September 11, 2025 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Thecoupel. This is doctor Keith Rose. Today is
a very somber day. I lost a good friend, a brother,
someone that impacted my life as well as millions of
other people around the world. Yesterday, Charlie Kirk was assassinated
(00:29):
doing his calling that I believe God created him for,
and when I first saw it, it shook me to
my core. I recognized the technical aspects of what an
assassination is and immediately started looking at it from a sterile,
(00:51):
clinical eye. But at the same time, there was something
in my spirit, something in my soul that just wrenched
and hurt. Like many of you, Charlie was my friend,
not my friend that I said hi to, but my
friend that I had had spent time with, broken bread with.
(01:12):
I was at his wedding. My wife and his wife
are friends, and I don't say that if for any
other reason, then I knew the measure of the man.
Yesterday we lost a national treasure, and I pray that
this podcast today will help people understand what I believe
(01:39):
actually happened, not that he was killed, but that he
served his purpose and fulfilled his assignment in his short
but incredibly impactful lifetime. Charlie's message will live on because
(02:02):
it is a message of morality. Not only was it
a message of morality, but it came from a man
who was a moral person and sold out to our
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Charlie always came from a
moral platform. He understood the verse, seek ye first the
(02:30):
Kingdom of God and his righteousness. And what Charlie understood
was the Kingdom of God is the patterns and biblical
patterns and principles of God. And he understood God's righteousness
was his moral righteousness. And so when you connect those
(02:51):
two things, you know that the Gospel has to be
morally righteous. And Charlie understood that an He always came
from a moral perspective. He was not judgmental, he was
not ugly, He did not attack people. He spoke truth,
and he brought light to a generation that many had
(03:15):
written off as dying. Charlie understood what the Bible taught.
He saw the patterns in the Bible. I know Charlie
saw the pattern of John the Baptist. When he came
to prepare the way for Christ. He preached repentance. He
(03:36):
brought every high thing low, he brought down everything that
raised itself up against God to a smooth, flat surface,
so that people could see Jesus when he came. They
could see the coming of the Lord. He made flat
the crooked morality of the time, because we know from
(04:02):
the Bible that when you sin, you can't see in
the spirit, you can't get checked in your spirit. And conversely,
everybody who rejected John the Baptist at that time rejected
Jesus when he came. But John was a forerunner preparing
the way because he wanted people to see the truth.
(04:27):
But many couldn't see Jesus because they did not work
on a moral frequency. Because Jesus came on a moral frequency.
Jesus came on a moral frequency, and we saw that
in the Sermon on the Mount because Moses in the
Old Testament gave the law, but when Jesus came, he
(04:54):
talked on that frequency. Because the law that Moses talked
about was morals, but it was about actions, and Jesus
came with morals about attitudes and thoughts. The Old Testament
law talked about the morals of what we see, but
(05:14):
Jesus came and talked about the morals of the heart,
the mind, the spirit, and he took the Ten Commandments
and put it into practical application because Jesus understood in
the Sermon on the Mount that it started with desires.
(05:35):
And that legacy that Christ, that Christ left and Christ
is still alive and continues to lead, was about morals.
Morals coming from a moral man transcends time and leaves legacy.
