September 20, 2023 • 50 mins
After the Cardinals blew a 20-0 lead and lost 31-28 in Week 2 to the New York Giants, Jess and Seth talk about what went wrong, what positives there were, what impact new injuries will have and when the Cardinals might now actually win a game.
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Yes, this is the Rise UpSea Red Podcast, all about the Arizona
Cardinals and the NFL, featuring insiderand outsider perspectives. Enjoy the best hour
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of Cardinals talk on the web.Now Here are your hosts, Jess Root
and Seth Cox, hellowers of theCardinals fans, and welcome to the latest
edition of the Rise Up Sea RedPodcast. I'm your host Jess Root from
cardswire dot com, the USA TodayNFL wire side covering the years on the
Cardinals, Recording on Tuesday night,episode four hundred and sixty three with Seth
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Cox from Revenge of the Birds dotcom, sb Nations, aeries on the
Cardinal side and also one of thehosts of the original Draft Breakdown podcast.
Seth, we are breaking down thisthis game did I thought, I'm like,
oh my gosh, this is thegame that the Cardinals can win,
And for one half of play we'relike, oh, yeah, okay,
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this is not the worst team inthe league. And I still don't think
it's the worst team in the league, no matter what people are saying,
like just you watch the football,Chicago Bears are worse, the Houston Texans
are worse, The Carolina Panthers areworse the Cardinals. The Cardinals are not
the worst team in football, butthen they did a worst team in football
type thing, losing the second halfthirty one to eight. What in the
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world, let's start with that.In this edition of the show, we're
gonna talk about We're gonna talk about, well, what the heck happened?
There was good. We're gonna talkabout injury impact and you know, looking
at the schedule, where are theygoing to get that first twin? So
seth what happened on Sunday? Youknow, I wrote about it a little
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bit, and at the end ofthe day, you know, there's a
saying it's uh, it's Jimmy's andJoe's and not exes and Oh's and and
that's kind of what came to fruition, right, like the team with just
more talent one out. You know, you look at it. The the
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New York Giants on defense have DestroLawrence, Leonard Williams, Cavon Thibodeaux.
You know there Deontay Banks and andXavian McKinney and Dory Jackson and then and
then their linebackers with with Bobby Oka, Ricky and and and and who is
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their other good linebacker McFadden. Right, that's the other guy. And you
know, those guys are just youknow, a lot of a lot of
them are just better than a lotof the guys on the Cardinals offense.
You know, Elijah Wilkinson had anotheryou know, so so game, and
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that's probably being generous. I mean, I think he had two penalties and
gave up a sack and this oneyell the froll Holt again. You know,
he's the snaps are good, he'sdecent and run blocking, but he
and he and Wilkinson really both arestruggling in pass pro. And so you
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know that allows a guy like DesterLawrence just to kind of take over a
game. And you know, Italked about it. I don't know if
we talked about on the podcast orI think we did, but you know
I wrote about it. I said, if you can take one player from
the Giants and put him on theCardinals, it's Dester Lawrence with a bullet
like that guy is just a gamerecord and you saw it right like he
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was just phenomenal, and it justI mean, it's and and Josh Dobbs
played the best game of his careerand it's still really wasn't enough. And
that's just I mean, and that'swhat it comes down to, is you
know, when the when the otherteam has the superior talent at a number
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of positions, it just it's gonnawent out that way. And that's I
think that's how it went down.And you know, I think if I
told you, you know, wedidn't know when the when the podcast we
recorded on Thursday night and obviously youposted Friday, we didn't know that it
was for sure Buddha Baker wasn't gonnaplay. So if I would have told
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you that boot no Buddha Baker,you would have been like, oh,
they're gonna lose, Like there wouldhave even been a question right, like
they're gonna lose, and that Imean, it just kind of came out
like that's unfortunately what happened. Andyou look at it, and you know,
I thought, especially scheme wise,they looked great in the first half
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and the second half the the Giantsmade adjustments and the Cardinals couldn't counter those
adjustments because again they just don't havethe talent to do so, and things
got like they haven't been able.So that those are two games they should
have won. And these are somenumbers I got, so I could have
put them together, but Howard ballsare over at phn X he put them
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together already. So these are somereally bad These are some really bad numbers.
When it comes to the fourth quarter. If we take out the the
three plays in the final nineteen secondsof the game that included you know,
Michael Wilson's nineteen yards, and thenafter that it was nothing. The So
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the Cardinals have run twenty four fourthquarter plays for forty two yards. Josh
Dobbs in two games is seven foureleven for twenty five yards in the fourth
quarter. James Conner, he hisfinal six rushes totalled three yards. And
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it's like things just stopped. Offensively, things that they were doing well just
stopped. They were moving the ballwell, they were running the ball well,
you know, and and even therewere there were a couple of plays
that you wish that had back.If if if Dobbs doesn't just playing miss
a wide open Zach Ertz, thatwould have been a touchdown. The game's
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over. You can also look atyou know, you know, Matt Praytor
missing a fifty five yard You can'texpect that out of him, like,
fifty five yards are gonna get misssometime. You know that that was a
difference maker in the game. Butit's like everything that went well, You're
you're looking at, oh, look, this is the best case scenario,
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so the Cardinals can be and andat the same time, I was looking
at the Giant saying, see,I told you they're not that good.
And then they put thirty one pointsup on the second half. Daniel Jones
looked great. Basically the Cardinals couldn'tdo anything defensively and then well, and
it doesn't help. And I knowwe're gonna get to it, but it
doesn't help when your number one corneris literally the worst player underneath. Oh
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my goodness, Yeah, Marco did. Marco did not look good periods.
That might have been the worst gamehe's played as a as a professional,
Like that was legitimately an awful game. Yeah, and you know what happened,
Marco was bad. They can't wellAnd that's the thing, Jonathan gat
like the one thing you cannot giveup slow SIPs And when you get toasted
for a fifty yard fifty eight yardbomb down the field early in the game
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like this is you were getting prettysolid play from everyone across the board defensively,
and then you eat Marco just he'dlaid an egg. It was just
there was nothing good about that gamethat he did. You know, they
they got a turnover, they gotthree first half sacks, but guess what
they didn't get in a second half. They didn't get to Daniel Jones in
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the second half. It's like everything, It's like they played as well as
they could play in the first halfand then they reverted to basically exactly what
they were offensively against Washington in thesecond half, only they stopped being a
good defensive team. Yeah, andthat's just I mean, but you also
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mentioned it. Carlos Watkins is youryou know, your number two interior defensive
lineman. Right after after LJ Carliers, So Alji Callier's probably done for the
season with a with a bicep unfortunate, just you know what it is,
and hit the guy the other youknow, free agent splash or whatever you
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want to call it. You know, the biggest presence in the middle,
Carlos Watkins. He goes down.You know, Lecky photos out that game
and so all of a sudden,it's you know, and this isn't a
shot, but this is you know, we talked about a game one,
the fantastic, how fantastic the rotationwas, right, They Kevin Strong and
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Johnathan Ledbetter had to play most ofthe game. They played fifty snaps each
and then no one else played morethan what was it like twenty Yeah,
well, and you look at it. I mean they lost seventy or sorry
sorry, hold on, hold on, I gotta get this right. They
lost eighty seven snaps combined between well, I guess we'll call it seventy seven
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because Watkins got ten snaps and theylost seventy seven snaps from the first game
because LJ. Collier played thirty seven, Carl's Watkins played thirty three, and
Lucky fo two played seventeen. Likewe talked about this, this roster is
raiser thin, raiser thin. Soyeah, Ledbetter playing fifty snaps, Kevin
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Strong playing fifties snaps, Dante Still'splaying eighteen, Dante Still's playing his first
NFL game, and then Eric Banksplaying his what fourth or fifth NFL game?
Like you're I'm just I'm sorry,You're not going to beat teams,
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Like it's just not going to happen. And at the end of the day,
I applaud, applaud, applaud whatJonathan Ganna and Nick Rolis have done.
But at the end of the daytoo, they're hamstrung with talent.
Like that's just that's just the realityof it. Yeah, offensively, Dobbs,
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like, what is what is itwith the second half? For like,
and and even then it was theywere good on that first drive and
then average everything stopped. Was thatmore play calling, like, was that
more coaching or was that more playersletting up a little bit or simply I
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think it's a combination, yeah,because I mean, I mean, that's
that's what I said. It is, like you break down what Dobbs did.
He looked really good. Uh andthen all of a sudden he couldn't,
like he said, he couldn't doanything. You know, it's getting
there, That's what I said.It's just it's just getting there. It's
taking time. I mean, Ithought, Tray McBride, you know,
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look good. Zach Ertz looked okay, the arts moved much better than than
he did in the Fish game.I mean, and you you joked about
it. I think on Twitter,Yes, I think I think it was
in the great chat. It lookedlike it looked like Urts is gonna be
on on pace for one hundred catchesfor five hundred yards. Yeah. And
then and then I think he jokedabout Kyante Ingram on Twitter that he had
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he finally had positive yards. Yes, yes, he is now at eight
carries for two yards this season,that too. So yeah, and so
it's just you know, it's tough, and you know, Amari de Mercado
doesn't really offer. Let's let's putit this way. If if Marky's Brown
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and Rondel Moore aren't making plays inspace, they have nothing explosive, nothing
like we know who and what JamesConnor is. He's not an explosive player.
