Episode 221 -- Larry Pollard on Surviving a Basal Skull Fracture, Learning to Live Again

In the third and final installment of our interview with Larry Pollard, he talks about the up-and-down world of being a NASCAR Busch Series race-car driver. He WINS … but finds himself in and out of a couple of rides.

And THAT was before he became one of a very few people in the sport to survive a devastating basal skull fracture, an injury he sustained while filling in for his injured then-father-in-law, Harry Gant.

He takes us through the painful and frustrating journey to becoming Larry Pollard again, as well as the enjoyment he finds now in building gears for Late Model racers across the country.

Co-hosts Rick Houston and Steve Waid then take a long look at the August 13, 1987 issue of Grand National Scene. Rusty Wallace is forced to the pits for a VERY late splash of gas, but still scores the win at Watkins Glen. Larry Pollard wins the Busch Series race at Langley Speedway, but you could barely tell it from the coverage the event received in this issue.

The hauler carrying Davey Allison’s cars and three crew members was involved in a serious accident as it neared Watkins Glen. Dale Earnhardt and Bill Elliott show up on NBC’s The Today Show, but Dale isn’t very happy with how it turned out.

AND … "Pappy" Tom Higgins celebrates his 50th birthday!

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Episode Transcript

(00:03):
Hello, my name is Rick Houstonand welcome to the Scene Bought podcast,
your source for all things NASCAR history, presented by Las Vegas Motor Speedway,
America's racing show place. A lotof us have had days of skull frashers
and some of us having survived andsome of us have It's a horrible deal.

(00:23):
It's a mind changing deal. Howlong was it or you felt like
Larry Pollard again, I would sayprobably the Larry Pollard that my wife liked
was probably four years. I wasprobably pretty ugly to live with for three
because you're still just parping on ymeet. Life is good. Are we

(00:48):
rich? No, we're not rich, but we're doing We like every morning
I go in, I turned thelight switch on. I want to be
there and that to me is awin. The day NASCAR and all of
us associated it anyway with NASCAR,forget it's past. Yes, today we
don't have any future. Hello everyone, I'm Steve Wade and my name is

(01:12):
Rick Houston, and welcome to theSame Bought Podcast, presented by Las Vegas
Motor Speedway, America's racing show place. In a track that truly cares about
NASCAR history and last week Jordan Bianchifrom the Athletic came up with a pretty
major scoop and it most definitely hada just a wee little bit to do

(01:33):
with NASCAR history. Steve, Yeah, Jimmy Johnson has bought into Petty GMS
Racing and will run a handful ofNASCAR Cup events next season with that team.
How about that? That is greatnews, not only for Jimmy and
for the fans, and also Ithink Rick, poor Petty. So you

(01:55):
have seven time champion Richard Petty,you have seven time champion Jimmy Johnson.
How bad that? And you've gotMarie Gallagher as owners of that organization.
Now, I do not know whatthe organizational politics might or might not be,
but how perfect would it be ifDell Earnhardt Junior ran a race or

(02:19):
two for Petty GMS Racing, ormaybe even put Jeffrey Earnhardt and Nick Sfinnity
or Truck rod Well. I tellyou that's an intriguing proposition, Rick,
no doubt about it. I couldreally see the fans are going for that,
couldn't you. Can you imagine thediecast that would be the diecast that
would be sold off of that dealwould fund the same Vault podcast for years.

(02:45):
Absolutely, I can see the dollarsigns right now in your eyes,
Rick Steve. This week, inour first segment, we're gonna share the
third and final installment of our interviewwith Larry Pollard, and this week he
talks about the up and down worldof being a NASCAR Bush Series race car
driver. He wins a race,but nevertheless finds himself in and out of

(03:07):
a couple of rods, and thatwas before he became one of a very
few people in the sport to survivea devastating basil skull fracture, an injury
that he sustained while filling in forhis injured then father in law, Harry
Gain and survive is the key wordhere, because, as you well know,

(03:28):
Rick, a basil skull fracture isnot always survival ball. Larry takes
us through the painful and obviously frustratingjourney to becoming Larry Pollard again, as
well as the enjoyment that he findsnow in building gears for late model racers
across the country. Then, inour second segment, we're going to go

(03:50):
back to the August thirteenth, nineteeneighty seven issue of Grand National Scene Rusty
Wallace is forced to the pits fora late splash of gas. And when
I say it was late, Steve, it was late about. But he
still scores the win at Watkins Land. Larry Pollard wins the Bush Series race

(04:11):
at Langley Speedway. But you couldbarely tell it from the coverage that event
received in this issue. Well thatwas before we had a Bush Series editor.
What have you got to say foryourself, Laide, not a thing.
The hauler carrying Davey Allison's cars andthree crew members was involved in a
serious accident as it neared Watkins Land. That weekend deal Earnhardt and Bill Elliott

(04:35):
shows up on NBC's The Today Show, but dell isn't very happy with how
it turned out. No, hewas not. He thought the announcer for
The Today Show didn't really know racingor what to talk about. And you
may or may not remember this forwhatever reason, Steve tom Higgins celebrates his

(04:58):
fiftieth birthday at Watkins Glenn Rick.I do remember it, and it is
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owner of the same brand. Nowyou start racing again and you're going

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to do all the tracks, andyou're running laps and running races, and
everything. How did you and MikeAlexander get to be friends? Hung bodies
for and you had to make aliving. You certainly couldn't make a living,
you know, race car back then, you know what I mean.

