VAULT: Beatdown After The Bell 'UFC 129 St-Pierre vs Shields'

TJ De Santis digs in the vault for the original broadcast of "Beatdown After The Bell" for UFC 129 St-Pierre vs Shields.

Episode Transcript

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Hey, everybody, it's between roundsradio. I'm TJ de Sanis and man,

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I'm just happy to hear my voice, and you're not gonna hear me
say I'm happy to hear the soundof my voice too often. But it'll
make sense in a moment. We'redigging into the vault, going back into
time roughly about ten years ago,a little over ten years ago. That
was when UFC one twenty nine tookplace in the Rogers Center, which is

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a high dome. I don't evenknow what it's called today here in twenty
twenty one, but I do knowthat George Saint Pierre fought Jake Shields in
the main event in Toronto in whatwas at the time the biggest show the
UFC had ever done. And Iget requests all the time to go back
into the vault and pull something outlike a beaten after the bell. So

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that's what we're gonna do today.But listening to myself and John Luther,
who was a special co host thatnight because Jordan Breen was actually in Toronto,
I cannot believe I ever sounded likethis. I mean I don't sound
much different per se, maybe octavelower, maybe a little more jaded in
life. But yeah, I don'tknow, maybe maybe you think it sounds

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the same. One thing I willsay for sure that is not up for
debate. The quality of this audiois not so good. For whatever reason,
we mixed everything down to fifty sixK for the bit rate. I
think it may have had something todo with the way that Internet radio was
streamed at the time. You know, having a one twenty eight K connection

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was not really gonna be good forall of the users of the site at
the time. So sorry, It'shard to believe that anyone though in twenty
eleven was using dial up Internet.But I mean, I guess there are
people that still use dial up internettoday if you live out there in the
boonies. I don't even know ifthat's the truth anymore. Your cell phone,

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if you have any sort of threeG service, has got to be
better than that, right, Iwould think so. A lot of things
on this broadcast. I believe thatUFC one twenty nine was the first show
where we ever actually got to seeall of the fights, whether it was
through Facebook or Spike TV, andthen obviously the pay per view. John
Luther and I talk a lot aboutthat kind of get on the case of

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Mike Goldberg a little bit for apparentlygoing to the bathroom multiple times. This
is the early days of Twitter,really, so yeah, we're basically talking
about Joe Rogan outing Michaeldberg for havinga small bladder, and then of course
you know all the other things.The humanahmanah huh coming I'm her. Yeah,

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that hasn't changed. Still, weget that. In twenty twenty one,
we'll kind of all right, I'mI'm done, sit back, relax,
and jump in the DeLorean with me. As we go back to April
twenty ninth, twenty eleven. Forbeat Down after the Bell of UFC one
twenty nine. It is Saint Pierreversus Shields, originally broadcast on the shirt

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Radio Network after the bill. DJDeSantis and Jordan Breen. I'm sure Dog
Radio midday everybody, it's beat Downafter the Bell on the Shirtdog Radio Network
for UFC one twenty nine, ShieldsVersus Saint Pierre. My name is TJ.
De Santis, my normal cohort,Jordan Breen, the mastermind on location

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in Toronto, Ontario. Maybe we'lltrack him down a little bit later on.
I am joined by freelance mm Awriter and journalist Jonathan Luther. John,
you were featured in the Press Rowa couple of weeks back and welcome
back to the SRN. How areyou this evening. I'm very good man.
I feel like I've made it now, got all these followers from the
from the SRN Press Row. I'mstarting to get spam now. It's great.

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It's it's almost like you know whatyou're talking about when it comes to
the MMA thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that once you
start getting you know, consistent pressand you're a Twitter feed, I think
you've made it in the world ofMMA. I love it. It's true.
I just use my Twitter for youknow, what I'm eating on a
Saturday nights or what video game fitsmy fancy. But yeah, Twitter,
if you want to follow, it'sJohn Luther MMA. I'm TJ de Santis.

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By the way, check us outon Twitter. You canst emails for
we're getting on the show this evening. The email would be TJ de Santis
at shirtdog dot com. You canalso hit us up via telephone eight seven
seven nine six seven nine two fourfour. We're going to table the calls
and emails and tweets for a momentand just sort of express how huge of

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a night this was for the OldpanFighting Championship. Over fifty five thousand people
in the Roger Center tonight in thet DOT as the locals call it,
Toronto hosted UFC one twenty nine,and I brought this up earlier in the
week, and I don't think reallymany people took it to heart because the
hype was so big coming into theshow. John I said, what happens

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if this main event is somewhat ofa letdown? Everyone is going to be
so excited. It's the biggest UFCcard in the history of the promotion.
What if it's a plotting five rounddecision for George Saint Pierre or even Jake
Shields, is he going to takethe wind out of everyone's sales. I
don't think it was a boring decisionby any means, But you look at
the car. I mean, wehad some fantastic finishes tonight. I think

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this is a car that's going tobe remembered ultimately as one of the UFC's
better cards. But the bottom lineis the main event really didn't pack the
punch that I think the rest ofthe car did did it spoil it for
you at all? It's interesting thatyou say pack the punch, because how
on earth did Jake Shields pack thatpunch? If you looked at in the
end, it looked like he messedup George a lot more than Georgia messed

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up him. I was more confusedby the fight, to be honest,
I was a little bit bored,if I'm being completely honest about it.
The other eight fights were superlative.It was one of the best cards up
until that point, and I justfelt like at the end, I don't
know why. I guess I knowwhy I watched it, just it really
did take the wind out of thewhole entire thing. Sales That said,

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though, I would like to bringup the fact that seeing George Saint Pierre
bloodied and knowing he could not seeout of his left eye in the fifth
round made him seem human, andI know that he's been human in the
past. He lost to Matt Sarahat UC sixty nine, but George Saint
Pierre has been so dominant. Michaeldbergsaid over and over again coming into this
fight tonight. He had won allof his thirty last rounds. I have
him winning thirty four total. Igave the fifth round to Jake Shields.

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But the bottom line is seeing GeorgeSaint Pierre weekend like that, it was
interesting. I picked George Saint Pierreto win. I thought it was gonna
win. He did win the fight, but still seeing him bloodied in you
know, hard of vision towards theend of the fight, it was a
little bit interesting. The thing that'sreally interesting about all of this is,
and you see Joe Rogan pushing thisimmediately in the post fight interview, what's

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going to happen with Anderson Silva?Are you moving to one hundred and eighty
five pounds one? Is this thinggoing to happen? And it seems like
every time that you know Anderson orGeorge, whenever they look human in a
fight, everybody says, oh,George must be looking as chops after that
Chelson and fight, because Anderson lefthuman. I think we're gonna see a
very similar thing in the opposite directionhere where people are gonna say, you
know, Anderson is going to bewilling to move down to any weight because

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he must be so sure that hecan beat George Saint Pierre. Now Yeah,
you know, I don't have amedical opinion yet on the Saint pier
or eye injury, but it soundspretty serious. He continued to fight to
Greg Jackson through his great insight inthe corner, saying, well, you
can see me, so you cansee punches coming to keep going. Sort
of a can do is if yourgroin's hurt, don't worry about it.

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Hit him with your groin. Yeah. I am interested to see what comes
out of the situation with George SaintPierre's left eye. I mean, I
don't want to be a negative Nancy, but I mean if it's something like
it attached Rheton to John, Imean, this could be something very serious.
Yeah, And to be honest,I know that George Saint Pierre,
I know he's a safety first guy. And it was interesting to see the

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dynamic in his corner where George youcould tell he was he was frightened.
He said, you know, Ican't see, I can't see. Most
guys when they go to the cornerand they've got something like that going on
and they want to continue, theykeep it hush hush because they don't want
to hear they want they don't wantto have some medical official overhearing it,
because that's the grounds for a fightto be basically ended, like we saw
against a Spirit Wolf versus Zeromskis andStrike Force. But it was just interesting

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to say, to see Greg Jacksonsay no, no, no, you're
fine, You're fine, and toknow that George Saint Pierre he is more
about his safety than anything else inthe game. And I think we saw
that against Matt Sarah. I mean, if you want to quit a fight,
there are two things you can say, one obviously being tap, or
two I can't see. And Ithink that's why Greg Jackson was quick to

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shush him about it, because ifsomeone from the Commission heard it, and
I'm not saying that they didn't,but if someone heard it and wanted to
do something about it, I mean, that is the number one thing a
fighter can say to get out ofa fight without saying I quit. And
I think that's what Greg Jackson wastrying to do in the corner of George
Saint Pierre, trying to, youknow, keep the lid on it.
Obviously I don't. I don't thinkJake Shields was able to understand that that

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GSP cannot see out of his lefteye. UM. I want to talk
about this a little bit. Isaw some tweets coming in. I got
some emails about this. John.People are asking me, why is George
Saint Pierre the pound for pound bestfighter in the world. Uh, you
know, you can say that there'sas a lackluster performance his his um fights
and in recent you know, recentoutings. I mean, yeah, they're

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they're long, they're tedious. Attimes, they go the distance. He
wasn't able to finish a guy likeDan Hardy when he was very close with
uh submissions. Um, you know, he didn't finish uh Josh cost Check
when cost Checks I was was badlyinjured. UM. I don't want to
say that George Saint Pierre doesn't havethe killer instinct, but I don't think

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that should take away from his placementas pound for pound best fighter in the
world. I mean, if you'rea pound for pound king, John,
I mean, it's because you candispatch anybody, and whether it's by decision,
knockout, submission, it doesn't matter. Every time George Saint Pierre fights
somebody at a hund seventy pounds,he's going to be the favorite. And
I just think that dominance should becelebrated and mixed martial arts, and there's

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very few guys more dominant than GeorgeSaint Pierre. And that's the question,
isn't it. It has to dowith dominance versus who finishes, and what
I'm always hearing from people, youknow, if they signed with Anderson,
the argument is, listen, GeorgeSaint Pierre, he can be as dominant
as he wants. And we sawwhat happened to night. It wasn't a
pretty fight by any means, buthe was still dominant. I gave him

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all five rounds. But so sothat's their argument that George Saint Pierre.
Guys, they'd simply say, well, look at what happened between Anderson Silva
and shell Soon and something like thatwould never ever happen to George Saint Pierre.
I agree with that. It's goingto be interesting. There aren't many
options at one hundred and seventy poundsfor George Saint Pierre to stay there.
Joe Rogan brought up, you know, possibly moving up and fighting Anderson Silva

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at one hundred and eighty five pounds. I mean, the only fight really
left at one seventy In my opinionJohn is Nick Diaz, and Nick Diaz
is currently the Strikeforce chap and therewould be some wrangling about, you know,
how how do you get Diaz insidethe UFC contracts situations, all that,
YadA YadA ya. But you know, Daz doesn't seem very interested in
the fight. At least before cominginto Denied he said, you know,

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I think Jay Shields is going tobeat him. Maybe that changes Nick's motivation
and mixed martial arts is really hardto pinpoint. He wants to do the
boxing thing. I mean, mainlyNick Diaz wants to make more money.
Is there anything at one seventy besidesdas an interest you for GSP well,
specifically having to do with tonight becausethere were a good amount of Walter Waite
matchups. I was impressed with RoryMcDonald, I really was. Of course,

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he's not ready right now, butI mean he's he might be two
years away from a title fight,don't you think exactly? And I think
that a person that they're grooming rightnow to eventually take the challenger ship.
There is either Don Young Kim orCarlos Condit. The general feel I've gotten
from casuals on those both of thosefights is that they don't want to see

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it. Everybody wants to see GeorgeSaint Pierre actually move up and wait,
it feels like and take on AndersonSilva first and foremost and try his hand
at one eighty five. It feelslike the walterweight division has gotten somewhat stale,
and I agree with you. Theygot to bring in some new blood.
Nick Diez is really the only guyfrom Strike Force that makes it competitive.
I just don't know what kind ofbarriers exist for that. I imagine

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in eight months we're going to seehim be a little bit more serious about
doing that. He's John Luther.I'm tj to saying this. This is
beat down after the bell of UFCone twenty nine, Saint Pierre versus Shields
here on the shirt dog Ready innetwork, we're talking about the walterweight champions
victory tonight and where this leaves himat one hundred and seventy pounds. Should
he move up? John, Ithink that I would like to see him
fight at eighty five, but Iwouldt like to see him fight Anderson Silvia

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right away. I'm a big,big proponent of guys earning their way to
title fights, even if they're thechampion of another division. If George Saint
Pierre moves up to eighty five,I would like to see him vacate his
title at one seventy because there's aton of great fights at one hundred and
seventy pounds that I would like tosee. The Dalton Vould George Saint Pierre
and if he wants to be amiddleweight, put on the weight fight as
a middleweight and maybe make him earn, you know, two wins before you

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give him Anderson Silva. I mean, if Saint Pierre does move up,
would you like to see an IMMEDIAtitle fight with Anderson Silva? Or should
he have to gain his weight thetitle just like any other contender at one
of five. Well, I thinkit's regardless of what you are I think
because I actually agree with you.I think that he should be required to
get through guys like like chelf Sonnenor like Ademian Maya, some top five

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guys at one eighty five. Butyou know, Dana White and Lorenzo Fertida,
they throw this out there, thefans salivate over it. It marinates
for what it's going to be abouta year by the time Anderson Silva takes
on Yushnokami. I think that theoutcry for this fight again, regardless of
what actually happened tonight and the factthat it was really not a very compelling
fight, people are gonna want tosee this matchup, and I don't think