He's a grinded up and he's greatat it. I don't want anybody
to think I'm saying this is ina negative way, but he doesn't have
the whole. He's not a homerun threat like he If he busts into
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the open field, you're gonna hecan get twenty yards right, and he's
gonna get chased down from behind.But you look at it, Trey McBride
is, you know, kind ofa possession guy. Zach Ertz is purely
a possession guy now, So likeall of a sudden when it's you know,
de Mercado and Michael Wilson and TreyMcBride and Zach Kurtz on the field
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together, you're like, oh,like that's just that's just the reality,
because it's like all right, andyou know, it's just it's just one
of those things that it's unfortunate.But you know, against the team,
like even a even a team that'sprobably only gonna win six games all year,
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that's you know, that's still betterthan what this iteration of the Cardinals
is. I mean literally, yourtwo best players, Kyler Murray and Buddha
Baker are not in this game.I mean, if you take away Daniel
Jones on offense and Dexter Lawrence ondefense and you put Buddha Baker and Kyler
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Murray back in, the Cardinals arefavored by six. Yeah. Probably,
like and so that's just what itis, like you just at the end
of the day against even average toslightly below average teams, this this team
lacks too much talent to be ableto play poorly in the in the second
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half. Coming on next on thereceips here At podcast Best of Cardinals Talk
on the Web. Let's talk aboutlook good things because it wasn't all bad
by all the means. That's comingnext on recips. He read We're back
on the Rise of here read podcastbesto of Cardinals Talk on the Web.
There were good things. There weredefinitely good There's a special in the first
half, And I think I thinkone of the things was how much josh
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Dobbs is and during himself to teamhis teammates, like teammates are legitimately rooting
for him, to kind of believein him. And and in the first
half he looked like a competent quarterback, which was very nice to see.
He was. It was more thandnks and dunks. He made some nice
timing throws. He did missearchs downthe field and that that's two weeks in
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a row. That that's a missedtouchdown. He had the hit stick touchdown
run. There was a lot,there was a lot to like about what
Dobbs played. You kind of feellike that probably was his ceiling, right,
Like what he did in the firsthalf was basically the absolute best we'll
ever get from Joshua Dobbs. Yeah, that's probably the best you'll ever see
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Dobbs play. And you know that'sagain against against you know, we'll preview
this on Thursday, but against theCowboys, that's a that's a twenty seven
to like fourteen type of game,right and the negative right, like maybe
you get seventeen, but like that'sthe type of game that is like you're
not gonna get twenty eight and soand so that's what you have to look
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at, Like, you can't youcan't expect more from Dobbs. You can
expect more from other players and andhope that Dobbs is able to hold up
enough. And just you know,I wasn't. I was disappointed more than
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I was surprised. Does that makesense? Yeah? Yeah, uh I
thought, you know, and I'mgonna I will recant what I said about
Dabbs the playmaker, because guess whathe showed. He showed you can make
plays. He can make plays withhis legs, he made some plays with
his arm and and I think whatwe saw on Sunday was Okay, I
will concede he was probably a betteroption than Culte McCoy if he if he
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can play to the because Culte McCoyquote McCoy wouldn't have played better than Dobbs
played the first half. That wasbest case scenario for any non Kyler Murray
quarterback than what we were going tosee. And we saw that, which
was it was so optimistic. It'sjust that how how quickly it it fell
apart after that first drive in thethird quarter. And then defensively, but
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and and and I liked again,you know, I liked defensively the pressure
they were getting in the first half. They got the turnover. You know,
note three of my prop bets.Three of the prop bets came true.
Daniel Jones, the over on therushing total, the Daniel Jones interception
total, and then Matt Prador overfive and a half points. So three
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of my four prop bets. Evelydidn't hit Wisconnor in his receiving yards then,
so there were different that that's nota pop So that's just that has
nothing to do with the game.That's just making me sound smart. Bro.
We made so much money if peopletelled us. I even wrote about
it, like we made like wehit two plus money numbers. That's crazy,
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Like I don't think people realize.And if you parlayed all three of
those, yeah, that was.That was like a huge day at the
office. And that's what I triedto tell people. It was like every
once in a while, you know, you should follow us on these things
we write. We both write aweekly prop bet and and you know,
to get those numbers. And asI said, like the Jones on on
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DraftKings was plus one fifty the prayer, I had him over one and a
half field goals made, which isover five and a half points. You
know, I know extra points countsfield goals, but I had them over
one a half field goals made.That was plus one twenty. So like
those are like I don't think peoplerealize how much those payout. Well.
And then you know, I gotgreedy personally because my I've now through two
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weeks of my underdog column for sportsbook chir I'm six and oh on those
picks. But I did get greedyon the column. I wasn't brave enough
to call for the Cardinals on themoney line for the Giants, but I
did personally wager the Cardinals money lineon the Giants, and I was disappointed
because I thought I thought for surethey were gonna win that game. They
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thought they were, but at thesame time, I didn't think I was
expecting Bododha to play. I wasexpecting Bodody to play. I was expecting
Lucky to play. And so whenyou go into that game with you you
were down five defensive starters. Thatwas that was less than less than optimal
for defensive starters. You entered thegame with that. So they no Buddha,
no Lecky, no Josh Woods,no LJ. Collier because he has
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and then you lost Carlos Watkins Walks. Yeah, so yeah, that was
were By the way, anybody that'swondering, that's a plus nine hundred and
fifty parlay, like Jess and Iwould have paid for a week of of
groceries for you. Yeah. Otherpositives. I mean, you look at
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I thought they played like they playedwell in front of the home crowd.
They played well in for the wholecrowd, except then the second half happened.
I like, but that's not thethat's not the part I when I
focused on is that as well?In the second half they then when when
New York down, when it scored, they went and responded. So they
had the twenty nothing to lead goingin a halftime, they give it the
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touchdown. Then they bounced back immediatelyscore the touchdown, get the two point
converse to go up twenty eight seven. That was that was great. It
was just everything went downhill from there. You know, maybe just simply put,
they played probably I guess it's probablythe first thing to say up till
that up you know, the endof the first half, they played as
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perfect a game as you could expectfrom this iteration of the Cardinals. Yeah,
and that's and that's you know,the expectation. And that's the thing
is, you know, it kindof sucked that they they blew that in
the first half and they and likeyou said, the first or the their
first offensive drive and then couldn't doanything after that. But you know it's
not unexpected because sustainability again comes withguys, right like it comes with talent.
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You know. I thought, Ithought, you know, if you
look at this and the as atale of two halves, I thought,
the offensive line in the first halflook good. I think you have to
be extremely and it's probably gonna comecrashing is probably a strong word, but
it's probably going to come back tobuy this statement. But you have to
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be super excited about Paris Johnson.You know he does. He looks so
good there. Now the next twoweeks are going to be no different.
Mikel Part like that. Micah Parson, We're gonna talk about the next show.
But oh my gosh, Paris Johnson, Michael Micah Parson, wats up?
Granted you probably like the where MicahParsons is an extreme disruptor is the
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way that they stunt him so hedoesn't he doesn't know. There's a lot
of times he will not simply justgo up and rush against that right tackle.
They're moving him around, which makeshim even harder to harder. But
yeah, that's that's for Thursday's show. Yeah, Paris looks so good.
He looks really good. DJ DJlooked good. I think Hernandez was fine.
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But yeah, Wilkinson, that waswe're talking supposed to be talking about
the good Elijah Wilkinson, two fallstars in a rowe. That was that
was dumb. That was dumb.Well, that's just again, that's just
a guy that understands that he's outmanned. And that's you know, I'm
not saying that's on the coaches oranything like that or the you know,
but it's just at the end ofthe day, like Elijah Wilkinson's going,
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Oh man, Desha Lawrence has beenkicking my butt like I gotta, I
gotta make sure I'm ready for this, and and he just I mean,
he wasn't. Let's be honest,he wasn't and it showed up. I
mean, we'll talk about them inthe in the worst players of the game,
but are like the you know,the things that didn't look good.
