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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh, there's a cooling, not a can out in the wild.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
If you keep pushing going to hear me, Roll sold
is on fire.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Everybody.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Welcome to the Rounds, the number one podcast in the
world covering combat sports.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Keep there to sand this.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Along with the man your nose b Mac Brandon mccatherine,
he's here as well. Throws the mouth of the South.
I'll look at that the man who knows what the
dramatic entrance. But uh, matt Elkin, the mouth of the South.
Your mouth kind of wrote some checks that Alexander Volkanowski
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was able to cash and Nick yikes.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
See that's why TJ wasn't saying anything in the pretty show.
He had that one in the chamber ready to go,
and you know one one you know, touchdown for the
older guys. You know what I'm saying. He completely outclassed
Diego Lopez and I am here to here to eat
that crow today. TJ. I know that that excites you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Even though you're wrong, and and I I completely agreed
with you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Did you feel pretty good about it though? Did you
feel oh?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No, listen, it made my heart feel great. I you know,
I definitely was always rooting for Alexander Volkanovsky. To see
him lose two or three of those those championship fights
really broke my heart a little bit. So I loved
the redemption of Volkanovsky and you know his little speech
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after about adversity. If that didn't move you a little bit,
then check your pulse, brother, b.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Mack, What do you think about Diego Lopez? Where does
he go from here?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I thought that that kind of played out the way
that it should have played out. I think it's a
better story for Diego that he didn't reach the top
of the mountain so fast, you know what I mean?
Like this, this makes the Diego Lopez story better because
he didn't just not like the end of Rocky Rocky.
Rocky doesn't win the first time he loses, but it's
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still beautiful and that makes Rocky two and especially Rocky
three and four way better.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I mean, it is a long story, and Diego Lopez
has a lot more time left to sort of tell
his story and pen his legacy. Volkanovsky, I mean this
was one where I mean people were talking about potentially
him retiring win or lose, but definitely I don't think
that's the case.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And he looks phenomenal and uh.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, we're kind of right back where we started a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
But I'm here for it.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Anything anything excite you, Matt about Volkanovsky being championed again,
like or is it like we just need more contenders?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Where do we go from here? At forty five?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Man, I really think that Volkanovsky could could be a
champion like his his presence as a human. I buy
him as the champ. I would like to see him
maybe fight two or three more times if if his
body's able to hold up. I would also understand if
you rode off into the sunset. I think that there
aren't enough guys that play it that way. But he
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looked crispy Man the way that he looked, I don't
see him not fighting again. I mean he looks fantastic. So,
uh yeah, anybody that wants to step up at one
to fight Volcanovsky, I'm I'm here to watch. I'll be
tuning in.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
We can safely say that vulcan is not headed to
the GFL.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Question, nobody's headed to the GFL.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I mean, what does GFL stand for? Gone forgotten?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Low tej That was Quippi.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think, I mean we saw this coming. When do
we talk about this?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Like episode one of the rounds, we talked about how
the GFL wasn't going to make it to show two
or three, and turns out they didn't make it to
show one.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Called I saw on Instagram my boy Alan Belcher. He's like, hey,
GFL might be a scam. It's not going down. He
got drafted to the GFL, and so I was driving,
I was on my way to Nashville, and I was like,
I got to get the scoop on this. So I
called Alan and he's like, I don't know how much
(04:27):
of it I can actually say, but yeah, it's not happening.
I mean, apparently the idea was I'll put this together
and then hopefully enough people will buy tickets that I
can pay everybody. Yeah, Yo, that's not how you that's
not how You're not even gonna get approved by the
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commission like that.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
No, No, you know, I don't know how the city
California works today. But there was a time where you
had to put all of your money, your your fighter
person money like escro Bro.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, and I remember doing a show one time.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Where uh, there was like day of weighings and Seasack
was like, yeah, this show, they don't have any money.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That ain't the way it worked in Alabama. Coming up
and Alabama, you had to put all your money into
a a dog pin and then just have some some
rednecks with cowboy boot blue jeans and belt buckles get
out there and scrap for it. And I to be
honest with you, I kind of missed those days.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Those are some sometimes those are the best. Yeah, coming
up in the Alabama MMA scene, we've seen this playbook
on a much smaller, much white, trashier scale. But it
turns out it's uh, it's still got the same body
on it, it's just painted different.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, you know, that's what's That's what's beautiful about the GFL, though,
is it? It really felt like home in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
There was a dam that was putting on a MMA card,
and similar to the GFL, they're basically running off the
entire gate and h the police showed up and took
all the gate money for back child support. So you
had a room full of people ready to watch fights
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and there was no money, and uh, yeah, it was
pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Not long ago, we went to a show here in
Alabama where the guy was running the show, and he
just he was going to pretend that he had an
ambulance there, like some of his homies were there, like unofficially,
to pretend that they were the you know, the ambulance
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on and just like we're there, we're getting ready to
wrap hands. Of course, it's like craz like there's no
ice for hand, you know, for the for the corners,
there's no waters, there's nowhere to sit, all this other
crazy stuff. But then finally somebody walked in. We're just like,
I don't think it's happening, boys, And I mean, it's
just I've seen I could tell tons of stories like
that just coming up in Alabama. It seems like the
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American dream is to try to throw one of them
damn MMA fights in your backyards. You know.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Is how well do you guys know Ben Saunders? Like
everybody knows Ben.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I know, I know, I've been you and I.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Have called fights with him and stuff before. Ben told
me a story one time about how he put on
backyard fights when he was coming up before he was
even really like doing martial arts, and it was I
can't remember what the name of it was, but I'm
pretty sure it was something to the effect of backyard
barbecue brawl. Do we should bring Ben on just to
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tell that story.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Those are my favorites. I love that so much. That's
what I'm saying. That's the American dream, Like you're just
gonna have some fist fights in your backyard for the boys.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
The first time that I ever cornered an m M
A fight, it was I was in the corner of
a young man who were referred to as the dragon Wolf. Okay,
the dragon Wolf. He had a tattoo of a dragon
wolf hybrid on himself, created the nickname dragon Wolf for himself. Listen,
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I got dragon Wolf stories for days, for days. But
the very first time I ever cornered an MMA fight
was for the Dragon Wolf. And it was in Priceville, Alabama,
at the Racking Horse Celebration arena. And you're saying to yourself,
what's going down at the Racking Horse Celebration arena. Well,
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the first thing that's going down is dirt floor.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Cage is made literally out of chicken wire.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And it's sitting on the dirt floor. The chairs for
the event are on the dirt floor. And uh, there
was a guy, uh, there was one of the fights.
The guy pulls out, so he's not he just doesn't
show up right because you know whatever. The promoter gets
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up into the chicken wire cage and goes, does anybody
want to fight this fella? And somebody out of the
crowd gets up fights in his blue jeans with no
T shirt on, with his belt buckle on, still had
his belt on. It was this. It was a glorious experience.
