72. Judy Buenoano

🔪 Arsenic, insurance fraud, and one very unlucky family…This week, Sarah covers Judy Buenoano, Florida’s OG Black Widow 🕷️

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, I'm te Lisa and I'm Sarah. Welcome to the
shit show I have that's True crime podcast. Oh my god,
it's already. I know. We have literally been trying to
adjust listen.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're trying a new camera setup thing, and we as
always are struggling, obviously, but that was a solid.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hour of literally just trying to get shit well. And
my brand new MacBook like froze up on the app
store when I was trying to get the programming. Okay,
so we're setting it up so that we both have our.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Own cameras because we're professional at this negative but I
said that we should just record us setting this up
every week and that can be like a tier on Patreon.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Honestly, I think that would be like the star of
our Patreon.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Is just like, we cannot get it together. Sarah's camera
right now is on a step stone because her stand thing.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
My trio broke. I don't know. It's actually a tripod
my son's lights that we bought him, and one of
the little nuts on it is missing for some reason.
So it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's fine, you know what, we're here, we're recording. I
almost hit a turkey on my way here.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Today.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
So that was like a mile away from my house.
I was like, do I just turn around now?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I don't know. It like just started out like it
was after me. We almost listen, we almost had a
turkey as well. When we were in Illinois. Grabbed a
hold of the door because I was obviously going to
keep you safe. I obviously wasn't driving. I don't do that.
But yeah, yeah, how was your spring break? It was fine? Fine? Yeah,
we didn't do anything exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like I said when we recorded last, We stayed and
my kids had.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Practices, all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
All of the practices, and now we're moving into planned
practices over they're not like mandatory. Oh kids that went
away on vacation aren't penalized for missing them.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay. Yeah. So we just hung out and that was that.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
It wasn't like great weather here to do much.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
We went to the beach. Yeah, so that was Yeah,
you want to go in? No, No, I'm I'm not
allowed to. Oh that's right, Well that's fun. We obviously
went to Illinois. It was a roller coaster, A good one.
I guess it wasn't bad. It wasn't a bad trip
actually overall, Like it was with things that fell through

(02:20):
and didn't work out like we had originally planned. It
was still a very smooth trip. We went to celebrate
my little sister's twenty first birthday, which was on Easter,
which is a Sunday in southern Illinois and the Bible Belt,
which means absolutely fucking lily, nothing is open to like
go celebrate the twenty first birthday.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
The only birthday you're supposed to be celebrating is Jesus says, well,
that's not Easter.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, it's it's when he became alive again. But yeah,
we I talked about what we were planning on going
bowling because we had called multiple times and they're like, yeah,
so we were gonna be open, get there not open.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I mean, I'm not surprised that Bowling Alley wasn't open
on Easter, even like up here, I don't think, well.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
You're right, like we didn't. Like that's why we We
had called multiple times our one life yes and bye,
wed not meet my husband and Savannah Bolls Goll multiple times,
which is fine. I worked out. We went to her house.
I took more shots than I've taken in the past
ten years of my life. A bitch be crazy we
were playing games they had like drunk Janga or something
like that. It's pretty fun. But by eleven, I'm like, fuck,

(03:19):
I'm tired. I get a kid to deal with in
the morning, like, and I'm not a shot person. Yeah,
so I'm like, hey, for me, go ahead and call
your friends over. We're leaving goodbye. So that's kind of
what happened with that. We also scheduled Savanna and I
also scheduled to get tattoos together. We drive the forty
five minutes to the place where we had booked like

(03:40):
two months prior, and sat there. Of course, you know me,
I am stupidly early for everything. I had never been
to the place, so I didn't know how like if
it was hard to get to. So we got their
thirty minutes early for our appointment. Because our appointment at
twelve thirty. We got there twelve, so you could have
fifteen minutes to sit in your car, yes, and to
go about the situation and then go in fifteen minutes early. Yeah,

(04:02):
so we did that. We went in and we sat in.
One of the tattoo artists is like, oh hs, and
we helped you and make Nope, we're or actually Savanna
dead because I don't talk to people. She's like, oh, no,
we have an appointment with so and so and we're
just waiting for him to show. She's like, okay, he's
not here yet. I'll text him a little bit. No
that you guys are already here. We sat there for an
hour past our three ye we were an hour and
a half because we got their friend. I would never

(04:25):
multiple times, There's no way I would ever sit through
Sabanna message the guy multiple times, no response. Two of
his co coworkers called multiple times, message multiple times, no response.
So finally one of them is like, well, you guys
are so welcome to wait. I'm sorry, Like, obviously it's
not his fault or his pad. He's got his own
client he's dealing with. So we're like, we've got kids

(04:46):
to get home too, Like we can't. We've been here
an hour and a half and nothing that fell through.
She finds another artist who can fit us in the
next day. So we did end up getting our tattoos.
I'm going to leave it that I saw the pictures
of the tattoos and I said, I can't wait till
we get tramp stamps of the podcast logo. We we
have to figure out which logo we can go with first.

