing
the game works, is those hits do eventually get to you.
Like you can stand in the pocket and take them
for only so long. And and we are, knock on wood,
witnessing the birth of a star in Paris Johnson Junior,
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but we're also witnessing the fall of what was supposed
to be one of the highlights of last offseason. And
Jonah Williams, who's not been good this year, and now
he gets to block either Micah Parsons or Rashan Gary
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for a full game, and and I mean, you know,
they'll flip sides and he'll have to block both of them,
and so you're gonna have to have a really concerted
effort to contain and control them because the reality of
the situation is that this this Packers pass rush is
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going to create havoc, absolute havoc for the Arizona I mean,
Micah Parsons on the season has three sat or two
nund sacks. Like you said, six hits in twenty hurries,
where Shaun Gary has the four and a half, right,
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four hits, nine hurries. But then you have the Lucas
van Nes, Devonte Wyatt and we didn't even mention Carl
Brooks who has two hits and ten hurries as well.
Like these are they just get after the quarterback and
they have an excellent rotation of five guys who do
it really really well. Now again, Wyatt and van nessmiss
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the game. You might have a little something there. I'm
not gonna say it's gonna change the outcome of the game, right,
but you might have a little something. But those are
that's what is gonna be interesting. Can the Cardinals offensive
line that you know, people say, oh, they only gave
up two, okay, But Jacoby Brissett got beat to tar
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in that game and at the end of the game,
the final two plays, it reared its ugly head. And
I'm not gonna blame you know, your Kobe for it
at all. But but when you get hit and pressure
that much in a game, and then you get down
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on the goal line and you feel that pressure again,
you you tend to duck early. You tend to to
try to do something like run the ball when your
jacoby were set and you're not gonna make something like
that happen, or you you don't set your feet and
you throw a pass that is so uncatchable that the
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NFL is even like, we're not gonna throw that flag.
We're not gonna bail you guys out at the end
of the game on a pass that you know was
more catchable for a cameraman or a fan than it
was Trey McBride right wrong or other. That's just the
way it's gonna work. And so that's that's what the
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question becomes this week when when you have a team
that's going to you know, hit him probably six to
ten times. They're going to sack him, you know, four
times in this game, and they're going to hurry him
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fifteen plus times, Like, how is he going to respond?
Especially when we have not seen a running game that
can take the pressure.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Off, right, And so not only do the Cardinals not
have a running game now to begin with, they now
have a non functioning running game against the top rush defense,
which means that sounds like, yeah, that doesn't sound particularly
ideal at all. Obviously, I want to see what Josh
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Sweat does. We don't know if Zach Tom's going to
play yet or not for the Packers, and so the
presence the the edge rush that the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Have is going to be something to watch as well.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
How they how the how the Green Bay cornerbacks match
up against Marvin Harrison is going to be an interesting
and how they how they line up against Trey McBride,
because they need with with no with no run game,
it's got to be a Marvin trade game.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
They've got to they've got to put up big numbers.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, they really do, Okay, and then they have said
that that Wyatt van Ness are both out this game.
So that's helpful. I mean that is insanely helpful, right,
Like those are those are dominant players. Now, I don't
want anybody to say, well, that's you know this, this
should be great. No, I mean, let's you know, they
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still have a fantastic, fantastic stick defense outside of those two.
But it is helpful, especially along the interior where again
they've really struggled to run the ball and the Packers
partially because nobody runs against them, but Packers are the
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best run defense in the NFL, So that could theoretically
be that could theoretically be a small positive for the
Arizona Cardinals. But I don't want to get overly excited
because again, this team hasn't been able to run the
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ball against bad run defenses. And yes, Wyatt and van Ness.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Are very very good, bordering on elite, but again we're
not gonna We're not gonna count our chickens before they
hat show to speak right.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
The other well, this will be the fun in terms
of rookie matchups. That's going to be Matthew Gold against
Will Johnson. However that ends up playing out, we don't
know how they're actually matchup, but that that's going to
be a fun one to watch if you get the
rookie on rookie production Will Johnson, who's had really a
quietly very good season to start the year. You know
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those player grades from PFF, but they work in the
Cardinals favor They work in the Cardinals favor for Will
Johnson who's been doing really well. But yeah, coming out
next on the right of to he your podcast best
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you can make a little money on, and it's coming
to next. On Rice of ce Red, we're back on
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the rights of Serreed podcast The Best are Cardinals Talk
on the web. Time for the picks and predictions. The
line has moved a little bit. The six and a
half is now an even seven, and on the on
the predictions that I've given, I'm predicting a push. I
guess because I believe that the Packers would cover the
six and a half points spread winning by seven, that
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the Cardinals would compete but up otherwise struggle, maybe compete
but not make plays late because they're fourth quarter or defense.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
We know they're not good.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
The Packers have scored twenty seven points exactly in all
three of their wins. I had this game as a
twenty seven twenty game. Maybe I need to push that
to be a thirty to twenty game because I think
the offense found something last week. But I also really
worry that this is going to be like backup start
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number two, Like you get that, you get that boost
in their first start and then things come crashing to
earth like they did that. They've done a couple of
times with Colt McCoy, like he has his good game
and then then they fall out hind a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
He turns the ball over. I wonder if that's going to.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Be this case this week, because as as much as
people love Jacoby Pressett at his best, he's a low
end starter.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, and we saw what his best was last week,
and that was.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Are we gonna get that's that's that was the best.
That was the best Jacoby came.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Right, and so you know, if you can get something
similar to that there, like you said, it's going to be,
they're going to have a chance to compete. The problem becomes,
can you get enough stops against it an offense that
will take their time to grind you down and then
chew you up and switch you out. And I just genuinely,
(34:48):
like you said, you don't know. I mean, the Cardinals
couldn't stop a good offense last week at all. I mean,
they just couldn't. We can be completely honest about that.
