Episode 68 - Fraggle Rock The Animated Series / Crisp Crunch

In the 80s, Jim Henson could do no wrong. Fraggle Rock was a HUGE hit for HBO, so someone decided it would also make a great cartoon! Did it? You'll have to listen to find out. Speaking of knockoffs, Crisp Crunch was a Cap'n Crunch clone that spurred the crew to discuss other knockoff cereals that they rememeber fondly. How many of these did you see in your local grocery store?

Episode Transcript

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It's time to PLoP down in frontof the TV and the way Back Machine
with the bowl of your favorite cerealto relift the cartoons that made it worth
waken up early on the weekend.It's the Saturday Morning Supercast. Hello,

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and welcome to the Saturday Morning Supercast, where it's always Saturday morning and the
cereal bowl is always full. I'mJeff, I'm Corey, and I'm Olivia.
We've got a little bit of adifferent theme for the show this week,
folks. We're talking about Fraggle Rock, the animated series, and since
it was I won't call it aknockoff of the live action version, I

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thought it might be fun to discussknockoff cereals just in general, but one
in particular before we get to FraggleRock. The one I wanted to lead
the discussion off with is called CrispCrunch. Not Captain Crunch, but Crisp
crunch yep. This was introduced innineteen eighty eight as a bowl faced copycat

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of Captain Crunch. The original mascotwas a character named Chris, as indicated
by the name sewn onto the frontof his marching band style hat, and
in a later incarnation. There wasa new mascot, this jot character with
a headband and wristbands. Yep,and anybody who ever had it said it
tasted exactly like Captain Crunch, exceptmaybe not as good and so not exactly

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like Captain Crunch. Right, well, it was meant to be Captain Crunch,
but not as good. Yeah,And it's just odd that it was.
It was released by Ralston because they're, you know, a major.
It's not like it was, youknow, Malto Meal or some of these
others, like a store brand orsomething. It was actually a legit company
just producing a copycat. So Iobviously never had Crisp Crunch, and I'm

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assuming neither of you ever did,right Nope, nope, no, not
just because now if it was astore brand, there's a chance I might
have. But then also nobody inmy house was a Captain Crunch fan either,
so right double nope, Yeah,yep. And it wasn't a store

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brand. It was a Rolston.It was a name brand, so that
would not have crossed the crossed thethreshold of your of your home except on
special occasions. So it got meto thinking about other other either either store
brands or knockoffs, and there's acouple of articles that you can find online.

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The ones that made me laugh themost were Coco Nuggets, which was
a knockoff of Coco Pebbles, MarshmallowMagic, which was a knockoff of Lucky
Charms with a terrifying rabbit popping outof the hat. Right. But I
think my absolute favorite is a knockoffof tricks called Pranks by Best Choice.
And their mascot was like a foxwith like a a green like Domino masked.

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I think it reminded me of Coreyhelped me out or Olivia on South
Park? What was the superhero thatwas it Butters dressed up as or was
it Cartman? Butters did one?What was it Captain Chaos or something?
Captain that he was covered in tinfoil? Right was Cartman? What was the

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was it the weasel or the raccoon? I think it was the coon?
Yeah, yeah, he called himselfthe coon. That's what this reminds me
of. Okay, and then ofcourse Captain. We had a Crisp crunch
Cookie Crisp. There was one calledCookies spelled with a K at the beginning
of the word, and their mascotwas a terrifying clown. And then of

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course we have all sorts of fruitloops. Great Value has fruit spins.
But I think my other favorite onewas the knockoffs crisp picks by Hivy Foods
called Crispy Hexagons. There's truth andadvertising for you right there, right,
not even trying right, trying tospin it well. And then there was
Kunfruity Crisp, which I assume wasbecause the fruity pebbles kind of looked like

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confetti a little bit, maybe yeaand apple apple orbits. Let's not forget,
Oh no know what I like aboutthe box, aren't though? For
the Crispy Hexagons, It's like whenyou go if you've ever been into one
of those mall and they're always inkind of the dodgier shopping malls, those

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like perfume stores, where they dohave some actual real product, but they
also have a ton of knockoff stuff, right And a little tiny print it
says up in the top right underneaththe nutritional information, if you like Kellogg's
crisp Picks cereal, try this itis It's very um if you like um.

