The Rounds - Episode 2: Conor in BKFC, Karate Combat's Future, UFC Seattle Fallout

On the second episode of "The Rounds" TJ De Santis, Brandon Mccaghren, Matt Elkins, and Keelan Lawyer return to talk about a variety of subjects. WIll Conor McGregor fight in BKFC? What is the future of Karate Combat? How should we feel about Song Yadong's win over Henry Cejudo from this past weekend? These and many other topics are discussed this week on "The Rounds."

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
The following podcast is a TJ. DeSantis production. Comments, questions,
and inquiries can be sent to desantisprod at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
All right, I assume we're on the air. I don't
hear the introm music, but that's okay. It's your number
one podcast in the world. It's called the Rounds. Hey, everybody,
I'm TJ. Tosatas. Don't ever call us a day late
or a dollar short. In fact, this week we're a
day early, and I don't know. I think we got
like forty five dollars in the bank or something like that.
I'm here, as always with the man who knows e

(00:31):
Mac Brandon mccatherine.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you, sir?

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Oh, I'm feeling good, baby, I'm feeling real good.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I mean, that's your default really always is always, always
knowing things. We're also joined by the Mouth of the
South Matt Elkins, who might be the biggest star from
episode one. I think there's a fan club that is
building itself that they dubbed themselves the Elks Lodge.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Matt Elkins. People love you.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
They better run, brother, they better run now run.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm allergic.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Listen. We know it's a dangerous game.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Absolutely well after a wildly successful episode one. We are
back with episode two, again the number one podcast in
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
And be mac correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't we
already sponsored?

Speaker 4 (01:20):
We're already sponsored, dude. We made it happen. Your boy
got out there hitting the streets, beating the streets as
they say. And I'm proud to bring you our very
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(01:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:55):
I'm gonna call them the official protein of the Rounds Podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Okay, I like it. Listen. I don't always eat beef jerky,
but when you do, I prefer Godfather Jerky Chips.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Now, this is the point I would make a Godfather
movie reference, but I've never seen the film.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
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(02:36):
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Speaker 1 (02:41):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Absolutely. Uh, it's a big but visit our friends over.
Get you hooked up?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
TEJ, Mike, t J. Your Mike got a little funky there?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Really?

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah. Now you're good. Now, you're good. Now. Here's what
a lot of people may not realize is that we
actually had a lot of sponsorship offers this.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Week, a lot.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
But you know, we're pretty selective. We're pretty selective. We
can't just take everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
It's like the hot lunch table in high school. You
gotta be somebody to sit at the table.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
That's right. We're not just We're not just taking every
jerky sponsor that comes up to us, you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, So what I'd like to do is
I'd like to present you with the Top ten, a
brand new segment.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
To be honest, I'm surprised you can count that high.
But let's go.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
What's the top ten? I mean, there's subject matter here.
I assume, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'd like to present you from the Home Office Indicator
Alabama top ten rejected sponsors for the Rounds Podcast.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
All right, let's go.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
All right, I don't know if we have a drum
roll sound if we don't, TJ, could you just like
make one with your with your face please boo.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
I can't do that for like more than as long
as I just did, Okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Top ten rejected sponsors for the Rounds podcast. Number ten
Florida Man Self Defense Academy, Number nine, Blockbuster Video number eight,
Hawk to a barbecue sauce. Oh on that?

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah you out? It's not?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Number seven Soilent Green. I knew nobody would laugh at
that one.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Laugh all right, Sandwich.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Number six, liver King All Natural supplement bear Uh. Number
five rejected sponsor Todd's House of Wieners.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Dude, TJ, I told you not to mention that.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm not gonna say anything.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Number four rejected sponsor for this week's episode Balenciaga. Number three,
Kanye West PR Consulting Firm. Number two, Bobby's Discount Skydiving
and now the drum roll TJ and the number one

(05:37):
rejected podcast sponsor Delta Airlines, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I know Bmac is a VIP over on Delta. They
just yeah, no, I'm Diamond.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Now I'm Diamond.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I'm getting on a Delta flight tomorrow, which is why
we're a day early.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But uh, for the record, if three of those sponsors
actually wanted to be sponsors, we'd entertain the idea.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I mean, we'd entertain it. Yeah, but you might end
up on next week's top ten. So that's it for
the top ten segment. I'm pretty excited about doing a
top ten, just straight David Letterman rip off.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
You know, if it works and he's not doing it anymore,
might as well make it our own.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Even if he's doing it, you know, all right?

Speaker 6 (06:21):
Fair enough's Delta Airlines got me more interested in going
horseback brother, and be honest, I don't need any more
anxiety in the sky.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
We're getting on a Delta flight in like twenty hours.
Let's be nice to Delta Airlines.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Good call.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
All right, Let's actually put our money where our mouth
is and do our buy or sell segment.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
If you don't know what buy er sell is.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Each week we give a topic and if you endorse it,
you buy it. If you think it's hogwash, you go
hawk two on it and say no and sell it.
That's what you should do the things you don't believe in.
So let's jump into and sell topic number one. AI
will kill us all, b Mac, I know you're a

(07:06):
huge adopter of AI. You were on it quicker than
anybody else. I know it grows, leaps and bounds every
single second.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's probably monitoring what we're doing right now and learning
how to be cool.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Your thoughts buy or sell AI will kill us all?

Speaker 4 (07:27):
You know, I think I'm gonna sell the AI will
kill us all. I actually think AI is probably gonna
save us all, probably gonna move us to the next
stage of humanity. Me personally, I'm looking to integrate AI
into my human form as soon as possible. Sign your

(07:47):
boy up for Neuralink, sign me up for chat GBT
straight in the brain. If you've got some kind of
robotic knee, I'm signing up for that too. I would
like to have functioning knee. AI will kill us all.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Matt your thoughts, oh brother, I'm buying that.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I'm paying in full all the way. You can't.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
You can't beat them, join them situation. You should definitely
make acquaintance with it. But like I said, coming from
the guy who's gonna go horseback instead of flying with Delta,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
You don't even got to think about AI.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
That people don't realize is we've already added it to
so many elements of our life.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean, you're talking about airplanes.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
The plane pretty much flies itself above ten thousand feet
and until it gets down to ten thousand feet. I
think we have to cautiously sell that idea. I think
it's good for us all. But like just in the
jiu jitsu realm, isn't a rollbot technically AI.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Well they sell it as AI.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
It is AI.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Have you played with the robot at all, TJ, have
you had an opportunity?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
It might not surprise you, but I don't need AI
to tell me I don't know how to choke somebody.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
You're right, that doesn't surprise me on any level. Matt,
I know you. So we have one here at the gym.
I'm a huge fan of this thing. Like the it
was joints like actually articulate correctly, like you have to
apply a choke correctly, and then it like let you
know if the choke is good or not. I feel

(09:23):
like it's a huge, huge benefit. Actually, I learned quite
a bit about he'll hook, specifically, just from getting out
there and messing around with the robot.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I feel sympathy for the robot because I remember for
season five of the PGF you were doing it on
the combine day and man, that arm just gets torqued,
and I feel bad for it. I know it doesn't
have feelings, but I'm an mpath.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
The robot definitely was interesting because of the like I mean,
the breaking mechanics definitely were realistic, but the manner and
how you had to squeeze, like as a black belt
but knowing the direction and the.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Pressure that you have to cruise awful squeezes to be cleaners.
It was.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
It was off a little bit, but I was I was.
I was surprised that it worked even at all. I
mean I kind of expected it to just be a
springy neck that just kind of popped, you know, like
a rock and sock and robot type thing.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
But it was pretty it was interesting. It'll definitely get
way better. I'm surprised.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It was funny to me about seeing guys roll and
put that that real nikked choke on the robot. Is
when they didn't get that flat line, you could tell
some of their egos were a little bit hurt.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
They're like, what, I didn't get it? The way I
wanted to.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Yeah, they some of them boys got to brush up
on it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
But just by the way, I do private lessons here
at ten Planet, Birmingham.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
You know they're not free or nothing, but you know,
d M your boy, I'll help you out with that way.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Can we talk about just real quick, TJ. Can we
talk about what a giant improvement that Matt has made
in his visuals this week?