But like when you have two starterson both sides, on either side of
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the ball that are as bad asWilkinson and Wilson were, like, it's
just like it's very very hard towin games. Like you can get away
with Lucky Foe to playing his fifteensnaps and playing that poorly, or a
Jesse Lucatta or something like that,you know, and still didn't particularly play
well, But you can't two primetimestarters. You can't. You can't win
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games that way, you know.I think again, it wasn't as good
as the first game, and wedidn't expect it to be, right,
Like we did not expect the passrush to be great. But I was
disappointed, you know that they weren'table to do a little more. Kaisier
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White had a sack this game,you know, I Guardac had a sack,
and then did Watkins have a sackbefore he left injured? No,
Watkins had his sack last week.So Guardic had one and then and then
Collins had one. Yeah, Collinshad a half sack. Split is what
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that ended up looking like. Letme pull the stat sheet up, because
it was it did look like itwas. It was he and and demckagy
got half a sack, and thenand Kaiser had the other one. So
he and mckage got credit for thehalf sack on that one. And you
have to again acknowledge the offensive linethey had zero sacks, like so that's
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a plus. But at the youknow, when things started to go bad,
you started to see the he didend up getting hit six times,
jobs did. Yeah, yeah,and that was mostly in the second half,
and it was it was Deshel Lawrenceand O'Shane zim Zimine. I'm gonna
butcher that that that guy the otherguy, yeah, Zimins. Yeah,
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So you know, they had theyhad a field day basically in the second
half. And again, the heartthe disheartening thing about that was those weren't
like those weren't like plays where you'relike, or I shouldn't say plays,
but those were situations where you're like, oh, it's okay if we don't
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get this, because you know,we're ahead by three touchdowns, but then
you don't get it, and you'relike, there would have been you know,
that would have been a nice beena nice play, and it just
it was interesting that they were justthey struggled at those at that time when
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usually, I mean usually when you'replaying from behind, yes, there is
a desperation from the other side,but there's also a feeling or a a
calmness from the winning team, rightthat like like, okay, we don't
have to panic, And it justseemed like it was almost too much.
It was almost like it was like, oh, we've got this, like
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it's three touchdowns, and then thesense of urgency was lacking. That's that's
probably the best way to put it. They lacked a sense of urgency because
it seemed like in the first half, especially like they were like, hey,
let's keep building this lead, let'skeep putting it on them, and
it just felt like a different teamin the first half. And then they
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came out, got punched in themouth, and they kind of looked around
like it was almost like a questionof can we sustain this as opposed to,
hey, guys, you know it'sone series, Like it's no big
deal, you know what I'm saying, Like I think that one we have
to kind of lay on pet singbecause and I kent Summer is gonna mention
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it. But you know, theywere coaching scared not to lose a lead,
and that's exactly what they did.And I know the success that they
had was really predicated on month Palm, the fact that they were they were
able to move the ball in therun game, and they were getting explosive
place from James Connor and that gotbottled up. But they also they also
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stopped kind of yeah, it's everythingshut down. And I'm gonna credit to
two guys like Destin Lars because itfelt like he was a non factor in
the first half, and as Iwas watching as things happen in the fourth
quarter, it felt like he wasblowing things up and he didn't have a
you know, a massive statistical game. He finished with what four total tackles,
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two quarterback hits, a tackle forloss, and I bet that that
was primarily in in a fact,I can kind of check, Oh,
they only show so he depth,he didn't reach that total in the first
half. That most of those statscame in the second half, because you
know, you can look at thatno one had so they don't show anyone
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that that would had three tackles andmore so his production came in the second
half. So I'm gonna go withthat. But yeah, that's you know
it was. It gave you hope, and we'll talk about this. But
this is not the worst team inthe league. And I'm still a little
bitter because Touchdown Wires and Poweranks hashad them thirty two all like you're not
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watching the games, like, yes, they are an old they are an
ower and two team. Everyone expectedthat. But look at the football they're
playing. They're not playing terrible football. They're playing over man they're they're under
manned and they're getting effort. Butthe Bears look completely lost, the Texans
look atrocious. The Panthers don't looklike they know how to do anything.
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This is not the worst team infootball. They're they're in a better place.
They're in a better place than peoplethink that they're at well. And
the thing is, the unfortunate thingis that they're they have a terrible schedule.
Oh my gosh, yeah, we'regonna get to that. We're gonna
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get that. And so that Ithink plays in two things is because they're
like, well, they didn't winthose two games, which were probably their
most winnable games until you know,Week ten and so and so people are
like, oh, they're the worstteam in football, and it's like,
well, they might have the worstrecord in football, but like, are
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we basing it off the record orare we basic? And let's be honest,
a lot of people aren't watching theCardinals either. We're really only crazy
people doing that because they're their Cardinalsgames aren't getting shown anywhere other than the
you know, regional I think Ithink we also need to just mention real
quick on on some positives. Youknow, Marquis had nine for eighty two,
yes, and a touchdown. ZachErtz had had he's very Larry Fitzgerald
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two thousand, was it fifteen sixteen, but he's got he had twelve for
seventy seven, and then uh,you know, oh sorry, not in
the game. Sorry, that's obvious. Yeah, yeah, but that's very
Larry Fitzgerald, right right, right, Like I was saying he's gonna have
one hundred catches for five hundred yards, right, I mean she's he's like
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he already like he's got twelve catchesand he's just gotta stay healthy. Remember
Ezackerts, in eleven games two yearsago, tied the Cardinals franchise single season
record for tighten for tight end receptionswith fifty seven and eleven games last year,
he'd have shot, he's gonna havethat by he's gonna have that by
three quarters of the weight through theseason. He's gonna have eighty catches this
year. And he had six forfifty six in the game. So he
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had a great game. Yeah,that game. And and mind you,
he was wide open down the fieldlike Dobbs just playing missed and that would
have been that would have been adude, a touchdown. That would have
been big. And that would havebeen early too, because that's the one
they missed the field goal on.Yeah, yeah, they would have had
a freaking twenty seven lead, twentyseven and nothing lead in the first half.
That would have been stupid. Yeah, but stupid. You know,
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it ends up being what it is. And but yeah, I was good
to see you know, Marquis hadsix for fifty four. But that's the
thing is, like you have explosiveguys like Marquis and Rondell, but like
again, that's where Dobbs struggles,right, he struggles to get the ball
into explosive hands. And so that'sthat's why you kind of see things play
out like they did in the game. Yeah, coming to next on the
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Red podcast, mister Cardinals talking theWeb. Let's talk about the injuries.
It's it's it's impacting them and it'sgonna impact and moving forward. That's coming
to next one. Rise ups youread We're back on the Rise of Creed
podcasts, Best Cardinals talk on theWeb. Injuries. Cardinals really couldn't afford
to have injuries and now they've gotthem. Here here's the status that we
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know. LJ Cal you're hit,injured, reserve his season's basic, Like
we can assume his season is done. Biceps injury surgery needed, it's gonna
be a long he won't be backthen. Lecky fo two is out has
a shoulder injury, Josh Woods outwith an angle injury. Carlos Watkin's biceps
injury. We have to watch thatbecause biceps injuries. Those are tricky in
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our Yeah, it just depends onseverity of tails. If you need if
you need surgery done, you're done. Which would really really be difficult because
who are the two defensive linemen thatwe were hope, like basically counting on
some one Watkins we felt was Watkinsby far the most accomplished defensive lineman on
the team, and then call therewho had the most potential to be decent
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done? Done? And now BuddhaBaker and a hamstring on injured reserve gonna
miss the next four games. That'sthat's a tough blow, and that's that's
a frustrating thing because remember remember bododhedtalking about the offseason and how he never
wanted to miss games again. Buthe's after one week, tweeks, his
hamstring does something his hamstring and inin practice and boom, now he's out
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for the next month. Yeah,and that's just unfortunate. And this is
a team that we talked about.It's razor thin. It played a huge
you know result in this game andthe loss, and it's gonna impact them
for the next three weeks, fourweeks, whatever however long. Bood is
out. So it's just you know, it's it's an unfortunate reality that this
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team is going to have to continueto fight and deal with as they try
to get back into a good spot, as they fight and claw to compete,
because the next two weeks are goingto be ugly. I mean,
it's just and if they're gonna bein games, and we'll talk about this
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on Thursday, they're gonna have tomake them ugly. Yeah, I mean
we're talking. Well, look aboutthat defensive line. We didn't think this
defensive line was gonna be We werereally concerned about the defensive line with Collier
in Watkins. Now take Collier andWatkins out. Now you're looking you're looking
at a starting lineup if Lucky's backthis week of Jonathan Ledbetter, Lucky Foe
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two and either Kevin Strong or DanteStills or maybe maybe they rather than playing
Still as they bring up Eric Bates. But oh my gosh, that's that's
not a defensive line you can youcan even begin to trust, and and
and it kind of goes against kindof what they you know, Stills and
Banks. They didn't want to playthem, they didn't want to play them.
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Well, I think they played themprobably about the amount that they wanted
to play them. The issue wasis that Strong and and Ledbetter had to
play far more. They had toplay far more than that they expected to.
They kind of want I bet I'mguessing they probably want them in the
thirty five to forty maxing out interms of snaps like they did in week
one, and then you know,without Buddha obviously obviously that's huge. I
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do think that they did get decentplay from their safety trio, and we
did learn that even with boot out, guess what JT J Jalen Thompsons can
continue. He will be their slot, their their nickelback playing in the slot.
And now they're going to rely onCavan Wallace and and Andre Sassery,
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which is less than ideal, butat minimum, both Wallace and Sashery are
sound in terms of knowledge of thedefense, which means in terms of safety
play, which is what you needyour your you know, your back end
to not bust coverages. And sowhile they may not be playmakers, they
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will not be the reason or shouldn'tbe the reason that they make major mistakes.
