69. RE RELEASE: Michael Swango & The Murder of Jason Bass

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, I'm T Lisa and I'm Sarah. Welcome to the
Shit Show a half as True Crime podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's us.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I thought you weren't going to speak like you. I
heard you hit the button, but then you weren't saying anything.
And I'm like waiting for it.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
To start the count because I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I don't know, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Always do that. Then there's an awkward gap that we
have to take.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Out one yet, right, I mean I'd rather that than
like half of your name being said.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's just T Lisa.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, it's us. Ah. So how was your on an
eventful week?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Super uneventful like you told you before we started, I
was like, I did less this week this past week
than I yeah said last week when I did nothing.
I did some super exciting things like clean out my basement.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Oh I need to do that badly.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
At first, I was annoyed because we were putting a
new shelf in for the kids bullshit down there, and
I was like, I don't want to go through all
this stuff. I just don't want to do this right now.
But then as I was doing it and going through
like their old books to give to other people that
we know or whatever, I was like, oh, this looks
so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Right, Oh my god, Well you've seen my basement and
how one half has Christmas thrown up in it because
my kid and then the other half. Canton also built
new shelves down here, but in the process of doing so,
for some reason, even though he didn't tear the old
shelves out, they're still there. For some reason, he took
everything off the old shelves and piled it in the
middle of the fucking floor with no rhyme or reason,

(01:36):
just tossed it all in a pile in the middle
of the floor. Honestly, one of the moments that I
would really wanted to either murder or divorce him because
it's still a mess because I haven't had time to
come down here and fix it. So every time I
have to come down here to record, I just see
it and it drives me insane.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Right, Oh my gosh, this is going to be embarrassing
to say out loud to the world. But one of
the toades that we had to there was just like
kid little baby stuff from all of the kids, but
like one tote of random stuff. He's like, I thought
we got rid of all of our baby stuff, and

(02:11):
I was like, I think we did. And I walk
over and I was like, this was stuff that I
couldn't get rid of, just outfits that I really liked
or remembered, like from each kid or whatever. And then,
in some sort of bizarre pms hormonal tired bullshit, I
almost started fucking crying.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm sorry, who are you right?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I was like I have to go, and was like, beer,
what is happening right now?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I was like, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I definitely
have a pile of stuff that from Connor that I
just couldn't get rid of. I know, have like shirts
that we bought him places that we went and someday,
I keep telling myself, I'm gonna make him one of
those shirt quilts. It's pably never gonna happen, but the

(03:01):
ideas there.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
The idea is there. Yeah, So I washed all of
those clothes impact them up to give to my sister
in law who's going to have a baby sometime this year.
The only other thing that I can think of to
talk about is that I watched the night Stalker thing
on Netflix. And I know I'm like kind of late
to the game, but I have three kids in a
podcast and remote learning and all of this, so I
still haven't even thought about watching it, So I don't

(03:23):
get to watch thingspadrauten. I got my kindle, broke my
kindle out, and I had it set up in the
kitchen connected to my headphones while I was making dinner.
No kids are allowed in the kitchen while I'm cooking,
because I don't play. That makes me like, irrationally angry
when other people are in the kitchen while I'm cooking.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Because it's stupidly annoying. How often you have to fucking
sidestep around everybody because they are always in your way.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yes, okay, so I guess it's not irrational then. But
so I watched it because I saw a lot of
posts in the different true crime groups that I'm in
saying like, oh, they thought it was boring because it
was all about the detectives, or that it was too
gory or whatever. And I watched it and it's literally called,
I think, the Hunt for the night Stalker, so it's

(04:05):
the detectives right walking you through everything that happened. I
thought it was fascinating and there were stuff in there
that I didn't know about. Yeah, you know, like they
have some of the survivors on there talking and stuff,
so I thought it was really it was less about
Richard Ramirez and more about how they figured out who
he was and about the victims themselves too, So I

(04:25):
thought it was really interesting and I didn't think it
was very gory. They did have some crime scene photos,
but like, maybe it's just my brain doesn't care about a.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Lot of that stuff. Yeah, I definitely. Yeah, after you
told me that you watched it and that it was
more from that perspective versus like the murderers, I do
want to watch it now.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
At some point, I hate anything that's like glorifying, right,
I guess some of the posts that I shared after
this where people were saying how sometimes Richard Ramirez was
hot and stuff, and like you make me want to vomit.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, I don't understand, Like, Okay, I don't know. It's
just weird, Like somebody can be physically attractive, but the
things that they do or did make them unattractive.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You know what he did, now, it's not like he's
just some random person walking down the street that you
don't know about or whatever. Like you know what he did,
and you know that he had halatosis.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Ooh that was gross.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Vallin truly, I think we tried out this before too.
Ted Bundy was not hot.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Like, no, I don't. That's one of the I do
not understand why or how people find or found him attractive,
because no, thank you.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, I don't know, but that's has nothing to do
with this conversation. But I was just I don't know.
I enjoyed watching it. I thought that it was interesting
to watch.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, I'll definitely check it out at some point. I
literally never have time to watch TV by myself, so
when I don't know, but sometime.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, I don't really either. But one day, the kids
were playing outside and I was folding laundry, so I
was like, all right, I'm gonna do this even though
I have like I had. I think the episode or
the case I'm doing today has a snapped, and I
was like, should watch the snap, but I really want
to watch this. I think I texted you. I was like,
I'm trying to do like three things at once. I
really want to watch this, and You're like, do it.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I'm very helpful. Yeah. Yeah. My excitement from the week
was that I had an eye appointment and I got
to pick up new glasses for the first time in
two years, which, honestly, trying on glasses with a fucking
mask on is obnoxious and extremely hard. And now I

(06:51):
don't know, I like, am I gonna look good in
those glasses? Now? Am I not? What's going to happen?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's your whole face, right, Yeah, you were sending me
pictures of yourself in the glasses or whatever, and You're like,
masks are wearing a mask to this is stupid? And
I sent a selfie I was on the arc trainer
at the gym after my hit class, yeah, which I
wore a mask through the whole time. I was like,
trust me, I know.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I don't understand how people wear glasses and masks,
Like I.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Think you can get defunding wipes and something that you
put under your mask to hold it out or something.
Mallory keeps sending me like links for stuff because I
will ditch NonStop about if I have to leave the
house and forget to put my contacts in right because
of the mask and fogging everything up. So Mallory will
just be like, let's solve this problem. Here's three solutions,
and I'll be like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Exactly same. Yeah, I well, because I can just I
normally just put my contacts in, but since I was
having an eye appointment, I couldn't put my contacts in,
so anyhow, Yeah, that was my excitement. I'm excited. She
said it was gonna be like a week and a
half four of the glasses come in. I'm excited to
finally have new glasses. But that was my excitement this week.
And then we went and had lunch on Saturday. Wasn't

(08:05):
as good as the last time we went to that place,
but we were there like literally as soon as they
opened the all because they opened at eleven thirty. When
we got there like eleven forty five.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was going to ask where you went on that.
You just said it wasn't as good as last name.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
So yeah, I'll tell you later.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I wanted to know, did you guys go to the
Railing Canal yet?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh, we haven't gone there yet.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Best friend trace ever.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
But I was trying ever, which is going to tell
everybody where I went if they remember where I went last?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
So I remember you went last name?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, it was good and I tried a new sauce
for it.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I don't know anyways, We're so exciting. I'm like, I
cleaned my basement and you're like, I went to the
eye doctor.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I did try. I just recently found out that for
certain eye conditions and things that you can get tinted
windows on the front, like you can get a pass
to get tented windows on the front of So I
ask the eye doctor about it because I get headaches
stupid easy from the sun, Like, like, if I'm in
the vehicle for any like more than just driving to town,

(09:11):
I'll get a headache from the sun. Like if it's
cloudy out and raining, I still have to wear my
sunglasses and kens Like, why the fuck do you have
those on? I'm like, because I'm gonna get a migraine
if I don't. But and so I asked the doctor
about that because I'm like, this would be amazing, and
he was all like, Nope, unless you have like one
of one of these two extremely severe eye conditions where