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And I'll never.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Forget that.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Real quick. Was it unregulated? There?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Unregulated? Brother?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What is regulated? We're gonna follow the rules, TJ.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You know in Minnesota when I was coming up, like,
it was not illegal, but it was not sanctioned by
the Athletic Commission in the States, so the promoters were
beholden to themselves.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
That's exactly now in Alabama fixed that like a year ago.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
No, it was.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I want to say that it was like twenty and
thirteen was the year that Alabama became a sanctioned mm
A state. But like they they it's the reason that
Alabama hosted some of the earliest UFC fights. Some of
the earliest events were held in Alabama because it was
absolutely the wild West. And we'll let you fight you
damn sister out here. Brother, come on now, get on
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out here, take him, take him, timberwolves off and hop
on out here. Bro.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, you do you fight not just your sister, you
fight multiple sisters. I've seen them. I've seen them change
the rules right before the fellas got into the like
before the bell rings, they'd be like, oh, well, uh
this one, We're not gonna do rounds. We're just gonna
do ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Dude, check this out, Check this out. I've been at
these these fights, these like tough man competitions. They get
on the mic. It's supposed to be a two or
three yearund fight and they get on like who wants
to hear them?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Who wants to say them go one more ride?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right now we're doing champions it rounds at the tough Man.
This dude's smoking a cigarette at the corner.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
When when I was in college, so you know, me
and my wife, we've been dating since we were like
sixteen years old. Right, So I'm living off at Faulkner
University and one of my dorm mates, Jake, He's like, hey, man,
I signed up for a tough man competition up in Coleman,
you want to go with me? And I was like, yeah,
(11:25):
this is a good excuse for me to go up
there and see Lindsey, go back home and see Lindsey.
So we loaded up in the car drove up to Coleman, Alabama.
Jake proceeds to whoop the tale of about four guys
and then gets dq'ed in the finals of the tough
Man for throwing a spinning backfist.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
See and that was flip flops, but you can't spin
and backfist nobody.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That was also the night that I told my wife.
I was like, I think I love you and I
want to be with you forever.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So he shout ody.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Are you guys familiar with the story of Danny Lefever?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So, Danny Lefever was a guy up.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
In the Pacific Northwest and he was hitting on this
guy's girlfriend and ended up stealing this guy's girlfriend. The
guy was UFC veteran Benji Radick, and Benji decided, you
know what, let's sort this out in the cage. Daniel
le Fever, he doesn't train, doesn't fight whatever, not gonna
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stop Benji, not gonna stop dating for that matter. So
Dannie Lefever agrees to fight Benji Radick on this Sport
Fight card and knocks out Benjie Radick.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
In about seven seconds. Jesus Daniel Ver want to know
an MMA.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And it was Benji Radigh did I didj You're is
the most interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's incredible just to hear you pull out the most
obscure like brother, if we ever get a UFC Jeopardy
Night going like MVP of the league. Brother, that's is
insane that you just remember that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and I hate to even say this, but you
don't need UFC fight pass. If you're friends with Tjak,
he can break down. He can break down everything that happened,
not just on the UFC but any any fight fighting
property from like nineteen sixty two until But I'm out class.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I feel that way about Brandon about jiu jitsu, Like
Brandon will be like, yeah, that about it. In two
thousand and two thousand and four, this third round adc
C matchup between these two Whoever's and then you know,
of course I'm just sitting there bobbing my head, you know.
But tj is the same way, and MMA boys are
absolute professionals.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Historians, was no ADCC in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
By the way, exactly, brother, roll Tide?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, why why roll Tide? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Uh what do you mean? Why roll Tide? Because roll Tide?
That's why do.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, brother, that's just one of them secrets that we
keep done here in the South. You want to come
on down sometime. We got your rock and chair, some
sweet tea. Teach. We're gonna take good care of you,
good care of brother, and you'll understand before you leave.
We'll hear it from those those sweet lips.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Roll Tide. I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Somebody holds the door for you.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Roll Tide, brother, Just embrace it. TJ. You gotta just
let it wash over you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
All right, figure it out.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'm gonna let the salt electro lights wash over me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So good.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
He's a professional around.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Get yourself some salt electrolytes. Use the code b MAC
and uh save some money. I want to try that
lemon lime.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's the one. Yeah, Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I like the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Actually I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real with you.
Anything except mango. I can't do mango. I can't do
mango general or in any way. I can't do real mango.
I can't do artificial mango. Also, I feel the same
way about mango flavored things that I feel about yellow candy. Like, hey,
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you want some Starburst, sure, but not the yellow. Lose
me on the yellow, Dude, I can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm a big I'm a big fan of people just
referring to colors as flavors.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, you know that's an Alabama thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Give me the red.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's like that David Chappelle joke sugar water and purple,
who calls them cherry skittles?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What it's a red skittle.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's not cherry. It's definitely not chair.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well what is?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Are you gonna give me a lemon lime skittle?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Brother? Like, give them damn green. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
So for a while Skittles went with green Apple and
it was just absolutely disgusting, But their their backlime.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I bet I bet you know more about skittles than
you do about.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Like a crush bag of here.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Here's here's the list of things. TJ is an expert
in old m m A fights that he's the greatest
all time chicken fingers.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's a chicken finger, chicken chicken finger, recipes, Mountain dew,
mountain dew. Oh my god, well TJ all that aside.
You look great, brother?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
What are you down to?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Two or four from?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
How much? How much have you lost? You look great?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Like sixty five pounds.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
A whole new man, and I understand that you got
a hard stop, like we're trying to hang out for
a while, but you gotta leave. Why are you gonna?
Why are you leaving?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Interviewing Patty pimblet today tough?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Let's talk about huge victory for him over Michael Chandler.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Where where do we think Patty's stock is going from here?
B Mac?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Because he's been in the UFC for a while. His progression,
I think at times it's looked really good. At times
it hasn't looked bad. But like the Jered Gordon find
a lot of people didn't think that he did enough
to deserve that win. But now coming off this Michael Chandler, whin,
I mean, people are talking about Paddy potentially fighting for
a championship belt here before too long?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, before I answer that question, Kielan, let's make this
stock up stock down official right here. I believe it's
that time hit it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
There we go stock up or stock down? How high
going up?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Patty is in a whole new category to me? Right now,
this will be this will be the biggest stock up
that we've had on the show so far in my opinion,
coming in, I'll be honest with you, coming in, I
thought Pimblic could win. I thought I thought he could win.
But I didn't really think it had that much to
do with who Patty was. I thought it had more
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to do with who Chandler was. Like, I was kind
of feeling like, you know, Chandler had kind of proven
to us that he wasn't exactly championship material, and he
was sort of the gateway to getting to chance to
become championship material, right. He was going to be that
number five, number seven guy, right, and and you had
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to beat Chandler to get into the upper echelon. But
the way that he massacred Michael Chandler, he didn't just
beat him. He ragged alled him, yeah, toyed with him.
He made him look like they weren't the same caliber
of human. And I just didn't I did not expect
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that or even think that Paddy Pemblet could necessarily be that.
So for me, it's it's the biggest stock up that
I've ever issued on this show. I'm I'm on the
Paddy Pemblet train.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
All of a sudden, I'm looking at our live chat here.
Aaron Sheffield says his last three fights have been against
a forty year old and two thirty eight year olds.
