The Rounds | May 7th, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
M oh.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
The wild. If you keep pushing going a heavy roll,
soul is on fire.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Well, here we go.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's a rounds live. Here to say this, this is
the best podcast in the world, the number one podcast
in the world. I would say I'm joined by the
Man who Knows, but I'm not. I don't know where
he is. The man who knows where he is b
mac friend mccafy, he's not here, Keilen Lawyer, the man
behind the Man who knows? Yeah, what what do you know? Keelan?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Like?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Is it a long story if you went through everything
that you knew?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Probably yes, I'll just say yes, what do I know?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Good?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes, Yes, that's a good answer.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's kind of your personality in a nutshell, if we're
being honest.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Also joined by the man who is known as the
Mouth of the South, Matt Elkins. The mouth sounded even
more buttery than normal, which sounds really disgusting. I don't
know why I went there, But how are you well?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Brother? It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure to be here
with you and uh subconscious himself. Uh. It is a
beautiful Wednesday in the Hamhawks, and it is a great
day to be here. Chatting with you boys on the
Rounds podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, so Bemack might join us a little bit later,
but I think we need to start with the big
story that is the PGF expansion. Bmack has always said
PGF is everything you love about sports plus jiu jitsu.
Uh now it's even more like.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
To we lose him as he did.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I don't know if he's dead, but I think that
he was saying stuff about the magic of the PGF
and this new expansion to the full season. I mean,
you got to give the people what they want, is
what I'm thinking, and that's what it feels like the boys,
the good guys are delivering on here at the PGF, Keeland.

(02:10):
What do you have to What do you have to
say about the expansion of the full season week to week?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I mean, we like when we started the PGF, this
was the original idea and goal, right was to make
something like the NFL but for jiu jitsu, and that
means teams, that means weekly games, that means the playoffs,
a draft, all the things. Right, So this expansion is

(02:38):
just an affirmation that that's still what we're doing. That's
still the goal and it's going well. So condensing the
entire season into the week like we used to do.
It was the right idea at the time while we
were learning what the best way to implement the rules is,
while we were learning the best way to run the game,

(03:00):
and it gave us a chance to have a lot
of reps at this thing. And now we feel like
we have the rules, we have the game, we know
what's going on, and it it's just time to expand
into the full season. I got teach calling right now.
A hello in the internet, donad Yeah, we active like

(03:26):
everything spine and we're just rolling with this. I've got
you on speakerphone on the podcast so they can still
hear you. The people want to know, does that sound
like a good idea, that the speakerphone.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I don't think it probably sounds like I wouldn't call
it a good idea, but I mean, FaceTime minimum, Okay,
I'm a FaceTime girl.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Why don't we just let you guys shine.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I mean, if your internet doesn't come back, that's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
I don't want to say I don't want to say
that B McK and I are the strongest parts of
the show.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But you know, maybe a start and get arrest of
starters a little bit.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, today we're all it's just gonna be like, like,
if you're watching the podcast, then you're gonna be a
big fan of what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, that's Thatt's talking with you. I like the fact
that you can't hear him.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
T J.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
All right, well everything about right now?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh he I love I love the shape of you, brother.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Allright, Internet, If your Internet comes back, feel free to join.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
If not, we'll just keep rolling with the TCH not scared.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Okay, love you bye.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
The beauty of live broadcasting, ladies and gentlemen. So I
do want to I do you know all all all
things aside? What are the pros and cons in your mind?
I want to I want to say one. I think
that this is gonna make the PGF so much more
consumable because in the previous years, I mean, especially from

(05:01):
being involved in it, it feels like just drinking out
of a fire hose all week. And now everyone's gonna
get to sit down every Wednesday night and sit there
and consume. I assume that the shows are gonna run
the same link, like they're gonna be three four hour
shows with pre and post and all that kind of stuff,
and then the social media dynamic is gonna let you

(05:23):
guys really start to shine. Obviously, I think you know,
I'm a huge believer in what you guys are doing
on the production side of it, But that's gonna give
you guys an even better chance to shine. And I
really think it's gonna help y'all separate yourselves from some
of the other jiu jitsu organizations with y'all's media team
and what they can do week to week. And I
think it's gonna be a huge win for the viewers

(05:47):
of the of the PGF. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I think the two big winners in this format is
gonna be the viewer, like you said, being able to
actually consume the season now rather than like there's maybe
three percent of the population of jiu jitsu people that
could even watch the previous seasons in its entirety because
it was so much jiu jitsu. So yes, from that perspective,

(06:11):
the fans big time. And the second big winner is
going to be the athletes in the PGF. Traditionally, the
PGF is a gauntlet. It's this week that's a marathon
shark week. It's so tough on the body. These professional
athletes think they they train a lot and they roll
a lot, so it's not going to be a big deal.
And we've seen them crumble under the PGF pressure because

(06:35):
with season in the week and now they don't have
to worry about being okay to fight the next day
the next morning, and they're going to have a week
in between to be able to rest, recover, address some
footage of like next week's opponents, and like have a
better game plan, and like, you know, feel good. I

(06:55):
think throughout the season, as we watch these athletes back up,
you know, you're familiar in the PGF. You only have
to weigh in at the beginning of the season, so
now you've got four or five weeks to bulk back
up before you even considered the playoffs and stuff. So
I think the athletes are gonna be a a that's

(07:16):
gonna be a big difference this time.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's all so crazy because in some sense, the PGF,
when you're when you're competing in it, it's just a whirlwind,
like like the four hour Show at night, Like it
seems like it it just zaps by, you know what
I'm saying. And so when these guys are able to
finish their matches and go back review footage of their

(07:40):
next week's next week opponents. Uh that is a huge deal.
And then also like the dynamic of like, all right,
I was watching that. I was watching you know, one
of the guys grapple and he took a pop. Oh oh,
he popped his knee. Oh I got a week, I
got a week. He's got a week. He's gonna go
you know, hit that's overtes Peptide's combo shout out to

(08:03):
new Hoper generation. And then you know, on the other
side of it, Uh yeah, I'm gonna be looking to
grab that knee, brother, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
And if you think about the season, so like in
the NFL, for example, I don't know, last season, Dak
Prescott like broke his thumb or something, and he was
out for a number of weeks, and then he came
back because the season is so long, right, he ended
up coming back after his thumb healed and then like
got to help try to make the playoffs or whatever.

