October 13, 2025 • 46 mins
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- The importance of accurate information for the President: The speaker emphasizes that without access to the right information, the President cannot make informed decisions.
- Title 50 and intelligence gathering: They mention Title 50, which is a set of laws governing covert operations, and how it's like having $10 billion in one's name but not knowing where or how to access it.
- Need for an "outside-in" solution: The speaker believes that President Trump needs outside help from experts who understand the intelligence community and can provide him with the right information.
- Foreign influence and interference: They discuss concerns about foreign troops, drones, and EMPs in the United States and potential involvement of cartels and other organizations.
- Charlie Kirk's assassination and its impact: The speaker shares their personal connection to Charlie Kirk, who they describe as a "good being" and someone who honored God first and spoke truthfully.
- Concerns about President Trump's ability to govern effectively: The speaker is worried that the President lacks access to accurate information, which may hinder his decision-making.
- Need for transparency and accountability in government: This conversation highlights the importance of a free flow of information between different branches of government and outside experts.
- Fears about potential foreign interference: The discussion raises concerns about foreign entities influencing or interfering with domestic affairs.
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Speaker 2 (04:12):
You first came on here, I believe in twenty twenty one,
during the height of the COVID hysteria, your background in
the military as well is going becoming a doctor and
your podcast, the Scalpel, and we've talked about this, that
and the other thing all over the years, and I
don't know what it was when I texted you, I
just something just popped in my head and I was like,
I haven't talked to him forever, So I just figured
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out fingure and You're like, yeah, let's do it. So
but you know, kind of on the same lines of
the shows have done recently with Baz and then Dale
and all these guys about you know, it's no it's
no secret that you know, everyone's saying it during the
by administration, who's coming over the border. And you know,
we we saw in his first administration just how rotted
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through the institution's arc. We saw specifically with COVID, CDC FDA.
We'll strapolate that too to military and intelligence and critical
infrastructure and whatnot. And I think anyone to brain cells
can piece together open news, not even classified, just like, yeah,
it's not the machine is in a it's not entirely
under the control of the operator, and probably worse now
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than before. And I guess the I don't know the
brain surgery is is how do you it's not you
can't just see amputated. It's it's a brain, it's not
a limb. How do you go in and remove it
without killing the patient, without driving the patient saying et cetera,
and so on so on on that cheery topic, I'm
gonna hand it over to you, doctor Books.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, first of all, my primary background is in intelligence. Okay,
but being a surgeon, I can tell you when you
have a problem, the first thing you have to do
is diagnose the problem. You have to understand what the
problem is.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And we can use that metaphor for what you kind
of brought it up, what we're doing today and what's
going on in our nation, because I believe we have
almost determinal diagnosis for our republic at this time.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And it's one of those things, like anything in health,
it didn't happen overnight. You know, people that make bad
choices in their life, whether it's with their diet, their
lack of exercise, what they eat, medicines they took, or
even drugs that they took, illegal drugs. You know, everything
has consequences down the line if you don't do the
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basic things you're supposed to do to stay physically healthy
as well as to keep a nation healthy. And the
interesting thing, I've been spending a lot of time on
this lately, and I went back and read, and I
have it sitting here on my desk, George Washington's farewell address,
all right, and if I would highly recommend people go
back and read that. It's written in a very verbose way,
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in the way people spoke back then in English. But
to just boil it down to its simplest component, Washington
states that, look, we've got this great republic that we've
put together and fought hard for. It's a republic that
was built based on faith in God, virtue in the
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principles and Judeo Christian principles, and a commitment to posterity,
which means something bigger than yourself. I would say, all
of those three things we have gotten away from so
much in the past, well, really the past one hundred years,
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but this past thirty years it's been on steroids. We've
gotten away from number one, understanding the republic that was
handed down to us, keeping it with virtuous people, people
that understand that they need to pledge their lives, their fortune,
and their sacred honor, and that they're doing that for posterity,
meaning our children and our grandchildren. Nowadays, we have people
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that get elected that do it to enrich their lives,
to make a fortune and be called your honor, and
they do it for prosperity, not posterity. And Washington warned
against this. He said, if you got rid of virtue,
and it doesn't mean you're perfect, but if you got
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rid of a moral compass as a nation in your leadership,
then it would open the door for people to get
more into themselves or self serving principles, i e. They
could be bribed by foreign influence, or they would make
decisions based on being popular or being controlled financially or
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other ways by a smaller group that didn't have the
nation's welfare in mind. And so if you look at
if we say that in the United States is the patient,
and you look at our patient today. We came from
a great start after the Revolutionary War. We were given
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a structure of a government that had never been done before.
Our founding fathers knew that. That's why they said, you know,
in the constitutional conventions, why they fought, It's why they argued.
And to Washington, George, I mean Benjamin Franklin stood up
when everyone was getting ready to go home and we
were just going to fail in that hot schoolhouse and
said his famous speech, and I don't remember it for
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word in paraphrasing, he said, look, we have the blessed
opportunity to be standing here today and fighting with each
other to form a country. We're mere less than a
year ago. We were at war with the greatest army
and navy in the world. And he said, we met
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in this building every day, we prayed to God all
and he said our prayers were heard and they were
graciously answered. And he said we so they defeated them.
And he's saying, now we have this opportunity today to
form a government. And he said, we looked back throughout history,
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in the past and currently at all governments and found
none of them suitable for our needs. For each his
words sowed seeds of dissolution, meaning you know, they just
eventually cratered on themselves. And the founders were wise, and
he said, so we came to this building every day
and prayed to win the war. And he goes, have
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we forgotten our special friend? He's talking about God? He goes,
or do we feel we no longer need him? Because
if a sparrow cannot fall in the forest without his notice,
can a nation rise without his consent? And so he
literally recommended they go home and spend days in prayer
and fasting and then come back. And everyone did it.
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When they came back, they formed the Bicarmal legislation, the government.
We have a constitutional republic. And that's why the famous
line from Ben Franklin. When they were leaving the building
after forming the government, the lady I believe her name
was Powell, miss Powell, asking do we have a government,
and he says, you have a republic, madam, if you
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can keep it. So with that is the context and background,
fast forward to where we are today. If we can
keep it, I would tell you that we have gone.
We have strayed so far from our founding principles.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I e.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Are Judeo Christian principles. Understanding the morality and the type
of virtue it took to build this country, and we've
gotten so far away from prosperity, from posterity, and also
we really looked at was prosperity. And so what does
that look like now, Well, it looks like like the
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election of Barack Obama. Back in two thousand and eight.
When Obama came in, he said, we are the change
we've been waiting for, and he did exactly what he
said he was going to do. He acted like a
Marxist socialist on steroids. He created division. I mean, you've
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got to realize we were founded on Judeo Christian principles.
Those principles are about unity, they are about patriotism, they're
not about division. But we started being divided by principles
that you can't change skin color stecks. And then after Obama,
we had a brief respit with President Trump, but all
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the people that he had put in place for so
long in the bureaucracy never let Trump really get his
legs underneath him. He did some great things, but we
never really dealt with the root problem. And then when
Biden came in, it just got ten timesse And so
where we find ourselves as a nation today is we
have a large tumor called the United States government that's
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metastasized to a size where it only has one goal,
and that's to keep and maintain power inside of bureaucracy,
and it is so large that it's become ineffective. A
lot of business owners and entrepreneurs will tell you that
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if you look at hedge funds, they say, if you
have under a yearly arians are under two hundred million,
you can drive revenue better. They're more successful. But if
you get over two hundred million, your company grows excessively.