And then now you get the Packers, who are eighth
in scoring, right, you've mentioned it, twenty seven points per
game in their wins. They've got a forty point game
(35:08):
on the season, They're They're one negative game was against
the Cleveland Browns can and let's be completely honest, can
the Cardinals get a Cleveland Browns like performance on defense
like that?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
We haven't seen any evidence that they can do that.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's that's what they would have to have, because that
was I mean, we saw a middling offensive performance in
the first game from the Packers, only two hundred and
sixty six total yards, but they scored twenty seven points.
After that, it was you know, the Browns gave up
only two hundred and thirty yards and ten points the
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other three games, Jess. And they've only played five games
because they had a week five by week people. The
other three games four hundred and four, four hundred nine
yards of offense. They're freaking good, man Like. They've got
one game where they've given up over four hundred yards
on offense. That was to the Dallas Cowboys right before
(36:13):
the bye week, and that forty to forty epic tie.
And outside of that.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Second game tying field goal, what a weird way to
end the game, to end the game with the field
goal to just come to not lose. But yeah, the
rest of the games, their opponents haven't touched two hundred
and seventy.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yards and and not just that. Just look at the
look at the numbers. Look at the two hundred pass
yards for the Lions. We're two hundred pass yards for
the Lions, doesn't matter who the quarterback is. The Cardinals
passing attack is not as good as the Lions. One
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seventy nine yards for the Washington Commanders, Okay, five yards
for the Cleveland Browns, Okay, we can throw that out.
Two hundred and thirteen yards for the Jake Browning Cincinnati
Bengals like they that was?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
That was Joe Flacco last week?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Was it cover? Yeah? Oh, okay, I didn't know he
was there already.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, he was in like on a few days.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
That was my pick because I thought that Flacco would
help them cover the fourteen point spread.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
That there was.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, right, And then and then you look at it.
It's the rushing though, that's absurd. I mean, outside of
the Cleveland game and obviously the Dallas game where they
gave up over four hundred yards, I mean just forty six,
fifty one and fifty five yards like that's that's nuts, man.
And and if you want to look at things through
(37:48):
a lens, that's kind of realistic. Are the Cardinals kind
of not similar to the Cincinnati Bengals. Maybe a slightly
improved defense, right, like slightly better overall defense, But they're
they're kind of the mirror image of that Cincinnati Bengals team.
(38:09):
The Bengals have the better receiving corps, the Cardinals have
a slightly better defense. I mean, is two hundred and
sixty eight total yards of offense that that seems about
right for this game. Fifty five total rushing yards like that,
that kind of seems where what we'll see from the
(38:31):
Cardinals this week. And and if that happens, yeah, that's
that's where the problem will will lie because you know,
they've they've had bad rushing games, Jess, but eighty two,
eighty nine and eighty eight yards rushing, those were their
bad rushing games. They haven't had a sub seventy five
(38:57):
yard you know, a sub sixty yard game. So and
they sustain that, will they be a because I think
this week that's what we're gonna see, right.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So my pick for the game specifically, I'm gonna push
because I think the Cardinals are gonna win.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I think I think the Packers are gonna win and cover.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I'm gonna go thirty to twenty, thirty to twenty Packers
beat the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
What do you've got for that score?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be the Packers. I think
it's gonna be twenty eight seventeen, so similar score. I
just don't think the Cardinals get that extra field goal.
So I think I think we get two more Jacobe
Bresett touchdown passes, and fans are gonna be fired up,
man fired up.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
That's fun. Unfortunately, because technically Kyler Murray is questionable and.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
While he did practice, he was seen thrown to practice
squad guys, and so there are no Kyler props or
Jacobe props and so good. There's not a ton of
props we can go with, but the first one I
(40:18):
look at and with my twenty point prediction. Oh that
that changed in the last like ten minutes. Chad Ryland
over one and a half field goals went from plus
one of five to even money plus one hundred.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But there are no kicking props for the Packers because
Breddy McManus is questionable, So we kind of kind of
go with that. Josh Jacobs is at the you know,
I don't know if what because it hit like the
numbers are not like amazingly good on anything here.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You've got I do like it over thirty three and
a half.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I like Josh Jacobs receiving yards in this one over
nineteen and a half. Oh oh yeah, and then and
then I would actually ladder that up to fifty yards.
I mean, he's been he's been consistent. You can get him,
you know, I know, I know, bet MGM. They have
it like it's usually what twenty it's is over then
twenty five and fifty.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Right, they don't even have him on fifty okay, and
they don't even have they don't have they don't have
Jacobs listed for alternate alternate receiving yards at all, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
All right, so yeah, go to fandle on that one.
You can get him, you know, twenty plus yards at
minus one fourteen that's his line. You can skip twenty
five plus if you want, that's plus one thirty two
and just go to thirty. It's plus one eighty eight
forties plus three fifty and then if you're fill in
real frisky, plus six thirty for fifty yards receiving. They've
just been utilizing him so much in the receiving game lately, right,
(41:53):
Like it would be dereliction to not utilize him and
see what you can get off of that. Jordan Love
two hundred and thirty eight yards, crew one hundred and
thirty eight and a half yards. Are you are you
thinking that they're going to need that much? Jordan Love?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
No, no, but this is just such a hushing it is.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
There there there are two receiving props that I think
are easy ones. You get plus money at plus one
twenty for over four and a half catches for Tucker Craft.
To me, that seems like a lock. And like, since
Golden's kind of been coming along, if you go over
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three and a half receptions for Golden at plus one
ten and so, that's good.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I like, yeah those impact that makes sense. You know
if you I know that some places do longest receptions
Matthew Golden over twenty one and a half. We just
talked about it. Last three games, everything's been over thirty.