(05:57):
And that's what Charlie did. Charlie understood the scriptures. He
understood that the world was a mess, but if you
came from truth, from moral truth, you could break through
any deception. And the Kingdom of God. And on the
(06:24):
throne of God, he says he has the scepter of righteousness,
and the king on the throne with the scepter, that
was the king that said make it happen. So righteous
living makes it happen. And that's the legacy Charlie Kirk
left us and he applied it to the political arena,
(06:47):
but he didn't take politics and then add morality. He
came from a root base of morality in Jesus Christ
living the life that Christ called him to, and that
kind of moral authority lives on far after the person
(07:11):
is taken to heaven. There have been men that have
spoken about morals in the past, but they could never
have the authority. Bill Clinton is one of them. We
have many politicians that are like that. We have many
pastors that are like that. They're moral, they talk about morals,
and they get caught cheating. They have a moral message,
(07:31):
but then moral compromise takes the authority away from them
to speak. But Charlie didn't compromise. His message was consistent,
and he always gave the credit to his King, his
(07:54):
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. When I saw what happened
to Charlie, and I assumed immediately that he wasn't gonna
make it. After seeing the video, I just cried out
to God, and then I had this piece over me,
(08:19):
not a piece that my friend was gone, but the
piece of a man that I saw that lived a
life that transcended normal human behavior. Charlie, in a lot
of ways, was preparing the way for the next generation,
laying the road or the foundation of moral so that
(08:41):
they could see that his message would resonate because he
lived his message. I received countless phone calls and text
messages yesterday, and one person I'm very close to in particular,
said he has a good friend who doesn't know Charlie Kirk.
He from another country. He became a citizen here. But
(09:03):
he called his friend, called him and said, when Charlie died,
I cried more for him than a family member. And
that's not a one off. He cried. He was hurt
because he recognized the loss of a moral voice, a
voice that not only carried in words, but emulated in lifestyle.
(09:26):
In that kind of message transcends time. Before Jesus came,
the way had to be prepared. And I'm not equating
Charlie to Jesus, but I'm trying to bring some context,
and I pray it brings some peace to my generation,
(09:47):
to Charlie's generation, and generations before and generations to come.
In the Bible, before Jesus came, they had to have
a universal language. That was the Greek language. They called
Jews Hellenistic Jews because they spoke Greek. Because you needed
(10:09):
people that spoke the language, a similar language, so the
word of God could be spread. You had the Roman
roads built, not just to conquer nations, but so that
people could walk safely and spread the word of Jesus.
And Jesus had to wait before he came. God sent
(10:30):
him at the right time, at the right season. The
Bible calls it due season to bring the message forth,
and we hear a lot about that due season in
the scriptures. It was due season. That meant everything was
now in order for there to be an acceleration of
(10:53):
the Gospel. And so a guy like Charlie kirk Men
many times, someone that lives his life so committed to
the Savior, shows that it's the start of a due season. Now,
(11:15):
when I look at a guy like Charlie on paper,
I realize something. I know Charlie, I know he started
when he was eighteen years old. In his short years
from eighteen to thirty one, he had an organization he
built up of over three hundred employees and eighty one
million dollars in revenue last year. That is a life's
(11:37):
work for many people. And so you know his life
is over as far as he finished. But what Charlie
would tell you is build on what he did. And
I know his life has lit a flame of passion
among a whole group of young people that would have
(11:58):
never even thought of about it before. It breaks my
heart that Charlie's gone, but I know he is sitting
next to my father in heaven, next to the Lord
Jesus Christ, ruling and reigning. Because Charlie lived his life
(12:22):
every day in service of his King, and that's why
the world feels this shock wave. But Charlie is going
to live on in the memories and in the lives
of millions, and they will pass it on. He has
(12:42):
so many videos of his message that resonate to everyone.
And as Charlie moved on in his career, his videos
really were just the same message, dealt with different situations,
but they always came from a moral composed based in
Jesus Christ. He had so many conversations on abortion, on
(13:07):
the immorality that has decaying the family unit, in destroying
our nation. And he did it with grace, he did
it with love, He did it like Christ would on
the Sermon on the Mount. He did it with humility.
I mean, the situation could be different, but the outcome
was always going to be the same. So in a way,
(13:29):
you could say Charlie did a life's work in his
thirty one years and that was his message, and we
have a lifetime of videos. He is one of those
unique individuals that will affect people far beyond their death.