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If you were like Armani's I don'tknow fragrances, but okay, so
it's but it is. It's verylike Ralph Laurent Polo your love plaidlad is
probably better than Horsey. Yeah.So there was another article that that I

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found that they they they tested tastetested seven name brand cereals against their generic
versions, and I wanted to talkto you guys about this, especially Olivia,
since you have such experience with storebrand cereal. Is there any store
brand or knockoff cereal that you've triedthat you actually prefer to the name brand.
Oh honestly, I can't say thatthere is. This This makes me

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sound very um, you know,brand motivated, and I'm I'm not that
kind of person. But in generalI find that the name bring cereals,
Um, they just have I thinkbetter like stronger punched up flavors. No,
I agree, I agree, Corey. What about you? I mean,

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every now and then, if I'mtrying to pinch a penny, I'll
get like the generic cinnamon toast crunchand like the seven pound bag. Oh
yeah, just fine, But reallythat's the only one that I'll tempt the
fates with. You mean, bunchof cinnamon squares? Sure? Yeah,

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let's let's call it that. Well, in this article, there was a
there was a store brand of cinnamontoast crunch that they did try. It
was what was it? Oh,it was it was It was General Cinnamon
Toast Crunch versus Walmart's Great Value CinamonCrunch, and they said they were virtually
the same. Yeah, the onlydifference was the swirls on cinnamon toast crunch

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were a little more defined, butflavor wise they were pretty much the same.
You found that to be the case. I do, Yeah, Yeah,
I will say there is one thatI prefer um target their their market
pantry brand or I believe that's what'scalled their honey nut cheerios, which I
believe are called they're called honeytoasted osor something like that. I actually prefer

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to honey nut cheerios. And thisis going to surprise you. It's because
they're not quite as sweet. Okay, they don't have that glaze of sugar
on them that you have with witha honey nut. Now I listened.
I love honey nut cheerios, andif I have honey nut cheeros, I'm
happy. But when given the choice, I would take the toast. I
think I think that's honey nut toasteos or something. I think that's what

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they're called. Maybe, so yeah. Um Interestingly enough oatmeal squares, which
there I haven't found. Actually thereis a generic for it, but it's
not as good. But oatmeal squares, we may have talked about this on
that show for some reason, aremuch cheaper at Target than there are anywhere
else name brand. So well,there here's that. Now I have,

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you know, in my in myme and my salad days as it were.
You know, I have to havetried my share of the generic great
both great value and market pantry cerealsmostly great value. Um And, and
I have to agree with Olivia,there is there is something you know,
it's it's sort of like, umit's it's sort of like buying if if

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you're gonna buy frozen pizza, you'rebuying like Tony's Pizza versus like Red Baron
or Tombstone. You know, they'rejust it's pretty much the same, but
it's not quite right. Um Orif you buy any like great value frozen
food, it's you know, it'llget the job done, but it's the

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best comparison I saw. I wason This article was about frosted many weeks
versus Walmart's Great Value frosted shreaded wheat, and the frosted miniwheats are just a
little looser, they're not spun istight, and they have just more flavor
to them, whereas the Great Valueversion they're just flat and sweet. Okay,
I don't think that's kind of whereI'm at with this stuff. No,

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I get it. And all thisto say, like I still typically
tend to buy generic store brand orlike the multi meal value um cereal.
I'm pretty sure there's a box ofKroger brand frosted miniweats on my counter right
now. But I mean that's that'smore of just with the way, you

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know, grocery prices have increased,right If I look down in the cart
and see that, you know I'veprobably already passed, like the seventy five
or eighty dollar mark. Um,if there's a place where I can save
a couple of bucks, I'm goingto do it. So yeah, that's

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fair, that's fair. Enow,I've personally never seen a lot of these.
I've ever seen cocoa nuggets and marshmallowmagic in my storile. But there
are those I believe are Safe Waykitchen brands, and there's not safe ways
around here anymore. And I've neverseen Pranks that's a best choice hero,
which seems to be probably regional.But I do think it's hilarious missing out

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on the marshmallow magic because that isa very unsettling looking rabbit, isn't it?
If I okay, I'm not theonly one that's creeped out by that.
No, that's very Um, it'svery It's like the reefer madness rabbit.
Yeah, this is unsettling as thecookies clown to me if you scroll

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down on that page. Um yeah, yeah, So I have to say
I think I think probably Pranks ismy favorite of the knockoff names, but
I do like there's also one.There's a knockoff fruit loops called fruit Hoops
sure, which makes me laugh aswell. And apple Orbits is pretty good.
Do you guys have one that thatsort of tickles your funny bone or
is it not even something you've everthought about because you're not weird like me?