Still good, but not ready for OLIVERA. I would love
to see the Olivera fight.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's what It's gotta happen. It's just gotta happen. It
just must. We must be delivered this fight from them
and a gods brother, Patty Pemblet versus Charles Olivera not yet,
not yet, come on, brother.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Come on, give me, give me the give me the
top seven right now. Who's the top seven? Yeah? Come on,
teach oh Keeling already.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
On Islam's the champ. Then you got armand and then
Charles Olivera. Okay, Justin Gachie, Max Holloway, Dustin Poitier, Dan Hooker,
Matteas GAMERI.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, that's good enough.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Then Patty Pimblet, Okay, here, I'll give you fights that
i'd rather that, not just that i'd rather see from Patty,
but that I think he needs.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Before he hits that top three. Okay, okay, So are
you telling me you don't want to see Patty Pimblet
versus Dustin Poier for Poyer's exit.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think doesn't, Dude. I think that that list. I
think that he probably would try to, like fight Justin Gachie.
I feel like I like that one too. I feel
like that's the best one on the list. If you're
if you're Patty Pimblet, Justin Gachie's got to be the
best little hopscotch to the next you know, if you're
gonna try to make your way into that title contention.
(21:05):
I think that, and he's gonna have to fight one
of those dudes in the top three though, you know,
like kind of needs some time for one of those
dudes to lose.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Give me Pimblet versus so I think he's I think
he's one more fight before the top three, right, so
maybe two more fights to the title for this next one.
Give me either Pimblet Pemblic Gagee or I would even
be fired up about Pimblet Hooker.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I thought you were gonna say Pimblet Holloway.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, anybody from four to seven is uh is a
is a good matchup for him the next fight anybody.
If he can get it with number four, then I
think that he should take it with number four. But
any of those dudes that are right there in front
of him, I think those are wulnable fights for him.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Those top three.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, when you start getting to the armand's and monkershef like,
I'm just curious, does Doesay have the skill set to
win some of those more unfavorable matchups.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Last week I would have said no. This week I
would say maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean the flying knee on the rushing end opponent.
It was a beautiful play. It was a beautiful play.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I just want to point out that.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Patty's only beaten one person in the top fifteen. Yeah,
that one person is Michael Chandler, who's two and four
in the UFC and way past his prime. He's exciting,
so he's in the rankings, but he's nothing special. Honestly,
the people in the from ten to fifteen would have
also beaten Michael Chandler.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
WHOA, so, WHOA where's my hot take button? A hot
take noise? I didn't know we'd moved on to that section.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'm just pointing out a couple of things here.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I mean, I just got a couple of things pulled up.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Over even the guys below him, like Hanato Moikano, Banil Daryu,
Raphael Fhaz.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's pretty crazy to me though, that PHYZV Andrush are
are ranked so low.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Here's why they're not exciting, Like the UFC isn't real.
They're rankings are wwe rankings, all right, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's why. That's this is what I think is about
to happen though. In the UFC. I think they're about
to stop with these subjective rankings and they're about to
start using all this IBM partnership and this new meta
partnership to start popping out actual objective calculations. Almost like
that's a good idea, almost like we already have that
(23:38):
in the PGF. Can you give me the RIZKM right here, please,
let's go. We already have that in the PGF. Go
to PGF dot world right now, and you can see
our actual objective rankings based on every match that's ever happened.
Each fighter has a score and they're all ranked dis
straight down the line. And by the way, you boy,
(24:00):
Matt Elkins is in the top ten, I believe. Is
that correct, Matt Elkins.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Brother, I believe that's correct. I last checked. I want
to say that it was around number seven, seven eight.
I don't know correctly. I can check again.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
There's an actual formula to this as well.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It's not just like the AI numbers that topology throws
together like.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
There's actual, like sound metrics behind it.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah. It's called grabbing folks next and ripping them off, brother,
that's what it's called.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Look at your boy, Matt Elkins right there at number nine. Oh,
let's go, brother, Hunter Colvin the season two champ. Hey,
you know who's out in front of you though, That
Elbow Genie still sitting at there at number three. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I love it. Well. I have to me and the
Elbogenie have sorted it all out, brother, you know what
I'm saying. And I'm proud of him at number three
right there, And I believe in the Elbow Genie at
number three. Brother, I wish that the Elbogenie was on
on the show right now. People need to see more
of Jonathan Roberts. They need more Jay rob in their lives.
They just don't know it.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, they could get more if they try to buy
a tractor, if they wanted to finance attractor.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
He'd yeah, shout out to the to the elbow genie
slinging tractors. He might be he might be listening right
now if he is shout out to the man.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
There's a PGF vett in the comments right here. Michael Libby. Yes, Lord,
he's on that list somewhere. He down in the three
hundred range. I guess, sorry about that, Sorry about that, Libby.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That's pretty a on the list, top three hundred in
the world.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Brother, I tell you, I tell you, he's out in
front of Isaac by a strong stretch.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
How many how many ranked athletes are there on that list? Feedback?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I think there's three hundred and forty five athletes competed
in the PGF rule set officially, like whether through qualifiers
or through the actual season over the years.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's awesome, Isaac get is Crazy's Who's last?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Who's absolute last? David Cooper, dang the Coop coming in three?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Can you tell me, like how those rankings are actually produced?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Like what's the formula? To a certain extent?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Uh, I mean I want yeah, I don't want to
like give it away because I actually don't want people
to game it at all. But I'll tell you that
recency really matters. I'll tell you that strength of opponent
at the time that you met that opponent really matters.
So like, for instance, if you had beaten Ryan Aitken
before season seven, that wouldn't have counted as much towards
(26:53):
your ranking as if you beat him now that he's
had the most successful season in PGF history. Right, So
recency matters, and that the wins degrade over time. The
value of a win degrades over time as well as
it should, and the event that you participated in, like
a qualifier win, is not worth as much as a
(27:14):
regular season win, which is not worth as much as
a playoff win. However, a loss in the qualifier really
hurts you because that means you're losing to people that
haven't even made the dance yet. So those are those
are kind of some of the metrics, but it's all
calculated in real time. So anytime that a PGF qualifier match,
(27:35):
or even like a PGF Open, which we're going to
be doing by the way here on May the tenth
Indicator Alabama, me and Matt we're trying to put together
like some some open tournaments using the PGF rules, and
those are gonna those are gonna qualify you to be
on the leader board. That's awesome, Yes, pretty exciting.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Do you think this ranking will ever extend outside PGF.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
You know, we'll see if people want to join the federation,
If maybe some other organizations want to join, the federation
will count their results. But if you're not with the federation,
you're not pro at this point, especially especially as this
new news drops. By the way, mark your calendars. By
the way, mark your calendars for April to twenty ninth.
(28:24):
There's gonna be an announcement that will absolutely shift and
shake the entire jiu jitsu industry about the PGF. It's
gonna blow your mind. It's gonna change what the future
of the sport looks like wherever and everybody else. They're
gonna be the minor leagues, they're gonna be the feeder system.