So if you if and so there is a Matthew
Golden to record a thirty plus yard reception, that's plus
(43:09):
one ninety five, I really like that one. And then
there is a game special that I do, like, let
me find it real quick, go, uh where did it go?
(43:33):
And that was, oh, there it is Matthew Golden over
twenty five plus receiving years in each half. That's plus
three thirty. So it's a it's a long longer shot,
not a not a huge long shot, but plus three thirty. Again,
I think he's gonna, you know, he's gonna have a
couple of big receptions. So like just said, I could
see a game where it's like four four receptions for
(43:58):
for seventy five yards and and one's thirty seven yards
and then you know he has three more to like
kind of get him over that. So that that's one
I like as well, what do you have any defensive
props at all?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
None? None at all.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
They do have interceptions one that I I again, plus
five fifty. It's a little long shot, but Xavier McKinney
to record an interception, and then what about Will Johnson
getting his first one? I mean, I know we talked
about that Jordan Love doesn't turn the ball over, but
plus six fifty Johnson's just been so so good, you know, Again,
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don't put one hundred dollars on it. But if you
put five on it and you win thirty seven to fifty, you're,
you know, go have a nice, nice lunch one day
next week.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Touchdown scorers, here's the one that I think is give me,
give me Josh Jacobs two plus touchdowns a plus two seventy.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, and that's better a bet MGM. It's plus two
fifty on on fan to also go with that. Yeah,
I mean this is a tough one first touchdown score.
I would look at again. I wouldn't go any Cardinals,
no offense, I would not go any Cardinals, but but
(45:21):
I would. It's so hard with the Packers because they
go all over the place. But Josh Jacobs at plus
three hundred would be you know, a safe plus money
bet so speak yes.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
They they have on bet and GM the first touchdown
score for the Cardinals specifically.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
They don't have it for the They've got it for
the Packers too.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
But you can get and and based on what we saw,
I kind of like this. You either one plus four
fifty for either Bam Night or Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I like both of those.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah. Yeah, so Bam Knight's plus four twenty Marvin Harrison
is plus four sixty. So yeah, that's a good one.
I like that very much as well. Oh, they do
have that either player prop too, so they do have
an either player first touchdown score. So what that means
(46:20):
is you can, you know, kind of headge your bets
if you want and so Josh Jacobs and Tucker Craft
like plus one ninety five if you want to. Oh yeah,
So but yeah, I think you're I think you're kind
of accurate with that. Like there's this is it's really
(46:40):
hard one because we don't have any props. But two,
it's really hard to to push Cardinals centric in this
because we just have so many questions, right.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Yeah, definitely. So with that, I think that kind of
wraps things up.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
We've got our picks, we've got our predictions, you've got
some props to look at Cardinals tomorrow afternoon four to
twenty five Eastern, one twenty five local, you know, and
then then we've got the bye week next week. So
it'll be interesting to see how things go because if
they go to in five, which is what we both
predict is going to be, two and five was the
(47:19):
absolute worst case scenario for the first step and viewed
as a disaster scenario. I don't know what to do
with this team though, So with that, make a little
money on that. That's seth Cox. I'm Jess Rude. Thanks
for listening. As always, we'll be back again soon.
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Speaker 4 (01:02):
A I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
What I think about this game, but if the Cardinals
somehow can win this game, maybe they can save their season.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah. I mean, it's one of those games that sucks
in the sense that it's way bigger than it should
be for a week seven NFL game, right, But the
reality is you're sitting at two and four, you've lost
four games in a row. Those four losses have come
by a combined nine points. And ironically, your biggest loss
(01:48):
is from last week, right, you have a fifteen to
sixteen loss to the forty nine ers, a twenty twenty
three loss to the Seahawks at twenty one, twenty two
loss to the Titans, then a twenty seven to thirty
one loss to the Colts last week, and so yeah,
I mean to see a week seven game heading into
a bye week have this much impact on the season.
And let's be honest, I mean, the reality of the
(02:10):
situation is they're really far behind the eight ball already.
To say that the season isn't over yet is very hopeful.
But like you but but like you said, a loss
basically puts a nail in the coffin because at that
(02:32):
point they would have to go likely to lose two
games eight eight, Right, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
And there's nothing about a two and five start that says, oh,
we can go eight and two the rest of the way.
By the way, it's weird because like we're just a
few plays from a you know, six and oho season.
But that's that's what happens with teams that will non
good teams. And I'm not ridly like, I'm not going
(03:06):
to call the Cardinals a bad team, but they're definitely
not a good team. So good teams win games that
are close. Yeah, team does not right well.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And that's the other thing too, right, Like if they
were even if they were to lose this game and
said it two and five, and then they find a
way to go ten and seven, which neither of you
and I would say they would do. But if they
did find a way to do that, they'd also be
like the hottest team in the NFL. And so now
all of a sudden you're like, oh, hey, they've got
a shot in the playoffs. So I mean, that's the
(03:38):
flip side to it. But the reality is, like you said,
the NFL is a one score league for the most part,
and every game this season for the Arethona Cardinals has
been one score. They've beat teams that are worse than them,
they've lost the teams that are as good, if not better,
(03:58):
and then they've blown one game against the worst team
in the NFL, and ironically now not the worst team
in the NFL record wise, because the New York Jets
are a dumpster fire as well. So you know that's
that's how the NFL works so much, right like, and
you're so accurate in that, just the the NFL isn't
(04:20):
about winning games forty four to twenty. The NFL is
about how do you win thirty one twenty seven games?
How do you win twenty three twenty games? And under
Jonathan Gannon, the Arizona Cardinals just don't do that. And
so you know, we talked about it last week or
(04:40):
last episode right when it was you and I. The
Cardinals just lose too often in those one score games.
And it's a history with Gannon. Yes, they have some
some blowout losses, we've seen them, you know, like the
Pack lost last year, right and the Commanders lost last year.