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they're gonna have it any other way. So, uh, you know,
contender ship be damned. George SaintPierre, he's gonna move up and I
imagine he's gonna take on Anderson Silva. I mean, you look at guys
at one hundred and seventy pounds tohim, and if you move Saint Pierre
up to eighty five and make himstay there and vacate his title the wealth
Away division, it doesn't really losemuch stature. I think in the UFC,

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as far as you know, talentedweight divisions go. You have guy
like Jake Shields. Yeah he losta night, but he's still one of
the best at one seventy. Youknow, he had a tough fight with
Martin camp and Campman is still interesting. Josh costcheck, John Fitch. You
mentioned, you know, an upand comer like Rory McDonald who's not in
the title mix yet. But there'sCarlos Condit, I mean the don Gan
Kim. I mean, there's there'sa lot of guys that can really spice

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up that division. Should George SaintPierre, you know, basically vacate his
title and move on. I thinkthe Wealthaway division really doesn't suffer that much
with GSP moving up. I thinkthat there's two things here. One is
at GSP, if he moves up, it frees up the division so much
it can actually breathe. Right now, it feels like he's going on the
GSP rematch toward twenty eleven and it'sgone extend into twenty and twelve. The

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other thing, though, is uh, you know, and I think the
UFC views him as sort of aproblem is John Fitch. People look at
John Fitch as a guy who,you know, it should be a requisite
to get through him, to getthrough George Saint Pierre, because if you
can't beat John Fitch, how areyou going to beat beat George Saint Pierre.
So I feel like the UFC sortof moving guys around John Fitch in
order to funnel them towards a titleshot. But I agree with you,

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Carlos Condent, versus doing Young Kimthat's a fight that people would love to
see, and if there was anew champion installed, I just feel like
it would give the welterweight division somuch new life. And I think George
Saint Pierre he's deserving of moving upand getting a crack at one eighty five
gold. Yeah, and that's aproblem with John Fitch is John Fitch is
gonna beat ninety eight percent of theguys that you put in front of him
to you know, if you haveto go through John Fitch to fight George

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Saint Pierre, you might not everget there. And no one is interested
in seeing John Fitch fight George SaintPierre for some reason or another. I
think he deserves it, but Ihate to sort of fall into that same
sort of casual fan group that says, oh, I don't want to see
it, because I really kind ofdon't. I already saw it UFC eighty
seven. I don't think much haschanged. Yeah, John Fitch is dominant,
but he probably isn't gonna do anythingthat he can't do already, and

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essentially he's gonna lose it door SaintPierre should he find him again. One
of the most interesting things I've everseen is. You know, I'm chilling
with somebodies at the university. We'rewatching the UFC card and I forget which
fight it was. I think itwas John Fitch versus Thiago Alvis, which
I thought was going to be avery exciting fight. Some people they see
John Fitch's name pop up and theysaid, Okay, let's go get some
beer. That's that's ludicrous. He'sone of the I mean, he's,

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in my opinion, the second bestwealth away in the world. Yeah,
but you have to admit, though, that the kind of fighting style that
he engenders isn't very exciting people.You know, he gets more criticism than
I believe even George Saint Pierre forbeing not necessarily safe but just boring.
People don't like his style of fighting. Yeah, and that's a shame though,

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because John Fitch is clearly talented.I mean, that's the thing.
If you don't like it, stopit. But no one really can.
And obviously fans can't stop how JohnFitch fights. They're not fighting him.
But it makes me sad that peoplelook at a guy who is tactical and
maybe a smidge boring at times asas a bad thing. It's the same
thing we talked about when questioning GeorgeSaint Pierre's number one pound for pound status.

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Yeah, maybe he's not the mostentertaining fighter in the world at times,
but he's the most dominant absolutely so. Yeah, And it's a shame
because I think the same can besaid of John Fitch, and you know,
I think the same can be saidof Jake Shields. They are the
perennial I guess you can include JoshCostcheck in there, but he's I don't
consider him very boring. But theseguys are at the top echelon of one

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seventy. They're utterly dominant. JohnJohn Fitch is pound for pound top ten,
Jake Shields is pound for pound topten, And regardless of George Saint
Pierre knocking their socks off, itjust feels like everything's lost its magic at
this point, and I think theUFC they need, they need to revitalize
it somehow. And it's just toobad that they've teased this Anderson Silva thing
because it looks like George is goingto be pushed into it again, even

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if it's against his will. Yep, he's John Luther, im TJ.
De Santasis is beat in After thebell of UFC one twenty nine, Saint
Pierre Versus Shields a historical night inToronto, Ontariot, a night for the
Oltman Fighting Championship. Real quick beforewe move on to the other title fight.
That was something else in Rogers Centeron TV with all those people in
it, it must have been acrazy environment to be in. Oh yeah,

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no, the And that's the thingis during the Facebook prolimbs, they
really didn't give you a feel ofhow big the arena was, at least
they didn't for me. And assoon as the pay per view came on
and they did that sort of panningshot of the arena, you got the
feeling this is something special. AndI think that they made some kind of
inference to it being the super Bowlof Mixed Martial Arts. And even though

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the UFC they're prone to hyperbole,I have to say it was totally justified
in this instant. I understand that, John, but that's something they've been
saying since two thousand and five.And I remember the last time I heard
it, I'd grown so bad becauseit was a super Bowl of Mixed Martial
Arts quote unquote with a title fightbetween Justin Eilers, who was coming of
a loss in Andrea Lovski. Ohboy, yeah. And that's one of

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the things that Dana gets is asfar as criticism, one of his lines
he likes to throw out is thisis the biggest blank that we've ever done.
This is the biggest heavyweight fight,this is the biggest event. And
you know, people, they geta little bit disillusioned when he says it
over and over and over. Butfans aren't stupid, and I think that
they're all able to comprehend just exactlywhat this means for the sport of mixed

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martial arts. I think we shouldall pat ourselves on the back because we've
come a very, very long way. Definitely, fifty five thousand people plushed
inside Roger Center tonight is a placewhere I thought that the UFC would get
to but really didn't one believe.And it's interesting. So congratulations to Zoofa
tonight. They had a hell ofa title fight in the featherweight division.

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Jose Alda defends his title against MarkComedic. Comedic lost his fight. I
think he lost four rounds on afive on my scorecard, but he hung
tough and gave although everything he could. Although was the better fighter. His
cardio was somewhat brought into question thelatter rounds, but you know, he
was able to hang with Hominick inthe in the post fight push up department.

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Although it is a beast man.I mean, there's not much more
you can say other than that.I mean, this guy's a world champion
jiu jitsu player, but we'll rockyou on the feet. And he took
a sort of the center of thecage and an outstruck the striker, which
is sort of his m O whenit comes to mixed martial arts. But
I mean, your thoughts between thestriking, the striking styles of all though

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on Homedic, because everyone that wasa Mark Comedic proponent said, oh,
Homedic's gonna come in. He's gonnabring his style of striking and it's going
to post problems to although all thosenever fought a striker, a pure striker
like Mark Hominick, it didn't seemto matter. Yeah, And I think
that's true. You know, peoplesay things to beef up fights, and
that's that's one thing that Mark Hominickreally leaned on, and maybe that motivated

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him and made him feel like hehad a legitimate shot, and I do
think he did have a legitimate shot. However, I look at Mark Comedic
as more of a guy who isvery crisp boxing, but he's not as
dynamic with you know, bringing inleg kicks changing levels, Whereas Jose Aldo
might not have as good of boxing. He has leg kicks seemingly from hell.

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They totally wreck every single one ofhis opponents. I actually gave Mark
Comedic two rounds. I gave himthe second. It could have gone either
way. I think I think thetooth. The main thing to take away
from this fight is that Josealdo hemight not be the same person post surgery.
He looked tired going into this endof the second round. I think
Haminics Corner said, look at him, he's tired, and they were right.

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He blamed it on muscle mass thathe accumulated while he was on the
layoff. But I mean, surgerycan change fighters. We know that to
be true. Let's just hope thatisn't the case for Jose Aldo. No,
he did what he needed to do, but yeah, he wasn't the
same force that we've seen in hisWEC fights. You know, you can
talk about muscle too, but Ithink even the seasoned veterans on this card,

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like Randy Gutour, I think therewas still a little bit of nerves
of everyone's stomach because fifty five thousandpeople, I mean, no UFC fighter
has ever experienced that before. Veryfew mixed martial artists have. I mean,
you'd have to go to Pride veteransand in k One veterans to you
know, really get a good answerto what that is like dealing with it.

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But yeah, you know, althoughdid blame the muscle mass for his
sluggishness, he is coming off thesurgery. I mean, that's a thing
mixed martial artists and athletes of allsports have to go through, go through
things like that, whether it's youknow, a simple hand surgery or a
leg surgery. You know, there'salways the question, are you going to

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come back the same person you werebefore? I don't think you can really.
You can sort of maybe jump tothe conclusion John that although maybe isn't
the same person, but it's notsomething we're really going to know until at
least one or two more fights.Yeah, and as far as the pressure,
you made a very very good point. I think the pressure would be
a little bit more on a MarkCominic though. He really seemed to take

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this whole, uh you know,Canadian pride thing to a whole nother level,
wearing the CFL hat in the pressconference and he came out to it,
so you could tell it was areally really important night for him.
But you know, as far asthe arena, think that's one more thing
I wanted to touch on this fight. One of the reasons why it's big
and more than just a symbolic wayis you got to see Dana White on

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his video blog enumerating the differences betweenwhat's an arena show and what's a stadium
show and why this is just thatimportant, And it was great to see
how visibly giddy he was. Hewas like a kid, he was so
excited about it. So, youknow, yeah, it's important to us,
but I think we also have tokeep in mind that it's important to
the people who run ZUFA. Yeah, absolutely getting getting into his video blogs.

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When he went to go to histicket giveaway, the crowd that came
to pick up tickets, I meanit almost turned into a riot, people
stampeding one another trying to give thetickets, and Dana had the warm people
I mean it was it was crazy. We'll get into more of the hype
around this UFC one twenty nine alittle bit later on. This is beach
done after the bell on the SRN. I'm tj de santasy is John Luther
joining me tonight filling in for JordanBreen. Getting back to the Aldohominic fight.

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Surprising that Hominick was able to continueafter that hematoma on his head.
He was battered and bloody, butnever out of the fight. Um,
you know, he has the heartof a line. Were you surprised that
the doctor didn't stop the fight whenwhen John McCarthy, you know, stepped
in and had the doctor come in, and then even for the last round,
the doctor was taking another look atit. Hominick is not going to

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give up. But I thought therewas there was a variety of reasons medically
to maybe suspend the fight. Yeah, and I think I agree with you
here. Thank God for Mark Hominickthat this fight was not in New Jersey
because it would have been stopped,no, no doubt about it. There's
one thing though, you know,Mark Comick, I just feel like when
a person's face gets so battered,like Marcus Davis, versus Nate d is

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originally what I thought, and seeinghow leveled his face was, it was
a massacre. It looked like ahumanoid was laying on top of him in
the fifth round raining down punches.You know, there should be something in
place where, even if blood isn'tgetting in the eye and impairing vision,
there needs to be some kind ofmercy clause. And this is one fight
that really pushed the limits on that. Yeah, I mean, just seeing

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someone with human tema on their foreheadlike that, um, you know,
I hate to say it, butit's just I couldn't stop looking at it,
going, oh my god, ifthat thing burst, if it pops,
it's going to be brutal. Thankfullyit never did. But I honestly,
you know, I'm not a fighter. I don't have the killer instinct.
And you know, obviously I've nevercompeted for thousands of dollars, hundreds

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of thousands of dollars, if youwill, But I think I would have
a hard time as a human beingpunching another man, even if they're still
in the fight with that thing ontheir face. That I just that's that's
hard to look at and go,Okay, I'm gonna attack that. And
and jose Aldo, well he was, he was on the ground, had
him and guard. You could tellhe was a little bit perturbed by it,

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like, oh please, don't getthat all over my face. Yeah,
and I'm with you. I thinkthat Mark Cominick. The conditions for
this fight were just so such abig deal. You know, we talk
about Canada, We talked about howbig you have one twenty nine is.
Keep in mind also he had ababy on his on the way. I
think that the stakes were just raisedso high for him. It really gave
him that extra oath to just takeit to him into the fifth round.

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Another thing is that I think joseAldo, do you feel the same way
Tej where he kind of lost alittle bit of a shine. People have
been heralding him as a top threepound for pound guy. Do you think
that that narrative is going to continueafter this? Yeah? I don't know.
I mean, he was dominant inhis win to nine. I mean
I had him winning four of fiverounds. You had him winning three of
five rounds. You know, poundfor pound is so subjective. I don't

(26:48):
really try to get caught up init too much. The bottom line is
he's the best featherweight in the worldand until someone beats him, that's not
going to change. And the featherweightdivision inside the UFC's here to stay.
I'm very happy for it. Thereare good contenders there. We'll see it
flesh out a little bit, youknow. The next season, the Old
Wood Fighter, I think he's gonnabring in some more talent. It's a
fantastic time to be an MMA fanbecause the lighter weights are finally in the

(27:11):
UFC and getting showcased. So Idon't want to get too caught up in
that pound for pound high but you'reright. I mean, that's the thing.
It's so subjective. There are manyarguments that you can bring up to
say he doesn't belong in the topfive pound per pound. There's some people
I think that would straight up sayhe doesn't belong in the top ten pound
per pound. John Yeah, andthey're pretty vocal, and they were specially
vocal after this fight. I think, if you're Chad Mendez, and especially

(27:34):
if you're Kenny Florian, should heget through Diego Nunez? I you know,
I think those lines are going toclose up a lot more when when
they opened it had you know JoseAldo is something like a four or five
to one favorite. I think we'regonna see these lines come in a little
bit closer and closer until he redeemshimself, puts on a really spectacular performance
in the light of something like UriahFavorite Fighter, Mike Brown Fight Little Mma.

