September 27, 2025 • 31 mins
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In this episode, Dr. Keith Rose reflects on the passing of Charlie Kirk as an opportunity for spiritual renewal and revival in America. He argues that our nation's current state is due to a weak and disengaged church that fails to understand its role in interceding for individuals and the nation. Dr. Rose emphasizes the importance of recognizing our sins, confessing them. He cites 2 Corinthians 5:18-21 and Matthew 23 as examples of the need for humility and intercession. Drawing from biblical examples like Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and Ezra, Dr. Rose encourages listeners to reflect on their own hearts and consider how they can contribute to a revival in our nation. /// The Scalpel is proud to partner with Brickhouse Nutrition. Dr. Rose uses and highly recommends Field of Greens. Your purchase through this link supports The Scalpel Podcast. /// https://scalpeledge.com/brickhouse ---
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In this episode, Dr. Keith Rose reflects on the passing of Charlie Kirk as an opportunity for spiritual renewal and revival in America. He argues that our nation's current state is due to a weak and disengaged church that fails to understand its role in interceding for individuals and the nation. Dr. Rose emphasizes the importance of recognizing our sins, confessing them. He cites 2 Corinthians 5:18-21 and Matthew 23 as examples of the need for humility and intercession. Drawing from biblical examples like Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, and Ezra, Dr. Rose encourages listeners to reflect on their own hearts and consider how they can contribute to a revival in our nation. /// The Scalpel is proud to partner with Brickhouse Nutrition. Dr. Rose uses and highly recommends Field of Greens. Your purchase through this link supports The Scalpel Podcast. /// https://scalpeledge.com/brickhouse ---
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Speaker 3 (03:07):
Welcome to the Scalpel. This is doctor Keith Rose.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I have seen so many things happening lately, especially since
the passing of our dear friend and brother Charlie Kirk,
that at one point I was just crying out to God,
going what now? Because I think a lot of Americans
(03:32):
feel that way.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
What now?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
With the passing of Charlie Kirk. Vote Bocham Boone Cutler,
these are you know? Charlie is a dear friend. Boone
was a dear friend. I didn't know voting, but I've
watched his messages, I listened to him These were all
great men, standing for great things, and now they're with
(03:59):
our Savior. And I was talking with my wife the
other night, and we were thinking about a lot of
things that have happened recently, things that we know about,
some things I can't talk about. But I think the
overall posture in America today is what now because in
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the past I believe that we became a great nation
because we were a nation of virtue. At least that's
what our founders envisioned. We were established light on the
hill for all the world to see. And it was established,
and we have to look back to move forward. It
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was established by men and women of faith, and that
faith goes hand in hand with true freedom. And in
Europe and other countries, faith and freedom were always presented
as supposing forces. And our founders saw this and they
(05:04):
knew it. This virtue through faith. Faith, though, provided the
foundation for one of the greatest documents ever produced, our Constitution.
Our founders knew that when they wrote the Constitution, it
wasn't just their great insights, but it was their faith,
(05:30):
their relentless understanding of who God was and who they weren't.
And the Founders understood one thing. They understood there was
good and there was evil in the world. They understood
there is right and there is wrong. And they looked
at history and they knew it was replete with examples
(05:53):
of tyranny and societal destruction when any group, groups, foundation,
factions developed without true habits of the heart. Our founders
knew that, and they knew that the heart could only
be guided, could only be postured after one person, and
(06:18):
that was Jesus Christ. For some it was God of
the Jewish faith. But they knew they had to have
a heart posture about something bigger than themselves. So when
they formed our nation and wrote our founding documents, it
(06:38):
came from the proper heart posture. Charlie Kirk's funeral, just
a little over a week ago was the largest memorial
funeral ever in the.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
History of our nation.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Larger than John F. Kennedy, You're larger than Martin Luther
King Jr. It was the most televised event in the
history of our country, live viewed, and and I will
tell you I believe that it was that way, not
just because Charlie had an amazing message in words, but
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Charlie had a true heart posture that showed you Jesus Christ,
not just in his words, but in his heart, in
his everyday actions. Like me, and I'm sure a lot
of you have been looking at Charlie's videos, and every
time you see Charlie debate with someone, whether he agreed
(07:43):
with them or not, you see this grace, this peace
that can only come from.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The correct heart posture.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Someone who has sold out to Jesus Christ crucified, who
understand is that he is saved by grace. I watched Charlie.
