Episode 225 -- David Ifft, John Dodson and Pete Wright ... Master NASCAR Story Tellers

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Hello, My name is Rick Houston, and welcome to the Scene Bought podcast,
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Harry Hyden, I personally was handeda bag of cash going into Daytona
one morning. So this inspector wouldlet us put our collborator on the car.
And it was a bag one hundreddollar bills, and they said,
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cranks up by truck and when hedid, fish guts, scales, fish

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Okay, the day NASCAR and allof us associated in anyway, when NASCAR
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about NASCAR history. Now, speakingof Las Vegas Motor Speedway, Speedway Motorsports
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the end of the year. Ata boy, Chris. So, with
that being said about this week's episode, from the moment that this interview was
over, I have been looking forwardto getting this out there. We have
done a couple of different roundtable discussionsbefore, but nothing quite like the one

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that we did with David Eft JohnDodson, and Pete Right, you're telling
me that you were in the sameroom with David E, John Dodson and
Pete Wright and you didn't call thecops. I'm not too sure about.
I think nash Gar's had a warnout these guys for years. Well,

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if they didn't before, they mighthave after this episode comes out. Now.
Obviously David and John and Pete theyhave been on the show before,
but I really kind of considered thisan all star cast of some of the
best storytellers that we've had so faron the show. And you know,
you've heard that old saying where peoplewonder what it would be like to be

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a fly on the wall of thegarage. That's what this was. They
were just three longtime friends and coworkers sitting around the table, reminiscent and
telling stories. And you could tellit when I first started recording, they
didn't care that I was recording.I told him it was hot, Mike,
and they kept right on talking.They were telling a story about Dell

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mccallard, and it was actually afew minutes before I was able to finally
get them to at the very leastintroduce themselves. So our listeners could get
familiarized with their voices again. SoSteve, here's what we're gonna do.
They talked for well over two hours. I don't have ended out, and
we are including every bit of itin this week's episode and next week's episode,

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which will be our twenty twenty twoseason finale, that wild drop on
December of the fourteenth. What dowe have on tap for this week?
Oh my gosh, We've got storiesabout Del mccallard. We have more nitrous
ockside stories about at least one threetime Weston Cup champion and another involving a
team that won three Daytona five hundreds. We've got lead wheels, motorized movable

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weight within the frame rails, somesort of camera mounted laser that could trip
a qualifying timer light, a NASCARtemplate that was secretly cut by a team
to fit its car and nobody else's, and, according to one of our
storytellers, flat out bribery. Well, I'll tell you something now. You
know why NASCAR has that worn out, don't you. That's how to tell

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you something, Steve, Last,but not least, and I'll just leave
this open to your imagination for thetime being. We have plenty of fish
guts. Okay, I'm not evengonna go there. And Steve, let
me tell you that particular story stinks. I have no words. I have

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dad jokes. We are not goingto do an issue of the Week segment
this week because really there's nothing topossibly add to what David and John and
Pete had to say. So takeit away, fellas. Yea. And

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of course this didn't starts, youknow, and start recording. You know,
I'm still waiting on my full cover. Yeah, that's delma. I
know. The Riverside, we'd goto Texas. You ready, you're you're

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on hot mics or whatever you say, now we're on camera, got it.
We went to Riverside. We usedto race dover come to Charlotte and
then we'd go back to this manand load up and two guys that drive
the truck to Texas and other onesthat come out in the van. Then

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we switched around. They go back. We'd switched cars, take the road
race car to Riverside. Then thetruck would leave Texas Riverside, go to
Michigan and then back to Scharla.Never come back to guys, but we'd
switch off and everybody drove in thevans. Back then they didn't fly,
and uh fly nowhere I call home. I've been talking about del McCard.

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He built swimming pools for people.Yea, And my wife says, dumber's
out here and he's digging a holein the backyard because the old mc andrew
said so much whatever he owed him, and he was getting all these swimming
pools. All the informants had him. You know, everybody got a play.
He got a pool. The preacherwhat was his name back then,

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name Bill? Was it Billy?He got a pool because Denmar could get
anything. When he walked in thatshop, I said, Denbar, we
ain't got kicked me up. Werefirst day I worked for him. I'm
gonna be in the shop right he'sbuilding the car. We're taking this car
and I'm gonna build it. AndI'm seventeen. We went all over town

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and he got torches, a welder, all this stuff and never had a
dime in his pocket. And thatnight we went to see We went to
see Hank Williams Junior, and Ihad to wear his clothes, all baggy
clothes on me, and I hadto pay for the drinks and stuff.
He didn't have any Yeah, that'show he could get things done. Yeah.

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I remember he comes to me onetime says, hey said, has
some tires. You just took offsome thing. Okay, he says,
you take care of me. Saysyou got a pool? Yeah, I
just had one put in. Hesaid you probably need a cover or something.
Point, don't you? Said?Yeah? He said sometimes, No,
give me the addreped. I said, just send it to the shop.

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He said, I don't do that. And that was what forty years
ago? Yeah, I'm still waitingon it. Have you seen your pool
cover yet? No? No?He always what was? What was he
saying? He always had I neverlost, I never want a race,

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but never lost a party. Yeah, we all adopted that. Did you
ever loved people? Don't day?But did you ever see him play the
piano? Oh yeah, well yeah, you talk about an entertainer now.
See he played for Billy Joel rolethat under the Boomdocks, that song he
half wrote that song. People don'trealize that. But you spent the night

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with him. He woke up tohim in the garage playing the PM yeah
and just saying playing like and hewas good. He was good at rockabilly.
Yeah, all that stuff. ButDelmer was a character now, and
boy he was racing Charlotte one timeeverything gotten. Something happened to clutch one
on or something and whatever happened tohis car. And he'd come in and

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I said, Delmar, park it. He always pit it next to us
because he could get stuff off ofus. I said, Delmar, it's
over park, And he says,can't you just do something to let me
go four or five more laps?Well, I hate to break up the
conversation. Number he finished. Theygot into five hundred and one down there

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for ten years, never made therace. They had a big reckon that.
Back then they took the top fourteencards out each qualifying racing, and
he finished fourteenth and got in it. He thought he won the lottery and
the Dayton party night every night thatRobert g was with him, Robin never

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missed the party. You know,well, listen, honestly, I hate
to break this up for just asecond and break the momentum. But just
to start off with, just tointroduce yourselves and a very basic resume what
you did into sport me to startyou go first, because if you're tell

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him a lie, I could soI'm John Dodson, and I'm vice president
of Business Alliances and NASCAR for UniversalTechnic Institute, and NASCAR Tech is one
of our campses. That's where we'resitting today. But I started in the
business. My dad raced on thebeaches at Daytona. He was one of
the pioneers a NASCAR. My grandfatherwas a moonshiner in the hills of North

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Carolina. And my dad's words,I said, Daddy, did anybody on
this road make moonshine? He said, everybody on this road bay moon shine.
And that's how NASCAR started. SoDad raced in the fifties. He
drove a convertible for Lead Petty.In nineteen fifty seven he drove a convertible.
Then I think Ralpharnhard drove it beforeDad, and then Barry and Bruce,

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my older brothers ten years older thanme, and Bradley, my other
brother. They started with Richard Childressand the Petties. I worked for the
Petties back in the eighties. Barryand Bruce was there in the seventies.
Dad drove for him in the fiftiesand then Barry kind of paved that way
for me. He stayed in racingHe always made a path for me,

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so it made it easy for me. And I worked for a lot of
Hall of Fame drivers. I workedwith both these guys I'm sitting with here
today. I guess if I cantry to name the ones and finish this
up. I worked for H.Richard Children, starting out as a teenager
in high school. I changed tiresin the day, twenty five hundred and
seventeen years old and still in highschool. Uh. And then for Richard

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Petty, Kyle Petty, h BennyParsons, Kelly Yarborough, Tim Richmond,
Rusty Wallace won a championship in eightynine, Rusty Wallace and my Burying Bradley,
my brothers Um. And then Iworked for Ricky rudd Um again for
Kyle Petty and the Melly Yellow car. Um. So a lot of great
drivers over the years, Buddy BakerUm. And here I am today with

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two of my best pals. Can'tdid ye kicking? Pete? How about
you? Well, my name's PeteWright. Um if I get into everything
like he did when I started,and we'd be here until half lunch sometimes.
But you know, I've worked withfeast guys. I've known them all
my I guess almost all. Mywife really think about it. He's seventeen.

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He was sixty eight when I firstmade even thirty years ago. So
you know I sick a couple ofyears. Well, yeah, I sick
a couple of years. But youknow, as far as working for certain
people, I was a crew chieffor a while. I didn't like being
a crew chief because I wasn't menthrough the politics that it took to be

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one at the time. And Iworked for talking about working for so many
drivers, I checked the other nightout of Night nineteen to the people that
are in the Hall of Fame,I either worked for or worked with in
my career. And that's basically howlong my career has been. Wow,

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David, Where I started when Iwas nineteen years old out of high school,
come from Ohio down and got ajob with bud Moore Engineering. He
had two tenth grade twice, gota job with Bud Moore Factory, back
forward team into trans am days withParnelly Jones and George Foreman, and then
he went they pulled out a transam after they won the championship and went

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to work for They went backstock carracing and Pearson drove it a little bit
Bobby Isaac and like John was talkingabout all the drivers he worked for.
I'd be here till tomorrow telling allthe drivers I helped and worked for and
everything. And then went with DarylWaltroll come and drove. Bobby Isaac retired,
and Darryl come and drove the lastfive races with Bud Moore, and

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they got to know him pretty goodbecause we were the same age. And
when he got the die Guard ride, he asked me to come down there
and run the die Guard car withthe Gatoray car, and I hired Buddy
Parrott, Gary Nelson, all ofthem at die Guard and it was just
starting out then, you know,Mario Rossi was there with Donnie Allison.

