National Security in Plain Sight: A Rare Insider's View

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Speaker 4 (02:28):
I'm not gonna wait a whole lot of time. I'm
bringing our next guest because I got a lot of
questions for him, and let me just if I can.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
His name is doctor Rose.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
He's a surgeon, so he took he was in a
surgery and came out of a surgery to come join us.
He has a background in the US intelligence. He was
with the US military for over twenty years. He's got
a pretty rare inside perspective on national security, covert operations,
and homeland defense.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
So we'll be talking a little bit about that.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
But he also is a doctor, so he's a board
certified surgeon, combined precision and medicine with a strategic mission
oriented mindset. That means he's smart and he knows it
and he doesn't let he.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Doesn't let common sense go, which is a rarity.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I've got some friends that are doctors and they don't
have a lot of common sense. They're really good at golf, though,
so that's why I like to hang out.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I'm talking to.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Waste any more time, Doctor Keith Rose, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Just to correct the opening, I didn't have much time
to talk to your producer. I'd been in the intelligence
world for over twenty years. Oh, I kind of got
pulled out and pushed in, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
So you mean they you're not on the not officially
in the US military.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
But attached. Oh I was in the military. We were okay.
It was back during the Clinton years. There's what a
whole lot going on, and was spotted and assessed and
then ended up in the intelligence world to this day
in the intelligence community. And I've worked in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq,
Central South America, all the garden spots.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
In North Africa. You were in Small, Yeah, I was
in Small Where were you? When were you there?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I was actually I checked off a bucket list. I
was off the coast of Samaya. We were getting back
a ship called the sl Irene that was hijack back
when they before the oil tankers decided to have armed
people on them. You actually had to go back and
get the ship back. And so I was there and

(04:36):
we x filled out of Mambasa. So we were in
Mabasa right next door.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, so you you went all the way through Malindi
to get to Mambasa.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
We were dragged out there basically in the middle of
the night and got to take a cruise down to
South Africa and got out International Waters in Durban, South Africa,
and yeah, blown home.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's a fun trip.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
So I know that area very well.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
And I remember being in Somalia in Mogadishu and also
on the shoreline because that's where the pirates hung out
and we were trying to solve the pirate issue back
in two thousand and nine. So I ran into CIA
guys pretty regularly and they would always ask me who
I was, and I was like, I'm nobody, and.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
You could, you could?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
You could?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
I mean the Doctors without Borders, terrible lots of CIA
in there. Were you in that in that I was not.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I came into Afghanistan after four Doctors without Borders guys
were killed and the off the Darloman area and Cobble
and West Cobble. Yeah, and actually it was in Dusty
Barshee and I went over and was just doing relief work.
I'm a Craney facial plastic surgeon, so I operate on

(05:51):
kids and I spent the next fifteen years in and
out of there operating on kids, and it was good.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
So you got attached to intelligence and you got to
do you're what you're good at, what you're trained for.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was in a program that basically Brennan dissolved when
he was d c I under Obama. So yeah, it
was just a simple country. Doctor is not the best
thing to say about that.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
So let's talk about that if I can ask some
really silly questions. What relates to the CIA. I'm not
a big fan. I spent times watching him, you know,
do some pretty harmful things to people all over Africa
and the Middle East.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
By the ways, you learned Arabic asha adaby no.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
But Si posh too, and I speak some Dari and
I'm fluent Spanish, So all right. I was first down
in Central and South America, and it was tough.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
When I got to Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I was trying to learn Farci and Dari and I
basically would revert into Spanish and they'd look at me
like I was that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
I was trying to learn Arabic. So I taught myself
flying back and forth with Rosetta Stone. You know, you'd
have fourteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
It was actually good Rosetta Stone.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean, it teaches you like you you basically learn,
but there's nothing like immersion.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Yeah, nothing like it.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
But it was flattened to buy.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
But I spent so much time in Pakistan that it
was it was back and forth.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, but the thing is I was trying to learn Arabic,
and then I would go down to Kenya and they'd
have Swahili, and so you're like trying to learn Swahili
in the middle of your brain is just completely mush
and you're like, forget it, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Don't go to Ethiopia because that's the hardest language on
the planet.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
And it doesn't make any sense. Or Retrea, which is
right next to him.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I just I was there, and God bless him, I
had a translator.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well, you have all the tribal the tribal languages too,
so you're looking at you know, eleven or twelve different language.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's like in Guatemala you're looking at Taqui. You're looking
at all the different dialects.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah. Of the Indians.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, it's and they can't understand each other, which is
why they're always fighting.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, it has a lot of parallels with a lot
of different groups. But back to your point, I agree
with you.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
The CIA, I believe is irreparably broken.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
And so I saw programs that they had and look,
you ever been like the dumb guy that walks in
there and ho hums himself around and solves problems. But
then you can see bigger problems and people are saying, oh,
we're going to solve poverty. Jeffrey Sachs Money and Project
all over Africa said he's going to eliminate property.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
A CIA guy.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Right now, he went from being able to solve poverty
to now he's an election expert and understands foreign diplomacy
and Ukraine and Russia.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And he got dual Serbian passports probably if he understands elections,
but who knows.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
That's just I mean, it's that's a guess.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's a guess, just a guess that in Venezuela and
hanging out and yeah, he has dominion everywhere.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
So you know, dominion just basically got pushed off to
no ink. And you've got a guy who basically he
put on an email three days after the acquisition was
complete and said, business as usual, nothing changes, it's just
another name, just kind of passing it over and moving
it from one private equity firm to another.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well, that's basically like a government program. It's like any
of your SAPs, your special access programs. I mean, if
they're discovered, they just become something else. I hear read
about it in books.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's a lot vote no. It stands for liberty. No
longer dominion to reign over you. Now liberty. They're giving
you liberty.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Right, they took a lot of liberties with a virtual
machine changing votes. Are they pretty They took some liberties.
But going back to the central problem, which is the
Central Intelligence Agency can be My boss, Dewey Claridge was