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yeah, like it.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
It doesn't look like he was put in the time
out corner this time. We've got a little uh, we've
got the riz cam or the griz cam as we're.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Talking about this one, the knowledge cam.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
The man who knows absolutely But it looks like Matt,
you you've you've spipped it up a little bit.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Yeah. I paid a couple of leprechauns to come in
here and hold these lights up for you.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Well, what's on the wall?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I can't really see what's on the wall. I mean,
I'm surprised you don't have like a photo of your
heroes some of.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
My favorite artists.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Okay, I believe he's got a monet on the wall.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
I believe Starry Night Brother.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
And uh and doctor spot.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Yeah, well you know, I mean he's there for obvious reasons.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
That one.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Here's the thing looks way better. Still sounds like you're
calling in from a Nokia.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, he's brought casting live from the external air conditioning unit.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Look at it out outside the building. Anything.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
That's actually just my old dusty razor phone.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
Brother, I mean, man, I had a razor.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I thought that was the coolest phone of all time
when I first got it.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Who didn't have a razor, the pink razor.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Let's go, oh dude, I got that silver slick. Boy,
slide it down in your pocket.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, that's silver slick.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I'm happy we've gotten away from the let's make technology
as small as possible when it comes to phones, because
I got big fat thumbs.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Man. I was teaching a seminar actually this weekend, this
past Saturday in Startville, Mississippi, at Mississippi State University, and
they had the tiniest little iPhone sitting I'm talking about.
It was the sign. It was t tiny. It was
half the size of my iPhone and it didn't have
a case on it. And I looked at it and

(12:55):
I said.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
So you like the smaller phone I think I do.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
I think I want to. As I held it in
my hand and admired it, I was like, I think
I'm going back to the small phone.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
I always go like with the regular version. I never
get the you know, I got an iPhone. I never
go with the max screen. Like my one hand can't
do the texting like I need to.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I figured you'd have had that hand like worked out
and strengthened pretty well.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
I mean, brother, listen, you know thirty three. It's my
Jesus here brother, you know fart these thones right here,
they've seen a lot.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
You know what I'm saying. I don't have to pop
the boys out on that note.

Speaker 6 (13:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Allow me to say and bring this back to AI Brandon.
We live in a time where we do a lot
of like voice technology. The way you talk to your
chat GPT, you treat it nicer than you treat me.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Well, I like it better than I like you.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
It's just risen that thing up.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
It's way more are useful to me than you are.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I'm not gonna lie and say that I'm not gonna
agree with that because you are right, you know, but
I just you know, you never asked me like Hey, TJ,
how are you doing today? But you're like, hey, chat GPT,
how are you feeling today? Is there anything that I
can do to emotionally support you and prop you up?
That's what you know.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
There was a time like when when AI first came out,
like everybody was talking about, Oh, the next big job
is going to be prompt engineering. You got to learn
to be a prompt engineer master. And I was like,
I don't think so. And now like you don't even
you don't need to even like punctuate your sentences. If
I make a mistake while I'm typing or talking, I

(14:44):
just I just blast right through it. It understands exactly
what you're what you need.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Weirded me out is when we were at GIG two
Overdose and you like turn on the camera so it
could see where we were, and it thought we were
at the Fight Pass Inditational, which was just the the
fact that it knew we were at a jiu jitsu
event was pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
It's gonna kill us all.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's not gonna kill us all, but it might make
us all bankrupt because it's gonna take everybody's job.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
You don't want to kill me, brother, for sure.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
We are really lucky, dude, because the last possible thing
that AI can take over is Brazilian jiu jitsu.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Oh, for sure, we're safe from that part.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Have you Now you've seen the gfl AI video, Wait
until they put out a whole pay per view. That's
just something that AI fights.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, but if you want to learn like you can
only do it physically. So like jiu jitsu instructors are
the last guys on earth to lose their jobs to AI.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
One, I've already created a chat engine for for BMX
jiu jitsu.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Knowledge we have Yeah, we haven't released it, but we
have one.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
I'd already knew already, had I knew that my boy
was already on top of it.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'm not lying.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I firmly believe that before Bruce Buffer retires, he's gonna
have have a licensed holographic image of him so he
never has to leave the UFC's octagon.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Hey, I'm buying that one hundred unless they throw my
boy Bobby both of him in there, then I'm really
buy that. But I'll check out the holograph Bruth Bussers
will come over, Bruce Busser.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You know you heard me, Bruce Busser that that's a
good that's a good gimmick infringement. I like that. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
That's one guy whose job I think is safe, always
and forever because a I can't ever pull it off
like him, and that's Connor McGregor, Connor one half of
the ownership group I guess of b k f C.
Let's let's talk about this in buy or sell. Connor
McGregor competes.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
In b k f C. Anybody buying that, I'll buy
that he's.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Going to beat with them, but he's gonna have to
finish out that UFC contract first.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
The chances that the UFC says, oh yeah, I know,
you still owe us a couple of fights, but go
ahead and do bear that's a zero percent chance. So
I'm buying and selling. But I'm I'm buying also that
Connor's gonna come back and fight MMA again. I really
think he's going to. I think we're going to see
a couple of a couple more good fights out of

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him before he actually rides off into the sunset.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, in order to get into a fight in bkfc's
gonna have to fight I think at least two more
times I firmly believe though, that the UFC is a
very smart uh company and they're going to do everything
in their power to make sure that that never actually
comes to fruish, or if it does, it comes to
a point where Connor doesn't really have much more to

(17:49):
offer the MMA space. And you know, let me let
me ask this, Are you actually interested in Connor doing
bare knuckle like by that time?

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Is it something that you want to see?

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yes, dude, Yes, I want to see Connor fight bare
knuckle like. There's not too many MMA fights you could
sit in front of me that I'd want to see
more than that. Really, honestly, I want to see Jones aspinall.
I'm fired up about Islam versus Taporia. After that, I

(18:24):
can't think of an MMA fight that I want to
see more than a Connor McGregor bare knuckle fight.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
Obviously, Francis Ngan, who take the winner of that guy?