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Yeah, I never considered it,so have at it. But all
right, clear way too much timein the cereal aisle. Yeah, I
mean, like I can't I can'tsay that I have a favorite generic,
but I mean, yeah, likeI'm a fan of especially like the you

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know, twenty seven different varieties ofcheerious and the ones that are available in
a generic. I mean, there'sonly so many ways that you can try,
and you can try and spin thatinto some other name other than Oh's

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wheels, spins, circles, hoops. That's why. That's why it's so
brilliant, Luke Jesus brilliant. Yeah, that's the word i'd use. Alright,
So, so Corey, when whenyou are you said cinnamon toast crunches
is the one you buy probably themost frequently. Are there any others that

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you do get on a semi regularbasis that you can think of, of
the deneric tile or just no,that's that's it. That's the only one
I tookt fate with. Yeah,okay, I mean it's Olivia more variety
than sure, but no, he'sperfectly fine with the cinnamon toast crunch.
Okay, that's fair. And Olivia, you said you had some uh frosted

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shredded wheat at home. Yeah,that that's on the counter right now.
I have no problem buying knockoff mostthings. Really, Um, there's very
very few cereals that I would geton a name brand, and really that's

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moren't because they're not available in ageneric right, my spirit cereals um crackling
oak brand, got to get thatbrand name. Yeah, they don't even
you can barely find that name brand, much less a generic or a knockoff.
So um. And on occasion,um, there's a few random times

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I've treated myself to specific um flavorsof let's say, like cheerios or Special
K or one of those that hasa gazillion varieties that doesn't have a store
brand. But I'm feeling frisky andI want to try a specific configuration.
You know, I'll treat myself.Well, you have to every once in

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a while, right, treat yourself. I will say that I have tried
the great value Honey nut os whenwhen they did not have any honey any
brand name available. M not nearlyas good, sure, not awful,
they'll do it a pinch, butthey basically just taste like a slightly sweeter

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version of regular cheerios. And Imean, honestly, would you look at
it, You're maybe saving like twentycents off of a lot of these,
so you have to kind of figurewhat what is it you're pinching exactly.
You know this this article it's onTaste of Home, by the way,
and if case anybody wants to golook for it. They do talk about

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when they did the taste test,about how much you're saving, And I
think, like for the fruit loops, you're saving a dollar thirty a box.
For frosted flakes, you're saving adollar for the frost of many weeks,
it's like eighty cents. I meannot frest Cinematos cranks it's eighty cents
a box. Right, Raisin brandit is twenty five cents a box.
So yeah, the most I'm seeingis like a dollar seventy for frost of

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many weeks. Actually, no,I take that back. The honey bunches
of oats is three dollars higher thanthe Walmart brand almond crunchy honeyoats cereal.
My god, yeah, that's that'sthat's that's reasonable. You know, if
you're if you're buying it every weekor every other week, that's you know
that that can add up. Butagain, at the end of the day,
if you're not buying for a wholefamily. I don't know how much

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of difference it can make. Butagain, you know, I'm all for
you know, saving money where youcan sure well, and it's it's balancing
that against your entire cart too,right, because the buck here, buck
there when you're loading up a cart, um adds up quick. Unfortunately.

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Yeah. No, if you ifyou're buying fifty dollars worth of groceries and
you can save you know, sevenor eight or ten bucks on it,
that's that's that's significant, you know, And that's that's an easy way to
save. Yeah. Yeah, Sookay, well, there you have it,
folks. I would I would loveto hear what anybody else thinks if
you have, especially this one.I'm I'm kind of fascinated with like regional

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regional substitutes that we don't have likein Texas or in the South. So
anybody from different parts of the country, let us know what your what your
regional substitutes are, and if thereare any that you enjoy, we'd love
to hear about it. So we'lltake a short break and we'll be back
to discuss Fraggle Rock the Animated series. Okay, Fraggle Rock the Animated series.