(05:07):
I want to go back to the old logo. I know,
I know, we I but yeah, so it was it
was a good trip overall. I have to tell you
about my coffee first, yeah, or real quick. We went
to like a new I guess. I guess it's not new,
it's been there a couple of years, but like a
local coffee shop. And I am not I am the
like I get the same thing every time I might
go to a coffee shop. I don't. I don't know
if anybody knows this. I don't like change. I don't

(05:28):
like trying new things. I just don't.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I wouldn't want to spend a billion dollars on a
coffee and not like it just because I've never had
it before.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You write, you know what I mean? Sin, Yeah, So
I did my normal iced hazel out coffee, and then
Sabina's like, oh, I'm going to get BlackBerry sweet cold
foam on my on her coffee, and like that sounds
fucking amazing. So I got that on top of the
hazel n best coffee I've ever had my fucking life.
To the point as soon as I got home I
ordered BlackBerry syrup so I can make my own cold

(05:57):
home home. But yeah, just so, yeah, I walked.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
In and I saw that on your corn and I
was like, what are we doing with that? Because that's
in interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
You can get into cold film, which I tried this morning,
but I only had light cream. I didn't have heavy cream,
so it didn't like folm up as much. But it
was still very good. So definitely something everybody should absolutely
go try right now because I suggested it.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
But don't turn the podcast off. You can make that
while you listen.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, but yeah, it was a good. It was good vacation,
getting see family been a while. I am glad to
be home. Yeah, but so, but yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, I literally have nothing exciting that I can share
besides that. I started running with Monty Oh again this
week because it's like finally nice out. It's been like
cold and rainy, and I am not about to, no,
absolutely not go go outside for my mental health in
the cold rain.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's not gonna help.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
So we went yesterday for a three mile run, which, like,
I don't know what's wrong with my brain that I
can't just restart the couch to five k thing. I
have to go straight to the five k, but like,
we're just running it, right, And first thing, he made
it about two miles running and then he was like
we're walking, which I was like, okay, lasted longer than
I would right, And not to be like an asshole,

(07:08):
I know people get all like but heard about how
they train their dogs and a lot whatever.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I would expect somebody to call me on. We had
another dog.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
On the trail and I sent you a picture because
like it was part of it. So it was a
sidewalk and it was like fenced it on one side
and the other side to the road was like a ditch.
So there was like nowhere to go except there was
a covered culvert up ahead.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
When I see this dog coming.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
On a retractable leash all the way out. And the
thing about those is like, if the dog's pulling, you're
not getting that dog back.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Really, if the dogs any larger than a chihuahua, I
say ten to fifteen pounds out o, that shit's breaking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So I'm like, all right, that guy's walking with that
dog with the dogs all the way out. So I'm
doing like distance math in my head, which I cannot do,
so I get to the covered culvert thing where I
could cross the dish and go over to the the
road and then we'd have the ditch in between us.
I get up there and we go, and I'm telling Manty,
like leave it, good boy, like we're going, and this

(08:08):
dog lunged across the whole ditch, teeth out, almost like
almost got my dog. And I was like, what the fuck?
But we kept going because I'm like whatever. And then
that was around when Monty was like, we're gonna walk,
Because first that was scary.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Second, I also like, keep my head on a swivel.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Right, And so I texted you and I was like, dude,
what the fuck. And then I realized, I like, I'm
on an out and back route. I'm gonna run into
that guy again. Yeah, for sure, because he's not walking
the five miles with it. I could just I could
just tell he's not walking the whole whole thing. So like,
we're definitely going across paths again. And sure enough, at
like about the same point because I went back, we

(08:45):
were crossing paths again. So I turn around and I
go back to the culver thing, go back around. Now
I'm gonna be hit by a fucking car and the
guy goes.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Hey, you can.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
You don't have to go all the way around like that,
like my leash is in or something like that, And
I was like, I I'm good.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Like your dog lunched.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
At us last time, right, also get a better leash
and maybe some training. I don't know, but more of
the story is like retractable leishes. My opinion, that guy
was probably like, oh, my dog.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is always so good. Yeah, clearly he's obvious lunging or
it's lunging. The guy is lunging. Listen. If the guy
was lunging, hands would have been thrown.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, So that was I'm like, do but because the
last thing I need is so Mandy's like a very
curious dog. I'm not gonna call him reactive. He's not
aggressive in anyway. He's like you are friend, shaped you're
my friend?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Can I smell you?