(09:33):
you're basically blind, that's the only way you would ever
get that exemption. I'm like, well, fuck, You're.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Like, but do I have one of those? Though?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Say one of those? I mean I get headaches, does
that count? But no, that was one disappointing.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
My argument would be, when I get a migraine, I
lose vision in my eye. So if I get a
migraine from that, I do technically lose vision, so that
it's true.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you get like the flashes and stuff like that? Anyhow,
that was my excitement before we start. I do want
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(10:22):
know what it does.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's the twenty seventh is today that this episode comes out,
So go check it out today, do it right?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Go look out, go look it out? What am I saying? Words?
Why do I have a podcast? Why am I doing this? Uh? Yeah?
So you know, free shipping. Definitely love me some free shipping.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So we've talked about it. Oh man, all right, so
do you want to just get into you said you
have a really long case.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
So yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Let's stop this boring mom talk.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Soup's long case. I'm gonna tell you a whole story,
all right. I am going to tell you about doctor
Michael Swango. You're heard of him?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
No, I don't think so. Swango, Yes, okay, wa n
g O. That's a fun last name. Yeah, he's not
a fun guy. Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
So Michael Swango was born October twenty first, nineteen fifty four,
to Murall and John Virgil Swingo and Tacoma, Washington. I
am guessing that I'm saying her name right. Don't come
at me. It's m U R I E L.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Muriel.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Michael is the middle of three boys, and his mother
believed him to be the most gifted of the three. Okay,
parents are supposed to say that shit out loud. You know.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I taught my favorite kit change is every date. It
depends on what bullshit they're doing.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
So my favorite kid is most of the time Bailey
is that count Okay, okay, And that's only because she
doesn't annoy me constantly and talk to me twenty four
to seven when I'm trying to sleep at four o'clock
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Right fucking kids.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah. Anyhow, So, Michael's dad, John, was an army officer,
so the family moved around all the time like her
military family. Still, in nineteen sixty eight, the family finally
settled in Quincy, Illinois, Homeli buried for Michael and his
brothers quite drastically depending on if their father was home

(12:48):
or not. You know, because again, being in the military,
he was gone a lot. When it was just Michael's mom,
you're all there, she tried to keep a strong but
peaceful hold on the boy. So like, you know, you're
gonna like you don't listen to me, but I'm not
going to be abusive or an asshole whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
But when John, Michael's father was home, it resembled more
of a military facility. John was a strict disciplinary, disciplinarian.
Michael and his brother feared their father, and so did
mural John's battle with alcoholism was the main source of
disruption and tension in the house. So so Murall was
worried that Michael would be under challenged in Quincy's public

(13:35):
school system, so she enrolled him in the Christian Brothers
High School, which was a private Catholic school that was
known for its high academic standards. Michael's brothers still were
sent to a public school.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I was just thinking about like when I was like, oh,
I bye, he's the only one being sent there.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I feel like it's one of those like you know
how you see on tikto like TikTok, like tell me
this without actually telling me this. So this is like
tell me who your favorite kids is without telling me
who your favorite GID is.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I only sent one to a private school. It seems
like you want all of your kids to have the
same opportunities, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
But right, that's what I was thinking, Like, that's like
you sending I don't know, Russell to a private school
while telling Riley and Anthony like you I still do
just find it in public school. Could you imagine? Could you?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Riley's reaction really we pissed.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, So, I don't know. That's just it's very weird
to me to like put one child on such a
high pedestal and then the other ones are like lowly people.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Basically, Yeah, that is strange. But I mean maybe there
are other reasons. I don't know, Maybe the other kids
wanted to go to public school.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Who wants to go to public school? So while attending
his fancy private school, Michael did excel academically and also
was involved in various extracurricular activities. Much like Murroel, her
favorite child, Michael had a love for music. Michael learned
to read music as well as sing, play piano and

(15:12):
a clarinet. He played the clarinet so well that or
well enough that he joined the Quincy Notre Dame band
and toured with the Quincy College Wind Ensemble. Okay, then
I said, I'll take useless skills for eight hundred, Alex
just kidding. I'm slightly faulty that I never learned how

(15:34):
to play any instruments, so, oh my.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
God, I in like fourth grade, was like, I'm going
to play the flute. I want to play the flute.
My friend played the clarinet or something whatever, so I
was like, heck, yeah, I want to do that. No
one taught me how to read cheat music.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Right, No, I never actually learned how to read music. There.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Couldn't figure it out on my own because I was
like ten, right, so I would just like kind of pretend.
And then I was like I don't want to do
this anymore. Because I tried asking my mom how do
I do this? She didn't know, so I don't know.
I guess I probably should have said something to the teacher,
but instead I was like, you can have the flute back.
I'm good. I mean, yeah, to play soccer like an elbow.

(16:15):
People in the ribs like.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, that's much more in your speed. Gradually, where would
you be now if you learned.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
How to play that flute I don't know, in the
wind ensemble. Yeah, Quincy College or whatever the fuck you
just said.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Quincy Yeah, Quincy College. Okay, all right, enough about instruments
and things I don't know how to do. So Michael,
being the star child, graduated as class followed Victorian for
his fancy private high school in nineteen seventy two. I'm
obviously also salty about not attending a private school.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I went to a public school and a semi private school.
I had more at the public school. Obviously, it was
a much better time over there, I know, I and
the only reason we moved, and the town that we
moved to didn't have a high school. So I got

(17:16):
to pick between three schools, and one of them was
what did not include my previous school because we were
like fifteen minutes over the fucking line, but right, of course,
So I picked the fox Craft Academy in Dover because
they had Latin and I was kind of a nerd.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Did a little bit, so we were learning that SUSA
could have been a completely different person had she continue
with the flu in Latin.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I did all four years of Latin, So come at me, bro,
I think I have we let and book over there on.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
The on my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think I did that and file. I also took
four years of Spanish.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Look at you, you fucking smartass over here.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I don't remember any of it, So I mean you
can file the four years of Latin under useless. I
was really good at it too, anyway, just sound things
that I wasted brain cells on back in the day.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Okay, back to what I'm supposed to be talking about.
While Michael's high school achievements were impressive, he was still
seemingly limited on what colleges were available for him to apply.
Apply to words again, I can't use them. Michael settled
on Milkin University Indicatur, Illinois, where he had a full

(18:39):
music scholarship. So he was, okay, rocking clarinet all the
way to college.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Rocking that fucking clarinet.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
No, that know what you do with it?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I don't know. I don't know what you do with it. Honestly,
play it. I think you spitting it a lot.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, that's gotta be taken out. That's gross, Okay, Michael means.
Michael maintained awesome grades the first two years at Milkin,
but after his girlfriend ended their relationship, Michael became a
bit of an alcat outcast and became reclusive. This is
obviously all the girlfriends felt for breaking up with him. Clearly,

(19:24):
that's a joke. In case you're two tents to get it, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Christ, Sarah, Oh, there's.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
People are oblivious to jokes sometimes.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
But nobody has been an asshole to us.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
So I told you I sold you while writing easily alone.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Okay, Jesus Christ, don't get mad at me.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, where are I? After two years at Milkin, Michael
stopped playing music, quit college and joined the military, or sorry,
the Marines, which is a branch of the military. I
have military in the next line and right under Marines,
so like I just skipped the mix line.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Fair.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Michael then became a trained sharpshooter, but decided he didn't
want a full career in the military. Okay, so he
decided to return to college to become a doctor. In
nineteen seventy six, Michael received an honorable discharge from the Marines,
Michael then went to Quincy College to earn degrees in

(20:28):
chemistry and biology, but for some reason, when he submitted
his permanent records, Michael lied and stated that he had
earned a bronze star in a purple heart while in
the Marines. Okay, which is a weird thing to let about, right,
And like, why would you because that's very I'm.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Pretty sure that there's scholarships or something.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Oh, I don't know, maybe, but I didn't see any
mention of any more scholarships or anything like that. I
don't know. During his senior year at Quincy, Michael decided
to do his chemistry Why can't I say chemistry?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
What is his.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Chemistry thesis on a poisoning death of a Bulgarian writer
named Giorgio Markov. So it seemed that Michael had developed
an obsession with poisons that could be used as silent killers.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Okay, this is a staircase.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah. He graduated from Quincy in nineteen seventy nine. He
had an award in Academic Excellence from the American Chemical
Society as well. Michael then set out to be accepted
into medical school. So at the time in the early eighties,
it seemed to be a pretty competitive market trained to

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get into medical schools. There was a large amount of
applicants with only a small amount of schools throughout the
country to apply to. Okay, Michael still managed to get
into Southern Illinois University. During Michael's first two years at SIU,
Michael earned the reputation of being serious about his studies,

(22:12):
but he also was suspected of taking unethical shortcuts when
preparing for tests and group projects. Okay, Michael had even
less interaction with his classmates after he started working as
an ambulance driver, so like he was kind of interacting
with classmates, but then also took it on a job
while attending medical school, so okay, became me more busy