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Corey I'm gonna lean a whole loton you for this show because I
know you're a big fan of allthings Muppet and all things sansome m Olivia,
Olivia, there's a cough button.Are you okay? You need some
water? No? I'm just feelingslightly slighted in my fandom by Jeff,

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not to slight your fandom, butI would like to remind you Kermit the
Frog is legally Corey's adopted brother,thank you. So he might have one
up on all of us in thatregard. Okay, okay, fine,
you you you proved your bona fidesin this area, Olivia when we talked

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about Muppet babies. So um,I will be leaning on you as well.
But I know Corey lives, breathes, and sleeps Muppets. That's true.
I sounded bad when I say itthat way. Yeah, I have
problems. Yeah. Thanks. Sothe show premiered in nineteen eighty seven.
Did either one of you see itwhen it was originally airing? Yes?

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Yes, okay, I didn't evenknow it existed until we're doing research to
find some topics for for the podcast. So um. So, so,
just to give folks on background,it aired on What Network NBC. Thank
You ed An NBC premiered on Septembertwelfth, and the last episode air for

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the first time on December fifth ofnineteen eighty seven. It ran for several
years after that, and it ranfrom nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety five on
the Disney Channel. But also thesame episodes. Yeah, there's the same
episodes over and over again. Mostlythere were two fifteen minute stories, but

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a few episodes presented a single thirtyminute plot. I did see one of
each. So tell me, I'llstart with Olivia, because I'm never I
was not a Rockefeller, so Ididn't have HBO as a kid, so
I never saw Fraggle Rock on aregular basis. I think I've seen maybe
two episodes of my entire life.So so, first of all, did

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you both watch the live action versionof Fraggle Rock when it was Eric?
Yes? Yes, Okay, soyou're both one up on me. So
I'll start with Olivia. Then,when this show started as a kid,
how did it compare to you tothe live action show? Did you like
it better or worse? About thesame? It was fine on its own

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and its own encapsulated product. Whenyou start comparing it to the live action,
it just it doesn't compare. Andthat's and that's not to say that
it's not a perfectly functional cartoon serieson its own, if it really,

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in most aspects it works just fine. But when you start comparing it to
the Jim Henson live action gold standard, UM, it just you're asking you're
asking for you know, you're you'reasking for trouble there, right, Corey?

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Did you have kind of the samereaction? What did you think when
it first started? Um? I'vealways viewed the animated show as a supplemental
to the puppeted version. UM,and I never really saw any lacking and
either one in comparison. You know, they both used music. The voice
actors work close enough to the puppetedversion that I was never distracting, and

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they weren't hung up by the limitationsof puppetry work with some of their stories,
which I always dug that one.That's fair. Yeah, that's that's
what the thing I was going toask, do you because my first thought
was why did we need this?And as I'm watching the show, it
feels like it is a little bitmore expanded, like they were able to
do things with the cartoon that they'renot able to do in the live action

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realm. Yep. But to thatregard, I kind of felt like and
maybe they did, and I justdidn't see them in the episodes that I
watched. I was a little disappointedthat they didn't venture out into what the
Fraggles called outer space, with theouter space, which is the world outside
of their you know there the wallthat they lived behind. Did either of

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you feel like that was a missedopportunity even as an adult or do you?
Are you okay with them key keepingit within their world since I guess
that was sort of the the premiseof the show, right, Yeah,
exactly. I was fine with themkeeping it the way it was, um,
and there was there was some dabblingwith uh kind of getting out to

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outer space. Um. One ofthe episodes I watched, thirteen, I
did my bookends thing that I sometimesdo at least when I've got time.
UM. So I watched one andthirteen out of the set and in the
second part or the second because thatthat was one episode thirteen, it's Wembley's

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trip to outer space. Yes,and so yeah, he he does some
outer spacing, um as a wayto recover from his case of appropriately the
Wembley's wimbliosis. Yes, yes,UM, so it did work. Yeah.

