The Rounds: Will Gordon Ryan Remain Jiu-Jitsu's Biggest Star?

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ongoings in combat sports. We can start with wn O.
They were live last week b MAC where you tuned in.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Uh yeah, I was there. I flew into Austin's my
daughter's birthday and she's a little jiu jitsu head, a
little dork like myself. So we loaded up on the
old Delta airlines and flew over to Austin, Texas and
we were sitting right there's me, Logan, Zoe and Heather
flew in. Eddie Bravo was there, Carlos Machado and his son.

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We had us a little VIP table and we were Yeah,
it was dude. It was a great card, big energy.
I actually had a blast. It was nice to like
sit and enjoy my sport as a spectator for once
without working.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Weird though, Like you walk in You're like, what am
I supposed to do? I should be doing something? Oh no,
I can just relax.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
No, it wasn't weird at all. I shmoozed it up
and acted like I was cool.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
It was great, sneakers up on a chair, relaxed.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, you know, you mentioned Eddie Bravo. I saw the
clip of Ben and Eddie getting to win, and Eddie
was freaking out, like he just won with a walk
off home run in Game seven of the World Series.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Well, he did win with a walk off home run.
He was behind the whole match, and then he he
got one look. He just got one look the whole match,
and one pitch came across the plate in the right
spot and he sent it out of the park. It
was awesome, best sub of the night, coolest highlight of
the whole night for sure, probably the best highlight they've
ever had on WNO. Man, anytime Ben Eddie gets an

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overhook with his left arm, you could just guarantee you're
about to have to try to survive a Hindu La team.
It's it's a it's guaranteed.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
That's really the thing about Ben Eddie, Like, I don't
think he's top of mind necessarily when people think about
like world beaters in jiu jitsu, But if you make
one mistake with him.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
One particular mistake, it's one exact mistake, and almost everybody
makes it at some point in the match because he's
capitalizing on you doing what you're supposed to do. If
you do what you're supposed to do as a good
grappler and take that underhook, he's gonna eat you alive.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
And he he just snaps it on so fast, and
he did something that I haven't seen him do. He
was I was asking him about it afterwards, but he
he overhooked the leg, like he wrapped the leg to
stop the lift. I haven't seen him do that yet
in competition or like, can't remember having seen him do it,
But that was that was actually the key to the

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entire match.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
One of the biggest things. I think if you want
to look at an example of how dangerous ben Eddie is,
look at his running PGF and how much people avoided
getting into precarious situation to let him set up his
rubber guard. Because man, like I don't care how good
you are defending things. If you let ben Eddie get

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to that position, it's survival mode from then on out.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
As one of those guys that absolutely I mean, you
could call it running from the rubber guard or whatever.
It's just like a landmine that you know is there,
but like it's like you almost can't draw your attention
away from it because you know that it's there, and
it makes it a very dangerous game.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
And Ben is.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
One of the like you said, one of the one
of the most dangerous guard players.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Because of that.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
You just can't make You just can't slip, you can't
make that mistake, you can't step in the wrong spot.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Ben's Ben is an art and you know what's.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Cool about his rubber Guard and Richie is like this too.
I think all the good level of guard players are
like this. It's like they skip all the parts of
the rubber Guard that quote unquote don't work. And so
like mission Control, Zombie all the like basic path stuff,
skip all that. If you take an underhook they throw,

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they're deep, they're halfway through the process, like as soon
as you begin your passing process. And Ben, in my opinion,
Ben is the best of all time at the rubber Guard,
and I think he's got the track record to prove
it over and over. He's a dud. I'm a huge
fan of bit Heddie.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Absolutely. It's interesting you say that.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
You know people people that don't truly study the rubber
Guard the first two or three steps that they want
to start working through defensively, like you said, he just
hops straight over those and he's got you in the deeper,
deeper portions of the play and it's a man. Yeah,
don't nobody want them rubber guard smoke from Ben Eddie.
Don't want I was starting rubber guard against that dude.

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That's a huge mistake.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
But but how are you even going to prepare for it? Like,
has anyone else even hit a Hindu la teine in competition?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, there's this kid named Noah McCauley. There's been several
people that hit it, but not at like a high level,
right right, Ben's the only one doing it to other
black belts on shows, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
But like my point is is, like, if you're in
the room getting ready for a Ben Eddie match, how
are you even going to you know, drill defending the
hindulatine when there's likely no one in your gym that
can even do it half as good?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Or to avoid it, you just you try to try
to avoid that. Like you said, there's nobody that can
replicate that. It's like a Michael venom Page guy, Like
who you got in your gym going to emulate that guy? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:50):
It was the same problem Hoiler ran into with his
with his rematch against Eddie. Like, Okay, if I want
to actually learn how to defend the lot down and
the rubber guard and all that, I gotta go get
some tenth Planet guys. But who are the tenth Planet
guys that are gonna help me prepare against Eddie? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Like?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
No way, nobody? Yeah, all right, let's talk about the
top of the card. Nick Rodriguez defeated kind of Duarte
via decision. Your thoughts on the match, b mack.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, both of the both the comain and the main
were both heavyweight matches, and they were both matches that
we're gonna have huge implications on the sports heavyweight division,
like across all the promotions, right, you know, like the
Kyan versus Nicki ride. This was the CJI champion and
Nicki rid the million dollar man versus Kynan, who just

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he's reigning EIGHTYCC champion. So these guys are clashing, they're
hitting heads and the first half of the match, like
Conan comes out and takes Nicki down right away, starts
putting top pressure on him, and Nicki had to kind
of survive that as a fifteen minute match. Nicki had
to kind of survive that and it wasn't looking that
good for him, but he gets back to his feet

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and as soon as he gets back to his feet, bam.
He just drives head in, picks up a single, drops
Kinan and during the takedown he's already in three quartermount
freeze his foot and he spends probably the last seven
minutes of the match mounted on Conan. And you saw.
I don't know if you guys saw it or not,
but Gordon immediately immediately goes to Instagram and starts trolling

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super hard, and he comes out with a YouTube video
like the next day. He's like, here's mount escapes for
blue belts and EIGHTYCC champions. It was it was like
god level trolling by Gordon, but it true though, like
Kinan looked like he had never prepared for the possibility

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that he could be stuck in the bottom of the mount,
not just against Nicki, but against anybody. He's like, I'll
never be mounted, so why do I need mount escapes?
That's what his defense looked like.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, Gordon all the right buttons to push at the
right times.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Listen, he's the best in the world at jiu jitsu.
He might be one of the best of all time
at making people cranky in the comments too, like he's
really really good at it.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Man yet and much respect to the to the art he.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Gets the game.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I still feel like the most important thing in combat sports,
even more important than you know, consistently winning at the
highest level, is getting people to feel a certain way
about you. Doesn't matter if they feel wonderful about you,
It doesn't matter if they hate you. But if you
can evoke emotion from them, you're winning and you're gonna
be better for it.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, you're better to be hated than to then hatred
is better than apathy when it comes to combat sports.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I mean, heels make pro wrestling entertaining.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
They make everything entertaining. Dude, we all need a heal.
You need a heal in your life.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, everybody said good night to the bad guy.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
There you go. Luke Griffin got a win over Victor
Hugo via decision. It's interesting Hugo, you know, coming off
a win over Nicki Rod, Nicky Rod bounces back and
gets a win, Hugo suffers a loss. Any takeaways from that, Bemack.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, Well so just like the main event, the Comayne
was a lot of the same thing. Victor gets Luke
to the ground, takes his back, and it looked like
he just gassed himself out trying to get the finish,
trying to control Luke from the back. And then as
soon as Luke escapes, they get back to the feet
and dude, he hit a beautiful duck under to put

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Victor down. And then Victor was just treading water, panicking,
trying to stay above water the rest of the match,
and Luke eventually moves to his back and he wasn't
able to close him out, but he dominated him for
the last I would say two thirds of the match,
last half for sure. Uh, both of those matches just