(22:37):
For a first year med student. This caused a lot
of stress because as I would imagine the academics were hard, I.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Would not imagine, yeah, that would be a little stressful.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yes, But in his third year, Michael began to have
more one on one time with patients. So, you know,
first year versus third year, how much time on you know,
how much time you actually get to spend with an
actual patient.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right, first years, they're like, you should read this book
and not go near another human being. Correct.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Third year, they're like, yeah, go go ahead, and you
can evaluate.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
The patients and the interaction.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
During this time, at least five patients died.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
His classmates began to call him double O Swingo, which
was a reference to James Bond and the license to
kill slogan.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Shouldn't there would be more worry and less jokes.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
One would think this case would have gone a drastically
different direction had somebody made less jokes and worried more,
but not the one who did. Yeah, sadly, not enough
concern at this point. Okay, so Michael also started being

(24:02):
seen as strange, incompetent, and lazy. So not only were
patients daying, but he was also not doing it right.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, he's a little a little stressed out from killing
all those people.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, I didn't say you killed him.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh, I'm sorry. I just took that mental leap there.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Okay, So Michael was an odd duck from an early age.
From the early age of three, he started to show
unusual interest in violent death death's words. Even as he
got older, he came fixated on things like the Holocaust,
in particular the articles that showed pictures of the death camps.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
His interest in death became so much that he even
kept a scrap book of articles and pictures of things
that things like fatal accidents and disturbing crimes. Okay, it
gets it gets creepy.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I mean I'm like, okay, I can't judge that very much.
My Google drive is literally all research on murder in
like a couple of school volunteer fliers that I mean.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Right, but we're not like fantasizing about no, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It was just the scrap book of the news clippings
and like, yeah, my computer is essentially.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I mean, yeah, but you're right in a sense we
might be slightly similar, but also we're not even close, right, Okay,
but get this being the chosen child. Instead of telling
him to knock it off, you know, the creepy shed
he's doing mural. His mom helps contribute to his scrap books. Okay,

(26:01):
she's also clipping out news articles for him, like, oh,
that's a tragic, fucking horrible death. I'm gonna go ahead
and clip this out for my son, Okay, right, Like
that's it seems, it's it's growth.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
It's gross.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I don't know, support your children, but not to that extent,
I guess that's what I'm saying, Like, that's a weird
that's a weird way to go with that.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I wonder if he was framing it like I need
to learn about these weird deaths so that I can
learn how to.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Okay, save them or something, you know what I mean,
like that way. Okay maybe, yeah, okay, maybe.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
But defend them? What am I doing? Terrible.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
By the time Michael was at SIU, he had several
scrap books because again, so it's normal, nothing to be concerned.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
About, right, does not need therapy at all, not.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Even a little bit. So when he took that ambulance
driving job, his scrap books grew even more, and he
was now seeing firsthand what he had been reading about
for so many years. So, you know, because ambulances go
to we know those things. Thanks welcome. So he became

(27:35):
so fixated that he would rarely turn down a chance
to work, even if it meant sacrificing his time to
study for school and stuff, so like, because he just
wanted to always be there just in case it was
like a terrible crime scene or something like that. Okay, yeah,
my entire body is making the face that you're making.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
It's just very weird and create.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Sometimes I really wish that we did like a video
thing with this, yeah, because I want people to know
that my face was grossed out and confused all at once.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
It was.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
It was a great mixture of emotions that.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
It's very wild things going on. So at this point,
his classmates felt he had more dedication to being an
ambulance driver than he had to like getting his medical degree. Okay,
Michael's classwork became sloppy and he'd often leave projects unfinished
because it's beeper would go off for an emergency for

(28:38):
the you know, to respond for the ambulance company.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
In Michael's final year at SIU, he sent an application
or he sent out applications for internships and residency programs
in neurosurgery to Like many teaching collegests, Michael even had
help from his tea and mentor, doctor Wacaster, who was
a neurosurgeon himself. Michael was able to provide the colleges

(29:08):
with letters of recommendation, and doctor Wacaster even wrote handwritten
personal notes of confidence on each letter. Like so, he
applied to multiple different internships and residencies and this dude
like really liked him and gave him personalized recommendations. Okay,

(29:28):
with that, Michael was accepted into neurosurgery at the University
of Iowa Hospital and Clinics in Iowa Study. But once
Michael got his residency, he showed very little interest. In
the last eight weeks at SiO, he stopped showing up
to required quotations to watch like specific surgeries be performed,

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and this shocked doctor Kathleen O'Connor, who was in charge
of overseeing Michael's performance. Doctor O'Connor attempted to contact Michael
at the ambulance company he worked for to talk to
him about the issues, but she couldn't get in contact
with them. But she did find out that the company
no longer let Michael have direct contact with patients, but

(30:15):
never I don't know why, just that he wasn't allowed
contact with patients anymore, but they didn't tell her why. Okay,
When doctor O'Connor did finally get.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
In like, you know why, it's because he is kind
of a weirdo, Like do you get those vibes too? Right?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
When doctor O'Connor did find or did finally get in
contact with Michael. She gave him the assignment to perform
a complete history and examination on a woman who is
going to have a sea section. She then watched as
Michael entered the patient's room and left after just ten minutes,
which is not nearly enough time to do a thorough

(30:58):
report on the patient. So she like saw for herself
that he just was not doing what are you supposed
to do? Okay, So O'Connor made the decision to fail Michael,
which meant he wouldn't graduate and his internship would be canceled.
The news spread quickly about Michael not graduating, and with

(31:18):
that two sides were formed, one in support of SIU's
decision and the other one was against their decision. So,
like there was a group of people who were like, yeah,
you shouldn't fucking graduate, and then there was a group
of people like shocked, thinking why can't he graduate?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Well, you can't just pass everybody, especially to be a
fucking doctor.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Correct, It's not like he was taking a fifth grade
mass test. He is literally handling people's lives, right.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Fifth grade math tests are heard now just say you
know all right.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
So some of Michael's classmates used this opportunity to speak
up and penned a letter about Michael's incompetence and poor character.
They recommend They recommended that he be expelled, Okay, but
Michael got a lawyer, and SIU, in fear of being
sued in the cost of litigations, decided that they would

(32:14):
instead postpone Michael's graduation by year and give him one
more chance, because again, why not fail somebody who is incompetent,
not like they're trying to be.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
A doctor or anything, right, Right, I feel like you
should be held to a pretty high standard for.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
That, right I completely agreed. Obviously, this next year that
he had there were like strict roles in place that
he had to do and follow.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
So with the second chance, Michael straightened the fuck up
and focused on completing the requirements to graduate. He again
had to reapply to residency programs as he had lost
the one and I since he didn't graduate the year
he was supposed to. Okay, and despite having an extremely

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poor evaluation from the Dean of ISU, Michael was accepted
into a surgical internship, followed by a prestigious residency and
neurosurgery surgery Good God, Ohio State University Okay, prestigeous residency
and neurosurgery.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Theah, that's a mouthful.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Hopefully I never have to say it again. So so
those who knew Michael were burt, knew of his past,
were pretty shocked that he landed this residency. Okay, but
Michael had somehow passed his personal interviews and was the
only student out of sixty accepted. So like, all right, dude,

(33:58):
must be good with his words.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So around the time Michael graduated, he was fired from
the ambulance company that he was working at. And he
had told oh, because he had told a man having
a heart attack to walk to his car and have
his wife drive him to the hospital. You know, no
big deal, only what you're there for, to drive him

(34:24):
to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Like what why would you?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Okay, right, like could you imagine? Like why even respond?
Why just not respond or not not whatever?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Maybe he thought that the guy wasn't having a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Either way this night. You're just the fucking ambulance driver
at this point, Like.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Drive to the hospital. That's right, made to do that, right?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah? Anyways, he lost his job because of that. In
nineteen eighty three, Michael began his internship at Ohio State. There,
he was assigned to the Rhodes Hall wing of the
medical Center. Not long after he began, there was a

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series of unexplained deaths among several healthy patients in that wing.
One of the patients survived after having severe seizures, and
they told a nurse that Michael had injected medication into
her just minutes before she became severely ill.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Other nurses also reported to a head nurse about their
concerns seeing Michael and patients rooms at like weird times.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Not the normal check in times or right whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
There were many occasions when patients were found dead or
close to death just moments after Michael had left their room. Okay,
the administration was alerted and they started an investigation, but
it seemed they were more concerned with covering their own
ass than finding out if Michael had really done anything
to the patients. So, like one article said that they

(36:10):
seen that they spent more time trying to dispute the
reports versus like actually listened to them and look into it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I think that's kind of what happened, because I did
an Angel of death. Yeah case, at the very beginning
of this, no.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I thought about it when I started this time.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, trying to remember what she used, but I don't
remember long ago it was.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
It seems like forever ago, eight hundred cases ago. AnyWho.
They exonerated Michael of any wrongdoing.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Michael returned to work, but was moved to another wing.
Within days, several patients on the Stone wing became mysterious
or began mysteriously dying. Weird mysteries all around. No one
could figure out what was going on right. There was
also an incident when several residents became extremely ill after Michael.