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Um, I would kind of piggybackingon what you were saying, Corey.
Um, it's a good point thatbeing animated, Um, you don't
have the same constraints of um environment. Um. I think they could be
a little bit more fluid with withchanging like where they would travel to,

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even just within their own kingdom forlack of a better word. For me
watching it as a kid, itworked for me as an adult. This
is now where I start to bemore picky and choosy, the cracks start

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to show in the storytelling. Yeah. Okay. Now have you gone back
recently and watched any of the originallive act episodes since they've been available?
Not in a while? Okay,Corey, what about you? Yes?
And I've watched the latest season onApple Plus. Okay, Well, first

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thing first, I haven't talked toyou. We haven't talked about this.
How do you like the new ones? Love it? Absolutely? Love it?
Yeah? And do the original episodeshold up for you? Yeah?
Still as well? Okay, becausethere was they never bothered trying to keep
it. I guess topical to um. You know current times and the news

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and such. It was always verycontained and you know, compassion, kindness,
teamwork is is working throughout all times. So it still holds up in
the lessons that they try and teachin it are still relevant, right,
Okay? What about feel about Moki'smakeover. I don't mind her being a

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little more hippie dippy. She wasalways kind of that way. Let's say,
how can she wait more hippie?She's she's got a little bit more
pop of color, I think thistime. Yeah, it's fine. I
think it's great. Even the newvoices are totally fine too. Okay,
so how does the animated show holdup for you? Did you have the
same issues with it that Olivia hadas far as looking back on it now?

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Yeah, just watching the aeries asan adult, is it working as
well? You know you said theanime, you said that the live action
show still works as well for you. Do you have the same experience with
this or is it a little Doesit leave a little bit to be desired
for you? Now? The onlything that leaves a little bit to be
desired is the art style. I'vefound it lazy in a lot of ways,

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especially when you have something like aHenson creation as your touchstone. A
lot of it was very flat inthe faces and the backgrounds as Saturday Morning
cartoons. Yeah, and the exactlythat's kind of what I chalked it up
to, is it being a SaturdayMorning cartoon and they had to knock these
things out quickly. But it wasnever to the point where it took me

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out of the action. It wasn'tas bad as some of the old Mahanna
barbarous stuff we watched from the seventies. Certainly, now, am I wrong?
Anytime they were in like the realworld, like in Pop's shop or
outside, were the backgrounds live action? Were those like actual photos they were
animated on top of Yeah, Idon't mean like rotoscope no, no,

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no, well no, the we'rethe backgrounds like were they were? They
animated against like a real photo.That's what it looked like to me.
I don't think so. But Ialso think that when you're doing real world
stuff, where the lines are alot cleaner and more geographically pleasing. Um,
I think there's not as much roomfor error in that. Okay,

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well, and that being a reallyspecific, defined um set piece, if
you will, I think that's alsoa lot easier to keep that on model.
Okay, that makes sense. ThatJust to me, I kept I
kept looking at it, I keptrunning it back. It looked especially when
in the first episode when they madehe made a met a doghouse for the
dog. Is Sprocket right, Yes, especially when we went outside in the

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backyard. It really to me lookedlike I was looking at a real yard.
Okay, interesting, Okay, SoCorey, you mentioned that they were
using different voice actors. We haveBob Bergen as Wimbley Fraggle, and Bob
Bergen has a long list. Hecurrently voices Porky Pig and Tweety. Yes,

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yes, well I think Bannatt doesas well, but yeah, I
think so. And the great TownsendColeman voiced Gobo Fraggle, along with wrench
Douser, Architect Duzer, and someadditional voices. And we know him from
the teenage Muntant Ninja Turtles when Gretzkylpro stars and everything. We talked about
him several times in the show.Barbara Goodson was Red Fraggle, as well

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as Wingnut, Douzer and several othersnow claimed to fame or most people know
her from she was on she wasRita Repulsa right on the Mighty Morkan Powerful.
Yeah, that's that's awesome. Andthen Mona Michael Laskin was Junior Gorg.
Mona Marshall was Moki and if youlook at a picture of Mona Marshall,
she could have been Mokey in reallife. Yeah. Yeah, Patty

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Paris was Mau Gorg. Rob Paulson, the Great Rob Calls Paulson was Boober,
as well as additional voices. PatrickPenny was Uncle Traveling Matt, Paul
Gorgon Flange Douzer. Stu Rosen wasstoryteller Fraggle. John Stevenson was Doc a
Filo and guns, and Dave Goleswas Uncle Traveling Matt. In the live
action version which we did Cantion.When the show originally aired, there were

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Uncle Traveling Matt live action rap aroundsyep, and that was a character I
forgotten about. Yeah, And theykind of treat um Uncle Traveling Matt on
this one like a little side sidethought, which I was kind of sad
about, but okay, whatever,Yeah, So why do you suppose you
We both mentioned that the voice hasworked for you, and they did.