No, but that we've seen ittwo weeks in a row, especially
with Wallace, is he just astep slow athletically, and that's why he's
you know, a guy that wasavailable when he was available and how he
was available, and that's what youyou it's amazing about Buddhoo. Like you
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watch him play, everyone talks abouthis place being. You know what that
is is that he understand like hisunderstanding of angles, his athleticism and how
he diagnoses a play. When yousee him move, what you will never
see him do is hesitate and misstep. You know, see him hesitate or
misstep like he knows the angle he'ssupposed to to do to take. And
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he's a missile. And you don'tsee that from you don't see that with
that sort of play speed. Youmight see a slower reaction time, you
might see a slower reaction time,but like you see it from Buddha immediately
and then he is an absolute missile. There's there's no way to replace that,
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no, and it's just you know, it's tough, and you know
the injuries are what they are.You can't you can't dwell on them,
but you can understand that they're goingto play a massive role and how this
team ends up looking over the courseof the next you know, four weeks
at least, and and understand thatit's going to play a massive role in
their ability to be competitive because youknow, for as much as everybody was
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joking or saying this team was tanking, they weren't tanking. But it's also
obvious that at this point that theywere hoping that these guys stayed healthy because
they were going cheap, which isa form of tanking, and instead now
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they just don't have any I don'twant to say any because that's you know,
discrediting these guys, but they lacka lot of talent. And and
you know, one more thing onthat when you look at it, and
obviously it's two games in, sothings are going to change by the buckets
over the next you know, sixteenweeks of the season. The good thing
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is that with h with Denver orsorry, with Carolina and Houston also being
incredibly incredibly bad, that the Cardinalsand Bears are like, hey, we're
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a good spot, right at leastwe didn't trade for those guys. It's
and it's also interesting that the guythat everybody wanted the Cardinals to hire,
and a guy you and I bothwere high on in Sean Payton. He
right now has the first overall pickin the draft right coming next on the
res of here at podcast, bestour Cardinals talking, let's look at the
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schedule. When do we think theCardinals will get their first game? The
first win that's coming next? Andrise ups he read, we're back on
the res of here at podcast,But our Cardinals talk on the web.
The Cardinals hopefully like if it lookslike it's probably gonna be that that their
cards are gonna win a game Tillkylergets back unless something weird happens. But
let's let's look at the schedule.Okay, they had a couple of tough
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games early on. Obviously, Washingtona physical team, the Giant's coming off
a playoff year. But look atthis stretch of games. Week three at
home against the Dallas Cowboys. Weekfour on the road against the San Francisco
forty nine ers. Week five athome against the Cincinna Any Bengals. Week
six on the road against the Rams, who look much better than anyone expected.
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Week seven they are on the roadagainst Seattle. Then week eight they
are at home against the Baltimore Ravens. Week nine on the road Cleveland,
Week ten at home against the AtlantaFalcons and then on week eleven they hit
the road to play Houston. Thatit is not completely out of the realm
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of possibility of them going being ohand ten going into Houston. Do I
think they're gonna be O and ten? No, But kit no, there's
no way to We're definitely saying there'sno way to predict. We're we No
one know, even a crazy personwouldn't pick the Cardinals to beat the Cowboys,
right, No, I think youkind of pencil in. Obviously,
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it's the NFL. Anything can happenedin any week. That's why there's been
one undefeated team in the history ofthe game. But I think he pencil
and losses in Week three and fourand they look still good and Cincinnati doesn't
look good. But Joe Burrowed willcome alive in the second half against Baltimore.
But there also is talk that hecould be missing for the next couple
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of weeks with that kaff reinjured.I have a feeling that's just hullabaloo because
he's been awful after signing the biggestcontract in the history of the NFL.
But you know, if he isJoe Goodberry who I think has been with
sp Nation and kind of does hisown thing now. He said, if
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he was to miss, you know, it could be two weeks, and
then if it's as serious as somepeople think, it could be eight weeks,
which means they would put him onthe IR. So something to watch
because week five you look at itand and you know, like you said,
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if Burrows there and they're they're finallytracking in the right direction, okay,
you know, you kind of whatever. But if they if they have,
if Burrow ends up on the IR, that's a game at home.
That that that's when it please please, And that would be maybe Kyler's return
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maybe right maybe, And then andthen, like you said, at LA
and Seattle, both teams are not, both teams are equal to eat one
another. But the road NFC Westgames you have and and and La looks
way better anyone expected, right andwithout Cooper Cup and without Cooper Cup,
look at that Pooka Nkua, aguy that we talked about leading into the
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draft, who wouldn't been a nicepickup. He's got twenty what twenty four
catches in two games. That's arookie record. Two to at Well had
one hundred nineteen yards in a weekone, he at seven for seventy seven
and a week two. The Ramsare getting big production from two guys that
no one expected to produce. Andthat's no Cooper cup cam Acres. It's
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apparently on his way out. Andyeah, and they you know, thank
you, thank you Sean McVeigh forcalling for that last second field goal to
go from a ten point game toa seven point game because I covered the
spread on that one. I don'tknow why they did that, but I
thank you And I was the opposite, so you know, screw screw screw.
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But yeah, and then and thenyou know, Seattle, like you
said, like they're not as goodas we expected, but they're also,
you know, still better than theCardinals. And then Baltimore just looks re
energized with the return or with theaddition of Todd Monk, and they're hurting.
So it's gonna be interesting to see. But they're all, I mean,
they're always just I mean, they'reyou penciled them in for nine wins
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every year and then just kind ofgo from there, right like that's just
who they are. And so thenyou get to then you get to act
Cleveland Cleveland. They're just I mean, they're good, They're really good defensively,
They're they're good defensively. But DeshaunWatson, you know, I this
is what I text a buddy,uh last night, So we record Tuesday
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night obviously, and then but soI text my buddy on on Monday night
and I said, obviously you haveto see him back and see if he's
healthy and everything. But I can'timagine watching those four teams play last night,
the the the Panthers and the Saintsand then the Steelers and the Browns
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and anybody definitively being like it's youknow, you have to you have to
move on from Kyler Murray because BryceYoung doesn't look good, hope. You
know, Derek car is incredibly averageand he's being paid a whole lot of
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money. Kenny Pickett does not lookgood. And Deshaun Watson looks like hot
dog breath like like and he's gotthe richest guaranteed contract in NFL history,
like and the Browns, oh,the Texans their first round pick this year,
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like this is it. It canget worse, like you could whether
or not, you know, youthink Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes
whatever, Like there's literally no guarantee. So unless you're like, hey,
we're getting Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allenor Lamar Jack like one of the guaranteed
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better quarterbacks than Kyler mur in theleague. Like, I'm just not quick
to be like, yeah, yougotta move on. It's just how how
bad the quarterback play has been throughtwo weeks. And we talked about it,
even even Joe Burrow. I mean, Joe Burrow has looked awful the
first two weeks of the season.There's not I saw a stat and it's
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really kind of a funny stat.They call it the I want to make
sure I get it right, soit's called the guppy quarterback. I think
he wanted to say something else,but he's trying to be nice. But
they call it the guppy quarterback.And it is a dot which is average
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depth of target multiplied by average timeto throw. So the league average is
around eighteen. Joe Burrow is atnine. Oh my gosh, so he
is he is literally terrified to throwthe ball down the field. And and
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it shows, like if you watchthat Bengals Ravens game, the amount of
passes behind the line of scrimmage wouldmake Cliff Kingsbury blush. And let's be
honest, the Bengals probably were wentinto the season with what many people perceived
as the best wide receiver group inthe NFL, and so it's you know,
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all of that is to say,like, let's just not be like
you gotta move on because it can'twork. Cardinals fans, we shouldn't know
better than anybody. It can getworse, like it's not a guarantee.
Last year, which was a crapshow, got worse against New England.
Remember that it got worse against NewEngland. And then after Kyler Murray got
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hurt, they went to Mexico andoh no, I guess that was before
that. So yeah, it wasa bad season. They have a coach
allegedly grow up a woman in Mexico, fire him. Then Kyler Murray gets
hurt. Then oh my gosh.Well, and here's here's one last thing
on that. Ask yourself, withoutwithout Kyler Murray, how many games they've
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won since Kyler Murray got injured.They're they're oh and seven since Kyler Murray
got injured. So okay, solet's let's do this through Week ten.
Okay, let's set the let's setthe the over under at one and a
half wins. Do the Cardinals doyou take the over or the under on
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that total? Still not knowing whichweek Kyler comes back that between now and
when they play the Houston Texans inweek eleven, is it more than is
it over or under one and ahalf wins? I would take the under.
I think they can win one game. I think they can beat the
Falcons and the Browns with Murray,I don't know if they and I'm trying
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to think. I think we hadbecause I had them starting one and seven.
So if I'm gonna go with myprediction, I'm gonna say over and
they'll win two games. I don'tknow when that first week is gonna come.
I don't win the first wains andways win's gonna come. But you
know, stranger things have happened.But yeah, but this stretch and when
we talk about the Dallas game,this is gonna be it's gonna be a
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laugher because who that game is tough. San Francis is gonna be tough.
It'll be San Francis will be boring, tough. The Bengals question mark the
Rams question mark, Seattle question mark, but at least not laughable. Baltimore
looks like, well, if Kyler'sback, that'll be fun. Cleveland's question
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mark, Atlanta's full. You know, you don't believe, you don't believe
in what Atlanta is right now?You can't. Well, I mean they're
they're a team that plays kind ofhow the Cardinals do and they're just again
more a little more talent. They'rejust better. There's just a little better.