I watched Charlie tell on himself and admit things that
he had repented from and was saved from, and he
did it in such a way, not with shame, but
(08:16):
with this childlike wonder of I was saved from this.
An example, Charlie was on a podcast that had some
adult performers on it, and Charlie readily admitted I had
a problem with pornography in the past, and he was
basically telling on himself and then also explaining how he
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was saved from it. And these girls were kind of
mocking him, and he showed them so much grace, and
by the end of it, you could tell they saw
Christ in Charlie, they saw his heart, and they kind
of stopped mocking, and he was so sincere. You can't
look at it any other way. It's not because Charlie
was such a great because he was. He truly was
(09:02):
one of the best I've ever known. But he had
a life that was sold out to Jesus Christ. And
he didn't have to tell you because you saw it
and every fiber of his being. Because Charlie had Christ
in his heart and he understood there is good.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
And evil in the world, there is right and wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yet he didn't come at it as us versus them,
but he came at it as someone who understood what
was happening. And he had such a heart posture that
he was able to speak truth, call out wrong and evil,
and do it in such a way that showed grace
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to the other person. And his message resignated and continues
to resignate, and will continue to resignate long after we
are gone. History is replete with examples of tyranny and
societal destruction when people don't understand true habits of the heart.
(10:13):
Churches and synagogues, along with other religious groups, provide for
poor people.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
And did so.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Much more in our early years as a nation because
they had the true habits of the heart. Because we
had true habits of the heart, our nations survived. Prior
to the Great Society, we had a growing economy, and
poverty was present, but it was handled in such a
way because people of faith mostly had charity and good works.
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Churches and synagogues along with other religious groups, provided for
the poor. Because this country was founded on those solid
habits of the heart, and when a problem arose or
a path was we drifted off course a little bit,
we could look at history and experience and draw from
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that in order to correct course and ensure our nation's future.
Because we could look back on the founding, we could
look back on the virtue, and we could correct course.
Everyone knew our founders were perfect people, but they did
have virtue, and they spoke about it not single bit,
but lived it and warned against losing it. The people
(11:37):
that came to our country to found the most prosperous
nation in the world, I believe early on had one
thing in common, and those were the habits of the heart.
They recognized that there were freedoms, and those of their
fellow men came from God, and it wasn't theirs to
give or take away. So the answer to our current
(11:58):
dilemma is not what now can our government do to
address every societal issue or cultural norm, but what we
should do based on our heart posture and what God
calls us to do. Because our country was founded on faith, freedom, virtue.
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It was not divided on issues, but united for the
desire for freedom. So fast forward to where we are today.
We have a nation that has been divided by inscrupulous politicians,
business people, groups, factions, all with one common denominator. They
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believed in themselves, They lost virtue, and a lot of
them have given into evil, and they are draining our country,
are draining our country of its wealth, of its identity.
(13:11):
They want you to have faith, but only faith in
a large, centralized government, not faith in a omnipotent God
that produces virtue, in the right heart posture, which gives
you freedom. Faith in government produces fear and loathing, and
it undermines the fabric of our nation. But faith in
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God springs hope, eternal and freedom.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But for the.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Past decades, or far too many years, I believe that
our nation has been motivated by fear, as many of
our past leaders have sought to enslave the American people
to the processes of an ever growing since government, and
this teutonic shift in our nation has caused rampant unrest
(14:05):
and community disorganization. The government grows and destroys fed freedoms.
When chaos and fear become our guiding principles, that's not
the DNA in our country and it's not our future.
Charlie knew this and he lived it, and I believe
there are others that feel this way as well.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But we have to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
We can't just wring our hands and say what now,
but we have to look back to move forward. We
have to understand that we have a responsibility to our
children and grandchildren. We have a responsibility to the world.
I believe to maintain that torture freedom and the fuel
in it is virtue and faith. First, Peter teaches us
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that there is an important purpose for being unified, and
what you're seeing to day in government and politics and
virtually every sector in our culture is a sort of division,
not of unity. But the Bible talks about believers being
like living stones, and the purpose of that structure is
(15:17):
to offer up a spiritual sacrifice that is accepted to God.