(28:44):
PGF is absolutely I mean, it's gonna it's gonna blow
your mind.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
You're making some bold statements here, be mac.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But if you knew what I knew, that wouldn't it
wouldn't feel very bold. It would feel very.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Logical You're you're saying with comp evidence, which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well, I'm the man who knows true.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
April twenty ninth, Where can we expect this announcement?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Just keep your you know what everywhere?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Maybe maybe everywhere.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Maybe we drop it on the rounds. Maybe maybe we'll
we'll see or.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Maybe we're gonna rent a bunch of drones and have
a light show in the sky. Who knows, who knows
what could happen.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Matt Elkins's face on it with just the announcement, Just
drive it around to cater.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Number nine.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Manut, did you screenshot that I'd like to uh on
my retirement jacket? I'd like a see for captain right
there on that. Just going ahead and put that in
a corporate at a corporate level. Going ahead, and y'all
start discussing that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We're gonna get t J jacket and it's gonna have
a c on it. Biscuits stand for chicken fingers.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What kind of sauce are you dipping the chicken fingers in?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
No sat up.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Sauce, sauceless chicken fingers.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Maybe barbecue maybe, But I like, I don't, I don't
like any like I like mustard on a hot dog.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That's about it, bro.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I bet watching TJ eat a hot dog is some
of the best comedy out.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
There, especially getting mustard on his shirt. Brother mustard, Only
you don't take a relish on there or nothing?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Can we start having a segment on the show where
TJ just selects something off uber Eats for lunch and
we watch him.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Make sure you get Can I get the extra dry
chicken fingers to go?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What did you put him back in the air fryer? From?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What do you get on a hot dog?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Anything they will put on that, brother, just anything to
cover up this hot dog. Honestly, I don't really even
eat hot dogs like that.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, because you're an adult, bro, nobody J I eating
the hot dogs since I'm four years old.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Barbecue, brother, if there was a if there was a
hot dog situation in a barbecue and they like, you know,
your boy beating the junkyard dog? If I if I
had to say it, but like, when's the last time
going to actually consume one of those? I mean, it's
been a hot minute. It's been a few years. Brother,
I guess I need to hit a barbecue.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I have three kids, We do lots of barbecues. We
make lots of hot dogs for the children.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
They don't even need mustard. TJ. The dry chicken fingers
is what's got me tripping out.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Listen, And no sauce is criminal.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's criminal. It's absolutely I I I just stepped back.
I'm gonna step back from it.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I don't find some barbecue, you know, but you don't
do ranch nothing.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No ranch is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You look like I gotta go WITHJ. I gotta go
with TJ. On on the ranch. I'm out on ranch.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Can't due Listen, you can't be eating some like packaged
ranch horse you know, manure, some garbage like that. But
you know, you get a proper ranch dressing. There's nothing
like it. There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
There's a lot of things like it. I would say, vomit.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's not like.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't mind blue cheese like salad dressing.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Blue cheese. You're gonna advocate for blue cheese right now? Uh,
we got a blue cheese advocate over here. God, Yes,
let me see you put blue cheese on a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Just let me see it.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Let me see you put dip that hot dog in
some blue cheese.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That sounds disgusting. Terrible.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I love you still, all.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Right, I'm starting to lose you, be honest.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
We gotta go here just in a moment. But any
other big takeaways be back from uh the UFC.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Man, I can't even remember I was doing the the
Fight companion with Mason Fowler and Jins, But I can't
even remember who else was on the card, Like, remind
me who else was on the event.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It was.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It was a super stacked card. Dominic Oh my god, yeah,
Dominic reyis is back. Let's go. That was nuts.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I have what happened?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Uh, dead guy, That's what happened. Dominic reyis dead guy.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Dude, He's out before he hit the floor.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Incredible.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Most importantly, what happened was we ended the debate once
and for all. The earth is round it seven Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It was settled. It was religion.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I don't know if it exists, because Bryce would have
won if it did, you know, I mean, and if
it does, Apparently those were some strong demons that Jean
Silva was carrying with him.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I think that our boy Bryce Mitchell is carrying some
demons with him. Brother got I actually fought on a
couple of like amateur cards with Bryce Mitchell, and I've
always been rooting for thug Nasty, but my boy is
off of his rocker.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Brother, let me tell you something. I knew that quite
some time ago. I taught a seminar with Bryce, like
in conjunction with him in Mississippi one time, many years ago.
And after the seminar, oh yeah, you were there. After
the seminar, maybe two thirty in the morning, we're out
at the local ahop in the middle of Bfe, Mississippi, right,
(34:57):
and Bryce Mitchell might be the greatest storyteller in Mma.
He starts to tell me this story, and it took
him forty five minutes to tell the story over pancakes,
by the way, but it was a absolute pleasure all
forty five minutes. He told me his first grappling tournament
that he ever entered, when he was like fourteen years old.
(35:18):
He's like, Brother, I didn't even know what to do.
I just went out there and I grabbed this feller
and I just locked my arms around in him and
I picked him up and I slammed him through the
map and Brother, I broke his ribs and we had
to go to the hospital. And Brother, I never felt
so bad before.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That was a pretty solid brush Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, but it took him forty five minutes to tell
that story. Well, one of the great storytellers in all
of in and they love him, hate him, want him dead, whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
He gets the one of the great stories. You could
see even during the fight, as soon as he would
like have just a moment, I think that he got
beat pretty pretty handily, any moment of him shine in
the He had the crowd on the side of SI.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
And you boy won twenty dollars off Mason Fowler live
on the broadcast on that fight too, made him venmo
me made him venmoy live.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Something else I want to point out on three fourteen.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, put that QR coat on the screen and send
you boy out for some not dry chicken fingers.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Mason put some honey mustard in that bucket. Bro.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, let me get a little Let me get a
little buffalo sauce, mix it with some butter, take it
to the house.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
All right, get some dry chicken.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Wait a minute, Kiln's got something, TJ. He's got one thing.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Pit Bull made his underwhelming debut superwhelming, But what stole
the show for me was how good Yeah, here Rodriguez looked,
Oh I know, and how I feel like that set
up a fight between him and Diego, Like that's definitely
the next match, right, Yeah for sure?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, call who do you favor?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
I want to say Diego, Like I think Diego is
going to be a champion. I don't think Yayer will
be a champion.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Yayer's all around mma is as good, Like his striking
is top tier, but like there's parts like where Alexander
Volkanowski beat him up in that championship fight, was like
he just took him down, and then like, Yeahier couldn't
do a single thing when Diego. That's not gonna happen
to Diego, right, So like there's a little bit difference there.
I think Diego's gonna get him in a mixed martial
(37:27):
arts fight. I really, I really think Diego's the people's
champ right now. I know alex Volkanowski won the fight
on the scorecard, but if you watched them both leave
that octagon and you didn't see the fight and you
were just like, hey, these are the guys who fought
who won, you would say Diego because alex looked rough
and he was clearly beat up and if it went
ten more minutes. You know, Diego was he was coming
(37:49):
on strong in that last round. You know, he was
just it felt like he just warmed up, he was
ready to fight now.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It seemed like he just in the fifth round realized
that he could he could be here, Like he just
started to believe in himself. I kind of feel what
you're saying. I am a massive Yeah you're Rodriguez. Just
the speed on his kicks alone is enough to make
me holler.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
The way that he that he spun like pretty much
upside down and knocked out the Korean zombie at the
bell in that fight, Brother, I'll be I'll never root
against my boy again, never again. I can't. I would
love to watch that fight.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
That was a phenomenal, phenomenal strike, probably the most forgotten one.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
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Speaker 3 (38:58):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Keep there to sand this.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Along with the man your nose b Mac Brandon mccatherine,
he's here as well. Throws the mouth of the South.
I'll look at that the man who knows what the
dramatic entrance. But uh, matt Elkin, the mouth of the South.