All right with that, let's wrapup this edition to the Rise of
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Seth, we are breaking down thisthis game did I thought, I'm like,
oh my gosh, this is thegame that the Cardinals can win,
And for one half of play we'relike, oh, yeah, okay,
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this is not the worst team inthe league. And I still don't think
it's the worst team in the league, no matter what people are saying,
like just you watch the football,Chicago Bears are worse, the Houston Texans
are worse, The Carolina Panthers areworse the Cardinals. The Cardinals are not
the worst team in football, butthen they did a worst team in football
type thing, losing the second halfthirty one to eight. What in the
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world, let's start with that.In this edition of the show, we're
gonna talk about We're gonna talk about, well, what the heck happened?
There was good. We're gonna talkabout injury impact and you know, looking
at the schedule, where are theygoing to get that first twin? So
seth what happened on Sunday? Youknow, I wrote about it a little
(01:56):
bit, and at the end ofthe day, you know, there's a
saying it's uh, it's Jimmy's andJoe's and not exes and Oh's and and
that's kind of what came to fruition, right, like the team with just
more talent one out. You know, you look at it. The the
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New York Giants on defense have DestroLawrence, Leonard Williams, Cavon Thibodeaux.
You know there Deontay Banks and andXavian McKinney and Dory Jackson and then and
then their linebackers with with Bobby Oka, Ricky and and and and who is
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their other good linebacker McFadden. Right, that's the other guy. And you
know, those guys are just youknow, a lot of a lot of
them are just better than a lotof the guys on the Cardinals offense.
You know, Elijah Wilkinson had anotheryou know, so so game, and
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that's probably being generous. I mean, I think he had two penalties and
gave up a sack and this oneyell the froll Holt again. You know,
he's the snaps are good, he'sdecent and run blocking, but he
and he and Wilkinson really both arestruggling in pass pro. And so you
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know that allows a guy like DesterLawrence just to kind of take over a
game. And you know, Italked about it. I don't know if
we talked about on the podcast orI think we did, but you know
I wrote about it. I said, if you can take one player from
the Giants and put him on theCardinals, it's Dester Lawrence with a bullet
like that guy is just a gamerecord and you saw it right like he
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was just phenomenal, and it justI mean, it's and and Josh Dobbs
played the best game of his careerand it's still really wasn't enough. And
that's just I mean, and that'swhat it comes down to, is you
know, when the when the otherteam has the superior talent at a number
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of positions, it just it's gonnawent out that way. And that's I
think that's how it went down.And you know, I think if I
told you, you know, wedidn't know when the when the podcast we
recorded on Thursday night and obviously youposted Friday, we didn't know that it
was for sure Buddha Baker wasn't gonnaplay. So if I would have told
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you that boot no Buddha Baker,you would have been like, oh,
they're gonna lose, Like there wouldhave even been a question right, like
they're gonna lose, and that Imean, it just kind of came out
like that's unfortunately what happened. Andyou look at it, and you know,
I thought, especially scheme wise,they looked great in the first half
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and the second half the the Giantsmade adjustments and the Cardinals couldn't counter those
adjustments because again they just don't havethe talent to do so, and things
got like they haven't been able.So that those are two games they should
have won. And these are somenumbers I got, so I could have
put them together, but Howard ballsare over at phn X he put them
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together already. So these are somereally bad These are some really bad numbers.
When it comes to the fourth quarter. If we take out the the
three plays in the final nineteen secondsof the game that included you know,
Michael Wilson's nineteen yards, and thenafter that it was nothing. The So
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the Cardinals have run twenty four fourthquarter plays for forty two yards. Josh
Dobbs in two games is seven foureleven for twenty five yards in the fourth
quarter. James Conner, he hisfinal six rushes totalled three yards. And
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it's like things just stopped. Offensively, things that they were doing well just
stopped. They were moving the ballwell, they were running the ball well,
you know, and and even therewere there were a couple of plays
that you wish that had back.If if if Dobbs doesn't just playing miss
a wide open Zach Ertz, thatwould have been a touchdown. The game's
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over. You can also look atyou know, you know, Matt Praytor
missing a fifty five yard You can'texpect that out of him, like,
fifty five yards are gonna get misssometime. You know that that was a
difference maker in the game. Butit's like everything that went well, You're
you're looking at, oh, look, this is the best case scenario,
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so the Cardinals can be and andat the same time, I was looking
at the Giant saying, see,I told you they're not that good.
And then they put thirty one pointsup on the second half. Daniel Jones
looked great. Basically the Cardinals couldn'tdo anything defensively and then well, and
it doesn't help. And I knowwe're gonna get to it, but it
doesn't help when your number one corneris literally the worst player underneath. Oh
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my goodness, Yeah, Marco did. Marco did not look good periods.
That might have been the worst gamehe's played as a as a professional,
Like that was legitimately an awful game. Yeah, and you know what happened,
Marco was bad. They can't wellAnd that's the thing, Jonathan gat
like the one thing you cannot giveup slow SIPs And when you get toasted
for a fifty yard fifty eight yardbomb down the field early in the game
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like this is you were getting prettysolid play from everyone across the board defensively,
and then you eat Marco just he'dlaid an egg. It was just
there was nothing good about that gamethat he did. You know, they
they got a turnover, they gotthree first half sacks, but guess what
they didn't get in a second half. They didn't get to Daniel Jones in
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the second half. It's like everything, It's like they played as well as
they could play in the first halfand then they reverted to basically exactly what
they were offensively against Washington in thesecond half, only they stopped being a
good defensive team. Yeah, andthat's just I mean, but you also
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mentioned it. Carlos Watkins is youryou know, your number two interior defensive
lineman. Right after after LJ Carliers, So Alji Callier's probably done for the
season with a with a bicep unfortunate, just you know what it is,
and hit the guy the other youknow, free agent splash or whatever you
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want to call it. You know, the biggest presence in the middle,
Carlos Watkins. He goes down.You know, Lecky photos out that game
and so all of a sudden,it's you know, and this isn't a
shot, but this is you know, we talked about a game one,
the fantastic, how fantastic the rotationwas, right, They Kevin Strong and
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Johnathan Ledbetter had to play most ofthe game. They played fifty snaps each
and then no one else played morethan what was it like twenty Yeah,
well, and you look at it. I mean they lost seventy or sorry
sorry, hold on, hold on, I gotta get this right. They
lost eighty seven snaps combined between well, I guess we'll call it seventy seven
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because Watkins got ten snaps and theylost seventy seven snaps from the first game
because LJ. Collier played thirty seven, Carl's Watkins played thirty three, and
Lucky fo two played seventeen. Likewe talked about this, this roster is
raiser thin, raiser thin. Soyeah, Ledbetter playing fifty snaps, Kevin
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Strong playing fifties snaps, Dante Still'splaying eighteen, Dante Still's playing his first
NFL game, and then Eric Banksplaying his what fourth or fifth NFL game?
Like you're I'm just I'm sorry,You're not going to beat teams,
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Like it's just not going to happen. And at the end of the day,
I applaud, applaud, applaud whatJonathan Ganna and Nick Rolis have done.
But at the end of the daytoo, they're hamstrung with talent.
Like that's just that's just the realityof it. Yeah, offensively, Dobbs,
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like, what is what is itwith the second half? For like,
and and even then it was theywere good on that first drive and
then average everything stopped. Was thatmore play calling, like, was that
more coaching or was that more playersletting up a little bit or simply I
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think it's a combination, yeah,because I mean, I mean, that's
that's what I said. It is, like you break down what Dobbs did.
He looked really good. Uh andthen all of a sudden he couldn't,
like he said, he couldn't doanything. You know, it's getting
there, That's what I said.It's just it's just getting there. It's
taking time. I mean, Ithought, Tray McBride, you know,
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look good. Zach Ertz looked okay, the arts moved much better than than
he did in the Fish game.I mean, and you you joked about
it. I think on Twitter,Yes, I think I think it was
in the great chat. It lookedlike it looked like Urts is gonna be
on on pace for one hundred catchesfor five hundred yards. Yeah. And
then and then I think he jokedabout Kyante Ingram on Twitter that he had
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he finally had positive yards. Yes, yes, he is now at eight
carries for two yards this season,that too. So yeah, and so
it's just you know, it's tough, and you know, Amari de Mercado
doesn't really offer. Let's let's putit this way. If if Marky's Brown
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and Rondel Moore aren't making plays inspace, they have nothing explosive, nothing
like we know who and what JamesConnor is. He's not an explosive player.