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But we built it up to oneof the top teams and the thing,
and I left after five years fiveand a half years, went to m
C Anderson Racing and started that team. Buddy Parrott took over Die Garden and
at Gary Nelson and Robert Yates wasthe motor man. In fact, me
and Daryl hired Robert Yates away fromJunior Johnson to come there and do the

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motors. And then after m C. Anderson. I left there and went
with Ronnie Boucher with race Hill Farmsand was there four or five years.
And then and I think it waseighty seven, I just kind of went
on my own. I was burntout, built my own shops and everything.

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And like John was saying, andthey it, you could go on
and on how you got started,and things go by so fast because every
day was Saturday. It wasn't likea job. You know, everybody goes
to work. And then we weregoing. We couldn't wait to get there.
And when when the garage gates openedat seven in the morning and everybody's

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out there at six waiting to goin to go to work, it tells
you how great job both of themget out of the ye. But now
we'll get to that part. We'llget to that. We kept the close
in the trust that I went onmy own and built cars for people.

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In fact, a matter of fact, when Rick Hendricks first started, I
was helping Ronnie Bouchard contract labor andthat, and I built a lot of
a frames for you know, Harry, hiding them Rick Hendricks's suspension parts.
And look where Rickie is at nowand that and you know, back to.
There was so many good people.Harry Hide, you know her nap,

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all the old child, Jake Helderthat all the old people that that
I can remember. Daryl want hisfirst race as me as his crew chief
at Richmond, Virginia, and Jakecome and helped us and he set that
thing up and everything. And Ilearned so much off of Jake and everything.
And oh Red Miller down there atOld he was budget cief when when

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Daddy drove the convertible for the Petties, Red mother was screw chief and his
daughter married Maurice Yep Red's daughter Maurice'swife. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
And Red went left the pais wentto work for Bud More for the trans
Am series forward, paying money.He didn't rich. Everybody got paid by

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the hour. Back then they hadbud You know the first time I ever
made in racing when you towed thecars behind the truck. I was laying
on the race track at Martinsville andwe were tying Bennie's car. We were
chaining Bennie's car. You know you'dpull your truck out on the track,
didn't you put load your car becauseyou just pulled into pits box trucks,

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yeah, box truck, red truck. Yeah. And I was tying chaining
Bennie's car and you slipped under theYou crawled under the trailer and put twenty
dollars in my pocket and you saidcan you come to Whipsburg and that he
must have found to help us onthe weekend. He didn't want to pay
me in front of everybody else.I think it's just because you're the only
one getting a little money today.That was the last torty I had Cloud

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nine. I was, I waslike, man, I got paid for
coming to the race at seventy fivemillion, living with my grandma. And
I said, man, I'll beat Wilber And I got pictures of the
next week and I said will spur. Yeah, he looked where you had.
Now it should be all these peopleshould be sending me money to helping
him. That one So all Ihear out of that story is is that

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it's your fault he got into you. Yeah, it's your fault that he
got into the sport, your faultthat Rick Hendrick got into. Let me
do something. I would come tothe race track all my own time and
just go there to hill and justand he gave me the first dollar ever
made. Yeah, were you werein that little group with Ryan Pummington and
Brad Parrot and all them of themtoo. But because Barry worked at the

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petties and seventies and we played,Me and Kyle Petty and Brandon Aker,
Brian and Brandon, we all playedfootball in the infield at Wilkesboro, you
know, and then and then theraces over. You know, you go
jump on a thing and wash.But you could close the tailgate up and
everybody ate out of the back ofthe car. And it was just one
big family. That was one thingabout working at Junia Johnson. Yeah,

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all the crew members wives, weget together and bring food to wilkes Bar.
Everybody parked in the paddock and everybody'stailgate was open or the station wagon
door was opened, and you hadfried chicken and liver mush biscuits and everybody
just ate. Oh my god,Oh it was it was a crew members
would come out to the different teamsand yeah, see I always seen who
had the best food. And sowe was at Wilkesboro and we were playing

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and me and Kyle went we wentin the bathroom. Miss Guy was screaming
in the bathroom and we what's goingon. We're playing football and we're eleven
years old, me and Kyle's elevenand twelves, so basically kind of grew
up together. So this this farmerwas in there and he had his hands
against the wall and his overalls wasall the way down around his ankles,
and he was trying to pass akidney stone. He was just a scream

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to me and come all this boys, And we run out and told Richard,
We said, come in here,come here, sir. Richard goes
into bathroom to King and he turnsa corner and he turns around and shoves
up. He said, y'all getout of here and leave his mental He
chastised us. We were scared todeath, this man screaming he's hurt.

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I heard a lot of people screamingthe bathroom, but it wasn't like kidneys.
Well, I was thinking that Iwasn't gonna say especial riverside. Yeah,
yeah, all right. So we'vebeen here, I don't know,
thirty forty five minutes now, justtrying to get everything, starting to get

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everybody here. And I've already heardthis story at least twice. John The
question I want to know is whydoes David Ift continually refer to you as
the best driver he ever had?What is that all about? I was
the best driver he ever had.He lost his license and I can't remember

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why you lost your life to manyspeeding tickets. Okay, well that's the
story. I got two and oneday. I got time in one night
twice after Back then they did youdidn't know about the day. But the
states, you know, they didn'thave they didn't associate with each other.
So if you got a ticket inGeorgia, the South Caroline of that were

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the driver's license, they never heardnothing about it. But then they started,
so they ended up. I hadlike eighteen tickets in one year.
Yeah, and Dave finally took mylicense. So I was living Barry.
Barry and his wife had had separated. So I went down to stay Barry
and he'd give me a job inthe shop and or in the in the

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bulldozer shot. That's where MC putme to work, you know, so
make some money. But I hadto drive David round. I had a
pretty new seventy seven Silverado truck,pretty nice, true, So I drove
David everywhere. But uh, inthe races, to the golf courses,
lunches, whatever. I was hisdriver and he said, you're the best
driver I ever had. Now didthat come with any special extra compensation?

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Did you get paid extra for theleague? A matter of fact, I
think I bought most of the gas. I can't remember, but I will
tell you one trip we were wewere I was talking about it while I
go. We left Savannah and wecame to Pinehurst when they played a PGA
tournament there and George Cagle, wehad an always friend with the team play
played professional golf. All these oldgolfers remember Georgia. Yeah, so we

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went to the He was a greatguy. And so we we've got there
about from Savannah and left after work. It's about two in the morning.
They were all asleep and we wefind his condo there at Pinehurst and go
in and sleep in the chairs andget up in next morning. And the
caddy was he told us to shutup, lead my player along the shut
up. Yeah. He was talkingto him along the fairways when he was

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hitting, and he'd come over andtalk to us, and he was more
into racing. He loved him.Tagle didn't care about golf. He want
to know. He want to talkabout race. Yeah, playing in the
you know, Pinehurst and the tournaments, and he's talking about So we went
to the tournament and I think wemet Curtis Strange that day. He was
right out of college, and uh, Lee Trevino was there, and I'll
never forget Lee Travino day. Wason the punting tea there and Lee was

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getting ready to walk off and teaoff and these little kids come up to
him and wanted the autograph, andhe said, you'd be here. I
gotta go to work now, yoube here when I get back. And
when we went on, I justsee if he went. He give them
little kids golf balls, gloves everything. Lee Trevino didn't. I said,
no, that's quite the guy here. Ben he met us there. So

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Bennie was a big golf fan.And in that afternoon, that evening,
we drove to Dover in my truck, Me sitting in the middle, Ben
he driving, and David didn't havetheir license. Of course he's on the
other side. We got lost inthe me in the back of the truck.
So we pick up. We getto Dover. It's five or six
in the morning and barely get inthat hotel. So we barely got in
the room the night before. Andthen we get up and go the racetrack

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next morning at Over and I thinkwe run fifth and then me and David
had to drive my truck back becausethen he went someplace else. And that's
when I'm gonna finish the story.That's when we were coming through South Carolina
and David said, what are youputting along? Before he had woke up,
he said, get going. Hesaid, it ain't but twenty dollars.
If you get a ticket, I'llpay the twenty. Pay the twenty.
So I got pulled over natural Iwas running back whatever, so he

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gets me this twenties and the troopersgot I pulled the twenty out of my
wallet. What the troopers still gettingout of his car and I said here,
I didn't mean him to hand hisdriver's license into twenty dollars bill with
and the trooper looked at him wherehe had the twenty dollars? Here go
tell He said, just put thatdown. I ain't finished with you,

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boy. He said, it couldbe anywhere from twenty to a hundred,
and George, I ain't paying nohungry first's telling about getting lost. I
was working with Jake and it wasbeing him and Debby and remember Thomas Thomas
ham Ye, and he's in there. So I'm driving. We get up