I would liken him to someone like Dietrich Bonhoeffer in
(13:50):
many ways. While he died young, you can still extract
the goodness and the message because they died Dietrich, right,
Charlie moral. Their message came from a moral person, and
those messages live on. Great leaders have died, but their
(14:19):
spirit continues in others. Now, Charlie's not Jesus, but when
Jesus died and rose again, his spirit went out. A
leader spirit goes out on thousands and they continue the
message of God, and they spread the image and the
patterns of God. And that's what Charlie Kirk did. The
(14:44):
image lives on. Now we miss Charlie, but his image
and likeness in Christ will continue, and we cannot let
that message die. And if I were to speak to
Charlie's friends, the people influenced by Charlie, his loved ones,
(15:07):
the folks at Turning Point USA, the students around the world,
I believe the message is if Charlie's life, patterns and
message were worth following when he was alive, then it's
worth following when he's been taken to heaven. If it
(15:34):
was worth following when he was here, it's worth following.
When he's not here, he's living in your memory. He's
living in the media, he's living in people's lives because
when he gave his message, it wasn't just about moral principles.
(15:57):
It came from a man who lived what he talked about.
He's living in your memory. Jesus told his disciples, go
therefore and do likewise. And that's what Charlie did. And
every generation produces someone like a Charlie Kirk, and a
(16:22):
lot of people did not realize how much of a
hero he actually was until the day he was no
longer with us. But what the left means for evil,
God will turn to his glory, and that's what Charlie
would want. Charlie would tell you go out and carry
(16:45):
the message. And Charlie would say, don't be exactly like me.
Use your personality, use your platform. Charlie would tell you
it's your turn. It's your turn. You can continue to
electrify young people. Charlie would say, don't be a clone
(17:05):
of Charlie Kirk. We need you to be you because
I can promise you Charlie wasn't anyone's clone. Charlie would say,
you be you, but carry the message, because Charlie's message
from his heart was not of Charlie Kirk, but was
of the moral righteousness and the Kingdom of God. So
(17:30):
if you want to emulate Charlie in a unique way,
do it by emulating his moral righteousness, so that your
message will affect generations. Turning Point USA was founded by
(17:52):
Charlie Kirk. Yet the passion and time Charlie Kirk put
in will not continue Turning Point us say what will
continue Turning Point USA is the moral life Charlie Kirk lived,
loving his wife, loving his children, being completely sold out
(18:13):
to Jesus Christ. And from that his life will flow
rivers of living water. And he would tell everyone it's
your turn, not just to say my message that God
gave me, not just to say what I say, living moral,
(18:36):
having moral principles. He would tell you live moral principles.
The Bible tells us a lot. It says that the
blood of martyrs is the seed of righteousness, and the
(18:59):
devil always makes a mistake killing people like Charlie Kirk.
The blood of martyrs is the seed of righteousness, and
I would encourage everyone to move forward. Charlie understood something
(19:23):
in it and he lived his life this way. He
understood that God not only saw our actions, but he
saw our heart, our mind, our soul, and the motivation
behind our actions. And when that motivation is based on
a life committed to Jesus Christ and his moral righteousness,
(19:49):
then it creates millions that are building the Kingdom of God.
I believe right now Charlie's sitting on a throne near
the king Heaven is a meritocracy. And I don't know
anyone that did it better than Charlie Kirk. And I
(20:13):
know I'll see my friend again someday, although my heart
aches that I don't have him here now. But Charlie
would tell you, don't use this to divide, don't use
this to accuse, blame, or criticize. Use this moment to
(20:37):
accelerate the life lived by Charlie Kirk, a moral righteous life,
so that your message will touch millions in the seed
of this martyr will continue to grow the righteousness in
(20:57):
our nation, because everyone knows that is the only way
we are going to keep our country. Charlie Kirk's body
is no longer with us, but his spirit will touch
generations for as long as I can see, and way
(21:20):
past the time I'll be here. It was an honor
to know Charlie, and I will tell you his wife
understood this, and his wife will continue to be a force.
But I call upon you, and I would tell you,
knowing Charlie so well, he would say, don't respond as
(21:42):
the world would. He would just simply look at you
and go, God call me home. Now it's your turn.