He's a grinded up and he's greatat it. I don't want anybody
to think I'm saying this is ina negative way, but he doesn't have
the whole. He's not a homerun threat like he If he busts into
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the open field, you're gonna hecan get twenty yards right, and he's
gonna get chased down from behind.But you look at it, Trey McBride
is, you know, kind ofa possession guy. Zach Ertz is purely
a possession guy now, So likeall of a sudden when it's you know,
de Mercado and Michael Wilson and TreyMcBride and Zach Kurtz on the field
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together, you're like, oh,like that's just that's just the reality,
because it's like all right, andyou know, it's just it's just one
of those things that it's unfortunate.But you know, against the team,
like even a even a team that'sprobably only gonna win six games all year,
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that's you know, that's still betterthan what this iteration of the Cardinals
is. I mean literally, yourtwo best players, Kyler Murray and Buddha
Baker are not in this game.I mean, if you take away Daniel
Jones on offense and Dexter Lawrence ondefense and you put Buddha Baker and Kyler
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Murray back in, the Cardinals arefavored by six. Yeah. Probably,
like and so that's just what itis, like you just at the end
of the day against even average toslightly below average teams, this this team
lacks too much talent to be ableto play poorly in the in the second
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half. Coming on next on thereceips here At podcast Best of Cardinals Talk
on the Web. Let's talk aboutlook good things because it wasn't all bad
by all the means. That's comingnext on recips. He read We're back
on the Rise of here read podcastbesto of Cardinals Talk on the Web.
There were good things. There weredefinitely good There's a special in the first
half, And I think I thinkone of the things was how much josh
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Dobbs is and during himself to teamhis teammates, like teammates are legitimately rooting
for him, to kind of believein him. And and in the first
half he looked like a competent quarterback, which was very nice to see.
He was. It was more thandnks and dunks. He made some nice
timing throws. He did missearchs downthe field and that that's two weeks in
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a row. That that's a missedtouchdown. He had the hit stick touchdown
run. There was a lot,there was a lot to like about what
Dobbs played. You kind of feellike that probably was his ceiling, right,
Like what he did in the firsthalf was basically the absolute best we'll
ever get from Joshua Dobbs. Yeah, that's probably the best you'll ever see
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Dobbs play. And you know that'sagain against against you know, we'll preview
this on Thursday, but against theCowboys, that's a that's a twenty seven
to like fourteen type of game,right and the negative right, like maybe
you get seventeen, but like that'sthe type of game that is like you're
not gonna get twenty eight and soand so that's what you have to look
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at, Like, you can't youcan't expect more from Dobbs. You can
expect more from other players and andhope that Dobbs is able to hold up
enough. And just you know,I wasn't. I was disappointed more than
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I was surprised. Does that makesense? Yeah? Yeah, uh I
thought, you know, and I'mgonna I will recant what I said about
Dabbs the playmaker, because guess whathe showed. He showed you can make
plays. He can make plays withhis legs, he made some plays with
his arm and and I think whatwe saw on Sunday was Okay, I
will concede he was probably a betteroption than Culte McCoy if he if he
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can play to the because Culte McCoyquote McCoy wouldn't have played better than Dobbs
played the first half. That wasbest case scenario for any non Kyler Murray
quarterback than what we were going tosee. And we saw that, which
was it was so optimistic. It'sjust that how how quickly it it fell
apart after that first drive in thethird quarter. And then defensively, but
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and and and I liked again,you know, I liked defensively the pressure
they were getting in the first half. They got the turnover. You know,
note three of my prop bets.Three of the prop bets came true.
Daniel Jones, the over on therushing total, the Daniel Jones interception
total, and then Matt Prador overfive and a half points. So three
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of my four prop bets. Evelydidn't hit Wisconnor in his receiving yards then,
so there were different that that's nota pop So that's just that has
nothing to do with the game.That's just making me sound smart. Bro.
We made so much money if peopletelled us. I even wrote about
it, like we made like wehit two plus money numbers. That's crazy,
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Like I don't think people realize.And if you parlayed all three of
those, yeah, that was.That was like a huge day at the
office. And that's what I triedto tell people. It was like every
once in a while, you know, you should follow us on these things
we write. We both write aweekly prop bet and and you know,
to get those numbers. And asI said, like the Jones on on
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DraftKings was plus one fifty the prayer, I had him over one and a
half field goals made, which isover five and a half points. You
know, I know extra points countsfield goals, but I had them over
one a half field goals made.That was plus one twenty. So like
those are like I don't think peoplerealize how much those payout. Well.
And then you know, I gotgreedy personally because my I've now through two
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weeks of my underdog column for sportsbook chir I'm six and oh on those
picks. But I did get greedyon the column. I wasn't brave enough
to call for the Cardinals on themoney line for the Giants, but I
did personally wager the Cardinals money lineon the Giants, and I was disappointed
because I thought I thought for surethey were gonna win that game. They
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thought they were, but at thesame time, I didn't think I was
expecting Bododha to play. I wasexpecting Bodody to play. I was expecting
Lucky to play. And so whenyou go into that game with you you
were down five defensive starters. Thatwas that was less than less than optimal
for defensive starters. You entered thegame with that. So they no Buddha,
no Lecky, no Josh Woods,no LJ. Collier because he has
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and then you lost Carlos Watkins Walks. Yeah, so yeah, that was
were By the way, anybody that'swondering, that's a plus nine hundred and
fifty parlay, like Jess and Iwould have paid for a week of of
groceries for you. Yeah. Otherpositives. I mean, you look at
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I thought they played like they playedwell in front of the home crowd.
They played well in for the wholecrowd, except then the second half happened.
I like, but that's not thethat's not the part I when I
focused on is that as well?In the second half they then when when
New York down, when it scored, they went and responded. So they
had the twenty nothing to lead goingin a halftime, they give it the
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touchdown. Then they bounced back immediatelyscore the touchdown, get the two point
converse to go up twenty eight seven. That was that was great. It
was just everything went downhill from there. You know, maybe just simply put,
they played probably I guess it's probablythe first thing to say up till
that up you know, the endof the first half, they played as
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perfect a game as you could expectfrom this iteration of the Cardinals. Yeah,
and that's and that's you know,the expectation. And that's the thing
is, you know, it kindof sucked that they they blew that in
the first half and they and likeyou said, the first or the their
first offensive drive and then couldn't doanything after that. But you know it's
not unexpected because sustainability again comes withguys, right like it comes with talent.
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You know. I thought, Ithought, you know, if you
look at this and the as atale of two halves, I thought,
the offensive line in the first halflook good. I think you have to
be extremely and it's probably gonna comecrashing is probably a strong word, but
it's probably going to come back tobuy this statement. But you have to
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be super excited about Paris Johnson.You know he does. He looks so
good there. Now the next twoweeks are going to be no different.
Mikel Part like that. Micah Parson, We're gonna talk about the next show.
But oh my gosh, Paris Johnson, Michael Micah Parson, wats up?
Granted you probably like the where MicahParsons is an extreme disruptor is the
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way that they stunt him so hedoesn't he doesn't know. There's a lot
of times he will not simply justgo up and rush against that right tackle.
They're moving him around, which makeshim even harder to harder. But
yeah, that's that's for Thursday's show. Yeah, Paris looks so good.
He looks really good. DJ DJlooked good. I think Hernandez was fine.
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But yeah, Wilkinson, that waswe're talking supposed to be talking about
the good Elijah Wilkinson, two fallstars in a rowe. That was that
was dumb. That was dumb.Well, that's just again, that's just
a guy that understands that he's outmanned. And that's you know, I'm
not saying that's on the coaches oranything like that or the you know,
but it's just at the end ofthe day, like Elijah Wilkinson's going,
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Oh man, Desha Lawrence has beenkicking my butt like I gotta, I
gotta make sure I'm ready for this, and and he just I mean,
he wasn't. Let's be honest,he wasn't and it showed up. I
mean, we'll talk about them inthe in the worst players of the game,
but are like the you know,the things that didn't look good.
But like when you have two starterson both sides, on either side of
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the ball that are as bad asWilkinson and Wilson were, like, it's
just like it's very very hard towin games. Like you can get away
with Lucky Foe to playing his fifteensnaps and playing that poorly, or a
Jesse Lucatta or something like that,you know, and still didn't particularly play
well, But you can't two primetimestarters. You can't. You can't win
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games that way, you know.I think again, it wasn't as good
as the first game, and wedidn't expect it to be, right,
Like we did not expect the passrush to be great. But I was
disappointed, you know that they weren'table to do a little more. Kaisier
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White had a sack this game,you know, I Guardac had a sack,
and then did Watkins have a sackbefore he left injured? No,
Watkins had his sack last week.So Guardic had one and then and then
Collins had one. Yeah, Collinshad a half sack. Split is what
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that ended up looking like. Letme pull the stat sheet up, because
it was it did look like itwas. It was he and and demckagy
got half a sack, and thenand Kaiser had the other one. So
he and mckage got credit for thehalf sack on that one. And you
have to again acknowledge the offensive linethey had zero sacks, like so that's
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a plus. But at the youknow, when things started to go bad,
you started to see the he didend up getting hit six times,
jobs did. Yeah, yeah,and that was mostly in the second half,
and it was it was Deshel Lawrenceand O'Shane zim Zimine. I'm gonna
butcher that that that guy the otherguy, yeah, Zimins. Yeah,
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So you know, they had theyhad a field day basically in the second
half. And again, the heartthe disheartening thing about that was those weren't
like those weren't like plays where you'relike, or I shouldn't say plays,
but those were situations where you're like, oh, it's okay if we don't
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get this, because you know,we're ahead by three touchdowns, but then
you don't get it, and you'relike, there would have been you know,
that would have been a nice beena nice play, and it just
it was interesting that they were justthey struggled at those at that time when
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usually, I mean usually when you'replaying from behind, yes, there is
a desperation from the other side,but there's also a feeling or a a
calmness from the winning team, rightthat like like, okay, we don't
have to panic, And it justseemed like it was almost too much.