And in One Peter, the writer goes on to liken
the Redeemed in Christ, both jew and Nanju to the
Jewish priesthood. And I was looking at I was like,
what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
What did the priest model for us? But essentially, the
priests were intercessors. They made atonement back in the Old
Testament for the land. They stood in the gap Ezekiel
twenty two thirty between God and human beings and mediated
on behalf of the people who needed atonement for sin,
(16:00):
and the priest presented sacrifices for both the sin. Listen
to this of the nation and of the individuals. And
I know this is a long run for a short slide,
but I believe a lot of us are looking up
this nation and we know that we're under judgment, and
a lot of Christians are ringing their hands and going
(16:21):
what now. But we have history to look at, we
have the Bible to look at, we have the Old
Testomer of the Old Covenant, we have the New Testament
or the New Covenant. And didn't the reformers of our
past point out that the priesthood of all believers under
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the New Covenant or New Testament negate the need for
any human priesthood, And the answer to that is yes,
and it doesn't mean we don't have pastors. But it
did show us that there was not this major religious hierarchy,
but that Christ calls every believer to approach God personally
(17:07):
and intercede. We partially experienced salvation through faith in Christ alone,
and then we walked with God daily in conversation, which
includes interceding. Calvin Luther Knox, these were all men who
just cried out to God. And if you go further back,
(17:32):
they did it just like Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezra
and other great reformers described in our scriptures.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
And I believe Charlie Kirk was one of the more
recent reformers and our faith ones that interceded and cried
out not only for individuals but for the nation.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And the difference between us currently and the folks in
the Old Testament the ancient priests, is that back in
the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, where you had Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezra, Nehemiah,
they looked forward by faith to the atonement that the
Messiah would bring. But now we can look backwards two
(18:23):
thousand years to that same hinge point in history and
know that we no longer need the blood of animals
because we had the sacrifice of our savior, a spiritual sacrifice.
And once we realized that, we realized that Christ is
our high priest who lives to make intercession. And so
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what do we do now? We ask Christ to make intercession.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Not just for ourselves before the nation.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
The crisis in myself I've been looking at is what
I see inside our government and outside, not just the mismanagement,
but the lack of virtue and truth. But God calls
us to make a conscious choice. He wants us to
believe in Christ's atonement and then receive his indwelling presence
(19:20):
and turn aside from sin. That means to walk away
from sin and towards Him and to intercede not only
for ourselves our families, but for our nation. And if
we do that, I believe we can save our nation.
It's not going to be a lot, but it never
has been, and it doesn't take a lot. In the
(19:44):
Old Testament, restoration books demonstrated how believing remnant can set
in motion the healing of even a Listen to this divided,
shattered and dispossessed nation. But the most important thing in
Scripture was the heart attitude of the intercessor that prayed,
(20:06):
and how he identified because of our sins and the
iniquities of our fathers, it says in the scripture, And
Jerusalem and your people are a reproach to all of
those around us Daniel nine sixteen. He goes on to
say in Neemiah one six, I pray for you now
day and night, for the children of Israel, your servants,
(20:27):
and confess the sins of the children of Israel which
we have sinned against you. Both my father's house and
I have sinned. Humility and genuine brokenness released God's favor
on his people and those they pray for. And as
it says in James, he resists the proud, but gives
(20:49):
grace to the humble. I believe that the way a
nation heals, the nations around the world can heal, is
by those that believe, that have faith and are willing
(21:09):
to humble themselves and intercede. You would call it the
ministry of reconciliation. You see that in Second Corinthians five
eighteen to twenty one, calling each believer to one reach
(21:30):
with love to all humankind, and two intercede for all,
irrespective of their readiness to receive grace. I know Charlie
did that, and I know we're called to do that.
We're called to do that as we live in a
wounded world. We live through the Cold War. Now that's over,
(21:55):
and now you have a great transnational ideological migration across
the world because communism has collapsed. But you have a
fervor of religious fanaticism that is spreading. You have totalitarianism
that is spreading. You have socialism that is spreading and
(22:18):
trying to destroy nations around the world. And the one
nation that has always been that light for people to
see has been the United States. Yet that light is
now a mere flicker. And when we study human conflict,
(22:39):
and I've dealt with this a lot around the world,
you can actually see Satan's methods of getting one group
to abuse another is always rooted in hard headed collusion
of self righteous people within each group. They take some
truth and then they polarize the people with different sides
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of that truth.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Does that sound familiar?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
They tempt them to unrighteous judgment. Does that sound familiar?