(06:57):
So we just and we started racingtogether. We just were buddies. So
just I don't know what it was. It's sometime. We just started talking
about something to hit it off.And we're still buddies. We still call
each other every three or four weeks, you know. Just then when we
got hurt. Mike got hurt atthe snowball and I got hurt at Dover,
the the head injury, the everythingwas really really close. So we

(07:24):
helped each other through that deal.You know, he had some he had
a tough time with it. Idid too, And we always could call
each other and just what are youfeeling? What are you what are you
doing to feel that way? Howdo you get over this? You know,
I mean the resentment, the madness. Yeah, and just you know,

(07:46):
you're going along and you're you're makingthe stepping stones, You're getting to
run a little better every deal youget into and then bam, lights are
out and you feel like you've beencheated. But you can't. Because we
both survived and are able to keepgoing way better than a lot of people
can keep going. And so wegot to be blessed, you know what

(08:07):
I mean. And and he helpedme, and I think I helped him
with that whole process. You gothooked up with Hubert and Jeff Hensley at
the start of the eighty seventh seasonand then that August you go to Langley,
Larry Pearson leads the first one hundredand fifty four laps and then you
took over for the final forty sixand you won. Wow. How big

(08:33):
a deal was that to you?Personally? Wow? That was Yeah,
that was pretty big. That wasbig. Again, didn't know how big
it was until a little while later, because you think of just part of
it and you're supposed to win.You know, if you don't win,
your disappointed. But if you win, well you did what you're supposed to
do. That was kind of theattitude, right, Yeah. But Joe

(08:54):
Tricing there and Hubert and Jeff,all the guys that kind of been with
us for about two years. Alot of the guys from Anderson Webb come
up and helped us on the crewin the car. So it was a
pretty neat deal, you know.So then to be the first foreign bond
driver to win in a Bush GroundNational race, I thought that was cool.

(09:16):
Yeah, there was a lot ofthere's a lot of a lot of
spinoffs on that deal. How didyou wind up with Howard Thomas for the
start of the eighty eighth season?Truth? Again, we were at martin
Zie the last race member when martinZeil was the last race of the Bush
Series driving Hubert and Jeff Stuffs andI just love them two guys too,

(09:41):
I still do. I I thinkwe had a heck of a good relationship,
you know, we just we workedgood together. Hubert was with one
of them guys that in practice hehad one of the fastest stop watches anybody,
and he bust more stopwatch because he'dhave me in p because way quicker

(10:01):
than we were. And we goout to qualify. It was on the
light, so he couldn't lie andthen he'd throw his s thought while down
said I couldn't qualify word nothing.So but that being said, it was
good. In the last race inMartinsville, they come up and he said,
Man, if you come up withany for next year, as well,
we got the solder seal deal,we got this deal little deals.
But I said no, and hesaid, well, we got this guy

(10:22):
coming on board. He's got threehundred thousand dollars the money come into it.
They had they had an X amountof dollars and I didn't have it.
So they said, man, wewant you to drive it, but
this guy's got the cash, soyou're out. So I said wow,
and they were family. Then wewe just it was cool, and we

(10:43):
won a couple of races. Wewon the one race at Martinsville, I
mean that Hampton, Virginia, andjust should have won some more. But
we had to keep blowing up motors. But that was part of the deal
because we had a deal with GrumpyJanis to supplies with motors to test the
new connecting rod. They were goingto put in the new Camaro, the

(11:05):
new corvettes, and they wanted toput them in raw, just like they
produced them. And they said,you're gonna break rods, but we're gonna
keep putting them in there until wefind one that's that works. So we
broke four or five motors and acouple of races, running really good,
but you broke and then you didn'tget paid. You know, back then

(11:26):
I was fifty percent of the prizemoney. So if you made eighteen hundred
and thirty dollars to win a race, you're you know what I mean.
So anyway, so I was outof a deal. I mean I kind
of mad, you know, kindof like kick your feet up money.
But again, Jeff and Hubert greatpeople. I was out so went home

(11:52):
grabbing my suit pretty alone, youknow what I mean. So the phone
rings and it's Howard Howard Thomas fromzero zero Car. Oh, come down
here and talk with us. Wow, you know zero zero car? You
know what I mean? Shoot?Yeah, well right down there. We

(12:15):
got a deal put together. Niceman, and I said, wow,
things work out, you know,built a new car for Daytona, run
good at Daytona and driving the zerozero car. This is life? Is
good? Right? That only lastedabout six seven eight race, I guess.
And how come you're not run anybetter as well? These cars are?

(12:39):
I don't understand. And the guyyou got running the show hasn't been
around a long time. Is youbetter give some time to yeah, to
work with us to get it workedout. We're not. It's not as
though we're not trying, but hewanted to win right away, and so
we just said we're done, I'mgonna quit race. And so it's okay.

(13:00):
So you get out of the carand at Charlotte Harry gets hurt,
breaks his leg and he was scheduledto run Dover. How much have you
been able to piece together about gettinginto the car and the race and the
accident and the aftermath. Some umand some of us come from input from

(13:24):
people that are there, like theum. Yeah, it's funny at that
thing. I remember going to dinnerwith all the guys and what I ate
Friday night, and after that it'sjust I'm just blank on it for about
a week. You know, where'dyou go? I don't remember the restaurant,
but I had I had stew beefashda isn't gravy and beans. I

(13:48):
don't know why I remember that,but at this little old place, and
yeah, it was just and andthere again its foul in get fired.
Put a deal together for Charlotte torun the Bush Race. I was on
the winter Circle. See if you'reon the winter so you've got to try

(14:09):
to make every race. So Ididn't have a ride, so Tommy Houston.
He knew a guy that had acar, and we put it together
and then Winter Circle out of parts, jumped in board and they liked me.
So they come in and they paidthe rental deal on it and stuff,
and Bill Kirby from Central Gas theyjumped in there, and there are

(14:30):
a bunch of people that jumped inthere to get me a ride for Charlotte,
just to stay on the Winter Circleand run like crab. Just horrible
day, but whatever, we didwhat we had to do. We stay
in the Winter Circle. Blah blahblah. So then then Harry gets hurt
and then they asked me to drivefor Dover. While I'm going, Wow,

(14:50):
that's awesome, you know what Imean. Not awesome that you got
hurt, but awesome that I getinto the shot to drive something and we
got a good car, now,you know what I mean. There's no
more excuses, you know. Soso we go up there and that deal
happens. You go, Dad,God, we gotta start again. You
remember going to dinner the night before. What's the first thing you remember afterwards?