(27:56):
Fun fact for you. He's notthe only one, but he's first
to come into the UFC and defendhis title in his UFC debut. That's
what Jose Aldo did tonight. Thenext one will be Dominic Cruz when he
fights your eye favor. We're talkingabout the hype and the lure. I
mean, it's it's hard to watchthis UFC one twenty nine card and not

(28:17):
get goosebumps. Unfortunately, for somereason, maybe it's because it happened once
upon a time at UFC fifty seven, but seeing Randy Gutour walk away after
losing to Leota Macheetah, I justwasn't feeling it. I don't know if
I didn't believe him, or ifbecause I've already seen it before, or
if it's just the fact that RandyGutour seems to never go away. I

(28:37):
didn't have the hair on the backof Manx standing up when Randy Gatour,
missing a tooth, said I'm done. Yeah, And Joe Rogan he said,
right as he started interviewing him,you know, we've had this conversation
three times or I forget the wayhe worded it, but he basically said,
you've told us all that you're retiringhow many times now, maybe three
or four, and you keep oncoming back. I think that people are

(29:00):
a little bit hesitant to believe thatabout Randy Cotur. I do think that
this time it's official, But Ithink he sort of shot himself in the
foot by quote unquote retiring all thosetimes before. In a little bit of
a rumor that I can drop,is that actually I'm hearing that he's trying
to angle for kind of a ChuckLadell sort of position at the UFC.
I hope that he gets it,Lord knows that he deserves it. I

(29:22):
feel like, you know, I'vegot a mug in front of me.
I don't know what you have infront of you. I feel like we
should all toast to Randy Cotor justbecause he's given us such great stuff.
In Mma, I'm holding a dimemountain dew and I will clink to that,
mister Luke. I'll clink to ittoo, man. I got water
right here, thank you. RandyCotur, Yes, looking at Randy Gatur
though he should be a guy thatis employed by the Oldman Fighting Championship even

(29:47):
after he retires. And apparently Ididn't know this. When Joe Rogan says
take a shot, ladies and gentlemen, that means Mike Oldberg is taking a
piss and basically Rogan has to tocarry the show until Goldberg gets back.
If that's the case, then it'ssigned for a three man booth. Because
Randy Guttur is fantastic in the booth. Let's just get him there for all

(30:11):
the fights. Yeah, And that'sone of the things that he gave up.
I think when he walked away afterthe uh if it was Tim said
no, it must have been GabrielGonzaga. Is that part of the stipulation
of him walking away is that notonly was he giving up being a fighter
in the UFC, but he wasgiving away duties in the booth. And
you're right. I think he wentall the way up to UFC sixty or

(30:32):
something, it's sixty something, andhe was spectacular in the booth. He's
a great color commentator. He hassome fantastic insights into wrestling. I think
Joe Rogan he's very good with kickboxingand Brazilian jiu jitsu. But but Randy,
he knows his stuff in the wrestlingdepartment. There's no doubt about it.
Absolutely. Let's uh, let's talkabout the actual fire. I think
we've been dodging it a little bit, but we have what I thought was

(30:52):
going to happen. Did Leoto Machidawas able to keep range be uh you
know, b Leoto Machida. Essentially, Randy Gutur has been known in his
career by coming in with the gameplan that you can't stop. He figures
out how to beat you, andhe executes it. Leoto Machida shut it
down tonight and did so with Imean, are we calling it a crane
and kick? Are we just gonnastart calling him the karate kid and say

(31:15):
he did the infamous or he's aninfamous I think the crane kick is kind
of infamous. The crane kick,well, yeah, and it's interesting that
comes from guys who Steven Seagale iscaught with footage he's showing them how to
do it. Who knows if it'sreally not supposed to happen. Though,
Yeah, I mean that's what mixedmartial arts proved, right, It proved

(31:36):
that karate techniques and flashy moves likethat don't work. You're gonna throw that,
you're gonna get picked up, you'regonna get dumped on your head.
That doesn't work in the octagon.We've seen it twice this year. And
maybe Steven Seagal he was just sofar ahead of his time. He saw
that this was the natural path ofmixed martial arts and that these crane kicks
were gonna be invaluable ten years fromnow. And who better to show than
Anderson Sulivan Leodo Machida, I guess. But yeah, yeah, but but

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really, though, did you getdepressed it all with seeing Randy knocked out?
I wanted to see him go outwith at least a decision. But
and even though the finish was justfantastic and I loved it, you know,
I don't like seeing that happen toRandy, and I think that's a
good sign that he should hang himup. Yeah, I mean seeing Randy
gatour flat on his back, youknow again, I mean the last time
I retired to get knocked up bychuckle it oll. I mean, it's

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it's heart wrenching a little bit,because I mean, yeah, Randy Gatour
is the hero of mixed martial arts. What he's done, you know,
as an ageless warrior is amazing.I mean, and I don't think any
other sport has a Randy Gatour.You can say that, you know,
Randy Gatour is the hero of mixedmartial arts, and he's this and he's
that. But if you compare himto a stick and ball sport athlete,

(32:44):
it just doesn't express how important RandyGatour is to mix martial arts. Because
again, if you look at RandyGatour and if he if he hangs him
up today, his record is gonnago down as nineteen wins and eleven losses.
That's not a great record. That'snot a record that you look at
and go, oh man, hewas a great fighter. But Randy Gutour
is going to be remembered as afighter that came up big in the biggest

(33:07):
moments, that was a part ofthe sport, in the most pinnacle of
moments. Four makes martial Arts.I mean, Randy Gutour's involvement in the
Ultimate Fighter Season one huge, RandyGutour's trilogy with Chuck Ladell. I don't
think there's a more important trilogy andmixed martial arts. Randy Gutour, despite
his lackluster record, he's probably thebest fighter and mixed martial arts history.

(33:30):
And he's such an ambassador of thesport too. You know, he's so
well spoken. He's got a lotof media attention on him because he does
these films like, uh, Ithink The Expendables, So there's a lot.
I mean, and I don't Idon't want to get too far away
from him, but Randy Gutur asan actor, that is not a good
idea so well, but yeah,but you have to admit that. You

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know, as soon as somebody isable to successfully cross over from mixed martial
arts at the highest level to Hollywood, despite how good of an actor they
may be, you know, itsays something to I think how important they
are and mixed martial arts, thatthey're willing to get that recognition and people
are able to pull them over.I mean, yeah, Randy Gutour is
a mainstream star. I mean heis, uh. People people know Randy

(34:15):
Gatour as an MMA fighter without everseeing him fight exactly, and that that's
important. Um. I don't wantto spend too much time on Randy Gatour
because he was a loser in thisfight, but it's hard not to when
you know he he is who heis. But going back to Leota Machidah
victorious with the the front kick,the crane kick, whatever you want to

(34:36):
call it, Um, definitely somethingout of a video game. Uh.
He he needed this win if hewas going to lose a Randy Gatour.
I mean, there was people talkingabout him possibly getting cut. Um.
You know, the Macheetah era definitelywasn't what everyone thought it was going to
be. When he defeated Rashad Evansand his two fights with with Showgun where
you know, his first one withShowgun when he won was was very very

(34:59):
close, scorted a draw and thenhe got stopped by Showgun. Um.
You know this is the road backto the title. It starts now for
Leodo Machida. Does he get there? I mean, do you think that
he can put together enough wins topossibly get a file with John Jones?
Oh? You know, absolutely,he's still and I gave him that fight
with with Rampage. Yeah, Imean, scoring will be damned. I

(35:22):
think that he won that fight,but we have to count it as a
loss. The problem is, though, is that this fight with Randy,
I'm just not sure what exactly itdid for his record. You know,
it's a it's a win over alegend, but I felt like it was
a lose lose, and that shouldhe lose, it would put him back
that much further. Like you said, he might be cut from the UFC
should he win. People are gonnasay, well, you know that's Randy

(35:43):
Kotora, guy who's forty seven yearsold. Now they're going to start using
their age, his age against him, and they're gonna say, and he
just retired. So so what whatdoes this fight exactly do for Leodo Machida.
You know, it's funny we talkabout him possibly getting cut and rantedy
once who doesn't think down that road. But uh, you know, now
with the new landscape of mixed martialarts, with Strikeforce being a zoofa company,

(36:04):
what happens to Leoto Machida if hegets cut he's fighting for Titan Fighting
Championship. I mean, if youget cut from the UFC and you're a
former champion, elite level guy likeLeoto. It just I can't imagine him
headlining a show in HD NET.It's a very, very long way to
fall. And part of it isthat with Shogunna's champ, people became pretty
disinterested in Machidah because they thought,well, he's not going to be able

(36:27):
to beat a showgun. He figuredhim out stylistically. There's nothing for him
there as soon as John Jones takesa title. Though. If people think
anybody can beat John Jones in thewhole entire light heavyweight division, it's either
Phil Davis, who I think losta lot of a shine after the Antonio
Jojerio no Gara fight, and theother one is Leoto Machidah because he's pretty
good against wrestlers, He's elusive,he has sort of an awkward striking style.

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So now that John Jones has takenthat place, I think that Leoto
Machida is going to get a lotmore attention. People are gonna follow his
path, his trajectory a little bitmore closely. You had to say elusive,
didn't you. Uh you know,I blame Joe Rogan. Yeah,
I'm just gonna blame you well,hey, yeah, I will blame Joe
Rogan. I you know, actuallywe counted one time how many times he

(37:15):
said it. I think in theTito Ortis fight it was some absurd number,
but it's true though. It's astyle. Yeah, this is UFC
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Coming into the Nights Fights, Ithink there was a little bit of a
groaning when people realize that Vladiman matchesShanko and Jason Brills was on the main
card. This this is a fightthat should have been on Facebook by all

(38:00):
accounts, I mean, looking atit, it wasn't a fight that I
really thought deserved to be on thepay per view, but we don't have
long to look at it. Twentyseconds it takes for Vladimir Matchshenko to dispatch
Jason Brill's via knockout. I didn'tsee it coming. Your thoughts on the
quick performance by the janitor. Mythoughts, and I'll make this quick,
is that he should send a thankyou card to Anthony hardonk at the Voss

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Jim because his striking looked very,very good. I was surprised. Yeah,
absolutely, Jason Brills is a guywho, you know, argue.
I mean, I don't even thinkhe's arguable. I think he clearly won
his fight with no Gara. Ithought he was gonna be Vladimir Matushenko,
Vladie said in his pre fight interview. Yeah, I'm gonna come in there
and I'm going to, you know, win this fight and I'm not going
to stop in my career until iget a title fight. And you know,

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I don't think Vladimir Matchshenko is aguy that anyone really looks at it
at getting a title shot at twohundred and five pounds. If he did,
we all know what happened last Augustwhen he fought John Jones, who's
the current champion now. But Imean it's hard to tell Vladimir Matcheshenko that
he doesn't have a title in himwhen he comes into the biggest UFC in
history and lays down twenty seconds ofwork, gets his win money and bounces.

(39:07):
Yeah. And I actually talked toVladimir Mattyishenko somewhat recently and it was
after his It was after his fightwith John Jones, and I asked him
who's gonna win between John Jones andRyan Bader? And you could tell that
I won't say worship, but hereally thought that John Jones was something special.
That's something they took away from thatfight. He without hesitation, he
said, John Jones is going tokill him. He's he's the next big

(39:28):
thing. I think that he knowsthat, you know, that's not where
he stands in the division. Heoccupies a space where he might fight some
up and coming guys, But twooh five gold is definitely out of the
picture for Vladimir matt Yushenko. Yeah, but as long as he wants to
keep fighting, I think he hasa home in the UFC. And with
performances like that, you can't growntoo much. When the janitor comes up
on the television looking at Ben Henderson. He had a tough time making way

(39:51):
against Mark Bocheck. He made theway and he won the fight. Bocheck
came into this fight saying that BenHenderson is chokable. There's a long,
long running thing that says Ben Hendersoncan't be choked. He's proved that in
some of the sides, and heproved that tonight. Mark Bocheck had his
chance, it wasn't able to chokeout. I guess Bendo, as everyone
calls him, your thoughts on bowchecks jiu jitsu attack against Ben Henderson.