(05:04):
But most of the time we're looking at, you know,
thirty four to twenty eight losses, thirty or twenty thirteen losses,
things like that. Where As you said, there is a
handful of plays in every game where're like, well, if
that just goes different, they win. Well, as you astutely
pointed out, good teams you don't have to do that.
Good teams, you go, oh, these handful of plays, if
(05:27):
you make them, we win by three scores, right.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yes, Yes, it's like there hasn't been really any clutch
to like they rallied back, so they had the clutch
gene in against Seattle when they came back from down
twenty to six to tie the game, only the then
to give up the game winning drive. And we've talked
about it before, but it's not been good. But we've
(05:52):
got the Packers this week, who are a good team.
They're three to one and one. They are in first
place in the NFC North. They are a top ten
unit both offensively and defensively, and that's both in points
and yards.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
This is a very consistent.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Team, although it's not particularly flashy because their.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Offense is everyone can hurt you. Their leading receiver this year.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Is tied between Tucker Craft and Romeo Dobbs, each have
eighteen catches in five games. The offense runs through Josh Jacobs.
He is putting up ball, you mean, he's got three
hundred and fifty nine yards and six touchdowns in five games.
(06:51):
But he hasn't been the efficient guy this year, as
he's averaging just under three he's averaging three point seven
arts per carry. That said, that still paces the team
and he has after a slow start, he's had over
one hundred and fifty. He's had at least one hundred
and fifty scrimmage yards in the last two games, which
(07:13):
that that feels like bad news for the Cardinals, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, especially after last week right where we kind of
highlighted it going into the game, what was the key
to game? They did an overall good job against Daniel Jones.
They did an overall terrible job against Jonathan Taylor. So
(07:37):
you know, when you look at that from that perspective, there,
like you said, there's a number of players that are
going to hurt you. You know, Tucker Craft, the Cardinals
have still you know, going back to week one with
Jawan Johnson, right, have still not done a great job
against tight ends. But yeah, Josh Jacobs is truly, as
(07:59):
you're pointing out, the key to this game. If they're
if they're going to have success, it's going to come
against stopping and containing Josh Jacobs. And and here's the deal,
like you said, his gross numbers rushing have not been impressive.
(08:20):
But the last two weeks against Dallas, who's a bad
defense in Cincinnati, who's I don't know what they all. Yeah,
but you also don't know what they are. They just
beat the Steelers, right although you know, Aaron Rodgers had
a field day. He's averaging over six yards per touch.
(08:43):
So that's where the issue, like you said, comes in, right, Like,
It's not so much that he's going to beat you
on the ground, although five point two yards per care
against Cincinnati is impressive. It's the fact that he's going
to beat you in a number of ways. And his
long rush this year's nineteen yards. I mean, this isn't
(09:04):
a guy that's that's breaking long plays. And to be fair,
the last two years in Green Bay, although last year
was excellent, you know, a pro bowler, really good season,
I mean long his career long in Green Bay, it's
thirty eight yards. He's not breaking big runs. He's more
of a grinded out, grind you down type of guy.
(09:29):
And that's going to be what matters in this game
because we've seen that inevitably, unfortunately, realistically, the Cardinals defense
in the fourth quarter will get tired and will give
up large chunks of yardage and will not force a
team to punt five punts or no sorry, five stops
(09:52):
you know this season on that like.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And one of them was a stop that was immediately
a touchdown because it was a fumble dinner stamps.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So it's just it's just a baffling, baffling situation that
we've discussed. But this is one of those This is
one of those games where you're gonna look up and
you're gonna go, wait, Josh Jacobs has one hundred and
eleven yard rushing in the game. I felt like he
had like sixty yards in the first three quarters.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, that's that's totally what happens there.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And well, you know, you look at this offense at
the largest producers are the running back in the tight end.
That seems vaguely familiar to the game plan last week
when when it was Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren and
what happened with both both scored. Tyler Warren had six
catches and a touchdown. Jonathan Taylor ran for one hundred
(10:47):
and twenty three yards, scored a touchdown. That's like, they've
got to find ways to do that because and the
hard part with the receivers is the fact that there's
not a guy that you can key on because they
balanced that passing attack. And you know part of that
(11:09):
is because they're receivers. They don't have a star receiver.
They have a bunch of good receivers and.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So and you kind of said it, Jess, it's it's
a balancing act. But it's also the reality that they
take what is given to them. Right. So you know,
in game one, you had a Jaden Reid kind of
heavy game right to three catches forty five yards, and
heavy is a strong word, I get that, but you know,
(11:36):
three catchers forty five yards. He led the team in
receiving that game. You know, then you had the big
Tucker Kraft game. But but the number two guy was
Dantavian Wicks. But Jess, the number three guy was Malik
Heath like no offense, but who right, like and and
so that was game two, and so you're like, okay,
(11:58):
well all right, so we gotta we gotta slow down
talker Craft and and to be fair, they played a
great you know, Browns defense. But the next game was
the Matthew Golden and and and Josh Jacob's receiving game. Right,
And so, like you said, it's if they're gonna get
a big game from somebody in terms of yardage, it's
(12:21):
gonna be Tucker Craft or Josh Jacobs receiving. And I
know you're thinking to yourself, Josh Jacob, No, I mean
leading receiver in their win over the Cowboys or their
tie over the Cowboys a couple of weeks ago, you know.
But but it's not you don't see You don't see
(12:43):
a whole lot in terms of like big numbers for
the wide receivers. You just see really consistent, spread out games.
And so I guess the best receiver or you know,
the the guy, the one guy that they've gotten three
(13:06):
three impressive games. I don't want to say good games.
Three impressive games out of was is Matthew Golden their
their first round pick from this year, right had he
had a four for fifty two game, a five for
fifty eight game, and then last week he's starting to
blossom and he had three catches for eighty six yards.