(08:32):
And so like when this format, say somebody gets popped
on week one like that, maybe they're out for two
or three weeks, which traditionally would have took them out
of the entire season.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well now sure, now they still get.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
To come back in week four and then week five,
and like the prolonged competition like this is gonna be
a huge difference.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, it definitely presents some other challenges as well, but
I think that those are going to be behind the scenes,
and I don't really know how much that's going to
affect the I think, like I said, I think the
viewership of it is going to is gonna the consumability
of it is gonna really really skyrocket. What are some
of the challenges that you guys see or some adjustments

(09:17):
that y'all are maybe talking about making from the season
to season, because we when we did do the original
seasons where it was week to week like the new
season is gonna be, it was all local, right, And
so what are some of the things that you're hearing
from some of the athletes that they're gonna do to
try to Like are the guys moving into Vegas or
how are they gonna deal with the travel and some

(09:39):
of those challenges.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
So some athletes simply cannot make it happen, right, Like
I understand it's gonna be tough to travel to Vegas
week by week or move there like all these things.
Some athletes it simply isn't possible, but said, I don't
care what it's gonna take. I'm moving to Vegas for
six weeks PGF to the Moon. And so we have

(10:03):
we have a number I think seven to nine athletes
that have already committed six weeks to living in Vegas.
So they uprooted their life and they're gonna live in
Vegas and we are going to help them do this.
We've got a sponsor that's helping. We're gonna buy an
Airbnb for six weeks and put these fighters in a

(10:23):
house that's a mansion in Las Vegas so that they
can stay there while the season's going on.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Did did you just say that it's gonna be like
a show at the house or is there a show
happening at the house or is this it's gonna happen. Yeah,
there's no other way. There's not gonna be not a
show with you boys involved.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Correct, So anybody the cgffan knows that we do a
Grapplers series after the season to give everyone a different
angle of all the actions behind the scenes. Look, make
sure you don't miss any of the drama that is
still gonna happen, except for it's gonna happen in real time.
So if Week one is on Wednesday night, the Grapplers

(11:06):
episode will drop by Monday the following week, so that
you see the behind the scenes before the next week
even happens.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
So, dude, this is gonna be so huge. Bro, this
is so awesome. I'm so excited. I know that obviously,
I think that some people might be looking at some
of the challenges of the week two week season, but
I think that it's made it above the PGF has
made it above that threshold that, like you said, the
elite athletes of the sport, they're gonna figure it out.

(11:34):
They're gonna have a sponsor, they're gonna move to Vegas
for some weeks or whatever. Obviously, like you said, you
guys as an organization are trying to do some things
to try to make sure that the athletes are able
to make it happen. Dude, can you imagine a guy
like Elijah in a house would like messing with these
dudes and stuff like that for weeks. You know, I

(11:56):
know I know some of the other guys, like I
know some of the in this weight class. It's it's
one some of them are a little bit younger and
stuff like that. Like, there's gonna be so many dynamics
off the mat that you guys are gonna be able
to capture. And like I said, I think that this
is gonna be so awesome. Man, this is gonna the

(12:17):
especially for the fans. Like it's almost like just the beginning.
It's like, you guys get to like, now you guys
have the chance to follow the athletes. You know what
that looks like. You guys behind the scenes know what
to expect, some of the attrition, some of the moments
that are gonna matter and want to be caught on
camera and those dynamics, and these dudes are gonna be

(12:39):
hopping into it kind of unaware because they weren't involved
in the early seasons. I think it's gonna be incredibly entertaining,
especially because one of the things that the PGF does
so well, that you do so well, Brandon does so well,
is investing in storylines, you know, investing in the characters
of the sport. Obviously, myself as a subpar grappler, I mean,

(13:04):
I've been able to find some recognition in the community
because of y'all's ability to tell stories and maybe my
ability to run my mouth just a little bit, but
that deninly helps and maybe rastle a little bit. Your
boy can wrestle, you know what I'm saying, Little rister,
a little rister for the Graham in front of Eddie
didn't hurt, you.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Know, legendary I will say the story like. That's kind
of what I'm most excited about is that there's more
time to tell stories. So like certain games, like in
the NFL, for example, like Week fourteen matchup against whoever,
matters a lot because of how the season has gone.

(13:44):
It matters because of what the implications are for the playoffs.
It matters for various reasons, and if you don't know
those reasons, then it doesn't matter. So you have to
tell those stories to make people care. And so with
this format, we're gonna have so much more time to
tell these stories. That allows people to get invested emotionally

(14:07):
in specific matchups throughout the season. So another thing that's
a big difference is the draft this season is gonna
happen a month before the season begins, and so what
this does is it's gonna allow people to know the teams,
so you'll know who's on Team New Hope for a
whole month. We're gonna release the schedule of the season

(14:28):
a week after the draft, and so you're gonna know
who the Week five matchups are and the Week three
matchups are. You're gonna know the entire season schedule a month,
maybe even a month and a half, two months before
the match actually happens. And so there's just so much
time to to for sports radio and the whole ecosystem

(14:52):
to like be surrounded over the whole PGF, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And as as an athlete, it's a I will say
that the I believe the first season that we did
was thirty they want to be in thirteen weeks in
a row or something like that because of draft matches, playoffs,
all all sandwich together. That that is a war of attrition.

(15:18):
And like obviously the viewability of it is going to
be incredible, the storylines are going to be incredible, But
the athletes, man, I really, you know, this really will
give athletes their first chance xing and owing, the putting
together real strategies for the game, Like because now you're

(15:39):
not just like you said, you're actually gonna be able
to You're not gonna have twenty you know, twenty two
to twenty four hours or something like that to game
plan for this match against you know, in the previous season,
you know, Kevin Berning or something like that, Like, oh shit,
I would love to go back and like practice leglock
defense for a for a few days before I go

(16:01):
out there against the Young Assassin, you know what I'm saying.
And so the coaching dynamic of the athletes and their
camps at back home. You know, I'm assuming the coaches
might not make it, but that's gonna just completely change
the sport. It's gonna just it's it's really really gonna

(16:23):
be everything that we always hoped that it would turn into.
And I'm excited to see now that it's elevated to
a certain level, the greatest minds of the sport. They
are going to be trying to game plan. You know,
You've got some guys from B Team and Danaher and
all these guys that you got all these opportunities to
try to let these guys actually get involved, and I

(16:46):
think it's gonna be absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, I think this is definitely gonna be the best
season yet for so many different reasons, and there's a
couple of reasons that nobody even those about yet, Like,
we've still got some big announcements to make that are
gonna that's gonna make the crowd pop.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
So what about Like, so one of the previous seasons,
one of the With the Week season, one of the
challenges was the alternates because of the quick turnaround of
the matches and stuff like that. It's gonna be easier
on your alternate list now, I think.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, in theory it should. There's still gonna be some injuries,
so we'll still use alternates, but in theory, with it
being extended and not condensed, I think that'll be better
on everyone's bodies, So we should see less use of
the alternates in theory.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Man, that's huge, dude. I'm I'm super excited, obviously, huge,
huge support of the PGF, Very very excited about what
you guys have got cooking up. Dude, so freaking awesome.
In the So, we've been at on the PGF for
for quite some time. Should we chat a little bit
about some of the other.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Dude, some of the other topics I've got I've got
a fun topic for you.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
First.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Let me just open with this stat. Okay, balal Muhammad,
UFC champ. I'm sure you're familiar with the guy, Yes, sir,
you know that he's been in the UFC octagon fighting
for longer than four hours. Like, if you add all
his octagon time, he's been in that ocgon for longer

(18:29):
than four hours.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Okay, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
That's impressive. Now here's the fun stat. He's never not once,
he's never knocked down an opponent. Mm hmm what just
here in that stat? What does that say to you?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
M m?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
It's uh huh. First of all, uh, I have to
say that bal Muhammed is an incredible mixed martial artists. However,
bird that tells me as a coach that my boy
just don't got the he just don't got the hands
quite like that compared to the other guys on the roster.