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towards Washington C. We're going toDover. That's when I was working a
little bit with the coal miner andh Pearce is gonna drive the car,
and uh, we get we getinto Washington C. Jake says, get
out of the way, says,I'm driving from here since you'll probably get

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us lost. Okay, I likeJake get up here and drive. And
Debby she always sat in the passengerseat, you know, she got to
be there with Jake. Well,I just laid down in the seat.
I look up and I see theCapitol Building and all that stuff, you
know, and I laid back down. I laid back down. I figured

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we're just taking a shortcut or something. All of a sudden, Jake hits
the breaks real hardened, kind ofthrows me up. I look up again.
They ain't going there's the Capitol Buildingagain. We went by it three
times when we got on the rightroad. But I was the one that
was going to get us. Well, Jake couldn't really read no, he
couldn't read. No, you havea teav story about it. He could,

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and that's why she when the beargot after him, my far Pocono
that time, I don't know thatstory. Oh I was working with him.
He was up at the Old Bearcome up in the back there,
Yeah, the Romata Inn. Hewas working up. He was up are
playing cards with Barne in budd Moreand on Steve Eden and all that bunch.
Yeah. Oh yeah. So he'sgot to walk back down the hill

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to that Howard Johnson. Well hecuts there's a path coming through the woods.
Well he comes down that path becauseit's about twelve o'clock night, and
he swear up down the bear gotafter because he slid down the to the
road and run to the motel.And next morning we meet and he's telling

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us all about this bear chasing him. If you could have known, Jake,
he could just imagine how he was. So we get off the elevator,
bear at that little motel and wewalk into us restaurant. We sat
down, ain't nobody come to waiton us, hadn't done anything, and
Jake, in the meantime, he'sstill telling us about this bar got that

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just wear um down. The bearwas seven foot tall, you know,
and so he said, let's go. We're gonna be late. Let's get
up and leave us place. Ain'tnobody gonna wait on us. We go
out the door. We came in, down the steps and going to the
vand Jake looks up. He said, let's go in there and gets a
cup of coffee and biscuit. Okay, we go up the steps, set

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at the bar. He wait onus, skips a cup of coffee and
everything. We were in the samerestaurant. We just slept and Jake in
a different in a different and thisis where we all came to start with.
That's pretty typical, all right.So, David, you were Darryl

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Waltrip's crew chief at Die Guard andyou can't talk about those years without mentioning
Bertham. What made that car sospecial or infamous, whichever way you want
to put it back. And weprobably had cars like that everywhere, but
Daryl start naming these cars, youknow, he was I think the first

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one that started naming cars. Youwould race on a Sunday at Richmond and
then maybe Darlington. You had tosign in Thursday morning. At Darlington.
We'd use the same car. Therewas none of this taking it all apart,
blasting it and all this stuff.You'd go home, chain pull the

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motor. One guy'd be packing thehubs, checking the brakes all out,
changing gear, changing gear. We'dnever take the spindles. We run ball
joints five eight races unless we bumpedthe wall or something in that. But
now these cars nowadays. But henamed that car because we run it.

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Back then it was I think twentyfour twenty six races and we run that
thing twenty twenty two times. Theonly place we didn't run it was Talladega
and Daytona and run that car everywhere. I think I have the fender to
that car at my house, thefront fender of the birth I think,
is it? Do you now?Yeah? So I think that'd look good
in the studio. What do youwant as we'll bring it here? Laying
in the ground talking about Bertha.Why was it? Bertha ran like twenty

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more laps of poking on than anybodydid that one year. I don't know
a little too they had they usedto have scores. Remember they didn't have
the lines going across the trunks.Bertha have a lot of fuel on in
it. Yeah, one time forsome reason, how we got caught.
We need details on birthday? Yeah, you know that the one. You

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know, I noticed that you didn'tanswer my question. Yeah, what made
that car special? There was alot of cheating shit on it. Allowed
to say that. I never forgetwe sold that. That's not the card
that had the nitress in it.That should Tella data. That was a
Yeah, that was a Daytona becausea different car Birtha didn't have nice Yeah,

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so I got the truth out right. Yeah, with that card.
You know everybody date there was fourcard, three cars that qualified about half
a second faster than anybody else atDaytona. And this was nineteen seventy four,
seventy five. There was It wasAJ Foyd's car, Harry Hide's car,

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the Marcus was in it. Ithink AJ was in Hutch's car,
and our card a Gatorade car.We happened to be third in Ramos thought
was four. So they took thefirst four and they caught the AJ and
Hutch right away. They had itin the door panel. Nitrous you got
to have a bottle in a solenoid. They caught his right away. Harry

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was a good deal. He hadis in the radiator, big thick radio
which everybody blocks. Everybody run abig radio. Yeah, they take radio
where a bottle was in the radiator. And then after qualifying everybody's changing their
motors and change radiators, put therace ray here and nobody knew it.
But they caught them with wherever theline was going into the manifold. They

(31:33):
checked that. Well they didn't.They couldn't catch ours. We had to
give it up. Our filling.Where it was was on the bar going
down. Deal I made it,got some hydraulic tube and the row bar.
Daryl could reach over and turn that. They had had a little like
a off and on one of themleaver valves. He could reach the rowbar

(31:56):
pad and covered that and he couldreach over and turn it. Now it
went to the to the It didn'tgo the intake because I didn't want to
the air shelter and went to theairfield underneath. We cut the airfield out
where the throttle linka is like.It had to be cut out. The
clear and the water temperature gauge Itook. I didn't do all this that

(32:20):
we Savannah down in Savannah, golfstream was down there and they had the
most modern technology in them. Rememberthem guys used to come over the shop.
They had the most modern technologies.She said that I would talk to
him about making something, and hesaid I could make something. So I
took. We took the water temperatureline to come out of the firewall and
it went down in the intake.We put a slid in it, and

(32:44):
this guy made the switch the gaugeitself. He had a micro switch in
it. And all you did wasreached a dash and turned the front part
of the gauge and it would kickthat open the throng. It would kick
that sellinoid on in that row bar, and the gas too, and shot
right into the air cleaner underneath.And they never did catch it. And

(33:07):
finally they weren't. They made itso hard of us. After Sunday's qualifying
we never got on the track.They made a stare that car all the
part in the evenings at night afterthe five to ten and throw us out.
Then we come in the next morning, had to put it all back
together, and by that time practicewas over. Now this is Wednesday.

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Bill Francis Jr. Come and hesaid, David, we know you got
it. Where's it at if youwant to race Sunday, you better be
telling us. Bill Gardner, hecomes to me, can they find it?
I said, it's been three days. They ain't found it yet.
And he said I'm gonna sue him. And I said no, no,

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yeah, I said, that's theworst thing. Do you ever want to
race again? I told him,I said, you want to race again
on the basketball? That's right?And nice? Just let him have it.
He said, well, what arethey gonna find? I said,
they didn't find people back then.They just slapped your hand and and made
it hard on it. Well,I told him where that Even Bill France
say, that's the most genius thingI've ever seen in my life. But

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didn't Darrell have one on him?That was later? Did you get fined?
No? No, So really theyjust confiscated and they just confiscated everything.
And we had the stuff back ina taken from this took it like
the fuel cell, the big fuelcell we had and stuff. How prevalent
was noterus in the garage? Oh? It sounds like everybody had it.

(34:36):
Do you remember one how many timeshe had it just so he could get
into the race. Yeah. Whenyou if you ever in the engine man
would know this. You could berunning a motor on a Dino and just
take the bottle and hold it hereto that right there, the carburetor,
and that you'd see them RPMs goup in the horsepower go up. That's
how it's cooling the fuel. That'sall it is. It's it's cooling the

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fuel nitrous ox side did drag racersuse it all the time and everything,
and it was only for really forqualifying that nobody really raced because you can't
put a big enough bottle in thereto Yeah, it's just a bottle would
last that pipe. We figured outit lasts like thirty seconds, thirty two
seconds because we tested it. ThatRobart deal down there, well, the

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lap was fifty something forty eight somethingback then. Whoa. It helped you
when you went by the start finishline. You could do all that in
that little short shoot and then youhad it going down that back straight away.
And that's where NASCAR was smart becausethey clocked everybody's speed down. That
clocks you from corner to corner inthe flat, you know, so they

(35:43):
had everybody's straight away speeds from thisline to this line. You know,
somebody's four tenths quicker going down thatthree cards were like four tenth tenth quicker
down that back straight away. Wepicked up seven tenths at Daytona once.
Yeah, eight tenths and I justsay it was arrow, huh now they
just say it there. Yeah,when you triggered it, did they triggered

(36:04):
the whole the whole bottom, thewhole supply or could you turn it on
and off out it was gone?Okay once you was done qualifying it.
They couldn't sniff it any after that. Yeah, it was gone. So
you couldn't just squirt a little bitand then squirt. Okay, you could
if you had a switch. ButI mean even the drag Richards right now,
when they turn it on, it'son. It's gone. Then they

(36:27):
reload with new balls. You tryto have a switch, they are gonna
catch. You. Just have alever to turn it on. That's it.
And that's how they caught Harry Hideand and Hutch. They had the
lines going into the manifold. Youknow what I mean, it's too obvious.
It's too obvious. You got toowhat do you got going into the
manifold heat temperature line? And that'sit. The old line comes off the

(36:52):
block to check the old pressure.You know, that's the only thing.
And let me tell you this wassickly vapor. Yeah, vapor. The
Kodak car set on the poll lockdown. Well they had they had a lot
in their rear in housing. Yeah, they pumped it from the rear inn
and the four went through the wentthrough the pump, the rear end pump.