And then watch them wound each other with rejection harsh
words and injustice, and the cycle seems endless since even
as two individuals can hurt each other through selfish and
unjust behavior, it is equally common for wounds to be
sustained by a nation or people within a nation, because
(23:27):
animosity and bitterness confesster unresolved for generations. And that can
only happen in this nation with the church that is
not engaged, that is weak, and that doesn't understand what
(23:48):
is happening. I'm seeing a revival come about since Charlie's passing,
but we need to call for a reconciliation ministry too,
for everyone. We need to recognize that there are divisions
in our nation, in our local state and national groups,
(24:13):
and around the world. And the only way we can
respond to these current and ancient wounds is a simple
answer that lies in the humility of Jesus Christ expressed
through his body the Church. We need to confess who
(24:39):
he is and state the truth. We need to repent
and turn from unloving to loving actions. We need reconciliation,
which involves forgiveness and pursuing intimate fellowship with people we
previously considered our enemies, and then restitution. And I'm talking
about the church in particular, and this all starts with
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the heart. We can either organize as a body around
reconciliation or divide over self righteousness and virtue. Singly, true
virtue is signaled in reconciliation. It is a result, not
(25:25):
a message, and that is what we need to see today.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
We have the perfect example in scripture. We have the
example of Jesus.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
When he saw his people as a culture with a
particular history. He wept over Israel's sins and wounds. He
identified with them. He was absolutely rooted in their story.
Introducing him and Matthew, it reveals indeed he was totally
engaged with individuals, both with their immediate personal needs and
(25:58):
with their eternal salve. But he also dealt in terms
listening to this a corporate national issues. The most striking
example of Jesus dealing with corporate entity among his people
is found in Matthew twenty three, where it says, woe
to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you build up
the tomb of the prophets and adorn the monuments of
the righteousness, and say quote, if I had lived in
(26:21):
the days of our fathers, we would not have been
partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Therefore
you are witnesses against your souls, that your sons of
those who murdered.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
The prophets fill up.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Then the measure of your father's guilt. What Jesus was
saying is he was ascribing unresolved corporate guilt to a
multi generational vocational caste, the Scribes and Pharisees. And he
indicated that proof of their unresolved guilt was that they
took a position of self righteousness rather than humbly identas
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to find with them. Because of all this, the opportunity
for cleansing was lost, and the weight of unrepented sin
rested upon their shoulders.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
But there was a contrast to that.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And we saw that in next seven and the example
of Stephen. He was a great intercessor, similar to the
example of Nehemiah, Ezra, Daniel, and Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Means at least I spoke.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
About Stephen totally identified with his people, his group, even
as some of their number engaged in killing him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
What did he say?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
He did not say, you Jews, but rather he said,
our fathers would not obey. Stephen remained constant in his
spirit of humility until falling on his knees as stone
rained down upon him, when he cried out to God
and said, Lord, do not charge them with this sin.
And those were the words he uttered before he died.
(28:09):
If you want to save this nation, we have to
start living up to our past moral underpinnings, the ones
we say weren't any good, but by their fruit they
are known. And by the great success of the early
times in our nation we came into great prosperity. Where
(28:35):
we are now and what do we do now depends
on who lives inside of us. And what we do
and how it will be effective depends on the posture
of our heart as we go forward. Charlie is a
modern day martyr like Stephen, and I can promise you
(29:02):
I know without a doubt Charlie, had he not died instantly,
would have said, Father, forgiven, because that was his heart posture.
And you saw that as his wife at his memorial
forgave those that killed him a man. So if you
(29:23):
want to save America, start with yourself. Start with hitting
your knees, repenting, and getting your heart posture correctly. Because
what now now we start the revival? Now we start
to reclaim the moral high ground in our nation.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
But you do it with yourself first.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Then you do it by interceding and becoming a priest,
interceding for this nation in the world.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
That's what I've been doing, and I'll tell you I'm
seeing change it.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I believe our best days are ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
But it's going to take.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
A death to ourselves to bring life to a society
that has turned its back.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
On truth.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Because I think, really that's the only way we can
start to build the foundation.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Keep our freedom wrong, cutting down.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
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This is doctor Rose coming to you with a request.