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I want to when I want him to learn manners
of like you're paying attention to me? Yeah, I'm I'm
what's important here, And the last thing I need is
for someone's dog on a shitty retractable leash to attack
my dog and turn his curiosity into like being reactive.
Absolutely so That's why I was so heated about it.
And now that we're into the nice dog walking, whether

(09:54):
just an upstate New York.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Click just I just want to see people in the
city with him or and like on public roads, like
walking like with those. That stresses me out because I
saw a TikTok I don't know, forever ago years ago
now that this girl was like fucking devastated because somebody
had their husky on a retractable leash. It saw another
dog across the road, took off out in front of them,

(10:17):
got tied up in the fucking car and tires because
of the retractable leaves. Oh my gosh, So like you're
not keeping your dog safe with those. That's why I
hate them, because I'm more worried about your dog, no like,
but like my thing is so that Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
That dog yesterday was, like I said, like forty pounds,
some kind of mix of a collie or something, and
I have a seventy pound pitbull, right, So if something
happened there because that dog came over and like lunged
and bit my dog and something happened, it's always my
dog's fault, even though my dog is properly secured and
not to mention, I would definitely get hurt myself, like

(10:51):
separating that obviously, but like it would always be my
dog's fault.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah. So anyway, the most exciting thing that happened on.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
My spring break was almost fighting a man. If there's
one thing I'm good at, it's fighting with men. That's
been that's been proven.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Also, welcome to any of our new listeners.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah. Hi, That's all I'm gonna say this is we
haven't really been able to talk or see each other
in over a week, so we're just we're literally nineteen
we're dumping it all right now, So what will get cut?
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay, so first let's just jump right in nineteen minutes.
And first I just want to say, it looks like
we've got one new review, but they didn't write anything,
so I can't shout you Outsha. I think format format
kind of what we're we're well, I mean, we've been
kind of doing this on nof for a few weeks

(11:42):
moving forward till who knows when? Yeah, maybe forever, see
how it goes.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
We are only doing one.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Case a week because I have two part time jobs
in three kids in sports, and I sit on two
boards and might go, wow, I I do too much.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's almost like somebody has told you that before listen,
you were taking all of up all Nope, you were
taking up all of our one life, I know, with
all of my stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
So I'm like, we've got spring sports starting fall sports.
Nonprofit board that I sit on is planning for the fall.
I'm very involved in the school. Like I can't do
a case and edit every week. Sarah's got a whole
bunch of shit going on that yes, needs to get
figured out, and it's just there's not enough time. There's
enough hours in the day. And also, like when I'm
having a pity party for myself, I'm not editing or

(12:31):
researching a case. I'm rotting on the couch. I need
to put time into my life for rotting on the
couch or taking my dog for a run. And so
in order to do that, it's.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Like just balancing life.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
We're just doing one case a week because we split
the cases overbreak and I edited the first one in
like an hour, and I texted Sarah. I was like, Hey,
I know we've talked about doing this before, Yeah, but
I think we need.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
To do that. Okay, so real quick, what was the
name of that lady? I wasn't, I can't. I was Bertha.
I decades ago covered that on Patreon, so please the
text asking I think if I had cover it, if
I've heard of it or whatever, and I'm like, I'm
pretty like, well, because I was edited, I think that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
So when I edit, I'll split the screen and just
like look at cases or try to pull articles for
the next.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Thing that I'm doing. And I pulled up Bertha what's
her butt Horoanda, Bertha Baranda, and I was like, oh,
hell yeah, fucking cut her husband's dick off, like old
timey Lorena Bobbit. Yeah. So I'm like looking at that,
and I was like, you're.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Rich, but I'm like, I feel like we've like I
looked at when her picture that came up was her mugshot,
which is awesome, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I don't know, man, that seems like something we've done.
Did I do that?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And I was looking through my notes and I couldn't
find it. So I texted Sarah and she was like,
I don't know, did I do that? So we had
to look it up and I was like, well, you
can just redo it because it was for Patreon and
we don't have anyone on Patreon.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
At all, so.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Sad, and so she went to go research it to
do it for this week, and it's very short, and
turns out the audio for that episode, because it was
a quickie, was twenty three minutes.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah. So when I, cause I had my notes, didn't
transfer from my old computer to my new computer, so
I had to wait until I got back home to
pull it up. And then I'm like, okay, cool, I'll
just you know, read through this, see if there's anything new.
You know, they had come out even though it's a
fucking centuries old at this point. Oh my god, it's
literally like eighteen eighty. Let's see if something new came out.