(15:13):
I do remember some of the daysin the hospital. You remember how
long were you in the hospital.I think about a week up there,
and then we flew down and thatwas another neat deal. Richard Shoulders got
us playing and flew my wife Debbieand her mom and myself and Johnny Bruce

(15:37):
back to Charlotte. I mean justthat people were just incredible through that whole
deal on the things they did,and we took it for granted or I
did you know what I mean,because he's just way it supposed to be.
Well, no it people, there'sJohnny Hayes. They went over.
The response, from what I understand, was pretty incredible. Save Way did

(16:00):
a story in Grand National Scene atthe time about it. Everybody. I
mean, you had guys from RCRactually came to ye from the track to
the hospital, had Darryl Walker Pofferand his plane rc I think Richard Jackson
offered to pay your medical bills andall that kind of thing. How aware

(16:22):
of all that were you of ofthe outpouring of help at the time?
Not okay, because I didn't.You're just in lululand I was when I
like when I Harry and Peggy saidcome and stay with us because I half
my body didn't work. When youget a brain injury, your right side

(16:45):
control your left or something. Andthis arm and this leg and this face,
my face hung down like this,and so but doctor Petty said it
you know you're gonna it'll come back. He's just gonna take time. So
I said, okay, and thenwe go. And this is the other
thing. When I'm at home atHarry's just lounging around because you can't do

(17:07):
nothing because this saw your body don'twork. You know, you're just gonna
you know, your lip haangs andeverything. So but Senior come out and
see me, Robbie Morose would comeout and see me, and it was
just at the time, you don'tsee it that way. And then and
later when you get your wits backagainst you go, man, that was
pretty cool, you know what Imean. So it's it's really a different

(17:32):
time in your brain. You're stilljust peed off because you got robbed,
you know what I mean, Andyou cannot look at that where you've just
absolutely got to feel blessed that youget a shot another day, you know,
And I got over that. Iwas hard to live with for a
year after. But after you go, it's not quite the way to do

(17:53):
that, you know, what wasyour recuperation like were you doing because there
or how did you start down theroad to normalcy again? Just yeah,
just walking, just exercising. Justum, there's there's no real therapy for

(18:15):
brain injuries. Yeah, you justtime and then your your response is to
look after your muscles and stuff thatthat you can control. And that's what
you had to do. It's justyou know, keep keep trying to make
it move. Keep when you didmake it move, keep going, you
know, and and it just myeah, it's it's a mess. It's

(18:41):
a lot of that have had basilskull fractures and some of us having survived
and some of us have and itit's just it's a horrible deal. It's
a mind changing deal, it reallyis, you know. And it's no
big deal because now we did it, but it's a we're lucky. We

(19:03):
were really lucky. How long wasit before you felt like Larry Pollard again?
I would say probably the Larry Pollardthat my wife liked was probably four
years. I was probably pretty uglyto live with for three because you're still

(19:23):
just harping on YMI, you knowwhat I mean. And just in Mike,
Alexander and I have talked about thisforever and we're over it now and
we're on to better things and we'reenjoying life. But no, I think
you're right. There was four yearsthere of just just total be grudging,
just you know, feeling sorry foryourself and it's not the way to go.

(19:47):
That's a pretty specific time frame.Was there any one particular incident that
brought you out of that or wasthat just a gradual process of getting back
to normal? Yeah? I thinkit was for me, just gradually,
probably by input from a few peoplethat you thought the world of. Just

(20:14):
like Pollard, get your jumped together. Man, you're able to walk around
feel you know what I mean.And you and when you're high spirit yourself,
you kind of you listen to it, but you don't heed. And
then all of a sudden, twoor three people say it. You go,
maybe that's something I'm missing here,you know what I mean. And
I think that's how it gradually tookover. You know, I feel I'm

(20:37):
a different person now than I wasthree years after. You know, your
first time back in a car,you went to Victoria and you ran at
Western Speedway and as many laps asyou made there. Again, going back
to your book, you didn't rememberit. I didn't remember. I could
not remember making a lap there.Wow, And I just and it was

(21:00):
that was a hard deal because I, um, Doug Jeffreys a real good
fund of my heat, supplied acarter. We're going to run a candidate
hunter or whatever it was up there, and uh he said, well,
and it was it was. Itwas wasn't six or eight eight months after
the deal, you know what Imean. I wasn't supposed to be there.
My neck hadn't heeled and my lungshadn't healed yet. And I'll be

(21:22):
all right, and I getting inthis car and I can't. I don't
remember how to turn, what todo, when to get off, and
I had to. It was theweirdest thing I've ever been. And after
the race we finished fifth or six, I can't remember. And uh,
wow, your mind wasn't ready forit. I couldn't remember. What was

(21:45):
your family's reaction to you going back? I don't know. Debbie is hard
to read. She was such asupporter that she said, well, if
that's what you want to do,I'm and she'd being there. She was
one hundred percent. Bee in herback mind is saying, what in the
world do you fool trying to dothat? You know, Mom and Dad,

(22:06):
they they were always supportive. Butdad, Dad did say that.
He says, man, he says, give it some time. Just you
know this, This ain't the rightthing to do. You know, you
did run a handful of Bush Seriesraces in eighty nine. Were you comfortable
at that point or were you stilltrying to search for something? I think

(22:30):
I was. I think I wasgetting that back. But I wasn't a
good race car driver anymore because Ihit too hard. And you can fool
yourself by saying it doesn't bother you, But if you've got any sense at
all, it bothers you. Andif you go out there and you don't

(22:51):
drive it in there one hundred andthree percent, he might as well get
out. And Bill Kirby Central Gas, he was a coach monsor on the
Ham Car and he said, ohman, he said, well let's just
put something together here, and we'llput a Bush deal together. And he
bought a truck and trailer and suppliedsome cars. And but I had to
do all the work. I hadto actually build a shop so we could

(23:14):
work out of it. I couldn'tafford to pay anybody, so you kind
of did it yourself. Well,we at the car. We had very
povy and some other guys come overand helped us and for nothing, just
because they're great guys. We goto the racetrack, We get our weekend
warriors, supposed to speak. Idrive the truck and trailer to the racetrack.