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huge implications on the rankings, Like everything shaken up in
the heavyweight division. Any anybody can Like if you take
Gordon out of the mix, Uh, then anybody can beat
anybody in the top five right now. And so it
makes it makes the division really exciting because it's none
of those guys are scrubs and they've all beaten each
other in some way.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Do you think that's good? I mean it sounds like
you do. Think there are times where I feel like
if there's not a consistent front runner and a standout,
sometimes people lose interest because they know fighter A is
always going to beat fighter B fight.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm the opposite, man. I feel like when you do
have a consistent champion, that becomes boring. Like when Anderson
Silva was the man in the middleweight division. Oh, it
was so exciting watching him become the man, but then
it starts to be, right, Okay, here's another Anderson Silva fight.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
I mean, look at his fight with the I believe
it was Talle Slaches.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Like one of the most boring fights of all time.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Right, he didn't get him out of there, you know,
quickly and like that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
He didn't get him out of there at all.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I mean correct. But what I'm what I'm saying is,
you know, it almost becomes if you're this long standing champion,
you're always theoretically fighting the best fighter that's available to
you when you're defending your title, when you're not dispatching
them in highlight reel fashion, then all of a sudden,
your title reign, it just kind of comes boring. Even

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George Saint Pierre was subject to that, you know, long
dominant champion, but it's like, okay, he's he's fighting to
win rather than fighting to make a highlight reel. And
I love dominance. I love superiority. I think that should
be celebrated in his paramount. But you are right when
it's you know, two minutes into a twenty five minute affair,
and it's like, uh, this is what this is going

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to be.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Is championship fighting versus prize fighting? Dude, Like, yeah, championship
fighting and prize fighting look totally different. It's the story
of Alabama football. They're so good that I don't care
to even hear the results, you know what I mean,
Like they win seventy two national championships in a row.
The Auburn game doesn't seem that fun, you know, roll.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Tidy, I was waiting for it, That's literally what I
was waiting.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I was waiting for Matt. But I'll figure out how
to step in.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
See, I was daydreaming about what it's like to just
be at the top of a dynasty like that.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
You can just come over and ask me sometime, dude, are.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
You talking about He's on the biggest podcast in the
world right now.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
This isn't just call your boy, I'll tell you all
about it.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Feels like a win that's the most arrogant thing you've
ever said, b Mac.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
But it's not the most arrogant thing I've ever thought, though.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
That's because you know, there are some things better left
on set that makes you smart. Man. Helena Crabard ifeed
Elizabeth Klavy are naked choke. Andrew Tacket got the win over, dude.
I can't even say that name.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
And don't because tack it. Bro. This kid is the
most exciting kid in the sport right now. It's not
even close. He's literally fixing his hair. He looks at
the camera and fixes his hair and falls back on
a heel hook. I mean it was so rad, dude.
He's so good. He's so much fun to watch. It's

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fun to watch him walk out, it's fun to watch
him fight, and it's fun to hear his post fight speech.
I could not possibly be a bigger Andrew Taket fan.
I love that. And he's such a baby fait. You
know we talked about the importance of the heel. He's
the exact opposite. He's total baby face. You just want
to squeeze him and tell him how much you love
him and how proud you are of him. He's the

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best man.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
For some reason, I can picture you pitching his cheek
saying I like you so much.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I have literally done that to him.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Of course, of course the promoter, you gotta love that
like just like all gas, no breaks. Like I said,
the kids just well put together, he speaks well. He's
definitely any promotion they got to be looking for the
for the tack it bros.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Well, I'm such a big fan and PGF really sort
of made this point clear to me. When you play
to the camera, whether it's as you're stepping on the mat,
as you're competing, it just resonates so much with people.
We saw that a lot at the last combat Jiu Jitsu,
EBI event, b MAC. These guys mid match, they'll give

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a wink, they'll give a nod.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I love it. Hey, shout out to Alex Winling jumping
in the comments. I think Alex is the goat at
what she does. So Alex, love you very much. Holler
at me later. I gotta talk to you about something.
Holler at me when this is over. Love you, Alex.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
I appreciate it all. Tuning in for the rounds, all right,
anything else you want to talk about WNL before we
get to stock up stock down. No, let's just run
it all right, let's get into it. Stock up stock down.
We take a look at a figure in the combat
sports phase and we decide whether or not they're on
the upswing or the downswing, and by how much. Let's

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start with Nick Rodriguez victorious. So we're kind of dwarte
NICKI rod Obviously, last time we talked about him in
stock Up stock down was coming off that lost to
Victor Hugo. Stock was dipping. Big win here though, b mac.
Does it totally erase the losses in the stock market
for him that he suffered when he lost to Victor

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Hugo at the FPI.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, nothing totally erases a loss. He'll never forget that
for the rest of your life. That loss will haunt him,
but it doesn't halt me stock up. I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
If there was a number of value to that stock,
say his stock was at fifteen dollars a share, it
drops down to thirteen dollars a share. Are we back
to that fifteen dollars mark? Yeah, we're like fourteen eighty okay, fair?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, I think it's definitely uh, it's definitely good that
our boy Victor Hugo dropped one at the same time,
I think that was good for his stock.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Also, Yeah, that's a good point. It wasn't just that
nick came out and got a win. He got a
good win against somebody like really valuable and at the
same time the guy who had just beaten Nicky Rod
lost and so like just that mix up right there. Yeah,

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stock up on Nicky Rod, stock back up.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
So does that mean that Luke Griffith is next or
who do you think that they're gonna put out.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Nicky Rod in there with? Yeah, I think that's that
matchup up, I believe.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I think that's probably the matchup to make. Man, I
think that's probably the one. It's just great storyline too,
like the Air Apparent to the King to Gordon Ryan,
Luke Griffith, New Wave versus B Team. I mean, it's
a great story and I think that the way that
the matches in the division has actually shaken out makes

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that story very logical to make that next match. So yeah,
I think that's the play.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, says jiu Jitsu is not real keeling.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
We know that they're gonna let Nicki Rod win that
match for the storyline.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
You know, I would have been with you. But I
think Nicki Rod ruined the storyline a long time ago
just by losing to Victor, Like he was supposed to
beat Victor, and then Nicki Rod was the man who
can't be beat and then Gordon was gonna have to
come back and shut this dude up, and it was
gonna be like the big thing. But now Gordon's never
coming back because they're all the same. They're all like

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you said, any of the top five could beat each other.
That doesn't excite Gordon. Now he's like, Okay, I'm never
coming back. They're all terrible compared to me. And it's
like it's hard to argue. But if Nicki Rod had
kept killing everybody, then it would have been like, hey,
put your money where your mouth is and we get
to see Gordon again. But I feel like that storyline's
kind of gone. So now we're talking about like the
Heir to the Throne with Luke and all this, and

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it's like, I'm sad.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Hey, so slightly off topic. And I know we weren't
really even planning on talking about this, But what about
that post from Craig Jones the other day?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Oh, I wanted to get to this.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Come on, go ahead, teach, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah. So, Craig Jones puts out a post that the
UFC's Grappling reality show will feature coaches Craig Jones and
Gordon Ryan. I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere, but I mean,
let's be honest. Is there another choice that makes more

(20:45):
sense than that?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
No, it's perfect, It's perfect.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah. I would be locked in, tuned in. First off,
if Craig Jones was on a reality show with the
UFC and their production, just watching him interact with his
team would be as exciting, if not more exciting, than
any of the matches that could take place on the show.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's good TV. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
If it wasn't real before he made that post, it's
real now.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
He made it real by just throwing it out there
and getting all that attention. Good call keeling destiny.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
That's manifesting in the highest way possible because I went
I went absolutely bonkers when when I saw it, and
then I was like, wait, is this real? I don't know,
But then again, I didn't think that Craig was actually
going to grapple Gabby Garcia. I thought that was all
a troll job and we actually saw it, so I
tend to think that this is this is, this is

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incredibly likely.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I think it's real. I actually don't know, but I
think it's real. Normally, no, I normally know.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
We want it to be real, and that's what's important.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh man, hey, listen, I'm you know, I'll be getting
some inside scoops from time to Tom TJ. Some of
the names that are kind of love my little birdies
are telling me that are gonna be actually the athletes
on the Ultimately, I don't know if they're calling it
the Ultimate Grappler. God, please let them call it the
Ultimate Grappler for just so that we can say tug.