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You know, I also talked toMark Bocheck recently, and when I talked
to him, I was so surprisedbecause he kept on bringing the conversation back
to Donald Cerroni and he was talkingabout how Donald Serroni's grappling isn't great,
and I kept on thinking to myself, why is he talking about Donald Serrooni
so much? And he was reallytrying to, I think, kind of
downplay what Ben Henderson has achieved.Obviously, we know what happened in his

(40:38):
fight with Donald Cerroni. He sunkin the guillotine, But I think that
that plays a lot into him losinghere. I think that he undervalued Ben
Henderson as an opponent. And oneof the best things I see out of
Ben Henderson is that he is sogood in the scramble. The way that
he was able to create space doesn'tmatter how high level of a bridge zillion

(41:00):
jiu jitsu guy Mark Bocheck is.You know, Ben Henderson's going to find
a way to get out of whateveryou're throwing at him. Yeah, and
he did that tonight and Bocheck,you know, he's a jiu jitsu guy
at heart. But I mean hiswrestling ability is pretty good too. I
mean, there's not a lot ofguys that are going to get on top
every single time in scrambled situations.With Mark Bocheck, Ben Henderson was pretty

(41:21):
much able to do that tonight.Looking at Ben Henderson, he's a former
WBC lightweight champion. He you know, had a very close fight with Anthony
Pettish can argue that Pettis's flashy kickin the fifth round, the showtime kick
is a stubbed now was really thecrushing blow that won him the decision.
Ben Henderson's now in the UFC.He's successful in his first UFC fight.

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Where does he fit in this division? That's the That's the whole question,
isn't it. Where did the WCguys fit in? You have guys like
Jim Miller saying they're nothing, They'llbe out of here in two fights.
You have other guys insisting were forreal, like Anthony Pettis. That's the
whole point of him trying to fightthe winner of Graymard Frankie Edgar. I
think Ben Henderson he has limitations.His striking is okay, his real strength

(42:07):
this is wrestling, and he alsohas some Brazilian jiu jitsu chops. I
see him as a maybe a fringetop ten guy. He has to do
something so impressive to I guess,wipe out the collective memory of the showtime
kick, because no matter how youphrase it, you know he's on the
receiving end of that, and that'show he'll be remembered until he does something

(42:28):
remarkable. I mean, even whenhe does something remarkable. I mean,
he could capture the UFC title,but you're not going to see a highlight
of Anthony Pattis without seeing Ben Hendersonget dropped by that. And it's very
hard to eliminate people's view of atimeless highlight real like that it is.
And you know, I kind ofwant to just talk to Ben Henderson some

(42:49):
time and say to him, youknow, how does it feel to be
that guy? You know, forthe rest of history, that's how you're
remembered. But you know, he'sa very good fighter, and I'm sure
he can pull something out the UFCif he keeps on winning, they can't
just neglect him and forget about him. Yeah, so so there's a chance,
sure, yep. Moving on tothe Wealth Away Division, Roy McDonald
defeated Nate Diaz, and Roy McDonaldcame into the UFC and put a clinic

(43:15):
on Carlo's condit. Unfortunately, hesaid it tonight. He got emotional.
That's what he blamed for losing thatfight. He didn't do that. He's
very composing against Nate Diaz. Ithink when people look at this card,
there's a few highlights of it.But uh, sue plexing Nate Diaz repeatedly,
I guess I guess the verb wouldbe sue playing Nate Diaz repeatedly is

(43:37):
going to be on the minds ofpeople to come. I mean, you
talk about highlights next time Roy McDonaldfights, you can guarantee that you're going
to see some sup plays. Yeah, if you were, if you were
playing a drinking game tonight where youhad to take a shot, anytime some
guy got suit played, you wouldbe you would get a mild buzz just
because of a courtesy of mister RoryMcDonald. And when he talks about being

(43:58):
emotional, I don't know where thiscame from, the idea that everybody has
to be a cyborg like Fad ora million Anko in the cage. The
fact is is that Roy McDonald,he's a young guy, he's twenty one
years old, and I think thatsure, emotion can hinder you in fights,
It can lead you to make somestupid decisions, but if you harness
it, like a good example wouldbe Benson Henderson. He was visibly angry

(44:22):
after Mark Bochet got him in somepretty crazy positions and he got up and
he beat the crap out of him. I think that Roy McDonald there was
he showed a little bit of emotiontonight, and I think he handled it
well and I think it aided hisperformance. Actually, yeah, you know,
we were talking about title contenders forGeorge Saint Pierre's title. At the
top of the show, the nameRoy McDonald came up, but obviously we're

(44:43):
both in agreement that he is not, you know, anywhere near the title,
but his title run. Should hestay this dominant man? That's gonna
be fun to watch, Oh?Absolutely. And it all comes down to
Carlos Condent. You know, hebeat himself up so much after that.
I actually I'm friends with him onFacebook. Don't ask, but because to

(45:05):
be honest, I don't know theguy at all. He popped up in
my feed and I said, hey, I'll add Rory McDonald. But he
posts some interesting stuff man, wherehe's talking about how you know, and
I'm being a little bit dramatic hereabout how he'll wake up in the middle
of the night and he's so terrifiedand he you know. And I think
it all stems back from what happenedwith Carlos Conde. It was tragic.
He beats a guy up for threerounds and literally in the last maybe thirty

(45:28):
five seconds, he gets a lostseven seconds left to go. Yep,
you know. I hate to jumpon that bandwagon of calling a fighter the
new breed mixed martial artists because Imean George Saint Pierre, after all,
was one of the first guys thatthey called the new breed of mixed martial
artist. Rich Franklin was one ofthose guys as well. But really,
Rory McDonald has a wealth of experienceand he's twenty one years old. He's

(45:51):
been training in every aspect of mixedmartial arts since he started. He's going
to continue to grow. I mean, that's the thing. This kid is
really really dominant and he's only one. I mean, he's a baby in
not only just makes martial laruns,been in life in general. I mean,
this is a man who has youknow, many many fights before he
could even legally drink. That's aweird way to put it, but you're

(46:15):
absolutely right. And and John Jones, how old is he? You know,
we're starting to see a trend inthis and it's freaky, but it's
also it's also really really cool.And I think that Roy McDonald he'll be
carrying the flag. You know,I'm not sure if he is comfortable with
the moniker he you know, he'sa new breed, because that puts a
lot of unrealistic expectations on you.But let's just accept the fact that he's

(46:36):
extremely good. He beat the crapout of Nate Diaz in a fight that
a lot of people thought was goingto be close, and he could be
a viable one hundred and seventy poundcontender in the near future. Yeah.
Absolutely so. Congratulations to Roy McDonaldtonight in defeating Nate Diaz by unanimous decision.
Jake Ellenberg was victorious over Sean Pearson, stopping the Canadian at two minutes
and forty two seconds of round numberone. He did it with his hands

(46:59):
Ellenburger wrestler at Hart but showing thathe has some some really good stand up
You know. He when when youtalk about Ellenburger stand up credentials, it's
hard not to bring up his quickknockout over Jose Pallee Landy John. I
mean he made Pale vomit. Heknocked him out and Plee vomited because of
the strike. Uh. He madeSean Pearson um look novice on the feet

(47:22):
tonight. Jake Ellenberger is a guythat, you know, it wasn't far
removed from supposedly wanting or actually havinga fight on the books with John Fitch
that didn't come to fruition. JakeEllenberger. He talked about contenders in one
hundred and seventy pounds, He's oneof them. Yeah, and that's another
one of the fights. You know, this was it was like an awakening
for the one hundred and seventy pounddivision. Jake Ellenberger is an animal.

(47:45):
And as soon as I think JakeEllenberger, I think knockout power. A
guy who has a pretty pretty goodwrestling pedigree. I think he helps out
with the program with a Division twoprogram in Nebraska, so it's constantly working
on it, constantly tuning up.I would put him in the exact same
category as Rory McDonald, where Ifeel like he's not ready yet. And

(48:07):
in a weird way, it kindof stems back to Carlos Conda. Didn't
he lose a Was it a splitdecision against Carlos Condent? I think so,
I'll have to look at the fightfinder, which is not loading the
best, but yep, skill decision, you got it? Yeah, yeah,
split decision. So Carlos Condent,he's like the big spoil sport in
this whole entire thing, and ironicallyhe might be the next guy to get

(48:28):
a title shot at hundred seventy Butyou know, these guys, they're very,
very good, they're very promising.I just feel like both Rory and
Jake just give him a little bitmore time in the incubator and then they'll
be ready to go. And Conda'sprobably not going to get a title fight
anytime soon because he is with theJackson camp still, isn't he Yes,
he is. And then there's thetime with George Saint Pierre, but apparently

(48:49):
that doesn't matter anymore. See RashadEvans. Yeah, or also Nate Marquart.
A lot of people are saying that'sthe reason why he's so keen on
moving down to one seventy. Now, Yeah, it's interesting. So moving
on, let's talk about some bandawait action. Ivan men Jevar landed a
vicious elbow to the face of CharlieValencia, breaking his nose and stopping the
fight at woman in thirty seconds,I mean ninety seconds it took for Ivan

(49:12):
men Jevar to dispatch a tough veteranin Charlie Valencia. And I mentioned the
elbow. That's something that Jordan Breneand I have talked about in the past.
I mean, standing elbows are oneof the most underutilized strikes in mixed
martial arts, and that said,it's hard. There's not many guys that
can really lamp a guy and puthim down with a standing elbow. I
think Paul Daley had one against SamMorgan that was absolutely vicious in a lade

(49:37):
xc Ivan men Jevar, I thinkthis one was better than that. I
haven't seen a standing elbow in spacelike that. I mean, you talk
about standing elbows, most standing elbowsgenre are done against the fence. This
was out in the open. Ivanmen Jevar landed a vicious elbow completely obliterated
the nose of Charlie Valencia. Andagain, I just don't think we've seen
many standing elbows that are that pretty. You know how there are these the

(50:00):
strikes that they become prototypes where youknow, if you think of a left
high kick, you're going to conjureup thoughts of miracle crow copy. And
that's just how it works overhand,right, you might think, oh,
Dan Henderson, it's almost like theshort elbow now belongs to Ivan Menshevar,
because I've never seen a short elbowthat good, that clean and that powerful.

(50:20):
One thing that was really lost inthe whole Ivan Menshevar thing is Mike
Goldberg said, you know, hejust sort of he walked away for a
little bit from mixed martial arts threeyears. He had to take a little
break. The reason why, andThomas Rios actually pointed this out I follow
him on Twitter, is that theguy was living in poverty and he had
to he had to attend to otherthings. He had to make money.
So this is a story that's beinglost in this whole entire thing. So

(50:45):
this win is something really special forIvan Menjevar. I think we should pay
a little bit of heat to thattoo. Even going back to that,
I mean, Ivan Mensjevar is aguy that fought George Saint Pierre. He
was fighting in mixed martial arts ata time where lighter weight didn't exist.
I mean, you couldn't get afight one hundred and thirty five pounds exactly.
You know. He fought in theUFC at one fifty or one fifty
five, you know. And Iremember we found Ivan men Jevar on the

(51:07):
SRN last week in regards of thisfight. You know, he mentioned,
you know, fighting Matt Sarah.When he was fighting Matt Sarah back in
two thousand and three or two thousandand four. You know, he was
complaining that he can fight at fortyfive. Um, you know, the
option to fight at thirty five isavailable now, and I think Ivan men
Jevar is gonna do fantastic things there. This is his only second fight at

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at one thirty five. I'm notgonna say that he's gonna, you know,
challenge for a title anytime soon,but um, you know, should
he put together the wins, he'smore than deserving on his story alone.
Isn't it weird to think really quickthat George Saint Pierre I think that that
was his first pro fight against Ivanmen Jevar, you know, And so
he's starring on the same card aUFC one twenty nine, arguably the biggest

(51:52):
UFC card opposite of well not opposite, but with George Saint Pierre, with
a guy who's now considered to bea top pound propound guy. Absolutely,
it was a big night for aCanadian mixed martial largs and the Canadians involved
in the UFC one twenty nine.Jason McDonald got a quick win over Ryan
Jensen by triangle choke, submitting theNebraskan at a woman in thirty seven seconds

(52:13):
of the very first round. JasonMcDonald went through a lot of rehab following
his injury in his last UFC performance. It was nice to see Jason McDonald
get that win. And you know, not that I was cheering for him,
but you you have to smile alongsideof him when you know what the
man went through. He gets thatquick win on the UFC's biggest show.
It's in his home home country ofCanada, and you know, knowing what

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the man went through, I meana lot of guys, a lot of
lesser men, would have quit afterthe severity of his ankle injury. John,
I mean, he was really upagainst it. He had to do
a lot of rehab and just toget back in there and through a caution
to the win. I mean,again, I don't have the fighter's mentality,
but if I was hurt and injuredthat badly, I don't know how

(52:58):
I could go back to a sportwhere injury is not not just something that
could happen, but eventually it's acertainty it's going to happen. You are
going to get hurt. Now,granted, the severity of injuries aren't usually
what Jason McDonald's was coming out ofhis last fight, but you know that
that danger is always there, andthat didn't seem to wear on him at
all. I mean, he wasready to go and he made quick work.
Or Ryan Jensen, well, Ithink it's fair to say that Jason

(53:22):
McDonald is infinitely more ballsy than youthan you and I the whole the whole
thing about him, though, isthat we're talking about a guy who when
he fought DEVII and Maya, who'swidely considered to be the best grappler,
not even at one eighty five,but just in the world in general.
Next, yeah, absolutely pure,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
next to guy's like hdro Gracie andI guess you know Jacque ray Susa.