(19:11):
If you I mean imagine, I mean, like, I wonder
what like a guy I mean, let's say Sean O'Malley.
You know, how how long has he been in the
octagon and how many.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Dudes he dropped? I bet he's dropping fools, man, you know,
minute by minute almost So I think that it also
kind of tells the story a little bit about what
the people want to see us, you know, even from
a champion, like I understand, dude, you you're fighting the
best guys on the planet. You got to play it safe.
You're trying to hold onto the championship, You're trying to

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hold onto that contract, that spot, that limelight, all those things.
But man, the at the end of the day, it's
a tough gig, the hurt business because it's kind of
run off of that just bleed energy and now below
Muhammad finds himself almost as like it turns these guys
into like these kind of heel like champions of sort

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where the people are just like dying for somebody to
show up and knock them out. And it's like, I mean,
it's kind of like a tough dynamic of the sport,
but it's definitely the way.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
That it is.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
It's one hundred percent that way.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, And I don't have a problem with like a
predominantly grappling mixed martial artist, Like that's obviously not an issue.
We love jiu jitsu, big wrestling fan, but it's for
some reason I have this perception of Balal as being
boring and then I find out that he's got all

(20:43):
this UFC octagon time, and he's never knocked anyone down.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
And well you find out that he's he is boring.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, and I'm like, okay, well it's confirming my suspicions
that he was boring. And it's like, because we watch
Islam or kab Bee or these like incredible grapplers just
like grapple dominate these guys, and it's like, that's that's
still fun to watch. But Welaw doesn't really do that either.
I don't. I don't really know what the situation there is.

(21:10):
And it kind of bothers me that he's the champ,
but we got to respect him when he's like winning
on points and stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's very martial, it's little arts. You know. I would
rather like a like, all right, caveat this into a
Cory Sandhagen discussion, you know what I'm saying. It gets
the people go in, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
And that dude obviously is an incredible grappler as well.

(21:38):
But the people want to see you throw them, throw
them and biscuit makers at somebody, you know what I'm saying.
They want to see you razzle, dazzle and throw down
fisticuffs and that's just not ever gonna change. And I
love I love grappling, I love wrestling, I love jiu jitsu.

(21:59):
But man, like my guys is you know, I coach
an MMA team here at the Planet Birmingham. I tell
them it's prize fighting. It's it's not You've got literally,
it's got to get the people going. Uh. And speaking
of getting the people going, shout out to the sniper
Justin Jamar and Dylan Booker. The boys went too and

(22:22):
oh two knockouts this past weekend in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Nice little slip and rip that.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Will get the people going. Brother, you show up, and
you show up and the whole everyone on the squad
knocks everyone out. That'll get you know, they'll have us back.
I'm sure we'll be back, you know, dude.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Speaking of giving the people what they want, Balal Muhammad
got into a bit of an altercation over this past
week with one Kumarro Usman on a podcast.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Have you heard about this? I've not heard this this story. No,
I'm not familiar with what's happened.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
So basically, I'm sure you've seen some clips of Kamara
Usman and Henry Sehudo on a podcast recently. Have you
seen any.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, I think I think I've seen I think I've
seen both of the champs on there.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So I don't know what they call the podcast, but
they've got a podcast, okay, and they have various guests.
They invited balal Muhammad. Now balal Muhammad is the current
champion of the Welter Ray Division and Kamara Usman was
the champion of the Welter Ray Division, and so I
assume there was a bit of tension already. But they

(23:35):
shared the same manager, Ali Al, that guy you know Ali, Yeah,
And so Ali's like, look, we're all cordial here, y'all
do the podcast. It'll be good publicity. So blall comes
on the podcast and at some point, apparently Kamara Usman
says something like, you know, you're like a worst version

(23:57):
of me, and.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Kamara Usman started talking first to Malala Mohammad from what
I understand, and he's crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
He's like, yeah, you're a worst version of me. I
kind of do like everything better. And then Balala Muhammad
was like, yeah, you do everything better except for take
head kicks, I guess, and that one cut deep tomorrow. Instantly,
he instantly triggered him, and I.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Felt triggered by that. That was that would trigger you
know what I'm saying. And I'm not even a Kamara
the huge of Kamara Usman fan uh Man, that would
that would that would trigger your boy? You know what
I'm saying. There's nothing There's something about losing a fistfight
that's not like losing a basketball game, you know, and
getting head kicked and then homies bringing it up. Y'all

(24:46):
supposed to be on the same team. I don't know,
but but I do based off of your your version
of the story, it sounds like Kamara Usman was in
the wrong. Brother. You can't be jabbing the champ on
the pot post like that, you know what I'm saying.
I mean, you can, but that's what happens next. Is
what happens next?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, So Kamara Usman was like, hey, dude, show some
respect or it's on site, and then Belall was like, whoa,
I'm in front of you right now.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
What's good? Family, And apparently.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's it kind of popped off and Henry Sahudo tries
to break it up and he twists his ankle and
other people him and now this is all hit.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Wait wait, wait, wait, Henry Sehudo sprained his ankle while
trying to break up the welterweight fight on his podcast.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, now he's retiring for the third time. But brother,
I don't know any of this for certain. These are
all reports. What happened is the podcast Kamara Usman has
the footage and he hasn't posted it, and so Belall's like, hey,

(26:00):
post the footage. People want to see it, and which
leads me to believe that Belall might have won the interaction.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I want to see it.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Everybody does. And this, honestly, this is the only thing
that sets up an exciting fight for Belaw. Is okay,
run the footage, now, let's see it. I want you
all to get locked in the cage together, and I
want to see who comes out on top. And this
is the only potential exciting match for Belaw. Like he's
got a match coming up on UFC three fifteen and

(26:32):
liked the chimp.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Do you know if it was fighting on three fifteen?
Isn't that in like a couple weeks or something.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, I know it's coming up soon. I can, I
can look right quick. But my point, I.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Mean, I didn't know that he was fighting on it.
I just knew that the UFC three fifteen was the
next one, and I did not uh know that the
champ was gonna go in there and and run it.
Like I said, he just gotta get the people going.
That the podcast footage would get the people go, and
he's right about that. Yeah, that's gonna put some some
some fans in the stands, if you will.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
So I'm gonna share the screen right quick.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Dude, the the adults are out right now, we'll turn
we'll turn this podcast up. This would be TMZ brother
right here. Let's let them roll that footage out so
we will be here spilling the tea brother.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
The champ balal Mohammed's taking on Jack Della Maddelina, which
good fight, Like it's going to be a good fight,
but it's not like one that like.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
The people are like, oh snap right, Yeah, we've got
Valentino Chefchenko coming back against you know, someone who I
assume is a lamb coming for the slaughter.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Unfortunately for her hairdresser. I love Valentino, but there's just
not another girl that I'm excited to watch her beat up,
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, she's I mean, her career has been phenomenal. Obviously,
she is an absolute legend. If she's not already in
the Hall of Fame, she will be in the Hall
of Fame. I'm sure of it. And it's yeah, I mean, man,
good for her for staying active and like loving to
compete and staying in love with the sports. She's been
on top for a long time and just decimated the
women's division, and it's it's just a it's not a

(28:11):
conversation that we had about it.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, and then we've got Jose Aldo, which legend, super exciting,
but you know, back half of his career, it's not
like he's like headline and stuff. Alexa Grosso love to
watch her fight, don't.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Who was who is Aldo fighting.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ai men Zahabby? He's ranked number fifteen.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I feel like they're putting, they're taking Jose all those
willingness to hop back in the fire, and they just
kind of keep feeding them to prospects a little bit.
I think that he had like forget who the fight was,
but he had a he had a really good performance
maybe maybe two fights ago, and it just kind of
like revived his you know, his name and the conversations.