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They sounded a lot like what Iremember the voices from the original series.
Why do you suppose they chose togo with other than the fact that the
professional voice actors and they know whatthey're doing, as opposed to the people
who voiced them in the in thelive action show. Do you have any
insight into that, Corey or Aliviayou either want to be money. Yeah,
I would assume. I would assumethat was a fiscal decision. You

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know, he was just cheaper tocast the voice actors. Yeah. From
everything that I've read, the puppeteersand voice actors from the original wanted a
little bit too much money, andso they decided to kind of undercut and
get these people like Rob Paulson,who at this time was, you know,
just about to do Ninja, Turtlesand a few other things, to

(28:55):
do it for way cheaper. Okay, all right, And I would assume
there are probably some scheduling conflicts too, because maybe yeah, I mean Muppet
from my understanding, um Muppet Showand Freckle Rock tapings, just because of

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the physical logistics of their sets andhow that worked, that could be a
fairly laborious process. So I couldsee that being an issue as well.
Right, and Fragile Rock the liveaction show I believe was still in production
at this time as well. Right, yep, yeah, oh yeah.
It ran five seasons. I didn'trealize it ran ninety six ups almost a

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hundred episodes. Well, it itended in eighty seven, so this was
I assume this was probably designed tokind of keep keep it going a little
bit. Possibly, yeah as well. Were there any voices for either one
of you? Were there any ofthese voice actors performances? It just didn't
work for you? Two different fromthe original. I think, was not

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as goobery and as nasally as theoriginal, But that was the only one
that just kind of stuck out forme. And he was the youngest Gorgon
that talked yeah, and I don'tjust baby talk basically. Yep, okay,
Yeah. I was surprised when Ifound out that Boober was Rob Polson
was not the original because it didsound a lot like Um the original voice.

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I don't I can't recall who thatvoice actor was. Yeah, Rob
did a good job for me.Um like the the Moki and the Red
in particular, I thought were prettydecent. Um Wembley I wish had been
a little bit closer and then umJohn Stevenson covering Doc was just I didn't

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think that was it was odd.Yeah, yeah, but well and on
the show we saw Doc right likein full like Madam and mupp and Babies.
It's only like the lower half onthe cartoon. But I thought the
live actually showed you saw you didyou didn't see all of them, yes
you did, okay, yeah,but on this one from Yeah, I

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thought that was such an odd choicethat for the cartoon. Maybe it was
like the animation style just wouldn't lenditself well to humans. I don't know.
But to only show Doc from thewaist down like Nanny, yeah,
I just weird. I assumed it'sprobably just kind of a branding thing,
like they're used to this from MuppetBaby, so we're gonna we're gonna do

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this now the same way. That'skind of ye, but it's not.
But it's you know what I mean, But you know it. It's part
of the Hints and family, right, but it is its own different product.
In the Hints and Animated universe,they only show a adult humans from
the from the knees down or something. Who knows, now, Jeff here

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is something interesting. Dave Goals playedBoober and the live action so I'm wondering
why they did not get Dave tojust simply reprise Boober because they already had
him, but he was only doingthe live action scenes as Uncle traveling Matt,
right, So they were probably filmingthose separately. Yeah, socause it

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had Patrick Penney as Uncle the animatedtraveling Matt right. Yeah, it sounds
to me like they were probably justboth separates. Is it possible that they
were recording this on the East Coastor the West Coast and the show was
the live action show was pretty inproduced on the East Coast. Yeah,
anything's possible. Yeah, that's kindof what I assumed. Who knows,

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sou Corey. Do you own thison DVD? Yeah? The most recent
version I bought was they did aSony did a twelve disc blue Rice set
of the live action show, andthen they tacked on the animated stuff at
the end. I remember that.Yeah, but the animated stuff does not
It looks like I guess YouTube quality. They didn't because it was kind of

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an afterthought, but I still gotit. You know, probably it looks
just as good as a DVD release. I'm sure, Yeah, pretty much.
Okay, So, Olivia, yousaid you watched the first and the
last episode, so you got youlike me, You got to see one
that was a one thirty minute showin two shorter shows, did you prefer

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one format over the other? Iwas really fined with both. I was
okay with the plot pacing on thethirty minute format. I was okay with
the pacing on the two fifteens.Um. Yeah, I can't really say

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one stood out to me over theother as as being a better format when
it looks like there were only whatt yeah, two full thirty minute episodes,
the first episode at number eight,the Great Fragile Freeze. So let's