(23:38):
Didn't have a CDL, but youknow, I mean, go the
ray, unload the car, goout in the track and practice, come
in, get out of the seat, change the left or spring jumped back
in the car. That was disappearing. I mean, it was starting to
be where you had to have yourstuff together. So I went to Bill
Kirby, and I says Bill,and said, I really appreciate what you're

(24:00):
trying to do here, but I'mjust wasting your money. Said, I
can't do this. We're not runninggood. I says, it's just it's
gone beyond what we're doing here.And I think it was. And he
was spending he was pretty well offguy, and he was spending more money
than he wanted to. But itwasn't enough. I said, unless we
can hire a couple of guys,and blah blah blah. And I says,

(24:22):
I just soon. I just don'twant to lose your friendship. I'd
rather stop. So he said,okay. I think it was a god
blessing for it was a you know, it was a bless for him just
to say I said we'd had enough, you know, so that pretty well
ended it. You know, wereyou officially done at that point in your
mind driving or were you still Idon't think so good to drive it.

(24:44):
I think yes. I was hopingthat somebody would come along. And the
way I looked at that deal waswe're going to get back in the line.
I think Bill did too. Hesaid, well, Larry, before
you got hurt, you were startingto run good, and you just everything
was starting to come along. Youwant to race, and you know,
you're getting kind of getting a littlebit better at this deal because I'm basically

(25:06):
a rookie from Canada that you knowit started driving in eighty five, six
seventy, that's three years, soI'm still I was learning every time I
went, and I think that wehe thought that he would just put this
deal together. We'd go to theracetrack and sponsors jump right in there and
help. So that didn't happen.So we you know, we just so.

(25:29):
Then I started building late late models. I run some races at Concord
and and Gringle picking stuff on thatand we just have fun. I mean
it was kind of back to oldschool, you know, so and I
felt comfortable in that, and Ithink we ran pretty good in that stuff,
you know. But was going backon the road as a crew chief

(25:52):
for crew member an option or didyou immediately start up LP gear? Yeah,
it wasn't an option. Then they'redone that. No, um,
yeah, just uh. And inthe last couple of years that I drove
bush cars for Hubert Hansley and forour Thomas for the zero zero car.

(26:14):
During the two or three days ina week that we didn't race, I'd
build gears for my competitors, SteveGrissom, and we'd take him to the
racetrack and sell them to him,you know what I mean. So it
was kind of a And then whenI got hurt, I had to make
a living, you know what Imean. It was like all of a
sudden had something to do. Sothen the LP gear and old and I

(26:36):
never forget this. Hubert Hansley calledme when we got hurt, and he
called me he says, listen,he said. Now, he says,
any of them gears that you needdone, he says, I'll come down
and do them to help you out. You see, you can get him.
You know. I thought that waspretty cool, you know. So
so yeah, we just started thatand it just it just kind of exploded.

(26:57):
It's it's just still a two threeman operation, but we just two
weeks behind our work all the time, and we try to do a good
job. And we're this year,we're winning a lot of races with the
late model stuff, you know.So it's it's good. Life is good.
Are we rich, No, we'renot rich, but we're doing We
like every morning I go in,I turn the light switch on, I

(27:18):
want to be there, and thatto me is a win. Are you
working exclusively with late model teams orhow wide ranging is your business now?
Well? It we did a lotof cups stuff for five six years.
A matter of fact, every Tuesdaywe go pick up and deliver to kl
yarboroughs Penske, Hoss, Kranavis,Hoss Steel. We just made our circle

(27:42):
every Tuesday morning, go pick upthe gears, drop off the ones we
got done, and it was apretty good gig, you know it just
like that. But it got sohard to get paid. So I started
doing late model stock limited, latemodel super late model stuff. And when
the guys come and picked it up, they paid you for it and thank

(28:03):
you for doing it. And Isaid, man, it's a whole new
deal there. So we just kindof weaned that out. And it's the
best thing ever did because now wecan concentrate on knees and it's you're dealing
with the grassroots racers, the guysthat just eat, sleep and drink it.
That's cool. And the phone callsMonday, that stuff worked good,

(28:26):
man, Like you know, likeyes, Monday, I got a phone
call from the fellow that won itGreenville. This weekend. We fixed it
and finished it Friday night. Hecome and got it put in his car,
sends me a picture of the carin Victory Lane. Thank you.
Great job, man. You can'tbuy that, you know what means.

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So we do a lot of that. We do Alabama, Washington State,
a lot of West Virginia, Virginia, South Carolina, a lot of South
Carolina stuff. People ship it upfrom date from Florida. You know,
just ruined the stuff that we takefor granted of what we do to them,
but we've kind of got a littleniche there right now that's working pretty

(29:11):
good. So it's you know,it's working okay. You know, taking
the checkered flag and driving to victorylane is the goal for any racer.
It tells the competition. My accomplishmentsresulted in a trip to the winner circle.

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Las Vegas Motor Speedway, America's racingshow place. Sandy E. Stamp has
been mentioned on this podcast several timesbefore. Of course, she's the mom
of my best friend from high school, Joey Stapp, and Sandy east Up
is the greatest race fan that Iknow. Sandy has two favorite race car

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drivers. First would be Richard Petty, second would be Harry Gant, but
third on her list would be LarryPollard. H that Larry you got us.
At the time, Larry was marriedto Harry and Peggy's daughter, and
because of that connection, she foundout about Larry. She found out about

(31:30):
his racing career, and so awhile back, the last time I was
in Nashville, she loaded me upwith some of her old racing souvenirs and
sure enough there was a Larry Pollardhero card amongst all her treasures that became
my treasures. I think that's prettycool. I think Larry thinks it's pretty
cool too. All that being said, Larry Pollard had one races as a