(10:11):
one of the last greats, and I remember before he
passed away, he told me, he said, it can't be fixed.
And a lot of it is just like you said.
There's problems, and there's created problems. And unfortunately, the CIA,
like a lot of government organizations, have grown to essentially

(10:34):
these massive self looking ice cream cones. That you don't
get ahead by solving problems and being successful. You get
ahead by creating problems that can't be solved to spend
more money on the unsolvable program problem, and then you
build your empire from the inside out. And the greatest

(10:55):
loser in that while they're getting fat is the American
people because they forget the mission.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah, we become the victims, right, we become the the
the useful idiots in the middle of it. That basically
creates a slave culture. And my biggest problem with the
CIA over in Africa in the Middle East is that
you could see it happening. You see promises made for
US dollars to come over. Western influences come over and
say we're going to help build stuff up for you,
and you can give them, you know, two hundred million

(11:22):
dollars and they couldn't build a pitletry, which is what
World Vision tried to do. And in uh you know,
parts of Kenya, Uganda.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
It goes back to not understanding. I mean, any organization
when they get too big, they lose sight of what
they're there for. And of course it allows bad actors
to get involved. And so there are good people inside
the CIA, and I mean I probably talked to both
of them, but I just can't there there's some there's

(11:50):
some problem. There are some good people there, I'm sure,
But the bigger problem is this. If you go back
and you go back to the beginning, the founding of
our nation, you read George Washington's farewell address. He pretty
much sums up where we are today because he warned
about it, and he basically said, if people lose morality
and virtue, not being perfect, but having a moral compass,

(12:15):
and then they get and they can build what's called
the faction, something where they build up their personal power
inside a system. Our system allows you to do that
because of the freedoms we have. And then if they
have no virtue and morality, they can be influenced by
foreign governments and outside influence. You get what we have

(12:37):
in twenty twenty five, and you have a country that
is teetering on the edge because the republic is not
functioning as it was designed by the founders, and you
have a lot of people promising the world and delivering
for their special interests. And that can happen for a while.

(12:59):
We can live off the grace of the past because
we've had a great military in the past, we've had
good intelligence in the past. But like all dynasties are
all kingdoms. If you go to Europe, as the best
example I can give, if you go to Europe in
any of the castles, in any of these countries, you're
going to see a big picture of family portrait of

(13:21):
all these ancient kings and their families, and every portrait
there's always a dwarf and everyone because eventually, to keep
and maintain power, there's so much inbreeding that it produces
a dwarf or a midget. And we've had so much
inbreeding inside our government that we have a lot of

(13:43):
mental midgets or moral dwarfs. And no society survives like that.
I mean, it's the classic Wizard of Oz. You know,
they talk big, they talk loud like the Wizard, but
pull the curtain back and it's a midget with the
microphone and in the absence of courage, you know, truth

(14:04):
and author.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah, I mean this is where I mean, Wow, I
can't believe you actually said that, because I talk about
the Wizard of Ours all the time and having someone
behind it.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's not what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
And our government is one big facade that tries to
exude strength but is filled with some of the weakest,
most pathetic people you'd ever find that seek out power
and money because they have no talent, no ability to
get things done. CIA is no different. And you know
it's not that I don't believe that there are good
people in the CIA, I do, but I think that

(14:34):
you probably did meet.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Both of them, right well.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean in the past, our founders talked about you
pledge your life, your fortune, and your sacred honor. But
today we have people that run for office that want
to enhance their life, make a fortune, and be called
your honor. And it's just a complete twisting of the
definition of things. And the wrong definition will always take

(14:57):
you to the wrong destination. And so so you know,
it's not a stretch to see that we're in a
spiritual war, and it's not a stretch to see it's
good versus evil. But it's all playing out on the
world stage right now and here in the States, and
you know, I pray that it gets fixed.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
But I think we have a long way to go.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, we talk about you know, the let's just go
back to COVID like you worked overseas. So I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna put words in your mouth right now.
Sure you've seen this before, right, you saw in that operation, Yeah, COVID.
I hope that well, you saw it well.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I I went and met with the National Security Advisor.
I had a little conversation with him before we locked
down as a nation, and I was told, we can't
talk about.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
That, and tell me you didn't experience this with ebola
and other Uh, they.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Tried the same people tried to do it with bird
flu in Afghanistan, the exact same people you had. You
had COVID was, I mean COVID was back in two
thousand and twelve, I believe is when.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
They actually patented the name.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
And so you had guys like Bauci, you had guys
EcoHealth Alliance, and all they do is they used they
used a classic covert action to push people in the direction.
I mean, if anyone who is intellectually honest can look
and wonder why we had no flu cases during COVID

(16:25):
and we didn't because it was just a bad flu.
It was a man made bad flute. I mean, you
can't have the p transfer gene in there that is
man made you. So anyone that spent any time in
academic medicine could look at this and know we've never
locked down for anything, We've never isolated.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
You could read the book and understand how.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, I was so disappointed with doctors.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
I mean it was just basically it was it was
where masses move and everyone didn't want to be wrong,
and I guess I never got that gene growing up
is I I'm not worried if I'm wrong, as long
as I believe what I'm doing, and then I course
correct when I learned something else. And in COVID, I
owned four urgent cares at the time, and as I

(17:11):
owned several businesses, and I didn't treat one patient, I
didn't give the vaccine to one patient. We didn't hospitalize
one patient. And I treated everyone with ivermected or hydroxy
cork when and we didn't lose one out of.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Four thousand patients up to the age of ninety.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
And you mean you didn't put them on high flow
ventilators and.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Oh no, that's why they died.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, or give them medications that are going to box
their kidneys. I mean, but again, there's no intellectual honesty
when you look at I've published over fourteen fifteen papers
and Peerie View journals during my training, and to get
a paper published used to be a year to two
year process. You would have to go before an IRB
and institutional review board. You would present the paper at