(37:12):
Yeah, through the pump. Nowyou're talking about in the Sterling,
Marlin Runt Pittman and Ernie Irving whenthey run so good at Dayton. Tell
day when Ernic could when Sterling andErnic could pull out and pass four cars,
you know, towards it and andif you watched the show the races,
he never done it till the endof the race. That's always been

(37:35):
the story around town, you know. And I know, we got a
guy here works with me here andhe worked on that four car, so
he's pretty much on all right.From Bob Hamilton. One time I was
when I was terist, grew chief. He wanted he was draping them up.
The motors, motors, motors,motor drivers don't driver has never raped
about drivers, don't complain about motors. I know that race starts, they

(37:59):
never saying about the motor. No, it's a calling in the motor practice
qualifying every name, motor, warm, run, motor on. When that
race starts, you never hear nothingabout the motor. But we took and
rented the motor from from McClure.Larry, Okay, we put We had

(38:20):
to do all kinds of cutting inthe frame and different old lines and everything.
We worked all day, hard,week, will work. We got
the motor in there, and wedidn't get no practice because we still spend
too much time getting the motor backin there. So rebuild and so we
go out there and Larry comes overto me before the race. He says,
I'm gonna tape you going to run. I said, well, that's

(38:43):
what I've been running. He said, nah, a bit more taping that
on. So they start the raceand Terry, he's out there run clore
come down to me and says,what's the water temperature? And I asked
Terry what the warm temperature was?He said two thirty. I told Larry
two thirty. He said, yougotta get it hotter than that. I

(39:06):
need at least seventy to eighty.Good lord, he said, put some
more tape on it. We comein, we put more tape on it.
We get it up there about twoseventy and it is hauling freight and
all of a sudden, Terry getsin the wreck and hits and spins out
and hits the wall heads on.This drove just killed the motor to the

(39:27):
car and broke like three or fourribs on Terry. Tape made it loose.
I told him after race, Isaid, see there, you finally
got some horse power during it didn'tcause you to break three rams. Talking
about the like horsepower motor, andwe're talking about them. After that race
starts, nobody talks about the motor. They talk about I can't turn in
the middle. You make it turnbetter. I'm loose going in or I'm

(39:50):
tight coming on, because that's allyou hear. They're not driving in hard.
Qualifying is different. But I'll neverforget when I worked for Budding,
and I what a lesson learned LeonardWood and David Pearson. When they were
winning all the races and setting onpoles, they were leaning against the car
and David Eyes leaned against Bud's car. And because I used to help David

(40:13):
in the evenings on his little sportsmancar. So and I heard David say
that. Leonard Wood said, Leonard, the motor don't feel like it's running.
And Leonard looked at him and hesaid, can point it? He
said, can you get through threeand four white open? And David said,
you know you can't run through theirwide open? And he says,
when we work on the car andget through their wide open, we'll work

(40:34):
on the motor. You gotta letoff, right, Yeah, as long
as you let off, you gotenough horsepower. If you got to let
off, you got to. Andthat was I thought to myself, what
truer words spoken? You know whatI mean that if you can run,
if you need more horse power,why are you letting off the gas?
Yeah? You know, but thatone thing Pierson only said the old Darlington
track back when one and two hesaid, you get me for in my

(40:58):
car can go through one and two, I'll drive it through three and four.
Yeah, Darlington was a type ofrace track. Though you worked on
one tnity other if you got throughone and two, which is if you
spend more, you spend more timein three and four, So you worked
on three and four and four.The old way they had it. Yeah,
three and four. If you gottwo three and four, you was

(41:20):
tight off of two, but youhad to sacrifice one or two when you
got it coming off of two.Good. You were too loose coming off
the four. So that's you workedit straight. You know. I want
to get back to the dw havingthe nitrous on him in his suit.
He didn't have the bottle on him. He had to hook up on him.

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Okay, he how did that work? Well, he had to stuff
on his uniform and then and hewould you could hook it up, you
know what I mean, like aquick coupler. Yeah, and it was
the same deal. We had anydifferent bar though, But just thought I
remember you telling you know he wantedthem private conversation. I remember that he

(42:06):
didn't have a well we put ithad a He had everything on him,
the solenoid and everything. Yeah,you know what I mean. All he
had to do was plug it intothe barn. Yeah, he just plugged
in. So he had to bottlehe had. But we only now who
had the bottle on him. Thatwas Daryl. I thought he had the
bottle or honestly er his uniform orsince we tried that, but hell,

(42:27):
you could you know you had tohave what it was. We done that
a couple of times. It wasa little thin, but you didn't have
enough to yeah, get you leftto sniff the flag into the you was
out, You know you could.You gotta have a bottle. There's so
much in the size of the orificerstoo. You know. I haven't done
this shit in long time, Thisnightrous stuff, but I'll tell you the

(42:49):
best. They're not qualifying cheating thingI ever seen in my life. And
we never done it. I'll takethat back. We did a couple times,
but these guys a golf stream wasdown there kale Yarboro come to drive
for us and back when we gowhen you went testings in the twenty seven
car, in the twenty seven carValvoline car, when you went testing,

(43:13):
you would take them put your light, your beam across the racetrack and they
didn't have no computers that show allthe times and everything. You would put
your light across and then you wouldtest and do changes, and that light
would do the time and they wouldprint it out the data acquisition what they
called it. Back then, youhad more shit on the car and stop

(43:35):
watches where your thumbs were just notaccurate enough. Ye weren't accurate. They
were pretty damn close. Yeah,they were sent sent on pit one bet
who would be the closest one.They announced it for dollar herb Nap,
Bud Moore, Jane, Harry Hide, all of us would set there qualk
and qualifying, and whoever he'd beclosest got the pot. Every car.
I mean, if you was good, you could make up about ten to

(43:57):
fifteen dollars. So what do theydo on this? I told him,
I said, this guy from Golfstream, he was a engineer, some people
John. He'd come by the shopall time. We got to be pretty
good friends with him. And hesaid, what breaks that beam? Where's
the beam? And I said,well, you got this, there's a

(44:17):
light beam. I guess you can't. You can't see it, but watch
and what we said it? AndI said you move it? And he
said what breaks that beam? Isaid, when the car hits it.
You know, the car hits itand breaks the beam. Never heard no
more. About a week later hecomes to me. He says, you
want to break that beam before thecar gets there? And I said,

(44:42):
how the hell are you going todo that? And he said, I'm
gonna work do you Will you doit? And I said yeah, if
if I can't, you know,walk out there and break it. You
could put your hand in front ofit and break the beam. He took
a camera and put a thing ina camera. I don't know what the
hell it was, and you couldstand back on pit wall aiming toward the

(45:05):
beam on that's a NASCAR had itfor qualifying. They had the same rig.
They had it for qualifying, thesame rig. He would take that
camera and when we went and testedand he when Klee was probably thirty yards
forty yards ahead that he hit itand it breaked up beam and give you
a tenth two tenth quicker, whichis two football fields that day today.

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And we got the only guys thatknew about it was me, Pete Peterson,
and Ducky Newman. I didn't knowabout that. No, you didn't
know about it. Harry didn't knowabout it. I was just a kid
hanging out. No, nobody knewabout it. Barrier two cannot no killed
it. We couldn't. We wasgonna use it at Rockingham and Ducky he's

(45:54):
he's going to take a picture likehe's taking a picture he was so nervous
as Ducky Newman, the engine theengine builder. He was so nervous.
He never clicked a damp. Henever clicked And you know we happened to
sit on the pole anyway, wedid. We didn't need it, but

(46:15):
yeah, smoked him at Rockinghammer thatday. Yeah, we and it broke
a vowel spring or something. Rememberwas wearing him out. Yeah, yeah,
Ducky was. You'd go in theengine shot and Ducky would be He'd
just have a head up, aresighting it. You know, that's how
hands on he was with uh andhe we only you know back now they
got twenty guys what they had Duckyand little rose up now. So the
next the next year, that's whenI became the full time weekend guy doing

(46:39):
the tires. When you left andTim Brewer was there, and we went
to Talladega and we slotted the spoileron the back of Kel's car as the
twenty seven Valleine Prettish car worked on. But you know, you put a
big, big on the spoiler,a big piece of metal across the back.
Everybody slotted their spoiler in the middleand then you went and you had

(47:00):
in a truckler and you had afour and a half inch spoiler. So
we slidded the spoiler and made madeour own washers. You couldn't buy them
as big as the slot was.Well, we went through inspection and uh,
they measured spoiler four and a halfinches. We're going to the gas
pumps. Me and Barry and EdThratt and Pete. We're pushing the car.
Peats driving it and we're pushing.We all got quarter inch drive ratchets

(47:20):
and we're undoing that spo sliding itup. So we got a whole another
inch of spoiler on that car.Before we get to the gas pumps,
gazaway. The younger one come over. He said, stop that car,
Joe. Joe. Joe said stopthat car, and we stopped. He
said, take one of them boltsout of the back of that spoiler right
there. Well, happen to havea quarter inch drive ratchet. Here's everybody

(47:45):
coming by, laughing point in fade. We took a bolt out. I
took it out just what I thought. He saw the slot somebody. So
I was this eighteen year old kidand on the team. He looked at
me, he said, boy,you go get me a drill and three
sixteenth drill bit and some extension cordsand pop rivets and you get back here.
Now, man, I took offrunning and brewing. Now everybody's laughing

(48:07):
at us, and we think thepetty's told on us. That's what they
said. So we drilled that backof that car full of and pop rivets
all over. You couldn't move it. You couldn't move it. And he
said, if y'all ever do thisagain, none of you will race.
You've got that brewer, you gotthat rap, you know, yes,
sir, you're servings to gatherway.So we go onto gas pumps, put
that car on the line. Badthing is they never re measured it.