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But please, God, let that be real. But some of
the names that are coming through, dude, I cannot wait.
I'm very very excited about that. Love. I love the idea.
I mean, it's the classic UFC playbook. You know, we've
already seen them make this play a couple of different times. Now,

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they did it with the UFC, then they made the
same exact play with Power Slap, and now they're making
the same play. They got a formula. They believe it's
gonna work for jiu jitsu, and I think it's gonna
put a lot of eyeballs on our sport. Whether or
not you like the idea that UFC is the big
corporate monster coming in to take over Jiju. Whether you

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like that idea or not, everybody's gonna benefit.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
From it, absolutely, So do you congratulate and simultaneously apologize
for the champion of the show winning and then being
called a tug champion?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I apologize for nothing.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Well, I mean, okay, fair.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
It's not a good technique.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
All right, Let's talk a little bit about the men
that came up short in the main and Comaine stock Up,
stock Down. Conan Dwarte again loses to Nikki Rod via
decision stock down be mac.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Oh yeah, well kinda. Here's the thing with Kyan. If
it's a big time tournament, the best version of Conan
shows up consistently. If it's a DCC, you're gonna get
pretty much an unbeatable Kayan. If it's a super fight,

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it's like he doesn't care at all, and the worst
possible version of kind of shows up. So yeah, stock down,
But also I'm not surprised that's what he does. He
shows up for tournaments and he mails it in Obviously
he's just mailing it in training count. If you want
my opinion, he's just mailing it in in training count.

(24:25):
He's not prepared for these matches, these one off matches.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Do you think it's the sort of uh need in
physical exertion that a tournament in multiple matches that is
necessary that makes him better, you know, on those nights,
rather than these super fights.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Like, I don't know what, man, I don't know what
it is because those tournaments paid jack squat compared to
these super fights. Like I know that he got dimed up.
He got paid for that super fight and just didn't
bother getting ready. I say he didn't bother getting ready.
Maybe he did, but there's no way that he was

(25:08):
ready the way he was for ADCC and it was.
It's super obvious and he does it every time, so
I don't get it. I would put way more if
it was me sitting at the top, which by the way,
it ain't. But if I was in that situation, I
would be putting way more of my hard work and

(25:30):
investment into these super fights where I'm actually getting cheddered up.
It doesn't make sense to me, like, oh, I'm gonna
go and dominate ADCC and they're gonna give me ten
thousand dollars versus you know whatever, the multiples of ten
thous let's just say that, multiples of ten thousand dollars

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for one match against Nicky Rod. Dude, I don't get it.
I do not get it. He's He's a mystery to me.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
They don't pay him that much to fight Nikki Rod
if he didn't win ADCCC though, it's like winning tournament
is why?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay? But but they are paying him, right, So do
you not want to do more of these? Like you
your your your stocks dropping? Dog, your stocks drop and perform,
show up and prepare your job. You're a professional athlete,
show up and prepare, dog. I don't. I just don't
understand it, and I'm maybe I'm just being a bit
of a hater. I'm not even trying to be a hater.

(26:27):
I'm just trying to figure out what's going on with
him because he's so good.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
But let me ask this. I mean, we're talking about
like fictional numbers here, stock up, stock down. But you know,
kind of moving forward, Let's say he negotiates a super fight.
Is that price did? Does that drop because of this
lost to Nicky Rod.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, dude, it has to a little bit. It has
to go down just a little bit. I still think
that he stands on the pillar of his career being
an ADCC champ, but all the same and uh, the
loss of gotta take it down just a smidge. I
would like to see some of these storylines unfold over
longer time. Obviously we're looking at this match now, but

(27:10):
as jiu jitsu becomes more of a sport, and you know,
I think that maybe some of the storyline later on
in a year, maybe my man does start putting it together,
you know, putting hard camps together for these matches, you know,
and maybe some of his I don't know, maybe some
of his teammates are grappling at some of these these
big events also as well, and has like that kind
of camaraderie aspect to the camp. Sometimes when you're when

(27:30):
you're the solo person going to compete, it can kind
of feel a little lonesome, and some some people kind
of fall to that a little bit in the training
camp a little bit, and then when they've got a
homie that's fighting on the same card or whatever, grappling
at the same same event, it just brings out a
different team energy and maybe he kind of thrives off
that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
That's an interesting point actually, all right, final stock op,
stock down, Victor Hugo falls to the South African and
Luke Griffith. Hugo's stock had never been higher coming off
the Nicky Rod FPI main event. When how much does
this loss hurt him?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Be back, it hurts man. But again, because there's so
much I'll just call it parody at the top of
the division, because there's so much parody and everybody could,
all these guys could beat the other guys on any
given night, any given Sunday. Right, it does drop though,

(28:26):
it does. And I hate saying that because I'm a
giant Victor Hugo fan, both as a grappler and as
a human being. I love Victor Hugo, but yeah, snock down.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
It kills his star power a little bit, you know,
like it just some of these guys, they start rallying,
these these big wins back and forth, and it just
exponentially kind of explodes for them, their attention, the respect
that they get, the following, and all that kind of stuff.
And it's not that once again. It doesn't mean that
he's a trash grappler. It just means that his his
stock was gonna boom. And obviously this is going to

(29:01):
put a little lull in the action for him. He'll
have to rally another couple of big wins coming off
the nick. He would have been in the driver's seat,
you know, if he would have taken this last match.
He already kind of was when he beat Nikki Rod
Fumble on the play by the very lovable Victor Hugo.

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Speaker 2 (29:52):
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Speaker 4 (30:07):
Could just see Scaff right now, just tripping about.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
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Speaker 5 (30:14):
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they're chips. You should think about it like a chip, right,
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
So he literally breaks up like a potato chip.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
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Speaker 3 (30:33):
I have a box waiting at home for me, so
I'm excited to try it for the first time.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I would say maybe they don't ship them to Alabama,
but my friends to the north seem to have acquired
the stash.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
We're stacked up. You gotta come see me, Dad, you
gotta come.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
I'll come wrestling and get some jerky.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well, you know what, dude, I think I broke my
rib last night, so I ain't gonna be very good
for wrestling right now.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Speaking of right now, because it's true. Are you saying
that because you don't want to wrestle with Matt Elkins?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Oh? No, I want to wrestle with Matt Elkins. Listen,
you know I might be old, but Matt knows he
can get the smoke whenever he needs it. However, yeah,
I think I broke my whenever except for now. No,
he can. He can still, he can still get the
smoke even with the broken rib. Don't get it twisted. See.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, Brandon knows that I'll go over there in the
corner and if need be, we'll put both of our
arms inside of our crash guards and just just as
long as we can do some isolated form of jiu jitsu.
You know what I'm saying, not even you know, not
real jiu jitsu, obviously, the broken rid that sucks.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
The thing is, I don't have to win, but I
will fight you.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
Word on the street is Matt Elkins and his brother
Jake Elkins just dropped some wrestling seminars online.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Oh yeah, we're gonna turn those loose in the BJJ
three sixty five got a big launch coming up this weekend.
For that's my website right BJJ three to sixty five
dot club, So you can see all of my seminars,
all my classic goes back ten years. I've had this
website for ten years, which is crazy. But this weekend
we officially add Coral Belt legend Carlos Machado to the site.

(32:20):
And so he just dropped like four hundred videos and
we just added him to the site. I'm following, yeah,
of Coral Belt level instruction. It's so good just just
adding them to the site. I was like picking up
gold Man. He's he's so awesome. But I'm flying into
Dallas this weekend to attend his big affiliate, Carlos Machado

(32:43):
Affiliate Association, his big weekend that he has for all
his affiliates. Gonna be like four hundred people there and
we're gonna officially launch the new and improved BJJ three
sixty five with b MAC and Carlos. So I'm super
excited about it.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Exciting unto a flock.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I tried to raise the proverbial roof, and I think.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
You're make a rib right there.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
All right, you guys ready to move on to buy yourself?
All right? Time for buy or sell. We give you
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Speaker 2 (33:36):
Look, Chris, I like.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
It all right. First up for buy or Sell this week,
the UFC is back in action with Ian Gary in
the main event. There's been a lot of mixed reviews
about Ian Gary and how he comes off publicly. Uh.
He's very open on social media with his life, sometimes

(33:58):
to a fault, I think, because the reaction isn't always
necessarily what one might expect or even want. But he
had that shot gott rockmannof Fight, which he did very
well in the only loss of his career. But you know,
either fans love Ian Gary or they love to hate

(34:20):
Ian Gary. So I asked you this and buy or sell,
Brandon mccatherine. Ian Gary will be one of the UFC's
biggest stars in the future. You buy that or sell it?