(17:57):
a meeting, you would take questions on it, and.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
There was good peer review.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
When COVID came out, all of a sudden, you had
papers being published without any review. You had articles submitted
to journals that were literally published within twenty four.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
To forty eight hours. So I'd remember.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I called some doctors I knew in Mumbai and I
asked them. I said, Okay, look, I know COVID is
hitting all over the world.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Tell me what you guys are dealing with. And he goes.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I go, you having a lot of deaths or you
having a lot of problems that are like, no, everything's fine.
I've remember a hydroxic glorkquins ten cents over the counter
for malaria.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, they don't have They didn't have these problems.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
And the interesting thing was in the intelligence community, they
when you have something a mass casualty event, they go
to national reconnaissance and they look at satellites in different
areas and we look for stadiums that have been turned
into morgs, soccer fields, things like that. You look for
mass morgs, mass treat areas. Ironically enough, there were none,

(19:03):
and so it didn't make any sense to me. The
whole masking thing was absurd. I was just disappointed and
it really showed me that big medicine was like big
government was, like the military industrial complex. We have the
medical industrial complex. And it's not a conspiracy theory. It's
just an identification of a conspiracy when you see something.

(19:27):
And if Americans stop asking questions, we're going to go
to a place that none of us want to go.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I mean, we almost went there with COVID. I pray.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean, I can guarantee you they're going to run
this playbook again with something worse. It's just going to
be I mean, I know what we're seeing and it'll
be interesting to see what happens.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
So I don't think I've ever been on a podcast
where someone has as much information. Look, I'm a walking
encyclopedia of worth information.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
I went to a state school, so I'm not that bright.
My books were later they had less information in them.
But understanding the complexities or lack of complexities of viruses,
why you shouldn't be on high flow of ventovators, the
fact that we didn't need a vaccine and this was
just basically a run on killing people, and it had
done harm to millions of other Americans and people around

(20:22):
the world.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
So this is a global like they did this globally,
which is.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Why, and they're still doing it.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
You can't call it a pharmacy, a chain pharmacy that
doesn't offer you a vaccine, a COVID vaccine, which is
really unique because when we had the first swine flu,
which was a small outbreak from Fort Dietrich, I believe
you had like one hundred guys get it or something,
and all of a sudden, we were going to vaccinate
the entire US population and then we had four adverse

(20:51):
events from that, and they pulled the vaccine immediately. And
that was back in the eighties. You can go back
and see the sixty minutes on that.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I believe it was Mike Wallace that talked about it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
And now you go fast forward to today where you
have people that we are going to see the effects
of this vaccine for generations.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I mean you're or you're going to see them wiped out.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And so it's no one looked at it and asked
any questions. They just blindly had confirmation bias and went
along with it. And you know, I just didn't do that,
and I'm no one special. A lot of people I
know didn't. I called the doctors I worked with in
Afghanistan when COVID hit and I said, how are you

(21:36):
guys doing? They go, we're fine. I go, how's COVID
treating you? And they're like, oh, we're too poor to
deal with COVID. We can't even think about it, so
we don't do anything. And they didn't lose anyone.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
So so then based on that and somebody declared war
on the American people, then.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
They did. But again you have to go back to
root cause I think that the problem we're having in
our country today is we want to ascribe a linear
structure to a multi prong attack on this country.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
And it's not that.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Let's hypothetically say what you're saying is accurate, which it is.
Right you said that somebody told you as they were
retiring that you can't fix it.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's well he did, but as it is right now,
you can't fix it.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
And my boss.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Started the CTC that was his brain chob, that Center
for counter terrorism. So let me back up and explain.
In most countries, intelligence services run the country. They're the
brain center of the country because they have access unfettered
to media, to banking, to other intelligence agencies around the

(22:54):
world and in a moral society. And if the agency
was worked as it was designed, it's under Title fifty
and it's under the executive branch. They are an instrument
of our president. They are supposed to give information to Congress,
to the committees, to the President that they make decisions on.

(23:16):
And it's not intelligence until it's put into a product.
It's just information. And the way you get information, there's
three different ways. You get it from human sources we
call it human. You get it from signals interseets that
sig or you get it from gspatial that's overhead where
you have a satellite and you're looking down and there's
combinations of it. And when you have enough good intelligence,

(23:39):
we say we're crossing our ins.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
The problem is.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
John Brennan when he came in under Obama initially and
he was brought into the counter Terrorism Center ironically and
a Department of pal Land Security. He was in charge
of promotions for essentially twelve years, eight years of Obama,
four years of Biden, and there was a very subversive

(24:06):
four years when President Trump was elected and John Brennan
was to understand who he is. He was the person
that voted for Gus Hall back in I believe it
was seventy eight or something or seventy six the election,
and that was the Communist Party candidate.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I mean, it wasn't a small thing to vote for that.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yet he gets into the agency and if you go
to his Wikipedia, John says that he was in the
operations program. Now, John, you failed the operations program. So
he had to go into the Director of Intelligence. And
the CIA is essentially two directors, the DII Director of
Intelligence and the Director of Operations where.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
They do the spine.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
John failed the ops course, so he had to go
into the Director of Intelligence.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Now he's a brilliant guy. He's evil, but he's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
And so what he did is he bided his time
and under twelve years of controlling promotions inside the intelligence
unity and they also work with the military and driving
good officers out. He canceled the knock program, the non
official cover program. He changed the requirements for promotion for

(25:14):
case officers where they no longer had to recruit agents
or spies. So he undermined the external function of the
agency and he supercharged the internal function along with Jim Clapper,
the head of the DNI, Director of National intelligencer Michael Hayden,
who was in charge of the n essay. And so

(25:37):
you have three people with the moral compass of a
cheese log working under a subversive president. That history is
shown and elections have consequences, and so have more consequences. Right,
So Obama was out in eight years. We're living what