(28:58):
And I feel like now they're just gonna feed him prospects.
So I don't know who that cat is, but it's
interesting that they match him up against Jose Alda on
the main card. Yeah, we gotta We'll have to see.
And then Alexa Grosso is fighting Natalia Silva.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, I don't know which Alexa Grosco. I mean, you know,
she looked like she was belonging in the ring with
Valentino Chefchenko, So I imagine there's not really anyone else
that's gonna beat up Alexa, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, I thought I was very impressed with with her
her fight. Man, she she definitely brings the fighting spirit
into the into the cage with her brother. That Valentina
Shipchenko fight was crazy. This is, uh, with all these
obscure opponents, this is when we need the true professional teach.
You know, TJ. DeSantis, he already knows all of these

(29:49):
people on this card.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, and but see, that's kind of the problem is
that it takes uh a TJ. TJ. Savant to know
these fighters on this car and there's not a ton
of like exciting matchups. There's like a superstar ish on
one side or the other. But I did see something
as I was scrolling through Instagram the other day, that

(30:11):
was like showing how many open seats there are still
to be sold for UFC three fifteen, which apparently felt
like a big deal.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Dang, So what about these these kind of we'll call
it an off card. And on these off cards, sometimes
these dudes, I don't know if they get disrespect, feel
a little disrespect or what that nobody's chatting it up,
or they're reading the Instagram comments leading up to the
fight and they just go in there and slang it
yes all night. You know what I'm saying. Love that,

(30:39):
fingers crossed for that. But the problem is is that
you usually have to catch that on Instagram, you know
what I'm saying. Yeah, And that's that's the tough that's
the tough part of it.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
The worst part is like no one's gonna go out
of their way to pay almost one hundred bucks for
a pay per view unless they're excited about the card.
And so like a bloh Mohammed is not a big
draw to me. I'm sorry, and like I know he's
the champ. I want to I'll watch him fight tomorrow.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I need to see that footage first. Brother, that's what
is well what if? So now my question is what
if that was all just part of the plan? Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I like you know what I'm saying. I like where
you're going speaking of like UFC and stuff. You mentioned
san Hagen. He just had to finish this past weekend
against uh Javison Figadero. Watched you watch the fight.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Man, I went back and I had to give it
a watch. Corey Sandhagen is one of the most impressive
mixed martial artists that is active in the sport right now.
If you are truly a mixed martial arts fan, uh man,
that guy is super good. I was watching the fight
and fire Figureta is an amazing fighter, Bro. He's been

(31:59):
the champ. Uh I mean, I don't I want to
say that was the first time he'd ever been finished
in the fight in a fight, I believe.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I can't remember if Brandon Mareno. I think he made
him tap out one time in one of their post
twelve fights.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah. Possibly, But that's what I'm saying. He's been on
top of the division, at the top of the division
for a long time, and uh man, I was I
thought that was a hell of a test for Corey Sanhagen,
and he looked absolutely awesome. I think that he put
a firm stamp on his name in the title contention
and like, for me, like, dude, could you imagine uh,

(32:36):
Cory Sanhagen versus Sean O'Malley love it? That would be
a that'd be an awesome fight. I mean, I think
that the UFC will probably keep those guys away from
each other in my opinion, but uh yeah, I mean
he looked fantastic. Bro. He's grappling, his movement, his ability

(32:57):
to change stances. He just flows super super fluidly, and
of course trains with Ryan Hall and freaking snapped homies
knee in fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Just positionally too. It wasn't even like submission based. It
was just positional. Davison wasn't reinforcing that leg that was
weaved in there, and when Sanagan was getting up, it
was just a classic LCL pop. It's like the same
thing that happens when someone tries to play rubber guard
but they don't they don't hold their knee. Yeah, like

(33:29):
holding on that. It's like that same little knee pop
that happens. Very unfortunate, but very easy to avoid. If
he would just like figure for his legs and stop
trying to get up see some of.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
The some of the some of the exchanges, it looked
like Davison really really wanted to leg lock him. I'm
assuming because he knows that he trains with Ryan Hall,
and it looked like, in my opinion, he got a
little bit too attached to some of the grappling exchanges.
And then of course in like fifty fifty if you

(34:00):
understand Ryan Hall, you know, I think he has a
joke about it. It's like you only they only call
it fifty to fifty if you suck at it, you know.
And I mean it's just kind of almost too perfect
that Homie popped his knee against one of the guys
that trains it, you know, probably the best fifty to
fifty player, one of the best fifty to fifty players

(34:22):
on the planet, and his pupil, Corey Sandhagen, popped his
knee and then smacked him a couple of times. Brother,
he powered through. He's very respectful after the fight. Though.
I think that Corey Sanhagen would be a fantastic person
to have in the championship seat.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Dude, I got a couple of comments right here that
we'll address before we move into buy hersell. So first
this one, What the hell was Misha Tate doing fighting
the other night? I thought she had quit a long
time ago, and this is news to me. She fought
the other night, That's what I'm saying, Patricia, give us
some more news on that and we'll address it. I

(35:00):
sec I got another one right here. What do you
guys think about the Sharat bullet guy? Do you know
who that? Do you know who they're talking about? Uh?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
The one the one I fell out? Yeah, I really
got two eyes. He's got one different eye. Yeah. That
dude looks like an axe murder. He he definitely is
a is a handful. One of the things that people
might not really understand about fighting is like there is
a very very high level technical aspect of fighting, and

(35:29):
then there's this right here where you just just pound
on your chest a little bit and you go out
there and do it for yourself or your family, for
your country, for your for your whatever, you know. And
that dude seems to be pretty motivated to fight his
ass off and just kind of a scary human.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And I don't know what it is. It's something about
like a guy that needs an eye patch for real.
That just gives me the he be gbis, but he's
he gives them to me and all his fights, he's
just it seems like he's just ready to kill or
be killed. Yeah, the problem is he just got he
just got forced into retirement. I don't know if y'all

(36:12):
are aware of that, but the UFC made him leave.
He's done. I don't think we'll see him really, something
about really didn't pass a vision test or something like that.
They just can't let him fight in there.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, they have. They have a very extensive They make
you get some pretty extensive tests to fight in major organizations.
And I mean, yeah, that's tough. I didn't realize that
he had he had been dismissed from the roster, but.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, kind of rough. All right, we're gonna move into
by Hersell And I've got one that I feel like
I want to ask you. All right, Bo Nickel just
took his first loss. He's no longer undefeated the wrestling phenom,
and unfortunately it comes after the comments that he was
saying about how American wrestling is ten times better than

(36:58):
these Dagastanian and they got enough and then he comes
in and gets done up in the second round. I
believe give me some thoughts by or Cell and like
stock up or stock down will hit let both these segments,
I think we need to talk about it for him.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Oh so, I personally what I don't want this to
be misappropriated as is if I am telling you that
I never wanted to buy Bo Nickel as the champ
period this this could lead me into the hot take.