(37:14):
Michael offered to get fried chicken for everyone. Michael did
also eat the chicken, but he didn't get sick so
like they were. They had nausea, headaches, vomiting, okay from.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
He just didn't. But he just had the one piece
of chicken that wasn't bad.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I guess, so he got lucky.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Wouldn't So wouldn't if someone at the hospital like mysteriously
dies or like the person who was had seizures and
almost died but survived, Like, wouldn't they just do bloodwork
during an autopsy or for that patience that survived.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
If you think I thought that if people if a
patient died in the hospital that they had to do
an autopsy.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
But I don't know, well, especially if it's like suspicious
or doesn't line up with what they have I would
think that you would or for like, if I was
in the hospital and someone came in and gave me
medicine and then I had seizures and almost died, I'd
be like, can you check into like what the fuck
that was? Right?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
So I never accidentally have it again? Right, maybe I'm allergic?
Like even if you were just thinking on the line
of the process of maybe I'm allergic to this, I
need to know what it is to never so I
make sure I never take it again, like.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Right, like, let's do some blood work or whatever and
figure out what's in my system.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, you would think that that would be the thought
process and what they would do, but they did not.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well, I mean from the patient's standpoint, maybe Michael was like,
oh no, it had nothing to do with that medication.
And I know it's hard for people to like stick
up for themselves in hospitals and doctor's offices, and then
for everybody working around him. I guess kind of mind
your own business type of thing, I know, but.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Working in a hospital, Like, that's not where you're suposed
to be minding your own fustif that's one of the
places you're supposed to be paying at, right, Yeah, yeah,
I know. Well and especially after like he bought other
residence food and they also like they none of them died,
but they became sick.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
He didn't.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
That's not a huge fucking red.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Flag, hello, right, Like the one person that doesn't get
sick from.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
That, then the one person who bought the food, Like,
come on, right.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, I mean it would be even more suspicious if
he didn't eat any of it, too, true.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah. In March of nineteen eighty four, the Ohio State
Residency Review Committee decided that Michael didn't have the necessary
qualities needed to become a neurosurgeon. He was able to
complete his first year internship, but was not invited back
to complete his second year of residency. So they did

(39:54):
stab him from being at their hospital.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Right, just go be somebody else else. Problem. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Michael stayed on at Ohio State until July of nineteen
eighty four, and then he moved back to Quincy. Before
moving back home, Michael applied to get his license to
practice medicine from the Ohio State Medicine Board and he
was approved in September of nineteen eighty four. So a

(40:23):
doctor now cool.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Terrifying.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So now, Doctor Swango did not tell his family of
the troubles he was in at Ohio State or that
he wasn't accepted into a second year of residency. Instead,
he just told them that he didn't like the other
doctors in Ohio. Back to July of nineteen eighty four,
when Swingo moved back to Quincy, he started working at

(40:48):
Adams County Ambulance as an emergency medical technician. A background
check wasn't run on Swango because he had worked at
the ambulance service and he went to Quincy's State or
Quincy College, so he had worked at this place before
going off for a residency, so they didn't do a

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background check on him when he came back.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Okay, would a background check really throw up any red flags?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
So I'm really not sure at this point, Like there
are things in his past, but I don't know if
they put anything on his actual record at this point,
you know what I mean? Yeah, So I don't know
if it would actually show anything. Anyways, the fact that
he had been previously fired from another aim. Then service
never came out, so maybe that would have been on

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his work record or whatever something. I don't know how
that works. What did come out was Swingo's weird behavior
and opinions. His weird scrap books on violence and gore
even came out more. Swingo began making inappropriate comments about
death and people dying. He would even become visibly simply

(42:00):
excited over CNN news stories about mass killings and horrible car.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Accidents okay, and making the grossed out confused face again, yes.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
We all are at this point. Even to the paramedics
that he was working with who had seen it all
thought like Swingo was super creepy and weird because he
kind of almost idolized the gore of crimes and stuff
like that. In September, Swingo brought in donuts for his coworkers.

(42:35):
Every single one who ate one of the donuts became
extremely ill and many ended up going to the hospital.
So again like nausea, vomiting, etc.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I was gonna sing the pepto bismuth song.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
After this incident, people began suspecting something was going on.
Another coworker who was working a football game with Swingo
began for violently vomiting after he drank a soda that
Swingle had brought him back from the concession stand. So
I never put two and two together until when I
was researching this case. But I guess Illinois requires an

(43:13):
ambulance to be on standby at football games.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
They do that here for hockey games.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Like that was just I never questioned why there was
an ambulance at football games. I was just always there.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
So it's just like, yeah, I think like the Yutuka
comets have a couple outside right outside. Oh, if you
think about it, like players might need it, specters.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
You know, right, Yeah, makes sense, No, it does make sense.
I just found it fascinating because I never actually put
it together why there was always an ambulance sitting in
the parking lot at the football games. Another internet was
when two coworkers had made some iced tea and poured
themselves a glass before being called out onto or you know,
for an emergency. When they got back, one took a

(43:56):
drink from his glass, which was labeled like they had
their own glass or you know, cups with labels on them.
I noticed that it was sweet. The coworker was diabetic
and never sweetened his tea. Okay, this time, they saved
the tea and called in the health department to test
many of the food and drink items around, like the

(44:18):
ambulance station.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Finally, yeah, some of them in it.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Hold on. Some of the coworkers even got like their
hair and nails tested and they tested positive for poisoning.
So the police launched an investigation into the matter, and
a search warrant was obtained to search Swengo's home. Okay,
inside they found hundreds of drugs and poisons. In the

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show that I watched, License to Kill on Oxygen, one
of the detectives said that it looked like a whole
like chemistry lab because of the amount of like drugs
and poisons and stuff that he had there. Spingo had
several bottles of ant poison, both full and empty containers,
and he had books on poisons and syringes, and I

(45:10):
think in the License to Kill episode that the detective
also said like he had like quote recipes written out
on like little index cards and things like that as well.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Okay, so yeah, that's Swing.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Was finally arrested. No, not at all, not even a
little bit like what so Swingo was finally arrested and
charged with battery. Swingo insisted he had the ant and
other poisons because of an ant infestation that he had,
and he had even called an exterminator at one point

(45:47):
for the ant problem, but when questioned, the exterminator said
that the ants he found ino Swingo's apartment were not
indigenous to Illinois, but to Florida, So was.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
He bringing ants in to poison them like experiment on ants?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
When Swingo was out on bail before the trial, he
had gone to Florida to visit his mother and believed
in detective detectives believed that he brought back ants with
him from Florida to like cover his trail.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh, that's weird, I'm over here, Like was he experimenting
on ants? It's so bizarre. No, it makes more sense
for he needed ants.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
First story, Why would you have so many bottles of
bottles of ant killer if you have now ants. August
twenty third, nineteen eighty five, Swingo was convicted of aggravated
battery and sentenced to five years. He also lost his
medical license from Ohio and Illinois, Okay. While in prison,

(46:50):
Swingo did an interview with John Stossel for twenty twenty
dressed in a suit and tie. Swingo swore he was
innocent and then said that the evidence that was used
to convict him was lacking integrity.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Was it though?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Right? Like people were poisoned with and like the stuff
that's in ant killer was found in their system?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
What is the stuff? What's the poison?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And I think one, I think one place said arsenic
it was taro ant poisoning. Like have you heard of
that brand?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I don't so, yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's what
they said on the Licensed to Kill episode. All Right,
So as part of the investigation of Swingo, they looked
into his past. This is when the incidents of patients
dying mysteriously under his care resurfaced at Ohio State. The

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hospital was first reluctant to allow access to the records,
but once the global news agencies heard of the case,
the university president Edwards Jennings, I don't know, I put
an ass Onwards. I think it was Edward Jennings assigned
the dean of Ohio State University Law School to the case.