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Obviously that's a slim chance.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
But talking about fights outside of the UFC that are exciting,
that could be another one.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
But Alan in the chat says, we're always interested in Connor,
and I firmly agree with that. Anything Connor does people
are gonna take notice the one that is sort of
an outlier, not an outliar, but the one that is
sort of hanging in the balance. The one fight that
I think we have to see in MMA before Connor's

(19:00):
done is that that rubber match with Nate Diaz like
that that has to happen. Obviously, Nate not under contract
with with the UFC right now. But I don't think
that we live in a world where we don't see
a final chapter to that trilogy.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
In the Bare Knuckle Fighting Championships. That's where we need
to see that one.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Brother, there we go.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
I would buy that one for sure.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
I'm not that interested in Connor versus Nate number three.
That one doesn't interest me as much. I mean, yo
interested in Nate. I'm interested in Connor with a thousand
percent watch that fight. I would buy the pay per
view right, But that's not to me. There's like, when
more intriguing things to be done. Well, I've already seen
it twice, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Sure, But the first one was short noticed, Nate gets
to win. The second one, I actually scored a draw.
I thought it was it was close, yeah, and that
makes me want to see it more. But getting back
to Connor, and Bare Knuckle. The thing that you're gonna
lose from Connor is his dynamic striking offense. You're gonna
lose the kicking game, his ability to spend things like that,

(20:06):
Like I don't know if if I'm super intrigued in
Connor McGregor that can only punch you in the face.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
I don't think that he's gonna his game is gonna
match up very well. I got to the corner one
of one of my guys Fault and Bare Knuckle not
too long ago, in the circular ring, and the it's
not they look like ropes, but it's very they're like
it's more like a cage, but it's circular. I think
that it's not gonna be his best look. Like if
he were to, like let's say he fought Jeremy Stevens

(20:34):
in there, I'm betting on Jeremy Stevens in that rule set,
in that type of like small, little compact arena. I
don't think that it's you know, a lot of time
Connor like sits back and like picks one shot or
something like that and blast them with one shot. And
I think that it's more of a volume game. And
I'm definitely buying him being in the BKFC, but I

(20:57):
think he'd have to be a little careful with some
of those matchups. I don't think that is skill set
transfers to that.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
In our chat, Marten said, I'm sorry to break it
to you guys, but Connor isn't fighting anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Marchen, you're crazy. There's no way Connor doesn't fight at
some point. You might not necessarily want to see it,
but like the guy is a businessman. At the end
of the day, there's money out there. He's gonna make
sure he grabs every single penny of that. There's no
way we don't see Connor fight at some point.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Hey, here's an interesting comment here. This is Aaron Sheffield.
He said, Dan Hooker just pulled out of UFC three thirteen.
Now the card is trash. Can we get a look
at that card? Can we get a look at that
three thirteen card? Healing can work on it while he
does that. Why don't let's let's we got any more
things to buy?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Or so, oh, we've got a few more things and
you're gonna have to help me with this one. This
has been a talking point in the jiu jitsu community
for a little while the ecological approach, can you break
this down for me to be mack, because I don't
even totally know if I understand what that is to
give you a opinion on whether or not a buy
or sell.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
It, Okay, I'll give you like the redneck simple version
of what the ecological approach is. So the ecological approach is, basically,
we teach you to problem solve for yourself by putting
you in the situation. So they make the game really small,

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So just think about situational sparring basically, and that it's
an oversimplified version of it. But it's teaching you to
problem solve by putting you in the situation so that
you can identify the problems and solve them for yourself.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
But isn't that what jujitsu is at its core?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, so there's there's basically two schools of thought here, right.
There's the old school teach and drill approach, which always
comes with quite a bit of ecological style training, and
then there's the ideological dogmatic version of ecological training, which is, no,

(23:06):
we never drill, we never teach. We only put you
in these situations so that when the problem presents itself
to you and you're able to solve the problem that
the solution sticks, you know, so to.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Be this goes back to what we were talking about
last week with taking time off from training making you better.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Now, Well that's what I think, of course, Like I
sort of believe all things in moderation, I don't know
that it's a good idea to ever swing all the
way to one extreme that tends to produce results that
you weren't quite expecting, right, And you may get oversized
results in some way, but you're also going to get

(23:52):
you're going to miss other things as well. So for me,
the idea of a hefty dose of ecological training and
a good dose of old school traditional style seems to
work the best with our student. And you know, I'm
always at our school. I'm always trying to find the

(24:14):
best way to transmit information and to make our guys
get better as quickly as possible. And so gone down
the ecological rabbit hole, gone down the we only drill
and sparre rabbit, you know, to me, got to have
both to actually hit all the shortcuts.

Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah, you know, the ecological approach is interesting because with
the ecological approach.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
For me, it seems kind of like music.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
You know, like if let's say that I get a
college wrestler that comes into my gym and they're already
a grappler, then you can maybe start with the ecological approach,
but you usually got to teach people a couple of
cover songs before they start to really understand music theory.
And once the quicker in my opinion, that you can
get so one into music theory rather than learning ten
thousand covers exactly how the bands did before. I think

(25:06):
that you make better grapplers and you push the needle forward,
but some people that's not what everybody's necessarily into. But
the only way that the needle gets pushed forward is
in my opinion, through the ecological approach. But you can't
push that end of it without understanding the basics and
the fundamentals. And you have to, you know, especially if
they didn't grow up playing you know, combat sports. There's

(25:29):
going to have to be some basic things that they
have to learn in a traditional sense.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
But my goal as a coach is to.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Get them to be able to play an ecological type
game as early as possible.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I think there's you know something that we said about
actual application when it comes to training, and you know,
the maybe the whole ecological approach is just simply rolling
and rolling as quickly as possible. I remember going to
a jiu jitsu gym a long time ago and they
didn't let anybody roll with anybody until you were there
for a year, and I just thought that was absolutely crazy.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, I just wouldn't want to train at a place
like that. That's the most fun part, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean to me, that was just one hundred percent
to get people to make sure they make it through
that first year, you know, get get them to sign up,
and you know, then finally we'll let the training wheels off.
But like, if you're not rolling, it doesn't matter how
much drilling you do, if you don't have resistance active resistance,
you know, learning how to get into entries and things

(26:30):
like that. Like it's all great in theory, but you
don't know how to do it in real life situation.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yeah, I totally agree with that.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
All right, next topic. If you don't know Iliot Tuporia. Oh,
we got this card. We want to look at this quick.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Oh yeah, this is the three thirteen card. All right,
So this is the one. To mar J, We'll be there, yeah,
at T Mobile. If I'm not mistaken, that is correct, TJ,
and I'll be there. I'll be on the watch along
with your boy, Jen's Pulver.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Alex Pajeda and Magaman and Unclelia in your main event.
To me, I mean, the UFC has always been really
great at making you know, fun, solid, entertaining cards from
top to bottom. It's not just one main event, but
this is a main event that is intriguing to me
enough where I I don't want to say I don't
care about the undercard, but I think Uncle Ijav is

(27:22):
gonna ask some questions of Pejeta that that's worth my
time and money all by itself.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I feel like this is gonna be Alex Pereta's easiest
five that he's had since he joined the UFC. I
feel like this is just an absolute Yeah. I feel
like this is a massacre, you know, coming into the
We were there at T Mobile. I believe it was
was a uh three oh three Putana versus Prosca. We
were there at T Mobile together and I was on