(13:28):
That's over twenty eight yards per catch. Jess, he's their
big play guy. I mean, you look at it. We
talked about kind of Josh Jacobs and applotting of his game.
Golden's opposite, right, in those three games, a thirty four
yard reception, of forty six yard reception, a thirty five
yard reception like this is a dude that gets the
(13:50):
ball in space and makes people miss and makes big
plays happen. But yeah, they're just a wildly balanced team
that's willing and has got you know, what we would
call wide receiver twos, but they've got you know, four
(14:11):
of them. And when you have four of them, that's
a that's a good thing because you've got balance and
you can just do whatever you need to do depending
on the game. I mean, it's they're gonna have they're
gonna end up with five guys barring injury obviously, but
(14:31):
at least five guys with over five hundred yards receiving,
and that great, I know, and and that just and
like you said, it's it's just it's not impressive, right,
Like you don't go, oh man that that passing attack
from from the Green Bay Packers. It's not impressive because
(14:53):
the numbers aren't impressive, But it's impressive because it's so
balanced and it's so mixed and they're able to do
what they want based on the matchups that they're seeing
and they're able to attack in different ways.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
And Jordan Love, he's averaging just over two hundred and
fifty yards passing a game. He's got nine touchdowns in
five games, two interceptions. He's he's on pace for a
roughly thirty to thirty five touchdown past season with only
a handful of turnovers. And he it's just this team
(15:33):
is consistently productive and then you go to the other
side of the ball, and this is what worries me
the most is, you know, Jacoby Brissett only was sacked
twice last week, but what is we do know about
Jacoby Brissett that he will get sacked.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
He was hit twelve times in that game.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Now, part of that is the willingness to wait and
to deliver a throw, but that might not work this
week against a team that has uh well granted they
don't have large sack numbers through through five games, but
they have two very good edge rushers and Rashan Gary's
(16:12):
got four and a half sacks through the first five
games and Michah Parsons, who's got two and a half.
But you know that's you know that's going to change
in a hurry. A Parsons is a guy that can
that can absolutely wreck a game and he hasn't been
(16:33):
elite yet.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But that's coming.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
And you know now that there's nearly halfway through the
season with that that early trade or that late trade.
I I worry this is a Micah Parsons game.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, and and he's been good, but not fantastic. But
but their defense is is just based off of again
really talented young players. Think about this, just Kay Walker there,
they're talented linebacker and Edrian Cooper their other talented linebacker
(17:11):
are twenty five and twenty four. So that's another three
years of really excellent linebacker play. The veteran of the
group is Xavier McKinney of the secondary. Excuse me, is
Xavier McKinney, who's maybe the best safety in the NFL.
Maybe you know, coming off a year where he was
(17:35):
a Pro Bowler, AP first team All Defensive player and
was eighth overall and Defensive Player of the Year, which
may not sound impressive, but when safeties are that high, yeah,
it's it's genuinely insane to see a safety that high.
And so you know, McKinney is one of those guys
(17:56):
that he just he makes plays all over the field
and his numbers again last year was impressive eight interceptions,
eleven passes defense. This year he's got one interception and
two passes defense. But it's because teams are like, yeah,
this guy ain't gonna beat us. There's just zero chance
we're gonna let this dude beat us. So we'll go
(18:17):
where we need to go. But yeah, last year was
was an impressive year. And then you mentioned it the
edge rushers, right, like, these are guys that can get
after it, that have a plethora of moves. I mean,
Michael Parsons is twenty six year years old. It's insane
(18:39):
and unless there's like an actual, like physical ailment that's
going to impede him from hitting his his stealing. This
is the Cardinals getting Chandler Jones level of ensyne and
the difference being that the Patriots still won Super Bowls
(19:01):
without Chandler Jones, while as the Cowboys haven't, like they're
barely playoff teams with Micah Parsons, like you why not
continue to build around him? Their interior has been impressive.
Devonte Wyatt and Lucas van Ness two former first round
picks again young guys twenty seven to twenty four. I mean,
they're just they've really really loaded up on the defensive
(19:25):
side of the ball in the first round, and then
they come in and really you know hammer things on
day two in terms of receivers and offensive linemen and
things of that nature. So it'll be interesting because, yeah,
this is a this is a talented defense that that
gets after it, that that has multiple contributors. You know,
(19:49):
they don't have the the Josh Swett with five sacks
and then and then Kalays Cambell three and then you
and me with one each, right like the one. The
one question coming in this week is that you know,
van Ness and Wyatt have both been out with injuries.
Are they Are they going to go this week? Is it?
(20:10):
Let's be honest, Jess, is it even worth playing them
against Arizona Cardinals. That's a legitimate question we have to have.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
That that's true.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And then the one thing, here's the thing that's that's
impressive to me about their defensive numbers as their tenth
end points allowed and number five in yards. They've done
that with only two takeaways in five games.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, so it does the big the question is that
a sustainable thing? I think it semi is because the
offense doesn't turn the ball over, right, You mentioned that
Jordan Love only two interceptions, They've lost one fumble on
the air, so they have three turnovers. They forced two,
So you're right in that balance of even. But but
(20:54):
it does make sense, Jess. I mean you look at
their games, right. They again, before the Browns went into
the tank for the season, they lost a thirteen to
ten game against you know what could be the best
defense in the NFL. It's not, but it it definitely
could be if if they got you know, the right
players and the right people all over the place. And
(21:19):
then they tied the Dallas Cowboys, and the Cowboys won
the turnover battle, right, I mean, the Cowboys forced one turnover.
The the Packers didn't force any, But typically it doesn't
matter just because their offense is so efficient, and then
they can force teams to be one dimensional. And that's
that's where the question comes in, Jess. I mean, you know,
(21:41):
we talked about going into last week or that the
Cardinals were were second in pass attempts. Guess who's first
or faced, sorry, pass attempts faced? Guess who's first? And
and so when you can say, oh, yeah, they don't.