We've done this podcast now for I believe eight years.
It's hard to believe, and we're at a time where
I would like to spend more time with this podcast,
and I would like my listeners if you would to
support it. The way you can support it and support
yourselves is to go to life Wave l I f
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patches that I believe are amazing. I was using life
Wave patches way before I decided to bring them on
as a sponsor. It truly changed my life. I'm speaking
truth to you. It changed a shoulder that I didn't
(00:45):
have full range of motion and had pain that woke
me up at night to a shoulder that now has
full range of motion and little or no pain. There's
several different kind of patches in their design to be
placed on your body and they reflect the light that
comes from your body back and increase your natural peptides.
You don't have to take ivs, you don't have to
(01:06):
take pills. It increases your natural peptides and there are
hundreds of studies that show how well these patches work.
In future episodes, I'll talk more about the different patches
I have. The episode prior to this, we went into
great detail about life Wave, but I can tell you
they work for pain. They work to increase your stem cells.
They work for healing. They work for vision, believe it
(01:30):
or not, they work for night sweats ladies. They work
to make your immune system better. It's not a medical device.
It's a patch that increases your natural peptides. It's a
billion dollar company, so I believe they are doing something right.
And I've had privy to see a lot of their
studies and I'm just getting started with these things. Lifewave
(01:52):
dot com, l I F E Wave dot com, slash
Rose MD. Order the X thirty nine patch. That's the
baseline patch that will increase the peptides, that will increase
your stem cells, help you just basically recover faster. I've
noticed I've recovered faster. I use the energy Wave patches.
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I have more energy. I use the Carnosine patch because
I've seen my shoulder I've watched it heal using that patch.
But more importantly, it's gonna help you and you get
a discount if you go to the site that they've
set up for me. If you have any questions, kfr
at Scalpeledge dot com. If you have questions on the
patches or anything else, Everett reviews them and passes them
(02:36):
on to me. And as a nation and as a
group of believers, let's keep freedom rolling.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The Scalpel with Doctor Keith Rose cutting down to the
truth through history and experience. Subscribe to the Scalpel wherever
you listen to podcasts, follow us on Instagram at the
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Speaker 3 (03:07):
Welcome to the Scalpel. This is doctor Keith Rose.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I have seen so many things happening lately, especially since
the passing of our dear friend and brother Charlie Kirk,
that at one point I was just crying out to God,
going what now? Because I think a lot of Americans
(03:32):
feel that way.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
What now?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
With the passing of Charlie Kirk. Vote Bocham Boone Cutler,
these are you know? Charlie is a dear friend. Boone
was a dear friend. I didn't know voting, but I've
watched his messages, I listened to him These were all
great men, standing for great things, and now they're with
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our Savior. And I was talking with my wife the
other night, and we were thinking about a lot of
things that have happened recently, things that we know about,
some things I can't talk about. But I think the
overall posture in America today is what now because in
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the past I believe that we became a great nation
because we were a nation of virtue. At least that's
what our founders envisioned. We were established light on the
hill for all the world to see. And it was established,
and we have to look back to move forward. It
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was established by men and women of faith, and that
faith goes hand in hand with true freedom. And in
Europe and other countries, faith and freedom were always presented
as supposing forces. And our founders saw this and they
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knew it. This virtue through faith. Faith, though, provided the
foundation for one of the greatest documents ever produced, our Constitution.
Our founders knew that when they wrote the Constitution, it
wasn't just their great insights, but it was their faith,
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their relentless understanding of who God was and who they weren't.
And the Founders understood one thing. They understood there was
good and there was evil in the world. They understood
there is right and there is wrong. And they looked
at history and they knew it was replete with examples
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of tyranny and societal destruction when any group, groups, foundation,
factions developed without true habits of the heart. Our founders
knew that, and they knew that the heart could only
be guided, could only be postured after one person, and
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that was Jesus Christ. For some it was God of
the Jewish faith. But they knew they had to have
a heart posture about something bigger than themselves. So when
they formed our nation and wrote our founding documents, it
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came from the proper heart posture. Charlie Kirk's funeral, just
a little over a week ago was the largest memorial
funeral ever in the.
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History of our nation.