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let's talk about that first episode.No Fraggle is an island, Corey,
I'm assuming you're familiar with it enough. Yes. This episode opens up Boober
is fed up because Fragile Rock istoo crowded and everybody keeps telling him to
relax and you know, calm down, blah blah blah blah. I kind
of think he has a point.He's trying to do his job. He's
doing everybody's laundry, and he's tryingto deliver the laundry and people keep just

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running over him and running over hislaundry and everything. I kind of think
he has a point, am Ialone in that? Yeah, he absolutely
does. He does. It's alsoin his character description that he is a
complainer, true and he dyes,he does complain a lot. But this
this being my my reintroduction to then, I'm thinking I think he's kind of
got a point here though. Yeah, everybody's real high energy even so,

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I mean, the Boober is themore even killed of the of the groom.
He was the one at the endof the credits that sings this says
down a fraggle rot right, Yeah, that's okay. He would he would
be the one that if you couldpossibly assign him your style energy to any
character, that would be him.Yeah, yeah, that I had that

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in my notes. He's sort ofthe e or the of the group.
Yeah, so okay. And inthis episode he wakes up a sleeping slurp
and it takes over Fraggle Rock becausethe rest of the Fraggles have moved away
because Boober has said it's too crowdedhere, and they say and they all
say, okay, well we're goingto move away. Then if that's what
you want Yeah, which, dude, howfully accommodating when they were just five
minutes ago telling him he needed tochill out. Yeah, so, right

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off the bat, I'm not reallyon board with the storytelling, but whatever,
I'm along for the writers for kidsor teaching them or whatever. It's
not made for our adult minds.True, true, Well, and it's
funny because if you go back andwatch frag Will Rock the live action show,
I feel like that sort of workson two levels, doesn't it if
I remember correctly? Yeah. Butthen Henson Puppets and Henson Animated are two

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different creatures completely because they're really heldby two different company mines. Right,
But Muppet Babies we talked about it, and Muppet Babies you can watch today
and it's it's still fun. Yeah. But also Muppet Babies had more than
thirteen episodes. They had a chanceto kind of grow with it too.
That's a good point. It's avery good point. Yeah, I'm assuming

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a completely different production staff. Yeah. So yeah, okay, and then,
um so the last episode, whichI did not watch, but we
can discuss it um is Fragile FullDay. When as we talked about Wimbley's
trip to Outer space. Um.In this one, Red gets caught up
in the practical jokes of Fragile foolsDay and one of her jokes backfires,

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leaving her in Moki trapped in theGorge's garden. And I'm assuming it's about
them having to get back home.And Moki is the little hippie dippy one,
right yep, So that seems likeit would be a good yinning yang
because Red is, you know,the sporty one. Red is a sporty
spice fraggle who is really high energyand likes diving. Apparently I guess,

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oh, yeah, she's a championdiver. Hm. So I'm assuming that
that that pairing works well in thisepisode. Do you both feel like?
Yeah? Absolutely? And I thinkin general that was something that they would
do in live action too, waswas put together of those contrasting pairs.

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Yeah, that you would, youwould get that. Yeah, just let's
put these guests together and see whathappens. Um, that's fun. And
then Wimbley stripped out of space.We talked about Wimbley comes down with a
case of Wimbley osis and the onlycure for it is a good scare.
And Wimbley was smaller than everybody else. Was he also younger. I don't
think there was ever an age tothem, but Wimbley was. He was

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the hypochondriac of the group. Okay, yeah, he kind of got on
my nerves. Um. I couldn'tI couldn't really eat. Yeah, maybe
if I were to cast um.I played this game. I've probably talked
about this before. I played thisgame with myself where I take something that
does not involve humans, but Itry to cast it with humans just as

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a mental exercise. And I alwayswant um my brain always wants Wimbley to
be Alan Tudeck. I can seethat absolutely because Walsh had a Wimbley shirt
on. He did, but healso he looks a little like Wimbley.
I can see it, especially thework. He doesn't resident any resident alien.