(27:52):
the on the show and I was saying, hey, I
think Prohosca presents a way bigger problem than people think,
and I was totally incorrect about that unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Well, I mean I think uh Poeton got into URI's
head and that was a night that Uri was just
he was battling five different opponents.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Well, the opposite about this fight. Okay, I think that
Uncliah does not present the kind of problems that is
gonna have any difficulty dealing with.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Does oncle I get a takedown? That's the real question.
If he doesn't even a takedown, it's one of his
easiest fights ever.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I don't think he's gonna get a meaningful takedown. How
about that? Maybe he gets like maybe he gets acle takedown.
You know in the UFC, you get you get scored
a takedown just for making the guy's knees touch the ground, right,
you know, Like that's not that's not a meaningful takedown.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
It goes to the stat column no control.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Time you think of of consequence for Uncle if.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
No, yeah, I had that boy gonna get kicked in
the head.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Brother, he's gonna get kicked in the leg repeat. I mean,
and we've already seen he's definitely susceptible to leg kicks.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Wow, I don't have it in front of me.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
But the stat I saw or Uncle Iave's takedown efficiency
was a lot lower than you think it is. It
was something like below twenty five percent of all the
takedowns that he shoots for that he actually secures, which
you're gonna need to be on point to stop that
striking game of Peida and you.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Got to get through his striking game to get to
your takedown. Like, I don't I mean, job less and everything,
but I don't think it's going down.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Is there a more intimidating guy than Poton just how
stoic he is? Like, I know, thank you.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Do you remember at three Zho three when we were
there and that was the first time that they had
really zoomed in on the stair down, Yeah, and they
were blasting it across the arena, across that big screen
and they just zoomed in on the eyes. And now
they've been doing it for They did it for last
fight as well. They tried to remake it, but it
just wasn't as powerful. But that was such an insane

(30:06):
like sports moment, especially being there live. It was such
a crazy sports moment. There's zooming in on pereda, there's
zooming in on Pasca, and it just felt like every
fiber of energy in the world was all inside that
arena in that moment. It was incredible.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I know Alex has a couple of boys. Could you
imagine doing something wrong and just getting that stare as
a notifier to correct your behavior. They've they've got to
be the most well behaved children in the world.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Is his sister fighting now? Did I see that?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, she's fighting as well.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I haven't gotten to see her
fight yet. What do we know about her? Oh, she's
sister to the scariest man alive.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Yeah, she's been getting beat up by the Reaper her
whole life.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, it might not surprise you to know that she's
a pretty damn good striker.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Doesn't shock me at all. Yeah, hen go back. I
want to I want to actually like work down the
rest of the card a little bit.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, I can't read it, so tell me what's on it.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Well, Gaygee versus Hooker, which is what started this conversation.
Apparently Hooker is out? Is that right? I mean I think.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
That's the case.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I can't confirm that either, But we're still in a
time where there's enough time to maybe get a replacement.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I mean call our boy Dan. Yes, same day Ega.
Where's he at?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Oh? Same day Ega? Proud that proud that I was
the one that gave.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Him that nickname. Yeah, my absolute favorite nickname for him.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Feeling super and Hooker versus Justin Gaigie was definitely the
fight that I had circled on that card. That is
an absolute banger of a fight. And I'm super sad
if that's not going down.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Both those guys are willing to die.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
That's like, that's one of the it's.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Got to be one of the best matchups in a
hot minute. I understand they're not made event guys, but
let's run it.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
So then we got Jalen Turner versus Ignatio and he
has a last name that I can on Monday's Okay,
I'm actually not familiar with him.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
He's been in the UFC for a little while.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Then Amanda Lei Moosh versus Yasmin Luscin though, keep coming,
Bobby King Green, Mauritio, Ruffy, that's the main card.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
That's a good fight.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
I mean it's a that's a top heavy card. Though,
that's a top main card.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Ruff He's gonna style on my boy, He's gonna style
on on Bobby King Green. I hate to say that
because I've been a Bobby king Green fan for a
long time, but Art's pretty serious.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Are we at the point though, now where when Poeton
fights the general public, it doesn't matter what's below it.
You just got to see Alex fight because I feel
like we're there. He's put down on paper one of
the greatest resumes in the shortest amounts of time that
I can recall and mixed martial arts. I understand we're
losing a banger of a fight if Gae chee Uh

(32:57):
isn't fighting, but you know, I still feel like, again,
you can't call yourself a real combat sports fan if
you're going you know what, I'm not going to buy
a Poet Tom pay per view.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Hey, here's interesting, still a good card. Here's an interesting
comment from Aaron says the fight nights are way better
than the pay per views for the next couple of months.
It seems like the USC UFC is trying something new.
What do you guys think about that? Are they trying
something new or is it just the way it's shaken out.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I think it's the way it's shaking out.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Yeah, I think that running that organization has probably got
to be one of the most complex things, just understanding.
I've been involved with MMAS as a fighter and a
coach for ten to fifteen years almost it feels like now,
and it's just I think that just behind the scenes,
there's a lot of things that happen and you know,
you got I mean, be back. Even just running the PGF,

(33:49):
sometimes you're just not control of the situation and you
gotta throw it together and it you know, make the.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Best of it. And like I said, it's still a
strong card.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
UFC always does a good job of saving them.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, I mean, it's simply this. We talked about it
last week.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
The UFC's biggest handicap is that they don't have enough
time to promote things far in advance. And the other
handicap that they have is if they are putting on
as many shows where they are, I think it's like
forty five.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Cards a year.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
These pay per views, they're gonna tend to be a
bit more top heavy. But at the end of the day,
more often than not, too when it's the other end,
when we say, oh, this card looks weak on paper,
it ends up being like one of the cards of
the year. Mix Martial arts is a sport where, yeah,
you want star power, but on any given night and
any given fight, and this is even all the way
down to the regional level, you can see a fight

(34:38):
of the Year candidate between two people you don't even
really know.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Yeah, it's all about the matchups, right, It's about the
fighters and the matchups. I mean, to your point, this
fight night that just happened this past weekend, the prelim
card was I mean, you could argue that that was
the best segment of a card in UFC history. It
was incredible.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yeah, I think that a lot of times the pay
per views seem to be the made men of the company,
so to speak. And then you got the fight nights,
and of course the prelims, like those guys are fighting
their asses off trying to get those the main spotlight
or whatever on the pay per views and get those
bigger contracts, bigger pay days and stuff like that. So
I think that it's just like the fighting culture around.