(37:37):
It just has to be. I have to let it.
I have to let the hot take out now. I
personally believe that by the time that it's twenty twenty five,
if you're gonna be a high level mixed martial artist,
it is a death sentence for your mixed martial arts
career for you to try to wrestle on a world

(37:59):
class stage, to go a Jordan Burrows level into the
sport of wrestling. Excuse me, it's a complete nuance that
you have to go. You have to go all the
way in. You can't be spending time boxing, you can't
be spending time doing I mean not really doing jiu jitsu.
I mean that's grappling, so it's related, but obviously like

(38:21):
learning Muay Thai, not on the to do list at
Penn State. You know what I'm saying, And it was
very clear through his through his fight that wrestling is
that is an amazing attribute, skill set, whatever you want
to call it, to have in your back pocket. But
mixed martial arts has evolved past a single dimension martial

(38:43):
artist that was done ten or fifteen years ago where
you just had the guys that were just boxers or
just jiu jitsu guys or whatever. And so if you're
gonna go, you know, if you're a young mixed martial
artist and you're trying to get into to the UFC,
by the time that you go wrestle until age twenty

(39:04):
seven or twenty eight, you're gonna be getting your ass
kicked by some of these kids that didn't. Now, like
I said, what you're gonna have is you're gonna have
two scoops of that dog in you if you wrestled
at Penn State, brother, There's no doubt about that. And
I do want to add that Bo Nickel went out
on his shield like an absolute gangster. That derritor cat

(39:25):
need a hole in his soul at least at least
five different times where most men would be done right,
then an average man done on the first one, not
even close. But god, the muy thai is a skill
set that if you're a young wrestler, you better get
into boxing. You better get into muytai soon, because it's

(39:51):
if you create those neural pathways for twenty years and
then you start trying to learn boxing. We see what's happening.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Here's something I will say about the Bo Nickel thing. Well,
so I don't know if you've seen, but he cut
thirty eight pounds to make that fight. Thirty eight pounds
during fight week, so like he was bulking up or
whatever for like the camp. And then you know, when
they start the UFC Embedded it's like, what maybe a

(40:25):
week away from the fight is when they start the
embedded series. And on the first embedded episode, bo Nickel
was weighing in and he was thirty eight pounds overweight
on the embedded series. So we're talking about in less
than a week.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Even if let's give him, let's say that let's give
the production four weeks, Like, let's say that they did
get out there four weeks.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Before thirty eight pounds is absurd.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
If I had one of my guys on my roster
and now check it out. We're not there yet. Maybe
one day, if I'm coaching a couple guys in the UFC,
we'll figure out if I'm going to actually pull them
off of a UFC card for being thirty eight pounds overweight.
So I understand I cut in a tremendous amount of
weight when I was fighting. If there's one thing that

(41:13):
I could recommend to that young fighters, stop cutting. Stop
cutting yourself in half the week of the fight. You're
not this, You're just not You're not the same person
when you go out there to fight.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
You're just That's what I want to ask is, like,
you know more than almost anybody, how how much different
is a need to the body and a fight in
the first round and second round? How much different is
it whenever you're ready to go, I'm full, I've got
all my nutrition versus I just cut forty pounds this week.

(41:46):
What's the difference in that body shot.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I was talking to you know, I was watching the
fight my whole day, sitting there experience in my experience,
and so I was telling her. I was like, man,
when you're dog tired like that and you're at the
end of your your rope and you go to lunge
a shot and you exhale when you throw it, and
they hit you in that knee when you with that
soft tissue and you're not flexed and you're you're tired,

(42:11):
that will break. Like all Like I've read all the
comments of all these dudes that have obviously never had
a amateur fight or probably never even fought somebody in
school pansies, and so what I'm saying is is that
like that was a real life knee to the liver
that would shut any person down, regardless of whatever pedigree

(42:32):
they have or whoever their daddy was or whatever. Like
that is the end of your day if you get
hit with a knee like that. And I mean, uh,
de ridder is how do I says less than de ridor? Yep, man,
he he looks sharp. I don't really know that his
It's one of the first times I've seen him fight.

(42:53):
I don't know what is like at distance striking necessarily
looks like but he absolutely ate bow Nickel up the clinch.
His clinch fighting looked fantastic, and his jiu jitsu, by
the way, looked phenomenal. Bo Nicchol obviously took him down.
He hit him with he hit him with a shoulder crunch.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I mean he almost fond flu choked him at one time.
I mean, I was very impressed with the toritish jiu jitsu,
but obviously he about evaporated his entire being with a knee.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And dude, he looked bigger than Bo, Like he was
clearly the bigger man in the octagon. And Bo cut
forty pounds that week. Like what, I don't understand what
happened there. Bow needs to drop a weight class or something.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
So I but that's so. Look I saw that. I
saw people being like, yo, he needs to drop bo
Nicchol needs to drop a weight class. But you're telling
me that he just cut forty pounds the week in
the fight. The he can't.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
From what I understand, though, it's because he was bulking.
It's because he feels small in that division, so he
tried to bulk up, and his bulking like lasted a
little longer than he intended for this specific fight camp,
and so like he was overweight. But it's like, I
think he could do the opposite of bulking, which is

(44:07):
just like trim up, be a healthy athlete and then
see what you weigh. I bet he would weigh one
ninety and like as like a lean, mean fighting machine
bow nickel. He's weighing one ninety. You know what I'm saying.
I could be wrong, maybe two hundred, but there's no
possible dimension where he should weigh forty pounds over one

(44:27):
eighty five like that's coming from I don't bulk. He's
not even that tall.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I can't figure how he would weigh that much and
like his I mean, no disrespect intended, but he doesn't
look great, you know what I'm saying. He does doesn't
look like a His physique is not like somebody that
just put on twenty pounds of muscle or whatever to

(44:52):
perform at one eighty five. If you got to put
twenty pounds of muscle to fight at one eighty five,
just hop down to one seventy. But yeah, but it doesn't,
Like I said, the math on the other side of
it says that homie, if he's having to cut down
from what what does that make it to twenty or
something to twenty five or thirty like, then there's no way, right, No,

(45:12):
I think that a lot of the one hundred and
seventy pound one hundred and seventy pounds. UFC fighters are
sitting at about two hundred pounds two o five maybe
even like there might even be one or two of
them that make it up to to two ten if
they're super out of shape or something. But if you're
an in shape athlete at one hundred and seventy pounds
cutting more than twenty, you know, twenty pounds is a lot.