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, I buy it. I think the thing with Ian
is that he's a heel that wishes he is a babyface.
He wants to be loved, but just here he comes off.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
He reminds me of Tim Sylvia in that way. Tim
Sylvia needed being booed, absolutely hated it, but for whatever reason,
fans just didn't like him, and unfortunately, he kind of
addressed that. Ian Gary has addressed the fans dislike of him,
and I always I wonder if that's a good thing
or a bad thing, because like chaill sonnon people quote

(35:06):
unquote maybe didn't like him if they were Anderson Silver fans,
but really they loved him because he was the only
reason that trash talk or pre fight hype meant anything
when he was fighting Anderson Silva. My question, though, I
guess too, is if he and Gary is a heel,
can he ever capture that chail sonn in type of

(35:27):
heel magic, because I don't think he has that personality.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
No, no, no, he wants to be a babyface, right.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
He has to lean into the idea of being a heel.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
But he can't. That's just not who he is.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
He has to accept the game and he has to
accept his role in the game for him to truly
achieve that star power. And I think that his resistance
to kind of what we're talking about kind of spoils
the energy for some people. And I think that for sure,
you know that, But the fact that we're talking about him,
the fact that people in both directions on the spectrum

(36:01):
love him and hate him. I think that he can
reach more people that way, and in an unfortunate way.
If he learns how to how to rally that though
and get control of it and shoot it back, then
I think he'll do something for himself. But yeah, he
is not the most likable person when he opens his mouth.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
That's all right for me, from like an outsider's perspective
looking in, I don't have anything to dislike in Gary four,
other than when he kind of first came into the scene.
He was literally saying the same things that Connor McGregor
had said. You know, we're not here to take part,
We're here to take over. It doesn't land the way

(36:40):
it did when you know Connor said it. Uh, that
was a little bit of a turn off. It gimmick
infringement a little bit.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
But yeah, but he's got the accent.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
He's dude, I'm probably part Irish, you know what I mean? Like,
it doesn't mean that you're the same sort of on
the same shelf of Like how you can you know,
deliver those lines.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
I'll say I was a huge Ian Gary fan from
the get go. Striking like brash personality, he was saying, like,
you said the same things as Connor, but it was
okay to me because he had the accent and he
was like doing good striking work, right, So I was like, okay,
this guy's good, had a couple of good matches. Here's

(37:26):
where he lost me. It's when the community found out
about his woman, right, and they started like doing that
whole thing. The way he handled it made him feel human,
and I was trying to ride the the myth version
of Ian. I didn't want him to be humanized. I
wanted him to like Connor whenever he came onto the scene. Dude,

(37:47):
he wasn't a human, he was it was something bigger, right, right,
And Ian lost every bit of that when that whole
debacle happened. And now you see, like Brandon was saying that, oh,
like now we know that he was playing this game
and how he wanted to play it and didn't go
out how he was wanting, and yeah, it just kind.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Of ruined a lot of the momentum.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
Now I think he can get all of that back
and nothing will matter, and he could play the right character.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
If he just keeps sleeping fools.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
The last couple of fights, I feel like he thought
not to lose because like he was getting better competition,
and he really didn't want to lose, especially to give
all the communities something else to talk trash about him, right,
So he didn't want to lose more than he wanted
to like knock this dude out right, And so he
was fighting a little bit like again not to lose

(38:41):
a little safe. Yeah, I think if he would just
sell out and go sleep some fools and two or
three fights in a row, he'll have that mystique back.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I still can't believe that he got a look at
the back of shot Cott rock Bana. Like the fact
that he was able to get there answered every sort
of question that I had on whether or not he
really had the chops to be at this level and
have the UFC's push behind him. Granted that he did
not win that fight, but that's one of those times

(39:09):
where I feel like his stock almost went up because
of it. Because no one wanted to fight shof Gott.
No one's had success against Shofcott. And again, while he
and Gary didn't win, man, there are photos out there
with him on his back getting close to a rear naked.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I did get excited that he stepped up to the
plate on that one up. I definitely thought that he
was gonna shy away from some of the tougher matchups.
But to see him hop in there with shot goutt
obviously nobody really wanted the heaters at that.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Point in time. And I mean, the dude's an.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Incredible fighter, and so I thought that that kind of
showed a little bit more chest hair than the boys
actually got, if you will.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeh. So he's got Carlos Protess coming up on Saturday
with the UFC, so we'll see if he rises to
the occasion and gets back.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
To that file. I think he wins that five.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, I think they served him one up for that.
We'll see if he knocks it out of the park.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
All right, let's get to the next buy or sell topic.
This one's a little bit different. You can't sell, you
can only buy, and I'm to think with your wallet
rather than your heart. If you were to invest into
one of these up and coming combat sports, where do
you think the best return on investment would be in

(40:31):
your three options are power slap, bare knuckle, or jiu jitsu.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
With the return on investment, does it have to be
like immediate ROI are we thinking a year, two.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Five, ten within the short term, I would say three
years max. If you're putting money in and you want
to get a profit back within the next three.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Years, where are you putting your money? And I'm gonna
only buy one of those three?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
You can only buy.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
One and give me my three choices again, power slap,
jiu jitsu and bare knuckle.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Yep, all right, I can.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I'm ruling out bare knuckle right away.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
That's a mistake.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
No, No, I don't think that it has the same
kind of upside. I'm trying to get the most money,
but I'm not saying it don't have upside. I don't
think it has the same kind of upside.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I think that the the the thing that the bare
knuckle doesn't have that jiu jitsu has is sustainability. I
feel like the bare knuckle fist fighting is able to
reach a broader, more general audience because when humans see
people get their fist balled up and crack somebody in
the face, they pretty much know what that means and

(41:40):
whether that's for them or not, they'll decide.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
But jiu jitsu could be.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
A little can be a little harder for people to
sink their teeth into and.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
You longer play here. I think if we're if we're
looking at money on a ten year investment, I'm going
jiu jitsu all day.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
In the next you know, like the uh, the bare
knuckle and uh to maybe see like Connor McGregor get
into a bare knuckle fight, which I'm not saying that.
I think that's what would happen, but that would be
like a pretty big deal if something like that happened,
So the short term value of it, obviously he would
probably lose or something like that, not take it serious enough,
and then it's over. So yeah, for that reason, I

(42:19):
would say jiu jitsu might be the longer play, but
to not consider bare knuckle at all, brother, no, hold on,
let me make my case.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Indeed.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Okay, the man who knows has the floor.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Thank you, TJ. Let me present my argument. Okay, So
you're saying that bare knuckle has a broad appeal, which
I agree with, but it also has a very large
portion of the population that is totally disinterested in it.
For the barbarism factor. Yeah, oh, can we agree with that?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
It feels more like human cockfighting than yes. The actually,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Don't sign me. Don't sign me up for that. I'm
in right, I'm just saying, let's be honest. Correct, but
let's be honest about what it is. It's barbaric. Your
boy loves it. We all are into it. I'm sure
at least on some level. However, there's gonna be plenty
of people that are not into it. For that exact reason,

(43:25):
Power slap gives me the same level of Internet virality
without the same level of barbarism.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
See, I think that it's even worse. I think that
the power slap thing is awful. I think it's so bad.
I think that it's there's no art to that.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I'm not arguing for the art side of it. We're
I'm trying to make my money back. That was the question, right, right,
So we're not we're not evaluating which one of these
things are are the most marshal or the truest art.
That wasn't the question. The question is I need to
get my money back in three years, and if I
need to get my money back in the next three years,

(44:07):
I'm going power slap. If you need me to get
my money back in ten years, jiu jitsu has the
biggest upside because it's the smallest and it's growing the fastest.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, I would agree that jiu jitsu has the ability
to entertain people and the athletes can perform more often.
That's the thing that I think that it doesn't that
power Slap and bare knuckle or even just MMA in
general boxing, you can't fight often enough, so these guys
have to have these crazy huge purses. But I mean,
you can run it. If you're a real athlete. You
can run jiu jitsu matches once a month, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
You might even run You might even could run them
once a week. We'll find out.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Oh yes, indeed, excuse.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Me, mm picking up on something. Uh, you know I
would say this about power slap and about the return
on investment. You're going to make that money back quick
on their Instagram reels and and things along. The visibility
is through the roof. Now that said, Uh, why I
would argue against bare knuckle. I don't know if a