No team tries to run the ball against us, I
mean the Packers are the number one defense against the run,
(22:04):
their fourth in yards per attempt. I mean that's how
good they are. Just and then but they've seen the
least amount of carries in the NFL. They've only carries
on the season. They face like that's a wild statistic.
And so again like this this defense is really really
(22:31):
good at basically everything, right.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yes, coming out next on the res of serit podcast
Best are Cardinals talking the weather, Let's look at this matchup?
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talk of the way. We talked about the Packers specifically
and what they've done so far. But let's look at
the match of this game. We've made allusions to it.
I guess two guys that you have to limit are
(23:02):
the two guys you have to limit and this Josh
Jacobs and Tucker Craft.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And that has been a struggle.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, man, I mean you look at the fact that
the Cardinals against a similar team and now they're facing
a just flat out better quarterback struggled against against Tyler
Warren and Josh Jacob or sorry, Jonathan Taylor. And so
when you look at it from that perspective, you go.
(23:36):
You know, yeah, both Craft and Jacobs are a step down.
I mean, we can be honest about that. It's not
it's not saying that they're bad by any means, but
they're a step down from from Taylor and Tyler Warren.
Maybe not Craft, but you know, Joe Jacobs is a
little bit of a step down from Jonathan Taylor. But
(23:59):
then you get the in verse that Jordan Love is
probably three to four steps above Daniel Jones, even this
year's Daniel Jones. Right, Like, so, so how do you stop?
I mean, the Cardinals on the day against the two
guys that they know that they needed to stop, gave
(24:22):
up two hundred yards of total offense and two touchdowns,
the two guys that everybody in the building knew that
they needed to stop. Meanwhile, the other side of it
is that the Cardinals have Jacoby Brissette, who, like you said,
(24:52):
loves to stand in the pocket, willing to stand in
the pocket, willing to take a big hit going up
against one of the best and most consistent pass rushes
in the NFL. And I know you talked about it
on your on your site this week, Jess and the
(25:13):
improvement of the offensive line with will Hernandez was was unmistakable.
But we also have to look at the fact that,
you know, Jacoby Brissette was hit a lot in that game,
and it didn't matter in one game. But the way
(25:35):
that the NFL works, and especially the way that playing
the game works, is those hits do eventually get to you.
Like you can stand in the pocket and take them
for only so long. And and we are, knock on wood,
witnessing the birth of a star in Paris Johnson Junior,
(26:01):
but we're also witnessing the fall of what was supposed
to be one of the highlights of last offseason. And
Jonah Williams, who's not been good this year, and now
he gets to block either Micah Parsons or Rashan Gary
(26:21):
for a full game, and and I mean, you know,
they'll flip sides and he'll have to block both of them,
and so you're gonna have to have a really concerted
effort to contain and control them because the reality of
the situation is that this this Packers pass rush is
(26:43):
going to create havoc, absolute havoc for the Arizona I mean,
Micah Parsons on the season has three sat or two
nund sacks. Like you said, six hits in twenty hurries,
where Shaun Gary has the four and a half, right,
(27:04):
four hits, nine hurries. But then you have the Lucas
van Nes, Devonte Wyatt and we didn't even mention Carl
Brooks who has two hits and ten hurries as well.
Like these are they just get after the quarterback and
they have an excellent rotation of five guys who do
it really really well. Now again, Wyatt and van nessmiss
(27:26):
the game. You might have a little something there. I'm
not gonna say it's gonna change the outcome of the game, right,
but you might have a little something. But those are
that's what is gonna be interesting. Can the Cardinals offensive
line that you know, people say, oh, they only gave
up two, okay, But Jacoby Brissett got beat to tar
(27:49):
in that game and at the end of the game,
the final two plays, it reared its ugly head. And
I'm not gonna blame you know, your Kobe for it
at all. But but when you get hit and pressure
that much in a game, and then you get down
(28:11):
on the goal line and you feel that pressure again,
you you tend to duck early. You tend to to
try to do something like run the ball when your
jacoby were set and you're not gonna make something like
that happen, or you you don't set your feet and
you throw a pass that is so uncatchable that the
(28:33):
NFL is even like, we're not gonna throw that flag.
We're not gonna bail you guys out at the end
of the game on a pass that you know was
more catchable for a cameraman or a fan than it
was Trey McBride right wrong or other. That's just the
way it's gonna work. And so that's that's what the
(28:55):
question becomes this week when when you have a team
that's going to you know, hit him probably six to
ten times. They're going to sack him, you know, four
times in this game, and they're going to hurry him
(29:17):
fifteen plus times, Like, how is he going to respond?
Especially when we have not seen a running game that
can take the pressure.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Off, right, And so not only do the Cardinals not
have a running game now to begin with, they now
have a non functioning running game against the top rush defense,
which means that sounds like, yeah, that doesn't sound particularly
ideal at all. Obviously, I want to see what Josh
(29:52):
Sweat does. We don't know if Zach Tom's going to
play yet or not for the Packers, and so the
presence the the edge rush that the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Have is going to be something to watch as well.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
How they how the how the Green Bay cornerbacks match
up against Marvin Harrison is going to be an interesting
and how they how they line up against Trey McBride,
because they need with with no with no run game,
it's got to be a Marvin trade game.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
They've got to they've got to put up big numbers.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, they really do, Okay, and then they have said
that that Wyatt van Ness are both out this game.
So that's helpful. I mean that is insanely helpful, right,
Like those are those are dominant players. Now, I don't
want anybody to say, well, that's you know this, this
should be great. No, I mean, let's you know, they
(30:53):
still have a fantastic, fantastic stick defense outside of those two.