The amount of profit you make usually is cut in
half because of the bureaucracy. And I mean, I'm not
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an economics major, but it's it's a pretty sound principle.
What's the same way with the country as you grow.
We have gone from a country where people went to
office to solve problems to a nation that has politicians
that create problems that can't be solved to spend more
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money on the unsolvable problem. So the bureaucracy can grow
because it's not about what you fix, it's about the
budget and what you get out of the bill financially
for yourself. Or your constituents for the government. And again,
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the founders Washington talked about this. They put stopgaps, break
glass things in the constitution, and we slowly, overtime have
had men step into peer positions of power with no virtue.
And these unvirtuous men had removed those stop gaps they've had,
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They've either remove them or put people in positions that
will not trigger them. And so it's a long run
for short slide what I'm telling you, But where we
are today as a nation, we're a sick patient and
we're sick. And I would say the root cause of
our sickness and the root cause of all the problems
we're facing can pretty much be traced to where I'm
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from the intelligence community. Because the American people writ large
are a moral, virtuous people in the aggregate, in the
corporate Now there's outliers on both sides, but most of
them have a moral compass and understand they have this DNA.
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They want to be free, they don't want an oversized government.
They believe in meritocracy, and that's what our founders believed
in a meritocracy. And so what happened is when President
Obama came inside all the overt public policy changes he made.
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He put someone in charge first of all, at CTC,
the Center for Counter Terrorism, by the name of John Brennan.
John Brennan, if you remember, voted for Gus Hall back
in nineteen seventy six to president, so he literally voted
for the Communist Party back in nineteen seventy six. He
somehow made it into the CIA, where he failed out
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of the operations course a little not well known fact,
and went to work for the Directorate of Intelligence as
far as the d side, the analytical side. Now I'm
not taking anything away from John. He is a brilliant guy,
and anyone's a fool not to recognize that this guy
is smart. But President Obama put him in an about
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communist in the CTC, and Brennan started what I believe
was a long march through the intelligence community to set
promotions and hire people and to drive out those that
didn't agree with him ideologically or with his vision of
what this country should be. And so after Obama's first term,
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when he was elected again, he made John Brennan Director
of Central Intelligence. So he's the top guy you've talked
about title fifty for an intelligence He was the guy
in charge of it all, and he controlled promotions and
what case officers were promoted, what programs were kept, what
programs weren't kept for the next four years. So that's
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eight years of him controlling all the promotions, all the
advancement inside the intelligence community. And he had Clapper working
hand in hand with him inside the d and I
the Director of National Intelligence. So you have people that
don't have the country's best interest at heart working for
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a subversive side of our government controlling the diligence community.
Now why is that important. Well, during Brennan's tenure, he
stopped all He canceled the knock program, the non official
cover program, which is essential for I don't know, spying
and doing great work. He got rid of the requirement
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to recruit assets as a requirement for promotion, so you
can be promoted inside this group inside the CIA without
recruiting other spies, which is really part of your mandate
what you're supposed to do. So he went to do
he was working there, and then you know, you had
James Coney, You had all the folks that were working
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inside the FBI decaying our intelligence abilities here inside the
United States. And these people also had their hands on
the lever of the Patriot Act, and so that they started.
I mean, you can look up Smith Munt and all.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The way they pushed the.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Propaganda to all these folks and made it legal for
the government to pay to propagandize the United The people
of the United States are the citizens. And please understand,
intelligence is not just that we sneak over there and
blow up stuff. Intelligence is something we do called information operations,
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your covert action, where you control the flow of information
to manipulate policy or events. And that's called the covert action.
Now you don't do it in your own country, but
that's essentially what they did. So when you had these
leaks come out, and when you had what happened that
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Crossfire hurricane, that was all a covert action run by
the intelligence services against President Trump. And then after President
Trump left office, after being impeached twice and all the
harassment he got, and he was a great president, he
never really got a handle on the bureaucracy.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
And the people that were actually making the decisions on
who was to hire.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
If you remember a guy named Peter Stroke when he
was with the FBI when Trump came into office, and
Stroke was demoted. He was moved to head up HR
at the FBI, so he was involved in hiring. It's
the deep state knows how to hide. They know how
to keep the president from understanding what's going on, because
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if he doesn't ask the right question, they're not going
to give him an answer if they're working against him.
So and I'm going to at the end of this,
I'll tell you how I think it can be fixed
and the way I've seen it fixed. So you have
all the subversive elements in the intelligence community. You have
Trump in there that made some good progress. But I
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can tell you I was down in Central America and
watched the State Department put caravans together to come migrants
to come north during the Trump presidency, and he didn't
know anything about it. So in the State Department and
a lot of the again they're kind of an overtentacle
of the intelligence world. And then you had USAID, which
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we now know funded a lot of the stuff. And
you got to remember, in the intelligence community, you have
all the banking relationships, all the black funds, the funds
that even Congress can't see, and you have all the
connections to your intelligent sources around the world. And I'm
not trying to be all over the place, but I'll
give you an example. President Trump came in and did
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the travel ban. We all remember that, and then they
you had all this propaganda come out and say, oh,
he's banning people coming from Muslim countries. That's not what
he did, but that's what people said. You had CNN
waiting there for people to land and be told they
couldn't stay. Well, a travel goes into place by the
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intelligence community. The president. Had he known this, He wasn't
told because the way to do this was removed before
he got into office, because the travel band and a
lot of presidential orders were in what we call the
national security safes. These are safes that have these orders
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and the paperwork goes in and it's updated every time
there's an order, and it's kept in the White House
in the West Wing in safes file cabinets that are safes.
Those says had been moved to Obama's library prior to
President Trump taking office, So when he instituted a travel ban,
he couldn't go back and look at the previous structure
of the travel ban, and no one told him exactly
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how you do it, because he should have called in
his director of Central Intelligence and told him to call
the countries where they're going to have to institute the band,
not because of the large Muslim population, but countries that
were unable to vet the people and who could not
tell us whether they were terrorists or not that were
coming to this country. He was correct in what he
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wanted to do, but he didn't have people serving him
that knew how to do it, and that would have
started with the intelligence community. They would have gotten on
the phone, called the embassies in these said countries. He
would have had another part of the intelligence community crafting
him the information that he would get out to the
American people to explain to them, I'm not banning these
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people because they're Muslims. I'm banning them because their own
countries don't know if they're safe or not, and so
there's no explanation of why they do something, and that
comes from the intelligence community. And when there's no explanation,
they also set him up for failure by leaking out
and having reporters waiting at the airport when people came.