(31:55):
crew chief. It worked for RichardJackson, and he was building a solid
resume for himself, but still wantedto drive, and in just his third
year in the Bus Series he woundup driving for Hubert and Jeff Hensley and
he won at Langley up in Virginiain July nineteen eighty seven, and let
it be down there, Hubert andJeff Hensley were very competitive individuals on the

(32:19):
Bush Series serge. They did notfeel second rate teams that when it Langley
gave Larry Pollard a fairly notable distinction. Being the noted Bus Series historian that
you are, what would that distinctionbe? I sent some sarcasm here,
Rick, I don't know why bustserious historian than I am. Yeah,

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yeah, not when compared to you, But I think that the distinction would
be and I'm just guessing here thatLair was the first Canadian to win a
Bush Series race. Right, You'reclose, Okay, you're pretty close.
He was the first foreign born driverperiod in a race all right series,

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so that's a pretty big plumb prizetoo. Yeah, that's a feather in
this cap. Here is what it'slike to try to compete at such a
high level. Larry Pollard one forHubert and Jeff in nineteen eighty seven,
but he still lost that ride atthe end of the season because another competitor
was bringing a three hundred thousand dollarssponsorship to the table from nineteen eighty eight.

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So he went to a race,he's out of a ride. Not
the first time that money takes overwhen it comes to getting a ride in
any form of motorsports, and particularlyin NASCAR. Back in nineteen seventy one,
Chadar Gospack was outsted at the ridewith Junior Johnson because Bobby Allison was
coming in in nineteen seventy two andhe had a sponsorship from Cocoa Cota.

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Not quite as much as we're talkingabout here. I mean, back then
it was eighty thousand dollars. Thatrelationship between Junior Johnson and Bobby Allison worked
out great for one year. Bobbyleft at the end of the sevent season
and was replaced by kale Yarborough andneeded to say that relationship worked out really

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well. Larry was out of theHensley ride, but then he got a
call from Howard Thomas, who ownedthe very well known and very successful double
zero Thomas Brothers Country Ham Car.What a lot of people call just the
ham car, right, another topride by the way, Rick, absolutely
a top ride. Sam Ard madeit famous. Then came Jimmy Hensley,

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so yeah, Brett Bodin So thatwas a big ride. But unfortunately for
Larry, that deal only lasted aboutten races before he and mister Thomas parted
company. He ran one race atCharlotte, kind of a pick up to
stay on the Winner's Circle program,and it was that same weekend at Charlotte
that his father in law, Harrygent Brokey's leg in an accident during what

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we called the Tirewars Who is yourverses good year and there were a lot
of accidents during that time. Larryfilled in for Harry in the Bush Series
race at Dover, but he experienceda life changing accident in that race.
You did your commentary in the Junesixteenth, nineteen eighty eight issue of Winston
Cup scene on the NASCAR community's responseto Larry in the very serious injuries that

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he sustained in that race at Dover, and that was our issue of the
week back in episode one seventeen.And because Tommy Houston was our interview guest
that week, Marty Houston, Tommy'sson, joined us as a guest co
host that week. Now I wantto play that segment from that show because
not only do you and I discussyour column about the response to Larry's accident,

(35:53):
but Marty also shared about how hewas the first person to Larry's car
in his reaction to what he sawyour commentary at the front of the paper
that week, Steve was on theracing community's response to an accident that Larry
Pollard had experienced in the June fourthBush Series race at Dover. He was

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driving in place of his father inlaw, Harry Gent, who had broken
his leg at Charlotte. And inthis accident, Larry got a broken nose,
which on its own sounded bad,but on its own, that's not
the worst thing that could happened.Now, However, blood from that broken
nose got into his lungs and thatreduced his oxygen intake to just twenty percent

(36:37):
of what it should have been,and on top of that, he also
sustained a basil skull fracture and weknow all too well he was never comatose,
but couldn't speak and could only communicateby squeezing people's hands, and a
couple of days later he could speakagain. He was taking off the respirator

(36:58):
in the feeding tube and was upgradedfrom serious to fair. And Steve the
point of year story was not Larry'sinjuries, but the racing community's response to
them and Steve, this was amazing. Everybody that just poured out help and
offered to help. These guys werestill in their good rench uniforms. They

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came straight from the racetrack to thehospital to check on Larry. RCR crew
members Will Lynd and David Smith andRichard Childress himself went to the hospital of
the night of the accident, andRichard actually sent his plane and pilot back
to North Carolina to pick up PeggyGant and Donna Latham, who were the
mother and sister of Debbie Pollard.Larry's wife, Jimmy Hensley and Brett Bodine

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came to the hospital and so didKyle Petty. Larry had actually worked at
Petty Enterprises. Larry Pollard had beenPhil Parsons's crew chief back in nineteen eighty
three, and team owner Richard Jacksonoffered to pay for everything. He offered
to pay for the hospital bills theincidentals. He even picked up the cost

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of flying Larry's parents down from theirhome in Canada to Dover. Daryl Waltrip
said that his plane was available anytime. The car that Larry was driving at
Dover was sponsored by Skulls so UsTobacco's Johnny Hayes, Brian Buckauer, Patty
Makar, and Johnny Bruce were allhelping out making sure that everything was taken

(38:29):
care of. Johnny Hayes said inyour commentary, it's hard to describe just
how you feel to see people caringlike that, people whom you might not
expect to serve the way that theydid well. Marty alluded to this earlier.
This is the perfect example of NASCARbeing a family. Each person in

(38:50):
NASCAR looks after each other doesn't meanan indifference. What your name is.
When things go bad for someone CavigeHouston or Earnhardt or Pollard. The whole
family rallies to your assistance. Yeah, you know, Rick, just a
quick story that, Um, Igot to Larry's car before even the medical
crew did that. That wreck atover Dad had qualified pretty bad, and

(39:15):
so we had picked pit stall numberone. So we were at first pit
stalled down in turn three and fourcoming on pit road and when he wrecked,
he came down to the inside andstopped there in the grass, and
uh, you know, I knewit was Larry and we were really good
friends with with Hollard, and aswe were with Harry and all his family,
and so I took off running downthere, and which all our crew