(45:37):
You know. We try to tell the guys twelve percent.
I try to tell the guys like twelve percent of
your body weight, you know, because one of the mistakes
that you see is like you got a guy that's
cutting that much at win eighty five, all right, and
then his little homie that also wrestled at whatever, he's like, Yo,
I'm gonna cut that much weight to make one forty
five and you're gonna die, little man.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
That's percentage, Like you can't cut a leg off. What
do you think about Patty pimblet He's a we're talking
about weight, you know, he fluctuates quite a bit. As
Patricia is.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Saying, I think that Patty and everyone agrees that that's
not the way, but uh to to say that, you know,
after a fight, whether you win or you lose, You're
gonna go and drink a mountain dew code red the
drink in the streets. You know what I'm saying. You're
gonna You're gonna go have a fat plate of wings.

(46:26):
You're gonna go and have some some cake or some whatever.
You miss somebody's birthdays, so y'all are gonna go have
a special birthday dinner. And that's normal. I almost feel
like Paddy gets like would get big like that in
some sense, to like troll people that said that that's
not good. You know, he knows it's not the way.
It's not. It's a it's definitely the yo yo dieting

(46:48):
is is not the route. You know. It's the story
of Icarus and datalist. You need you need to find
the little middle or you need to do like this.
You don't need to do this and this and now
I'm not. Oh, you didn't know your boy was well
read like that?

Speaker 2 (47:03):
That was impressive. I gotta be honest.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
You didn't know that your boy knew Greek mythology like that.
You thought it was a simpleton from Birmingham, Alabama. You
wouldn't do that wrong, brother.

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Speaker 1 (47:58):
Brother? The jerky chip. I'm just it makes me want
to like listen in a little bit when you when
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Speaker 2 (48:06):
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Speaker 1 (48:18):
I mean. People are entitled to their opinions, even if
it's right. I mean, there's a lot of people with
a lot of opinions, and you know what they say
about opinions, don't you quillan.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Here's another one that a lot of people don't know about,
all right, this one, I don't even know if you
know about it. I've got it as a topic that
we have to talk about because it feels like breaking news,
but no one's talking about it, all right. Francis n
Ganu got a motorcycle wreck and killed a girl over

(48:53):
the past I think in the last week or two.
It's a huge deal. He was in like a Cameron
or something like that, you know, overseas and oh no,
he's driving a motorcycle and from what I understand, he
hits or runs over a girl, immediately stops. They are

(49:14):
like addressing her, they rush her to the hospital. He
pays for all the medical bills. She ends up dying
before surgery or whatever. And anyway, so he's been like
with the family of the girl and like, man, definitely
taking it serious.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
But that's such a tragedy, that's such a such a
terrible turn of events. And it's like a real reminder that, like,
you know, while we're talking about these guys and their
last performance where they got knocked out or whatever, they're humans, man,
and that that's like one of those situations that kind
of snaps you back out of the just bleed And

(49:58):
that's very very sad considering all things. That girl lost
her life and that's terribly sad. Man. And like the
Francis and ghan who has been trying to kind of
liberate the mixed martial arts scene and stuff like that.
I think there's a lot of really really big Francis
and Ghana fans and that's, Oh, that's that's sad. It's

(50:19):
a I'm sure that's that's super super tough. Shout out
to the family.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
That's a that's a crazy day. That's that's a crazy
day at the office. I hate that.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah. I mean, I so we weren't here doing the
podcast last week, but I had it like as a
topic to bring up because I wasn't sure I was
gonna ask TJ. I was gonna like like, hey, is
this real, Like what's going on? And then another week
went by and I've seen some more stuff and yeah,
like you said, shout out to the family, and I

(50:52):
feel bad.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I wonder, I mean, especially if you've traveled to other countries,
I wonder what the situation is with things like that.
I mean, like if you go to like Columbia, Uh,
people are riding motorcycling. They're right, they're driving them in
crazy spots. I wonder what that looks like. Obviously in America,
we know that looks like vehicular manslaughter. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. Mm hmm. That's interesting. I'm sure that

(51:18):
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a terrible tragedy. I'd also would like to shout out
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Speaker 2 (51:39):
Dang, that was a deep cut. Let's let's move to
a another topic that's been running rampant on the internet's
the past week or two. I'd love to hear your
take on it. I've got a take on it. One
hundred men versus a gorilla. Let's talk about it, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Listen, I think that the true take I need to
I'm gonna hit you with the UNO reverse card on
this one, and I know how you feel about this.
I'm gonna I'm gonna reframe the question to you. I'm
going to ask you how many youse, how many Keelan
lawyers would it take to kill a gorilla? Obviously it's

(52:25):
not going to take you one hundred, right, So like,
what's how many Brandon mccathryn black belts is it gonna take?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
That's a that's a good question. Now, there's a lot
that goes into answering these kind of questions. Obviously, you
gotta know, you gotta know your opponent. Right. Of course,
their weaknesses. Gorillas have a bunch of strengths and various
weaknesses and a I'm just going to preface they're not

(52:59):
as big people think they are, right, Like, what is
it like in people's minds they think of a gorilla
being like this thousand pound monster, like closer to a
King Kong variation than what they would think of as
an actual gorilla. Yeah, I encourage anyone go to your
local zoo and just take a gander at the gorilla enclosure.

(53:22):
It's not King Kong sitting in there.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Okay, brother, you're so you're saying that you could get
you could get one of these, like you know, you
hear the story of the line and the zoo, and
over time his eyes start to kind of fade a
little bit, he loses his killer instinct. You're saying that
if you head down to the Birmingham, Alabama Zoo, you're
gonna take you know, Coco down there, and you're gonna

(53:45):
destroy Coco with you and how many other clones?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
So I gotta takes time to get there just a second.
Let mean the average size of a gorilla, they're about
five to six feet tall, anywhere from three fifty to
six hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Okay, so that's a that's a big range to six hundred.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Let's I saw it. But there was a comment, if
Francis n Ganu is the peak human, that would be
the six hundred pound gorilla human. Well, Kilan is not
a six hundred pound gorilla human, Like I'm not the
peak human, right, So you can't put Kielan's versus a
peak gorilla. So if a peak gorilla six hundred, that's

(54:29):
what one hundred Francis Dnghanus would be fighting, is the
six hundred pound gorilla. If you're putting one hundred kilans
against a gorilla. You have to give me like the
four hundred and fifty pound gorilla, all right.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Fifty four p fifty. Listen in the comments we got,
it's just how many how many Bowmans versus gorilla. I
mean Bowman is triple biscuit himself, he's three hundred, he's
three bills, and so I mean you're talking about a
four hundred and fifty the pound primeate that swings from trees. Brother,

(55:04):
can do a one arm pull up. I don't think
Bowman's got pull ups like that, brother.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
No, I think you're right, and I will say the gorilla,
they're on average five to ten times stronger than a human.
So if like, if you imagine a four hundred and
fifty pounds human, which those exist. Eddie Hall he was
four hundred and fifty pounds in his peak strong man days.
So we're talking about he's the size of a gorilla.