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All of this could have been mitigated had he had
an intelligence community that were doing their job and working
with him, had barackled and not taken the National Security
Safe to his library for four or five years, and
had someone known in that he had his Title fifty briefing,
both the overt and classified briefing, to know that, Okay,
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I'm going to go pull the last travel order, adjust
it to my standards in conjunction with my advisors from
the intelligence community that are working along the constitutional lines
supporting my administration. That's how it should have gone. And
that was in the beginning of his administration, and it
just went downhill from there. And my concern right now
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is we have not addressed the elephant in the room,
and that's the intelligence community is not working for the
president at large. It's being controlled, I believe by outside influence. Now,
there are good people inside the intelligence community. Tulsey Gabbard,
great person, Joe Kent, great person. You have good officers
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in there, a few, but you have a lot of
the leadership that either by omission, coercion, or just corruption
or self serving ideas, that are not working to support
this president. And because of that, we find ourselves where
we are now, and that is exposed as a nation
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from having essentially twelve years of open borders and having
an intelligence community that I believe and I have reason
to believe this. The information that they're receiving is not
getting to the president so that he can make and
the decision makers so they can make the decisions they
need to make. So again, go back to George Washington's morning.
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If you have people that do not have a moral
structure in their heart, in their lives, and an understanding
of virtue meaning they do the right thing, then you
get where we are now, where you have corrupt individuals
working to undermine the republic, whether it's for self serving
reasons ideological reasons. You are here right now. You know
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that big when you go to a big amusement park
or six Flags or wherever you go, and you look
at the sign, you go, I don't know where I am,
and this says you are here. This is where we
are as a nation. We are here. We are here
as a nation where I believe sixty to seventy percent
of the active personnel inside the intelligence community you're not
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supporting the president and his agenda and either or not
giving him the information that they know he needs, or
just not working for him. They don't what is their
mission statement? What are they doing? You know, we've had
a lot of things happen that we're seeing happen that
we all warned about in twenty sixteen during the first
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term crossfire, hurricane, you know, the Russian collusion hoax, and
it's all being shown true. And that's all anyone's talking about.
But is anyone asking the question did it ever stop?
Is it still going on? Because it is, of course,
And you had bos on your show in Pete Chambers
while back, and they talked to you about shoulder launched
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missiles coming into the United States and those were interreddicted.
I understand. I can tell you since that time, we've
had an exponential amount of equipment cross our borders and
come into this country. This is equipment that the American
taxpayer paid for to go to Ukraine, that was sold
by Zelenski administration to the cartels and then moved back
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across the border here. So my question to you is
why is that happening? Are they moving it here to sell?
Now they're you moving it here to use? And we
have a large contingency of you can call them al
Qaeda and and cuts force, Chinese military personnel, cartel personnel
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that have had an open border for four years and
really longer. You have an intelligence community that is being
manipulated and run by folks that are formerly heads of
the community, I believe, and you don't have enough people
that understand what is happening. They're basically fighting a rear
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guard gorilla war inside in this country, inside the administration,
with people that don't understand the diagnosis of what's happening,
who's attacking them, and what they can do about it.
So I'm very concerned for the nation right now.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
As well as you should be. None of that really
seems like a surprise to me. I guess the one
thing I personally try to focus on is kind of
which about Ben Franklin. Were we not here a year
ago praying to get through And as as bad as
things seem, and not just seem as they objectively are,
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I just my own life in the life of this podcast.
I just looked back to four years ago, three years ago,
two years ago, one year ago, and how I mean,
I really didn't think it was going to keep going.
I was like, any day now, like it's you're gonna
get no knocked and that'll be it. And they're they're
censoring left, right and center, and you know, up until
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last summer and they try to blow his head off,
and even then I was like, there's no way they're not.
They're gonna let this thing go through. And every day
when I get anxious or get a little you know,
depressed or apathetic, you know, I pray and you can almost,
you know, as anyone with a relationship of God knows
stuff that you hear it in your head. But it's
almost when I go a year ago. If I could go,
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let's go, yeah, if I could go a year ago
to what October tenth, zap real quick, go back and
see me and then and me them would be so
freaked out, and I'd be like, hey, they don't kill
him yet. He won the election but went off without
a hitch in January twentieth. We're not in nuclear war
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and we're moving forward. I don't think i'd believe me.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think I would say that that's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And I think if that me looked forward to me
and said, well, what are you concerned about? And I go, well,
it's Friday. It's kind of the end of a long week.
I had a bunch of chores to do, and and
what was kind of wired on a Friday and talking
to doctor Rose about not the cheeriest topics. I think
me then would have knocked me out and said, are
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you telling me that it's not all over? And that
seemed unbelievable. It really didn't make peace with God. And
I was like, whatever you need me to do, I'll
do it. And if this is how it goes, then
it goes. And I have to think about that every
once in a while that we somehow got to hear
and by no means is it good. But you do
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have to have a moment of that Ben Franklin moment
and go, hey, guys. Last year the strongest navy in
the world was getting ready to vaporize us. Pretty cool,
We're here, huh yeah, all right, focus got a long
way ahead of us, but it's we got this far,
and I do think you need And that's not blind optimism,
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that's not delusional positivity. It's the hell of anything. It's
proof in the pudding. It's God kind of looking at you, going, hey, man,
if I wasn't, if I didn't have you know, your
interest in my art, But I'll let this thing go,
Let this go along time. There's no reason I shouldn't
have this full election. They set up the you know,
a disinformation government, what was it, the Bureau of whatever.
(31:53):
They're like false information. You remember that three I forget
it is k cage. It is close to KGB. Yeah,
and you know it's mortartor open. And we're gonna raid
Trump's house with orders shoot to kill. We're gonna impeach them,
we're gonna arrest them, we're gonna shoot them. And you
shouldn't be able to get within a country mile of
a presidential candidate. And we're gonna have a guy in
(32:14):
the front row with a four thousand frame per second camera. Huh.
And then it goes through. There's no reason why this
shouldn't in all rationality, you run this computer program. It
would have device would have kept going. The elections would
have been more and more absurd, and slowly the lights
would go out as the censorship increased and gripped it
(32:35):
to death. And one by one you take out Trump,
you take out Musk for funding them, and then you
take out a rogue just to straight up kill a
rogan that took a Carlson slowly down the road, as
all communists healthscapes do, until you obliterate everything to the
right of now, and we're here. I was let back
(32:59):
on YouTube last week. God hasn't abandoned us. That does
not mean that things are not They don't give you
a bit of a panic attack when you realize how
dark it is. But we're in the schoolhouse. I'm saying like, hey, dude,
we thought we were all dead last year. Well why
(33:20):
do we get here? Well, I think that's just my
counter to the doom and gloe.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
No, I'm not dooming gloom. I know, I know. What
I'm saying is if you don't understand where you are,
you can't get to where you need to be correct. Correct.
You can't look around and say we won the election.
Everything's good. Absolutely not, because the same forces, the evil
forces that were behind the law fair against President Trump,
(33:47):
that were behind his assassination attempts, and there were more
than people know about, the same evil forces that were
behind the depth of Charlie Kirk. They're not stopping. They
can't because they understand one thing. If President Trump gets
the accurate information that is out there, he will act
(34:10):
on it and he will.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
End them their debt.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
And they can't afford that. Well, metaphorically, or otherwise. They
can't afford that because we as a nation, First and foremost,
my faith is in Jesus Christ, and I get excited
every day I wake up. I'm not doing this because
I need to continue along this line in my vocation.