(48:30):
We then we have five and ahalf inches. It was spilled out.
We raised from five and a halfinches a spoilt and never talking about people,
never said no, but let mefinish it. So Daddy bet some
guy two thousand dollars that kel wouldlead the first lap. My daddy and
Cal said, I get it foryou. We started fourth, led the

(48:51):
first lap, got out of thecar and told my daddy. He said,
Johnny, he said, worse,I get a thousand. I want
the thousand. Yeah, got thatto kill with. Where we go out
neat at nights, you know,kill pick up the tab and we go
to in the restaurant and half thesefans are three sheets in the wind and
oh there's kill yarbro and they comeover and signing. Kille was good at

(49:14):
it. He would see, man, that's not me, it's this crew
right here. Boy, they workhard. Yeah, how about picking up
their tab form? And I probablywent out and eight were killed twenty times
and I never seen him pay once. Ye old got a fan to buy
the whole round. Yeah, hewas. Look. He took me and
David Petty out one night in Talladegabecause we would we play the guitars in

(49:36):
the hotel room and we would fillup the bathtuble bud light and everybody,
Ron Bouchard, everybody would come toour hotel room. The doors out,
and that's when you live, stayedin hotels and you know, you see
your car and all night we'd playmusic. And Kell said, we're gonna
play music tonight. Boys. Yeah, he said, well, let's go
get some fishing, and I'm buyingand he bought our dinner and he would

(49:58):
sit there till two in the morning, listening in that hotel and sing as
loud as he could sing, I'llfly away. He liked all them old
songs. And uh, get upand drive a wheels out of that car
until two in the morning, drinkingbudlights all night and drive a wheels off
that car. And couldn't tell youif it was pushing her loose. He
said, I just tightened up mygloves. Boys, that's what I'll do.
That's when I was with Daryl.We was at Darlington one time and

(50:22):
Daryl passed Kale and he looked.He said, after the race all over,
we're in the truck, and hesaid, Cale come back by us
and won the race. And hewas in Hardy's car though, And I
said to Daryl, said, I'lltell you something. I might have been
seeing things. But when I passedhim, I looked in the mirror and

(50:43):
he was pulling his gloves up.That's what he would tell He said,
I guess I'll just pull my glovesup. We'll be all right. And
then he Daryl said, I swearI've seen him. Marry said it looked
like he was swatting bees. Andthere I'm just glad I know, but
cheated. I don't believe that oneword. Now. According to the podcast
you were on bubb And, Ilearned a lot from when a certain guy

(51:07):
worked for Jake Junior Dale Bill EdmandDale Never he called it uh stretching the
rule rules. But you talk aboutDale, We didn't call it like you
said. Somebody squealed on you withthat. If I seen something, I

(51:30):
didn't have to we did it ourselves. We would do it. We wouldn't
tell him nobody. No. Butif I wanted something, I've seen something
in another car that I wanted toknow that it was wrong, all I
had to do was go tell JakeElder or Dale Edman, Yeah, Dale
m Dale Edmand. I'd tell himfirst and you could walk away and everything,

(51:52):
and you could watch him. It'dbe five minutes. There he goes
in NASCAR trailer. He going overthere to tell you know what, Harry
Hyden, You know when when whenwhen Darryl won the first Winston A Star
and hand grenaded the motor right afterthe line, del m and walked by
me and Grandmam. He said,go tell him to check, Go tell

(52:12):
him to check the gaskens. Gotell him check caskens. You know,
I'm like, what's he telling me? You know, you know, you
know it was working for the day. He he never did really do any
of the obvious. Yeah, heknow we would do the obvious stuff.
He uh, he was too busy. We did in everybody's own but we
did ten obvious things so they wouldcatch them, so we could get by

(52:36):
with the things that we wanted toget the worst though, met you and
Brewer and I don't forgot who else, maybe barring. I rather cheated it
and won the race, then golegal one, don't then don't do anything
and run twelve. Yeah, Jacob'scree chief. Everybody was doing it against

(52:59):
you. Yeah, you had todo it. Yeah. But we go
to Texas. We saw on PoleTerry remember yeah, well that night although
you told him that it was inno way we could run with that kind
of setup in that car. Ithink you were in on that deal.
I know Brewer well, and theyall convinced Jacob that was just the wrong

(53:21):
setup for the races. We goin Sunday morning, Jake changes everything on.
Oh he was great for that,I mean sens and listened to him.
Yeah, cook the wedge and nocigarettes. You getting out there on
the track with riding around, theythrow the green flag, tear goes into
one, spins out. That's justhow good y'all were messing with that man.

(53:47):
We went to remember the old Milwaukeecar and the first year we got
Tim Richmond. Our second year whenBarry became the crew chief. So we
tested down there and we stretched thenose out on that pontiact and I mean
we stretched it out like it's threeor four inches. But boy, that
thing was hooked up. Well.The problem was, you remember they had

(54:08):
three four templates, the long template, your two door templates, and your
nose and tail. So the nosefit well the long template. When you
did the long template, it hada notch on the end front to go
over the front of the well thefront end. Our front end was out
here and the knoch it just setup on the car. But if so,

(54:28):
we we developed a plan. Sowe sent red Dog and Todd.
Remember back in the day when youhad to make your own templates off and
nascars and yeah, you take apiece of plywood to the racetrack. Yeah,
you take plywood or construction paper.Then you come back and trace out
a limit. And you had tomake your own templates. Yeah, they
didn't. So we sent Red Dog, Buddy Barnes, and Todd Parrott over

(54:51):
to the NASCAR Center to trace thetemplate. All right, when they got
there, they've had snips in theirpocket. We was gonna to cut the
notch off in front of that template, this is true, was gonna have
to go off a NASCAR's template.We was not gonna get this car through
with that notch that came over thenose. So when Red Dog got there,

(55:13):
he stopped and called. He said, I'm getting ready to go inside.
Well, when he went inside,they went back there and the flagmail
Harold Kender was working. He's comeon back here, and Harold was watching
them trace, trace it out,trace the template, and they had to
trace the whole thing because as alla ruse. So Judy Tucker was our
secretary. She called and said,I need to speak to Harold Kender.

(55:37):
So they called Harold Kender to thefalls, which left Red Dog and Todd
all by themselves of that template,and it was eighth inch, so they
had they cut the nose. Theycut the notch off in front of the
NASCAR template. When we got toDaytona. Now remember the template would go
off the nose and no Pontiac therefit it but ours, you know,

(56:00):
But that I remember when it wentthrough the corner. Dell him and said,
that car right there is hooked up, and we cut that template NASCAR
template, and they run it therest of the year. That thing was,
you know, because we had along car and Tim went in the
corner and that car inverted. Itgot up in the air and we wrecked
it and didn't get to race it. But we cut the NASCAR template and

(56:20):
they run in the whole season.Yea true story. No one that couldn't
win, no race it now,David, when you and Daryl were together,
the most well known story that Ithink I've heard him tell is about
the buckshot and yelling bombs away andall that kind of thing. Did you
have a code word on the radioor did he do that on his own

(56:45):
when we got caught the code worddidn't work. He was supposed to pull
We had a pin in the frameroom. We pull it up and cool
out the the bottom fall out thebottom on the race track. Did it
during the caution? Yeah, Butwhen he when we pitted and a lot

(57:07):
of it didn't come out. Onthe constrac He should have pulled it after
the camel pit road, come outon pit road and a big pile of
it there, And I mean,we're caught. What when you leave a
trail, that's kind of a clue. But if it left the trail on
the race track, it has beendifferent. But it left the trail from

(57:28):
our pitts going out the race trackand then we were caught red in.
That was at Bristol, that wasat Wooksburrow with Daryl. Daryl, how
many times did you use it?It's hard for me to remember. Maybe

(57:49):
it's easier. How many times didyou not? You? Yeah? What?
What? Another thing? I wasstupid? Die we were We had
a gas tank that they they didn'ttear them mountain measure meraaning then they just
stuck a rule down in the sideof it, pulled it over. Okay,
twenty by what we're to say?No could be cheated up? You

(58:10):
hit the all the measurements, Yeah, you hit all the amazements. How
it could be cheated up? Well, they used to put the cars up
in the trailer at night. Wellthe rack was square tube and flat bolted
down the amazing me But we hada gas tank made like take a gas
tank over gas tank and then ina big bladder. When you filled it,

(58:31):
the top would come up. Itheld twenty six gallons. It was
just sitting over the bottom, soit just slid up just the bladder pushed
it up because we had a specialbladder mate. Well, at night,
when we put the car weight puta different rack on it. We put
a different rack that had pegs onit. Yeah, so a lot of
cars had pegs on it because theirfuel cell is uphire. And that's how

(58:54):
you're regulated. Because you load yourcar a lot of nights. You are
we're going to load the car,and we always loaded. You always loaded
it, how agger, because youwork on it in the truck. The
groad stuck the whole roof. Youfollow him in the car and while you
loaded it and you pull the doordown, we in they're switching. We
never had no big fuel of salesfrom I worked at. We had a

(59:15):
I'll tell you what we want arace with it. We went about eight
laps further than than anybody else didn'twant. I don't know where where was
that when Jeff went seventeen laps faringDavid did at Charlotte that one time.
Remember the helmet that we had withBinnis and the side of the helmet out
and the helmet wagh one hundred pounds. We poured it full of lead.