(39:37):
did, but I got there firstand one guy had just got to the
wind and at, and I remember, like it was yesterday, he dropped
the winding at down and Larry hada faced helmet and you know, he
was bleeding out his nose pretty bad, and he was bleeding out his ears,
and you know when I saw that, and he was kind of slumped
over in a seat, and itjust pretty much I went over to the

(39:58):
guardrail and sat down because I thoughthe was dead, you know, and
it was It was not something Iran up hoping I could help him,
and then the vision I got wasnot what I was expecting, So it
rocked me back on my heels,you know, pretty big and um,
but I remember that that was justit's funny that you guys are talking about
this and how everything's all connected inthe whole family deal. And but Steve's

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right, I mean, at thatpoint, I don't know who want raised.
I don't know where we finished.Nobody did. Everybody dropped what they
were doing and asked what they coulddo for Larry. And that's that's That's
one thing I just loved about racingin general. Well, there was a
scene on the circuit news item inthis issue and it said that Larry was
released from the hospital on June tenth, six days after the accident, and

(40:47):
I kind of had to laugh.Brian Buckauer, who was with US Tobacco,
he said in this news story,Larry is very conscientious about his diet,
no red meat, low calories,and high carbon hydrates. The funny
thing was the one thing he wantedwhile still in the hospital was a big
Mac. So Johnny Bruce went andgot him a big mac fries in milkshake.

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Now, Larry Pollard is my kindof guy if that's the first thing
on his mind after coming through allthis is a big mac you know.
You know what that tells me.It knocks some sense into So Larry Pollard
survived a basil skull fracture, whichis a miracle in and of itself.

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He and Mike Alexander were pretty tightbefore their accidents. They were good friends
on an off the race track.Larry was injured in June of nineteen eighty
eight, and then Mike got hurtin December that same year. So Steve,
they were going through the nightmare ofa very serious head injury together,

(41:51):
comparing notes and trying to figure outhow to put the pieces back together and
live as normal a life as possible. So imagine what ust have been like
to have such a good friend goingthrough basically the same exact thing at the
same exact time. It had tobe an arguoush undertaking for both Mike and

(42:12):
Larry, no question about that.I'm thinking it probably took them years to
get through it. But the Beacaalternative. Larry admitted that it took him
about four years to get back tofeeling like the Larry Pollard that his wife
liked because he for so long keptwondering why meet. Yeah, I would
too. Well, here's a storythat just when he told it, it

(42:36):
just absolutely broke my heart. Becausehe went back to Western Speedway in Victoria
to run a race, and that'sa track where he got his start in
racing, so he has made literallythousands of laps there. He knows that
track inside and out. Sure,but it was only a few months after

(42:58):
his accident and his neck and lungshave it fully healed. He said he
couldn't remember how to turn or breakor anything. And you can just imagine
what that must have been like fora proud race car driver like Larry.
Pop had to be devastating, Rick, no doubt about it. To do

(43:19):
all the racing, both on andoff the track and in the picture like
Larry had done. Back to hiswhole life was based on racing. And
he comes to a race track andit was so well and he can't even
remember how to turn or break.I mean that had to positive to give
him a hope of speeling. Ithink that might have been a low point
of his life. Well, Steve, I gotta tell you that was obviously

(43:42):
a low point, but I wasjust so impressed with Larry during this interview.
Number one. Larry has a greatvoice. Larry could be a radio
show announcer or a TV show announcer, certainly a podcast He's got on me.
I garantee you that. But hehad what I thought was a very

(44:07):
good recall of detail about different things. So I was very impressed. And
he's come a long way back froman injury like that. Well, even
before Larry got hurt, he hadalready been building gears for other teams in
the garage, and again, theracing community being what it is, as
competitive is it he is. Afterhe got hurt, Hubert Hensley offered to

(44:30):
pick up the slack and helped buildthe gears for Larry's clients while he recuperated.
Something like that is not unusual inNASCAR. How many times have you
heard and told stories about one manor one group helping another who was down
on his luck and struggling. Larrywas building gears for different Winston Cup and

(44:52):
Bus Series teams, but then,amazingly enough, he was having some trouble
getting paid and having to jump throughthose kinds of hoops to get his money.
Well, today he does a lotof work for late model tapes,
and he says he's not rich,but he's busy and he's happy. And
when he turns on the lights athis shop every morning, he wants to

(45:15):
be there. And best of all, he gets paid and thanked for the
work he does. And judging fromwhere Larry had been, and now I
know he's got to be a muchhappier man. And I think it's a
terrific accomplishment, no doubt about it. Hey, race fans. John Dodson

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La. Rusty Wallace led the nineteeneighty seven edition of the Budweiser at the
Glen at Watkins Glen three times fora total of sixty three laps, including
the final twenty eight, but ittook a very late pitch stop for a

(47:14):
splash of gas to get him tothe checkered flag eleven point eight seconds ahead
of runner up Terry Lebanni. Nowask me, Steve, just how late
that pitch stop was? Okay,Rick, how late was that pitch stop?
Sir? Rusty Wallace had such abig lead at that time. He

(47:35):
pitted on the last lap of therace for a splash of gas. You're
kidding the last lap, the lastlap and still won the race by nearly
twelve seconds over Terry Lebanni. Hehad a low fuel light in his car
and it blinked on. On thelast lap, Rusty said, with five

(48:00):
laps to go, Barry Dotson,who was his crew chief, told me
to keep my eyes on the light. I came down the back stretch down,
shifted and hit the brakes and thelight went on. A radio bike
that the light was on, andBarry said to come on in. We
had a twenty two second lead,and we knew we could get in and

(48:21):
out without losing the lead. ButI was nervous on that stop. I
kept the engine barely running while thegas was being put in, but then
when I took off, it seemedlike the gas wasn't getting to the engine
because it was sputtering and popping.I thought I had blown the engine man.
There were tears in my eyes.Now, this was three years before