(34:37):
I'm doing it because this is what I'm called to,
and obedience to Christ is where you're going to find
your true freedom. So when it gets bad and I
think things are really looking hopeless, it makes me excited
because that's when God shows up in the Bible, which
I believe is the written word of God, and the
(34:59):
Holy Spirit is what drives me, what moves through me.
I know that God doesn't use an army, He uses
a remnant. He can turn a remnant into an army.
He can put the right people in the right place
at the right time. But we also have to be
obedient to the call that we're all given. And I
(35:19):
believe President Trump was saved by God and no one else.
Can we block it here for a second, Can you
hit pause?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
YEA hold on, I got it and continuing recording after
some technical difficulties, got the President Trump is said by
God and God alone, he was I.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Mean President Trump turned his head at the right second
that you could not have timed any better, and the
Lord saved me. And from that moment, I really felt
like God has his hand on President Trump. But with
great with great gifting, comes great responsibility. And I believe
(36:03):
President Trump does the right thing, wants to do the
right thing. I just am concerned that from what I
saw on his first term, he had a lot of
people that prevented him from getting the right information. And
some of them were not bad people, They just were
(36:23):
quote protecting him from being inundated. And a lot of
good information that he could have gotten on what was
going on with the voting and a lot of other
things didn't get to him. Now, if you fast forward
to where we are now, the Lord says Trump, he's
back in office. I believe this is a time for
(36:45):
bold action, not reaction. We have a group that's reacting
to events instead of taking bold action to prevent events
from happening. The only way the president can do that
is if he gets the right information and if he
(37:08):
understands all of his authorities under Title fifty. Because I
believe the head of the snake lies in former members
of the intelligence community that are causing these problems. I
think the president is under an incredible amount of pressure.
He has great support from guys like jd Vance, who's
(37:28):
brilliant guy. He has Tulsi, he has Joe Kent, But
I think there's some people that he has that he
believes are helping him that aren't. And I guess I
would if I was speaking to the president, I would
I would just say something simple like, sir, I know
(37:49):
you want the Golden Age to come forward. You want
to go back to the time when America was great.
But America was great because America was good. We had
laws that told us what we can do, as de
Toepeful said, but we had morals that think us what
we failed.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I wasn't sure of this Topeville.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
And at the same time, as brilliant as President Trump is,
he can't make decisions if he doesn't have all the information.
I look at President Trump like I'll use this metaphorically
or in a parable imagine if you have ten million
dollars in your name, it's your money, and it's in
the bank. Only you can access this money, and it's
(38:31):
one hundred percent years no one can touch it. But
if you don't know what bank it's in if you
don't have the account number or a way to access
the account, you have ten million dollars, but it's useless.
That's Title fifty. That's where we are as a nation.
And President Reagan ran into a similar problem. And I
(38:55):
know about it because my boss in the intelligence world,
do we Clariage taught me about it. He told me
what happened when President Reagan came in after Jimmy Carter
and they were being undermined by a lot of folks
in the intelligence community at the time. But he brought
in Bill Casey, who was former OSS, and then he
(39:16):
had Alie North come in as his National Security advisor
and doing My boss was the deputy director for operations.
But more importantly, he was the go between for what
Reagan called the kitchen cabinet, and it was a group
of individuals that understood what was going on and gave
the President the questions to ask of the administration and
(39:40):
of the bureaucracy where they couldn't lie to him. They're
not going to give him the truth. But if President
Trump had a kitchen cabinet of former intelligence community members
and people that understand the process of the machine that
he's trying to get control of Then he could ask
the right questions and then get the correct answers, and
(40:03):
then he would know what to do. And there's precedent
for this. There's precedent for the Department of Justice to
go after seditious people. You just have to look back
at Aldrich Aimes. You just have to look back at
the Nicholson case. You have to look back. One of
my dearest friends was one of the main drivers in
(40:24):
the Nicholson case that from the agency that when Nicholson
was tried, and he understands all this, yet we can't
get him next to the president to explain to him.
So these are the tools you have, and this is
how you do it. The other thing is how to
get funded and how to move money into the right
intelligence groups. A lot of the folks that are in
there don't know the mechanisms. I mean, if you're steeped
(40:50):
in intelligence and you worked in the community a long time,
like say John Brennan, how's you know where all the
money is. You have the connections, and you could theoretically
be a really addicious guy and work with other former
members of the State Department intelligence community and undermine the
nation and quite frankly, I think that's what's happening, and
if we don't get a handle on that, I fear
(41:12):
for a country. Because it's been reported and I will
tell you it's one hundred percent true. There are thousands
of foreign troops intermingled in the inner cities, just waiting
to be activated. They're not going to look like troops,
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but they're with different ideological organizations or they're just frankly
working against the government. They're going to cause problems. I
think they're going to work with Antifa in conjunction. They're
going to cause major chaos in all the cities. I'm
concerned about our infrastructure. I know for a fact that
(41:52):
there are multiple EMPs, small EMPs that have been moved
into this country and that are being positioned, and we
even know some of the A couple of them have
already been tested, but no one I don't unless there's
something going on. I don't know which probably could be,
and I pray there is. We're not able to stop
it right now. You have drones here, drone operators here.
(42:14):
You have the largest Iranian embassy in the world is
in Mexico City, which is amazing because Mexico doesn't do
any commerce with Iran, yet the largest Iranian embassy in
the world is there. I wonder if that Iranian embassy
is talking to their mission in New York City and
they have certain military warfighters from their military here in
(42:41):
this country. I wonder if that happens. I wonder if
they got in by cartels. I wonder if a lot
of our border patrol agents that have been working the
borders for years at the major choke points are receiving
money from the cartels. Then I'm not judging them. I'm
just saying, I wonder if that's happening. I wonder if
people are crossing the border. We know we are, we
(43:01):
know people have we know there's twelve million people that
probably came across the border during Biden's time, and we
don't know who the majority of them are. And we're
kidding ourselves if we think we've caught them all. So
we're at a we're at a We're at a real
tipping point in our nation. We're at a point where
(43:22):
it's going to take God's grace and I and I
know that for us to move ahead. But there is
a group of people that can help the president. The
problem is it's a group that people around him won't
let talk to me. And that's unfortunate because at the
end of the day, he's going to need an outside
(43:46):
in solution to re establish understanding inside the intelligence community
and also to get him the information to make the decisions.
I follow the Constitution, I try us and God, and
my job is to get my president the information. It's
not to tell him what to do, but if you ask,
(44:07):
I can give him advice. That's what my boss did
for Reagan, and that's what I believe the president can do.
But we're in tough times. I mean, Charlie Kirk's death
is not a small thing. Charlie was one of my
dearest friends. I was at his wedding. I knew Charlie
before he was known by a lot of people. And
(44:28):
the reason Charlie had such an impact on the world,
not just here in the United States, is because Charlie
was what we need in our government today. He wasn't
just good doing, he was good being. He was exactly
who he said he was. Charlie was committed to honoring
(44:52):
God first and speaking the truth, and his legacy will
outlive us all. That's what we need again, and I
think with his assassination and his funeral was such a
call out to the Lord. Whether people were sincere or not,
it was still the name of Jesus was proclaimed. And
(45:13):
I believe if President Trump gets the right information and
recognizes that, you know, God rules in the affairs of men,
has been frankly said, then I think our best days
are ahead of us. If not, I think we're going
to go through some wilderness, difficult.