(14:24):
I say, yeah, I was like okay, And then I
transferred it to my new computer and I started scrolling
through my notes and then like, this isn't long enough
to like, so I had to scrap that. So Lisa
suggested a few cases to me, and just nothing was hitting.
So I happened across this case.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Okay, Yeah, so back to what I would saying, we're
doing one case a week.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's it is what it is. We talked about.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Maybe definitely not for the month of May, because I've
got one billion things every day, like eventually bringing back
the Quickies, but doing like the unsolved underreported things for
that show.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
It's it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's all I mean, That's all there is to really
say about it is that that's what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Now. Okay, well all right, I think I'm up.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, So Sarah's going this week and a half an
hour in.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So sorry, all right, I am going to tell I
didn't look up how to say this last name star
enough strong, We're gonna just get where I'm just gonna
full send it. It's it made up last name anyways, Okay,
all right, I am going to tell you about Judy
Banana Banana Banana Yes, b U E n O A
n O. We'll explain the name later on. You are

(15:31):
going to have questions during this. I can guarantee you
we'll answer them later on. Okay, are you telling me
not to interrupt you? No? No, I'm just I know
there was a couple of times, a couple things as
I was typing this up, and makes she's gonna ask
more question.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, you've sent me a screenshot of your phone because
you looked up arsenic poisoning or something and it was like,
get help here, and you're like, I'm going to be
on a list, and I was like, hey, literally hours
before that looked up how if an AC unit having
an AC unit cranked up?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
How forgot said? I can't remember how I worded it.
Would I say?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Like how much that can slow decomposition? I was like,
so we're both on this state, we're both on a
list like this, CA, you can just come take us now.
So I was like, I'm assuming this is like an
old timey very staircase based on the Arsenic It's actually
not that old timey. It is older than us, which
is pretty old, all right. So again I don't look
at one no.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
No no. Judaeus and lou Welti was born in Texas
on April fourth, nineteen forty three. Judaeus g a U
d ia. She goes by Judy, which is what I
would also, I that's from here on she'll be going
by Judy. So Judy was the third of four siblings,

(16:42):
and Judy seemed to have a pretty difficult childhood. And
Judy was just four years old her mother passed away.
I could not find what happened to the mother or
her parents' names? Okay, so not even the father? No,
I wow, multiple articles and none of them had either
my parents' names.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So and you didn't subscribe to ancestry dot com to
go try to figure that out like I did for
that one case.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I do have an account on there. I don't pay
for it, though, So no, I did not. So, like
I said, I couldn't figure out how her mom passed away,
just that she did pass When Judy was born, she
and her younger brother of Robert, were sent to live
with their grandparents after their mom died. Judy was then
passed from relative relative and it seemed she was even
in Bosterare for a period of time. Judy claimed that

(17:28):
she was physically and sexually abused in many of these
homes that she was placed on. I believe it. Yeah.
So Judy's father eventually remarried to a woman with two
children of her own, and then Judy and her younger brother, Robert,
joined their father and new step family in Roswell, New Mexico.
So she was born in Texas. At four, she was
sent to live with family because mom died at ten.

(17:49):
Around ten, Dad remarried and brought the kids back or
the two. I don't know about the two oldest. I
saw nothing about the other two kids because okay, she
just have to do with aliens. No, I wouldn't have
mine did all right, So they moved her as well.
So sadly for Judy, life with her father and stepmother
wasn't a good one. Judy was said to be severely
mistreated by both her father and stepmother. They reportedly starved

(18:13):
Judy and forced her to labor as a slave. So basically, like, how.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Come all of your old timy cases lately involved child.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Slavery and a dead mother? Am I a Disney movie?
I'm just gonna say, okay, Walt Disney. I yeah, I
didn't even think about that, Like multiple of my cases recently,
like mom died when they were young and then they
were child slaves. Yeah, huh right. So, at the age
of fourteen, Judy spent two months behind bars after she

(18:42):
had lashed out and assaulted her father, stepmother, and two stepbrothers.
So finally, after four years of abuse with her father
and Stepmaana lifed him of abuse with a room. Prior
to that, yeah, she finally blashed out and assaulted them,
but she was able to attack the whole family. That's like, yeah,
so it makes me wonder, like was she physically attacking?
Was she like verbally going up a couple of them

(19:05):
and then like physically attacked one Like yeah, I don't know. Okay,
So after spending time in the slammer, Judy decided to
enroll in a reform school. Okay, I'm sorry, I don't
know why Sam last and like she's gonna love this.
I was not wrong. So yeah, so she spent you know,
some time in jail, and then after she was released,