(48:07):
So first they were like, I don't know that, we
want to like help you out here, and then news
caught wind of it, so they're like, just kidding, I'm
gonna put this really high lawyer that helpful now, Yeah.
So James Meeks, who was the dean of the Ohio

(48:27):
State University Law School, was to conduct a full, unbiased
investigation into the circumstances around Swingo's incidents and if it
was handled appropriately. So basically he had to like look
into it and decide whether he thought the hospital reacted
appropriately to what happened.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
This also meant some of the most prestigious people at
the university would be under investigation because good it worked
under them rights. Meeks concluded that the hospital should have
reported their suspicions to police to decide if a criminal act,
if any normal activity had happened. So basically he was like, hey,

(49:12):
it's not your job to decide whether it was criminal
or not. You should have afforded this to the police.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Right. That feels like a no brainer, right correct?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Agree. Meeks also said that the first investigation by the
hospital was strictly superficial, so they're like, oh, we but
we looked into it when it happened, but really it
was just like a surface level We're going to make
it look like we looked into a type thing, and
we're going to move him over here, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
He also noted that he found it shocking that the
hospital administration hadn't kept a permanent record of detailing what happened,
so like they didn't even keep a record on what
actually happened. The Franklin prosecutor and Ohio tossed around the
idea of charging Swingo with attempted murder and murder, but

(50:06):
he didn't have enough evidence to do so, so he didn't.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Okay, probably because no one initially got any of their
stuff tested, right, and.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Now the hospital, Yeah, the ones that have died are
now gone and buried and it's been multiple years later,
so right, Yeah, that sucks. Swingo only ended up serving
two of the five years he was sentenced to for
the assault on his coworkers, and he was charged with
I'm pretty sure seven counts of battery because that's how

(50:39):
many co workers he had poisoned or that had gotten sick,
and he still only got five years.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I wonder why they couldn't do at tempted murder on
for his coworkers. He's poisoning them like with since he
with ill intentions, but like obviously, if you're poisoning somebody.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Right, there's a reason you're doing that. None of the
articles I looked at said anything about that. But in
the Licensed to Kill episode, one of the coworkers was
on it and he was taught like and he's talked
about how he was upset that they couldn't that they
didn't charge him with attempted murder versus battery. But I
think they felt that they could get the battery to stick,

(51:19):
and they weren't sure if they were gonna they could
keep or you don't get the attempted murder to stick.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
So August twenty first, nineteen eighty seven, he was released
from prison. So he had a girlfriend named Rita Dumas
at this time, and she showed full support for Swingo
both during his trial and his prison time. T Lisa's
making the same face of roads down.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
The face is gonna be stuck like this for the
rest of the day.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah. It is one of those cases where you're just like, ugh, Rita,
get it together. Yeah. So when Swingo got out, they
so when he got out of prison, sorry, they moved
to Hampton, Virginia. Swingo then applied for a medical license there,
but was denied because of his criminal record. He then

(52:07):
found a state job as a career counselor because you know,
why not Okay, at least he can't like give medicine
at that job.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I don't know, I don't know if they have a
lunch room again, donuts again again.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Not long after starting at his new job, strange things
began happening, just like, just like before, Three of Swingo's
coworkers became ill with nausea and headaches.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Swingo was also caught gluing horrific articles into his scrap
book when he was supposed to be working. So it's
just imagine your new coworker, like he shows up, you
start getting sick, and now he's fucking created, like creating
a creepy ass scrap book right now in front of you.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So bizarre.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Very It was also found that Swingo had turned a
basement office in the building into a bedroom where he
would often stay at night. So just another way of
what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Swingo was asked to leave in May of nineteen eighty nine.
Swingo then began working as a lab tech for Attical
Services in Newport News, Virginia, and in July of nineteen
eighty nine, he and Rita married, okay, but almost immediately
the marriage began to fall apart. Swingo began ignoring Rita

(53:39):
and even stopped sharing a bed with her. And Swingo
also didn't contribute financially and would take money from Rita's
account without asking. So he's like, you're paying all the bills,
but also while I'm keeping my money, I'm also going
to take some of your money even though you're the
one paying all of the bills.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
That's not how it works.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Rita suspected Swango of cheating and ended up leaving him
in January of nineteen ninety one. While still employed at
atical other employees and the president of the company began
suffering from sudden bouts of stomach cramps, nausea, dizziness, and
muscle weakness. Some of them were hospitalized because of that. Okay,

(54:21):
Swingo was once again untouched by the illnesses and was
more worried about getting his medical license back, so like again,
everybody around him is sick. Swingo then decided to quit
Aticle and apply to new residency programs, but also while

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working at Aticle, Swingo took medical courses at Newport News
Riverside Hospital, and there he met Kristin Kenney. Swingo was
immediately attracted to her and pursued her like hard. Even
though Kristin was engaged at the time, She also found
Swango attractive and likable, so she called off her engagement

(55:03):
to be with him. Even though her friends tried to
warn her of his past, Kristen still didn't seem to care,
so she had people like, hey, bro, this is his past.
You sure you want to be with him? And she's
all like, oh, he's a changed man. I don't know.
I'm sure it was all just a misunderstanding, right. So,
knowing that his name was tarnished, Swingo applied to for

(55:25):
a legal name change, and on January eighteenth of nineteen
ninety and one said, in January of eighteen something, I
don't know, numbers, numbers, words created them. His new name
was David Jackson Adams at. He said, Adams is easier
to say than swing good.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
But I don't like the middle name being longer than
the first and last name.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Yeah, it's it's weird.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
You can pick any name and any combination of names.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Now, I'm like thinking about Connor's name because I think
Matthew has more letters than Connor. So anyhow, now that
Ermann knows my kid's full name and social Security number is,
I don't know what. Sorry, guys, can't fail that one.
I don't think I'll get the card from the upstairs,
right all right. In May of nineteen ninety one, Swango

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applied for a residency program at Ohio Valley Medical Center
in Wheeling, West Virginia. Doctor Jefferson Schultz, who was the
chief of medicine at the hospital, had multiple communications with Swingo,
mostly focusing on the events surrounding his suspension of his
medical license. Okay, Swingo lied, saying that he had been

(56:43):
convicted of an altercation at a bar, rather than the
truth of him poisoning multiple co workers. Doctor Schultz thought
that Swaningo's punishment was too severe for what he claimed
he had done, and continued to verify his account. Swano
then forged several di documents to support his claims. He
even forged a letter from the Governor of Virginia saying

(57:05):
that his application for restoration of civil rights was approved. Nonetheless,
Swingo's attempt attempts was pointless. Doctor Schultz had been in
contact with the Quincy Police and then rejected Swingo's application.
So basically, Quincy police are like no. He put into

(57:28):
multiple people thanks have a good day, but that didn't
stop Swango. He then applied for a residency at the
University of South Dakota. Their doctor, Anthony Salem, was impressed
with Swingo's credentials. This time, instead of saying the battery

(57:50):
charges were from a fight, he told doctor Salem that
it was that it was poisoning charges, but only because
his co workers were jealous that he was a doctor
in the they framed him, you know, okay. Doctor Salem
invited Swingo to come for a few personal interviews and
Swingo managed to light his way through them. March eighteenth,

(58:12):
nineteen ninety two, Swingo was accepted into the Internal Medicine
residency program at South Dakota in South Dakota. Kristin agreed
to move with Swingo to South Dakota and Kristin got
a job in the intensive care unit at the Royal C.
Johnson Veterans Memorial Hospital and Swingo started a residency there

(58:35):
as well. Nobody had a clue that they were a couple,
like they were both were in the same hospital, but
nobody knew that they were together.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Swingo was well liked by his peers in the nurses,
and he seemed his work seemed exemplary at this time,
So like when he first started there, peers nurses all
liked him and they thought his work was good.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
He no longer spoke of violent accident or shared his
odd behaviors. Things seemed to be going great for Swingo
and he was finally practicing medicine again like he wanted.
But in October, Swingo decided to join the American Medicine Association.
The AMA did a very thorough background check and found

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the conviction Swingo had attempted to hide so many times.
The AMA turned the information over to the Council on
Ethics and Judicial Affairs. Whatever the fuck that is, I
don't know. I'm going to assume somebody out there in
the medical field knows what it is. I just don't.
And someone from the AMA contacted the dean at the

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University of South Dakota with the information, including the suspicion
around so many of Swingo's patients dying, and on that
same evening that the dean had been contacted, the Justice
Files television program aired the twenty twenty interview with Swingo
had given while he was in prison. Okay, so like, hey, dummy,