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Speaker 2 (04:12):
You first came on here, I believe in twenty twenty one,
during the height of the COVID hysteria, your background in
the military as well is going becoming a doctor and
your podcast, the Scalpel, and we've talked about this, that
and the other thing all over the years, and I
don't know what it was when I texted you, I
just something just popped in my head and I was like,
I haven't talked to him forever, So I just figured
(04:34):
out fingure and You're like, yeah, let's do it. So
but you know, kind of on the same lines of
the shows have done recently with Baz and then Dale
and all these guys about you know, it's no it's
no secret that you know, everyone's saying it during the
by administration, who's coming over the border. And you know,
we we saw in his first administration just how rotted
(04:56):
through the institution's arc. We saw specifically with COVID, CDC FDA.
We'll strapolate that too to military and intelligence and critical
infrastructure and whatnot. And I think anyone to brain cells
can piece together open news, not even classified, just like, yeah,
it's not the machine is in a it's not entirely
under the control of the operator, and probably worse now
(05:21):
than before. And I guess the I don't know the
brain surgery is is how do you it's not you
can't just see amputated. It's it's a brain, it's not
a limb. How do you go in and remove it
without killing the patient, without driving the patient saying et cetera,
and so on so on on that cheery topic, I'm
gonna hand it over to you, doctor Books.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well, first of all, my primary background is in intelligence. Okay,
but being a surgeon, I can tell you when you
have a problem, the first thing you have to do
is diagnose the problem. You have to understand what the
problem is.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And we can use that metaphor for what you kind
of brought it up, what we're doing today and what's
going on in our nation, because I believe we have
almost determinal diagnosis for our republic at this time.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And it's one of those things, like anything in health,
it didn't happen overnight. You know, people that make bad
choices in their life, whether it's with their diet, their
lack of exercise, what they eat, medicines they took, or
even drugs that they took, illegal drugs. You know, everything
has consequences down the line if you don't do the
(06:34):
basic things you're supposed to do to stay physically healthy
as well as to keep a nation healthy. And the
interesting thing, I've been spending a lot of time on
this lately, and I went back and read, and I
have it sitting here on my desk, George Washington's farewell address,
all right, and if I would highly recommend people go
back and read that. It's written in a very verbose way,
(06:57):
in the way people spoke back then in English. But
to just boil it down to its simplest component, Washington
states that, look, we've got this great republic that we've
put together and fought hard for. It's a republic that
was built based on faith in God, virtue in the
(07:21):
principles and Judeo Christian principles, and a commitment to posterity,
which means something bigger than yourself. I would say, all
of those three things we have gotten away from so
much in the past, well, really the past one hundred years,
(07:43):
but this past thirty years it's been on steroids. We've
gotten away from number one, understanding the republic that was
handed down to us, keeping it with virtuous people, people
that understand that they need to pledge their lives, their fortune,
and their sacred honor, and that they're doing that for posterity,
meaning our children and our grandchildren. Nowadays, we have people
(08:07):
that get elected that do it to enrich their lives,
to make a fortune and be called your honor, and
they do it for prosperity, not posterity. And Washington warned
against this. He said, if you got rid of virtue,
and it doesn't mean you're perfect, but if you got
(08:28):
rid of a moral compass as a nation in your leadership,
then it would open the door for people to get
more into themselves or self serving principles, i e. They
could be bribed by foreign influence, or they would make
decisions based on being popular or being controlled financially or
(08:51):
other ways by a smaller group that didn't have the
nation's welfare in mind. And so if you look at
if we say that in the United States is the patient,
and you look at our patient today. We came from
a great start after the Revolutionary War. We were given
(09:12):
a structure of a government that had never been done before.
Our founding fathers knew that. That's why they said, you know,
in the constitutional conventions, why they fought, It's why they argued.
And to Washington, George, I mean Benjamin Franklin stood up
when everyone was getting ready to go home and we
were just going to fail in that hot schoolhouse and
said his famous speech, and I don't remember it for
(09:33):
word in paraphrasing, he said, look, we have the blessed
opportunity to be standing here today and fighting with each
other to form a country. We're mere less than a
year ago. We were at war with the greatest army
and navy in the world. And he said, we met
(09:55):
in this building every day, we prayed to God all
and he said our prayers were heard and they were
graciously answered. And he said we so they defeated them.
And he's saying, now we have this opportunity today to
form a government. And he said, we looked back throughout history,
(10:17):
in the past and currently at all governments and found
none of them suitable for our needs. For each his
words sowed seeds of dissolution, meaning you know, they just
eventually cratered on themselves. And the founders were wise, and
he said, so we came to this building every day
and prayed to win the war. And he goes, have
(10:39):
we forgotten our special friend? He's talking about God? He goes,
or do we feel we no longer need him? Because
if a sparrow cannot fall in the forest without his notice,
can a nation rise without his consent? And so he
literally recommended they go home and spend days in prayer
and fasting and then come back. And everyone did it.
(11:01):
When they came back, they formed the Bicarmal legislation, the government.
We have a constitutional republic. And that's why the famous
line from Ben Franklin. When they were leaving the building
after forming the government, the lady I believe her name
was Powell, miss Powell, asking do we have a government,
and he says, you have a republic, madam, if you
(11:24):
can keep it. So with that is the context and background,
fast forward to where we are today. If we can
keep it, I would tell you that we have gone.
We have strayed so far from our founding principles.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I e.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Are Judeo Christian principles. Understanding the morality and the type
of virtue it took to build this country, and we've
gotten so far away from prosperity, from posterity, and also
we really looked at was prosperity. And so what does
that look like now, Well, it looks like like the
(12:01):
election of Barack Obama. Back in two thousand and eight.
When Obama came in, he said, we are the change
we've been waiting for, and he did exactly what he
said he was going to do. He acted like a
Marxist socialist on steroids. He created division. I mean, you've
(12:22):
got to realize we were founded on Judeo Christian principles.
Those principles are about unity, they are about patriotism, they're
not about division. But we started being divided by principles
that you can't change skin color stecks. And then after Obama,
we had a brief respit with President Trump, but all
(12:45):
the people that he had put in place for so
long in the bureaucracy never let Trump really get his
legs underneath him. He did some great things, but we
never really dealt with the root problem. And then when
Biden came in, it just got ten timesse And so
where we find ourselves as a nation today is we
have a large tumor called the United States government that's
(13:10):
metastasized to a size where it only has one goal,
and that's to keep and maintain power inside of bureaucracy,
and it is so large that it's become ineffective. A
lot of business owners and entrepreneurs will tell you that
(13:31):
if you look at hedge funds, they say, if you
have under a yearly arians are under two hundred million,
you can drive revenue better. They're more successful. But if
you get over two hundred million, your company grows excessively.
The amount of profit you make usually is cut in
half because of the bureaucracy. And I mean, I'm not
(13:54):
an economics major, but it's it's a pretty sound principle.
What's the same way with the country as you grow.