(25:59):
John Brennan's doing right now because I really believe he's
running the Intelligence Services.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I believe he's running.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Only he's definitely running the CIA. I mean, look, if
there was a guy behind the scenes and black opposites
running things, it would have.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
To be him.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, and he's not a good operations guy, but he's
smart and he's got access to unlimited funds because the
agency has not just USAID, but they have relationships with
banks and black money around the world. And I mean,
all you have to do is look at the problems
that this administration's having, and they're going to come back

(26:34):
to a root of the Intelligence Services. During President Trump's
first tenure, well, you talked about Title fifty. This will
be the first time in history we talked about it.
Yesterday the President Trump signaled that they were using Title
fifty down in Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
President Trump.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I don't believe he has had his complete title fifty brief
or his classified title fifty brief, but he said it
he did.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And I was happy.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
But again there's some shiny objects it is. But I
can tell you I.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Don't think he's getting all the information.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
My boss back when Reagan came in office was it
was a similar time. Reagan came in after Carter. There
was a lot of disruption in the intelligence community. And
so when Reagan came in, he brought in Bill Casey,
who was former OSS. I mean Bill was William Casey,
genius DCI, and he made my boss, Dewey Claridge, Deputy

(27:30):
Director of Operations the DdO, and Dewey was responsible for
setting up what they call the kitchen cabinet for President Reagan,
which he got his information from his regular guys, but
the kitchen cabinet brought him more information from outside sources
that weren't tied into the ideological administration, and it gave

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him the questions to ask of the bureaucracy. And that's
one of the reasons Reagan was so success And what
President Trump when he came in, I actually went I
was asked to come into the West Wing and help.
I was there for about three weeks. I was asked
to come in there and help with some foreign policy,

(28:16):
so to speak. And when I came in there was
an area in the West wing you could see the
carpet was pushed down, And when I asked, does.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Anyone know what was there? No one knew, well what
was there?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
When the National Security safes that President Obama had removed
from the West Wing and put in his library for
I guess five years back then, and that's what has
all the orders for say a travel band that the
president's lawyers can draw from and change. But everything the
president does overseas, they have to have good intelligence. My

(28:49):
concerning concern right now is I don't think the president's
I know unequivocally the president's not getting all the information.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think the president's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
But again, if he doesn't get the right information, and
I don't think it's all nefarious, I think some people
it's almost I think the CIA is either people working
against the president or they're the parable of the talents
where the agencies buried their talent and they don't even
remember where they buried it. They can't even go find it.

(29:21):
Because they've lost the institutional knowledge and operations. They've lost
the institutional knowledge and spying and running networks.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
And when you do that, you have problems.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Like let's say people coming from other countries into our
country right now, and they do it with valid passports
and visas, because if you have corruption inside your intelligence
services and inside the State Department, you're going to get
terrorists in your country with valid documents.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
And that's what we have right now.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
All right.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
So one of the things that I noticed when I
was overseas is that the CIA guys were wicked smart.
They were and I mean wicked as in bad wicked,
but they were wicked smart, super smart. But their competency
was near zero, so they were really smart. But I
would I would not. I mean, look, I was a

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guy that was able to maneuver situations when someone would
ask me to do something, and I shouldn't have been
able to maneuver it, Like I'm not a part of
the intelligence community. I shouldn't be able to outsmart a
guy that has access to unlimited amounts of information in
order to get something done that I needed to get
done in that particular country. Right, Normally, you shouldn't be
able to do that, should you.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
But unless you had a good boss, you were ham
streamed if you saw someone you needed.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
You mean, they saw it, they knew what I was doing,
but they let me do it.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh yeah, you would have been access agent. They would
have just yeah, let him do it, Let Mikey do it.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
No, it's I never had those problems because I had
a great boss. I mean, I'm sure I wouldn't want
to read my file me either, but I wouldn't want
to read my Well, my problem is that people lie
about those files.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Right, So the people come and say you have to
leave your passport here and we'll be back, and two
days later you're up in you know, some part of
Sudan it's not sanctioned, called Kanama Sugar.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, I mean look at Afghanistan. Look at Afghanistan. When
we left, When an intelligence service leaves, or when the
military leaves, there's something called a burn down where you
put all your electronics in these things, these grinders.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I mean, you could stick a bowling ball and it's
going to tear it up.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
You burn all the documents because you don't want to
leave anything behind, not just for the Afghans. But let's
say for the Chinese, the Iranians, the Russians, whoever is
going to have access to your classified or important information.
Let's just say things were reported destroyed that weren't that

(31:54):
have to do with passports, that have to do with
bess and I still have good contacts, and I can
tell you that you have people that have been trained
in some pretty nefarious things with good documents that have
been moved through Central America, into Mexico and into.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
The United States as part of.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
A plan to undermine this government. And that's just a
fraction of what's going on right now.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
So the CIA lost usaid.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
You're saying they have full access to other black ops money,
unlimited amounts of cash.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
How they do mandle it, Well, you have to stop
it by stopping the person that's causing the problems, and
that's John Brennan. The way President Reagan would have done
it if he had this situation, and the way the
title fifty Authorities work is the President would request of

(32:54):
the Senate. This theoretically, but this is what my boss
would teach me is the President would ask the Senate
to pull the guy's citizenship or passport and then he
would send some special military representatives to go pick him up.
But again, you can't stop someone unless if he has
other people working with them. If you have people in

(33:15):
the NSSAY that are intentionally withholding intercepts and information from
this administration, I would call that a problem. If you
have people in the CIA and big leadership programs that
are compromised and controlled, I would call that a problem.
And any information brought to the President, he's going to

(33:38):
check it through a system that is working against him.
If he use the poison minem example, people say, well,
one of those m and ms could be poisoned, I
would say, seventy percent of the M and m's in
that bowl or poison. And so what the president needs
is a kitchen cabinet. He needs a group of senior
officers that haven't lost their morals, their virtue, or their