(53:44):
He took him down and he wasactively grappling and trying to submit the guy.
The guy has brass balls. Ithink it's a very good way to
put it. And I have aton of respect for Jason McDonald. What
he showed tonight was that he's areally good mixed martial artist. I don't
think he has any loose that he'stop of the food chain in his division.
He's just really, really good,and it's always good to see him

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fight. Yep I mentioned it wasa good night for Canadians. Another Canadian
victorious early in the night on Facebook, John mcdesie makes, you know,
a highlight reel out of Kyle Watsonstopping him in the third frame at one
minute twenty seven seconds with spinning backfist. I don't know what bonuses are tonight.
I'm assuming Leoto Macheedah is going toget the knockout of the night over

(54:28):
Randy Guitur with that jumping front kick. But John mcdesie was a front runner
early with a very very nice fakeand turning it into a spinning backfist.
Your thoughts on the combination that putKyle Watson to bed, well, Kyle
Watson, I've actually I've chatted withKyle Watson about this before. His biggest
problem is apparently, the dude isa frigging stud in the gym at Teamhead

(54:51):
Squad. He rolls with some goodguys, he's just striking with some great
guys and he you know, isreally pushing guys while he's training. But
as soon as he gets out thereand he's you know, in front of
tons of cameras, tons of viewership, he really freezes up. He has
performance anxiety. I think that wasthe biggest factor in the fight, because
the dude has chops. John mcdesie, on the other hand, I disagree

(55:12):
with you. I think that heabsolutely deserves the knockout of the night bonus.
That was I mean, he channeledShoney Carter fighting Matt Sarah in that
one. It was beautiful. Yeah. I mean, if I had a
vote for the record, I thinkI would go with macdesie. And that's
not to take anything away from LeotoMachidah, but just the way that the
spinning backfist was set up was brilliant. It was beautiful. I mean he

(55:34):
faked with a left well, Ican't remember so long ago. I mean,
that's the thing. It's very rarethat we watched eight hours of fights
NonStop. Every single fight tonight wason Facebook, Spike TV, or pay
per view. And I think Isaw the Ivan mentioned our Charlotte Valencia fight
three times. But wait, wait, I'm sorry to interrupt you here really
quick. USA Today is reporting twelvepoint twelve point seven five million dollar gait.

(55:58):
They had fifty five thousand dollars inattend one hundred and twenty nine thousand
dollars bonuses. Fight of the Nightwent to Aldohaminik knock Out of the Night,
up, you were right, LeotaMachidah, and sub of the Night
went to Pablo Garza. Yeah,we'll stock Pablo Garza. He defeats Eve
Jablan by flying triangle choke at fourminutes and thirty one seconds of round number
one. It was a great submission, don't get me wrong, But can

(56:19):
you still call it a flying trianglechoke? After he jumps into it and
he gets it roughly a minute later. I'm not taking anything away from him
because it was fantastic. I willgive him that, But I mean,
how do you know it's in thefive fighters flying triangle choke? I mean,
I guess he set it up thatway. What do you call it?
Triangle choke? Flying triangle choke?Does it even matter? It's it's

(56:39):
a triangle choke. You know.He set it up by going for a
flying triangle and I was extremely impressedby his planning and his foresight. In
the post fight interview, he saidthat the whole entire plan apparently was to
lock up even the tie clinch,throw some knees, get him to cover
up go for a flying triangle andthen apparently he just transitioned to mount and

(57:02):
he was thinking about setting up anarmbar and he just kept the triangle instead.
But think about the foresight on agrappling combination like that. It's absurd.
Yeah, now, absolutely, itwas nice the way he broke it
down. He broke it down forJoe Rugan. In the post fight,
he was very, very happy andpleased with his performance. And again I'm
not taking anything away from it becauseit was fantastic. There are not a
lot of guys that can jump fora flying triangle and finish it right away

(57:23):
and eat and finish it right away. But you know, to be able
to jump for that flying triangle,you know, we talked about balls earlier
with NSA McDonald. I mean youhave to have balls to do that,
especially with another one hundred and fortyfive pound guy. I mean, these
guys are so quick, lightning quick. If you make one mistake, you
are going to have to pay forit. And let's not take away the

(57:45):
fact that jab One was in controlof this fight early. He was landing
kicks dropping Garza, you know,with the light kicks, I mean Garza
had to go through some adversity beforehe could even think about delivering those knees
of the body and getting a triangle. Yeah. And I was actually really
scared because you know, you heardthe sound. It sounded like he broke

(58:06):
his leg or something like he brokePablo Guards's leg, and I was really
concerned. But it looked like itdidn't face Pablo at all. He was
totally in control of the fight.You know, I know you're being totally
nitpicky about the submission. I thinkit's a very nitpicky grape. It was
a spectacular submission. Why are youtrying to take away from it? Because
it's it's it's all about the paper, It's all about that cheddar. When
it comes to bonuses and anything flyingis always going to win, and more

(58:30):
adjectives the better, exactly, exactly, and really, I mean the only
thing he was up against tonight waswas Jason McDonald's trying. Let's be on
his Pablo Guards is a lot better, but for talking points, had to
get nitpicky for a second. Absolutely, he's John Luther im TJ to sants,
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Tour. And then listening to thebeat down he dated. That's right,
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the bell, but the hour earlierstart means we start earlier not only the
pay per view but US as weimmediately followed the pay per view, whiles
we get done an hour earlier.I like the time. I mean,
granted, work gets done quicker.I get to go home, either play
video games or fall into a coma. But I'm digging the new startime,
John, I'm really digging the newstartime. I'm on the West Coast.

(01:01:07):
I usually hate East Coasters, youknow, because they mess up the whole
live feed thing. I'm just kidding. I actually love you. But you
know, there's there's some weird reasonsfor that. Something that's been tossed around
is that, you know, peoplesay that the UFC that they actually really
value the print media and that theywant to give them a little an extra

(01:01:28):
hour to get on board get someolder eyeballs on the product. I think
that's mainly the reason why they're doingthis. Yeah, I mean, I
think there's a variety of reasons.One is the print media, I think.
The other is this a simple factthat when the show gets done on
the East Coast, it's one o'clock. By the time the press is done,
it's two o'clock. The fighters getback to the hotel. You look
at the two thirty. I mean, I don't know. I think I

(01:01:51):
would have a hard time competing ata high level. Grant of these fighters
are used to it if you've beenfighting USC for a long time, but
can you imagine trying to do somethingat a high level at midnight? I
just I don't I know, it'smaybe it's it's really not that big of
a deal. But um, youknow, most other stick and ball sports
or really any athlete doesn't have todo something at midnight. Yeah. The
other reason I'd probably point to isprobably, uh, Dana White has said,

(01:02:15):
we want to go to the internetcompletely and utterly. We want to
get rid of pay per view becausewell, there's reasons for that. The
pay per view guys they're basically gettinga forty percent cut of the of the
revenue on the pay per view.If they can kick those guys out,
they're basically seeing you know, twicethe money overnight. And it's interesting that
you know, we have these allday events now, uh, you know,

(01:02:37):
courtesy of Facebook. They're really makingit happen. Yeah, I mean
that's the thing tonight there was sixhour of fights, six hours of NonStop
mixed martial arts action, whether it'son Facebook, Spike TV, or pay
per view. And that's the thingtoo. We're in this new you know,
decade of media. It's the digitalmillennium, and um, you know,

(01:02:57):
with with you mentioned the UFC maybegetting away from pay per view and
doing everything online, I think it'sit's good for them. It's something you
know, I made a tweet earlier. Tonight they obviously had the four hour
time blocker was allowed to go overbecause if you look back at you see
thirty three Tarts and Vladimy Matushenko.That fight went the distance and no one
got to see the final two rounds. Tonight they went over the three hour

(01:03:20):
mark with George Saint Pierre and JakeShields going the distance. You know,
great, they probably just had topay more licensing fees or pay per view
time buys or whatever. But it'sit's interesting if the UFC goes to pay
per view and you watch everything throughUFC dot tv. I think there's a
number of issues in house that goout the window that aren't issues anymore because
they're in charge of their own production. Yeah, and mixed martial arts it

(01:03:45):
a lot of people have said thatit's the first truly modern sport because it's
kind of it came about through Internet, especially during the Dark Ages, and
now we're seeing it really just occupythe whole entire space of the Internet where
they're doing these shows on Facebook.I think eventually they want to get rid
of TV altogether. Yeah, itwill be nice if they have an outlet,
but that seems to be the waythings are going now. It seems

(01:04:06):
like with Spike and the UFC,they're kind of having like a seven year
rich I chatted with my my buddyRob Joyner about it, and they're both
looking to sort of do different things. Spike is looking to pull in some
other demographics like women and some olderpeople and the mixed martial arts, and
we we kind of appeal to apretty short sighted demo of like the eighteen

(01:04:28):
through thirty five mail. Yeah,but that demo is the most coveted of
all demographics, being that the eighteento thirty five year old mail is apparently
the only demographic that actually goes outand spends money. True, but still,
you know, you're you're right.I think that there are things in
house that we don't really know about. But you talk about production, we
talk about, you know, thelandscape of mixed martial arts changing with the

(01:04:50):
Strikeforce acquisition by ZUFA. ZUFA hasalways been very very demanding of controlling their
own production. They want Michael Bergand Joe Rogan in the booth, whether
they're on Spike TV, pay perview, Facebook or a premium network or
a network television deal all together,a CBS, an NBC, anything like

(01:05:11):
that. If they're going to beon TV, they want their guys in
the booth. I think that,you know, there are a lot of
questions coming with this Strikeforce acquisition.Should the UFC or ZOOFA want to renew
a deal with Strikeforce on Showtime,or whether they want to get Strikeforce gone
all together and do the UFC ona premium network like Showtime. I think

(01:05:31):
you know that some of the thingsthat you brought up are sort of a
clear indication that the UFC now doesn'tneed a premium network like Showtime. They
don't even need network television at thispoint. The UFC is so big that,
I mean, John, I reallywouldn't be surprised at the UFC turned
down a renewed contract with Showtime orreally, I mean, I haven't heard

(01:05:51):
anything of a network television deal withthe UFC at all. I don't even
know if it's something that they're eveninterested in pursuing. I mean, do
you think that the UFC has anythingto gain by putting UFC programming on a
Showtime or a CBS or anything likethat in the future, where part of
the deal might be Hey, wewant a Gus Johnson to do the play
by player. We want more Ronald, we want a third independent party to

(01:06:13):
do the play by play of yourproduct. Well, you know, I
think it all has to do withthe UFC being kind of OCD about their
product. You're right, they wantto have complete and utter control over it.
And if a big network comes upwith some multibillion dollar deal they say,
hey, you know, let usdo this for you. You take
the money, we get to havea little bit of input. As far

(01:06:34):
as, you know, creative decisions, I think that the UFC would absolutely
turn them down because you see inother sports there are these decisions that are
made that are kind of antithetical toreason. The average sports fan is sort
of left scratching their head. TheUFC, you got to admit, they
do seemingly everything right. I mean, we can nitpick things here and there,

(01:06:55):
but they're really good about their choices. As far as Strikeforce, I
would feel bad for Joe Rogan andMike Goldberg and their voices if they had
to do on top of the UFCcard Strikeforce cards as well. But who
knows, We may see those decisionshappen with production. Yeah, it would
be interesting. I mean, asfar as the production sign goes, that's
something that Jordan and I are nitpickyabout here on this program be done after
the bell I think for good reason. I think I think Mike Goldberg,

(01:07:20):
well, we're I'm I'm not goingto say that we're hard on the UFC
either, We're hard on on everybody, and I'm not saying that I can
do a better job. But thereare things that absolutely aggravate me about some
of the production standpoint when it comesto the Ultiman Fighting Championship, especially you
know, I mentioned the Joe Roganshout outs of oh, if you're playing
the UFC drinking game, take anothershot. If your play by play announcer

(01:07:44):
has to take as many piss breaksis Mike Goldberg needs to over a six
hour period. I understand it's sixhours. You're gonna have to take a
pea break at some point, butI think there are more opportune times,
especially as the main events about tostart. Jake Shields was coming out and
Mike Goldberg apparently wasn't cage side.I don't understand that if you have to
go to the bathroom that much.Get it, Dan Catheter Yeah, that's

(01:08:08):
interesting. Maybe he has a prostateproblem that he hasn't revealed to the world.
I no, no, I don't. I don't know what that is.
But isn't isn't it interesting that theycan they know what they can get
away with. They know Mike Goldbergknows he can go. He's probably done
it many many times before, andwe just don't even know it, right.
You know, I would have knownabout it unless Joe Rogan, you
know, brought it up. Andhe did bring it up. That's how

(01:08:30):
why I know about it. ButI think that, you know, it's
interesting. We talk about the newage of digital technology and just you know,
open communication. I mean, we'reboth on Twitter, you mentioned Facebook.
The world is connected in a waythat it's never been before, and
with that comes some privied information tothe entire world. I mean, Joe
Rogan has no problem shouting out hey, you know in so many words.

(01:08:53):
Hey, look, Michaeldberg's pissing andhe's not back. So I better tell
you that Jake Shields is a formerStrikeforce champion and he has a real threat
to to defeat George Saint Pierre tonight. And I'll just fill time until Goldberg
comes back. If we didn't haveTwitter and things like that, that wouldn't
be public information. And I don'tknow if it's because mixed martial arts is
a new sport in the sense thatit was carried by the Internet, by

(01:09:15):
websites like the one year on rightnow, shirtog dot com, if it's
because we're sort of open and liberalwith you know, information like that that
really wasn't wouldn't be available otherwise.I don't know if it is a good
thing or is it bad thing becausewe almost seem too lax about it,
too free with Hey, look,this is a problem in a way.