We have gone from a country where people went to
office to solve problems to a nation that has politicians
that create problems that can't be solved to spend more
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money on the unsolvable problem. So the bureaucracy can grow
because it's not about what you fix, it's about the
budget and what you get out of the bill financially
for yourself. Or your constituents for the government. And again,
(14:36):
the founders Washington talked about this. They put stopgaps, break
glass things in the constitution, and we slowly, overtime have
had men step into peer positions of power with no virtue.
And these unvirtuous men had removed those stop gaps they've had,
(14:57):
They've either remove them or put people in positions that
will not trigger them. And so it's a long run
for short slide what I'm telling you, But where we
are today as a nation, we're a sick patient and
we're sick. And I would say the root cause of
our sickness and the root cause of all the problems
we're facing can pretty much be traced to where I'm
(15:21):
from the intelligence community. Because the American people writ large
are a moral, virtuous people in the aggregate, in the
corporate Now there's outliers on both sides, but most of
them have a moral compass and understand they have this DNA.
(15:43):
They want to be free, they don't want an oversized government.
They believe in meritocracy, and that's what our founders believed
in a meritocracy. And so what happened is when President
Obama came inside all the overt public policy changes he made.
(16:04):
He put someone in charge first of all, at CTC,
the Center for Counter Terrorism, by the name of John Brennan.
John Brennan, if you remember, voted for Gus Hall back
in nineteen seventy six to president, so he literally voted
for the Communist Party back in nineteen seventy six. He
somehow made it into the CIA, where he failed out
(16:25):
of the operations course a little not well known fact,
and went to work for the Directorate of Intelligence as
far as the d side, the analytical side. Now I'm
not taking anything away from John. He is a brilliant guy,
and anyone's a fool not to recognize that this guy
is smart. But President Obama put him in an about
(16:47):
communist in the CTC, and Brennan started what I believe
was a long march through the intelligence community to set
promotions and hire people and to drive out those that
didn't agree with him ideologically or with his vision of
what this country should be. And so after Obama's first term,
(17:10):
when he was elected again, he made John Brennan Director
of Central Intelligence. So he's the top guy you've talked
about title fifty for an intelligence He was the guy
in charge of it all, and he controlled promotions and
what case officers were promoted, what programs were kept, what
programs weren't kept for the next four years. So that's
(17:33):
eight years of him controlling all the promotions, all the
advancement inside the intelligence community. And he had Clapper working
hand in hand with him inside the d and I
the Director of National Intelligence. So you have people that
don't have the country's best interest at heart working for
(17:54):
a subversive side of our government controlling the diligence community.
Now why is that important. Well, during Brennan's tenure, he
stopped all He canceled the knock program, the non official
cover program, which is essential for I don't know, spying
and doing great work. He got rid of the requirement
(18:18):
to recruit assets as a requirement for promotion, so you
can be promoted inside this group inside the CIA without
recruiting other spies, which is really part of your mandate
what you're supposed to do. So he went to do
he was working there, and then you know, you had
James Coney, You had all the folks that were working
(18:41):
inside the FBI decaying our intelligence abilities here inside the
United States. And these people also had their hands on
the lever of the Patriot Act, and so that they started.
I mean, you can look up Smith Munt and all.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
The way they pushed the.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Propaganda to all these folks and made it legal for
the government to pay to propagandize the United The people
of the United States are the citizens. And please understand,
intelligence is not just that we sneak over there and
blow up stuff. Intelligence is something we do called information operations,
(19:24):
your covert action, where you control the flow of information
to manipulate policy or events. And that's called the covert action.
Now you don't do it in your own country, but
that's essentially what they did. So when you had these
leaks come out, and when you had what happened that
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Crossfire hurricane, that was all a covert action run by
the intelligence services against President Trump. And then after President
Trump left office, after being impeached twice and all the
harassment he got, and he was a great president, he
never really got a handle on the bureaucracy.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
And the people that were actually making the decisions on
who was to hire.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
If you remember a guy named Peter Stroke when he
was with the FBI when Trump came into office, and
Stroke was demoted. He was moved to head up HR
at the FBI, so he was involved in hiring. It's
the deep state knows how to hide. They know how
to keep the president from understanding what's going on, because
(20:36):
if he doesn't ask the right question, they're not going
to give him an answer if they're working against him.
So and I'm going to at the end of this,
I'll tell you how I think it can be fixed
and the way I've seen it fixed. So you have
all the subversive elements in the intelligence community. You have
Trump in there that made some good progress. But I
(20:58):
can tell you I was down in Central America and
watched the State Department put caravans together to come migrants
to come north during the Trump presidency, and he didn't
know anything about it. So in the State Department and
a lot of the again they're kind of an overtentacle
of the intelligence world. And then you had USAID, which
(21:19):
we now know funded a lot of the stuff. And
you got to remember, in the intelligence community, you have
all the banking relationships, all the black funds, the funds
that even Congress can't see, and you have all the
connections to your intelligent sources around the world. And I'm
not trying to be all over the place, but I'll
give you an example. President Trump came in and did
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the travel ban. We all remember that, and then they
you had all this propaganda come out and say, oh,
he's banning people coming from Muslim countries. That's not what
he did, but that's what people said. You had CNN
waiting there for people to land and be told they
couldn't stay. Well, a travel goes into place by the
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intelligence community. The president. Had he known this, He wasn't
told because the way to do this was removed before
he got into office, because the travel band and a
lot of presidential orders were in what we call the
national security safes. These are safes that have these orders
(22:23):
and the paperwork goes in and it's updated every time
there's an order, and it's kept in the White House
in the West Wing in safes file cabinets that are safes.
Those says had been moved to Obama's library prior to
President Trump taking office, So when he instituted a travel ban,
he couldn't go back and look at the previous structure
of the travel ban, and no one told him exactly
(22:45):
how you do it, because he should have called in
his director of Central Intelligence and told him to call
the countries where they're going to have to institute the band,
not because of the large Muslim population, but countries that
were unable to vet the people and who could not
tell us whether they were terrorists or not that were
coming to this country. He was correct in what he
(23:08):
wanted to do, but he didn't have people serving him
that knew how to do it, and that would have
started with the intelligence community. They would have gotten on
the phone, called the embassies in these said countries. He
would have had another part of the intelligence community crafting
him the information that he would get out to the
American people to explain to them, I'm not banning these
(23:29):
people because they're Muslims. I'm banning them because their own
countries don't know if they're safe or not, and so
there's no explanation of why they do something, and that
comes from the intelligence community. And when there's no explanation,
they also set him up for failure by leaking out
and having reporters waiting at the airport when people came.
(23:52):
All of this could have been mitigated had he had
an intelligence community that were doing their job and working
with him, had barackled and not taken the National Security
Safe to his library for four or five years, and
had someone known in that he had his Title fifty briefing,
both the overt and classified briefing, to know that, Okay,
(24:13):
I'm going to go pull the last travel order, adjust
it to my standards in conjunction with my advisors from
the intelligence community that are working along the constitutional lines
supporting my administration. That's how it should have gone. And
that was in the beginning of his administration, and it
just went downhill from there. And my concern right now
(24:35):
is we have not addressed the elephant in the room,
and that's the intelligence community is not working for the
president at large. It's being controlled, I believe by outside influence. Now,
there are good people inside the intelligence community. Tulsey Gabbard,
great person, Joe Kent, great person. You have good officers
(24:58):
in there, a few, but you have a lot of
the leadership that either by omission, coercion, or just corruption
or self serving ideas, that are not working to support
this president. And because of that, we find ourselves where
we are now, and that is exposed as a nation
(25:22):
from having essentially twelve years of open borders and having
an intelligence community that I believe and I have reason
to believe this. The information that they're receiving is not
getting to the president so that he can make and
the decision makers so they can make the decisions they
need to make. So again, go back to George Washington's morning.