(35:22):
The hungrier guys are in the fight night events usually,
and like I said, the pay per view, I think
that those guys are the fights just wind up going
a little bit differently. There's more on the line, so
you know, extra nerves, maybe being a little bit apprehensive.
And these guys that are trying to save their contract,
they got this their last fight on their contract, on

(35:42):
a fight night, of course they're going to go out
there and go out.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
On their shields.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
So good.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
A lot of times produce good fights.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Good comment here from E. Lopez Arts.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
He says, might be that the old guard isn't as
exciting as the up and comers. Inherently, I think that's
always going to be the case, because once you become
a champion, you're fighting. I hate to say it, but
you're fighting not to lose. You know, when you have
that big payday, when you're getting pay per view points,
when you are an established brand.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
If you lose a fight, you take a few steps down.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And there's a big difference when it comes to pay
day's when you're headlining a UFC pay per view, So
when you're you know, opening up the prelim portion or
a feature prelim and uh, you know, I think you
have to be a little more conservative with your approach.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, maybe it's not the most exciting thing, but at
the end of the day. If you are trying to
do what's good for your bottom dollar, you're trying not
to be so aggressive in the sense that you get
too aggressive in that all of a sudden you lose
something killing.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Give me, give me the knowledge can do? Oh, let
the Man who Knows explain some things to you. Listen.
There's two kinds of fighting. There's championship fighting and there's
prize fighting. Hmm, okay, championship fighting is not as exciting
as prize fighting.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Thank you, the Man who Knows.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
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and forty five pounder in the world is Ilia to Poria.
But no longer will he be a featherweight.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
He is moving up.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Now to one hundred and fifty five pounds. The cut
was difficult for him. He feels that there's not a
lot left for him to do in the division, despite
not having to defend the title by or sell to Pooria.
To one fifty five is the right move. We'll start
with matt Elkins.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
I gotta say that it's a buye man.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
I would be really interested to see how he matches
it up with some of the bigger guys. His boxing
obviously is absolutely incredible. I think that a lot of
people maybe acknowledge Max Holloways is one of the best
boxers in the UFC, especially at that particular weight class.
And I mean it broke my little southern heart have
to watch him dispatch of him in such a way.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
But uh, I mean made a believer out of me.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
And I'm buying Ilia Taporia against pretty much whoever, even
if I don't think that he's gonna beat like, you know,
some of the like you know, I guess that's Islam
Markachev's the champion fifty five, that's gonna I think that's
a tough day at the office for him. But am
I gonna buy that card? One hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, We're all buying it. I mean, anytime Teporia fights,
I'm buying it. But the man who knows b mac
is this say smart move? Is he going to be
as great as he was at forty five at one five?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm selling it. I'm selling it not because he can't
be great at one fifty five, and not because he
can't be the champion at one fifty five, But I'm
selling it because I want to see him a couple
more times at one forty five, because I enjoy watching
him run people over. I think exactly what Matt said.
I think the Iliotaporia is the best boxer in MMA

(39:00):
right now. I love watching him affect his game. I'm
a huge fan of his character. I'm a huge fan
of him as a martial artist. I'm a huge fan
of him as a champion. I do not want to
see I shouldn't say I don't want to see it.
I definitely want to see it. I want to watch
him versus Islam. I'll watch it tonight. I'll buy it tonight.

(39:22):
But I would like to see him just push a
little bit further, maybe one or two more at forty five,
and then when he vacates forty five. I don't want
to see him go straight to the top at fifty five.
Let me see, let me see him fight. Let me
start in the top five, right, starting the top ten
somewhere and fight. I'm glad, you know. I don't know

(39:43):
if if if this is like official, but word coming
down the grapevine as we're getting rid of the double
champ thing, and I'm so happy about that. I do
not I do not want to see somebody be the
champ of two weight divisions at the same time. It
just it clogs every everything up. Yeah, it puts everything
in a hole and so and I'm also not a

(40:04):
fan of somebody jumping straight in to the next weight
division and like, let me see you move up, let
me see you go through a couple of guys, because
it's not like there's not plenty of bangers for Ilia
Taporia at one fifty five. Why we got to throw
him straight in with Islam. I know we want to
sell the pay per views, and I know it will sell,
and I know I will buy the fight, but I'm

(40:27):
selling to Poria at one fifty five.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Today, I'm kind of with you.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Uh The one fight I really wanted to see Ilia
have was the Diego Lopez fight. I'm bummed that we're
not going to get that. I think Uh Diego might
be the best fighter we've seen in the shortest amount
of time next to Poeton. What uh Diego has done
in a year and a half since he's been in

(40:53):
the UFC is unmatched. He's come from basically out of nowhere.
Grannity lost of Laye in his.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
UFC debut, playing his debut exactly right. He looked three
in that fight.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, and like I'm bummed that we're not gonna get
Ilia versus Lopez, But looking at Lopez fighting Volpanovski, I
think that's a super intriguing match.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
That's what we're getting.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
I mean, see, that's what I'm saying. There's some meat
on the bone still at one five. Yeah, there's still
some there's still some food left to eat down there.
And and I like this comment right here, Chrome coming
in saying Ilia should short notice replace Hooker versus Gagey
since Hookers out love it, see love that.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
That's a huge risk. I mean, if I was Ilia's manager,
he already vacated.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Though he's already vacated thirty five, So why is it
a risk he's not the champ's I mean, it's a
risk because it's a fight.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, you bring up a good point, though, I do
like the idea of a champion moving up and having
to lay claim to getting a title fight.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Don't just run in there.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I know what you did forty five is definitely impressive,
but you should still be deserving of a title fight,
and Ilia.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Just being the champion and moving up to fifty five.
He hasn't done anything at fifty five yet. So to me,
you got to earn that shot a win.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Over Gaechee, that would that would definitely mean something.

Speaker 6 (42:16):
See.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
I like the way Henderson Silva did it. He's the
eighty five champion forever, and then he dabbled at two
oh five. Right, oh yeah, yeah, I'll go fight Cornia.
Two of them, okay, great.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
But his first move up to two o five I
think it was James Irvin and that's an appropriate matchup,
perfect a guy that's you know, quote unquote, you know,
beatable on paper. Nothing he's ever written in stone when
it comes to you know, the way we think it's
going to go.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
But I do like that.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
There was talks about Frankie Edgar moving up and you
know when he was championed to go straight ahead and
fight for a title or down for it. I think
he did fight Jose Aldo right away, you know for
a belt, like I earn it. It is fighting, and
it is a sport that's supposed to be, you know,
based on meritocracy. We'll go out there and earn that fight,

(43:07):
go out and earn the big, big title fight.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Despite you know what you did. It's a different weight class.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
It shouldn't be what you did here puts you in
line for an immediate title fight.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I don't I don't agree with that.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Gilia Tipouria's manager better be watching the show right now
and he better be taking notes. Taking this fight at
short notice against Gates would be a poton move that
would be like next level, and I do think that
that would be the greatest idea of all time.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Obviously, he dispatched of Max.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
Max has an incredible knockout over Justin Gaegee also broke
my heart. But like I said, I think that that's
probably the best business move that he could make into
the one fifty five pounds division and jump. If he
did that, I would be okay with him jumping the
line a little bit. But I do agree that he's
he even as the champion one forty five, I'd like

(43:55):
to see him earn a striper two before going straight
to the title.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Hey, I got a sell for you out of the
comments right here. I got to sell this hard, okay,
And this screen name makes a lot of sense after
this comment, Gaygee and Poyer are old. They're on their
way out to be honest, Okay, I'll hear that part.
I'll hear it. This is the part I'm selling. Same
goes for Olivera. What what Yeah, Charles Olivera olden on

(44:25):
his way out.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I thought that Charles Olivera was maybe on his way out,
and then he became a champion. Like, if you write
the career of Olivera often being in the backside of it,
you end up with egg on your face. You look
like a dummy. This dude is incredibly phenomenal, must see.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
TV and technically perfect. Yeah, he's just so good, bro,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
I agree. I thought, I guess maybe it was like
two three years ago.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
I really forget now, but his career for me, as
a huge Charles Olivera fan, I was like, man, my
boy just never going to be able to.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Quiet get it done.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
And then out of nowhere, I don't know what happened,
horse meat whatever, my boy just turned around and all
of a sudden it's just crushing everybody. And that was
one of the greatest. That was one of the greatest
runs to the top. I loved watching Charles Olivera when
the belt.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Well, let me ask you this because I hear fighters
talk about this all the time. And both of you
guys are you know, I don't want to say advanced in age,
especially when Elkins is eight years younger than me. But
when you are a fighter in your training and you're
hungry and you go out and sometimes maybe you do
foolish things in your twenties, but when you get to