But it is helpful, especially along the interior where again
they've really struggled to run the ball and the Packers
partially because nobody runs against them, but Packers are the
(31:16):
best run defense in the NFL, So that could theoretically
be that could theoretically be a small positive for the
Arizona Cardinals. But I don't want to get overly excited
because again, this team hasn't been able to run the
(31:40):
ball against bad run defenses. And yes, Wyatt and van Ness.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Are very very good, bordering on elite, but again we're
not gonna We're not gonna count our chickens before they
hat show to speak right.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
The other well, this will be the fun in terms
of rookie matchups. That's going to be Matthew Gold against
Will Johnson. However that ends up playing out, we don't
know how they're actually matchup, but that that's going to
be a fun one to watch if you get the
rookie on rookie production Will Johnson, who's had really a
quietly very good season to start the year. You know
(32:28):
those player grades from PFF, but they work in the
Cardinals favor They work in the Cardinals favor for Will
Johnson who's been doing really well. But yeah, coming out
next on the right of to he your podcast best
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you can make a little money on, and it's coming
to next. On Rice of ce Red, we're back on
(32:50):
the rights of Serreed podcast The Best are Cardinals Talk
on the web. Time for the picks and predictions. The
line has moved a little bit. The six and a
half is now an even seven, and on the on
the predictions that I've given, I'm predicting a push. I
guess because I believe that the Packers would cover the
six and a half points spread winning by seven, that
(33:11):
the Cardinals would compete but up otherwise struggle, maybe compete
but not make plays late because they're fourth quarter or defense.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
We know they're not good.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
The Packers have scored twenty seven points exactly in all
three of their wins. I had this game as a
twenty seven twenty game. Maybe I need to push that
to be a thirty to twenty game because I think
the offense found something last week. But I also really
worry that this is going to be like backup start
(33:46):
number two, Like you get that, you get that boost
in their first start and then things come crashing to
earth like they did that. They've done a couple of
times with Colt McCoy, like he has his good game
and then then they fall out hind a little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
He turns the ball over. I wonder if that's going to.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Be this case this week, because as as much as
people love Jacoby Pressett at his best, he's a low
end starter.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, and we saw what his best was last week,
and that was.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Are we gonna get that's that's that was the best.
That was the best Jacoby came.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Right, and so you know, if you can get something
similar to that there, like you said, it's going to be,
they're going to have a chance to compete. The problem becomes,
can you get enough stops against it an offense that
will take their time to grind you down and then
chew you up and switch you out. And I just genuinely,
(34:48):
like you said, you don't know. I mean, the Cardinals
couldn't stop a good offense last week at all. I mean,
they just couldn't. We can be completely honest about that.
And then now you get the Packers, who are eighth
in scoring, right, you've mentioned it, twenty seven points per
game in their wins. They've got a forty point game
(35:08):
on the season, They're They're one negative game was against
the Cleveland Browns can and let's be completely honest, can
the Cardinals get a Cleveland Browns like performance on defense
like that?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
We haven't seen any evidence that they can do that.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's that's what they would have to have, because that
was I mean, we saw a middling offensive performance in
the first game from the Packers, only two hundred and
sixty six total yards, but they scored twenty seven points.
After that, it was you know, the Browns gave up
only two hundred and thirty yards and ten points the
(35:50):
other three games, Jess. And they've only played five games
because they had a week five by week people. The
other three games four hundred and four, four hundred nine
yards of offense. They're freaking good, man Like. They've got
one game where they've given up over four hundred yards
on offense. That was to the Dallas Cowboys right before
(36:13):
the bye week, and that forty to forty epic tie.
And outside of that.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Second game tying field goal, what a weird way to
end the game, to end the game with the field
goal to just come to not lose. But yeah, the
rest of the games, their opponents haven't touched two hundred
and seventy.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yards and and not just that. Just look at the
look at the numbers. Look at the two hundred pass
yards for the Lions. We're two hundred pass yards for
the Lions, doesn't matter who the quarterback is. The Cardinals
passing attack is not as good as the Lions. One
(36:52):
seventy nine yards for the Washington Commanders, Okay, five yards
for the Cleveland Browns, Okay, we can throw that out.
Two hundred and thirteen yards for the Jake Browning Cincinnati
Bengals like they that was?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
That was Joe Flacco last week?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Was it cover? Yeah? Oh, okay, I didn't know he
was there already.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, he was in like on a few days.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
That was my pick because I thought that Flacco would
help them cover the fourteen point spread.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
That there was.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, right, And then and then you look at it.
It's the rushing though, that's absurd. I mean, outside of
the Cleveland game and obviously the Dallas game where they
gave up over four hundred yards, I mean just forty six,
fifty one and fifty five yards like that's that's nuts, man.
And and if you want to look at things through
(37:48):
a lens, that's kind of realistic. Are the Cardinals kind
of not similar to the Cincinnati Bengals. Maybe a slightly
improved defense, right, like slightly better overall defense, But they're
they're kind of the mirror image of that Cincinnati Bengals team.
(38:09):
The Bengals have the better receiving corps, the Cardinals have
a slightly better defense. I mean, is two hundred and
sixty eight total yards of offense that that seems about
right for this game. Fifty five total rushing yards like that,
that kind of seems where what we'll see from the
(38:31):
Cardinals this week. And and if that happens, yeah, that's
that's where the problem will will lie because you know,
they've they've had bad rushing games, Jess, but eighty two,
eighty nine and eighty eight yards rushing, those were their
bad rushing games. They haven't had a sub seventy five
(38:57):
yard you know, a sub sixty yard game. So and
they sustain that, will they be a because I think
this week that's what we're gonna see, right.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be rough.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
So my pick for the game specifically, I'm gonna push
because I think the Cardinals are gonna win.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
I think I think the Packers are gonna win and cover.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I'm gonna go thirty to twenty, thirty to twenty Packers
beat the Cardinals.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
What do you've got for that score?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be the Packers. I think
it's gonna be twenty eight seventeen, so similar score. I
just don't think the Cardinals get that extra field goal.