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you're biting yourself. And he asked, right now, why would
you do that interview? Not to tell you how to
do do crime? That? Like Kevin, So everything was crashing
down around Swingo once again. Kristin was shocked. She truly
had been blindsided by Swingo's pass like she truly believed

(01:00:29):
that he was a good person and everybody else was
just talking mad shit about him. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
So in the months following, Kristen started having severe headaches.
She no longer smiled, She seemed withdrawn from coworkers and
doing things, and at one point it was even hostilis
in a psychiatric hospital when she was found wandering the
streets naked and confused. And April of nineteen ninety three,

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she finally left Swingo and went back to Virginia. Oddly enough,
her headaches went away as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Very coincidental.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Obviously, it's pure coincidence, that's it. But just a few
weeks later, Swingo showed up at her doorstep in Virginia
and they were back together. Swingo once again began applying
to medical schools. Somehow Swango managed to lie his way
into a psychiatric residency at the State University of New

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York at Stonybrooks School of Medicine. Lots of words. This time,
Swingo went to New York and left Kristin behind in Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
In New York, Swingo began his first rotation in the
internal medicine department at the VA Medical Center in Northport,
New York, and surprise again, his patients began mysteriously dying.
I don't know if we're surprised at this, I'm not.
I'm not surprised, very expected at this point. Sadly, although

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Swango and Kristin had been apart for four months, they
continued talking, so you know, long distance relationship stuff. During
their last call, Kristin found out that Swingo had emptied
her checking account, and sadly, the next day, on July fifteenth,
nineteen ninety three, Kristin completed suicide by shooting herself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
In the chest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, he fucked up this poor lady
so much, like by drugging her with whatever enough to
like where she was having headaches and was found naked
in the street, and then you know, and then she
and then he took everything that she had. But the
wrath of a mother's love was soon to catch up

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with Swingo. Kristen's mother, Sharon Cooper, hated Swingo and blamed
him for her daughter's death, and I feel for good reason.
And she found it inconceivable that Swingo was again working
at a hospital and that she knew that he only

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got there by lying. Okay, So Sharon contacted an old
friend of Kristen's who was still a nurse in South
Dakota and sent her a letter including Swingo's full address
and like information about where he's working and stuff like that.
The nurse then forwarded the information to the appropriate people,

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who then contacted the dean of the medical school at
Stony Broke, Jordan Cohen, immediately fired Swingo, and Cohen took
it a step further by sending a letter to every
medical school in over one thousand teaching hospitals in the
country warning of Swingo and has passed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Wow, so he's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Like, dudes, got a lot of sketchy shit. I don't
know how he keep sending up in these positions. Fucking
don't hire him right, So Swingo went into hiding after
being fired from the VA hospital. After all, the FBI
was after him for falsifying his credentials in order to

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get a job at the VA facility, because it's a
felony to lie on a federal form, that's true, So
they used that as their way to get him. Right, So,
Swingo didn't resurface until July of nineteen ninety four, when

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he was working as Jack Kirk for a company in
Atlanta called Photo Circuits. So it was a waste water
treatment facility, and Swingo had direct access to Atlanta's water supply.
So that's terrifying, right exactly. So, worried about Swingo's obsession

(01:05:03):
over mass killings, the FBI contacted Photo Circuits and Swingo
was immediately fired for again lying on a job application.
Swingo disappeared again, even though there was a warrant out
for his arrest, which kind of annoyed, you know, hindsights

(01:05:24):
twenty twenty. I realized that, but why wouldn't the FBI
be like, hey, let him come in for this shift
so we can nab him and then you can fire him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Right, I was. I was kind of wondering that too
if the FBI knew where he was, why his alias was,
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
But I can't tell him how to do the job.
I probably couldn't do it either, But I'm just saying,
if we're looking back, that probably would have been the
better way to go, right. So this time Swingo sent
applications with again altered information to an agency called Options,
and they helped American doctors find work in foreign countries.

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In November of nineteen ninety four, the Lutheran Church hired
Swango after receiving his falsified apvocation from Options. He was
then sent to a remote area in Zimbabwe, Africa. Okay,
doctor Christopher SISHAIRI, I'm sorry, z s I r I well,

(01:06:24):
I feel bad for saying his name wrong, but right,
I'm gonna call him doctor Christopher because I don't want
to keep Blake butchering his name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
His name now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
So doctor Christopher, who was the director of the hospital,
was thrilled to have an American doctor join them because
if it wasn't this douchebag Lee probably would have done
good things. Right. But once again Swingo started working and
it was apparent that he was undertrained to perform even

(01:06:54):
basic procedures, so they decided to send Swango to one
of their sister hospitals to be trained for five months
before returning to Minden Hospital. For those first five months,
Swango received raving reviews and almost everyone admired his dedication
and hard work. But when he returned to Menen post training,

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his attitude was different. He no longer seemed to or
seemed interested in the patients or the hospital. Whispers again
started of him being lazy and rude, and once again,
patients began dying. Some patients that survived clearly remember Swingo
coming into their rooms and giving them something before they
started convulsing. So again our same thing, right, So a

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number of nurses also said they saw Swango near patients
before they died. Doctor Christopher, because I can't say his
last name, I'm sorry, immediately contacted police.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
A search of his cottage turned up one hundreds of
various drugs and poisons, and October thirteenth, nineteen ninety five,
he was handed a termination letter and was given a
week to get off hospital property. So for a year
and a half Swingo stayed in Zimbabwe while his lawyer
worked to have his position at the Minim Hospital restored

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in his license to practice medicine in Zabwe and sorry
in Zimbabwe reinstated, so again going to a lawyer trying
to get trying to bully the hospital into what they
wanted right. He eventually fled Zimbabwe to Zambia when evidence
of his guilt began to surface, and on June twenty seventh,

(01:08:45):
nineteen ninety seven, Swango landed at the Chicago hair Airport
while en route to the Royal Hospital in Duran in
Saudi Arabia. Swingo was immediately arrested by immigration and so
to New York to wait trial for the felony charge.
So finally he was like just trying to get to

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another country and had happened to have a layover in Chicago,
and they're like, hey, I know there's a warm out
for this dude. Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
So a year later, Swingo pled guilty to defrauding the
government and was sentenced to three years and six months
in prison. In prison on the felony charges, police were
doing everything they could to find more substantial evidence to
stick to Swango because of the laundry listed things he's

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done in his past right, and they knew if he
got out that he would kill again. In July of
two thousand, just days before he was to be released,
federal agents charged Swango with one count of assault, three
counts of murder, and three counts of making false statements

(01:10:01):
one count and one count of defrauding by by use
of wires and mail fraud. Okay, so they finally had
enough evidence to charge him, and all while the United
States was, you know, the FBI was trying to get
charges to sick, the authorities in Zimbabwe were fighting to

(01:10:23):
have Smango extradited to Africa to face five counts of
murder there. So like, okay, he fucked up. They immediately
saw it over in Africa and they're like no, dude,
you're being charge with this, Like you're not getting away
what should have happened long ago while he was in
the States. So Swego at first pled not guilty, but

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was afraid of the death penalty, and then he was
afraid that he would be sent back to Africa, so
he changed his plea to guilty of murder and fraud.
Doctor Michael Swango was sentenced to three consecutive life sentences.
So while he was in prison on the felony charge,
police had exhumed three of his patients that had died

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under Swingo's watch at the VA Hospital in New York,
and they all showed signs of poisoning. The Licensed to
Kill episode, the daughter of one of those patients was
on the episode, and it was freaking heartbreaking, Like her
dad went into the hospital because I think they said

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he fell off a ladder or something like that, and
they like were optimistic, like, yeah, he's you know, older,
He's going to be hospitalized for a few days because
he fell off a ladder, but he's going to come
home be fine. But as soon as Swingo started taking
care of, you know, being his doctor, he started to
get sick. The daughter said that there a man would
come by at night and point at him, saying you're next,