(45:43):
the latter part of your stage, the mindset and mentality
that you earn over that time. If every fighter that said,
if I had the mindset I did in my thirties,
in my twenties, I would have been a world beater,
and I firmly believe that. And I think Charles Olivera
is an example of that. You know, he figured out,
you know, his wrongs coming up and then right at

(46:05):
all of them and then have the mindset of like,
this is what I need to do to take care
of my body and not over exert myself and maybe
not be so aggressive. If you can take that, you know,
thirty year old brain and put it into a twenty
year old, it's this night and day. And I think
for some fighters, we see them much better when they
hit thirty to thirty five years old.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I think that's the fighting prime.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Your your willingness to throw yourself into these walls and
just kind of like be reckless with your body is
one of the prerequisites for becoming one of the greatest.
And I think also on that path, at some point
you do have an injury, something like that happens, and
then you have to learn how to work around it,
and you become more wise and realize that you can't

(46:49):
just keep leaning on your leaning on your injuries, and
leaning on your injuries and leaning on your injuries. And
I think that that part of the game and the
evolution of yourself as a martial artist, I think it produces,
like I said, just an old wise samurai, if you will.
And I definitely think that some of those guys, if
we could see them, if they're you know, like you
think of Charles Oliver has been in the UFC for

(47:12):
I mean forty.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Five years, one hundred and twelve years.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
It's been eighty four years.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
And I mean obviously, you know, if we could see
his knowledge or like even some of these guys coaches
and stuff like that, that would be That's the next
league that I'm interested in, when they figure out how
to how to infuse the youth. We got to call
our boy Elon and see if we can get these
boys back in their twenties.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Does he sell that? Is that a product?

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Soon enough?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I'm buying if he is fair enough?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
All right? Next one, Karate Combat.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
This is a promotion that if you, I almost want
to call it mixed martial arts because there are some
elements other than just striking the ground fighting that they allow.
I think is super beneficial. But your thoughts Karate Combat
buy or sell?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Long term? Where do you think this is as a brand?
V MAC? Is this a powerful brand that continues to
keep growing.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I think there are parts of it that are very powerful.
There are parts of it I'm buying. Okay, I'm going
to buy the company and sell off some of the parts.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Okay, fair No, Like what am I buying?

Speaker 4 (48:29):
I'm buying the pit? What am I buying? I'm buying
the tokenization. What am I buying? I'm buying the AI
and the presentation all around. What am I selling? I'm
selling the live.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Experience, the live experiences.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Going to karate combat, which I have done. Yeah, and
we had we got Vip d Keilan and I to
Karate Combat, and we left the VIP section and moved
up into the those bleeds so we could see. Yeah,
you know it's it's you can't see into the pit
with the live experience, there are parts of it that
I just gotta sell.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
That's tough.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
What are your thoughts on the Pit Submission series.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
I think it's fun. I think it presents some things
that happened that you can't have happen any other way.
Like just let let's take the Craig Jones Invitational. That
match up with Tackett and Rotolo. We don't get if
if they're not in the pit, that match doesn't look
the same, not even close, right, But again, man for

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the live viewer, like if they put the pit down
in T Mobile Arena and tried to have a UFC
fight in the pit, everybody's asking for their money back.
You can't see inside the pit.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
From a lot of experience, we've seen that before. There
was an MMA promotion called Yama Yama.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I remember Yama back fighting that was basically a serial
bull and it was designed to make it so. The
thought behind it was it's not going to be as
e for wrestlers to clinch up against the fence and
drag these guys of the floor. What we found out
was it actually makes wrestlers more effective because you start
backing up the pit and you just fall over.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
My thing that I sort of worry about.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
With the Pit Submission Series with Karate Combat is are
they doing themselves a disservice by promoting both? Should they
have a show that is just the Pit Submission series
or should they go back and forth where them it's like,
all right, this next match is gonna be a grappling match.
The whole experience of watching a good striking match and

(50:38):
then watching a jiu jitsu match, to me, I find
value in it. I enjoy it, but I think to
the consumer who's watching it sometimes using they don't look
good right next to each other. The same with boxing
and MMA. I've done hybrid shows where you'll have an
amazing MMA fight and then you'll have a technical boxing match,
and while the boxing match is still good, it just

(50:59):
doesn't look rate, you know, presented next to mixed martial
arts fight.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Well. I think they also know, though, that Pitt's Submission
Series all by itself, ye how many people gonna buy
and show up for that? The jiu jitsu community is
very small, right, very small? So I think they understand
that there's an audience there to be grabbed, but that
the audience is not big enough to exist on its own,

(51:25):
not yet. I'm not saying it won't be. Obviously, with
what we're doing with the PGF and with the Fight
Pass invitation on Craig Jones, I get to work with
all these companies, like directly behind the scenes. So I'm
a big believer in the future of jiu jitsu. But
it's not right. It's not there right now, like just

(51:46):
real talk, it's not there right now.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And I don't know if I believe in both being
presented simultaneously in the same event.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
You got to put them on as the prelims, and
that's what they do. They put those those matches up first,
and then they're like, all right, everybody warmed up, all right,
let's punch each other in the face. Interesting to hear like.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
This, I feel like I have to say that personally,
I'm I'm buying any any extra promotions that offer a
different perspective. I don't want to see just another MMA promotion.
If you've got a different perspective, I at least want
to check it out and give it a chance to
be successful. But with all the like the pit talk.
You know, all of the sports, it comes down to

(52:26):
the size of the arena. If you look at flag
I'm sorry, arena football versus the NFL and stuff like that,
the size of the field matters.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
And so like, dude, put them in a mud pit.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
I don't care what you put them in, but it's
got to be big enough, you know. Yeah, And so
like an MMA fight in a tiny little cage, it's
a different fight than a thirty foot cage. If you've
ever sparred in a boxing ring, if you're in a
full sized professional boxing ring, I got a little.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Room to move around.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
But you put me in this little phone booth and
now all of a sudden, me and this guy are
in they're shiving each other and it's a tight fight
in the pocket. And so it's just I think that
the jiu jitsu events also are gonna are gonna need
to address some of that. And I know that we've
talked about some of that with the with the PGF
that put them in a triangle a square. It doesn't,
you know, as long as the size is big enough,

(53:13):
because like the that's what I thought that the Craig
Jones Invitational did a great job. The pit looked awesome,
but the base of the floor looked like it was
the size of a basketball floor or something. It looked huge,
you know, And I think that's what they did really
really well the pit.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
For me, I just whatever, you.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Know, it's a novel team. Yeah. I don't think the
pit is something that's gonna be like adopted universally across
jiu jitsu gyms everywhere. I do think there's gonna be
some people that put it in and it's gonna be fun.
I think we're gonna have a good time with it,
and uh and sign me up to Hey, sign me
up to watch it. Can't wait. I'm planning I'll be
at Craig Jones Invitational too. Can't wait. Love doing it.