(34:02):
access that can give him the questions to ask. And
then if you go after the leaders first that are
causing the problems, a lot of people that are following
will just shrivel up and go away. Those that don't
you do what's called the single issue polygraph, and that's
the way you find people that are being subversive you
had go back and look at the Nicholson case. I

(34:25):
worked with the senior officer that was involved in bringing
Nicholson down and that's where the CIA senior officer worked
with the DOJ and they were very successful and prosecuting
that guy. But you're never going to have a former
trial of John Brennan and he's a former DCI, has
too many secrets.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
You're not going to have that of someone like.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
A Michael Hayden who has been the DCI and the
head of the NSSAY. Which is not the best idea
to have. But when you have these folks that have
the unlimited relationships and that they true are potentially doing
some pretty seditious things.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
And they have the momentum, they have the money, and
they have.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
The structure in place, and you do not have a
strong functioning intelligence service that's serving the needs of the president.
And I know it's not popular when I say that,
but it's it's just the truth.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
So so how many how many judases do you think
we're dealing with? How many brutuses so to speak, I mean,
I see I see a little bit of I'm not
saying that that that President Trump is a god complex
but he's a very important figure in history, and that
leads me down the fact that he's got lots of
people that are giving him either they're either holding back
information they should be giving him, which should secure and

(35:50):
solve these problems, one of which I think is the
election systems. They hold it back so they're doing it
for selfish interest, or they're completely walking them off cliff,
of which they're doing it because they want to actually
hurt him.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
It's a combination. You have some that are doing.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
It because they're so afraid to be wrong, or we
used to say, you can't bring a big turn, lay
it on the president's desk, so they're fear of loss,
and it's either self serving self fear or it's nefarious.
The problem is we're at a point in our nation's
history where none of that works. I like I said,

(36:27):
I started the program with people in Washington create problems
that can't be solved, to put more money behind the
unsolvable problem.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
The reason President Trump scares the deep state and terrifies
it is because I think I'm a lot like President Trump,
and my company says, I don't pay people to work,
I pay them to solve problems. And President Trump solves problems.
You can look at his history going back to New York.

(36:57):
I mean, my parents lived and worked in New York.
I remember my dad telling me stories about how President Trump,
when he was Donald, could just see a project, not
just see how it could be fixed, but see what
it could become and how it would add value ten.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Twenty years down the line.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
That kind of forward thinking is is a terminal event
for a large bureaucracy that lives by self perpetuating it
and growth and just you know, gaining weight, because they're
a pair of site on the American population. And I

(37:34):
think the only way they keep it from President Trump
is they they prevent him from getting the information.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I was screened out for three weeks.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Every time I was trying, they tried to rush me
up to the Oval office to talk to him. One
of his aides or his chief of staff would run
him out the back rents previous. Would you know if
someone make a phone call, Hey, they're coming up.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I don't hold out a lot of hope that I'll talk.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
To him, but I pray someone does and lets him
know that there's a group out there that can help
him that doesn't want anything and I think there's a lot.
I think there's some good people in the bureaucracy that
if they saw action taking place instead of reaction to
bad things, then they would step forward and speak truth.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
But you have.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
You have one of the biggest crisis we've ever had
in our nation. I mean, if you study Yuri Besmanov
at all, we're in a demoralization stage on steroids overlapping
a crisis stage. And I think that the deep state
or whatever you want to call them, have to push
this as fast as they can, and they either make

(38:42):
his presidency ineffective, which will de moralize the nation, or.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
They just creator everything.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
And I don't think a COVID thing is going to
be the biggest thing we see. I think they're going
to push for a digital currency and hit us with
everything at once till it all creators and pushes so
we can be controlled. And you know, you'll only do
that if you control the intelligence services and you keep
the information from the president.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
I feel like he's in Venezuela for a reason. I
think he's there because of the election systems. I think
that's the genesis of all the things that happened in
the country. You can say that it's because of drugs,
but I mean, that's not the logical nexus for even
drugs coming out of South and Central America. Anybody that's
even not in intelligence, that's spent any time in South
and Central America knows that, right. So they're blowing up

(39:32):
these boats off the shores. Maybe that's a cover. I
just don't feel like I feel like there's a little
bit of misdirection happening down there. Then you start looking
at what's happening and maybe I'm wrong. You can tell
me I'm wrong. But if it feels off, it's way off.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
It's it's here's the thing again, John Bunny, or you
have no they have on something you're not off. It's okay,
here's the thing. It's Venezuela's our threat. Correct, our threat
is and I'll build this out for you. Venezuela is
a problem that we need to deal with, but so

(40:10):
is Colombia where Pietro is, because a lot of the
Venezuelan troops and militias in former military are in Colombia.
Building up Nicoagua is a problem because in Blue Fields
you've had multiple groups of Iranian and Chinese come ashore

(40:30):
in Nicaragua and make their way.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Up through Huawei and Guatemala into Mexico.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Well, all is a problem for us too, because I
mean it.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Is, but it's mainly a transit you have. And the
biggest problem we have that no one is seen is
just south of our border. You have a complete Narco
state and Claudia SHIMBAHM President Shinbam in Mexico has no control.
It's being run by CJ ANDNG and they've even folded

(40:59):
in the Cinelo a cartel I believe inside.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
So you have.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
The logistics and financial resources is some of the strongest
cartels in the world. You have the technical resources and
military resources of China that have brought in helicopters, drones, men, equipment,
missile systems into Mexico. You have them being supported by

(41:27):
the cartels. You've had twelve million that we know of
that cross the border during the Biden administration that we
we don't know who, where, what when. And at the
same time, you have the largest Iranian embassy in the
world in Mexico City, which is interesting because Mexico does
no trade with Iranada nothing, so it's you have command