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and the father kept saying like I'm going to die
in this hospital. Somebody's going to murder me here, and
they thought he was hallucinating.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah. So it was heartbreaking because they showed her at
the end of the episode and like she's like, now
we have to live with that. If maybe we would
have like listened to what he was saying, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
How scary for him as the patient telling his family
like that he saw it right, and that he feels
like he's going to die there, and they're just like
he must be hallucinating from whatever medication or right, So,
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
So this is the true example of human garbage. Yeah,
and being held at a super max prison in Florence, Colorado.
That's the case of doctor Michael Swango.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
It's crazy. Yeah, And just how many times hospitals I
don't I don't know if I would say look the
other way or cover up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
You know, they wanted to be their problem, so they
just are like, sho, go on somewhere else, like I
won't report you, but I don't hear, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
So it really makes you wonder how often that happens,
if right, you know what I mean, Like if it's
not a huge big deal to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Like, I it's it's scary because people place so much
stock and doctors and how like, oh this is wrong
with me. If I just need to know the doctor
and I'll be better.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
But like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
It's obviously not. I think the opposite, because nobody anyone
wants to help me. But but like you know, you
like and especially if you're in that like you're a
patient in a hospital. It's not like you're just going
to a doctor's visit, like you are stuck there in
that hospital thinking you're gonna get better, but instead you're
just they're just made like somebody's just making you worse.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Right, So sad and scary.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
So I used an article from ThoughtCo dot com by
Charles Montoldo there's a murderopedia on him, and had an
article by the Maverick Files. I don't know if I
really used anything off of it, but I had it
pulled up, so I put it down just in case.
Obviously a Wikipedia. And then, as I said, Licensed to

(01:14:11):
Kill season one, episode eight on Oxygen had an episode
on him, so heavy case.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, that was a lot, and like really all could
have been avoided in the very beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Like it literally in the beginning, before he was even
a licensed doctor. It could have been right done, but
people looked the other way or just didn't want it
to be their problem. So so scary.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
All right, this is gonna be the longest episode ever. Okay,
so I'm going to tell you about a case of
road rage. So we're gonna talk about Adam Emory. Okay,
there's not a ton of background information on any of
the people in this case, just so I know, how

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dare you? I was like, oh, but I'm going to
do it anyway. So here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
So Adam went from like I always had background, and
then a couple of my cases recently didn't. So my
this case just that I did, just.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Had like, let's do our long case perfect, okay. So
Adam Emory was raised in a middle class family in Cranston,
Rhode Island. He graduated from Rhode Island College and he
took a job with a local plastics manufacturing company. So
friends and family described him as just having high integrity,

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being really efficient, super organized, just that he was just
described as a good person. He was the customer service
manager for his company, and he just had really good
people skills, like dealing comly with people who were really
pissed off. I don't know if you've ever been in
customer service, but that's like the fucking worst.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I worked at McDonald's for like two weeks once.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
All right, So Adam met a woman named Elena. I
think that's how you would say that, E L E.
Na Elena.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
At Berry's, which was a disco not far from Rocky Point.
That was frequented by single people from Providence and other
surrounding suburbs. Leesco Les go By.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Elena had emigrated from Italy as a young girl. Her
parents struggled to make a life for themselves in the
small central Italian village and had come to America to
pursue the classic vision like the good American life. Her
mother worked long hours at a soap factory and her
father worked really hard as a construction worker. Eventually the

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family was able to move into a comfortable house in
the hills of Western Cranston. Elena kept the books for
a construction company and was working on her college degree.
So she and Adam met and then they moved in
together in an apartment that was in a house her
parents had once lived in. And I read that they
still own the place. Whatever. I was just a multi

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family structure. Yeah, describe described as being in an unattractive
section of Warwick war Warwick, Rhode Island. Whoa wah wack. Okay,
So they get married. They were living in this apartment
that her parents own. So we're gonna move forward. I
head to August thirtieth of nineteen ninety, Okay, and this

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is around nine pm Adam and Elena, along with another couple,
had just picked up some food and war I can't
say it with me in Warwick, Rhode Island, and I
read that it was a seafood stand and this outing
was to celebrate Adam and Elena's second wedding anniversary. So

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they all get back into the car and suddenly there
was a jolt from behind. Another car had rammed into
the rear driver's side of Adam's black nineteen eighty five Thunderbird,
which was described as being in immaculate condition. Okay, So
when they looked up, the other car was speeding away,

(01:18:11):
disappearing around the corner of a building. Adam started his
car and at the urging of the people in the car,
he went on to chase the car that they thought
had hit them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
When he rounded the building, there was a reddish brown
nineteen seventy five Ford Ltd in front of him, and
Elena shouted that's the car.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Adam was really mad and sped after the other vehicle
in the Ford lt So the Ford Ltdep was being
driven by Jason Bass, who is twenty years old, along
with two other passengers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Having caught up to the ford. Adam was yelling at Jason,
you know, the windows are down and stuff, that he
hit his car and was trying to yell to him
to pull over. And Jason had no idea what the
other driver was yelling, but every in Jason's vehicle felt threatened, right,
so they kept driving. After nearly two miles, the LTD

(01:19:08):
either pulled over on his own or was forced off
the road by Adam. And this is like stories get
kind of murky because ye have two sides to all
of it. Okay, So but these are the things that
are clear that definitely happened. Adam left his car and
he took with him his pocket knife at the urging

(01:19:31):
of his wife. So it was like a military style knife,
is how it was described. I'm thinking like pocket knife
that flips.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Up, right, That's what I was thinking too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
He approached the other driver, Jason Bass, and Jason put
his car in reverse and tried to get away, with
Adam hanging on the driver's door. So Adam had like
climbed onto the vehicle. At one point, I was hanging
onto the driver's door when Jason put his car into
reverse and tried to get away. At took the knife

(01:20:00):
out and stabbed Jason in the heart, killing him immediately,
she says, the fuck. When all of the passengers started
getting out of the cars and looking around, they realized
that the Ford Ltd. Driven by Jason had not been
the car that sideswiped them. Elena had been wrong, and
Adam Emery had chased down and killed an innocent man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
So I couldn't find very much on Jason's life, but
I did read that he had dropped out of high
school at the age of sixteen and worked at a
number of food service jobs, and that his goal was
to open up a restaurant of his own. I read
just days before he was killed, he had quit his
most recent job as a food concession manager at Rocky Point.
I think that's like a little amusement park thing on

(01:20:42):
the water. It every coastal town has, right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
So police investigating the murder verified that Jason's car had
not hit Adam's car by doing paint chip analysis. Okay,
so there definitely wasn't Jason's car. Like not disputing that.
So No.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Fifth of nineteen ninety three, Adam's trial started. During the
five day trial, Adam never showed any emotion or remorse
for what he had done, and when asked about killing Jason,
he said that he had to defend himself from.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
What you climbed onto somebody else's fucking vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Right, He really maintained that he was not in the wrong,
that he was endangered because Jason put the car in
reverse and like gunned it with him on there. But like,
you don't step somebody in the hurt like like or
the car, right, you chased him down. This wouldn't have
happened if you didn't chase him down, right, You were.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
The They were completely innocent. They just happened to be
in the same area as you, and you took somebody
else's word that that, like you didn't think to look
to see if there was any damage to the car
before you fucking start stabbing at people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Right, So crazy, Okay? So then on November tenth of
nineteen ninety three, which was Adam's thirty first birthday, the
jury returned a verdict of guilty for second degree murder,
and still there was not any emotion from Adam. But
when the verdict was announced, Elena's brother Dominic, who was

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twenty seven, shouted at Jason's family, You scumbags were going
to get you. And Jason's family was actually escorted home
that day by police and had squad cars outside of
their house just in case, right, because there was a
threat maid, can you imagine, which, like I don't understand. Yeah,

(01:22:32):
Like I don't understand why her brother was so mad
at the victim's family.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Well, I'm sure he saw his sister upset. So instead
of being a rational, stological person, let's yell at the
victims family versus right, the fucking crazy person that your
sister married.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Right. The sentencing phase wouldn't happen for a month, so
Adam was released on bail because he had been out
on bail before or the trial started. He was arrested,
charged out on bail, came back in for the trial,
got found guilty, and then was released back out on

(01:23:11):
bail until the sentencing hearing. Okay, which I read was
had a lot of people confused, So I'm not sure
how common that sequence of events went.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
First, Okay, yeah, well Mail is murdered, like, right, so
now he stole a pack of gum. He murdered somebody, right, the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
Vergs read right. The judge that says Adam is released
on bail till the sentencing day, and Adam with his
wife left the courthouse at three pm. A little over
a half hour later, they walked into a sporting goods
store Okay. They purchased sweatsuits, athletic socks, and strap on

(01:23:53):
exercise weights, weighing a total of eighty pounds. When the
sport sporting goods worker rang up their order, Adam was
mad about how much it was and like bickered over the.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Price because they can control that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Over the next hour, the couple was seen eating at
a Burger King and then spotted on the Newport Bridge
that overlooks the Narragansett Bay Okay. Around five point fifteen pm.
They were seen driving away from the area, but returned later.
At six fifty three pm, their car was reported abandoned

(01:24:27):
on the bridge. Police found it still running with the
lights on. In the back seat were piles of neatly
folded clothes that the couple had worn to court, and
on the front seat they found cash, cut up credit
cards in Adam's driver's license. Okay, you look confused, I'm waiting, okay.
Wondering if the couple had jumped, an extensive search was done,

(01:24:49):
but nothing was located to suggest that they entered the water.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
So police talked to people who had interacted with the
memories on that last day, and they found stories that
didn't seem to fit with a couple ready to commit suicide.
So Adam arguing over the price of the equipment they
were buying at the sporting goods store doesn't fit with
someone who's about to suicide. Most people who have a
plan to kill themselves don't care about trivial things like that,
Like you're going to be dead anyway, This money is irrelevant, right.