(53:53):
One of the best times I've ever had. But do
I think that the pit is going into every jiu
jitsu gym? Sell that.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Aaron Sheffield has a comment in our chant. I don't
know if we can throw it up, but he asked
if we were if we bought the company, do we
keep Robin Black. I think Robin Black is This might
sound bad, He's an acquired taste, but I think he
works really well with karate combat. I think either you
love Robin Black or you hate Robin Black. But I

(54:22):
think the way that karate combat utilizes him is the
exact perfect way to use Robin Black.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
I'm keeping Robin Black. I love Robin Black. I think
he's the perfect guy for that promotion. Is he the
perfect guy for a jiu jitsu promotion, nope? Is he
perfect guy for MMA? Nope? Is he perfect for karate combat?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Absolutely. And like you said, he's a little bit polarizing.
You either love him or hate him, And I gotta
be honest with you. I love Robin and I love
Robin on a personal level too, so I'm obviously biased
about Yeah, I'm keeping Robin for sure.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
If I've learned anything in combat sports, it's you have
to make people feel and it doesn't matter if you
make them feel good or make them feel bad. If
you can evoke emotion, that's money all day long.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Well, there's three levers to pull to sell a pay
per view. You got the star power lever, which is
the biggest lever. You got the emotion lever, which is
the second biggest one, and then you got the technical
skill nerds level lever. We're all, we're it doesn't even
matter who's on the card to us. We're watching right, Yeah,

(55:32):
but we're we're in the minority. That emotion lever is
a big lever to pull. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
I think Robin Black does a really good job of
like storytelling, but also does understand the technical aspect of
and I think it gives him a good perspective. And
I definitely definitely like, uh watching watching my man do
his word?

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Does it sometimes? Is he a little eccentric or whatever?

Speaker 6 (55:53):
Like it?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
You know, if that's the fun of him? Yes, Yes,
that's why. That's why it's fun to me, That's why
does work. He's TV. He's good TV for.

Speaker 6 (56:03):
Co branding him with Karate Combat. I think is a
great fit. Like is he does he need to sit
down with Joe Rogan on the UFC commentator booth.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
No, I don't think that that's a fit at all.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
But I do think that where he finds himself, he
does a great job and fits in really well.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
And that's the thing. There are different tastes in different
recipes for different situations, and I think when presented properly,
Robin Black is great.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I don't know if you ever see that fail Army Channel.
They got like a fast channel on Pluto and stuff.
Robin Black is on there basically dissecting people falling off
of stilts and I love it.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Perfect, perfect, nailed it. Hey, here's here's a comment here
from Chrome says we got a pitwall, a CGIs sized
pitwall at tenth Planet, Chicago. Hey, part cooler. I'm for it.
Have a great time, But to what end? Right, like art,
do you have a pitwall because it's fun and you

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guys enjoy it, or do you have one because you
think that that's the next turn in the sport. I
don't think that's the next turn in the.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
It's no different than if a professional team, Like if
you know you have one wall, that's like having half
of a basketball court. You know, you can't actually train
the Lakers to win a World championship on the half
of a court.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
It just doesn't work like that.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
It's got to be a full size court with regular
three point lines and pre throw lines and all the above.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
And so having the one the one.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Goal, Hey, that's definitely gonna allow you to go in
there and shoot hoops and stuff like that and enjoy
the game and have some fun, play some you know,
some horse or something like that. But you know, it's
important that it's inside of a square. If you're gonna
go and compete in a square, practice in a square.
If you're going to compete in a circle, practice in
a circle. And that's just how the games are done
sports top to bottom.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I don't want to get too far into the weeds
here on the pit, but I'm very curious both of
your guys' thoughts on the pit and what it offers
to from a real life application standpoint. Is there anything
from the pit that you can take away and be like,
this is something that helps me become better at jiu

(58:11):
jitsu for self defense purposes or is it just part
of that sport jiu jitsu element in part of a
different rule set.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
I think that you're way more likely to fall and
trip on something if you were in a if you're
at a bar or something.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Where people get in street fights these days, but I
mean more likely to fall over a stool or something
like that, and the pitwall maybe kind of offers that up,
but I don't really think it changes the game that much.
I don't really believe that sport jiu jitsu is the
greatest thing for self defense personally.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
Maybe a bit of a hot take for myself.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
But.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
So I feel be Mac the man who knows.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
As I look around, I don't see a whole lot
of forty five degree angled walls in nature. Yeah, no,
I'll sell that.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Okay, perfect last one.

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Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
I've definitely used share dog so many times. I run
a martial arts school here in Mma, school here in Alabama,
and I've got quite a few amateur professional fighters, and
I mean I used Shared Dog all the time, and
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Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
I like the way he says shared dog.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
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of accent sometimes people put on a share dog share
dog dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
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Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
We talk about an athlete or a brand or something
that you can invest in or maybe divest in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Is that the opposite of the word invest I think so,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I'm poor.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Let's talk about Henry Sahudo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
He loses a technical decision to sing you dong after
an ipoke halts a halts about after the conclusion of
the third round, they go to the judges' scorecards, shaping
up to be a good fight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It was far from over, I think when you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Know the foul happened and subsequently the match was called.
But Henry Suhudo, are we investing on his future or
are we getting out that game?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Matt Alkins will start with you, man.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I don't make it a habit of saying anything that
could be viewed as disrespectful to the actual guys in
the arena. But I'm selling on Henry Sahudo. It's been
a great run. I watched him win his Olympic gold
medal as a young man, very excited when he got
into mixed martial arts and kind of not left his
wrestling background but leaned on mixed martial arts, learning jiu jitsu,

(01:04:31):
learning boxing, learning more time and all the above. One
of the greatest mixed martial artists of all time, one
of the greatest combat sports if not the greatest combat
sports athlete of all time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
But I'm selling it, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
The man who knows b MAC, I'm buying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
I actually was surprised, and not just this fight, but
his previous as well. How good he looked coming back
off of a break. And let's be honest, his attention
is divested into other things. I don't know if that
was the right time to use that word that I
heard you say earlier, divested. I like that his attention

(01:05:10):
is definitely like on other things. He's running a podcast,
he's running his mouth, he's running his social media, you
know what I mean. He's got a lot of other
things going on. And despite that, I thought he looked
really good in the fight the other night, and he
looked good in his previous fight as well. So I'm
buying keeping him around now. Am I buying him as

(01:05:33):
returning to championship for him?