(19:26):
she enrolled in a reform school, which she graduated from
in either nineteen fifty nine or nineteen sixty Okay, choose
whichever article you would like to believe. After graduating, Judy
went on to work as a nursing assistant, and a
year later, at the age of seventeen, Judy fell pregnant
and gave birth to her son, Michael in nineteen sixty one.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Okay, pause, why were we saying she fell?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I don't know, I didn't know. I worded it a
couple different ways, and I'm like, none of this downs.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
It's not like she's the virgin Mary, we know how
that happen. Is it worded that way in articles and stuff, because.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Like she was she made married or no, she was
not married.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Okay, well I can see like articles wording it that way,
like she whoopsie became pregnant at seventeen seteen, yes, and
we who were I don't know why, I literally okay,
after falling pregnant.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
And giving birth, like just so you just trip and fall.
It's just like men when they cheat and the cheat cheap,
when they cheat and their dick just accidentally slips into somebody,
like it's the same. So this is the opposite side
of that. Yeah, yeah, that's how the perspective. Yeah, got it?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Okay, Sex said with the ship show, you just slipping again.
Welcome to all of our new listeners.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Hello. Okay. So, not long after having her son, Judy
met a young Air Force sergeant named James Goodyear. After
a short courtship duty and James got married in nineteen
sixty two, and James adopted Michael to raise him as
his own and then he started the tire company, the
Dear Tires. Yeah, unfortunately that will not be happening. Okay, fine,

(20:59):
And a few short years later, a couple welcome two
more babies, James and Kimberly. So it's son and daughter.
Were they twins? I don't think so. But that's again,
it wasn't a whole lot of information like in regards
to that stuff. I'm surprised the kids even were named
named so in the late teen Nope, in the late
in the lateeen hundreds. In the late nineteen sixties, Judy's

(21:22):
little family moved to Orlando, Florida after James was reassigned
for a Strategic Air Command base at McCoy Air Force Base.
Why did I put base there? Doesn't belong anyways, military?
You know, you get reassigned to other posts all the time.
Thank you for explaining how that works. You're quite welcome.
Another fun fact which I did not fact check. It

(21:43):
was in one of the articles, so I added it,
meant to FactCheck check, did not. This base is now
the Orlando International Air Somebody fact check me. Tell me
in an email how wrong I am, and I will
forward you to the article I pulled it from, and
I will be the middleman for all of that. Yeah,
because I don't read those. Okay. So after this move,

(22:06):
James was also sent to Vietnam for a year, and
he returned home in May of nineteen seventy one. But
sadly for James, just a few months after returning home,
the once healthy man began experiencing strange symptoms, and by September,
James passed away from this mysterious illness that plagued him.
Doctors ruled his pose of death as a heart attack.

(22:26):
All right, Thankfully for Judy, though, she was able to
collect twenty eight thousand dollars in life insurance as well
as around sixty four thousand and Veterans administration benefits to
support her and her children. In today's moneies, that's approximately
two hundred and twenty two thousand dollars and five hundred
and eight thousand dollars, so over half a million dollars. Okay,

(22:47):
she must have really liked her alone time in the
year that he was gone. Is that? I think this
is where we hold questions? No questions? Got it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
I can already see where this is going here? Do
know what you're dgging about?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
After the death of her husband, Judy decided to move
to Pensacola, Florida. So they were in Orlando. Now they're
in Pensacola, and in nineteen seventy two, Judy met a
man named Bobby Morris. When Bobby decided to move to Colorado,
Judy with her kid's phone. But hard times would strike
again for Judy because just a few years later, Bobby,

(23:22):
Judy's now common law husband, started experiencing strange symptoms. Bobby
was admitted to the hospital, treated and then released, but sadly,
in January of nineteen seventy eight, Bobby's conditions worsened at home,
so he was readmitted to the hospital, where he later died.
Doctors thought that Bobby, just like James, had passed from
a heart attack. Some really bad luck. Judy had bad luck,

(23:44):
and the aspect of significant others sounds like a yeah,
but not in the aspect of life insurance policies. Your
fingers coming in to not I got your phones over there.

(24:05):
I hope that's a clip you have to pull and
you just say we are professionals anyway, Okay, I'm gonna
keep my fingers my call. Please why, I don't know.

(24:27):
I couldn't stop it. I need to report you to
the HR department for sexual harassment. I'm crying. Keep my
fingers myself. You're gonna have to cut my fucking high pitch. Okay, Okay,

(24:53):
this is a true crime podcast. Oh god, I'm my
heead of Okay, if I pass out from laughing.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm gonna put that on a T shirt and keep
my fingers to myself.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Okay, I can't cut turns out laughing, really are it
makes me super dizzy?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's the paths Okay, and we're hilarious variously. Yes, everybody
listening to this is like, that's not even that funny
it is, and you've had two hours of sleep.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay. So, like I said, Judy was luckily able to
collect life insurance from three different policies that were out
on Bobby, her now common law husband, who passed from
a supposed heart attack. I did not see anywhere how
much she gained from those, though.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I was making the face because I didn't realize like
common law my stuff was like, I think it depends
on what easily binding and or if he put her
as the beneficiary.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Anyway, I'm sure she was probably beneficiary, but I think
also I know each state is different when it comes
to like hand law marriage. I didn't look any further
than that because I know Illinois has it, but I
honestly I haven't heard heard anybody's sake common law marriage
in like decades. Oh it's a partner, yeah, like it's yeah,