So I think I think we get two more Jacobe
Bresett touchdown passes, and fans are gonna be fired up,
man fired up.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
That's fun. Unfortunately, because technically Kyler Murray is questionable and.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
While he did practice, he was seen thrown to practice
squad guys, and so there are no Kyler props or
Jacobe props and so good. There's not a ton of
props we can go with, but the first one I
(40:18):
look at and with my twenty point prediction. Oh that
that changed in the last like ten minutes. Chad Ryland
over one and a half field goals went from plus
one of five to even money plus one hundred.
Speaker 6 (40:31):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
But there are no kicking props for the Packers because
Breddy McManus is questionable, So we kind of kind of
go with that. Josh Jacobs is at the you know,
I don't know if what because it hit like the
numbers are not like amazingly good on anything here.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You've got I do like it over thirty three and
a half.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I like Josh Jacobs receiving yards in this one over
nineteen and a half. Oh oh yeah, and then and
then I would actually ladder that up to fifty yards.
I mean, he's been he's been consistent. You can get him,
you know, I know, I know, bet MGM. They have
it like it's usually what twenty it's is over then
twenty five and fifty.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Right, they don't even have him on fifty okay, and
they don't even have they don't have they don't have
Jacobs listed for alternate alternate receiving yards at all, unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
All right, so yeah, go to fandle on that one.
You can get him, you know, twenty plus yards at
minus one fourteen that's his line. You can skip twenty
five plus if you want, that's plus one thirty two
and just go to thirty. It's plus one eighty eight
forties plus three fifty and then if you're fill in
real frisky, plus six thirty for fifty yards receiving. They've
just been utilizing him so much in the receiving game lately, right,
(41:53):
Like it would be dereliction to not utilize him and
see what you can get off of that. Jordan Love
two hundred and thirty eight yards, crew one hundred and
thirty eight and a half yards. Are you are you
thinking that they're going to need that much? Jordan Love?
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Right?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
No, no, but this is just such a hushing it is.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
There there there are two receiving props that I think
are easy ones. You get plus money at plus one
twenty for over four and a half catches for Tucker Craft.
To me, that seems like a lock. And like, since
Golden's kind of been coming along, if you go over
(42:42):
three and a half receptions for Golden at plus one
ten and so, that's good.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I like, yeah those impact that makes sense. You know
if you I know that some places do longest receptions
Matthew Golden over twenty one and a half. We just
talked about it. Last three games, everything's been over thirty.
So if you if and so there is a Matthew
Golden to record a thirty plus yard reception, that's plus
(43:09):
one ninety five, I really like that one. And then
there is a game special that I do, like, let
me find it real quick, go, uh where did it go?
(43:33):
And that was, oh, there it is Matthew Golden over
twenty five plus receiving years in each half. That's plus
three thirty. So it's a it's a long longer shot,
not a not a huge long shot, but plus three thirty. Again,
I think he's gonna, you know, he's gonna have a
couple of big receptions. So like just said, I could
see a game where it's like four four receptions for
(43:58):
for seventy five yards and and one's thirty seven yards
and then you know he has three more to like
kind of get him over that. So that that's one
I like as well, what do you have any defensive
props at all?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
None? None at all.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
They do have interceptions one that I I again, plus
five fifty. It's a little long shot, but Xavier McKinney
to record an interception, and then what about Will Johnson
getting his first one? I mean, I know we talked
about that Jordan Love doesn't turn the ball over, but
plus six fifty Johnson's just been so so good, you know, Again,
(44:35):
don't put one hundred dollars on it. But if you
put five on it and you win thirty seven to fifty, you're,
you know, go have a nice, nice lunch one day
next week.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Touchdown scorers, here's the one that I think is give me,
give me Josh Jacobs two plus touchdowns a plus two seventy.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, and that's better a bet MGM. It's plus two
fifty on on fan to also go with that. Yeah,
I mean this is a tough one first touchdown score.
I would look at again. I wouldn't go any Cardinals,
no offense, I would not go any Cardinals, but but
(45:21):
I would. It's so hard with the Packers because they
go all over the place. But Josh Jacobs at plus
three hundred would be you know, a safe plus money
bet so speak yes.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
They they have on bet and GM the first touchdown
score for the Cardinals specifically.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
They don't have it for the They've got it for
the Packers too.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
But you can get and and based on what we saw,
I kind of like this. You either one plus four
fifty for either Bam Night or Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I like both of those.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Yeah. Yeah, so Bam Knight's plus four twenty Marvin Harrison
is plus four sixty. So yeah, that's a good one.
I like that very much as well. Oh, they do
have that either player prop too, so they do have
an either player first touchdown score. So what that means
(46:20):
is you can, you know, kind of headge your bets
if you want and so Josh Jacobs and Tucker Craft
like plus one ninety five if you want to. Oh yeah,
So but yeah, I think you're I think you're kind
of accurate with that. Like there's this is it's really
(46:40):
hard one because we don't have any props. But two,
it's really hard to to push Cardinals centric in this
because we just have so many questions, right.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
Yeah, definitely. So with that, I think that kind of
wraps things up.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
We've got our picks, we've got our predictions, you've got
some props to look at Cardinals tomorrow afternoon four to
twenty five Eastern, one twenty five local, you know, and
then then we've got the bye week next week. So
it'll be interesting to see how things go because if
they go to in five, which is what we both
predict is going to be, two and five was the
(47:19):
absolute worst case scenario for the first step and viewed
as a disaster scenario. I don't know what to do
with this team though, So with that, make a little
money on that. That's seth Cox. I'm Jess Rude. Thanks
for listening. As always, we'll be back again soon.
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