(59:36):
So so take the helmet and youpour it full of hot lead and let
it melt, and then you letit harden and grind it. Helmet one
hundred pounds and you could you couldput the helmet in the car when you
went through inspection like it was landthere. They never lefted the helmet.
We had a roll of tape thatlooked it was lead, looked like a
roll of tape, the goggle box, the buble, it was. Leave
that on the dash and they neverreached area. You just went through and

(59:59):
they never wade the cars. Afterthe race, we we'd have one hundred
and twenty thirty pounds on that car. But the harder race, the hard
part was and then you get readyto put Benny in the car, you
know, but oh my gosh,we don't have the right helmet we got.
We gotta get the radio helm,get the radio. So the guy
had to walk back. We putthe biggest guy with a hundred pound helmet

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in your right hand and you hadto be real cool walking back to the
because you were carrying one hundred poundsin this hand alone and put the right
helmet. And National Juniors we hadthem h wheels on the right side.
Didn't he have wheelsport full of lead? I always hurt. Yeah, we
we would uh start the race onhim. When we were at Wilkesborough and

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we was about to get left.I mean we couldn't get out the wrong
way of him. They didn't havethis two hundred pounds bunny he's driving.
And finally he just acts like themotor quits running, stopped right under the
flak stand and they threw the college. We didn't get laught, so we
come in, get the wheels off, Come in, got them wheels on.

(01:01:05):
Yeah, and when we all waiting, like you said, we always
took the biggest guy to pick themup and carre them back. You had
to get him over. Well,there wasn't no wallet Wilsburg and he just
rolled them back. The kid.But boy, and like you said,
after the race, they didn't waitto call. Now they we took off.
We won the race after we tookhim wheels off. He's two tents
quicker than everybody two tents slower beforeyou took him off. Oh now,

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what did you ask about the wheelswith lead? From what I always understood
that Junior Johnson had a set ofwheels that he would qualify with, and
they qualify bad. You know,they didn't sit on a lot of poles
killed in and inside the wheel theyhad a trought in there and they were
full of lead. So every wheelwas maybe forty fifty pounds heavy that he

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would qualify with and start the race. And if you remember, cal would
go backwards when the race started,and after the first pit stop they got
them wheels and tires off and he'dmow the field down to be one or
two laps. This is in theseventies. One won three championships in a
row. He'd be a lap ortwo on the field. They come in
and last pitstop and put them heavywheels and tires back on go out.
When they did start weighing cars,and it was always on short tracks because

(01:02:13):
they had interliners on the big tracks. Couldn't you now where was the lead?
And just just imagine the wheels roundThey made a like a like a
trough that went all the where aroundit inside of and then poured all that
full of lead sealed off and he'dqualify and run with those. I've always
heard that. I never seen him, but but I learned some stuff when

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Harold Elliott became our engine builder andhe was up there and so he told
us a love that I can't believewe ever done anything like that. I
believe, I do believe. Onething we did have a juniors we did
was in the left side. Wetook and put a worm gear all the
way down through the frame rail.Took a eighty pound piece of tons good

(01:02:58):
moving from front of them could moveit. We put two motors, one
at the back of the frame rail, one the other that worm gear would
run and on the bottom of thattunskan that had little wheels that's slight.
You could hit the switch like ifyou needed more noseway, you could gain
to two percent more noseway moving itback. And did you get it out
of there? Well, we ranit and we were testing it and Terry's

(01:03:22):
in messing with it during practice overat Charlotte. Well he comes in hemember
Old garage area. He comes in, pulls up just so happens. Dick's
then there talking to Junior up againstthat old work bench we had back in
and Terry comes in. He stops. All of a sudden, the dash

(01:03:43):
just goes. We'll hear something goingand Dick says he didn't stopped talking to
Junie Base looking at the car,thinking bro I said, things are running
hot. Now how did it goagain? But it was winding. You

(01:04:03):
could hear it everywhere, and allof a sudden the whole dash just went
up and smoked. Well that wasthe end of that. We went to
U Daytona one time. We're rustyin the Grand Prix and you know how
you would square everything off sharp,it wouldn't fit none of them. You

(01:04:24):
know. They had a round temperatefor the tail all up around the car,
so nothing fit. No Pontiac's gotthrough inspection. Everything was sharp as
could be and they said you're goahead to fix it. You ain't going
out for practice. So in theold garage the clash was over, so
you couldn't do buondo work around everybody. You had to go pick you out
of garage and work on the car. So we went over the Yeah,

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well we taped up the windows andwe had our own style over there.
When the bush clash cars had gone. We taped up the windows, got
the primer and got the bondo outand went in there and uh, we
mixed up brondo and primer and weprimed all the every place the car didn't
fit the template, we just prayedprimer on it. We mixed up bondo,
cheese, raped it at every corner. We picked it up and rubbed

(01:05:09):
it all over with us and allthat, and the inspectors come in.
He said, y'all the only oneshere's worked on your car. Popped the
sticker on there, and we wentout and qualified. We never touched the
race car, just made a wholescene. It looked like we did.
Yep. That was a codak Carywent out and qualified, but never changed
the thing on the car. Youremember when Gary brought that one guy in

(01:05:31):
there. He still works, Ithink, and we called him bump Ashore.
You remember him. He went aroundwith a gay game. One job
and that was to take down atile a day, go take the rear
bump of template to each car andgo by and it had you know,
we need to be too narrow,too wide or something. That boy caught
more cussing than one day than anyman. But you know, the race

(01:05:55):
and nowadays have changed so much.And I know people might not want to
hear, but you can't get awaywith all that stuff the way the rules
are. That's why they liked this, David. Yeah, that's what people
like this. This is that youcould you could do because inspectors, believe
it or not, You could givethem a jacket and a couple of hats
and stuff. And I won't tellif this who it was, but I

(01:06:16):
when I was the kid. Yousee, I'm the young one in the
group, but I got to bewith all this because I was a kid
growing up. I personally was handeda bag of cash going into Daytona one
morning. So this inspector would letus put our corporator on the car,
and it was a bag one hundreddollar bills and they said, let John
carry. Nobody's gonna bother him.Ye, nobody. And I carried that

(01:06:39):
bag of cash in there and handedit back to the engine builder. We
always had people coming back doors andstuff, and the inspects were guys that
had jobs and everything, and youknow, like what's his name from Nashville
though always yeah, he had afire stingers your company. He was a
awful goal him, and I meanyou would always they had jobs too.

(01:07:03):
Yeah, they all had jobs,and everybody come up and everybody ran his
firts things. And believe it ornot, like he was talking about John
coming on the weekends, and mostof your help at the racetrack was week
weekend help. Yeah, we'd haveyou took the guys out of the shop.
You when you hired somebody. Oneof the reasons I hired Barry your
brother because he was a good jackman, you know, a real good body

(01:07:26):
man. Buddy yep, body hanger, jackman and everything. But I'm gonna
tell you something, Barry your brotherwas probably one of the best people I
ever had race day. He wasa true racer. He race day he
knew he could watch clock cars,who got two tires, four tires.
He was such a help to mewinning all them races that we want st

(01:07:51):
strategy. I'd clocked the leader allthe time and he'd get on whoever pitted.
He'd say, them tires drop offin eight laps, let's just get
too Yeah, they're back to whereI mean to tenth. He was excellent
race He had us that way.When he was a crew chief for us,
we all had while the race wasgoing on, we all had jobs.
I remember it, Watkins Glen whenwe pit it on the last lap

(01:08:13):
and won the race with Rusty.The only time it's ever been done in
the history of the sport is juston one of your podcasts here recently.
But what happened is we knew wewere going to run out of gas,
and we pitt and we were racingTerry Lebonni, and Barry said, Rusty
saved fuel. He said, wegot we're gonna lose it one lap to
go. We're gonna have to pit. He said, save fuel when we
come by first lap, and andyou were working for Terry, I think,

(01:08:35):
and we were beating him a tenth. Two laps later, we was
beating him a tenth and a halfa lap. So I go over to
Barry and I said, hey,man, I said, we're doing the
wrong thing saving fuel. I said, if we if we we let the
hammer down, we're gonna have abig lead when we run out. We
had a twenty eight or twenty threesecond lead when Russia said the lights on,

(01:08:57):
I'm out of gas, and hesaid hit it, and he come
coasting down pit road and we wonthat race. Hit in that car because
he we changed our strategy. Hesaid, Russa said, you're kidding me.
He said, you want me togo? He said, go man,
turn it loose, and he Imean, he let her go and
we had it. I thought itwas a twenty eight second lead and we
come out one but leven twelve whenthere was no pit road speed either.
No, but it didn't mal becausehe was coasting down pit road. I