It was almost like it was like, oh, we've got this, like
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it's three touchdowns, and then thesense of urgency was lacking. That's that's
probably the best way to put it. They lacked a sense of urgency because
it seemed like in the first half, especially like they were like, hey,
let's keep building this lead, let'skeep putting it on them, and
it just felt like a different teamin the first half. And then they
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came out, got punched in themouth, and they kind of looked around
like it was almost like a questionof can we sustain this as opposed to,
hey, guys, you know it'sone series, Like it's no big
deal, you know what I'm saying, Like I think that one we have
to kind of lay on pet singbecause and I kent Summer is gonna mention
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it. But you know, theywere coaching scared not to lose a lead,
and that's exactly what they did.And I know the success that they
had was really predicated on month Palm, the fact that they were they were
able to move the ball in therun game, and they were getting explosive
place from James Connor and that gotbottled up. But they also they also
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stopped kind of yeah, it's everythingshut down. And I'm gonna credit to
two guys like Destin Lars because itfelt like he was a non factor in
the first half, and as Iwas watching as things happen in the fourth
quarter, it felt like he wasblowing things up and he didn't have a
you know, a massive statistical game. He finished with what four total tackles,
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two quarterback hits, a tackle forloss, and I bet that that
was primarily in in a fact,I can kind of check, Oh,
they only show so he depth,he didn't reach that total in the first
half. That most of those statscame in the second half, because you
know, you can look at thatno one had so they don't show anyone
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that that would had three tackles andmore so his production came in the second
half. So I'm gonna go withthat. But yeah, that's you know
it was. It gave you hope, and we'll talk about this. But
this is not the worst team inthe league. And I'm still a little
bitter because Touchdown Wires and Poweranks hashad them thirty two all like you're not
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watching the games, like, yes, they are an old they are an
ower and two team. Everyone expectedthat. But look at the football they're
playing. They're not playing terrible football. They're playing over man they're they're under
manned and they're getting effort. Butthe Bears look completely lost, the Texans
look atrocious. The Panthers don't looklike they know how to do anything.
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This is not the worst team infootball. They're they're in a better place.
They're in a better place than peoplethink that they're at well. And
the thing is, the unfortunate thingis that they're they have a terrible schedule.
Oh my gosh, yeah, we'regonna get to that. We're gonna
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get that. And so that Ithink plays in two things is because they're
like, well, they didn't winthose two games, which were probably their
most winnable games until you know,Week ten and so and so people are
like, oh, they're the worstteam in football, and it's like,
well, they might have the worstrecord in football, but like, are
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we basing it off the record orare we basic? And let's be honest,
a lot of people aren't watching theCardinals either. We're really only crazy
people doing that because they're their Cardinalsgames aren't getting shown anywhere other than the
you know, regional I think Ithink we also need to just mention real
quick on on some positives. Youknow, Marquis had nine for eighty two,
yes, and a touchdown. ZachErtz had had he's very Larry Fitzgerald
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two thousand, was it fifteen sixteen, but he's got he had twelve for
seventy seven, and then uh,you know, oh sorry, not in
the game. Sorry, that's obvious. Yeah, yeah, but that's very
Larry Fitzgerald, right right, right, Like I was saying he's gonna have
one hundred catches for five hundred yards, right, I mean she's he's like
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he already like he's got twelve catchesand he's just gotta stay healthy. Remember
Ezackerts, in eleven games two yearsago, tied the Cardinals franchise single season
record for tighten for tight end receptionswith fifty seven and eleven games last year,
he'd have shot, he's gonna havethat by he's gonna have that by
three quarters of the weight through theseason. He's gonna have eighty catches this
year. And he had six forfifty six in the game. So he
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had a great game. Yeah,that game. And and mind you,
he was wide open down the fieldlike Dobbs just playing missed and that would
have been that would have been adude, a touchdown. That would have
been big. And that would havebeen early too, because that's the one
they missed the field goal on.Yeah, yeah, they would have had
a freaking twenty seven lead, twentyseven and nothing lead in the first half.
That would have been stupid. Yeah, but stupid. You know,
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it ends up being what it is. And but yeah, I was good
to see you know, Marquis hadsix for fifty four. But that's the
thing is, like you have explosiveguys like Marquis and Rondell, but like
again, that's where Dobbs struggles,right, he struggles to get the ball
into explosive hands. And so that'sthat's why you kind of see things play
out like they did in the game. Yeah, coming to next on the
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Red podcast, mister Cardinals talking theWeb. Let's talk about the injuries.
It's it's it's impacting them and it'sgonna impact and moving forward. That's coming
to next one. Rise ups youread We're back on the Rise of Creed
podcasts, Best Cardinals talk on theWeb. Injuries. Cardinals really couldn't afford
to have injuries and now they've gotthem. Here here's the status that we
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know. LJ Cal you're hit,injured, reserve his season's basic, Like
we can assume his season is done. Biceps injury surgery needed, it's gonna
be a long he won't be backthen. Lecky fo two is out has
a shoulder injury, Josh Woods outwith an angle injury. Carlos Watkin's biceps
injury. We have to watch thatbecause biceps injuries. Those are tricky in
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our Yeah, it just depends onseverity of tails. If you need if
you need surgery done, you're done. Which would really really be difficult because
who are the two defensive linemen thatwe were hope, like basically counting on
some one Watkins we felt was Watkinsby far the most accomplished defensive lineman on
the team, and then call therewho had the most potential to be decent
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done? Done? And now BuddhaBaker and a hamstring on injured reserve gonna
miss the next four games. That'sthat's a tough blow, and that's that's
a frustrating thing because remember remember bododhedtalking about the offseason and how he never
wanted to miss games again. Buthe's after one week, tweeks, his
hamstring does something his hamstring and inin practice and boom, now he's out
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for the next month. Yeah,and that's just unfortunate. And this is
a team that we talked about.It's razor thin. It played a huge
you know result in this game andthe loss, and it's gonna impact them
for the next three weeks, fourweeks, whatever however long. Bood is
out. So it's just you know, it's it's an unfortunate reality that this
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team is going to have to continueto fight and deal with as they try
to get back into a good spot, as they fight and claw to compete,
because the next two weeks are goingto be ugly. I mean,
it's just and if they're gonna bein games, and we'll talk about this
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on Thursday, they're gonna have tomake them ugly. Yeah, I mean
we're talking. Well, look aboutthat defensive line. We didn't think this
defensive line was gonna be We werereally concerned about the defensive line with Collier
in Watkins. Now take Collier andWatkins out. Now you're looking you're looking
at a starting lineup if Lucky's backthis week of Jonathan Ledbetter, Lucky Foe
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two and either Kevin Strong or DanteStills or maybe maybe they rather than playing
Still as they bring up Eric Bates. But oh my gosh, that's that's
not a defensive line you can youcan even begin to trust, and and
and it kind of goes against kindof what they you know, Stills and
Banks. They didn't want to playthem, they didn't want to play them.
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Well, I think they played themprobably about the amount that they wanted
to play them. The issue wasis that Strong and and Ledbetter had to
play far more. They had toplay far more than that they expected to.
They kind of want I bet I'mguessing they probably want them in the
thirty five to forty maxing out interms of snaps like they did in week
one, and then you know,without Buddha obviously obviously that's huge. I
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do think that they did get decentplay from their safety trio, and we
did learn that even with boot out, guess what JT J Jalen Thompsons can
continue. He will be their slot, their their nickelback playing in the slot.
And now they're going to rely onCavan Wallace and and Andre Sassery,
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which is less than ideal, butat minimum, both Wallace and Sashery are
sound in terms of knowledge of thedefense, which means in terms of safety
play, which is what you needyour your you know, your back end
to not bust coverages. And sowhile they may not be playmakers, they
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will not be the reason or shouldn'tbe the reason that they make major mistakes.
No, but that we've seen ittwo weeks in a row, especially
with Wallace, is he just astep slow athletically, and that's why he's
you know, a guy that wasavailable when he was available and how he
was available, and that's what youyou it's amazing about Buddhoo. Like you
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watch him play, everyone talks abouthis place being. You know what that
is is that he understand like hisunderstanding of angles, his athleticism and how
he diagnoses a play. When yousee him move, what you will never
see him do is hesitate and misstep. You know, see him hesitate or
misstep like he knows the angle he'ssupposed to to do to take. And
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he's a missile. And you don'tsee that from you don't see that with
that sort of play speed. Youmight see a slower reaction time, you
might see a slower reaction time,but like you see it from Buddha immediately
and then he is an absolute missile. There's there's no way to replace that,
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no, and it's just you know, it's tough, and you know
the injuries are what they are.You can't you can't dwell on them,
but you can understand that they're goingto play a massive role and how this
team ends up looking over the courseof the next you know, four weeks
at least, and and understand thatit's going to play a massive role in
their ability to be competitive because youknow, for as much as everybody was
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joking or saying this team was tanking, they weren't tanking. But it's also
obvious that at this point that theywere hoping that these guys stayed healthy because
they were going cheap, which isa form of tanking, and instead now
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they just don't have any I don'twant to say any because that's you know,
discrediting these guys, but they lacka lot of talent. And and
you know, one more thing onthat when you look at it, and
obviously it's two games in, sothings are going to change by the buckets
over the next you know, sixteenweeks of the season. The good thing
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is that with h with Denver orsorry, with Carolina and Houston also being
incredibly incredibly bad, that the Cardinalsand Bears are like, hey, we're
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a good spot, right at leastwe didn't trade for those guys. It's
and it's also interesting that the guythat everybody wanted the Cardinals to hire,
and a guy you and I bothwere high on in Sean Payton. He
right now has the first overall pickin the draft right coming next on the
res of here at podcast, bestour Cardinals talking, let's look at the
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schedule. When do we think theCardinals will get their first game? The
first win that's coming next? Andrise ups he read, we're back on
the res of here at podcast,But our Cardinals talk on the web.