(01:09:36):
Look, Michaeldberg is dealing with somepersonal issues. The world shouldn't really know
about it. Larry Merchant would neverdo that. Yeah, And a big
thing is that the UFC, asmuch as they like to bulk up their
product and convince us that they're thegreatest thing since sliced bread, which a
lot of people do, and Ilove the fights, they aren't quite there

(01:09:58):
yet in the mainstream, and Ithink that they can get away with a
lot of things like these. DanaWhite, you know, he's he's the
figurehead of this big what they claimto be a billion dollar business, and
he says some things that I don'tthink you'd see the head of the NFL
say. Um. But that's anotherthing about the UFC is that they like
to keep it real. And Ithink there's a little bit of nostalgia from
the earlier ufcs, where you know, there were gaffs. They would say

(01:10:21):
some pretty ludicrous things. Uh.You know, we see the Gladia,
the Gladiator intro all the time.They don't get rid of that. They
haven't abandoned that yet, and youknow it, it's sort of a wholesome
product in an ironic kind of way. I like it that it is so
raw and so real. You mentionedsome of the hyperbolic statements that you know
happen from time to time with theUFC and Joe Rogan and Michaelberg. The

(01:10:46):
constant hyping of did Jake Shields doenough Joe to take this decision? It
was the same thing with Mark Cominick, when clearly there was a winner in
both of those fights. I don'tthink anyone was holding their breath when it
went to the scorecards in either titlefight, are we? I mean,
why is he doing that? Isit to make it more interesting? I
mean, you already have the money. We've already spent the fifty four dollars

(01:11:10):
to buy the pay per view inHD. I mean, I don't know
why you have to sell it somuch. Just I mean, Rogan was
honest when when Goldberg posed the questionto him, did Jake Shields do enough
to take this fight via decision?And Joe's like, absolutely not. I
just I get excited when Rogan shutshim down in the way that he does,
but I don't I don't see thenecessity to make a fight scene closer

(01:11:32):
than it is. I mean,we've already bought the pay per view,
you're getting the money, exactly.And probably the best example of that that
I can think of, and I'mwith you, man, as soon as
Joe Rogan shuts him down, Ilove it. Joe Rogan is he's he
tries to be as truthful as hecan, and I appreciate that about his
commentary. But probably the best exampleof that is when Mike Goldberg said Joe

(01:11:54):
is Travis Looter, the Michael Jordanof Brazilian jiu jitsu, and he had
to say, no, that's probablyour sell Garcia or maybe hold your Gracie
and uh. But he makes thesestatements every once in a while, and
I think people we've gotten to thepoint where we're sort of numb to it.
We just shake our heads. Weknow it's Mike Goldberg. Yeah,
I had to deal with dismayed doingMinnesota while hockey for a moment, so

(01:12:15):
I'm not I'm not gonna say thatI'm not used to it by now.
I think I have a little moreMike Goldberg time than the normal people.
But he really wasn't much worse whenhe was doing hockey. Just the over
dramatic setups for just random face offthroughout a a hockey game was a little
ridiculous at times, but you know, it is what it is. Yeah,
and Joe Rogan his job is to, I guess, inform fans about

(01:12:39):
what's going on. He does agreat job at it. By the way,
I think that Mike Mike Goldberg's job. You know, first and foremost,
he's a company guy. He's gonnatry to sell whoever's fighting to the
to the public. It's his job. I can't blame him for it.
But every once in a while,he h he gives he makes these comments
that really makes him sound like aneo fight in martial Arts said that he

(01:13:00):
just really doesn't know what he's talkingabout, and he's been doing this for
a while. I don't know whythis happens now. Eight seven seven nine
to seven nine two four four isthe telephone number if you want to share
your thoughts on the Mike Goldberg situation, if we can call it a situation.
Eric from Louisiana joins us here.I'm beaten. After the bell,
Eric, how are you, ahi? Guy? I'm glad you're here.
I'm glad you're here. I wantto make two points in particular. Number

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one, I thought everything was ata higher level tonight, including the GOLDBERGI
ism. The thoughts of Karate Kidand Kathleen Canada I thought were priceless.
I did notice from blatant hyping ofcertain things, seems like they're being a
company, guys, Goldberg and Rogantonight a little bit more. Yeah,

(01:13:46):
I appreciate the call. The CaptainCanada was a little ridiculous. I mean,
I think it was cheapened, especiallywhen you go from a guy like
Randy Gator, who his nickname isCaptain America. I mean, he stands
for so much mixed martial Larks andjust to call George Saint Pierre Captain Canada
didn't make much sense to me.John, Okay, but is it untrue
though? I mean, is let'sbe honest, George Saint Pierre. Yeah,

(01:14:10):
it's a very very cheesy moniker.But is he not by you know,
far and away the biggest figure inCanada as far as mixed martial arts
is concerned. Yeah, I meanI get that, but it just Captain
Canada seems real cheesy and the othercheesy. I wouldn't say it's cheesy.
It just struck me as a youknow, maybe forty mid forty year old
guy going through a midlife crisis andtrying to be hip. Is when is

(01:14:33):
when Mike Goldberg said just sick whenI think with Randy, Yeah, that
was painful to me. That wasThat was eight seven seven nine six seven
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Here in the Shirt already now work. We welcome you calls eight seven seven
nine seven nine two four four gotDavid in Toronto joining us. David,
you're at the Roger Center tonight todescribe the experience? Oh man, Um,

(01:17:10):
it was. It was incredible.I have to say. It fulfilled
all my expectations and more. Um. I was there literally from four o'clock
on because they let they opened thestadium two hours early, and you know,
we got up close with the ringand it was a fantastic experience.
No hassles. Um. I willsay, though, it was not a
sellout, despite all information to thecontrary. Um. I literally bought my

(01:17:35):
ticket on Ticketmaster two days ago.Interesting, and you know they they said
sellout, sellout, and there waslots of empty seats I have. In
fact, I scanned my way upto the floor without any problem. Interesting.
Tell me, tell me what whatthe noise was like, because I
knew there were some concerns about thenoise not being as loud as hold on

(01:17:56):
they got me. I apologize,Um, talk about the noise. H
Well, stadiums, the noise isnot very similar to an arena. What
was it as loud as you expected? You know what, it was pretty
loud when you know certain things happened, But I gotta tell you a lot
of times. For a second,I thought I was in Tokyo because it
would be dead silence in that place. And I don't know if it's because

(01:18:17):
it was so big, or ifit's just the quiet Canadian crowd who's like
not sure what they're looking at orsomething. But it was really loud at
times, and then it was quitesilent at times. And I haven't been
to another MMA event in my life, so I can't really compare. I've
seen them all, but I've neverbeen to one, so I don't know

(01:18:38):
what it's like inside normally. ButI got a couple of tidbits if you're
interested. I heard that I wassitting next to a guy who was very
high level MMA guy who's part ofa lot of guys camps. He's sort
of a service provider, and he'stelling me that John Jones has no chance

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against Rashad Evans. Did he saywhy? Did he give any reason to
that matter? Yeah? He said, in training, it's rashod all day
long. And he also said thatJohn Jones has no heart. So I'm
just passing that along. I arguedwith him, saying, Hey, don't
look that way to me. Buthe said all day long, ra shod

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Wow. Well, well we'll seewhen that plays out. You had a
question for him, John, Yeah, David, I was just wondering a
lot of people were talking about,you know, the visibility at Rogers.
A lot of people were saying,fifty five thousand people, nobody's going to
be able to see. The UFCconstructed these you know, big projectors for
people to see. Were you ableto see all of the action you mean,

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in the ring or on the screens, just all of it. How
was the experience visibility was? Iwould say that overall the experience was fantastic
because I found myself, even thoughI was sitting you know, ten rows
back, that I was looking atthe screen because you have to look through
the cage and it's really not that. It's just a much better experience to

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look at the screen. You know, it's so much more magnified. So
I would and even if people arestanding up in front of you, you
can generally find a screen to lookat. No, they did a fantastic
jobs. Screens were everywhere and theywere just massive and incredibly clear. So
I don't think there was anyone inthat entire stadium that could have complained about
the view, and there were peoplethat were miles away from the ring,

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but it didn't really matter because Iwas close to the ring and I found
myself looking at the screen. Yeah, I appreciate it. The called David,
thank you. I hope you enjoyedthe fights. No, it was
great, and thanks for taking mycall out. There is David from Toronto
joining us. Actually attended the showtonight at Roger Center. Got an email
here from Jonathan Jonathan f not JohnLuther, who joins me in place of
Jordan Breen. Subject Mike Goldberg,he says, I think that he proves

(01:20:50):
no matter your lovelock of experience,there are certain people who are just incapable
of having a true grasp on thesport of mixed martial arts, even though
he's trained BJJ and striking. Butalso it leads me to the question,
is he really that passionate about makesmartial arts or is it just a job
for him, a job that he'sbecome quite involved in because he's been doing

(01:21:12):
it for so long. Also,I swear if Goldberg said slip and rip
one more time, I was goingto kick the television. I think he
said it at least five times duringthe broadcast this evening. Also, most
people with the tenuous knowledge of strikingaren't going to know what the heck he's
talking about. How about finding somefreaking synonyms, mixing up his phrases as

(01:21:32):
opposed to repeating the same thing overand over again. And by the way,
tonight, Macheedah's precision was, itwas just really precise. I think
that he's a He's ripping on Goldbergthere as well. But yeah, I
mean that's the thing. Goldberg,I mean, his life is mixed martial
arts because that's his main job.He who was a hockey and ouns.

(01:21:55):
I mean, that's the thing.Mike Goldberg is a broadcaster at heart.
He's a sports broadcaster. He stillshows up on the Red Bull air races.
I mentioned that I saw him doNHL hockey. I don't think that
Mike Goldberg is as bad as heactually is, if that makes sense,
because I think he understands a sportof mixed martial arts. John I think
he knows. I think when hesaid it wasn't enough to steal the decision

(01:22:16):
Joe and regarding the Jake Shields andin George Saint Pierre find. I think
he actually knows that George Saint Pierrewon pretty much every single round. But
it's almost something like you hit onearlier. I think he's just trying to
be hip. He's trying to becool, and at times it just comes
off as being kind of dumb.Do you know for a fact that he
trains Brazilian jiu jitsu. I've heardthat he's rolled around in the past.

(01:22:41):
I don't know if he holds arank, but I definitely know that he's
done striking with Mark Delagrade. Well, there's two possibilities. Then, either
you're right he's maybe he's just tryingto play the devil's advocate. He's trying
to, you know, connect withpeople who really don't understand mixed martial arts
in our very casual viewers, orelse. You know, he could be
a Gus Johnson kind of guy.I think that Gus Johnson is like a

(01:23:04):
blue belt in jiu jitsu or somethingand he just does not get mixed martial
arts. That's that's a possibility.We have proof that someone like that exists
in Gus Johnson. Yeah, Imean it's going to be very hard to
get someone who understands broadcast journalism andunderstands the sport and can meld the two

(01:23:26):
at the same time and not bem you know, too hardcore and not
keep the casuals involved, and nottoo casual and alienate the hardcore fans.
I mean it's a very fine line. I've done play by flay, I've
been in the booth as as colorcommentator and as a play by play guy,
and I'll be doing it in lessthan a week at the Tachi Palace
fights in Lamore. And it's it'snot easy. I understand that it's not
easy, but if you listen tomy style, I'm not doing stupid thing.

(01:23:50):
I'm not. I mean, that'sthat's the problem. I mean.
Goldberg is so kitchy with his hiscrutches if you will, I mean,
there's no reason he needs to gocoming up next, you know, and
his his nnunciation of everything. UFCwalterweight champion George Rush Saint Pierre, he
doesn't need to be doing. Imean, the cadence is terrible. Change

(01:24:13):
it up, you know. Imean, that's the thing. If you've
seen one Mike Oldberg broadcast of theUFC, that's how it is every single
time. And I know that theUltimate Fighting Championship ins if it is all
about uniformity, but there's a differencebetween uniformity and monotony. You know,
why don't you replace him? Thatwas a really good impression and apparently you're

(01:24:34):
good. We should totally lobby tohave you be the to take Mike Goldberg's
place. Why not, No,because I'll be be doing the same job.
I'll be going Rory McDonald takes onthe ultra tough Nate Diaz. Okay,
have you practiced this impersonation before?I've just been watching the UFC for
like ten years because it's really good, I know, I know, Yeah,

(01:24:57):
that's scary, man, and thatspeaks to U and exact seen.
I've seen a hundred UFC's yeah,you know, and and that's I mean,
it's bad. It's not good.It's not good. You know.
The worst part is is he hedoesn't change it ever. I mean,
that's the thing Jack and I onBeatown. He's my co host Monday,
once and Friday here on the SRN. I mean we were we were making

(01:25:18):
fun of it all week. Imean, that's just it's not going to
change ever. And you know,in a certain way, maybe I hate
it so much that I actually loveit. If we were doing another UFC
fight next and it wasn't coming upnext, if it was like coming up
next, I'd be like, whatwhat happened? And the other thing about

(01:25:39):
Mike Goldberg is that he's very interestedin collecting information from people. Uh Anderson
Silva. I think that he madesome mention to him being, you know,
having with Cerel Diabatte and him beinga K one champion, and he
got a lot of flak from that. My buddy Dave Walsh, he really
got on him for that, andhe actively seeks out people to figure stuff

(01:26:00):
out about K one and kickboxing.He seems to know a lot about boxing.
Apparently he rules jiu jitsu. Soyou know, I'm of the train
of thought, now that I actuallythink about it, that he just doesn't
get it. He can't put itall together. He came in too too
old into the game and he justcan't adapt and mentally piece it all together.
Yeah. I mean, I don'tknow, there's nothing worse than an

(01:26:21):
older gentleman trying to be hip,and it's probably I'm probably on the edge
of that. Because they put upDrake on the big screen and I don't.
I don't know who the hell Drakeis. So maybe I got one
foot foot in the non hip gravealready. Do you know who Drake is?
No? Yeah, okay, thenmaybe I don't feel so bad about
it. But yeah, I mean, I hope I'm never that guy.