(45:05):
major network ever puts that on television. I just don't
think that the aesthetic like b MAAC. Do you think
that ESPN would put a bare knuckle show on their
flagship network?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, maybe, I mean show here's the here's the real problem. Dude.
When you're investing in a company, what are you're investing
in a couple of things? Right, You're investing in the idea,
But really, what does a real investor look for? He
looks at the founder, he looks at the people running
the company. I don't. I don't think that I can

(45:41):
invest in bare knuckle for that reason.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
But Connor McGregor is the face of the whole promotion.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Great point, he's crazy, he's publicly drunk. Dude.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah that might actually be a red flag.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
But I wasn't even talking about him. But your boys
is drunk and encourage it. Well, I'm not invested in
Golden Boy either.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I do think that the simple nature of what drives
all the other sports is the sports that do these things.
They were the evolutions of it, and I don't think
that you'll ever lose the bare knuckle fans. People have
been dying to make it a real sport for a
long time. I do think that it's brutal. I've cornered
a couple of guys in bare knuckle events. The reason

(46:26):
that I think that it has the stickiness factor is
because when you're sitting right there in that little circle
right on the outside of it. Thank god, it's just
it's the craziest feeling.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Man.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
It really does feel like a raw like just about
as close as we can get. It's just like old
Jack Dempsey type boxing type. You know, it's just not
the same.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Thank god they.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Played with You know, football's played with helmets for a reason.
It seems crazy that they'd start a league with with
no pads. I guess that's rugby. But man, I definitely
think that the bare knuckle stuff, even if it's not
my absolute favorite. Like the guys, I try to push
them away from doing that with their lives, but for
obvious reasons, but some of them love it, and man,

(47:12):
I think that they'll got there's some true violence fans
that are drawn to that.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
I don't know. Obviously, the UFC or nobody will ever
pick it up. I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
But dude, if you're asking me as a fan, power
slaps my is the least interesting, Oh, by far, it's
I and jiu jitsu is the most interesting. Yes, But
if you're asking me to spend investor dollars branding, you
got to put two hundred and fifty thousand dollars down
on something and get your your try to three act

(47:43):
your money in the next three to five years. Power
Slap seems like an easy play. It's got the most
revenue coming through it just just off of social media content.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah. Really, that's such a huge.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
That's just real talk. That's just real talk. I'm not
saying I like that.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
How are the Power Slap events? I've never watched one.
How do you tune into them? Are they pay per views?

Speaker 2 (48:04):
I think they're on Rumble.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Now YouTube now. They just signed a seventy five million
dollar deal with YouTube.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Thank you. Yeah, what did Bare Knuckle just sign?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Oh yeah, all right. So to recapt b mac putting
money in Power.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Slap reluctantly, but I'm trying to get paid.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I would if I'm actually investing my money, I would
say jiu jitsu long term play for your you.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Know again, I think in the short term you're not
going to get the ROI that you want on jiu jitsu,
But I think long term that's the right decision.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Like I would, Well, hold on a second. The question
was three to five. If you're if you're talking long term,
if you're talking about I got fifteen years to build,
then I'm putting it in jiu jitsu.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Of course, absolutely I agree, but yes, you're right, three
to five years.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Uh I hear. I wanna hear from from conscious key
over here. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
I don't hate Bare Knuckle on the short term just
because you know that the events, like they're gonna keep
selling tickets because there's always drunk people that want to
watch violence. All the alcohol and food sales are always
gonna be good. Like I feel like they're gonna keep
running events. The ceiling for these three options, it's like
what's the most money they could possibly end up making

(49:29):
in their lifetime? Those are all three very different. I
wouldn't put BKFC very high on the list like jiu jitsu.
I think long term is to play, like you've all mentioned.
But I think you know, you know that they're gonna
do an event because Connor's gonna make them able to
keep doing it, and.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
They're gonna sell it out and people are gonna watch and.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
They're gonna keep selling stuff they you know what I'm saying,
So like they're gonna make their money. Power slap fills
to me, like it's doing great, right, now, like you said,
but tomorrow it could stop existing forever.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, you know, that's that's one thing I'm curious about
power slab Like, can you even really build a star
in power slab like, because I think you're selling highlight reels.
I think you're selling YouTube shorts, and you can.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Do that without power Slap Like it started in Russia
where they were slapping the watermelons and then they started
slapping each other and they had their own thing. You
don't need the UFC or power Slap organization to make
those same reels on Instagram, right, No.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, no, absolutely all right, m last buy or sell topic.
Gordon Ryan will still be the king of jiu jitsu
by the year's end.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, I mean it's very clear.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Look at the top five right now, there's not even
a king amongst them, much less someone who got dethrowned
the actual king. This is like the featherweight division right now,
like Volkanovski's the champ, right except for the actual champ
slept him a couple months ago.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Like we all know, man, a couple months ago, like
a year ago is a couple months to.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
You, you get it.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Yeah, A couple of couples couples. Yeah, yeah, I bet
it feels like yesterday for Volk.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I think it would feel like yesterday if he was
scheduled to take him on in a rematch, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
But that's my point with Gordon. It's like, is he
still the king by the year's end? Like, yeah, there,
these guys can't even determine who's the king amongst them
without Gordon in the picture.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
And he might just ride off into the sunset with
an akey tummy and a you know, I say, a
stack of cash.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
You know, more than anybody else has.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
He's got a stack of cash. Gordon's doing very well
for himself, I think.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Compared to like a football player or like the greatest
of another score, obviously it's but just say that he
hasn't had a successful career in jiu jitsu would be crazy.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
I do think that he's he's obviously the.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Best as well, and you know, I would love to
see him graple again.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
But you know, aside from a Craig Jones tug off match.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
At the end of the season, then I just I
had to brother, I've I've been biting my lip about
that for thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
And I am so proud of you because when we
were doing uh hump Day Live back in the day,
you were completely ungovernable.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
We'll still be talking about it.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
You have really uh transcended the hump Day Live version
of Matt Elkins. You're no longer TV. You're the mouth
of the South, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Thank you, sir. I'm still waiting on those Street Beefs
episodes to pop in.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I'm just well, hold.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Your horses all right, time time to get into.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
No hold who whoa tj.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Oh you haven't shared your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Sorry, no, no, no, I want your thoughts. Which one
are you buying?

Speaker 3 (52:47):
I'll buy that he's still the king, but I will
say that with a caveat. If we don't see Gordon compete,
or for some reason this Ultimate five or Ultimate Grappler
Show doesn't involve him. I think the sport, at least
from like who is the front runner, who's carrying the flag,
that will change. This is a sport of recency bias,

(53:11):
and if you haven't competed in a meaningful match in
twelve to eighteen months, then people just simply start to forget.
Gordon's an exception because he's the Michael Jordan of the sport.
But the longer we go, the more likely someone else

(53:31):
is going to sit on that throne.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I think he's the Kobe of the sport. I think
Hawjer Graci's are Michael Jordan. That's fair, and which means
that there's an art like there's a lot of arguments
about whether it's Kobe or whether it's Jordan. And then
some people who don't understand things about basketball, they'll say
it's Lebron James. Different discussion for a different day, But

(54:00):
we don't have time for that. Well, yeah we do.
He's not Lebron is not? Uh Anyway, Yeah, I think that. Uh.
I think Gordon at the end of the year is
still the best jiu jitsu player and I just don't
see anybody even getting close to him by the end

(54:21):
of the year, Like not even close.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yeah, he's obviously doing a good job running his Instagram
account and staying relevant from the throne.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I'm just talking about straight like, who's the best at
the sport? What were you about to say, keithn hold
On Luke Luke is gonna beat all these guys and
then he's gonna be on top, and then he's gonna
tell everybody like, oh, yeah, I'm nothing compared to Gordon. So, like,
you know, Gordon's still going to be the dude. Yeah,
that's true, that's what's well. I don't know if Luke

(54:51):
is going to do that or not. I think that's
a possibility. I think he's got that kind of potential
that might not happen this year, but that could happen
for by the end of the next year. And you're right,
he's gonna serve it up. He's gonna serve it right
back to Gordon. But Gordon still beats me in the gym.
I'm not He's still the best.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
We depends on how the robes ride it. Brother.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
We might be looking at it in a couple of
different ways though, too, because if we're talking like who's
the best active fighter, like Gordon's gotta be number one
on that list pound for pound, But at what point
does he just get taken off due to inactivity? That's fair,
you know, And does that mean he's not the face

(55:32):
of the sport anymore? No, I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
But but if you're the face of the sport, you're
the king. You don't have to be competing to be
the king. Trust me, I'm gonna be the king.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
I should.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I won't be competing at all.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I would like to.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Bring up the point though, that if he were not
grappling A one Craig Jones and the Ultimate Grappler, then
I would probably not want to watch him just destroy
whoever the next guy is, which poses the question between
c J I and his involvement in this Ultimate Grappler?