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Larger than John F. Kennedy, You're larger than Martin Luther
King Jr. It was the most televised event in the
history of our country, live viewed, and and I will
tell you I believe that it was that way, not
just because Charlie had an amazing message in words, but
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Charlie had a true heart posture that showed you Jesus Christ,
not just in his words, but in his heart, in
his everyday actions. Like me, and I'm sure a lot
of you have been looking at Charlie's videos, and every
time you see Charlie debate with someone, whether he agreed
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with them or not, you see this grace, this peace
that can only come from.
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The correct heart posture.
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Someone who has sold out to Jesus Christ crucified, who
understand is that he is saved by grace. I watched Charlie.
I watched Charlie tell on himself and admit things that
he had repented from and was saved from, and he
did it in such a way, not with shame, but
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with this childlike wonder of I was saved from this.
An example, Charlie was on a podcast that had some
adult performers on it, and Charlie readily admitted I had
a problem with pornography in the past, and he was
basically telling on himself and then also explaining how he
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was saved from it. And these girls were kind of
mocking him, and he showed them so much grace, and
by the end of it, you could tell they saw
Christ in Charlie, they saw his heart, and they kind
of stopped mocking, and he was so sincere. You can't
look at it any other way. It's not because Charlie
was such a great because he was. He truly was
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one of the best I've ever known. But he had
a life that was sold out to Jesus Christ. And
he didn't have to tell you because you saw it
and every fiber of his being. Because Charlie had Christ
in his heart and he understood there is good.
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And evil in the world, there is right and wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yet he didn't come at it as us versus them,
but he came at it as someone who understood what
was happening. And he had such a heart posture that
he was able to speak truth, call out wrong and evil,
and do it in such a way that showed grace
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to the other person. And his message resignated and continues
to resignate, and will continue to resignate long after we
are gone. History is replete with examples of tyranny and
societal destruction when people don't understand true habits of the heart.
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Churches and synagogues, along with other religious groups, provide for
poor people.
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And did so.
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Much more in our early years as a nation because
they had the true habits of the heart. Because we
had true habits of the heart, our nations survived. Prior
to the Great Society, we had a growing economy, and
poverty was present, but it was handled in such a
way because people of faith mostly had charity and good works.
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Churches and synagogues along with other religious groups, provided for
the poor. Because this country was founded on those solid
habits of the heart, and when a problem arose or
a path was we drifted off course a little bit,
we could look at history and experience and draw from
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that in order to correct course and ensure our nation's future.
Because we could look back on the founding, we could
look back on the virtue, and we could correct course.
Everyone knew our founders were perfect people, but they did
have virtue, and they spoke about it not single bit,
but lived it and warned against losing it. The people
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that came to our country to found the most prosperous
nation in the world, I believe early on had one
thing in common, and those were the habits of the heart.
They recognized that there were freedoms, and those of their
fellow men came from God, and it wasn't theirs to
give or take away. So the answer to our current
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dilemma is not what now can our government do to
address every societal issue or cultural norm, but what we
should do based on our heart posture and what God
calls us to do. Because our country was founded on faith, freedom, virtue.
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It was not divided on issues, but united for the
desire for freedom. So fast forward to where we are today.
We have a nation that has been divided by inscrupulous politicians,
business people, groups, factions, all with one common denominator. They
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believed in themselves, They lost virtue, and a lot of
them have given into evil, and they are draining our country,
are draining our country of its wealth, of its identity.
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They want you to have faith, but only faith in
a large, centralized government, not faith in a omnipotent God
that produces virtue, in the right heart posture, which gives
you freedom. Faith in government produces fear and loathing, and
it undermines the fabric of our nation. But faith in
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God springs hope, eternal and freedom.
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But for the.
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Past decades, or far too many years, I believe that
our nation has been motivated by fear, as many of
our past leaders have sought to enslave the American people
to the processes of an ever growing since government, and
this teutonic shift in our nation has caused rampant unrest
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and community disorganization. The government grows and destroys fed freedoms.
When chaos and fear become our guiding principles, that's not
the DNA in our country and it's not our future.
Charlie knew this and he lived it, and I believe
there are others that feel this way as well.
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But we have to do something about it.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
We can't just wring our hands and say what now,
but we have to look back to move forward. We
have to understand that we have a responsibility to our
children and grandchildren. We have a responsibility to the world.