(01:26:42):
And if I am that guy,someone needs to tell me. So I
wait, wait, wait, howold? How old are you again?
Twenty twenty seven? Are you kiddingme? Dude? You're fine? You
having to like thirty five to worryabout it? I think, yeah,
you're fine, don't worry about it. Okay, eight more years, if
my math is correct. Let's goback to the phones. We get Chiwan
in San Antonio joining us here andbe done for the bell. Chiwan,

(01:27:04):
how are you? Hey? Guys? Nice? Nice talk to you.
The reason they keep Goldberg around isbecause he's a company man, and no
matter what's happening in the fights,he will find some way to name the
sponsor in the middle. I've seenfights they're going back and forth, you
know, their own sponsored by coresD or this movie that movie. I'm
like, I get that. Iget that, Chiwan, but there's no
reason that when we see the tailof the tape he has to go everything

(01:27:28):
else, it's virtually identical, youknow, it's the same grace. Yeah,
but it's terrible. You can getswhat he does. But why don't
you say both men are twenty eightyears old and everything else is a wash?
You know, I mean, there'sno reason you gotta coming up next.
George Rush Saint Pierre takes on thedangerous Jake Shields is what he's known

(01:27:49):
about. Man. He got intothat group and that's what he does.
That's that's how you know it's aGoldberg production, I guess. But I
wanted to talk about the fights alittle bit. The main thing I've noticed
and see a lot of guys whofight with George Saint Pierre's campus that a
lot of other guys aren't doing isthey actually find specific things their opponent does,
and they kind of scanned the wholedivision and they look at things and

(01:28:13):
they addressed every weakness specifically. Likethe reason George works on this jab so
much. If he doesn't like whensomebody presses them his defensive head movement in
space that isn't really good. That'show he get caught by Sarah. He's
never gonna be good that he's nota fluid guy. So how do you
fix that? Get a sharp jaband get a good right hand behind it.
That'll in somebody because most people inm A can't move their heads.

(01:28:33):
They can't figure out angles, whichis the same thing that got them got
Jakes Fields in trouble. And Icalled you about this earlier this week and
I was telling you, Shields,if I get into the ground, if
I get them on top. Iwas like, the thing is, GSP
has terrible defensive habits when he movesbackwards, so he's gonna get that jab
distavage and he builds everything off thejab, the entire leg hit, the

(01:28:53):
low leg kick, the body kick, get it off the jab. If
you can find a way to catchit and come back, or move your
head and flip it, that's whathe shouldn't be working on the whole time.
You take what you throw off therhythm of his entire often, but
other guys they just figure out whatworks for them and they just use that
to keep going, Like Jake Shieldsomehow gets people down. Yeah that works
against Dan Henderson, Yeah that worksagainst Jason Miller. But how do you

(01:29:14):
figure it's going to work against GSP? Even Nada is doing the same thing
and is getting them beat against themore well rounded guys who can control control
where the fight takes place. Athink he might have nigdis if he ever
faces the guy who can wrestle,but he keeps getting around that in STRIKEE
where they let him call his ownshot. You know you understand what I'm
saying. Absolutely, Chiwanna. You'vebrought this up a couple of times.
You've called up and talked about strategy, and I think that you're you're definitely

(01:29:36):
one of the more vocal guys aboutthis and one of the more intelligent listeners
that we have that call in thatcan break down a fighter. I mean,
that's the thing. I think youcalled him one time and you said
that to somebody and someone said,oh, where do you train? Who
are you with? Am I correctingthat? Yeah? Yeah, And I
get that, And you're thinking itshouldn't really be that progressive when it comes

(01:29:57):
to competing at mixed martial arts inthis high of a level. I mean,
these guys are finding for hundreds ofthousands, if not millions of dollars
in revenue, and you know,some guys just wrestling their laurels of Oh
I'm a good b JJ guy.I know he's beat guys that are a
cookie cutter version of me. ButI'm going to be able to do something
that they didn't. I don't knowwhy that hasn't changed. I think it'll
change going forward. I mean that'swhy Greg Jackson is revered as one of

(01:30:21):
the best strategy or strategic gentleman inthe sport. I mean, because he
can change things like that, andhe can do things with George, and
George's is a cerebral fighter and avery smart fighter, and and you know,
I think he is very accurate insaying I'm going to recreate myself every
single time I go out there.Granted he doesn't change. I mean,

(01:30:41):
he's not going to come out andbe this fantastic you know us right,
But you know, short story,just I'm starting to interrupt. You're good.
Like I noticed, is like,are you basically a show with Eddie
Goldberg or Eddie Goldman? I thinkon the internet. Yeah, And actually
I send in this hole on thisbreakdown of what Randy needed to do to
be chucked the first time and afterthe fight, and he actually showed it

(01:31:03):
to him and he was like,well, who rose this was like a
trainer or somebody who knows in thething. He's like, not some guy
who listens to my show and callsin all the time, and he's like
most people don't pay attention to detail. It's always like, well I beat
this guy, so he can't beatme. Nobody who thinks about the little
variations, like because this guy canwrestle, that's why he landed that right
hook. Because this guy can fitoff in the back, that's why he
was able to get that submission.You don't have that skill set. You

(01:31:25):
can't say I'm better on the roundof John Fitch. You don't have John
Fitch's shin. That's why you can'tdo what John. You can't push the
face like John Fitch did to forcethe fight to get into a scramble to
open up that submission at tip,do you understand up? I mean,
I'm starting to interrupt your part.I'm fine with it, you know.
I think I think you're right.You're writing all aspects you've you've called the
shell. You're you're a smart MMAguy, You're a smart fan, and

(01:31:46):
I think you know strategy wise thatthe sport has still a little ways to
evolve Schwan, I appreciate the call. Thank you for calling in this.
Ey Um. That's the thing,John, You know, we talk about
strategy. There are some guys thatno matter what they're they're great at,
you know, the work to getbetter on things. But there are just
some guys out there that go,this is the kind of fighter I am.

(01:32:08):
I know that he's beating guys thatare like me. I'm just not
going to change it because he hasn'tbeat me yet. Does that make sense?
I mean, I think Schwann isgetting at something that the sport does
need to sort of mature about,and that's Hey, you know, Jake
Shields is not that much different thana guy like Josh Koscheck or a guy
like John Fitch. I need todo something that those guys didn't, and

(01:32:29):
he didn't do that. Yeah.With George Saint Pierre, I think it's
it has to do with being withGreg Greg Jackson, somebody who's able to
look at what George Saint Pierre hasand he does this really well. One
of the best examples I use iswith Melvin Gillard. He pinpoints that Melvin
Gillard is a very specific kind offighter and he doesn't try to change them

(01:32:50):
that much. And I think thathe's able to view the ceiling that they
have in respective departments like striking andgrappling and so on and so forth,
but he takes them to literally theiroptimal potential in each one of those things,
but he knows exactly what their limitationsare. I think that Greg Jackson
being able to pull out what whoguys really are as fighters and what they're

(01:33:12):
all about is the reason why hiscamp is so successful. And I think
that's the way he handles every singleguy in the corner. You know,
the way he talks to them.He knows his fighters not only on a
professional level as far as their skillsare are concerned, but that personal level
as well. I mean, heknows how to talk to every single one
of his guys, and not everysingle one of those guys he treats the
same in the corner. I thinkit's fantastic when he talks to Joe Stevenson.

(01:33:34):
You know, he sits Joe Stevensondown in the corner and goes,
all right, Joe Stevenson. Youknow that that won't work with a guy
like Lake Gueta. So however,if you ask us Caesar Gracie. He'll
tell you that Greg Jackson is nomore than a guy who who does scheduling.
You know, did you see thatinterview where he was literally jumping Greg

(01:33:55):
Jackson saying that he shouldn't he shouldn'treally call himself a coach, that the
best coaches are the guys who arebehind the scenes and not in the public
eye as much. You know.But I think as far as Greg Jackson's
concern, if he had his way, I don't think that he would be
in the public eye. He's aguy that's bashful. He doesn't really say
boisterous things in his interview. Youknow, when he does an interview,

(01:34:15):
I mean, he'll do it,but he doesn't seek the fame or the
attention by it. I think GregJackson's just a guy that people seek out
because he's personable, he'll talk,he can cut a good interview. But
really, if you look at GregJackson's interviews, he's really not saying anything
groundbreaking. There's not too many quotescoming out of Greg Jackson Greg Jackson interview,
and it's interesting because all of hisguys are not all of us guys.

(01:34:36):
But he's got John Jones at twooh five. He has George Saint
Pierre at one hundred and seventy pounds. It reminds me of you remember Pat
Milletitch back in the old UFC days, where it was maybe against his will,
but he was sort of forced inthe public light because the guys were
just so dominant, and we're runninghim up. Really, yeah, let's
go out twenty five miles east ofthe SRN studios down to Minneapolis at Marcus

(01:35:00):
on the phone, Marcus, howare you this fight night? Oh?
Not too bad man. That wasactually one of the I mean to split
the main event. I thought thecard itself was one of the best I
ever seen, so that was excellent. I mean, it was a big
night for the UFC, and Ithink for the most part, the card
delivered. The only thing that Italked about at the top of the show
was this was such a big event, had so much hype, a rounded
the fan Expo, the fifty fivethousand plus showing up the Roger Center and

(01:35:24):
all its glory, and then themain event didn't have that finishing punch that
I think everyone was really sort ofcraving. But that shouldn't take away from
the show. I mean, again, this was the UFC's biggest show,
and I think, you know,all things considered, the fights delivered.
Yeah, I mean I was almostsatisfied by the time Jose Aldo came out,
you know. I mean I hadseen so many great finishes by that

(01:35:45):
time that it didn't matter. No, absolutely, I agree. So but
he I have two points real quick. One is there was actually three kind
of techas on this car one,you know. So, um, I
think it's kind of interesting that,you know a lot of people say,
well, completely make some launchal oursbecause I have like wrestling, you know,

(01:36:08):
I got my muy taie, Igot you know, my jiu jitsu.
But I think some of those extradifferent disciplines that you don't see a
lot really make a huge difference.You know, Like you see people I
don't remember when Chris Leaman fought uhsect he I'm and he was like,
oh, you know, I defendedI've been training with wrestlers and I know

(01:36:30):
how to defend takedowns. And he'slike, I'm thinking that's a judo guy.
It's like totally different, you know, and then of course you get
thrown around and then you know,you see the quided guys, they're like
Oh, I've been training with boxers, you know, so I think some
of these different disciplines really throw peopleoff. And I'm pretty there right now
one of these days somebody to comein there with a wing chung and destroy
people in the clinch, you know. But um, the other plant I

(01:36:51):
was going to say was um that, you know, I really love cards
with with Bot studinary or commentating.I think that I think he's actually more
of a color commentator than Rogan.Is actually really good with the technical analysis
of the player to play, andGoldie just useless, you know, I

(01:37:13):
mean trying to say that, butI hear what you say, Hey,
Marcus, I appreciate the call.I think that let's let's be honest here.
Goldberg might be sort of clownish attimes, but he does serve a
purpose and it's hard, I mean, coming from a broadcasting background, it's
harder to do the live reads thathe does in a manner that he does.
It's hard to get from transitional pointA to point B, and he

(01:37:33):
does that very well. It's justeverything else in between what Marcus said about
Joe Rogan being more of the playby play man than the color commentator in
a way, he is, hedescribes the positions a little better. Um,
you know, but that said,I mean, a play by play
guy is supposed to say, Okay, look, Mark Comenick is now on
the guard. What should he dohere? Joe? And then Joe adds

(01:37:53):
the color and fills in the blanksand says, well, should try to
pass the guard here. He's he'sdoing well with punches, but you know,
all those legs are preventing most ofthat damage. He needs to try
to get around that. I mean, that's what a color guy does,
and that's what a play by playguy does. But yeah, I mean,
there are really things that I thinkare really bad about Mike Goldberg.
But you know, he's zufa's boy. He's been there for a very long

(01:38:15):
time. And that's one thing thatZUFA has been forever, and that's loyal
to their people that helped them out. If you remember John, I don't
know if you remember this, buta few years ago Vince McMahon threw a
ton of money at Mike Goldberg totake him away from the UFC and bring
him into the World Wrestling Entertainment businessas one of their play by flay guys,
just to sort of jab at theUltimate Fighting Championship and he turned it

(01:38:36):
down and he stayed with the UFC, turned out a big pay day.
I don't know what he's making now, but the payday for working for the
WWE was reported to be, youknow, in upwards of seven figures.
He turned that down to stay witha company, and he's going to be
rewarded for doing so. They've gotus back. There's no doubt about that.
And isn't that interesting He would havethrived in that situation. I absolutely

(01:38:58):
feel like he would be perfect forthe world of professional wrestling, where hyperbole
is the norm. You know,he'd be fantastic. That's the thing too,
if you look at Mike Goldberg,I don't think his excitement is very
sincere at all because it's all over. You know. We saw how he
turned that on when he did theEvan Dunham Shawan Shirk fight. What it
clearly wasn't over, and he wentfrom excited to it's oh no, it's

(01:39:21):
not, oh yeah, you know, so I mean that he definitely does
flip a switch. And the callerwho called maybe twenty minutes ago or something,
he made a very good point thatthere's a lot of product placement that's
going on. In tonight we Ithink we saw a new, a new
little product placement. It was aHarley Davidson prep point. Have you ever

(01:39:41):
seen that before? Oh? Yeah, multiple times. We actually gave away
a Harley Davidson prep point on theshirt. Agready a network. Wow,
I've never seen that before. Butit made me realize there's so much product
placement going on. And let's behonest. If there's one thing Mike Goldberg
is good at doing, it's goodat doing plugs for bud Light and Harley
Davidson and so on and so forth. Yeah, I mean, let's be
honest. I think bud Light stolethe Here we Go off of Michael.