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Does that mean that Craig is the face of the sport?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
You know? Well, okaya, face of the sport? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Yeah, not the best. Obviously it's not the best.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Oh, I think Craig is the number two. If we're
looking at faces of the sport.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
You know, you know, I don't know. Like now, now,
if we take if we take who's better at the
sport out of the discussion, right, I think maybe Craig
can pull bigger numbers just because he's a master. He's
a master of social media. He's he's the best. I mean,

(56:41):
it's not even close. He is the best at social media.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
So that's fair.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
If we got to take the actual game play away,
maybe it's Craig.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Which means a couple more Tommy aches and then all
of a sudden. Now we're talking about who's the next
superstar of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
But the thing is is that Craig's at the end
of his run too. Craig's only doing Bob Sapp style
fights moving forward, you know what I'm saying, Like he's
only doing circus shows moving forward, like we're I don't
I think, well, man, you know what, actually based on
some information I got this morning, Oh, I can't say anything.

(57:25):
All right, we could, we could see some real matches
from Craig. Let me just say that.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
All right, good to know. Let's start to wrap things
up here, move towards the exit, to put a bow
on this thing. It's time for hot takes. Let's talk
about hot takes. I know we have a couple of
hot takes here. I'm gonna start with matt Elkins. What's
what's burning on your mind?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I think that maybe we even kind of talked about
it right there. I would I would say that the
hot takes gotta be the without Craig Jones in the mix,
that Gordon Ryan doesn't have anybody to dance with, and
that the Ultimate Grappler is a flop without Craig Jones
in it. Why do we want to watch Gordon Ryan

(58:14):
dispatch in a boring fashion the next dude that he's
obviously way better than, and there's no story to tell between.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
I mean, who's the next person in the conversation that
you want to create this drama around. Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I mean I'm trying to think, if Craig were in
the coaching role against someone else, or if Gordon were
in the coaching role against someone else, if there's a
name that you could even make sizzle and get people intrigued,
Like they're both big names, but you are very correct,

(58:52):
and I think onto something when you talk about just
one by themselves, it's a take.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
But say the third name that makes sizzle.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
I mean the only other option was Nicky Rob before
he lost to Hugo.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
We've already seen that a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, exactly, I mean, and let's be real, Nicky he's
not he's not the man on the microphone. Now.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
He's too cool call him and collected and yeah, not
his brash like Craig's wall.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
It's not, he's not his braw He just he doesn't
have much to say.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Way too suave.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, he's just he's short, he's gon tried with like
like or maybe not gonna try. He's short, he's brief
with his answers. He's not gonna give you a lot.
You know what did what did?

Speaker 5 (59:39):
What are the chances that Craig's post is just total
bs and and the ultimate chrappler has nothing to do
with Gordon, Ryan and Craig and it's gonna be Mikey
Mussamechi and some other see that.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Was what the That's what's been like circulating with the
rumors been and so I think it's a strong chance
Craig's just stern it up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
But here's the thing fine line between. I mean, it
could start as him stirring the pot and then could
end with the finished product. Because the pot stirring incensed
so many people that giving them another answer would feel
like a letdown.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
That's what I was saying earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I agree, ultimately, the ultimate grappler needs to be the
coaches between. If it's not Craig and Gordon, is Mikey
muss Mechi versus h Bryce Mitchell.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
That's the TV that I want.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
God the death touch from Alabama right there on your rib.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
I release you that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
He got me with the dem mot just I release you.
I release you, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Anything else on this hot take?

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Dude, tell me more about that match up. Matt El
could just give it to me for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I mean, brother, obviously we want to see Bryce Mitchell
go in there and try to rough Mikey Moosey and
Mecki up until he gets leg locked in a couple
of minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
But like, could you imagine the weeks leading up to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That, Oh my god, that would be the best ship
ever listening to Bryce Mitchell talk flat Earth to Mikey
moose Ameki.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
You know what I'm saying. Now, listen, listen here, Bryce.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
You know, like, come on, brother, somebody at the USC
needs to give me a job. Brother, somebody is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I was about to say, You're hired, Dude, You're hired.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Do you imagine just the press conference, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Yeah, Bryce is trying to explain how the earth is
shaped like Mikey's pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
He's dropping Mikey's pizza box.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
This is so painful, and I want you guys to
keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I mean, obviously, the grapple match is not much to
speak about, but the week's leading up to it, let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Well, let's be honest. The grappling match, it's how many
of them are ever worth talking about. It's all about
the drama, dude. It's all about the storytelling. And man,
what a crazy, what a crazy bit of storytelling that
would be. Oh my god, sign me up for that.
I can't. I am so here for that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
All right, A little be known that we need a royalty.
If that decision has ever made, you're already here first
in the rounds. All right, final hot take, It's mine.
I've been sitting on this for a few weeks, and
I don't want it to sound like I'm a detractor,
because I am not. I firmly believe in the sport
of jiu jitsu. I think it is the hottest up

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and coming combat sport in the world and has a
real potential to not just be the darling of combat sports,
but to be one of the combat sports that transcends
that niche genre and gets people interested. And there are
a lot of great things that are pointing to the inevitable,

(01:02:57):
you know, blowing up of jiu jitsu.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
But you know, my dad used to say, yeah, everything
that comes before the word but is bull crap. Go
ahead and say what you gotta say, TJ, just say it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I will say as an MMA fan who has been
here for a very long time watching shows from Yama
Pit Fighting to from the Past, Moosen to U the
ifl any number of acronyms that you want to throw
out there, I will say that we have a number

(01:03:31):
of players in the sport of jiu jitsu that are
promoting in a manner that sometimes seems alarming. Craig Jones
gives away a couple million dollars, Craig makes things happen.
I can I can believe that that is something that
he can feasibly pull off. UFC. Obviously it's a billion

(01:03:52):
dollar company. They're able to do things at a level
that others aren't. However, there are some other promotions out
there that are throwing big paydays tens of thousands, about
hundreds of thousands of dollars, and it feels eerily reminiscent
of shows like the GFL that we just saw, where

(01:04:14):
it's like, oh, fighters are going to get a stipend
and profit sharing and revenue. And nine out of ten
times when someone says something that is groundbreaking and sounds
too good to be true, sometimes they do a show
or two and then they go away. Now, I'm not

(01:04:34):
saying that any promoter of jiu jitsu could destroy the
entire sport by putting out these big paydays and then
inevitably failing, But I do feel like it you get slow,
it's a cent to where its eventual destination is if
they can't stick with that money. So my hot take is,

(01:04:58):
while I firmly believe that jiu jitsu is going to
get where it wants to go, it's a lot closer
to imploding rather than exploding.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I feel like you got to lay your argument out
better you were. You were too ambiguous there, so you
got you got a hot take. But it sounds like
you're just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
So let me just throw this out here. Sapoto did
a one hundred thousand dollars tournament, right, m hmm. I don't
know anything about the company. I don't know anything about
you know, their investors. That's a lot of money. That's
a ton of money when you don't necessarily have an
established television deal. What's the goal and purpose of putting

(01:05:42):
out that much money. I don't know if I want
to say that, maybe it's it's close to imploding. And
falling apart. But I do feel like there are people
out there that are promoting the sport that are so
ambitious that we could start to see things like the
GFL where it sounds great, sounds like they're going to

(01:06:06):
really do big things and inevitably maybe hold the sport
back a little bit by under delivering because they're over
promising so much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I'll take this one that I don't believe that it's
a new idea in business to take an existing idea
and throw an absurd amount of money at it and
then just obviously that's going to equal success. I think
that some of these promotions that are throwing out these

(01:06:38):
huge amounts of money, it's not it's like watching people
do jiu jitsu. Sometimes there's something that you have to
feel to be able to find success with it. And
I think that some of the from the outside looking
in when you go to an MMA fight, like my
dad is guilty, Like man, we ought to we could
throw on them, We get a cage when them foights together,

(01:07:01):
shit seal some liquor and like let's controy it, let's
go den Troy And it's not wrong, and that idea
or to have that ambition. But there's some things that
happen in the folds that people don't see. And so
I think that you you definitely have more and more
people as the sport grows that are going to try
to throw more money at it, but it's gonna take.