I believe to maintain that torture freedom and the fuel
in it is virtue and faith. First, Peter teaches us
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that there is an important purpose for being unified, and
what you're seeing to day in government and politics and
virtually every sector in our culture is a sort of division,
not of unity. But the Bible talks about believers being
like living stones, and the purpose of that structure is
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to offer up a spiritual sacrifice that is accepted to God.
And in One Peter, the writer goes on to liken
the Redeemed in Christ, both jew and Nanju to the
Jewish priesthood. And I was looking at I was like,
what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
What did the priest model for us? But essentially, the
priests were intercessors. They made atonement back in the Old
Testament for the land. They stood in the gap Ezekiel
twenty two thirty between God and human beings and mediated
on behalf of the people who needed atonement for sin,
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and the priest presented sacrifices for both the sin. Listen
to this of the nation and of the individuals. And
I know this is a long run for a short slide,
but I believe a lot of us are looking up
this nation and we know that we're under judgment, and
a lot of Christians are ringing their hands and going
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what now. But we have history to look at, we
have the Bible to look at, we have the Old
Testomer of the Old Covenant, we have the New Testament
or the New Covenant. And didn't the reformers of our
past point out that the priesthood of all believers under
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the New Covenant or New Testament negate the need for
any human priesthood, And the answer to that is yes,
and it doesn't mean we don't have pastors. But it
did show us that there was not this major religious hierarchy,
but that Christ calls every believer to approach God personally
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and intercede. We partially experienced salvation through faith in Christ alone,
and then we walked with God daily in conversation, which
includes interceding. Calvin Luther Knox, these were all men who
just cried out to God. And if you go further back,
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they did it just like Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Daniel and Ezra
and other great reformers described in our scriptures.
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And I believe Charlie Kirk was one of the more
recent reformers and our faith ones that interceded and cried
out not only for individuals but for the nation.
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And the difference between us currently and the folks in
the Old Testament the ancient priests, is that back in
the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, where you had Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezra, Nehemiah,
they looked forward by faith to the atonement that the
Messiah would bring. But now we can look backwards two
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thousand years to that same hinge point in history and
know that we no longer need the blood of animals
because we had the sacrifice of our savior, a spiritual sacrifice.
And once we realized that, we realized that Christ is
our high priest who lives to make intercession. And so
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what do we do now? We ask Christ to make intercession.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Not just for ourselves before the nation.
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The crisis in myself I've been looking at is what
I see inside our government and outside, not just the mismanagement,
but the lack of virtue and truth. But God calls
us to make a conscious choice. He wants us to
believe in Christ's atonement and then receive his indwelling presence
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and turn aside from sin. That means to walk away
from sin and towards Him and to intercede not only
for ourselves our families, but for our nation. And if
we do that, I believe we can save our nation.
It's not going to be a lot, but it never
has been, and it doesn't take a lot. In the
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Old Testament, restoration books demonstrated how believing remnant can set
in motion the healing of even a Listen to this divided,
shattered and dispossessed nation. But the most important thing in
Scripture was the heart attitude of the intercessor that prayed,
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and how he identified because of our sins and the
iniquities of our fathers, it says in the scripture, And
Jerusalem and your people are a reproach to all of
those around us Daniel nine sixteen. He goes on to
say in Neemiah one six, I pray for you now
day and night, for the children of Israel, your servants,
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and confess the sins of the children of Israel which
we have sinned against you. Both my father's house and
I have sinned. Humility and genuine brokenness released God's favor
on his people and those they pray for. And as
it says in James, he resists the proud, but gives
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grace to the humble. I believe that the way a
nation heals, the nations around the world can heal, is
by those that believe, that have faith and are willing
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to humble themselves and intercede. You would call it the
ministry of reconciliation. You see that in Second Corinthians five
eighteen to twenty one, calling each believer to one reach
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with love to all humankind, and two intercede for all,
irrespective of their readiness to receive grace. I know Charlie
did that, and I know we're called to do that.
We're called to do that as we live in a
wounded world. We live through the Cold War. Now that's over,
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and now you have a great transnational ideological migration across
the world because communism has collapsed. But you have a
fervor of religious fanaticism that is spreading. You have totalitarianism
that is spreading. You have socialism that is spreading and
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trying to destroy nations around the world. And the one
nation that has always been that light for people to
see has been the United States. Yet that light is
now a mere flicker. And when we study human conflict,
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and I've dealt with this a lot around the world,
you can actually see Satan's methods of getting one group
to abuse another is always rooted in hard headed collusion
of self righteous people within each group. They take some
truth and then they polarize the people with different sides
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of that truth.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Does that sound familiar?