(26:05):
yeah anyway, Okay. So then, after Bobbie had passed, Judy
decided to move back to Pensacola, Florida around this time.
Around the same time, Judy also changed her last name
to Bueno on, which is a grammatically incorrect Spanish translation
for goodyear. Okay, like I see it. It's definitely you
can tell. It was somebody who knew nothing really of

(26:27):
Spanish and just knew that good is bueno and Anna
is okay Arno is You're like, gotcha? So yeah, it
not not good. Why would she do that? Maybe she's squirky.
I have no clue. Maybe maybe she's quirky. Maybe it's arsenic.
Maybe she's squirky. So yeah, that's how she ended up
with the last name that I am going going to

(26:49):
just continue butchering because it's not a real one, because
it's not made up. Yeah right, not so. In nineteen
seventy nine, he's now adult son Michael, had decided to
join the army and he was set to be stationed
at Fort Benning, Georgia. I almost put a ton on that,
and there's no way.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I was waiting for like Fort Bennington, Fort Benning.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So Michael was on his way to Fort Benning when
he stopped to see his mother at her home in
Pencil Pensacole, So like on his way through I'm gonna
assume probably from Basic wherever he did Basic, she's.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Probably like right after he signed all the beneficiary stuff
and put his mom as the beneficiary before he went.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Wouldn't she automatically be since he's an identical person and
if he wanted to be next of ken, well, right,
unless he specify somebody different, right, I don't know. I
don't know. I'm just saying it just seems like it's
right after that, But tell me how it's so sadly
for Michael. He'd also become extremely ill, experiencing an a
array of symptoms not long after arriving to his new post.

(27:47):
So joined military. I'm assuming, went through Basic, stopped at
mom's real quick hello, and then went to his post
at Fort Benning, and then he pretty immediately was okay.
So Michael would eventually be diagnosed with arsenic poisoning. That
is so oh, my stars, that is so surprising to me.
I told you this is a very Sarah case. So unfortunately,

(28:09):
not until after he had or not until after lake
it had already affected both his legs and arms, so
like he lost mobility and because of that, Michael was
discharged from the army. Due to the effects of the poisoning,
Michael now required heavy metal lake braces to get around.
One article, actually a couple of articles, said that he
now suffers from symptoms of paraplegia. So like, I don't

(28:32):
know if he was a full paraplegic, because it did
sound like he was still able to move some with
assistance from like the lake braces, but again he was
severely disabled because of the braining. Okay, so I know
I have talked about the symptoms of arts like poisoning before,
but it's been like a decade, so I thought I
would go over them again.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Oh sorry, I'm like, well, this is a very sarahcase
with the arsenic You're like, I know, I have. I
have once before talked about arsenic.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
On this podcast a million times before. So arsenic is
a naturally occurring element, and you know in environment that
can be found in rock, soil, water, air plants, animals,
you know at Beauty's kitchen. Yeah, possibly so. Most of
most of arstic poisoning can be linked to agricultural and

(29:19):
industrial processes like mining, and it like leaches into the water, groundwater,
and that's how it, you know, contaminates it, and that's
how a lot of people get arsenic poisoning. So immediate
symptoms of arsenic poisoning are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal and
chest pain, abnormal heart rhythm, pens and needles, feeling, and
the fingers and toes. Which you started like a peptobismal commercial. Yeah, yeah,

(29:46):
this sounds like my every day And that was my
follow up, Like, once you got out of the peptobismal thing,
I was like, does Sarah have arsenic? That's should we
go to check on? Fucking wild? What's Penton doing all
this time? All of these cases that I covered of
arstaic poisoning, and it just turns out that I'm actually
being poisoned myself. That would be wild.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
That would be I would fight a man? Actually, would
I fight him? Or would I become more sneaky about it?