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People who saw them at the restaurant and on the
bridge noticed that they were happy, smiling and laughing, not
something that you know, like just not scared, worried, upset
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
If they were getting ready to complete suicide, would they like,
when you think you choose something better than burger.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
King, I have that down here, Okay. At last point
that I was going to make during this little little part,
I was like this one last point burger King for
a last.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Meal, Like right, like seriously, I mean okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Courtroom footage also would shed more light on During trial,
Adam had been talking with his wife regularly in the courtroom.
Investigators brought a hearing impaired woman who read lips like
as a major form of communication to watch the courtroom videos,
and she believed that Eliness said to Adam, quote, We're

(01:26:18):
going to do what we originally said. You promised me, okay,
So then the burger king point, which we already said.
Family members would also later receive mailed suicide notes from
the couple, so the contents have never been made public before,
like as a whole. A police spokesman did say that
neither of the letters, neither of the letters directly mentioned suicide.

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Adam's letter reads, in part quote, I was at a
total loss about what happened in court today. We are
not afraid to die and we look forward to it
free at last. I write this with a clear conscience.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Well you shouldn't have a fucking clear conscience from phil
and a person.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
First of all, you shouldn't have that. But all right, So,
nine months after the Emoris went missing, fishermen came across
two human leg bones that he caught in his net.
One of the bones had been One of the bones
had some of an athletic sock on it, which was

(01:27:27):
similar to what the Emorys had bought at that store, right,
But after testing, it was determined that the bones had
not been in the water long enough to have been Adam,
and after forensics examined them, they believed that they came
from a man much shorter than atom. And then I
was like, so, who's fucking like is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Like there's still a leg that was found.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Can we talk about that? Like, where did that come from? Yeah?
I didn't really find anything else on it. Okay. On
August thirtieth of nineteen ninety four, a human skull was
pulled from the Narrogansett Bay. After testing, it was proven
to belong to Elena Emory.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Oh Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
In two thousand and four, Adam Emory was declared legally dead,
but in twenty ten, the FBI received new information that
made them believe that he was still alive. At that time,
they moved him back to the most wanted list and
they said over the years they had been given credible
information about sightings of Adam and stated that they have

(01:28:32):
no reason to believe he is dead.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
So, initially a police believed that it was a stage suicide,
but after finding Elena's skull they think that she I mean,
it can be two things, right, She either jumped in
the water willingly or was killed and put in the water.
But without the rest of her body, they can't really
determine what the cause of death is. So I wrote,
you know, three likely scenarios here. They both jumped off

(01:28:58):
the bridge, and Adam's body just hasn't ever been recovered. Okay,
it could be that his wife jumped and he planned
to jump but got like Cole, got scared and backed
out of it after seeing Elena do it, or that
he decided to kill his wife or let her jump
off the bridge herself before going on the run. So

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several days after the disappearance, there were sightings of Adam
Emory reported in Connecticut, but technically he was still free
on bail, so he couldn't be legally declared a fugitive
and police couldn't investigate the sighting until after Emory was
due back in court. So even like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Peep, you know, peek got you know, hey, just making
sure you're still doing what you're supposed to do, they
couldn't have done that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Put a tail on him, you know, keep an eye
on him. I don't know it's that seems crazy to me,
but this was also early nineties. I don't know. Yeah,
So numerous sightings were reported in Connecticut in the month
following his disappearance. Just said that the day before Emory
scheduled formal sentencing, the FBI received a tip that Emory

(01:30:08):
may have fled to Florida. The sightings after this, you know,
started in Florida, then later in France, and eventually in Italy.
The FBI believes Emory is most likely in Italy as
there's family there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
But it was her family, right right? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Like I was supposed to jump off a bridge with
your daughter, but I chose not to her granddaughter whatever,
but I chose not to. So can you like hide
me here?

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Like? Is that really sure?

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
How?

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I don't know. I honestly, I don't know what the
line of thinking is. But the FBI has worked with
Italian authorities regarding these sightings, but they haven't gotten anything conclusive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Then in twenty nineteen, the FBI said that there was
a significant chance that Emory would be tracked down within
the next five years, which I thought was weird and
very specific.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
And if you have such substantial evidence to where he
might be or is or whatnot? Like why five years, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
That's what I mean, the timeline specific. It's just that
was just a really weird heart to this. So, according
to a Washington Post article from nineteen ninety four, in
Rhode Island, second degree murder carried no mandatory penalty, the
judge could have imposed anything from zero years to life
in prison, you know, and if the judge had come

(01:31:33):
down somewhere in the middle, like twenty years with time
off for good behavior, Adam probably would have only served
eight or nine.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Years wow, for murder.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
I just person right, and instead of giving the family
justice and going through the system because you clearly chased
down and murdered an innocent man like right knows where
is or whatever. So there are you know, there's a
lot of people who say, like he definitly jumped off
the bridge, he died in the sightings were wrong. And

(01:32:04):
then there are other people who think that either he
killed Elena or let her jump off the bridge, or
saw her jump off the ridge and backed out and
then went on the run. But I didn't see anything
about like money that was taken out of accounts before,
you know, anything like that. So I don't know, I
don't know which which way I land the FBI. Thinking
that he's still alive is interesting though.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Right very I guess I'm still kind of hung up
on the fact that she wasn't charged with something as well,
because like she told him to take the knife with him,
do you know what I mean? Like I feel like
that's like at least accessoryate minimal, do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Yeah, because like she encouraged him to take a weapon
to go confront this individual that did right road.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Rage is scary.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Well, the whole fucking like, the whole thought of not
only him chasing a random car just because as one
person thought they saw that it was that car, right,
I don't know, it just it blows my mind. Also
the fact there was, hey, hey buddy, why don't you
look to see if there's any fucking paint damage or
car damage to this car before you go assaulting somebody? Right,

(01:33:15):
or just don't assault begin with.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
But yeah, I was gonna say, maybe maybe take assault
off the table, but my sources were Boston twenty five
News by Bob Ward Unsolved dot Com turned to ten
dot com. The Washington Post article from nineteen ninety four
by William F. Powers Newport this Week, dot Com, Wikipedia,
and there was a medium article by Lisa Marie Fuquah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Shout out Lisa Marie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Oh Man. So that was I just I came across
that on the Crime Doors app that I talked about
a few weeks ago, and I was like, I must
know more about this, right there, you have it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Yeah, that's just the like, I don't know, I'm torn
because they seemed so in love that you would think
that they jumped together.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
But if you're on the run, you don't want the
liability of a person.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
And he was shitty enough of a person to stab
an innocent person that like, it's not completely part touched
that he would lead his wife on into thinking that
they're running away together and then like or completing suicide together,
like and then surprise, you're going in the water. I'm

(01:34:37):
going on the run, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
It was That's craziness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
That's yeah, that's a wild one.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Do you have a funny kid thing?

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Okay? So I don't have a funny kid thing, but
I have a funny husband thing. Okay. So the other day,
Kata and Connor were out front and you know, in
the garage and and he let Bailey out front with them,
and as and he was standing by the back door,

(01:35:05):
and there was a garden hoe like leaning up against
the wall. As we walked by him and passed the
garden hoe, she stepped on it and it slapped him
in the center of the forehead. You want in the
house like with like a like a mean mug. And
I'm like, what's wrong with you? And then he's like,

(01:35:27):
do you not see the bright red spot in the
middle of my forehead? And being said, I instantly started
laughing as he told me what happened, and then I
told him that I would be speaking of it while
we record, so we will.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Tell the whole world about this, just so you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
I mean, that's hilarious, Like, how does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
It's like out of a three Stooges or something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
Exactly funny husband thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I didn't really have a funny thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
That's a husband story story.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
That I mean. I'm still like trying not to laugh
because every time I think about it, I just like
watching him walk in with the big rud well in
the middle of his forehead was hilarious. Oh man, good wife.
But you can also find us on the buzz that
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