Welcome to Thecoupel. This is doctor Keith Rose. Today is
a very somber day. I lost a good friend, a brother,
someone that impacted my life as well as millions of
other people around the world. Yesterday, Charlie Kirk was assassinated
(00:29):
doing his calling that I believe God created him for,
and when I first saw it, it shook me to
my core. I recognized the technical aspects of what an
assassination is and immediately started looking at it from a sterile,
(00:51):
clinical eye. But at the same time, there was something
in my spirit, something in my soul that just wrenched
and hurt. Like many of you, Charlie was my friend,
not my friend that I said hi to, but my
friend that I had had spent time with, broken bread with.
(01:12):
I was at his wedding. My wife and his wife
are friends, and I don't say that if for any
other reason, then I knew the measure of the man.
Yesterday we lost a national treasure, and I pray that
this podcast today will help people understand what I believe
(01:39):
actually happened, not that he was killed, but that he
served his purpose and fulfilled his assignment in his short
but incredibly impactful lifetime. Charlie's message will live on because
(02:02):
it is a message of morality. Not only was it
a message of morality, but it came from a man
who was a moral person and sold out to our
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Charlie always came from a
moral platform. He understood the verse, seek ye first the
(02:30):
Kingdom of God and his righteousness. And what Charlie understood
was the Kingdom of God is the patterns and biblical
patterns and principles of God. And he understood God's righteousness
was his moral righteousness. And so when you connect those
(02:51):
two things, you know that the Gospel has to be
morally righteous. And Charlie understood that an He always came
from a moral perspective. He was not judgmental, he was
not ugly, He did not attack people. He spoke truth,
and he brought light to a generation that many had
(03:15):
written off as dying. Charlie understood what the Bible taught.
He saw the patterns in the Bible. I know Charlie
saw the pattern of John the Baptist. When he came
to prepare the way for Christ. He preached repentance. He
(03:36):
brought every high thing low, he brought down everything that
raised itself up against God to a smooth, flat surface,
so that people could see Jesus when he came. They
could see the coming of the Lord. He made flat
the crooked morality of the time, because we know from
(04:02):
the Bible that when you sin, you can't see in
the spirit, you can't get checked in your spirit. And conversely,
everybody who rejected John the Baptist at that time rejected
Jesus when he came. But John was a forerunner preparing
the way because he wanted people to see the truth.
(04:27):
But many couldn't see Jesus because they did not work
on a moral frequency. Because Jesus came on a moral frequency.
Jesus came on a moral frequency, and we saw that
in the Sermon on the Mount because Moses in the
Old Testament gave the law, but when Jesus came, he
(04:54):
talked on that frequency. Because the law that Moses talked
about was morals, but it was about actions, and Jesus
came with morals about attitudes and thoughts. The Old Testament
law talked about the morals of what we see, but
(05:14):
Jesus came and talked about the morals of the heart,
the mind, the spirit, and he took the Ten Commandments
and put it into practical application because Jesus understood in
the Sermon on the Mount that it started with desires.
(05:35):
And that legacy that Christ, that Christ left and Christ
is still alive and continues to lead, was about morals.
Morals coming from a moral man transcends time and leaves legacy.