(01:09:18):
remember, y'all game the lock becauseI was jacking and I come around the
car and fell down and that slowed. I'll stopped down? Is that fan?
Now, y'all were fast, don'tget me wrong. I'm not taking
that away from it. But Ihelped you a little bit on that one.
But you know, there's one story, and I don't care if I
ever get telling no story here,but it's on your brother. I wouldn't

(01:09:40):
doubt that. Well, back inthe day we were at Talladega. We
was all working at juniors. MeBrewer, Mike Hill had that little gang,
you know, and of course youhad Bear and Gin and all of
them. So Micky Gibbs live over. He had a place y well,

(01:10:00):
he had three ponds and at thattime we all loved the fish, fish
fish fish. Well, we goand that's all we worried about. We
could down qualify on Wednesday. Weset around for four days so we covered
the call it up. We allwent fishing. We um j D McDuffie.
We sold him a set of tiresso we could go buy us a

(01:10:23):
trolling motor from one of the boatand went to the die Hard truck and
got us a couple of batteries torun the trolling motors. So we're all
set. We slashed by Bud Wiser, so we had all the beer we
could drink. So we go overand bearing Jimmy come over later and Neil
had put in some boats. NeilBonnet had carried some clap bottom boats over

(01:10:44):
there so we'd have them. Anduh, we're out there fishing. It's
men Brewer and Terry one boat,and Mike Hill and Bud Green and the
other boat. And we were justcatching him coming going a little bass about
a foot and a half, catchingthem things, you know. And they
told us to take my out ofthere because there was too many of them.

(01:11:04):
Minute. So we we fished andburying them every time they'd done,
moved to another spot they'd always cutright at us and give us awake,
you know, and try to turnus. So we had a we had
a good tea, did all that. We had a good time. So
we got ready to leave that nightit's dark, I mean, we didn't
fish till it's dark. Well,Baron Jimmy's still out there. You can

(01:11:27):
hear them talking, run around thecoat and they trying to get back.
The trolling motor had quit on them, the head and the batteries dead,
and you can hear the oars hittingthe side of the boat, you know.
And they were going to be alittle while getting back. So we
had all them fish. Well,you remember back in Pontiac would give us.
Pontiac was good about giving the Pontiacteam's vehicles we always but they had

(01:11:51):
one of them nice mute Pontiacs.That fishing. We took gab the I
mean it was twenty thirty fish,took it up there and they left the
car unlocked. We couldn't believe itopened the door, and we put them
behind the seat. We put thembehind that seat. We put them under
the seat. We put them awire and left next day we all this

(01:12:15):
laughing, you know, going backin mocktail. We king hardly standing.
We get back next day with trackand they parked right the sides, you
know, and the whole time,the whole day, they never said a
word to us. This was onSaturday. We had a happy hour and
all that's today. We didn't run. They didn't run me in the laps,
so we didn't either. They stillain't said a word about that fish

(01:12:40):
nobody. Well, Sunday morning,we come in, we're going up,
you know, start getting the carsready. Well back in a lot of
the truck drivers head this habit ofcranking their trucks and building the air bags
up. You know. Well,Budd jumped up. He was driving our
truck. I think Henry just workingweekends at that time, or he might

(01:13:01):
have done left and looks with HarryHide at the time. I can't remember.
Anyway, Bud goes over, hecranks up by truck and when he
did, fish guts, scales,fish heads and everything came out of the
bikes and coverage every trucks, fishfish out of that. When they cut

(01:13:27):
him all up first, Yeah,they got him all put him in the
we had the mice chrome. Yeah, and you ain't never seen something and
just so half Junior was just gettingthere and he youmemb right there and where
he had the bathrooms, and youwalked in that game right there in front
of the trucks. He had justwalked in and by half the fish landed

(01:13:50):
on and when started when we seenthat, you could see it from the
garage, just fish cloud. Ohmy god, that was I'll never forget
it, and I know we willget Barry looked up and saying, he
said, we wonder what happened allthat fish. Barry was quick, Oh

(01:14:15):
he didn't never get him on anotherHe was quick on the comment he was
he was I like the Barry.He was one of the kind. He
was just so down to earth,so just a good guy. Oh yeah,
we miss him, Dave. Thatwouldn't he come back from Talladega and
they went in that dropped him off. He come running back out of the
house when his wife packed everything upand went back to North Carolina. We

(01:14:39):
were in Savannah, Georgia then,and he whoa, whoa come in there,
and it so happened. The nextmorning, you remember Buddy and JP
sapped the wrecord service guy Buddy Buddysapp comes in and says, Barry,
what what happened? Well, themoving truck when we were in Talladega backed
in the front yard, cave theseptic tank. Yeah, it was a

(01:15:01):
rental truck backed right up to thefront door and the septic tank caved in.
And Buddy Sap on this record servicewhen we're in Talladay on a Saturday
or Friday, he went out thereand pulled that rental truck out, So
he knew all about its laving.You know, He's the one who pulled
that truck out and knew where Barrylived because he was in the shop all
the time. Yeah, that wasthe funny thing. And he come in

(01:15:24):
there and says, Barry, whatare you You're going to fix your hold
in the front yard. He nevereven knew. He said, what are
you talking about? He went homethat night and he called. He said,
the damn septic tanks can't So youwas talking about Jimmy macall while ago.
So Barry was a jackman on theKody Act team and Jimmy set the
car up him and Barry together andthen I was a rear tire changer and

(01:15:45):
Jimmy was a front tire changer.So we were arrested at Wilkesboro. Got
a lot of Wilkesburg just got somehere. Ye. That's the reason I'm
glad to tracks back. It's gotto all of the older guys. It's
got a lot of memories. Sowe we come in, the caution come
out, and we was running,wasn't running great that day, and I
think we were eighth and the cautioncome out and was it was thirteen laps

(01:16:08):
to go and the caution come out, so no pit wall or nothing.
And I kind of walk over toJimmy. You know, we're getting ready
for the pits. Barry's rusty pitfour tires. And I go to Jimmy
and I said, I'm gonna putI'm gonna tighten four lug nuts. Jimmy
says, I'm gonna tighten three.I'm like, man, I mean that's
twelve lug nuts. It's tight.I said, all right, let's yeah.

(01:16:31):
I said, let's get it wellbass hoose rewards two. I think
back then, because this was eightyeight, eighty eight, I think we
wanted eighty and eighty nine there.So Rusty comes in. We tightened three
lug nuts a piece on that car. We didn't even tell Barry and we
tightened three lug nuts, beat everybodyout of the pits, come out in
the lead. Well, but timethey get ready to start back at eight

(01:16:53):
was seven eight laps to go andRusty lad the rest and we won the
race with twelve lug nuts tight onthat car. We was in victor lane.
They put us up on the ramp. Me and him was squatting down.
Put y'all are probably one of thereason Blosts come down to the shop
the next one and told us webet to get our ship together, Junior

(01:17:14):
Johnson. Don't lose it, Wilks. But they had a big deal in
the paper about how fast bit crewwas. We never did say, well
just twelve looking us, but weif we didn't win Wilkesborough, that's right,
you better. I mean you knowhow many times Flosts would come down
to the shop and tell the chickensain doing that good? Right now?
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Now, Steve, I am tellingyou, man, this interview is

(01:19:13):
now the blueprint for any group roundtablediscussions that we do in the future.
David F Pete Wright, and JohnDodson. Words cannot even begin to describe
what it was like to be inthe room that day. They came in
the door telling stories, and thenthey told tales for more than two hours
while we were on the record,and then they kept right on going after

(01:19:36):
we finally hit stop on the cameraand recording software. I am not surprised.
I know these fellas very well,just like you do. And I'm
telling you when they started talking,you better be listening, and as you
listen, you will be lapping.Now. Best of all, I didn't
have to do anything to keep theconversation going when lag because it never did.

(01:20:01):
And the phrase, hey you rememberthe time is now music to my
ears and hopefully to our listeners.You remember that time that we were doing
this and doing that, and offthey would go again. Now. Also,
here's something else that I thought wasvery cold. David and John said
that they hadn't seen each other intwenty years or more, but once they

(01:20:24):
started laughing and cutting up boom.They were right back there in John's pickup
truck and John serving as David's shallwe say, chauffeur. You could hear
it at the very beginning. Theywere in the middle of talking about Dell
mccallart when we started recording, andrather than cut all that out and begin
with them introducing theirselves, I includedeverything because you can't beat a good Del

(01:20:48):
mccallart story. I know you can't, and they're playing, So what are
we going to break down this week? We have all heard about nitrous oxide,
and from the sound of it,everybody had it on their car at
one time or another. And thiscomes straight from David Ift and John Dotson.