(01:07:21):
It's like the UFC man, like they did more than
just throw them throw money at these things. They're making
proper business decisions, good cultural decisions and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
That some of these other promotions that I've seen, they
I think they need to work on their culture a
little bit aside from just how much money they can throw.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
With the guy that won so healings, leaning in hold On,
you know, he's got a strong opinion owns one of
these companies.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Let me just get this straight. I just want to
make sure I got your hot take straight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I like the way you're opening to you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:51):
And so your hot take is you think money in
the sport is going to ruin it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I think that money in the sport can be lost quickly,
which inevitably stalls its growth.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
You sound like the guy who sees the cup half empty.
You sound like the kind of guy who thinks he
might die every day.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
That guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
But let me say this, Uh, let's just I'm gonna
try to run off five or six of these promotions
and and MMA that said that they were going to
come out here and do big things and be big
impact players, and they did so by throwing around money.
Affliction if lad gfl dead, yeam.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
A pit fighting dead, which one of those that you're
listing listing has a good core ownership group.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Affliction had a phenomenal core ownership group.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
So what what killed it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
In your opinion, it was Affliction. The T shirts ruined
it the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
I disagree with that. I disagree with Dale.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
The boys died out when George Saint Pierre showed up
as a white dude with that Japanese headband on doing flips,
and it was all over for Affliction right then and there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
They had, They had, they had.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
But now check this out. Check this out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Now the fighters got fades, brother, And that's what I'm saying.
It went from being a bar biker sport with an
Affliction T shirt on to now it's the it's an
actual sport.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
It went from fades, dude. Let me tell you where
Affliction messed up. Megadeath. Oh yeah, they spent they spent
their money on things that weren't fighting and fighters. Yeah,
that it was their business decision making that messed it
up for them. And I think that I sort of

(01:09:50):
see what you're saying, TJ. I think I disagree with
where and I think you're not even saying that it
is going that way. I think you're saying it could right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
I'm not saying that it's going to fail, but I
am going to say that if there are more people
that get involved and can't deliver promises and go away
because they have too high of ambitions, that it's not
necessarily good for the overall growth and evolution. Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I think that's the part that I disagree with. I
think you're right, there's gonna be plenty of players that
come onto the scene, make bad business decisions, and their
business folds. But what I also think is that at
the end of the day, you're going to have probably
two or not even at the end of the day.
But like the next level, Like right now, what do
we have in jiu jitsu? We have a thousand promotions

(01:10:41):
right right, A thousand of them, and a couple of
them are like moving up the ladder and becoming the
next tier. I think the next thing that we're going
to see is there's going to be three or four
that are the major leagues, and then everybody else is
going to be out of business or minor leagues, right,
and then I think the next thing you're gonna see

(01:11:01):
is that we're gonna have one or two, possibly two
major leagues, and then you're gonna have mid tier, and
then you're gonna have minor leagues. But I think, and
I think we could almost be like in that Layer two.
I think we are in that Layer two space right now,

(01:11:23):
but kind of moving towards Layer three already. I think
what you're ultimately gonna see. Obviously I have a very
biased and strong opinion about this, but I think ultimately
what you're gonna see is that the UFC is gonna
have their UFC BJJ brand and that's gonna win and
then or not win, but it's gonna be a winner, right.

(01:11:46):
That one's gonna be successful and stay alive.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
It'll be top shelf.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Yes, I think you're gonna see and that will be
the super fight event. That'll be the super fight event.
So one winner in the super fight category and it's
gonna be the UFC. I think you're gonna have one
winner in the world champ who's the best in the
world the Championship Fighting category, and that's gonna be a

(01:12:14):
d c C. And then I think you're gonna have
one winner in the league category, and that's gonna be
the PGF.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
You know that's interesting you bring up we're talking about
the sport of jiu jitsu, but like, this is the
only combat sport that I can think of that has
that is a genre that has genres in itsself, you
know what I mean? Can we even talk about combat
jiu jitsu? Like does combat jiu jitsu have a place?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I think combat jiu jitsu is sort of like the
bare knuckle power slap version of grappling. Like oh that
that if something's gonna go just got proven on my
own Instagram in the last two or three weeks. Yeah,
one clip went to like it's got like over seven
million views on my Instagram. It's just a combat jiu

(01:13:05):
jitsu clip of a of Dominic Lobo hitting that Go
Go Plotter and cracking dude paulm striking him in the nose.
I think combat jiu jitsu will always win that nobody's
gonna be able to beat them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I understand what TJ's saying about, like the game could
kind of fragment underneath some of the big promotions like that.
I understand what you're saying, Like it seems like it
would be it would behoove the jiu jitsu community to
try to align and standardize some of the things. But everyone,
like you're saying, there's a thousand different promotions that are
trying to all get their piece of it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, well, I think the I think the middle is
gonna get eaten, right, So, like if you're a middle
tier promotion, ultimately you're gonna get eaten, or you're gonna
go out of business, or you're gonna have to relegate
yourself back down to the to the regional scene. But
I don't think any of that hurts. I don't think.
So that's the part of the thing that I disagree with,
like the you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Know, and maybe I was looking at it wrong because
I don't feel like all the field promotions in MMA
actually hurt the growth of MMA. But I guess, you
know what, there's a sentimentality to the sport of jiu
jitsu for me, Like I literally want to see all
opportunities for grapplers be a viable long term thing just.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Because it's not real. That's not real in any industry.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
And that's fair. So I guess maybe the question is,
like I'm talking abou one hundred thousand dollars prizes, like
we can we agree that those one hundred thousand dollars
prizes are not going to be able to be offered
at the middle tier of jiu jitsu for pro one
periods of time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I don't know if we can agree to that or not.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
I guess time will tell.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah, I think we're not super far away from consistent
million dollar prizes in two I don't think that that's
super far away. I feel like that was kind of
a hot take.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I think I need to be upping my commentary prices.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
That's the case, I think. I think I I'm the
man who knows. I think there's things I'm privy to
that you guys aren't privy to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Sometimes, so we should have invested in jiu jitsu and
power slab ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Again, that discussion was what are you doing to turn
your money around in three years? So well, obviously I
have a strong opinion about what I think is the
right long term play. I'm making it. I'm pouring my
entire life into building the PGF.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
And you're looking good while you're doing it, handsome.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
You know what, dude, I'm feeling pretty good too. And
as in the next couple of weeks and months, as
more information comes out about what we are doing, I
think that a lot of other people are going to
be feeling real good too. And that's the whole point
of this game for me, is I'm trying to create something.

(01:16:04):
I say, I'm Keelan and I Zoh Heather. We're trying
to create something that makes opportunity for these guys. I
never had the chance to be a pro jiu jitsu guy.
And you know what, dude, even if the opportunity would
have been there, I'm probably not the kind of athlete
that could have done it in the first place. But
I dreamed about it, but that was never even an option.

(01:16:28):
As a dream for these guys. I intend to make
that a real dream, a dream that you could achieve
with the right work ethic and the right skill set
and the right guidance. And I will I will do it.
So before we move on from these hot takes.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
I got one, let's go, so before I make my
hot take.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Well, I hate when they come with a preamble.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
I'm gonna throw up a video right here, and I
would appreciate it if matt Elkins could just call maentate
it for a couple of seconds. But this is Sewn
Strickland with his with his latest YouTuber.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Oh lord, ladies and gentlemen, Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Here we have a non athletic regular person being semi
mauled by one of the craziest people on the earth.
I do feel like he's he's still letting him off
a little easy, like obviously he's walking him down and
cracking him, but I don't feel like he's really giving
him the beans. Like but I mean, look at this
guy the Spinderella, a little Cinderella turn to defend the

(01:17:33):
head kick. Oh your homie ran into Is that Eric
Nixon in the corner with the with the trip Oh,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I kind of a problem with that, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
I don't like that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
Yeah, I was not to ask for some thought.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
See, here's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
The issue is is that a guy like Sean Strickland
is here to remind the public that they are crazy people,
but be that if.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
You talk shit, you might get hit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Dog. You know what I'm saying, Like, if you got
some crazy, if you want to it like in jiu jitsu.
The version of this at at tenth Plane at Birmingham
that we have is I tell people, if you want
to go fishing for.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
Sharks, you better have a big ass boat. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
If you want to come and grab me as a
black belt and figure out what it feels like to
ride the ride, well, like one mauled coach used to
say it all the time, if you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Bought the ticket, you get to ride the whole right.
You ain't no getting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Off this roller coaster, homie, you know what I'm saying.
And if you're a YouTuber, stay on YouTube. If you're not,
then come and get it dog.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
What's up? You know? And that's that's real. That's like
real violence.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
What keeps it being separate from karate and all the
other things is I mean, no, dude, I'm not breaking
these boards.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
I will actually kick your ass. What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Not to get like political here, but like.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
I'm a but now you're gonna get political?