The Cardinals hopefully like if it lookslike it's probably gonna be that that their
cards are gonna win a game Tillkylergets back unless something weird happens. But
let's let's look at the schedule.Okay, they had a couple of tough
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games early on. Obviously, Washingtona physical team, the Giant's coming off
a playoff year. But look atthis stretch of games. Week three at
home against the Dallas Cowboys. Weekfour on the road against the San Francisco
forty nine ers. Week five athome against the Cincinna Any Bengals. Week
six on the road against the Rams, who look much better than anyone expected.
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Week seven they are on the roadagainst Seattle. Then week eight they
are at home against the Baltimore Ravens. Week nine on the road Cleveland,
Week ten at home against the AtlantaFalcons and then on week eleven they hit
the road to play Houston. Thatit is not completely out of the realm
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of possibility of them going being ohand ten going into Houston. Do I
think they're gonna be O and ten? No, But kit no, there's
no way to We're definitely saying there'sno way to predict. We're we No
one know, even a crazy personwouldn't pick the Cardinals to beat the Cowboys,
right, No, I think youkind of pencil in. Obviously,
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it's the NFL. Anything can happenedin any week. That's why there's been
one undefeated team in the history ofthe game. But I think he pencil
and losses in Week three and fourand they look still good and Cincinnati doesn't
look good. But Joe Burrowed willcome alive in the second half against Baltimore.
But there also is talk that hecould be missing for the next couple
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of weeks with that kaff reinjured.I have a feeling that's just hullabaloo because
he's been awful after signing the biggestcontract in the history of the NFL.
But you know, if he isJoe Goodberry who I think has been with
sp Nation and kind of does hisown thing now. He said, if
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he was to miss, you know, it could be two weeks, and
then if it's as serious as somepeople think, it could be eight weeks,
which means they would put him onthe IR. So something to watch
because week five you look at itand and you know, like you said,
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if Burrows there and they're they're finallytracking in the right direction, okay,
you know, you kind of whatever. But if they if they have,
if Burrow ends up on the IR, that's a game at home.
That that that's when it please please, And that would be maybe Kyler's return
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maybe right maybe, And then andthen, like you said, at LA
and Seattle, both teams are not, both teams are equal to eat one
another. But the road NFC Westgames you have and and and La looks
way better anyone expected, right andwithout Cooper Cup and without Cooper Cup,
look at that Pooka Nkua, aguy that we talked about leading into the
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draft, who wouldn't been a nicepickup. He's got twenty what twenty four
catches in two games. That's arookie record. Two to at Well had
one hundred nineteen yards in a weekone, he at seven for seventy seven
and a week two. The Ramsare getting big production from two guys that
no one expected to produce. Andthat's no Cooper cup cam Acres. It's
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apparently on his way out. Andyeah, and they you know, thank
you, thank you Sean McVeigh forcalling for that last second field goal to
go from a ten point game toa seven point game because I covered the
spread on that one. I don'tknow why they did that, but I
thank you And I was the opposite, so you know, screw screw screw.
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But yeah, and then and thenyou know, Seattle, like you
said, like they're not as goodas we expected, but they're also,
you know, still better than theCardinals. And then Baltimore just looks re
energized with the return or with theaddition of Todd Monk, and they're hurting.
So it's gonna be interesting to see. But they're all, I mean,
they're always just I mean, they'reyou penciled them in for nine wins
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every year and then just kind ofgo from there, right like that's just
who they are. And so thenyou get to then you get to act
Cleveland Cleveland. They're just I mean, they're good, They're really good defensively,
They're they're good defensively. But DeshaunWatson, you know, I this
is what I text a buddy,uh last night, So we record Tuesday
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night obviously, and then but soI text my buddy on on Monday night
and I said, obviously you haveto see him back and see if he's
healthy and everything. But I can'timagine watching those four teams play last night,
the the the Panthers and the Saintsand then the Steelers and the Browns
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and anybody definitively being like it's youknow, you have to you have to
move on from Kyler Murray because BryceYoung doesn't look good, hope. You
know, Derek car is incredibly averageand he's being paid a whole lot of
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money. Kenny Pickett does not lookgood. And Deshaun Watson looks like hot
dog breath like like and he's gotthe richest guaranteed contract in NFL history,
like and the Browns, oh,the Texans their first round pick this year,
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like this is it. It canget worse, like you could whether
or not, you know, youthink Caleb Williams is the next Patrick Mahomes
whatever, Like there's literally no guarantee. So unless you're like, hey,
we're getting Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allenor Lamar Jack like one of the guaranteed
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better quarterbacks than Kyler mur in theleague. Like, I'm just not quick
to be like, yeah, yougotta move on. It's just how how
bad the quarterback play has been throughtwo weeks. And we talked about it,
even even Joe Burrow. I mean, Joe Burrow has looked awful the
first two weeks of the season.There's not I saw a stat and it's
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really kind of a funny stat.They call it the I want to make
sure I get it right, soit's called the guppy quarterback. I think
he wanted to say something else,but he's trying to be nice. But
they call it the guppy quarterback.And it is a dot which is average
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depth of target multiplied by average timeto throw. So the league average is
around eighteen. Joe Burrow is atnine. Oh my gosh, so he
is he is literally terrified to throwthe ball down the field. And and
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it shows, like if you watchthat Bengals Ravens game, the amount of
passes behind the line of scrimmage wouldmake Cliff Kingsbury blush. And let's be
honest, the Bengals probably were wentinto the season with what many people perceived
as the best wide receiver group inthe NFL, and so it's you know,
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all of that is to say,like, let's just not be like
you gotta move on because it can'twork. Cardinals fans, we shouldn't know
better than anybody. It can getworse, like it's not a guarantee.
Last year, which was a crapshow, got worse against New England.
Remember that it got worse against NewEngland. And then after Kyler Murray got
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hurt, they went to Mexico andoh no, I guess that was before
that. So yeah, it wasa bad season. They have a coach
allegedly grow up a woman in Mexico, fire him. Then Kyler Murray gets
hurt. Then oh my gosh.Well, and here's here's one last thing
on that. Ask yourself, withoutwithout Kyler Murray, how many games they've
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won since Kyler Murray got injured.They're they're oh and seven since Kyler Murray
got injured. So okay, solet's let's do this through Week ten.
Okay, let's set the let's setthe the over under at one and a
half wins. Do the Cardinals doyou take the over or the under on
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that total? Still not knowing whichweek Kyler comes back that between now and
when they play the Houston Texans inweek eleven, is it more than is
it over or under one and ahalf wins? I would take the under.
I think they can win one game. I think they can beat the
Falcons and the Browns with Murray,I don't know if they and I'm trying
(48:12):
to think. I think we hadbecause I had them starting one and seven.
So if I'm gonna go with myprediction, I'm gonna say over and
they'll win two games. I don'tknow when that first week is gonna come.
I don't win the first wains andways win's gonna come. But you
know, stranger things have happened.But yeah, but this stretch and when
we talk about the Dallas game,this is gonna be it's gonna be a
(48:34):
laugher because who that game is tough. San Francis is gonna be tough.
It'll be San Francis will be boring, tough. The Bengals question mark the
Rams question mark, Seattle question mark, but at least not laughable. Baltimore
looks like, well, if Kyler'sback, that'll be fun. Cleveland's question
(48:57):
mark, Atlanta's full. You know, you don't believe, you don't believe
in what Atlanta is right now?You can't. Well, I mean they're
they're a team that plays kind ofhow the Cardinals do and they're just again
more a little more talent. They'rejust better. There's just a little better.
All right with that, let's wrapup this edition to the Rise of
seret podcast Bester of Cardinals talking aboutthat seth Cox, I'm just we'll be
(49:20):
back again. We'll record to Thursdaynights school probably hit it in your in
your device or in your subscription,however you do that. Hopefully all are
subscribing. That will come Friday inthe day. I will hope I should
get a Cowboys Reporter Writer podcast orsomebody so that we can have that show
on Saturday. So ideally will havetwo more shows the rest of the week.
(49:45):
But thanks for listening. As alwaysthe sex Cox that's seth Cox,
I'm just r will be back inagain a couple of days. Thanks for
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