(05:57):
And that's what Charlie did. Charlie understood the scriptures. He
understood that the world was a mess, but if you
came from truth, from moral truth, you could break through
any deception. And the Kingdom of God. And on the
(06:24):
throne of God, he says he has the scepter of righteousness,
and the king on the throne with the scepter, that
was the king that said make it happen. So righteous
living makes it happen. And that's the legacy Charlie Kirk
left us and he applied it to the political arena,
(06:47):
but he didn't take politics and then add morality. He
came from a root base of morality in Jesus Christ
living the life that Christ called him to, and that
kind of moral authority lives on far after the person
(07:11):
is taken to heaven. There have been men that have
spoken about morals in the past, but they could never
have the authority. Bill Clinton is one of them. We
have many politicians that are like that. We have many
pastors that are like that. They're moral, they talk about morals,
and they get caught cheating. They have a moral message,
(07:31):
but then moral compromise takes the authority away from them
to speak. But Charlie didn't compromise. His message was consistent,
and he always gave the credit to his King, his
(07:54):
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. When I saw what happened
to Charlie, and I assumed immediately that he wasn't gonna
make it. After seeing the video, I just cried out
to God, and then I had this piece over me,
(08:19):
not a piece that my friend was gone, but the
piece of a man that I saw that lived a
life that transcended normal human behavior. Charlie, in a lot
of ways, was preparing the way for the next generation,
laying the road or the foundation of moral so that
(08:41):
they could see that his message would resonate because he
lived his message. I received countless phone calls and text
messages yesterday, and one person I'm very close to in particular,
said he has a good friend who doesn't know Charlie Kirk.
He from another country. He became a citizen here. But
(09:03):
he called his friend, called him and said, when Charlie died,
I cried more for him than a family member. And
that's not a one off. He cried. He was hurt
because he recognized the loss of a moral voice, a
voice that not only carried in words, but emulated in lifestyle.
(09:26):
In that kind of message transcends time. Before Jesus came,
the way had to be prepared. And I'm not equating
Charlie to Jesus, but I'm trying to bring some context,
and I pray it brings some peace to my generation,
(09:47):
to Charlie's generation, and generations before and generations to come.
In the Bible, before Jesus came, they had to have
a universal language. That was the Greek language. They called
Jews Hellenistic Jews because they spoke Greek. Because you needed
(10:09):
people that spoke the language, a similar language, so the
word of God could be spread. You had the Roman
roads built, not just to conquer nations, but so that
people could walk safely and spread the word of Jesus.
And Jesus had to wait before he came. God sent
(10:30):
him at the right time, at the right season. The
Bible calls it due season to bring the message forth,
and we hear a lot about that due season in
the scriptures. It was due season. That meant everything was
now in order for there to be an acceleration of
(10:53):
the Gospel. And so a guy like Charlie kirk Men
many times, someone that lives his life so committed to
the Savior, shows that it's the start of a due season. Now,
(11:15):
when I look at a guy like Charlie on paper,
I realize something. I know Charlie, I know he started
when he was eighteen years old. In his short years
from eighteen to thirty one, he had an organization he
built up of over three hundred employees and eighty one
million dollars in revenue last year. That is a life's
(11:37):
work for many people. And so you know his life
is over as far as he finished. But what Charlie
would tell you is build on what he did. And
I know his life has lit a flame of passion
among a whole group of young people that would have
(11:58):
never even thought of about it before. It breaks my
heart that Charlie's gone, but I know he is sitting
next to my father in heaven, next to the Lord
Jesus Christ, ruling and reigning. Because Charlie lived his life
(12:22):
every day in service of his King, and that's why
the world feels this shock wave. But Charlie is going
to live on in the memories and in the lives
of millions, and they will pass it on. He has
(12:42):
so many videos of his message that resonate to everyone.
And as Charlie moved on in his career, his videos
really were just the same message, dealt with different situations,
but they always came from a moral composed based in
Jesus Christ. He had so many conversations on abortion, on
(13:07):
the immorality that has decaying the family unit, in destroying
our nation. And he did it with grace, he did
it with love, He did it like Christ would on
the Sermon on the Mount. He did it with humility.
I mean, the situation could be different, but the outcome
was always going to be the same. So in a way,
(13:29):
you could say Charlie did a life's work in his
thirty one years and that was his message, and we
have a lifetime of videos. He is one of those
unique individuals that will affect people far beyond their death.