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Well even alan te has said thatthe shirt wasn't inspired by Wimbley.
So I think that's great. Yeah, no, that's great. Yeah that's
true. Okay, So hit us, hit us, Livia, who else
have you got cast as a fraggleum um moki because she's got that kind

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of misty hippie energy. Um.Like if this was the nineties, you
would want to say, like somekind of like, um, like Jenna
Elfman's circa Dharma and Greg kind ofenergy. Um, there's a particular actress

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that I'm trying to think of forher, and I just can't come up
with her name right now. Well, okay, Diane Keaton might work.
You don't think so, Lisa Kudrow, Yeah, yeah, that's true,
that's very true. Yep. Umwhat about Boober? That's Paul Booby?

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You think so? I do,Hey, Paul Giamatti will do uh you
know cell phone commercials is Albert Einstein. He'd do Boober in a heartbeat.
Absolutely, he would. Okay,well okay, yeah, yeah. Um.
I would also say, um,now this is this is kind of

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um. This is kind of adeep cut and it hearkens back to just
I've watched a lot of Nick atNight. Um um patient from Bob Newhargert.
Oh the um, I know you'retalking about he I can't think of

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the actor's name, but he's hada really deadpan delivery. Yeah, and
he was he was coming for likedaily sessions. Yes, you know he's
he's talking about Corey. I don'tit's been so long, Jack Riley,
you know him, Corey? Hedid he did guest spots on everything in
Spaceballs. He was the TV newsman. Okay, I got by man or

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Man Bites Recrats, he was Pickles. Well, yeah, he's one of
those guys. If you watched TVin the eighties, you saw him on
every sitcom. He's get this greatdeadpan delivery. You're thinking about him as
Boober. Yeah, yeah, that'sthat's better than Gmai. Yeah. I
again, my brain just crosses,you know, generations and eras and yeah,

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no, that's good. That's good, all right, and then uh,
you know, Red would have tobe some high energy like Emma Stone,
em A Stone. Yeah that's good. Well I like that. Yeah,
that could be fun. And thenthat leaves what Gobo And I don't
really remember anything about Gobo that stoodout as like a personality trait of his

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Chris seven, Yeah that's good.I'm coming across with that leadership energy.
Oh what about Uncle traveling, MattChristopher walking? Maybe yeah, I could
also see like sticking up Paul Giamattihere too. I was just thinking I

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was gonna say, yeah, thatmight actually be a good spot for Paul
Giamatti, but I didn't want tobring Yeah, go in here, somewhere.
That's all I'm saying. Okay,this is a little too meta because
we're we're casting a human with ahuman, but Doc, Doc would be
a muppet. Just just flip thescript. Yes, yes, that's a

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very true. Doc would be amuppet. That's that's perfect. Corey's got
it. Yeah, Doc is amuppet like yeah, yes, all right.
So, so is this something youwould recommend to people who either how
about okay? Would you recommend itto someone who watched it when it was
originally run as a kid and whomight want to revisit as an adult.

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Do you think they'll get something outof it? Yes? Yeah, yeah,
okay, And I think it's it'saged um much more gently than so
many other things that we discussed.What about for people like me though,
who didn't watch it the first timearound? And aren't that for me with
Fraggle Rock? I don't think Ihave as much appreciation for it as you

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as you guys do. I don'tthink so either. But at the same
time, this is so thirteen episodes, it's so easy to just digest really
quickly. Yeah, I would suggestgoing and watching the original series then check
this out, and then Corey I'massuming you would recommend the new series.
Yeah I would. I would gom live action, Live action, animated.

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Okay, watch both of those andthen and then hit the animated excellent.
Okay. Well there you have a, folks, there's there's a Corey
and Olivia both agree on that.So there's your your your expert opinion on
that. Both your equal expert opinions. Because they're both equally knowledgeable and fans

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of the Muppets and Fragile Rock.You're hurting one. One is not more
of a fan than the other,and anybody who says otherwise is a fool.
Yeah. Two, that's true.All right. So so that's fun.
So let's go eat some generic cerealand watch Fragile Rock, shall we.

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So they have a folks, we'dlove to hear your thoughts on it,
if you if you had seen theshow before and watch it again and
liked it, or if you didn't, I'd especially love you here what you
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I'm Jeff, I'm Corey, andI'm Olivia and it is almost on
for college sports. So why don'twe all go outside and play. I'm

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going to the upstairs TV and Iwant to see if we get HBO,
you will dance our cares away,worry for another day. Let the music
Playlet music play fraggle rock dancing.Too much of it for copyright reasons,
but anyway, that'll do. Folks. Thanks, we'll see you next tact.
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