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
No, No, I'm a firm believer. In freedom of speech,
I believe that you can say whatever you want. The
cave to that is, I think it should be well
known that someone might kick your ass for the words
that you say. There are consequences. Yes, you have freedom
to say whatever you want, but beware of the sort

(01:19:14):
of results that you might.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Reader Sean Strickland, I can tell you why Sean Strickland
does that to people, because he feels like, if you're
going to try to use me as clickbait to try
to get yourself attention, you're trying to use me like
a circus animal, then I'm going to show you what
a line feels like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
You know what I'm saying. And so that's what that
YouTuber got.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
He thinks that he's being funny or cute, but it's
honestly disrespectful to the decades of training that people have
put into combat sports to think that you could even
stand in there with those people. And that's how Sean
Strickland takes it, and I would take it the same way.

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
I beat the shit out of that dude.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
It's the aesthetic of him literally running away, though, which
would cause a referee in a mixed martial arts fight
to stop the fight because you're not intelligently defending yourself
and then that continuing on for forty five more seconds.
That doesn't sit right with me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
See, I think that more and more people should get
to ride that ride.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
And maybe it only lasts two or three minutes, but
I think that America needs what happened to that dude.
Our society will slip into the void if people aren't
held accountable by the words and if then check it out.
You know, that's much healthier than grabbing a gun or
anything like that or any that kind of crazy stuff.
But yeah, being uncomfortable with physical violence is not it.

(01:20:32):
And that that guy thought that it was funny to like,
you know, if he was a if let's take Sean
Strickland for what he is.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
He's a wolf. He's an absolute wolf with rabies.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Even maybe, and like you're gonna go and poke that
thing with a stick, you're an idiot.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
You deserve to get eaten a brother.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I mean, I guess just part of me, though, goes
if I own that gym, which I believe that was
extreme couture. I'm not confident that the waiver that that
guy probably signed is going to make me absolve from
over responsibility of something real bad happens.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
We just have to settle that in court.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Brother, no waiver absolves anything like the waivers as a
gem owner. Let me just tell you, the waiver is
a prayer that you that you just won't go through
with it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
So here's my hot take after seeing that, after knowing
what Sean Strickland has done to multiple YouTubers. Now, hey,
he does this partially because he hates like YouTubers and
content creators and like that whole niche of humans.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
Despite being one himself at this.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Point, Yeah, you've made my part of my point is
like that he is a YouTuber now, and that leads
me to this hot take. I think that Sean Strickland's
not even the toughest YouTuber on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:21:46):
Like, if we had a YouTuber tournament of like UFC
one style YouTubers, he wouldn't even win. He wouldn't even
win the Belt of YouTubers.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Next point, are you talking about branding or are you
talking about being able to beat someone up?

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
I'm talking about winning a fight, beating someone.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Ups that are not combat sport athletes that you think
can beat Sean Strickland.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
Now you just put a caveat in there that are
not combat sports athletes. I'm just including all YouTubers since
Sean Strickland is a combat athlete that is also a YouTuber,
even a guy like I'm not even gonna go into
mm A. Let's just talk about Jake Paul for a second.
If Jake Paul went in there and sparred Sewan Strickland,
it would look way different, Like Sean Strickland wouldn't beating.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Up a YouTuber in an MMA fight.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
In a sparring session, just like they just had what
they got on. If mm A sparring you okay with you, Trey?

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I love this dude, Trey, You're right and just going
and tell him what exactly what it is. It's an
ignorant take. That is the dumbest thing that I've ever
heard somebody say on a podcast, and I have been
listening to the Joe Rogan podcast for years.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
If if I have to prove my point, I could
just make one name who is also a YouTuber who
has also beat Sean Strickland up, and that's Alex Perreira. Like,
there's a lot of YouTubers on YouTube that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Would jack that guy up on YouTuber.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
He's a YouTuber.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
We can also put Sean Strickland in the category of
YouTuber brother that is a professional psychopath that now he's
a YouTuber channel.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
He has exactly a change. Just because you have a
YouTube channel don't make you a YouTuber.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
When you consistently post on YouTube, you're a YouTuber, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
But he would never been able to create that brand
without beating the hell out of people in the cage first,
which I feel like to be a YouTube fighter, you
needed to start with a YouTube thing, and then you
needed to get into fighting.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
If you got into fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
And let me ask you all this, I feel like,
let's just go back to the hot take. Ye Do
y'all think that Sean Strickland's striking is his best weapon
out of all the mixed martial arts or would you
say he's a grappler.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I think that it was his experience being beat us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
I'm just asking the answer to that question is his
striking is more dangerous when grappling is involved. But if
it's just your striking, I mean, he's still pretty damn good.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Pretty good is fine, I hear you. I'm just asking
what is his best How does he win his mixed
martial arts fights. Is he is he grappling and submitting
people or is he striking.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
And he just never stops walking forward and like flails
their punches out of the way, And then damn.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
You yeah, Now would we so he's a striker? Now
would we say he's a really good strike one of
the best strikers in his division.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I mean he has a type of game that is
so unorthodox that it throws people off. It's not the
prettiest or the like the most even it's effective.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
Though it works, it works super well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Saying that Sean Strickland drastically needs to overhaul his striking output.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
I just, well, here's what I think if I could
real quick, I'm embarrassed to be your friend.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Is the question that he loses to him in a
boxing kick boxing? I'm all different different? Is he boxing boxing.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
Martial arts?

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Sparring with boxing loves on? Like, what do you call that?
I don't podcast canceled.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
It's a m M A sparring.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Then obviously Sean Strickland, if he was going to take
it against somebody serious like Jake Paul or the Paul brothers,
I think that he would like take him.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
Down and Jake Paul's wrestling is better and striking Jesus Clint.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
But here's the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Here's that was a hot ass take for sure, but
logan martial arts is not wrestling at all.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
They're hearing nuance to the boxing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Like in boxing, as amateurs, you're not allowed to clinch
at all, So as soon as it's an mm A fight,
it's clinching and boxing, and that alone is a problem
for boxers.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
I've I've seen hundreds of boxers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Come into mm A sparring situations and if the coach
tells them that they can't clinch and they have to
play by amateur boxing rules, then the boxers just beat
the hell out of the MMA guys. It's never been closed,
not once. But if you allow them to clinch and
wrestle and stuff like that, obviously you're not gonna knee
and elbow them or kick them or take them down
and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
That's a different.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Nuance of the sport that even a lot of amateur
boxers have never studied.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
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the number done podcasts in the world. This is really
I can't believe what I've just heard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
I listen Klan understands the assignment. The assignment is hot take,
and that one was red hot. That was a red
hot take, one of the hottest takes I've ever heard.
You know, congrats Keeling.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Yeah, well, one day I hope that Sean Strickland takes
that that with that YouTuber.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
I'm just saying here, here's the part that confuses me
is I know it's hot takes, and I know you're
supposed to say something that gets everybody right. But here's
what's confusing me about this particular hot take. I almost
think you believe what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
And Jake Paul is six' one two twenty five, Sewn
Strickland's six' one two. Fifteen they're about the same. Size
jake's in way better. Shape his distance management is really.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Good who's ever Accused Sean STRICKLAND i having bad.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Cardia i'm not saying he's got bad. Cardio i'm just
saying That jake can, Like, look he's a real. Fighter,
no he's gonna stay a. God you put him with
the boxing gloves on in that little sparring, session and
it looks like a real. Fight it doesn't look Like
shawn's beating up a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
YouTuber CAN i go?

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
PLEASE i can't stomach.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
This this is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
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