(55:32):
Like the gorilla I would be fighting, okay, except for
except for the gorilla stronger than Eddie Hall, the world's
strongest man, dude. Right, he's got the gorilla's got the
bite force of over one thousand pounds, which, just to
put that in perspective, a pit bull has a bite
force of around three hundred and fifty pounds, and so
for this gorilla to have over one thousand pounds more

(55:54):
than the pit bull, Like that's a big deal. Like
when a pit bull latches onto you, you can't get away, right,
it's like on you. Well, when the gorilla does that,
it just chomps through you.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
That's over.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, I'll just bite your arm off or something.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
If you could bite your arm and now you're dead,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
But how many times do gorillas bite things off? Not
that often? You know. It turns out they're vegetarians. They're
not out here killing stuff like, oh, so.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
You're saying that it's not gonna have the heart to
take you out.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Or the reps. Dude, if you look at any gorilla,
if you look at any gorilla fight that they beef
for a round or two and then they're out. They
never make it to the final bell. They never go
for the finish. It's always like a little bit of
beef to gain some respect and then they're gone. Like
they don't got the cardio one hundred. They don't have

(56:45):
the cardio.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
So this is the answer. I'm starting to starting to
you're starting to reveal your strategy a little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
So strategy is very important. Gorillas have most of the
physical attributes that would deem advantages you would say the humans.
We don't have a bunch of attributes that are gonna
be like, oh, that's an advantage for the humans except
for the mind, right, the ability to think and strategize.
So whenever it comes to the one hundred men versus

(57:12):
the human or versus the gorilla, I don't see it
as one hundred men just attacking this gorilla all at
once like a mob like a I don't even think
it's physically possible for one hundred people to attack the
gorilla at once, Like one hundred people's a lot of people.
Like the most you could attack it with at once
is like what a wave of fifteen or twenty guys

(57:33):
at one time or something like the max. So I'm
thinking more strategy here. I'm thinking there needs to be
like a three phase plan for the gorilla. First phase
is simply tire it out, Dude, I'm not trying to
engage immediately. I don't want to send like fifteen or
twenty guys in the first wave to just get sacrificed

(57:54):
to the gorilla. I think level one. Stage one of
the plan is use your fifteen or twenty guys to
try to tire out the gorilla. It's like playing a
game of keep away, Like you know, it's gonna be
charging around and beating its chest and trying to scare
you and like maybe hurt somebody. And everyone's just like

(58:14):
poking the bear, trying to stay away and get this
gorilla to explode and use all this energy and not die.
So let's say the twenty people that are trying to
play keep away and like tire this gorilla last I
don't know, ten fifteen minutes or whatever before they all
get taken out. Right, that has already drained the stamina

(58:34):
bar on this gorilla more than it's ever been drained
in the history of its life. All Right, It's never
been in a prolonged battle like this. And that was
just stage one I've got. I've got multiple more waves
of enemies with different strategies ready to go.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Okay, so so not how many casualties do you expect
out of the first bat to twenty? We're gonna use
twenty for simple math, Yeah, to lose them all then
you're gonna die. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm not moving on to the second phase until either
the gorilla is dead or all my twenty are dead
in the first wave. And I expect all my twenty
to die. But it's not gonna be because they just
went in and got wind mealed. It's gonna be because listen,
it took twenty minutes to tire him out, and he
was picking us off one by one by one, slowly

(59:24):
over time. And now he thinks it's over. The gorilla
thinks he did it. He killed all twenty, But the
fight is just beginning, and there's no water breaks.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Psychological warfare. Now, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I don't know if you're familiar, but there's a tribe
in Africa still to this day that hunts down Cape
Buffalo and wild Kudoo. And here's how they do it. Okay,
here's how they killed. Here's how they kill these incredible beats.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Did you just say wild dude?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah, dude, brother, you've been on that.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
You got that that monthly subscription the National Geographical in
to your phone. Dog, that's crazy. What is akdo?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
It's it's like a big horse bull thing with horns.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
That sounds terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
The spinning horns, you know what it sound like?

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
A yeah? Oh, okay, that's sounded like a bird. I
thought it was a bird.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Now these things are monsters. Now, how this tribe gets them? Okay?
They they take three dudes, okay, and they go out
there with a with a canteen of water. That's it.
That's all they got, and then a little knife and
they run after this kudoo. And the kodoo runs away, right,
and then the humans just keep keep running and tracking

(01:00:40):
the koodoo and then they find him again, and the
kudoo runs away, and they keep on running. It's like
they're marathon runners. They're just jogging. And they do this
process all day long. We're talking about like six seven
hours of just like running after this kudoo until eventually
they come up to this kudoo and it just can't
run anymore. It knows that it just needs to run,

(01:01:03):
and it can't. It can't. It lies there and watches
the humans walk up to it. After twenty five miles
of running, after seven hours of this chase, the kudu
has nothing left in it, and the humans walk up.
They say a prayer, they rub some dirt on it,
and they stab it and then they bathe in its

(01:01:23):
blood and eat it and take it to the family. Ay,
and it's incredible, because that's nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
That's the craziest thing that you said, that's been said
on this podcast all day. I did not know that
people were out running I mean unicorns, is what it
sounds like. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Lance knows you run them till they lay down, see
the spirit hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Lance does know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So I bring that up to say the gorilla has
never been to the brink of exhaustion like we would
put him through simply with the strategy. It's like bo Nickel.
I mean, look, everybody, the body shot and the cardio
will kill any man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Okay, first live rep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That gorilla is gonna he's gonna we gotta take him
to the deep waters, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
So now that poses the question, because this is very
important when considering fighting. What is the arena that we're
fighting in. You know, we've talked a bunch about the
PGF and stuff like that. The arena matters. And so
with an MMA fight, if I've got a guy who
is like a knuckle dragon just gonna go in there
and throw bombs, or like maybe some guy that just

(01:02:34):
he needs to like out wrestle everybody fighting. That twenty
foot cage is exactly what you want, you know. But
then if you've got you've got this guy like an
Ian Machado, Gary, you know, Steven Wonder Boy Thompson, like
we want them in a thirty foot cage, you know
what I'm saying. Uh So, now I just have to
ask what is the arena that you and so far

(01:02:56):
it sounds like only twenty one kilings. Yeah, are gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I imagine a gladiator pit like in the Colosseum of sorts,
is what I'm thinking. Very nice, So like you've got
almost a football field of space.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
So I'm I'm gonna so so is the note? Is
it twenty one kilings? No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
So I think the first wave they all die, tiring
him out, and then we send the next wave of
twenty Now. Now, also it's important to know you had
the caveat of one hundred kilings. If I had one
hundred humans, I would choose very specific humans for each wave,
Like the first wave of humans would be our agility.