Your mouth kind of wrote some checks that Alexander Volkanowski
(00:46):
was able to cash and Nick yikes.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
See that's why TJ wasn't saying anything in the pretty show.
He had that one in the chamber ready to go,
and you know one one you know, touchdown for the
older guys. You know what I'm saying. He completely outclassed
Diego Lopez and I am here to here to eat
that crow today. TJ. I know that that excites you.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Even though you're wrong, and and I I completely agreed
with you.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Did you feel pretty good about it though? Did you
feel oh?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No, listen, it made my heart feel great. I you know,
I definitely was always rooting for Alexander Volkanovsky. To see
him lose two or three of those those championship fights
really broke my heart a little bit. So I loved
the redemption of Volkanovsky and you know his little speech
(01:37):
after about adversity. If that didn't move you a little bit,
then check your pulse, brother, b.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Mack, What do you think about Diego Lopez? Where does
he go from here?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I thought that that kind of played out the way
that it should have played out. I think it's a
better story for Diego that he didn't reach the top
of the mountain so fast, you know what I mean?
Like this, this makes the Diego Lopez story better because
he didn't just not like the end of Rocky Rocky.
Rocky doesn't win the first time he loses, but it's
(02:10):
still beautiful and that makes Rocky two and especially Rocky
three and four way better.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I mean, it is a long story, and Diego Lopez
has a lot more time left to sort of tell
his story and pen his legacy. Volkanovsky, I mean this
was one where I mean people were talking about potentially
him retiring win or lose, but definitely I don't think
that's the case.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And he looks phenomenal and uh.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, we're kind of right back where we started a
couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
But I'm here for it.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Anything anything excite you, Matt about Volkanovsky being championed again,
like or is it like we just need more contenders?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Where do we go from here? At forty five?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Man, I really think that Volkanovsky could could be a
champion like his his presence as a human. I buy
him as the champ. I would like to see him
maybe fight two or three more times if if his
body's able to hold up. I would also understand if
you rode off into the sunset. I think that there
aren't enough guys that play it that way. But he
(03:16):
looked crispy Man the way that he looked, I don't
see him not fighting again. I mean he looks fantastic. So,
uh yeah, anybody that wants to step up at one
to fight Volcanovsky, I'm I'm here to watch. I'll be
tuning in.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
We can safely say that vulcan is not headed to
the GFL.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Question, nobody's headed to the GFL.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I mean, what does GFL stand for? Gone forgotten?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Low tej That was Quippi.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think, I mean we saw this coming. When do
we talk about this?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Like episode one of the rounds, we talked about how
the GFL wasn't going to make it to show two
or three, and turns out they didn't make it to
show one.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Called I saw on Instagram my boy Alan Belcher. He's like, hey,
GFL might be a scam. It's not going down. He
got drafted to the GFL, and so I was driving,
I was on my way to Nashville, and I was like,
I got to get the scoop on this. So I
called Alan and he's like, I don't know how much
(04:27):
of it I can actually say, but yeah, it's not happening.
I mean, apparently the idea was I'll put this together
and then hopefully enough people will buy tickets that I
can pay everybody. Yeah, Yo, that's not how you that's
not how You're not even gonna get approved by the
(04:48):
commission like that.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
No, No, you know, I don't know how the city
California works today. But there was a time where you
had to put all of your money, your your fighter
person money like escro Bro.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, and I remember doing a show one time.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Where uh, there was like day of weighings and Seasack
was like, yeah, this show, they don't have any money.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That ain't the way it worked in Alabama. Coming up
and Alabama, you had to put all your money into
a a dog pin and then just have some some
rednecks with cowboy boot blue jeans and belt buckles get
out there and scrap for it. And I to be
honest with you, I kind of missed those days.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Those are some sometimes those are the best. Yeah, coming
up in the Alabama MMA scene, we've seen this playbook
on a much smaller, much white, trashier scale. But it
turns out it's uh, it's still got the same body
on it, it's just painted different.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, you know, that's what's That's what's beautiful about the GFL, though,
is it? It really felt like home in a lot
of ways.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
There was a dam that was putting on a MMA card,
and similar to the GFL, they're basically running off the
entire gate and h the police showed up and took
all the gate money for back child support. So you
had a room full of people ready to watch fights
(06:17):
and there was no money, and uh, yeah, it was
pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Not long ago, we went to a show here in
Alabama where the guy was running the show, and he
just he was going to pretend that he had an
ambulance there, like some of his homies were there, like unofficially,
to pretend that they were the you know, the ambulance
(06:43):
on and just like we're there, we're getting ready to
wrap hands. Of course, it's like craz like there's no
ice for hand, you know, for the for the corners,
there's no waters, there's nowhere to sit, all this other
crazy stuff. But then finally somebody walked in. We're just like,
I don't think it's happening, boys, And I mean, it's
just I've seen I could tell tons of stories like
that just coming up in Alabama. It seems like the
(07:06):
American dream is to try to throw one of them
damn MMA fights in your backyards. You know.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Is how well do you guys know Ben Saunders? Like
everybody knows Ben.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
I know, I know, I've been you and I.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Have called fights with him and stuff before. Ben told
me a story one time about how he put on
backyard fights when he was coming up before he was
even really like doing martial arts, and it was I
can't remember what the name of it was, but I'm
pretty sure it was something to the effect of backyard
barbecue brawl. Do we should bring Ben on just to
(07:43):
tell that story.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Those are my favorites. I love that so much. That's
what I'm saying. That's the American dream, Like you're just
gonna have some fist fights in your backyard for the boys.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
The first time that I ever cornered an m M
A fight, it was I was in the corner of
a young man who were referred to as the dragon Wolf. Okay,
the dragon Wolf. He had a tattoo of a dragon
wolf hybrid on himself, created the nickname dragon Wolf for himself. Listen,
(08:18):
I got dragon Wolf stories for days, for days. But
the very first time I ever cornered an MMA fight
was for the Dragon Wolf. And it was in Priceville, Alabama,
at the Racking Horse Celebration arena. And you're saying to yourself,
what's going down at the Racking Horse Celebration arena. Well,
(08:39):
the first thing that's going down is dirt floor.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Cage is made literally out of chicken wire.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And it's sitting on the dirt floor. The chairs for
the event are on the dirt floor. And uh, there
was a guy, uh, there was one of the fights.
The guy pulls out, so he's not he just doesn't
show up right because you know whatever. The promoter gets
(09:10):
up into the chicken wire cage and goes, does anybody
want to fight this fella? And somebody out of the
crowd gets up fights in his blue jeans with no
T shirt on, with his belt buckle on, still had
his belt on. It was this. It was a glorious experience.
(09:32):
And I'll never.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Forget that.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Real quick. Was it unregulated? There?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Unregulated? Brother?