Speaker 1 (30:08):
He? I shouldn't say does he listen? He is our
largest fan. I guess our biggest fan. That is gonna
be the TikTok clip because of what he said last week. No, No,
he's okay whatever, they're warped listen. I don't know words,

(30:30):
but yes, he's our biggest fan in the sense of
he runs our fan club. And he made us a room,
a whole room. He painted, he hung new lights, and
he put our new lights up. But we gotta wait
until the dry balls on the ceiling before we can
show those because we're not the lights. Well, I just
meant if they were ever in camera. Here's the room.
If there's a door of our room, you know, I
just meant like it was ever in the picture. Okay. Anyways,

(30:52):
so long term exposure can cause of our snake poisoning,
just in case you forgot where I was at, Okay,
can cause darkening of the skin and lesions, hard patches
on the palms and soles of your hands and feet,
persistent sore throat, and it can obviously also lead to
death if it goes untreated.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
It can also make it so that you cannot speak effectively.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Sarah has it. I'm going to go get tested. Also,
I forgot to add that arsenic can be found in
rat poisoning.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Okay, so this I was going to make a rough
on rats joke earlier, but I couldn't remember if rough
on rats was strychnine or arsenic.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I thought it was arsenic, but now that I'm thinking
of it, I don't remember. So many that I don't
remember either rats active ingredient? Is that main? Now I'm
going to be on the same list as you powdered arsenic? Okay, Yeah,
that's zinga terrible So unfortunately for Judy, the hits just
kept coming. We've lost husband number one, lost common law husband,

(31:54):
and now on May thirteenth, nineteen eighty, Judy took Michael
out to canoe Florida's East River. Michael the son who
was discharged from the army after being poisoned by arsenic
and now has to wear heavy metal braces. Why would
she bring him out on a canoe? I don't know. Somehow,
during this outing, the canoe capsized, throwing both Judy and

(32:16):
her disabled son Michael out of the boat. Okay, Judy,
there were no life best on the canoe. Okay. Was
the canoe named the Titanic not that I know of.
So Judy was able to swim to safety, you know,
back to shore, but sadly for Michael, he was not
his heavy metal lake braces drug him down and drown
him at just the age of nineteen. Michael's death was

(32:38):
ruled an accidental drowning.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Can you imagine that's like when it clicks for him
that oh my god, like this is this is all
my mom?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, and now you're severely disabled from her poisoning you, oh,
possibly poisoning you, definitely poisoning. And then she somehow talks
you into going out on a canoe without life jacket.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well maybe like then, like was water safety really a
thing or are we like in the seventies or whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, well we're yeah, the eighties, the beginning of the
eighties now, But yeah, I also thought about that, like
maybe like it wasn't a common as common now like
or then as it is now. But Judy was able
to quietly collect the money from Michael's life insurance policies
after his staff Judy Judy Buena Vista or whatever the

(33:25):
fuck your name is, so on a poe on. Oh
I don't know how there's at it. So after collecting
on her son's policy. Judy opened a beauty salon with
that money, and then in nineteen eighty three, Duty dated
a wallpaper businessman named John Gentry. A wallpaper businessman. Okay,

(33:47):
I don't know why we didn't just say wallpaper salesman.
But well, maybe he owned his own wallpaper business. Maybe
makes more sense, I guess, all right. So John would
later recall this is a quote that he said Judy
was standing at the bar all dressed in black. She
wore black white a lot. In fact, psychologically, I think
that says a lot about her when describing when he

(34:07):
first met Judy.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes, it's not that I were black very I'm really
glad I'm not wearing black today.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
I put on a black shirt and change.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I think that we can't judge people based on how
much black they were, And that's all I'm going to
say about that.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I agree, it's my go to color, all right. So
Judy quickly became engaged to John, and John and Judy
easily convinced John that they should take out life insurance
policies on each other. Okay, you know, while we're dating,
one does when you start dating somebody new, well, they
I don't know if they she talked to him and
do it before after they got engaged, but they quickly

(34:45):
became engaged. So okay, still not enough time to be
like discussing life insurance policies. You know, I think like
when you get married and you're I mean, yeah, like
wherever I can see that. Yeah, but I don't know
when I'm and bliss of engagement, I don't think life
insurance is popping up on my brain of like, need

(35:06):
to make sure we check that off the list, just
in case he dies. All right, So John wasn't suspicious
of Judy because she had told him how her first husband, James,
had been killed in Vietnam and that her common law
husband Bobby had died from alcoholism. You know, is that
what you said a few minutes ago? No?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, no, nope, they both died of supposed heart attacks. Okay, welly,
now we live in twenty twenty five where we can
just google in stock people now not stock people, just
verify stuff, research stuff infects, Yeah, and things like that.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Knowledge is power. Poor. This guy's name is John. Poor.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
John just had to take Judy in her black shirt.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But by her word, yeah, I mean, well, I'm sure
you know, she's obviously got to be a good charmer, Like, yeah,
like get so many people to mar so quickly. Do
you have to be a charmer or do you have
to have like big boobs that you're showing off. I'm neither,
So I don't know that's true. I mean men are
that simple. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
That sounds kind of victim blame me on their part
when you.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Say, oh, no, I'm generalizing men. I just went maturing
them at the bar meeting. I think I think for
a man to get in trick a bunch of women,
he has to be charming, really charming. I think for
a woman to do it, you just have to act
like a little bit ditsy and yeah, yeah, brush your hair,
you know, like I was gonna say, look at my