(41:55):
and control, logistics, support. You have high end and intelligence
services because don't kid yourself, Venezuela and intelligence, Cuban intelligence
some of the best in the world, and they have
the rat lines, they have the way to move things.
So theoretically, let's just go down that rabbit hole. Theoretically,

(42:16):
you could have a bunch of suitcase EMP devices distributed
out major areas around our nation. At the same time,
you could have multiple small armed groups that could be activated,
working in kind of like a symphony from city to city.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
That could be orchestrated to move.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
At the same time, you could have maybe the Chinese,
the Iranians, the cartels buying lots of first responder uniforms
so that they could have a lot of blue on
blue problems, secondary effects coming after primary effects.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You could have IEDs.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
You could have a group of Antifa training an ID
technology in Afghanistan right now, maybe it's happening. You could
have all these things going on and the ability to
cross into the United States with good credentials and good passports.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
And this is the kicker.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
It could all be aided and embedded by a former
Director of Central Intelligence who knows where the weaknesses are,
knows how to get money and knows how to manipulate
current leaders, whether by coercion or they just want to
work with me. So yeah, I think we're we have
a real problem. So do I see Venezuela as our

(43:31):
biggest problem? No, our biggest problem is going to happen
here within the next sixty to ninety days, and it's
going to make nine to eleven look like a tea
party if we don't get ahead of it.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
And that's where you and I agree fully. And it's
tough having this conversation with you because I've talked to
operators all the time that are in the combat zones
that I got to see when I was over there,
And you know, I don't talk a lot about that
because I'd never worked for the government. I just people
would ask me to do stuff while I was there,

(44:01):
and I actually was there for humanitarian for mostly right.
So I just wanted people to stop killing each other.
And so if I got an opportunity to build something
or do something that would help, I did, And didn't
matter who you were. If you asked me to do
it and it helped, I would do it. Sudan Darfur,
whether or not it was ethnic cleansing, genocide going on there.
There wasn't never existed. Susan Rice lied about that, right,

(44:26):
I mean I.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Could Susan Rice that worked with John Brennan.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean she went to Brashier first in
Sudan and said, hey, we want you to do a
bunch of things for us, and he's like, yeah, I'm
not interested. So then she went to the UN and said, oh,
by the way, he's killing a bunch of people up north.
And then you went and you know, paid off people
in the Libyan army and Chatty or Sue Chatty and
Army and Libyan army and the John Juweed and funded
the forty three Darfurian rebel groups.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
And you had to create a problem to put money
into a problem, take direct resources from omnibus bills and
things like that.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Yeah, and or that resources though this is all about resources.
Same was between splitting up the country between North and
South Sudan because the Avia District Hi. Then they found
the uranium, right, so now you have uranium deposits, you
have you know, oil in this oil rich country run
by you know, a guy that's been there for decades,
and they got to get him out of there. So

(45:22):
they got to lie and having charged with genocide and
ethnic lensing, and you know, try to send him to
the KEG and it took him twenty years, but they
got it done.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
He's out now.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
And you have you know Ali Carti, who was Deputy
feign Minister that's now trying to sim lad to get
involved in it. And now you have puppets that basically
run that country. Puppets run that country and just basically
milk it for every dollar that's worth. And Susan Rice
again just walks around with impunity, leading to the death
and destruction of millions of people over those different countries.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
It's just, man, I thought I was out of this
by the way.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
I thought I was done in twenty twelve for twenty
thirteen and then I could walk away from it. I
got tire this stupid little black assholes at the airports
asking me questions like well, how much money did you
bring back? And who would you talk to? And I'm like,
I didn't talk to anybody.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I had to.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
It was like it's like they knew where I was.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
I'd leave by passports somewhere they knew show up at
the airport. I one hundred percent was going to miss
my flight to get home because they would stick me
in a little room and question me for four or
five hours. So I thought I was done until twenty twenty,
and then all of a sudden, I got to jump
back into this deal by accident because I'm seeing this
operation that I saw largely over there. I mean I

(46:32):
saw it. I saw it, and you're right sixteen to
ninety days.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Well it's it's generous. Well no, I mean we don't know.
And the problem is.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
It's gonna hit like a freight train.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
It is. If they don't get the right information, they
could be stopped. That's it could be fixed.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
But it you look in the absence of courage, truth
and orphan so no one's going in there and speaking it.
And look, we're in a biblical spiritual war and I'm
not I came to Christ late in life in forty
five and had to be blown up to get there.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
And the evil that I see, and I.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Don't believe that I've been in these places by accident.
You know, when you realize who God is and who
you're not, it's really life altering. And I don't believe
the people. There's certain people in areas of power that
just have no virtue. And I'm not saying being perfect

(47:41):
or anything. I'm saying they just won't speak truth, that
won't say right or wrong, or they're cowards. And I
don't think that's President Trump. I don't think that's Pete Hegseth.
I think he has good leaders. But the other thing
is the leaders he has in place have never been
bosses in the system. They were junior guys. And that's
not a that's not a slam on him. That's just
the reality. And they need to get the right support,

(48:04):
the right structure. You don't need a bunch of sea
schedule hoppers jumping around trying to do the right thing.
And the American people. I believe that if this country's saved,
it's going to be by a remnant and it's going
to be by the American people just not buying into
the propaganda and the lies. And I think that the

(48:26):
information's getting out there. I think President Trump, I think
he's there for reason, and I think he will do
the right thing.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
If he has the right information.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
I just don't believe that he's getting all the information.
And we can't be reactive anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
We have to be proactive. This is going to get fixed.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
All right, Well, then how do we do that when
we keep being told that we've solved the issue with
free speech, X is back on the bucket of basically
silencing anyone that is not you know, you know Viva
is read. I mean it's crazy. I mean, the whole thing,
the whole thing is just nonsensical. It's like we're catered