Speaker 1 (09:43):
What is regulated? We're gonna follow the rules, TJ.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
You know in Minnesota when I was coming up, like,
it was not illegal, but it was not sanctioned by
the Athletic Commission in the States, so the promoters were
beholden to themselves.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
That's exactly now in Alabama fixed that like a year ago.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
No, it was.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I want to say that it was like twenty and
thirteen was the year that Alabama became a sanctioned mm
A state. But like they they it's the reason that
Alabama hosted some of the earliest UFC fights. Some of
the earliest events were held in Alabama because it was
absolutely the wild West. And we'll let you fight you
damn sister out here. Brother, come on now, get on
(10:25):
out here, take him, take him, timberwolves off and hop
on out here. Bro.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, you do you fight not just your sister, you
fight multiple sisters. I've seen them. I've seen them change
the rules right before the fellas got into the like
before the bell rings, they'd be like, oh, well, uh
this one, We're not gonna do rounds. We're just gonna
do ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Dude, check this out, Check this out. I've been at
these these fights, these like tough man competitions. They get
on the mic. It's supposed to be a two or
three yearund fight and they get on like who wants
to hear them?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Who wants to say them go one more ride?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right now we're doing champions it rounds at the tough Man.
This dude's smoking a cigarette at the corner.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
When when I was in college, so you know, me
and my wife, we've been dating since we were like
sixteen years old. Right, So I'm living off at Faulkner
University and one of my dorm mates, Jake, He's like, hey, man,
I signed up for a tough man competition up in Coleman,
you want to go with me? And I was like, yeah,
(11:25):
this is a good excuse for me to go up
there and see Lindsey, go back home and see Lindsey.
So we loaded up in the car drove up to Coleman, Alabama.
Jake proceeds to whoop the tale of about four guys
and then gets dq'ed in the finals of the tough
Man for throwing a spinning backfist.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
See and that was flip flops, but you can't spin
and backfist nobody.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That was also the night that I told my wife.
I was like, I think I love you and I
want to be with you forever.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
So he shout ody.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Are you guys familiar with the story of Danny Lefever?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
So, Danny Lefever was a guy up.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
In the Pacific Northwest and he was hitting on this
guy's girlfriend and ended up stealing this guy's girlfriend. The
guy was UFC veteran Benji Radick, and Benji decided, you
know what, let's sort this out in the cage. Daniel
le Fever, he doesn't train, doesn't fight whatever, not gonna
(12:38):
stop Benji, not gonna stop dating for that matter. So
Dannie Lefever agrees to fight Benji Radick on this Sport
Fight card and knocks out Benjie Radick.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
In about seven seconds. Jesus Daniel Ver want to know
an MMA.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And it was Benji Radigh did I didj You're is
the most interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's incredible just to hear you pull out the most
obscure like brother, if we ever get a UFC Jeopardy
Night going like MVP of the league. Brother, that's is
insane that you just remember that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah, and I hate to even say this, but you
don't need UFC fight pass. If you're friends with Tjak,
he can break down. He can break down everything that happened,
not just on the UFC but any any fight fighting
property from like nineteen sixty two until But I'm out class.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I feel that way about Brandon about jiu jitsu, Like
Brandon will be like, yeah, that about it. In two
thousand and two thousand and four, this third round adc
C matchup between these two Whoever's and then you know,
of course I'm just sitting there bobbing my head, you know.
But tj is the same way, and MMA boys are
absolute professionals.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Historians, was no ADCC in two thousand and four.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
By the way, exactly, brother, roll Tide?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, why why roll Tide? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Uh what do you mean? Why roll Tide? Because roll Tide?
That's why do.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, brother, that's just one of them secrets that we
keep done here in the South. You want to come
on down sometime. We got your rock and chair, some
sweet tea. Teach. We're gonna take good care of you,
good care of brother, and you'll understand before you leave.
We'll hear it from those those sweet lips.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Roll Tide. I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Somebody holds the door for you.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Roll Tide, brother, Just embrace it. TJ. You gotta just
let it wash over you.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
All right, figure it out.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I'm gonna let the salt electro lights wash over me.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So good.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
He's a professional around.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Get yourself some salt electrolytes. Use the code b MAC
and uh save some money. I want to try that
lemon lime.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's the one. Yeah, Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I believe.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
I like the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Actually I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real with you.
Anything except mango. I can't do mango. I can't do
mango general or in any way. I can't do real mango.
I can't do artificial mango. Also, I feel the same
way about mango flavored things that I feel about yellow candy. Like, hey,
(15:24):
you want some Starburst, sure, but not the yellow. Lose
me on the yellow, Dude, I can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm a big I'm a big fan of people just
referring to colors as flavors.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, you know that's an Alabama thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Give me the red.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's like that David Chappelle joke sugar water and purple,
who calls them cherry skittles?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
What it's a red skittle.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It's not cherry. It's definitely not chair.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well what is?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Are you gonna give me a lemon lime skittle?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Brother? Like, give them damn green. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
So for a while Skittles went with green Apple and
it was just absolutely disgusting, But their their backlime.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I bet I bet you know more about skittles than
you do about.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Like a crush bag of here.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Here's here's the list of things. TJ is an expert
in old m m A fights that he's the greatest
all time chicken fingers.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He's a chicken finger, chicken chicken finger, recipes, Mountain dew,
mountain dew. Oh my god, well TJ all that aside.
You look great, brother?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
What are you?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
What are you down to?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Two or four from?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
How much? How much have you lost? You look great?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Like sixty five pounds.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
A whole new man, and I understand that you got
a hard stop, like we're trying to hang out for
a while, but you gotta leave. Why are you gonna?
Why are you leaving?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Interviewing Patty pimblet today tough?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Let's talk about huge victory for him over Michael Chandler.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Where where do we think Patty's stock is going from here?
B Mac?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Because he's been in the UFC for a while. His progression,
I think at times it's looked really good. At times
it hasn't looked bad. But like the Jered Gordon find
a lot of people didn't think that he did enough
to deserve that win. But now coming off this Michael Chandler, whin,
I mean, people are talking about Paddy potentially fighting for
a championship belt here before too long?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Well, before I answer that question, Kielan, let's make this
stock up stock down official right here. I believe it's
that time hit it.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
There we go stock up or stock down? How high
going up?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Patty is in a whole new category to me? Right now,
this will be this will be the biggest stock up
that we've had on the show so far in my opinion,
coming in, I'll be honest with you, coming in, I
thought Pimblic could win. I thought I thought he could win.
But I didn't really think it had that much to
do with who Patty was. I thought it had more
(18:32):
to do with who Chandler was. Like, I was kind
of feeling like, you know, Chandler had kind of proven
to us that he wasn't exactly championship material, and he
was sort of the gateway to getting to chance to
become championship material, right. He was going to be that
number five, number seven guy, right, and and you had
(18:54):
to beat Chandler to get into the upper echelon. But
the way that he massacred Michael Chandler, he didn't just
beat him. He ragged alled him, yeah, toyed with him.
He made him look like they weren't the same caliber
of human. And I just didn't I did not expect
(19:15):
that or even think that Paddy Pemblet could necessarily be that.
So for me, it's it's the biggest stock up that
I've ever issued on this show. I'm I'm on the
Paddy Pemblet train.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
All of a sudden, I'm looking at our live chat here.
Aaron Sheffield says his last three fights have been against
a forty year old and two thirty eight year olds.