(01:03:39):
Our runners are quick guys that could just piss off
the gorilla. That's literally all you're there to do is
make it tired, make it explode, piss it off, get
it tired. The second wave of twenty are gonna be
our brutes. These are gonna be our guys that are massive,
the Bowman's of the world, the Eddie Halts, you know,
like the big guys that we have to just go

(01:04:03):
in there, try to do as much damage as possible.
We're looking to fight as dirty as possible, continue tiring
them out. I'm expecting to lose these twenty as well,
but by the day so we're looking in it, we're
looking the end of the second twenty is basically all
the gorillas got in it. So that's forty people that
it's had to kill, twenty agility, twenty brutes, and throughout

(01:04:26):
this whole process we've prolonged it. We're not just going
in attacking all at once. We've prolonged this experience. So
we've been fighting for at least an hour now, and
he's killed forty of us. Yes, I think it takes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Five more forty five. It takes you and and you
and four other kielings to go in there and control
each limb. And so now that postes the final question,
what is the final blow? Is the final blow you
just missing, you know what I'm saying? Or is it
a have we seen your naked choke it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Mike? Have you seen the the safe wrap system from
the gracis yeah, that they're trying to like get the
police to do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, you saw.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Them get a hold of Big Dan, the six eight
human gorilla, and safe wrap him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I didn't see him safe wrap Big Dan. I did
see him get ahold of our boy Jeff Glover. Though,
you know what I'm saying, it seems like they it
seems like they got him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Indeed, now the the one where they do it against
Big Dan. He's six eight, three hundred pounds. Okay, he's
basically a gorilla, it seems like it, and he had
nothing that he could do. So I guess what I'm
getting at is, eventually we get this gorilla so tired
that it eventually five or six of us can say

(01:05:48):
wrap this dude, and then it's up to us how
we want to end it. He's just got nothing left.
It's the kudoo laying there. He's got nothing left.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
So how do we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Want to kill him? It's up to us I might
sprinkle some dirt, say or prayer and then end his life.
Brother forty five under fifty, I don't think it takes
fifty is plenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
I'm gonna go on ahead and say that I do,
first of all, believe that if anyone could do it,
it's you. Because confidence is gonna be key, because if
they throw in like I'm gonna be a I'm gonna
turn into a complete coward. If there's a gorilla, I
don't know what it is. It's the inner child sees

(01:06:31):
you know, sees the king come on like, oh God.
I think that's the issue with this whole entire thing
is that when it's like seeing people want their first
MMA fight, they're like, yo, coach, I can get one
of those MMA fights. And I'm like, yeah, for sure.
And then when they hop in there in the arena,
their eyes are this big you could see them behind

(01:06:54):
these glasses if you needed to, and their cardio goes
and the game plan and I personally, because this is
obviously you can't go a live rep against a gorilla
as a human either. I feel that the gorilla is
gonna kill one hundred humans because it's like it, let's

(01:07:15):
take this conversation a different way. You've taught mixed martial
arts classes before, perhaps you've ever been in charge of
the kids class, and so you play a little game
at the end of the day and it's like you
versus the kids or whatever. And obviously I'm thracksing thirty
five ten year olds. You know what I'm saying, easy money,

(01:07:38):
easy money, and proportionally me to a ten year old
seems about like kind of what we're talking about. And like, dude,
little you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Think you could kill one hundred ten year olds if
they were trying to kill you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Brother? With all the game plan is one hundred judy
chops right to the jugular. You know what I'm saying,
Bye by You know what I'm saying, it's over with.
They don't stand a chance, I scoff at the any
bring me listen now. I also say, if these are

(01:08:12):
Andy Varilla's kids class kids, then maybe I've got a
different situation on my hands. You know what I'm saying, Uh,
We're gonna have to cut the age off at his
ten year olds. You know what I'm saying. I think
I think that one hundred of Andy Verrella's ten year
olds could absolutely take me out. You know what I'm saying,
I gotta see the roster. I gotta see the lineup. Dude.
This is getting crazy, you know. But the average the

(01:08:34):
average person that's having this discussion on Instagram, Yeah right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Oh, one hundred percent, dude. I don't believe that a
hundred of the random dudes a target could take a gorilla.
Like No, I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Ninety nine percent of the people that are having this
discussion on the Internet wouldn't even slap a grown man
that was two hundred pounds for smacking their wife on
the on the rear end. Brother, you know what I'm
saying Like that, we're not talking about the type of
people that are just going to go and fight a gorilla.
They're going to be absolutely useless in that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I believe. So I have I have an idea on
how we can actually make this happen. All right, All
jokes aside, There's got to be one hundred people, one
hundred dudes that are on death row, life in prison

(01:09:32):
that are willing to risk it to get out free.
Because I would be willing to let prisoners out and
have their freedom back if they were willing to test
this hundred man versus a gorilla thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
There's a few different reasons that we could possibly have
that discussion, and I think that this social experiment is
probably at the top of that list. What are we
talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
It feels that way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I feel like the real opportunity is me versus one
hundred kids. If you're listening to this podcast, sign your
kids up. Subconscious Studios is gonna throw this together matt
Elkins versus one hundred kids to settle this gorilla versus
one hundred men debate because I'm sick of seeing these AI.
I'm sick of AI. I'm just sick of it. You

(01:10:21):
know what I'm saying. I'm ready to run this thing,
aren't you? Y'all scared to play for blood not your
boy you know, give me your ten year olds, bring
me your ten year olds. It's over with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I think that's honestly the closest thing, like, you know,
scale wise, one hundred men versus a gorilla, matt Elkins
versus one hundred kids, like those are pretty similar in
the same way where I feel like a gorilla, Like
have you seen the chimps? Let's just talk about chimps
for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Oh, it's over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Chimps destroy humans very casually. Yes, we'll just like grab
your face and rip it off, like rip your finger
off for fun, and like your hands. It's like when
they grab and do that jerking motion and they could
just like rip your arm off your body.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I feel like I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I feel like you could do that to a child,
Like if you grabbed a child by the arms and
just tried to jerk arms out of sockets, like you
can probably do that, And so I feel like you
versus a child is the equivalent of a gorilla versus
a human.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
It's pretty cool, brother, I'm gonna arm drag a ten
year old and rip their arm out of the you
know what I'm saying. It's and then he's now that
little kid's over there crying in the corner. He's trying
to leave so he can play Fortnite later, and I'm
the king of the world, King Kong himself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Yeah, but like you said, a hundred of Andy Varrilla's
murderous children is different than your average kid, and which
is the same thing as saying like one hundred average
dudes versus like one hundred John Jones's or something like
that it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
If you have like Marvel Studios access to all of
the people, you know what I'm saying, then I'm very
confident that we could find one hundred human ish, humanoid
people whatever you want to call those folks that could
probably could probably get or done. But like like I said,

(01:12:14):
ninety percent of the people that have posted this discussion
on Instagram couldn't even beat one hundred and fifty pound
blue belt you know what I'm saying, much less a
gorilla man. So with that, I with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
My ap pullback. All right, Well, I'm sad that TJ
wasn't here to finish this gorilla talk with us. I
feel like he would have had some interesting takes on it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I would have had to ask TJ, how many tjs
would it take for you to kill a gorilla? Like
I think that's the new question for everyone is how
many US does it take to try to do you know,
try to do the deed and try to get them,
you know, is it going to take? I think that

(01:12:58):
it would take somewhere about two hundred and fifty tjs.
I think that the gorilla would get tired from killing
TJ's and then that's the best bet yeah, well, I
guess we'll find out in the next episode of The Rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Well, you know, I know our other two weren't here,
but this was fun. Matt, you got any the people.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I've had an absolute blast and thank you boys and
girls for tuning into the Rounds. It is I Matt Elkins.
I will see you guys again next week. Keeling Lawyer
shout out Father Jerky.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Shout out to Salt Elector Lights. If you don't know
about them, you better figure it out. All I gotta
say is Salt all day. Screw you Liquid IV. Let's
go

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Let them know.