I would liken him to someone like Dietrich Bonhoeffer in
(13:50):
many ways. While he died young, you can still extract
the goodness and the message because they died Dietrich, right,
Charlie moral. Their message came from a moral person, and
those messages live on. Great leaders have died, but their
(14:19):
spirit continues in others. Now, Charlie's not Jesus, but when
Jesus died and rose again, his spirit went out. A
leader spirit goes out on thousands and they continue the
message of God, and they spread the image and the
patterns of God. And that's what Charlie Kirk did. The
(14:44):
image lives on. Now we miss Charlie, but his image
and likeness in Christ will continue, and we cannot let
that message die. And if I were to speak to
Charlie's friends, the people influenced by Charlie, his loved ones,
(15:07):
the folks at Turning Point USA, the students around the world,
I believe the message is if Charlie's life, patterns and
message were worth following when he was alive, then it's
worth following when he's been taken to heaven. If it
(15:34):
was worth following when he was here, it's worth following.
When he's not here, he's living in your memory. He's
living in the media, he's living in people's lives because
when he gave his message, it wasn't just about moral principles.
(15:57):
It came from a man who lived what he talked about.
He's living in your memory. Jesus told his disciples, go
therefore and do likewise. And that's what Charlie did. And
every generation produces someone like a Charlie Kirk, and a
(16:22):
lot of people did not realize how much of a
hero he actually was until the day he was no
longer with us. But what the left means for evil,
God will turn to his glory, and that's what Charlie
would want. Charlie would tell you go out and carry
(16:45):
the message. And Charlie would say, don't be exactly like me.
Use your personality, use your platform. Charlie would tell you
it's your turn. It's your turn. You can continue to
electrify young people. Charlie would say, don't be a clone
(17:05):
of Charlie Kirk. We need you to be you because
I can promise you Charlie wasn't anyone's clone. Charlie would say,
you be you, but carry the message, because Charlie's message
from his heart was not of Charlie Kirk, but was
of the moral righteousness and the Kingdom of God. So
(17:30):
if you want to emulate Charlie in a unique way,
do it by emulating his moral righteousness, so that your
message will affect generations. Turning Point USA was founded by
(17:52):
Charlie Kirk. Yet the passion and time Charlie Kirk put
in will not continue Turning Point us say what will
continue Turning Point USA is the moral life Charlie Kirk lived,
loving his wife, loving his children, being completely sold out
(18:13):
to Jesus Christ. And from that his life will flow
rivers of living water. And he would tell everyone it's
your turn, not just to say my message that God
gave me, not just to say what I say, living moral,
(18:36):
having moral principles. He would tell you live moral principles.
The Bible tells us a lot. It says that the
blood of martyrs is the seed of righteousness, and the
(18:59):
devil always makes a mistake killing people like Charlie Kirk.
The blood of martyrs is the seed of righteousness, and
I would encourage everyone to move forward. Charlie understood something
(19:23):
in it and he lived his life this way. He
understood that God not only saw our actions, but he
saw our heart, our mind, our soul, and the motivation
behind our actions. And when that motivation is based on
a life committed to Jesus Christ and his moral righteousness,
(19:49):
then it creates millions that are building the Kingdom of God.
I believe right now Charlie's sitting on a throne near
the king Heaven is a meritocracy. And I don't know
anyone that did it better than Charlie Kirk. And I
(20:13):
know I'll see my friend again someday, although my heart
aches that I don't have him here now. But Charlie
would tell you, don't use this to divide, don't use
this to accuse, blame, or criticize. Use this moment to
(20:37):
accelerate the life lived by Charlie Kirk, a moral righteous life,
so that your message will touch millions in the seed
of this martyr will continue to grow the righteousness in
(20:57):
our nation, because everyone knows that is the only way
we are going to keep our country. Charlie Kirk's body
is no longer with us, but his spirit will touch
generations for as long as I can see, and way
(21:20):
past the time I'll be here. It was an honor
to know Charlie, and I will tell you his wife
understood this, and his wife will continue to be a force.
But I call upon you, and I would tell you,
knowing Charlie so well, he would say, don't respond as
(21:42):
the world would. He would just simply look at you
and go, God call me home. Now it's your turn.
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