(49:06):
to the ridiculous. We still want to cut off penises.
We got DEI stuff that they're fighting. I've talked to
people that are closely related to ambassadors that are holdovers
from the Biden administration, over sixty now over sixty of
them still that are telling countries they don't worry about
It'll be back to business as usual in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Because they don't they have no morals.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I mean, look, if you really want to know why
we're stuffering so much, I lay it right at the
foot of the American church.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Really, because I'm not.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
What we did is I mean, when in the eighties
we started, we started, we changed as a nation because
we forgot what it needs to be free. I mean,
our freedom is from God, It's not from anyone else.
But pastors decided to talk about prosperity instead of posterity. Wow,

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they didn't want independence, they just wanted attendance. And instead
of speaking truth, they changed it to tolerance. And it's
we if you forget your past, you'll never secure your future.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And as a nation.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Four sixteen am I the enemy because I tell you
the truth exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
And the thing is this, if you want to know
what's going on in the world, it's real simple.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Read the Bible.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
You have. What did Satan do to get Eve this fall?
He'd number one. He made her doubt truth. He said,
God said you don't do that, But it's just because
he doesn't want you to be like him. He made
her doubt her identity. He made her doubt God is good.
Wouldn't a good God lets you? And then when so,
he makes you doubt your identity. He makes you doubt

(50:51):
God is good. And then when you sin, she felt
like a victim. And when you come a victory, that
gives you the right to rebel. So if you look
at that, it's the same playbook that every government uses
when they want to be successful. They have to divide

(51:12):
based on identity. They have to make you believe that
God's not good and then they have to make you
a victim, so then that gives you the right to
rebel you're owed something. That's what I love about President Trump.
He doesn't believe that you're owed anything. He believes in meritocracy,
which is why the founding was. The Constitution is about meritocracy,

(51:33):
and the enemy Satan wants you to believe that you're
owed something that you don't have to do it, and
people that are given things never appreciate it because it's
not in your nature. And the interesting thing is God
created us in his image. That's why Satan wants to
have people get abortions, because you kill the thing God
loves the most. Have people change your image through transgender

(51:56):
and things like that. It's not that it's it's attack
on the image that because that's what drives Satan crazy.
And the reason our nation was so successful is you
had people that understood what it meant for freedom and
they knew it came from God's If you read back
in some of George Washington's letters, the night before they

(52:18):
crossed the Delaware, he was talking to I believe it
was Benjamin Rush.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
He was a surgeon, so I think about.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Rush and he was his one of his best friends,
like his prayer partner, and he and Rush were talking
and he said, tonight, put no one on duty but
true Americans.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And of course they were all Americans.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
But Washington wrote later that he meant by true Americans
is America was spiritual. It wasn't just a piece of dirt.
It was a covenant before God. And so he wanted
people that were going to be on watch that understood
the spiritual nature of what this nation means. And so

(52:58):
you know, you fast forward now and we push God
out of the schools when you couldn't come to this
country in nineteen forty three without getting the Handbook of
the American Citizen, which talked all about God and God
being in schools and the family. And so, if we're
going to save this nation, and if we're going to
get back to first principles, we're going to strengthen the family.

(53:21):
We're going to strengthen truth. And what do liberals try
to do. They say, well, there's no longer truth, there's
your truth. And of course we don't. You know, you
don't need a man around toxic masculinity, you don't need
a father, a family, and the Bible understood all this.
I mean, if you look up the Hebrew word for father,
it means restrainer. If you look at the Hebrew word

(53:44):
for mother, it means nurturer. But the fascinating thing is
if you look up the Hebrew word, it's a paleo Hebrew.
It's a picture of anger, and it means where is
the father? And so what we did is the Great
Society ran the father out of the house and then

(54:05):
it just said, you know, we don't need that, and
you take parental rights away and you make people belong
to the state, and it's it's communism, but it's just evil.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And so as a.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Nation, I believe the way we get back to is
we get back to first principles and we call truth
truth and we don't go to iniquity, which is calling.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Good bad and bad good.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
I don't know, like gender affirmation or reproductive health care.
When you're killing a baby, I mean, this is iniquity.
And I was the worst person on the planet before
I got saved. But truth is truth, bro.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I mean you know, I mean I but.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, well you understand this that we're all saved by
grace and you can't earn it. But once you're saved.
And this is what I would tell the church is
once you're saved, they know them by their fruit. Yeah,
you work that out. People know who you are. Look,
I can't love some people, It's impossible for me to do.

(55:07):
But Christ in me, no problem. I can't forgive people,
but Christ in me, no problem. You just need less
of you and more of Him. And if we had
people that understood that in the intelligence communities when they're reporting,
when they're briefing, you can't stop this nation. I mean,
I can't tell you the number of miracles I saw
in the field that I shouldn't be here. And I

(55:30):
mean we all got to see a miracle in HD
color when President Trump turned his head before that shot hit.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
And President Trump said something very interesting at Charlie's funeral.
He goes, yeah, I hate people. I hate my enemy.
And you can see the darkness kind of creep up
in him because he and somebody just said in the comments,
they said, Joe, do you have dual personalities? Because sometimes
I'm a warrior I just want to fight and my friend,

(56:00):
but you can.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Be a glorified warrior. Look, I'm a warrior. I mean,
I you know, I showed up as.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
It broke someone around like a rag doll, like, yeah, I've.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Never done that before. I showed up. It was the
best day of your life or the last one. I
mean it was.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
They're just saying maybe, But the thing is this, The
thing is this, but that's not my identity. My identity
is Look, if it's a righteous war, I'm all in right.
But the thing is that God, God can't work with pride.
Yeah I know, And he can't work with it's we
have to die to ourselves and the and the thing
is we have gotten away from the heart posture in

(56:41):
this nation. The reason you mentioned Charlie Kirk, Charlie was
a dear friend of mine. I was at his wedding,
and I can tell you that everything you think wonderful
about Charlie is true. And the reason Charlie will live
on generationally, not just on social media, is Charlie's heart
pop was what Charlie said. A lot of people said