Still good, but not ready for OLIVERA. I would love
to see the Olivera fight.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's what It's gotta happen. It's just gotta happen. It
just must. We must be delivered this fight from them
and a gods brother, Patty Pemblet versus Charles Olivera not yet,
not yet, come on, brother.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Come on, give me, give me the give me the
top seven right now. Who's the top seven? Yeah? Come on,
teach oh Keeling already.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
On Islam's the champ. Then you got armand and then
Charles Olivera. Okay, Justin Gachie, Max Holloway, Dustin Poitier, Dan Hooker,
Matteas GAMERI.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Okay, that's good enough.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Then Patty Pimblet, Okay, here, I'll give you fights that
i'd rather that, not just that i'd rather see from Patty,
but that I think he needs.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Before he hits that top three. Okay, okay, So are
you telling me you don't want to see Patty Pimblet
versus Dustin Poier for Poyer's exit.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think doesn't, Dude. I think that that list. I
think that he probably would try to, like fight Justin Gachie.
I feel like I like that one too. I feel
like that's the best one on the list. If you're
if you're Patty Pimblet, Justin Gachie's got to be the
best little hopscotch to the next you know, if you're
gonna try to make your way into that title contention.
(21:05):
I think that, and he's gonna have to fight one
of those dudes in the top three though, you know,
like kind of needs some time for one of those
dudes to lose.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Give me Pimblet versus so I think he's I think
he's one more fight before the top three, right, so
maybe two more fights to the title for this next one.
Give me either Pimblet Pemblic Gagee or I would even
be fired up about Pimblet Hooker.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I thought you were gonna say Pimblet Holloway.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, anybody from four to seven is uh is a
is a good matchup for him the next fight anybody.
If he can get it with number four, then I
think that he should take it with number four. But
any of those dudes that are right there in front
of him, I think those are wulnable fights for him.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Those top three.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, when you start getting to the armand's and monkershef like,
I'm just curious, does Doesay have the skill set to
win some of those more unfavorable matchups.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Last week I would have said no. This week I
would say maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I mean the flying knee on the rushing end opponent.
It was a beautiful play. It was a beautiful play.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I just want to point out that.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Patty's only beaten one person in the top fifteen. Yeah,
that one person is Michael Chandler, who's two and four
in the UFC and way past his prime. He's exciting,
so he's in the rankings, but he's nothing special. Honestly,
the people in the from ten to fifteen would have
also beaten Michael Chandler.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
WHOA, so, WHOA where's my hot take button? A hot
take noise? I didn't know we'd moved on to that section.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
I'm just pointing out a couple of things here.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I mean, I just got a couple of things pulled up.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Over even the guys below him, like Hanato Moikano, Banil Daryu,
Raphael Fhaz.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's pretty crazy to me though, that PHYZV Andrush are
are ranked so low.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Here's why they're not exciting, Like the UFC isn't real.
They're rankings are wwe rankings, all right, let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's why. That's this is what I think is about
to happen though. In the UFC. I think they're about
to stop with these subjective rankings and they're about to
start using all this IBM partnership and this new meta
partnership to start popping out actual objective calculations. Almost like
that's a good idea, almost like we already have that
(23:38):
in the PGF. Can you give me the RIZKM right here, please,
let's go. We already have that in the PGF. Go
to PGF dot world right now, and you can see
our actual objective rankings based on every match that's ever happened.
Each fighter has a score and they're all ranked dis
straight down the line. And by the way, you boy,
(24:00):
Matt Elkins is in the top ten, I believe. Is
that correct, Matt Elkins.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Brother, I believe that's correct. I last checked. I want
to say that it was around number seven, seven eight.
I don't know correctly. I can check again.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
There's an actual formula to this as well.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It's not just like the AI numbers that topology throws
together like.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
There's actual, like sound metrics behind it.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah. It's called grabbing folks next and ripping them off, brother,
that's what it's called.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Look at your boy, Matt Elkins right there at number nine. Oh,
let's go, brother, Hunter Colvin the season two champ. Hey,
you know who's out in front of you though, That
Elbow Genie still sitting at there at number three. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I love it. Well. I have to me and the
Elbogenie have sorted it all out, brother, you know what
I'm saying. And I'm proud of him at number three
right there, And I believe in the Elbow Genie at
number three. Brother, I wish that the Elbogenie was on
on the show right now. People need to see more
of Jonathan Roberts. They need more Jay rob in their lives.
They just don't know it.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, they could get more if they try to buy
a tractor, if they wanted to finance attractor.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
He'd yeah, shout out to the to the elbow genie
slinging tractors. He might be he might be listening right
now if he is shout out to the man.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
There's a PGF vett in the comments right here. Michael Libby. Yes, Lord,
he's on that list somewhere. He down in the three
hundred range. I guess, sorry about that, Sorry about that, Libby.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That's pretty a on the list, top three hundred in
the world.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Brother, I tell you, I tell you, he's out in
front of Isaac by a strong stretch.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
How many how many ranked athletes are there on that list? Feedback?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I think there's three hundred and forty five athletes competed
in the PGF rule set officially, like whether through qualifiers
or through the actual season over the years.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's awesome, Isaac get is Crazy's Who's last?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Who's absolute last? David Cooper, dang the Coop coming in three?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Can you tell me, like how those rankings are actually produced?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Like what's the formula? To a certain extent?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Uh, I mean I want yeah, I don't want to
like give it away because I actually don't want people
to game it at all. But I'll tell you that
recency really matters. I'll tell you that strength of opponent
at the time that you met that opponent really matters.
So like, for instance, if you had beaten Ryan Aitken
before season seven, that wouldn't have counted as much towards
(26:53):
your ranking as if you beat him now that he's
had the most successful season in PGF history. Right, So
recency matters, and that the wins degrade over time. The
value of a win degrades over time as well as
it should, and the event that you participated in, like
a qualifier win, is not worth as much as a
(27:14):
regular season win, which is not worth as much as
a playoff win. However, a loss in the qualifier really
hurts you because that means you're losing to people that
haven't even made the dance yet. So those are those
are kind of some of the metrics, but it's all
calculated in real time. So anytime that a PGF qualifier match,
(27:35):
or even like a PGF Open, which we're going to
be doing by the way here on May the tenth
Indicator Alabama, me and Matt we're trying to put together
like some some open tournaments using the PGF rules, and
those are gonna those are gonna qualify you to be
on the leader board. That's awesome, Yes, pretty exciting.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Do you think this ranking will ever extend outside PGF.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
You know, we'll see if people want to join the federation,
If maybe some other organizations want to join, the federation
will count their results. But if you're not with the federation,
you're not pro at this point, especially especially as this
new news drops. By the way, mark your calendars. By
the way, mark your calendars for April to twenty ninth.
(28:24):
There's gonna be an announcement that will absolutely shift and
shake the entire jiu jitsu industry about the PGF. It's
gonna blow your mind. It's gonna change what the future
of the sport looks like wherever and everybody else. They're
gonna be the minor leagues, they're gonna be the feeder system.