(01:21:11):
So if you're a fan of thisteam and its drivers, don't shoot
the messenger. A lot of teamsuse nitrous up to and including quite possibly
Morgan McClure Motorsports during their heyday onthe Superspeedways with Ernie Irvin and Sterling Marlin.
You don't say I'm gonna duck now, baby, Now I have to

(01:21:33):
say something. Rick. Back innineteen seventy eight, as you know,
dec Oer was caught for the nitrousbottle in his car car wreck tour back
to Sheepman. There it was foreverybody to see. He got a twelve
week suspension for that. Now alot of us at that time thought,
wow, this is gonna do itfor nitrous ockside. I mean, NASCAR

(01:21:56):
just came down hard on dec andhe said, the guys, they're not
gonna try that shop. Well,apparently I was very very wrong. Hey
didn't go away. It even grew. I got better at hiding it,
obviously, Daryl Walter. According toone David Ift, had the trigger for

(01:22:16):
his Notitresus bottle in his suit,so he was basically hooked into the car.
Now, my question is this,what if he had to get out
of the car really quickly in theevent of an accident, I guess he
would have been trailing the NOTS oxideline behind him. So if DK gets

(01:22:36):
busted for NASCAR officials seeing the bottleon his car after a wreck, maybe,
just maybe DW would have been caughtif he'd had to get out of
the car really well. He mayhave had a coupler where he could separate
the line from the bottle, butthey still would be kind of larous seeing
him walk away from his car withit looks like a rubber hose dead cliff

(01:22:58):
from his uniform. Now, nitrousoxide was great and all that, but
here are some of the very bestNASCAR cheating stories that we have ever had
here on the show, quite possiblythat we will ever have on the show.
When Kell Yarboro drove for mc andersonand David and John were working there,
Kel had some people from golf Streamwith him at the racetrack. Now,

(01:23:19):
of course, golf Stream is theprivate aircraft company. The golf Stream
guy asks about the timing light andeventually gets his bright idea and he says,
I'll be back. He gets backto the racetrack and he's got a
camera rigged up with some sort ofcontraption that could apparently shoot a laser that

(01:23:41):
would trip the timing light a littleearly. You gotta be kidding me.
He didn't do that. According toDavid Eppt, it might have been used
a time or two. Of course, a little early means less time on
the clock, which men in turna faster speed up on the qualifying board.

(01:24:01):
They ever heard of anything like that? Keep listening to our podcast,
Buddy'll learn something. Then, whenJohn Dodson was with Blue Mike's Racing.
All the teams made their templates offof the ones that NASCAR had on hand.
Those were the official templates, andteams would go in and they would
trace NASCAR's templates and then make theirown set back at the shop, and

(01:24:27):
Blue Mix had already built up Pontyacts for Tim Richmond and the nose wasn't
going to fit according to them,it had some kind of notch on the
front of it. So they hadBuddy Barnes and Todd Parrott go to NASCAR's
shop to supposedly trace the official templates, and they were met there by Harold
Kendrick, who most fans would knowas the chief starter, the guy who

(01:24:50):
weighs the flag at the Starve Race. Harold was standing there watching Buddy and
Todd got to work, and justabout that time, just by chance,
I'm sure, the Blue Mix secretary, Judy Tucker. Do you remember Judy,
Oh yeah, very well. JudyTucker called the NASCAR shop and asked

(01:25:10):
to speak to Harold. So Haroldleaves to take the call, and Buddy
and Todd they take a pair ofsnips and they cut NASCAR's template to fit
their car, not the other wayaround. And that's the spec that teams
had to meet at Daytona and fromwhat they said, the rest of the
year and nobody fitted but blue mix. Now that is a devilish plot.

(01:25:36):
Go into NASCAR's own headquarters, treattheir own template to fit your car and
nobody else's. And they used itby distracting the inspector Harold Kinder with a
phone call. How about that.There's trickery afoot, I tell you,
tricker what a plot. And thenthere were Junior Johnson's lead wheels. Wheels

(01:26:03):
the driver, whoever it was atthe time, would qualify on these things
that had twenty to fifty pounds ofextra weight in each tire, and they
would have to start the race withthe lead tires. But once they came
off on the first stop, whileI the car is suddenly up to two

(01:26:24):
hundred pounds LIDDERD. There's another masterscheme. I'm going to play NASCAR advocate
here. Can you imagine the damagethat one of those things could have done
and probably did do at one timeor another, if they had come off
in an accident. Yeah, you'reright about that. A much heavier wheel

(01:26:45):
would cause much more damage. Ifit came off. A regular sized wheel
can do a lot of damage,sure, but one with up to fifty
pounds more weight. Who Mercy Junioralso had a deal where a worm gear
could move an eighty pound weight backand forth through the left side frame rail

(01:27:05):
with motors at the front and backto move it this way and that.
You gotta be kidding me. Motors, you know, they make noise when
they work. Pete was at atest session with Terry Lebanni and Junior and
Dick Batty just so happens to bein their garage style talking to Junior when

(01:27:26):
Terry comes back in. Now,Dick Beatty is the Winston Cup director,
the top cop. Well, thesheriff was about to get busy. All
of a sudden, those motors kickin moving that weight and it's going Dick,
here's it. And then the dashboardgoes up in smoke. Now it

(01:27:49):
gets better or worse, depending onyour viewpoint. Here's the one that's be
all to end all, David,he would give the official team jacket to
look the other way, And accordingto John Dots, he was once given
a sack of hundred dollars bills togo give to a certain inspector so that

(01:28:09):
he would let them put their carburetoron the car. Now, Steve that
it's pretty steep right there. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you why they
thought they could get away with it. How do I praise this? At
that particular time, NASCAR inspectors didnot make a lot of money, and
I think the teams knew that,and knowing that, maybe they might have

(01:28:30):
decided, hey, we might beable to get our weight if we give
this guy a little extra income.Now, I don't say that happened often,
but I can see the reason forit now. I certainly don't think
it wasn't across the board thought.Now, I don't think that every inspector
was on the take, but youcan see where they might decide that might

(01:28:51):
be a good thing to do,given how the inspectors really made their money.
Here's another one. Chief Tattletale inthe garage, David said that if
he wanted NASCAR to know about somethingthat another team was doing, he would
not go to NASCAR. He wouldtell either del Enman or Jake Elder if

(01:29:14):
they would take care of it forhim, particularly Jake Elder, if he
thought things were wrong. If NASCARwas doing something wrong or a team was
doing something wrong. He would nevershy about expressing his opinion. Never.
We also added another story to ourrace pool Hall of Fame or now bud

(01:29:36):
More Jake Elder, Harry Hide.Basically anybody who is anybody at the time,
they all had their stopwatches and theygot into a contest to see who
could get their stopwatch closest to theofficial qualifying time, and they would put
maybe a dollar a car they couldwalk away with up to ten fifteen dollars

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each my night, sound like alot of money, but it I could.
I've said this before on the show. Competitors of all sorts in NASCAR
are not shy about gambling, notat all. I have had a lot
of people ask me over the years, what has been my favorite interview that
we've done, And I can't tellhim. I'm not trying to blow smoke

(01:30:18):
or anything, but We've had alot of good interviews here on the show.
Sure, but this story that I'mfixing to share it is going to
go into my top two or threefavorite stories ever, and I'm not too
sure that it would be possible toknock it off that perch. So here
he goes, all right, thisbetter be good. Pete writes fish story.

(01:30:42):
Pete and some of Junior's other crewguys they go fishing up at Mickey
gives his place in Alabama, andBarry Dotson's there and he's trying to swamp
Pete's boat. Every time Barry moveshis boat, he tries to swamp Pete.
Pete and the rest of his guys. They leave that night and it's
dark and Barry's car is there andit's unlocked, and you talk about temptation.

(01:31:08):
If it was temptation, they bithard end goes fifteen twenty thirty fish
all in that car. Oh no, Now, do not get the impression
that this was a deed that wentunpunished. Oh no, retribution was swift
and it was terrible. They getto the racetrack the next day. Their

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parked next to each other, andBarry says nothing about the fish in his
car. And Bud Greene, whowas driving Junior's holler at the time,
he goes to start the engine onthe hauler and when he did, cut
up fish and guts and scales andbones and heads and tails and fins and

(01:31:53):
whatever starting flying everywhere. Oh lord, what a man a mess. Hey,
that's my joke. Barry and orhis accomplices had cut up the fish
that they had caught, and theyhad dumped it down the exhaustack on the
side of the hall. Oh wait, it gets better. Oh yes,

(01:32:17):
who shows up at just the righttime. Junior Johnson and he's got this
nasty gunk all over him. Steve, can you begin to imagine Junior Johnson's
reaction? No, I can't be. I think it must have been that
very, very angry Junior Johnson standingthere. For sure. He didn't know

(01:32:39):
what was going on. Look athim, he's total mess. I would
like to have been Pete Wright andBarry Dodson and whoever else was involved.
You can just imagine their reaction.Okay, I'll just go ahead and pack
my bags. I'm out. I'mgood. That's right, went a little
too part this time, boy,Hey, race fans. John Dodson here

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Sainbot Podcast and Steve. Just soour listeners know, this conversation between David
F. John Dotson and Pete Wrightwill continue next week and that episode will
drop for everybody on December fourteenth,and again, that will be our last
episode of twenty twenty two. We'regoing to take the week between Christmas and

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New Year's off and then, Steve, we already have one well of an
interview already in the can to startoff twenty twenty three. The Petty Brothers
Maurice Petty's sons aren't Timmy and Richiewell Rick. We've ended to zero two
too with a band. Now we'recoming back in in two zero two three

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Steve, I'm telling you and I'msorry. I shouldn't go on about
it, but but that was thatwas some of the most fun I've ever

(01:37:33):
had journey manage. I mean Ididn't have to talk. Yeah, I
did not have to say. Itwas I got the right idea. Let
him rip. I'm not I justmight say a few things here and there,
but let him rip. Okay iswhat this is what the listeners want.

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