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They tempt them to unrighteous judgment. Does that sound familiar?
And then watch them wound each other with rejection harsh
words and injustice, and the cycle seems endless since even
as two individuals can hurt each other through selfish and
unjust behavior, it is equally common for wounds to be
sustained by a nation or people within a nation, because
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animosity and bitterness confesster unresolved for generations. And that can
only happen in this nation with the church that is
not engaged, that is weak, and that doesn't understand what
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is happening. I'm seeing a revival come about since Charlie's passing,
but we need to call for a reconciliation ministry too,
for everyone. We need to recognize that there are divisions
in our nation, in our local state and national groups,
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and around the world. And the only way we can
respond to these current and ancient wounds is a simple
answer that lies in the humility of Jesus Christ expressed
through his body the Church. We need to confess who
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he is and state the truth. We need to repent
and turn from unloving to loving actions. We need reconciliation,
which involves forgiveness and pursuing intimate fellowship with people we
previously considered our enemies, and then restitution. And I'm talking
about the church in particular, and this all starts with
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the heart. We can either organize as a body around
reconciliation or divide over self righteousness and virtue. Singly, true
virtue is signaled in reconciliation. It is a result, not
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a message, and that is what we need to see today.
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We have the perfect example in scripture. We have the
example of Jesus.
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When he saw his people as a culture with a
particular history. He wept over Israel's sins and wounds. He
identified with them. He was absolutely rooted in their story.
Introducing him and Matthew, it reveals indeed he was totally
engaged with individuals, both with their immediate personal needs and
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with their eternal salve. But he also dealt in terms
listening to this a corporate national issues. The most striking
example of Jesus dealing with corporate entity among his people
is found in Matthew twenty three, where it says, woe
to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you build up
the tomb of the prophets and adorn the monuments of
the righteousness, and say quote, if I had lived in
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the days of our fathers, we would not have been
partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Therefore
you are witnesses against your souls, that your sons of
those who murdered.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
The prophets fill up.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Then the measure of your father's guilt. What Jesus was
saying is he was ascribing unresolved corporate guilt to a
multi generational vocational caste, the Scribes and Pharisees. And he
indicated that proof of their unresolved guilt was that they
took a position of self righteousness rather than humbly identas
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to find with them. Because of all this, the opportunity
for cleansing was lost, and the weight of unrepented sin
rested upon their shoulders.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
But there was a contrast to that.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And we saw that in next seven and the example
of Stephen. He was a great intercessor, similar to the
example of Nehemiah, Ezra, Daniel, and Jeremiah.
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Means at least I spoke.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
About Stephen totally identified with his people, his group, even
as some of their number engaged in killing him.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
What did he say?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
He did not say, you Jews, but rather he said,
our fathers would not obey. Stephen remained constant in his
spirit of humility until falling on his knees as stone
rained down upon him, when he cried out to God
and said, Lord, do not charge them with this sin.
And those were the words he uttered before he died.
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If you want to save this nation, we have to
start living up to our past moral underpinnings, the ones
we say weren't any good, but by their fruit they
are known. And by the great success of the early
times in our nation we came into great prosperity. Where
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we are now and what do we do now depends
on who lives inside of us. And what we do
and how it will be effective depends on the posture
of our heart as we go forward. Charlie is a
modern day martyr like Stephen, and I can promise you
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I know without a doubt Charlie, had he not died instantly,
would have said, Father, forgiven, because that was his heart posture.
And you saw that as his wife at his memorial
forgave those that killed him a man. So if you
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want to save America, start with yourself. Start with hitting
your knees, repenting, and getting your heart posture correctly. Because
what now now we start the revival? Now we start
to reclaim the moral high ground in our nation.
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But you do it with yourself first.
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Then you do it by interceding and becoming a priest,
interceding for this nation in the world.
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That's what I've been doing, and I'll tell you I'm
seeing change it.
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I believe our best days are ahead of us.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
But it's going to take.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
A death to ourselves to bring life to a society
that has turned its back.
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On truth.
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Because I think, really that's the only way we can
start to build the foundation.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Keep our freedom wrong, cutting down.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
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