(48:42):
a pit road speed was instituted.So Rusty hauled it down pit road screeched
to a stop somewhere near his pitstall. Rick. That might have been
the difference right there. Had thespeed limits entering and knee pit road been
in force, then do you thinkthat Rusty could have come out ahead of

(49:06):
Terry de Bonny? I kind ofquestioned it. I would have to say
it would have been much much closerthan twelve seconds, right. I agree.
The gas man had to chase thecar a little bit, and it
looked like there was as much gason the ground afterward as what actually made
it into the fuel cell. Steve, I don't know how much gas he

(49:27):
actually added, so that might havebeen the problem with it sputtering and spitting
after the stop. Exactly got justenough in. That's all it needed.
Whatever, guy. This was thethird Winston Cup win of Rusty's career,
his first on a track of morethan a half mile in length and his
first on a road course. Hewent on that same season in nineteen eighty

(49:50):
seven to win at Riverside, andthen in nineteen eighty eight he won the
last race ever at Riverside. Rainforcedthe postponement of the race from Sunday to
Monday, and this was the veryfirst time that NASCAR had to go to
its next clear day rule after ithad first been issued the year before they

(50:10):
first clear day rules. One ofthe best things that NASCAR ever did used
to be it would be the nextclear weekend whenever that would be. Can
you imagine what the teams might havehad to do to leave only to have
to come back at least a weeklater that time, and the expense involved
in that. I'm pretty sure theywould have impounded their cars out there.

(50:35):
But otherwise that was a whole lotof money those guys would have to spend.
As it's up to the next clearday rule. They didn't have to
do that, and that was agood thing. Larry Pollard's win at Langley
Speedway in Virginia received all of fivelines of coverage in the bit past section.
Here we blew the doors open onthat one, didn't we? It

(50:58):
was buried in the fifth past sectionhere. Let me read it for you.
Okay, all right, all right, let's go. Congratulations to Larry
Pollard, who won his first BushSeries race August eighth at Langley Speedway in
Hampton, Virginia. Pollard, fromVictoria, BC, Canada, was a
crew chief for Richard, Patty andPhil Parsons before turning to the Bush Series

(51:19):
full time. He is Harry Gant'sson in law. Well Man says that
pretty suscinctly, don't you think,Rick, Well, Yeah, succinctly is
one way to put it. That, dear way. I'm sure Den Williams
had a feature in this issue onHendrick Motorsports becoming more self reliant and not
purchasing chassis from companies like Hutchson,Pagan Banjoe Matthews or Mike Laughlin. They

(51:45):
were going to build their own chassis. Richard Children's Racing first started that trend,
and then Hendrick Motorsports picked it up. In May of nineteen eighty six,
Gary Nelson, who was Jeff Bodion'screw chief at the time, says,
we are capable of producing our owncars. We can build a duplicate
of what people are selling, andwe can build variations. Now. Gary

(52:08):
Nelson saying that he's gonna build variationsHello, one of the masters of variations.
In my dad. We are arace car building shop now. Whether
we have something that's a mistake orsomething that works out good, we're still
learning. It can't do anything buthelp us in the future. Larry Ift

(52:31):
was driving Davy Allison's Holler and hewas nearing Corning, New York, very
near Watkins Lynn on August fifth,when the Holler was involved in a very
serious accident. With Larry were crewchief Joy Knuckles and crew member Devin Barbie,
and they had already stopped once tocheck on the truck's malfunctioning breaks.

(52:52):
Joy Knuckles said, just as thetown came into view, there was a
loud bang and a light flash,signaling we had lost the brakes. We
were doing about twenty miles an hourwhen the brakes went Then suddenly we were
riding a runaway locomotive. Listen tothis. They were going down a hill

(53:13):
when the brakes went out, andit was at that point when they spotted
a double line of cars stopped ata traffic light at the bottom of the
hill. Oh so, what Larrydid. He veered to the left and
onto a concrete retaining wall, whichflipped the holler onto its side. The

(53:35):
tractor itself was nearly upside down.Larry sustained back injuries, Joy sustained some
pinched nerves in his neck, andDevin had a puncture wound from a hook
on the holler sleeper bed and hehad to be cut from the wreckage.
I think those guys were very lucky, Rick, That could have been a
lot more serious, yes, sir, for them and for the people in

(53:59):
the cars that the bottom of thehill correctly. A New York State trooper
told the Charlotte Observer. It couldhave been a disaster. Were very lucky
no one was hurt worse than theywere. What that guy did, meaning
Larry Yift took a lot of courageand he's exactly right. Can you imagine
being in a truck spin downhill withno breaks headed put two lines of traffic.

(54:23):
You had to make some kind ofmove. Larry did the right thing,
you know he did. Basically,Rick would sacrifice him and his guys
to avoid possibly costing the lives ofinnocent motorists in front of them. Robert
Yates, who was Davy's team managerand engine builder at the time, was

(54:43):
looking for his hotel when he sawall the flashing lights from emergency vehicles going
into distance. He thinks the hotelis on fire, but then comes across
the truck on its side. Thetractor itself was total, but the two
cars in side the trailer were salvaged, along with enough parts, pieces and

(55:04):
tools to run the race. Now, after all that, that team took
that car that had been in thataccident. Davey qualified thirty third and finished
seventeenth, two laps down. Notthe bad day at all, Rick,
When you think what the other resultsmight have been for that team. History
will forever record on Racing Reference DaveyAllison Qua fight thirty third, finished seventeenth,

(55:28):
two laps down. It's just aline of statistics, but what it
took for them to even run thatrace right and members will never reveal a
bad part of history. Rick,That's the rest of the story. Deal
Earnhardt and Bill Elliott were featured onNBC's The Today Show on August fourth,
and Deal was not impressed with BryantGumbel's questions about his and Bill's running during

(55:52):
and after the Winston earlier that year. Deal said on the same show,
they've got the guy who is thedefending Winston Cup champion, was one of
the most races this year, theguy who won the most races a couple
of years ago, and one milliondollar bonus, and all he wants to
talk about is something that happened monthsago and nobody cares about anymore about.