(57:03):
the same things Charlie did, but they didn't live the
life Charlie lived.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
When no one is looking, he did. And not only that,
but Charlie. I got a lot of Charlie stories, but Charlie.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Was the message and what we have to become is Look,
I'm worse than the world, but I can be that
person through redemption. And that's what the left doesn't want
people to understand. You don't have to stay the same one.
You don't have to be a victim. I mean, I'm
not a victim. And I've had terrible things happen in
my life. I've had amazing things happen. It's just you

(57:39):
live your life and you do your calling. And if
people will step into their purpose. The Bible says that
he orders the steps of a righteous man, and that
he wrote our chapters in a book. And I believe
that this is one of the most difficult times in
our history. I believe I was born for this time
because clearly I'm here, so were you. And if more
people will get us out and speak the truth. And

(58:02):
the thing is this, if you have in our church,
I think one of the biggest failings we had in
our church is they love Jesus always, but they didn't
fear God. And if you fear God, you don't fear
anything else. But if you don't fear God, you pretty
much fear everything else, and you fear acceptance.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
You fear. You know, it's not just that lion rushing
at you. You fear what people think. You fear.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Look in government, Am I going to be right? Am
I going to be wrong? Do I let this guy
talk to the president? Or am I going to be wrong?

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Fear? I mean, fear is what shuts you down. I mean.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I heard one of my best friends, my best friend,
I only have one. His wife said something the other
day and I'll never forget it. She was talking about someone.
She said, Oh, that's a zoo lion. It's people in
their element. They can be very tough. John Brennan is
a zoo lion. A lot of our politicians are new lions.
What we need or more lions of Judah, people that

(59:03):
will come out and say the truth, act on their conviction.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
And I believe that.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
That's the heart of this country, and that's what we
have to do as a nation. We have to pull together,
go back to first principles. It's interesting if you look
at the end of the Old Testament, the last chapter
and and oh man, this is agatting. I'm that tired today.

(59:31):
I've been operating all day. The last book of the
Old Testament helped me out here. No, no Old Testament.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Oh Old Testament.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Oh uh, it means messenger, and I'm just blanking on it. Well, producer,
someone's going to help us with it. But the last chapter,
the last chapter I.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Think is chapter four, and that means messenger, and I'm
just blanking on it.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
In the paragraph the last sentence, you got it last
book in the Old Testament.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Some of your folks call it with me Malachi Malachi
means messenger Malachi.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
I think it's for wrong with me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I had that brain. I had that brain far into
but I should be able.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
To compliment you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
No, that's okay. Hey, we're not perfect. But it says
I will turn the hearts of fathers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I will send someone with the spirit of Elijah, turning
the hearts to fathers to sons and daughter sons, notics
to fathers. Or if that doesn't happen, I'll strike it
with a curse. So we're at a point in our
nation where we're going to decide are we going to
live under the curse or we're going to live under

(01:00:44):
the blessing. And the blessing doesn't come by good living.
It comes by what Charlie was, good being. Yeah, I mean,
it's that hard posture. Look, I when I got saved
in two thousand and eight, I changed completely and my
career actually got even better.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
But we have to change.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
It changed because I realized, Man, it's him, not me.
And the thing is, the Church has taken sin out.
I mean, you know, they don't talk about sin as
a first name. I was a bad sinner. I'm not
that guy anymore. I don't do the things I used
to do, not me, Christ' end me. I don't even

(01:01:27):
care what people think. And the nice thing is when
you're like that, when you're like Charlie, then you can
do things because your driver is your identity and my
identity is Christ. And then people understand that and their identity.
That's what scares the enemy. That's how you beat a
rogue intelligence community. That's how you beat something. Someone said

(01:01:50):
the other day, Man, there's no way we're going to
fix this. I go awesome. That means the only God
can do it. And that's the only place I want
to be, you know. And and if it's not fixed
in my life and then it gets fixed in someone else's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
But we can't worry anymore. We can't have fear. I
mean it's it's got to be and fear has to
be a non starter.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
And I believe, like I believe, President Trump's a Christian,
but he was, like me, a really bad Christian when
I first got saved.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
That was terrible Christians.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
But I think that President Trump needs people that speak
the truth to him succinctly, straightforward, without a chaser. And
if he finds that, if he gets his kitchen cabinet,
then I think our.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Best years have ahead of us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
If it doesn't, we're going to live through some interesting
times and we'll just have to see douch.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
Rose, I got to have you on again because I
want to talk about your faith walk. Mine was in
two thousand and seven, very cool.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
It was eleven. It was November of two thousand and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Seven, and I could I could almost tell you to
the day, like how it how it came about? Actually
I could tell you to today. But it was I was, man,
I was just I was. I was just not a
good guy. I was a great dad. That was a
horrible husband. You lived in your head, Yeah yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Oh, I was, I was. I was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I tell people I was a dumpster fire, but not
the dumpster fire like the regular one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
The kind of one with homeless coop in it. I
was that dumpsterfire.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
You know, I've lived.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I had kids.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I didn't even know what they had for lunch. I'd
spend all my time overseas. I was so miserable. Everyone's like, oh,
he's so brave to volunteer for this. No, I didn't
want to come home. I thought, at least i'll die do.
I didn't know who I was. I worked for so
many three letter agencies that I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
I didn't know who I was. I had. My identity
was so jacked.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Well, I gotta I gotta sit on an airplane. I took
this all the way to the bitter end. But brother,
I want to have you back on again and go
through this again. Not this, but more of the journey.
I want people to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Ye we can do it, and and I'll tell you
can ask me anything about I would tell you your audience,
pay attention right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
There could be some bad things happening. If they do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Don't panic your community, your local community, know your county, shares,
have community, know your churches. We don't have to be
a nation that fears. We just have to be an
obedient nation, to our first principles and to God, and

(01:04:27):
I think you know, will be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
It's just it's gonna get weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
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