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
No, I am not right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
But am I buying him as being a great staple
for main cards for a couple more years? Yeah, I'll
take it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
I think you buy him simply because you can still
build other athletes off of him, and he's a good
litmus test. I mean, if you can beat Henry Suhudo,
you're proving to everybody that you are ready for real
on the division.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
And I was very sad about how he lost the
technical ruling aspect of how he lost the fight, Like
if he would have if he would have just not
returned to the fight immediately, then I think that it
might have been a no contest. But then since he
finished the last however many seconds of the round, last
minute or so of the round, I hated to see
how it went down, because he did, he did look good,

(01:06:20):
and you know that it's the it's the savage nature
of the business what TJ just said, but that that
is what the UFC should do, is keep keep him
around and you know, build a couple of careers.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Off of them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
We're going to be in Las Vegas next week b
MAC for the FPI, and Jason Herzog is one of
the senior officials over there. I want to talk to
Jason because I was sort of confused on why they
went to a technical decision because the rules have changed
from state to state, and I don't know what the
rule is exactly in the state of Washington, but it

(01:06:54):
used to be for a three round fight, you would
have to have one second elapse into the third round
to go to a technical decision. For a five round fight,
one second would have to elapse in the fourth round
to go to a technical decision.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
The fourth round didn't really start.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
The scorecards showed that they scored a three round fight,
which to my understanding until recently, it would have been
judged a no contest or a disqualification had they deemed
the ipoke on purpose. I know some states have changed that.
I believe Georgia has it to where you just need
to go half of the elapse rounds. It used to

(01:07:34):
be half of the elapse rounds had to be completed,
but now in some states I think it's half the
time has to be completed. So at two minutes and
thirty one seconds into the second round, you can go
to a technical decision.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
It was curious to me, but Herzog will be able
to clear that up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I'll tell you what I am buying for sure,
tj of What is a guarantee is that Jason knows
the rules. I never met anybody in my entire life
that loves rules more than Jason Herzog. He loves rules meetings,
he loves the technical I know that sounds crazy because

(01:08:13):
I can't think of anything that I like less than
rules and rules meetings. But Jason Herzog loves him. So
I guarantee you whatever he did it was right. Let
me tell you what I am selling on Jason Herzog
is him making that decision. Because Jason, if you ever
get a chance to see this, brother, you blew my

(01:08:35):
Instagram apart with comments. People. Apparently there's an old reel
where I had done a collab with Jason at a
UFC fight pass, and I guess he doesn't use his
Instagram that much. This was months ago, it's still the
first post on his when you go to his instagram,
and so people were blowing him up in the comments. Yeah,

(01:09:00):
they were blown. Which was blown?

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
My phone was blown up because I'm blowing in a
post as well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Yes, it was blowing my Instagram up just from the
hate for Jason Herzog. He was getting a destroyed in
the comments. So I gotta sell tagging Jason in any
of my future Instagrams. But I'm buying that he knew
what the rule was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think the only people that like
rules more than Jason Herzog are people that work in
the legal realm. Because you got to go by the
letter of the law. I think Jason did what he
needed to do. Whether or not you agree with it,
that's a different question altogether. One thing I will say, though,
is mixed martial arts has been this way and will

(01:09:43):
likely always be this way. You can get away with
a foul or two without it ever really harming you.
We've seen multiple low blows, multiple ipokes, and a lot
of times guys don't lose points. And I've heard the
the question asked after this call, uh, this last weekend.

(01:10:04):
What what is to stop you from just going out
there and poking a guy in the in the eye.
You're gonna be better for doing it because you're not
gonna get uh, you know, an admonist to.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
Dutch, absolutely nothing is gonna happen. That's what's gonna happen.
I tell the fighters, I might listen. Man, you get
one free eye poke, one free nut shot, one free
cage grab every single fight.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
And that's conservative. That's conservative. You might get two or three,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
And I'm I'm of the idea that, yeah, your your
first warning is in the back when they give you your
rules meeting and when you meet with your referee. Uh,
that's where the warning should be. But it is something
where it seems like you can push the envelope further and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
Further and further.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
It's the same as in jiu jitsu. The guys are
gaming the reset. If you're not gaming the reset, you're
messing up really bad. If you're not making the referees
tell you to stop grabbing the cage and working your
way up. Uh, then that's a that's a tactical mistake.
Even though we allunderstand the rules. The rules are meant
to be bent a little bit, and they apparently let
you bend those as far as you want.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I definitely think it should be an immediate point
deduction for any of those fouls, like any foul grabbing
the cage I poke, nutshot, Like we should punish you
for doing things that are like questionable in football when
you go off sides, they don't go, oh, well, I

(01:11:28):
know you didn't mean to go offside the first time.
We're gonna let you slide this time. And the referees
are doing they're they're told to do it at their discretion,
like it is on their discretion. That's that's the way
the rules are built. But the rule needs to change.
That rule sucks. But dude, that is terrible. It needs
to change immediately, no question about it. I can't imagine

(01:11:50):
an argument that says otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
To be honest, I like the idea, if you have
a cage grab that prevents the takedown, that they either
immediately take a point away or they imediately take a
point away and put your ass on the floor on bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Mount bottom mount man.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Yeah, don't touch the cage. That's the rule. The rule is,
don't touch the cage. Either we can touch the cage
or we can't touch the cage. Can we grab it?
Can we not grab it? Can I poke this guy
in the eyeball or can I not poke him in
the eyeball? What's the rule? Follow the rule? Penalized breaking
the rule. It's it's total madness to me. Yeah, but

(01:12:27):
that rule isn't that it's allowed it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Aaron Sheffield is the MVP of the Chat today. He
says the new gloves were supposed to help stop iepokes
and they got rid of them. I don't care what
kind of glove technology you have, You're never gonna prevent
eyepokes when you have fingerless gloves.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
A lot of people talk about the Pride gloves. We're
gonna see a lot of eye pokes in Pride.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
There are more fights in one calendar year in the
UFC than there were in the ten year history of
Pride Fighting Championship. They just don't stick out to you
as a long time ago. Let's be honest, A lot
of people are citing Pride is from that didn't have
a lot of eye pokes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
They never even saw Pride. They just say that they
were because they were trying to be hardcore.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
They would let you need each other in the ball.
They would let you get away with a lot. Brother,
They're not worried about ipolks.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
You can crawl out of the cage, out of the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Yeah, absolutely all right, last to buy or a lasta stockup,
stock down?

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
H Song you Dong.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
He got the win over Henry s Judo, despite it
being somewhat controversial.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
The mac does his stock go up?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I mean it's a huge win, former champion, one of
the greatest nick martial.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Artists to ever do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Uh is is Song You Dong in a better situation
this Tuesday morning than he was going into the fight.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Yeah, stock up, His charts are not skyrocketing. I'll have
to say that he had a great fight. I thought
he looked good. I thought that he definitely won the
fight if we had to score it right there. So
I don't think there was any question about that. But
I don't think he jumped up off for this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Weekend you know, like minimal game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
He ticked up a little bit, like, you know, catch
you a couple of dividends and small dividends and then
uh move along.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
You know, hey, stock up is still a stocktock up? Yeah, Matt,
anything to offer.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
There, It's a stock up situation, man. The promotional value
of the phrase. With a win over Henry Sehudo were
stock up, yeah, even if it wasn't an impressive, decisive,
clear cut victory or whatever technical thing that was the issue,
it's a It's a promotable win on his record, and

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the biggest one on his on his record, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Also well, our stock continues to rise, as were the
number one podcast in the world. It's the Rounds EJD
to say this, the man who knows b Mac, Brandon mccatherine,
the Mouth of the South, Matt Elkins, Conscious Keeling hanging
out as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Podcast wherever be a podcast, also get on that Bmac YouTube.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
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Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
Just go to the YouTube and search Brandon mc ninja
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After the fact. You can catch it live for free
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Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Hell, all your friends, get aboard this hype train is
We're not stopping two weeks in a row, boys, I
appreciate it. We're having fun in Vegas next week.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
TJ.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Yes, sir, we'll see you there. From Matt and Bmack
on TEJ to Satis, We'll see you next time for
the rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
The preceding podcast was a TJ DeSantis production. Comments, questions,
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