(25:48):
If you have people that do not have a moral
structure in their heart, in their lives, and an understanding
of virtue meaning they do the right thing, then you
get where we are now, where you have corrupt individuals
working to undermine the republic, whether it's for self serving
reasons ideological reasons. You are here right now. You know
(26:13):
that big when you go to a big amusement park
or six Flags or wherever you go, and you look
at the sign, you go, I don't know where I am,
and this says you are here. This is where we
are as a nation. We are here. We are here
as a nation where I believe sixty to seventy percent
of the active personnel inside the intelligence community you're not
(26:35):
supporting the president and his agenda and either or not
giving him the information that they know he needs, or
just not working for him. They don't what is their
mission statement? What are they doing? You know, we've had
a lot of things happen that we're seeing happen that
we all warned about in twenty sixteen during the first
(26:57):
term crossfire, hurricane, you know, the Russian collusion hoax, and
it's all being shown true. And that's all anyone's talking about.
But is anyone asking the question did it ever stop?
Is it still going on? Because it is, of course,
And you had bos on your show in Pete Chambers
while back, and they talked to you about shoulder launched
(27:19):
missiles coming into the United States and those were interreddicted.
I understand. I can tell you since that time, we've
had an exponential amount of equipment cross our borders and
come into this country. This is equipment that the American
taxpayer paid for to go to Ukraine, that was sold
by Zelenski administration to the cartels and then moved back
(27:42):
across the border here. So my question to you is
why is that happening? Are they moving it here to sell?
Now they're you moving it here to use? And we
have a large contingency of you can call them al
Qaeda and and cuts force, Chinese military personnel, cartel personnel
(28:07):
that have had an open border for four years and
really longer. You have an intelligence community that is being
manipulated and run by folks that are formerly heads of
the community, I believe, and you don't have enough people
that understand what is happening. They're basically fighting a rear
(28:28):
guard gorilla war inside in this country, inside the administration,
with people that don't understand the diagnosis of what's happening,
who's attacking them, and what they can do about it.
So I'm very concerned for the nation right now.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
As well as you should be. None of that really
seems like a surprise to me. I guess the one
thing I personally try to focus on is kind of
which about Ben Franklin. Were we not here a year
ago praying to get through And as as bad as
things seem, and not just seem as they objectively are,
(29:10):
I just my own life in the life of this podcast.
I just looked back to four years ago, three years ago,
two years ago, one year ago, and how I mean,
I really didn't think it was going to keep going.
I was like, any day now, like it's you're gonna
get no knocked and that'll be it. And they're they're
censoring left, right and center, and you know, up until
(29:30):
last summer and they try to blow his head off,
and even then I was like, there's no way they're not.
They're gonna let this thing go through. And every day
when I get anxious or get a little you know,
depressed or apathetic, you know, I pray and you can almost,
you know, as anyone with a relationship of God knows
stuff that you hear it in your head. But it's
almost when I go a year ago. If I could go,
(29:54):
let's go, yeah, if I could go a year ago
to what October tenth, zap real quick, go back and
see me and then and me them would be so
freaked out, and I'd be like, hey, they don't kill
him yet. He won the election but went off without
a hitch in January twentieth. We're not in nuclear war
(30:17):
and we're moving forward. I don't think i'd believe me.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I think I would say that that's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
And I think if that me looked forward to me
and said, well, what are you concerned about? And I go, well,
it's Friday. It's kind of the end of a long week.
I had a bunch of chores to do, and and
what was kind of wired on a Friday and talking
to doctor Rose about not the cheeriest topics. I think
me then would have knocked me out and said, are
(30:44):
you telling me that it's not all over? And that
seemed unbelievable. It really didn't make peace with God. And
I was like, whatever you need me to do, I'll
do it. And if this is how it goes, then
it goes. And I have to think about that every
once in a while that we somehow got to hear
and by no means is it good. But you do
(31:07):
have to have a moment of that Ben Franklin moment
and go, hey, guys. Last year the strongest navy in
the world was getting ready to vaporize us. Pretty cool,
We're here, huh yeah, all right, focus got a long
way ahead of us, but it's we got this far,
and I do think you need And that's not blind optimism,
(31:29):
that's not delusional positivity. It's the hell of anything. It's
proof in the pudding. It's God kind of looking at you, going, hey, man,
if I wasn't, if I didn't have you know, your
interest in my art, But I'll let this thing go,
Let this go along time. There's no reason I shouldn't
have this full election. They set up the you know,
a disinformation government, what was it, the Bureau of whatever.
(31:53):
They're like false information. You remember that three I forget
it is k cage. It is close to KGB. Yeah,
and you know it's mortartor open. And we're gonna raid
Trump's house with orders shoot to kill. We're gonna impeach them,
we're gonna arrest them, we're gonna shoot them. And you
shouldn't be able to get within a country mile of
a presidential candidate. And we're gonna have a guy in
(32:14):
the front row with a four thousand frame per second camera. Huh.
And then it goes through. There's no reason why this
shouldn't in all rationality, you run this computer program. It
would have device would have kept going. The elections would
have been more and more absurd, and slowly the lights
would go out as the censorship increased and gripped it
(32:35):
to death. And one by one you take out Trump,
you take out Musk for funding them, and then you
take out a rogue just to straight up kill a
rogan that took a Carlson slowly down the road, as
all communists healthscapes do, until you obliterate everything to the
right of now, and we're here. I was let back
(32:59):
on YouTube last week. God hasn't abandoned us. That does
not mean that things are not They don't give you
a bit of a panic attack when you realize how
dark it is. But we're in the schoolhouse. I'm saying like, hey, dude,
we thought we were all dead last year. Well why
(33:20):
do we get here? Well, I think that's just my
counter to the doom and gloe.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
No, I'm not dooming gloom. I know, I know. What
I'm saying is if you don't understand where you are,
you can't get to where you need to be correct. Correct.
You can't look around and say we won the election.
Everything's good. Absolutely not, because the same forces, the evil
forces that were behind the law fair against President Trump,
(33:47):
that were behind his assassination attempts, and there were more
than people know about, the same evil forces that were
behind the depth of Charlie Kirk. They're not stopping. They
can't because they understand one thing. If President Trump gets
the accurate information that is out there, he will act
(34:10):
on it and he will.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
End them their debt.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
And they can't afford that. Well, metaphorically, or otherwise. They
can't afford that because we as a nation, First and foremost,
my faith is in Jesus Christ, and I get excited
every day I wake up. I'm not doing this because
I need to continue along this line in my vocation.
(34:37):
I'm doing it because this is what I'm called to,
and obedience to Christ is where you're going to find
your true freedom. So when it gets bad and I
think things are really looking hopeless, it makes me excited
because that's when God shows up in the Bible, which
I believe is the written word of God, and the
(34:59):
Holy Spirit is what drives me, what moves through me.