(28:44):
PGF is absolutely I mean, it's gonna it's gonna blow
your mind.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
You're making some bold statements here, be mac.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But if you knew what I knew, that wouldn't it
wouldn't feel very bold. It would feel very.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Logical You're you're saying with comp evidence, which is pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well, I'm the man who knows true.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
April twenty ninth, Where can we expect this announcement?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Just keep your you know what everywhere?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Maybe maybe everywhere.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Maybe we drop it on the rounds. Maybe maybe we'll
we'll see or.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Maybe we're gonna rent a bunch of drones and have
a light show in the sky. Who knows, who knows
what could happen.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Matt Elkins's face on it with just the announcement, Just
drive it around to cater.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Number nine.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Manut, did you screenshot that I'd like to uh on
my retirement jacket? I'd like a see for captain right
there on that. Just going ahead and put that in
a corporate at a corporate level. Going ahead, and y'all
start discussing that.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We're gonna get t J jacket and it's gonna have
a c on it. Biscuits stand for chicken fingers.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What kind of sauce are you dipping the chicken fingers in?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
No sat up.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Sauce, sauceless chicken fingers.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Maybe barbecue maybe, But I like, I don't, I don't
like any like I like mustard on a hot dog.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That's about it, bro.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I bet watching TJ eat a hot dog is some
of the best comedy out.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
There, especially getting mustard on his shirt. Brother mustard, Only
you don't take a relish on there or nothing?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Can we start having a segment on the show where
TJ just selects something off uber Eats for lunch and
we watch him.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Make sure you get Can I get the extra dry
chicken fingers to go?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
What did you put him back in the air fryer? From?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
What do you get on a hot dog?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Anything they will put on that, brother, just anything to
cover up this hot dog. Honestly, I don't really even
eat hot dogs like that.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, because you're an adult, bro, nobody J I eating
the hot dogs since I'm four years old.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Barbecue, brother, if there was a if there was a
hot dog situation in a barbecue and they like, you know,
your boy beating the junkyard dog? If I if I
had to say it, but like, when's the last time
going to actually consume one of those? I mean, it's
been a hot minute. It's been a few years. Brother,
I guess I need to hit a barbecue.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I have three kids, We do lots of barbecues. We
make lots of hot dogs for the children.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
They don't even need mustard. TJ. The dry chicken fingers
is what's got me tripping out.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Listen, And no sauce is criminal.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's criminal. It's absolutely I I I just stepped back.
I'm gonna step back from it.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I don't find some barbecue, you know, but you don't
do ranch nothing.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
No ranch is disgusting.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You look like I gotta go WITHJ. I gotta go
with TJ. On on the ranch. I'm out on ranch.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Can't due Listen, you can't be eating some like packaged
ranch horse you know, manure, some garbage like that. But
you know, you get a proper ranch dressing. There's nothing
like it. There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
There's a lot of things like it. I would say, vomit.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's not like.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't mind blue cheese like salad dressing.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Blue cheese. You're gonna advocate for blue cheese right now? Uh,
we got a blue cheese advocate over here. God, Yes,
let me see you put blue cheese on a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Just let me see it.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Let me see you put dip that hot dog in
some blue cheese.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That sounds disgusting. Terrible.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I love you still, all.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Right, I'm starting to lose you, be honest.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
We gotta go here just in a moment. But any
other big takeaways be back from uh the UFC.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Man, I can't even remember I was doing the the
Fight companion with Mason Fowler and Jins, But I can't
even remember who else was on the card, Like, remind
me who else was on the event.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It was.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It was a super stacked card. Dominic Oh my god, yeah,
Dominic reyis is back. Let's go. That was nuts.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
I have what happened?
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Uh, dead guy, That's what happened. Dominic reyis dead guy.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Dude, He's out before he hit the floor.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Incredible.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Most importantly, what happened was we ended the debate once
and for all. The earth is round it seven Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It was settled. It was religion.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I don't know if it exists, because Bryce would have
won if it did, you know, I mean, and if
it does, Apparently those were some strong demons that Jean
Silva was carrying with him.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I think that our boy Bryce Mitchell is carrying some
demons with him. Brother got I actually fought on a
couple of like amateur cards with Bryce Mitchell, and I've
always been rooting for thug Nasty, but my boy is
off of his rocker.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Brother, let me tell you something. I knew that quite
some time ago. I taught a seminar with Bryce, like
in conjunction with him in Mississippi one time, many years ago.
And after the seminar, oh yeah, you were there. After
the seminar, maybe two thirty in the morning, we're out
at the local ahop in the middle of Bfe, Mississippi, right,
(34:57):
and Bryce Mitchell might be the greatest storyteller in Mma.
He starts to tell me this story, and it took
him forty five minutes to tell the story over pancakes,
by the way, but it was a absolute pleasure all
forty five minutes. He told me his first grappling tournament
that he ever entered, when he was like fourteen years old.
(35:18):
He's like, Brother, I didn't even know what to do.
I just went out there and I grabbed this feller
and I just locked my arms around in him and
I picked him up and I slammed him through the
map and Brother, I broke his ribs and we had
to go to the hospital. And Brother, I never felt
so bad before.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That was a pretty solid brush Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, but it took him forty five minutes to tell
that story. Well, one of the great storytellers in all
of in and they love him, hate him, want him dead, whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
He gets the one of the great stories. You could
see even during the fight, as soon as he would
like have just a moment, I think that he got
beat pretty pretty handily, any moment of him shine in
the He had the crowd on the side of SI.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
And you boy won twenty dollars off Mason Fowler live
on the broadcast on that fight too, made him venmo
me made him venmoy live.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Something else I want to point out on three fourteen.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, put that QR coat on the screen and send
you boy out for some not dry chicken fingers.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Mason put some honey mustard in that bucket. Bro.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, let me get a little Let me get a
little buffalo sauce, mix it with some butter, take it
to the house.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
All right, get some dry chicken.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Wait a minute, Kiln's got something, TJ. He's got one thing.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Pit Bull made his underwhelming debut superwhelming, But what stole
the show for me was how good Yeah, here Rodriguez looked,
Oh I know, and how I feel like that set
up a fight between him and Diego, Like that's definitely
the next match, right, Yeah for sure?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, call who do you favor?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
I want to say Diego, Like I think Diego is
going to be a champion. I don't think Yayer will
be a champion.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Yayer's all around mma is as good, Like his striking
is top tier, but like there's parts like where Alexander
Volkanowski beat him up in that championship fight, was like
he just took him down, and then like, Yeahier couldn't
do a single thing when Diego. That's not gonna happen
to Diego, right, So like there's a little bit difference there.
I think Diego's gonna get him in a mixed martial
(37:27):
arts fight. I really, I really think Diego's the people's
champ right now. I know alex Volkanowski won the fight
on the scorecard, but if you watched them both leave
that octagon and you didn't see the fight and you
were just like, hey, these are the guys who fought
who won, you would say Diego because alex looked rough
and he was clearly beat up and if it went
ten more minutes. You know, Diego was he was coming
(37:49):
on strong in that last round. You know, he was
just it felt like he just warmed up, he was
ready to fight now.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It seemed like he just in the fifth round realized
that he could he could be here, Like he just
started to believe in himself. I kind of feel what
you're saying. I am a massive Yeah you're Rodriguez. Just
the speed on his kicks alone is enough to make
me holler.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
The way that he that he spun like pretty much
upside down and knocked out the Korean zombie at the
bell in that fight, Brother, I'll be I'll never root
against my boy again, never again. I can't. I would
love to watch that fight.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
That was a phenomenal, phenomenal strike, probably the most forgotten one.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
All right, if you check out archives, is it by
godfather Jernky Chips Right now, Tomus the coach man who
knows Brandon McCain.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Lawyer, So far, watch listening around, push me so
Speaker 2 (39:03):
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