(56:14):
The only good thing to come outof that show was that Bill and I
were sitting there talking together, andthat showed we did that instead of walking
around cussing each other in the garagearea all the time. Well could defend
Brian comes with some way. He'snot a NASCAR expert. He would not
know all these things about and Bill, the only thing he knows is the

(56:36):
most exciting thing that happened that year, which was the Winston. Naturally he
would gravitate toward that. But Ican understand Dale not being too happy and
thinking that this is the only thingthat he could find to talk about it.
And I'm not too sure about thatthing. Nobody cares about the nineteen
eighty seven the Winston. That's whatthirty five years ago, we're still talking

(56:58):
about it, talking about it,still calling at the pass and the Glass
when it wasn't But who cares?Finally, and I've been looking forward to
this part, Pappy, your bestfriend Tom Higgins celebrated his fiftieth birthday in
fine style at Watkins Glen. Hewas presented with a bunch of gag gifts
and quote unquote telegrams from whal Weesher'sduring a cocktail party at the Corning Museum

(57:22):
of Glass, and then Buddy Bakergave him a ploque on behalf of all
the drivers. Now, Steve,if you can remember them, I want
to hear some stories from that weekendabout the Shenanigans that you two got into.
Well, I don't know how muchof that I can go into,
Rick, but I can't tell youabout Pappy's fiftieth birthday. It turns out
that Winston invited the media to receptionat the Corning Museum of Glass, and

(57:49):
inside was handsome glass artwork, thingslike telescope lenses that were huge, and
we're all retired to an auditorium.If the museum and an auditorium had a
stage and the movie screen at thefront of the auditorium. And that's when
they started celebrating Tom's birthday in somekind of surprise thing. And of course

(58:13):
they were the gag if somebody madethe prison dation of the plaque. They
got Tom to come up on stagebecause they wanted him to say a few
things. And Tom was standing behindthe MC at the time, and then
he disappeared. He was gone,just in a flash. Nobody could see
him anymore. He wasn't on thestage anymore. Turns out that Tom had

(58:37):
leaned against the movie screen behind himand tore right through it. I mean
he fell right through it, leavinga great big gash and a movie screen.
And finally got Tom out of thatsituation back up on the stage and
Old Tom said, you know,I always wanted to make a big splash

(58:57):
on the silver screen, but itis not what I had in mind.
Eight carst Winston five grand to makebag screen you. Hey, I'm Richard
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Place and Steve. You and Ithe past couple of weeks have been recording
our portions of the episode on Sundayafternoons, and you and I had already
recorded this week and thought that wasgoing to be yet, But then Steve,
I don't even know what to sayabout this one. It was announced

(01:00:52):
just a few minutes ago that CoyGibbs, the son of Joe Gibbs,
Tie's father and a former Bush andTruck series driver himself, he evidently died
in his sleep last night. Iknow I heard that and that was shocked,
Rich just absolutely shocked. He wasonly forty nine years old. But
think about a blow that has gotto be the tip after being so high

(01:01:14):
after winning that championship, and havethis happened. I cannot think of a
more tragic situation. Well, thereare photos of Koy and his wife and
Ty's mom celebrating the Championship last night. You just don't know what to say.
But Steve, that family also lostJD. That's right years ago.
You just have to feel for theentire Gibbs family. There is no situation

(01:01:38):
Rick that I can think of that'sworse because he was a Bush Series driver
and I got to spend a littlebit of time around him. I got
to know Koy a little bit.But then also one year in particular,
he went on Morgan Shepherd's Christmas tripin the Hills of Virginia, and I've
got some memories of that one thatwill never leave me. It had snowed

(01:02:00):
that week leading into the trip,and it was icy, and it was
just terrible conditions to be driving upand down those country roads like we were.
But then also Morgan had had somethinghappened to his motor coach and it
broke down, and so he hadto get somebody else to come pick him

(01:02:21):
and everybody else up and me andCoy and maybe two or three other people
stayed behind with the motor coach andCoy Gibbs he was down on his bike
in that ice and in that snow, crawling up under the motor coach to
fix it. That made the biggestimpression on me, because you know,

(01:02:42):
a lot of people are gonna callCoy the rich kid, and people are
gonna call him this and that.But there he was, crawling up under
that coach in those kinds of conditions, freezing, trying to fix it and
trying to help somebody else. That'dmake it a very good they've been.
What kind of man he really was? Also that trip, that one in

(01:03:05):
particular, was during the days whenMorgan had like fifteen stops and we would
leave before daybreak and we wouldn't getback until almost midnight, and so it
made for a long day and therewas no lunch factored into the thing.
So at one stop in particular,I kind of snuck away from the stop

(01:03:25):
and went across the street to grabsome lunch. Well, there I was
and then wash Koi Gibbs, andhe looked at me, and I looked
at him, and we both kindof grinned, and we said, you
know what, let's have a lunchtogether. And I had lunch that day
with Koi Gibbs, after he hadbeen crawling up under that truck. Well

(01:03:46):
that's a great story, absolutely agreat story, And I really wanted to
repeat once again, this is Icannot think of a more tragic moment but
the kids family than to have thishappened when it did. And Steve,
I think we need to go aheadand address the eight hundred pound gorilla in
the room. And everybody knows thatTy has been in the news recently and

(01:04:10):
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and you don't need to worry aboutus anymore, because Steve, I don't
even have words for somebody who wouldsay something like I don't even have the
words for somebody who would think sucha thing, much less say it out
loud or pound it out on Twitter. You don't need any more words.
Ricky said it already, Amen,Coach Gibbs and Ty and the rest of

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the Gibbs family and organ zation.I'm so sorry. I don't even know
what to say I am so sorryand my heart is with you, all
right, both far away, allright. Hello everyone, I'm Steve Wade.
One more of buzz again. Wellno, it was just a little

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loud and kind of pop. Ohokay, Hello everyone, I'm Steve Wade.