I know that God doesn't use an army, He uses
a remnant. He can turn a remnant into an army.
He can put the right people in the right place
at the right time. But we also have to be
obedient to the call that we're all given. And I
(35:19):
believe President Trump was saved by God and no one else.
Can we block it here for a second, Can you
hit pause?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
YEA hold on, I got it and continuing recording after
some technical difficulties, got the President Trump is said by
God and God alone, he was I.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Mean President Trump turned his head at the right second
that you could not have timed any better, and the
Lord saved me. And from that moment, I really felt
like God has his hand on President Trump. But with
great with great gifting, comes great responsibility. And I believe
(36:03):
President Trump does the right thing, wants to do the
right thing. I just am concerned that from what I
saw on his first term, he had a lot of
people that prevented him from getting the right information. And
some of them were not bad people, They just were
(36:23):
quote protecting him from being inundated. And a lot of
good information that he could have gotten on what was
going on with the voting and a lot of other
things didn't get to him. Now, if you fast forward
to where we are now, the Lord says Trump, he's
back in office. I believe this is a time for
(36:45):
bold action, not reaction. We have a group that's reacting
to events instead of taking bold action to prevent events
from happening. The only way the president can do that
is if he gets the right information and if he
(37:08):
understands all of his authorities under Title fifty. Because I
believe the head of the snake lies in former members
of the intelligence community that are causing these problems. I
think the president is under an incredible amount of pressure.
He has great support from guys like jd Vance, who's
(37:28):
brilliant guy. He has Tulsi, he has Joe Kent, But
I think there's some people that he has that he
believes are helping him that aren't. And I guess I
would if I was speaking to the president, I would
I would just say something simple like, sir, I know
(37:49):
you want the Golden Age to come forward. You want
to go back to the time when America was great.
But America was great because America was good. We had
laws that told us what we can do, as de
Toepeful said, but we had morals that think us what
we failed.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I wasn't sure of this Topeville.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
And at the same time, as brilliant as President Trump is,
he can't make decisions if he doesn't have all the information.
I look at President Trump like I'll use this metaphorically
or in a parable imagine if you have ten million
dollars in your name, it's your money, and it's in
the bank. Only you can access this money, and it's
(38:31):
one hundred percent years no one can touch it. But
if you don't know what bank it's in if you
don't have the account number or a way to access
the account, you have ten million dollars, but it's useless.
That's Title fifty. That's where we are as a nation.
And President Reagan ran into a similar problem. And I
(38:55):
know about it because my boss in the intelligence world,
do we Clariage taught me about it. He told me
what happened when President Reagan came in after Jimmy Carter
and they were being undermined by a lot of folks
in the intelligence community at the time. But he brought
in Bill Casey, who was former OSS, and then he
(39:16):
had Alie North come in as his National Security advisor
and doing My boss was the deputy director for operations.
But more importantly, he was the go between for what
Reagan called the kitchen cabinet, and it was a group
of individuals that understood what was going on and gave
the President the questions to ask of the administration and
(39:40):
of the bureaucracy where they couldn't lie to him. They're
not going to give him the truth. But if President
Trump had a kitchen cabinet of former intelligence community members
and people that understand the process of the machine that
he's trying to get control of Then he could ask
the right questions and then get the correct answers, and
(40:03):
then he would know what to do. And there's precedent
for this. There's precedent for the Department of Justice to
go after seditious people. You just have to look back
at Aldrich Aimes. You just have to look back at
the Nicholson case. You have to look back. One of
my dearest friends was one of the main drivers in
(40:24):
the Nicholson case that from the agency that when Nicholson
was tried, and he understands all this, yet we can't
get him next to the president to explain to him.
So these are the tools you have, and this is
how you do it. The other thing is how to
get funded and how to move money into the right
intelligence groups. A lot of the folks that are in
there don't know the mechanisms. I mean, if you're steeped
(40:50):
in intelligence and you worked in the community a long time,
like say John Brennan, how's you know where all the
money is. You have the connections, and you could theoretically
be a really addicious guy and work with other former
members of the State Department intelligence community and undermine the
nation and quite frankly, I think that's what's happening, and
if we don't get a handle on that, I fear
(41:12):
for a country. Because it's been reported and I will
tell you it's one hundred percent true. There are thousands
of foreign troops intermingled in the inner cities, just waiting
to be activated. They're not going to look like troops,
(41:32):
but they're with different ideological organizations or they're just frankly
working against the government. They're going to cause problems. I
think they're going to work with Antifa in conjunction. They're
going to cause major chaos in all the cities. I'm
concerned about our infrastructure. I know for a fact that
(41:52):
there are multiple EMPs, small EMPs that have been moved
into this country and that are being positioned, and we
even know some of the A couple of them have
already been tested, but no one I don't unless there's
something going on. I don't know which probably could be,
and I pray there is. We're not able to stop
it right now. You have drones here, drone operators here.
(42:14):
You have the largest Iranian embassy in the world is
in Mexico City, which is amazing because Mexico doesn't do
any commerce with Iran, yet the largest Iranian embassy in
the world is there. I wonder if that Iranian embassy
is talking to their mission in New York City and
they have certain military warfighters from their military here in
(42:41):
this country. I wonder if that happens. I wonder if
they got in by cartels. I wonder if a lot
of our border patrol agents that have been working the
borders for years at the major choke points are receiving
money from the cartels. Then I'm not judging them. I'm
just saying, I wonder if that's happening. I wonder if
people are crossing the border. We know we are, we
(43:01):
know people have we know there's twelve million people that
probably came across the border during Biden's time, and we
don't know who the majority of them are. And we're
kidding ourselves if we think we've caught them all. So
we're at a we're at a We're at a real
tipping point in our nation. We're at a point where
(43:22):
it's going to take God's grace and I and I
know that for us to move ahead. But there is
a group of people that can help the president. The
problem is it's a group that people around him won't
let talk to me. And that's unfortunate because at the
end of the day, he's going to need an outside
(43:46):
in solution to re establish understanding inside the intelligence community
and also to get him the information to make the decisions.
I follow the Constitution, I try us and God, and
my job is to get my president the information. It's
not to tell him what to do, but if you ask,
(44:07):
I can give him advice. That's what my boss did
for Reagan, and that's what I believe the president can do.
But we're in tough times. I mean, Charlie Kirk's death
is not a small thing. Charlie was one of my
dearest friends. I was at his wedding. I knew Charlie
before he was known by a lot of people. And
(44:28):
the reason Charlie had such an impact on the world,
not just here in the United States, is because Charlie
was what we need in our government today. He wasn't
just good doing, he was good being. He was exactly
who he said he was. Charlie was committed to honoring
(44:52):
God first and speaking the truth, and his legacy will
outlive us all. That's what we need again, and I
think with his assassination and his funeral was such a
call out to the Lord. Whether people were sincere or not,
it was still the name of Jesus was proclaimed. And
(45:13):
I believe if President Trump gets the right information and
recognizes that, you know, God rules in the affairs of men,
has been frankly said, then I think our best days
are ahead of us. If not, I think we're going
to go through some wilderness, difficult.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
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