(01:40:04):
Here we Go they did. AndYeah, what I've always wondered, maybe
you can give me some insight hereis what you know, all those voice
things that you're doing, do theyhave clips that they run or is it
him every single time? Oh?It's him every single time. Yeah,
then he's he's an artist then becausehe nails it. I honestly thought it

(01:40:25):
was some kind of a reproduction.Well, I mean he does all those
live reads coming up next. Imean, that's that's done. Like the
day before. But yeah, Imean it's him, it's not it's not
anything that recycled or anything. Imean it sounds recycled. And that's the
thing. I mean, they haveall that stuff for the UFC video game,
that's all on tape. You couldjust push buttons, yeah, I

(01:40:45):
mean you really could. When it'sThiago Silva, you just press a Thiago
Silva button. Thiago Silva versus Brandonthe truth there. You're freaking me out
at how good you are at this. Like I'm wondering if you actively practice
this in the shower every morning,you know, maybe maybe, Okay,
you'll never know. Eight seven sevennine six seven nine two four four is

(01:41:08):
the telephone number if you want toget on the air. I got a
few more minutes of calls here.You know, if you're just joining us,
you're maybe confused about the time theUFC moved their pay per view up
an hour, so be done.After the bell gets moved up an hour.
I still can't believe we got tosee every single fight. Do you
think this is something that continues,John, Because I know hardcore fans are
excited about it. Casual fans areeven excited about it. I mean literally,

(01:41:30):
the UFC put on a pretty goodamount of fights tonight, Looking at
a twelve in total, we gotto see every single one. Granted,
tonight was a big night, beingthat it was in front of fifty five
thousand people at the Rogers Center,is the biggest event in UFC history.
What happens for UFC thirty. Arewe gonna get every single fight again?
I think so. I'm I'm leaningback and forth on this because I appreciate

(01:41:56):
that the UFC is so focused ongiving their fans paramount access to their product.
The things that they're doing with likehow you can go to UFC dot
com and you can select different viewingangles. You know, it's unprecedented what
they're doing, and they're really progressivein that sense. But at the exact
same time, I feel like we'relosing a little bit of mystery where on
the previous pay per view cards,you know, you'd have to follow people

(01:42:18):
who were actually at the show andthey saw the prelimbs, and then you'd
wait for, you know, somefight to end in the first round and
you would always say, Wow,I heard that this prelimb was a good
fight. I wonder if they're goingto show this one. And what happened
tonight was that all of the thingsthat they showed over throughout the broadcast the
pay per view, we had alreadyseen. Yeah, yeah, I mean

(01:42:40):
it's uh, like I said,I think I saw that. I'van mentioned
var Trolley Valencia fight three times,so you know exactly. I'm not going
to complain. Yeah, it wasa brilliant embow or elbow. It was
the prototype, so I can't complain. But they were pushing their luck there.
The only thing that I thought wasa little monotonous, a little strange
was during the Facebook carm when theyhad nothing to fill. Uh, they

(01:43:02):
just showed the ring girls taking photoswith gentlemen Arianni and Chandela. They were
yeah, and I felt like abit of a voyer, I guess.
And I didn't. I didn't like. I didn't like one. My favorite
part of it is someone took apicture with Arianni wanted to put his arm
around her neck and she's just straightup no, don't do that. And

(01:43:23):
I thought that was fantastic. She'sprobably so used to that, like guy
is coming up to her expos Hey, hey, let me choke you for
this picture. Oh no, no, She's a pro with that by now
exactly, let's go back to thephones. I forget your name. You're
is it Jason in Detroit? Yes, sir, I'm actually in Toronto tho,
right now. I was at theshow in the five hundred level.

(01:43:43):
So the nose lea through. Ohwow, how much does that take it?
It was? It was I thinkit was one fifteen a piece.
Was it worth it? Dude?Dude? Definitely, I must say,
Um, it was it. Isaid on the floor in Destroit, right,
I like this seat better? See. Yeah, I prefer to be
elevated. I've been on the floora few times. Unless you're in Even

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if you're in press row, whichwe've been in the past. Um,
you know, you find yourself watchingthe screen. I mean, no matter
where I sit in a venue,whether it's a show like Mandalay Bay,
whether it's a hard rock where I'veI mean, I've been to the Ultimate
Fighter two finale the hard Rock whereit was standing room only. No matter
where you are, whether it's standingroom in front row or in the five

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hundred level like you are in,you're gonna find that screen and you're probably
gonna watch that screen all night.Definitely. Definitely. The one thing I
will say is it was it definitelywasn't sold out. I wasn't. I
mean I heard Montreal was great tothe fans and very enthusiastic. I was
not impressed with these fans at all. Every American was an expletive. They
boot our flag on multiple occasions,just not say not things that we would

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do. I'd strongly disagree. Idisagreed this. This is a country that
chanted USA for Trevor Frankly when hethought, uh was it was a Yuki
condo. Help me out with thatone. I don't know. I on
Bodog, Yeah, yeah, Imean, why why are you gonna change

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USA for South African? I meanI don't know. Granted I get that,
you know, maybe there were someembarrassing moments for the Canadian fans,
but somewhere in this country Americans willhave said something at an MMA event to
make your grandmother ashamed. Yeah,definitely, definitely. I just I didn't
understand why you why everybody who isn'tfrom your country is something terrible to be

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said? And I wasn't. Iwasn't impressed with USP at all. Although
he's definitely a great fighter. TheUFC was an amazing host of the entire
weekend, Like every everybody from theorganization was great. Every fighter I met,
I went to the XBO, everyfighter was amazing. Lines were ridiculous,

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right, but overall it was overallit was a great experience. I
would I'm gonna sitting the upper levelfor every show from now. I should
you save money and you get abetter view, exactly. I appreciate the
calling. Exactly. Good thing.Uh, some calls coming in from Toronto
tonight. How many events have youbeen to, John, Oh boy,
I've actually I've just been to basicallylocal ones. I've never been to a

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UFC. I wanted to go sobad when they came up to Seattle and
family came in town, and Iwas I was literally kicking myself the whole
entire week because I wasn't able togo. I promise you that when you
go to an event, you willfind yourself staring at the screen. Yeah,
it's just the screen is your friend. I mean, that's the thing.
I like going to events, andand I actually tweeted some pictures the

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last two or three Strikeforce events.I went to Crementialed I actually just sat
in the back media room in frontof the the flat screen TV because you
just see better. I just there'sno point if your seat is not fantastic,
Um, you might as well justgo out and sit in the back
and watch it. Just a fewlittle things, uh, finding out now

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from the press, friends, itlooks like Dana White saying next in line
for Jose Aldo is going to beprobably Chad Mendez and Lorenzo Fertida's hitting up
the fan saying, do you guyswant George Saint Pierre versus Anderson Silva or
do you want George Saint Pierre versusNick Diaz. I'd like to see Nick
Diaz personally, that's me. Ithink I think you and I are in

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the minority. There a lot ofpeople want to see the super fight,
but Nick Diaz holds a title umin a different promotion. Ran It's it's
all under the super banner, butyou know there's still some dissension there.
And if you can unify that titlewith the UFC's best Wealth White and Strikeforce's
best Wealth White, you know theyAnderson Silvil fight, in my opinion,
can wait. And just some thingsthat I've heard rumors nonetheless, but it

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is that UFC is planning on doingan event where the belts are combined.
It would be at New Year's whenthe eight month I guess limitation is up
again. Just a rumor, Butwouldn't that be nice Nick Diaz versus Saint
Pierre. It seems like such areasonable fight, you know, instead of
having George Saint Pierre basically throw awaynot everything that he's he's done, but

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you know, change weight classes altogether. Who knows how his body's going to
take the weight change. I mean, that's the thing. I don't think
there's much debate right now, Johnabout George Saint Pierre being the best wealth
away in the world and the historyof mixed martial arts. And clearly he's
the best wealth away right now,but is he the best wealth away in
the history of mixed martial arts.The only close competitor would be Matt Hughes.

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Matt Hughes, I think George SaintPierre has dethroned Matt Hughes as the
best wealth away in the world.But you know, a real nice staple
out of that would be defeating theonly other wealth away champion in the world
that matters, and that's Nick Diaz, and I think we're going to see
the Anderson Silva GSP fight at somepoint. If we're not going to see
that fight, we're gonna see GSPat least move to eighty five and make

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a run there to try to Imean, that's the thing. Legacy is
so important to George Saint Pierre,and he said that throughout his entire career.
I don't want to be known asjust the best wealth away in the
world. I want to be knownas the best mixed martial artist to ever
fight. If he defeats Nick Diazand goes on and makes a run at
one hundred and eighty five pounds,he can do that. I don't even

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think he needs to capture the titleat one hundred and eighty five pounds.
He just needs to maybe get acouple of wins and then he establishes himself
as an elite level fighter who is, you know, put in good work
at multiple weight divisions. I thinkGeorge Saint Pierre should fight Nick Diaz and
then consider one hundred and eighty fivepounds win or lose. Even if he
lost to Nick Diaz, I don'tthink recapturing the title would be really something

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that I would be interested in,maybe not even George Saint Pierre. I
think that if if you win loserdrawed to Nick Diaz, get that fight
in at one seventy, haven't beyour last two raw, and then move
up to eighty five and see whatyou can do Hi Middleway. But you
and I we say, let's giveus a George Saint Pierre versus Nick Diaz
as opposed to George Saint Piere versusSanders and Silva? Are we being idiots

(01:49:53):
about this? And I say thosewords with you know, kindly, because
it's like a perfect storm, right. George Saint Pierre he's cleaned out his
division, Anderson Silva he's cleaned outhis division. They both happened to be
neighbors to each other as far asweight classes go. It just seems like
everything is so right. And wouldthis ever ever happen again in our lifetimes?

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Yeah? But I mean, Iguess you can say that, but
I just really think that if you'regoing to give anyone a title fight,
you gotta at least make him putin some work. You gotta at least
have him have one fight at thatweight division. I mean, it's the
same thing. Look look at whathappened with Jake Shields when he came in
to the UFC. He had beenfinding him in a weight. He fought
Martin Cammon at Wealth Away. Itwas his first fight back in the division,

(01:50:35):
and he looked like crap, there'sno way he would have I don't
think that's fair. I don't thinkthat's fair because because Jake Shields, he
was so dominant for however many yearsin the welterweight division, and you know
he need that test, you needthat trial run before you get thrown in
against the best guy in the division. I mean, a guy slightly better

(01:50:55):
than Martin Cammon could have beat JakeShields that night. And then look at
what we're talking about. I mean, is George Saint Pierre even on this
card? Is there a Walter Waitefight that even makes sense for GSP if
if Jake Shields lost a Martin Cammon, I don't know, but yeah,
I get that. And isn't itweird that the challenger for Jake Shields is
a one hundred and seventy pound goldwas a guy who just took a split

(01:51:18):
decision over Martin Kampman. Isn't thatweird? It is. I mean,
it's uh, it's how the MMAcookie crumbles if you Yeah, but you
know all this hype around UFC onetwenty nine George Saint Pierre, it makes
you forget all of that. Youknow, it wouldn't have been, I
guess, a very good selling pointif the UFC set, you know,

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coming off of his dominant split decisionover Martin Kampman. You know, it
wouldn't have looked very good. No, absolutely not. And uh, it's
all about the cell job when itcomes to mixed martial arts. That pretty
much does it for us. John, I appreciate you coming on and this
was a lot of fun. Ihope to have you back. You're a
nice, nice refresher from Jordan Breenwhen he's not around, I'll say that,

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Hey, well Jordan's a good guythough, so so yeah, yeah,
you don't have to work with aman on a daily basis. Well,
hey, you know I respect that. You were awesome and thank you
all of our listeners for putting upwith us for two hours. Yeah,
tell the people how they can findyou. It's a you're you're a Twitter
or a tweeter if you will,right, Yeah, I'm a tweeter.
I'm a freelance guy do some writingfor MMAFA dot tv among some other sites.

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You can hit me up Twitter dotcom, Slash, John spelt Jo
and Luther MMA and yeah, justI'm just a huge fan. That's what
it basically boils down to. That'swhy we're in this game, John Luther,
I appreciate you joining me tonight.I'm beat tonight for the bell Hey
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