(36:33):
hair right now. So, like I said, John wasn't suspicious
of Judy and you know, asking for life and stress policies,
especially after having two husbands die. Okay, then I can
see that even more. Yeah, yeah, so if John died,
Judy would receive five hundred thousand dollars just to cool
half million dollars to take care of her, you know,

(36:53):
nothing crazy In nineteen eighties money yes, yeah, not in
today's money. I didn't, okay, convert that one because I
did it earlier. I thought, No, I converted to something else.
I think I do converte.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I mean, the nineteen eighties was a very long time ago.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
So my husband was born in the eighties, and he
is our largest fan I am. I'm never gonna live
that and be a little sorry, all right. So all right,
So Judy started giving John vitamin C capsules after he

(37:29):
caught a cold. So catches a cold, Judy's like, here,
vitamin C helps that. Take these capsules I got just
for you. Okay. But the vitamin C capsules made John
so sick he wound up in the hospital. And after
being treated in the hospital, John obviously got better from
his adverse reaction from the vitamin C capsules. But John
didn't stay out of the hospital for long. Okay, because

(37:52):
it's fucking car exploded. I was not expecting that. What
his car exploded while he was on his way to
a liquor store.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Okay, Well, I mean, if you're in the middle of
our snick poisoning, where are we going to the liquor store?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
But well, you didn't know. He just had an adverse
reaction to vitamin Z. Okay, it's the hunts are not
regulated that it may have been too much of the
one it's but it's the vitamin C. He did survive
his car exploding, Okay, and Judy was like, what the
fuck this dude just won't die. Should joke about it?

(38:25):
But okay. So obviously a car bombing would be investigated
by the police. Yeah, and Judy was at the top
of their very shortlist. Pensacola Detective Ted Chamberlain said, quote,
Judy just went one murder too far. If she just
let that last boyfriend alone, she probably could have walked
away from the other murders. I feel like I should

(38:47):
have said that in my accident, Like, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I'm actually surprised that Judy would be the first suspect.
Like I feel like a car bombing is not what
the woman right.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
But the more they started to look into, you know,
people surrounding him, people close to him, and looking into
Judy's past and probably sitting back too far, yeah, and
looking into Judy's past.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
And then like to like verify that husband number one
didn't die in Vietnam, husband number two didn't die of alcoholism, yeah, alcoholism.
So that's then they're like, okay, and then her son also.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Died, yeah, drowning. Yeah, so yeah. So obviously, like once
they started looking into Judy and like saw her tragic backstory,
then they were like, maybe we need to look a
little further into this. So it was Ted Chamberlains an
investigation that led to the arrest of Judy. I'm not
saying your last one of hasta manyana yes. So it

(39:46):
led to the arrest of Judy as well as the
exclamation of Judy's first husband John or nope, James, I'm
gonna just read sure, as well as the exhammation of
Judy's first husband, James Goodyear. Judy's common law has been
Bobby Morris and her son Michael. Testing would later show
that all three men suffered from arsenic poisoning, and that

(40:09):
arsenic poisoning would be the cause of death for both
James and Bobby. Oh wow, oh my goodness, I can't
believe that. Yeah, she in the eighties was still using
arsenic to poison people.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Whild At what point did people move from arsenic to
any freeze? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I covered an Anna Free's case. My name was Stacey
castor maybe I didn't like a New York one? Remember
maybe you covered it and I remember it from that.
I don't know. We only have one brains, and it's jumbled.
Investigation also showed that Judy had started telling acquaintances that John,

(40:47):
her most recent recent fiancee, had a terminal illness, and
she was telling people that as early as November of
nineteen eighty two. Wait and what when was the car explosion?
Eighty three? I believe I didn't put any here, pretty
sure was eighty three? Why did I imagine?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
He is just like, I'm going to go out for
coffee at the diner, and then the people out there
are just like, oh my god, John, I'm so sorry
to hear about your raging cancer.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, and he's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
And it's fucking ballsy of her to be like, well,
she's trying to set it up so that when he
gets sick and die suddenly people are like, but to
just assume that nobody's going to reach out to him
or talk to him, which obviously they didn't, excuse me,
because he doesn't know that he was being poisoned, right, Okay,
So they also found that the vitamin C pills that
guy was giving John had Vitamin D, the wrong vitamin. No,

(41:37):
they had arsenic and para formaldehyde. No, I did not
look that up. I just assumed it was the same
as formal the hide. So yeah, she she was upping
her anti I guess by adding in the second coal compound.
She's just like just arsenic pre one am I.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
The use formaldehyde and at the funeral home embalming, embalming,
she's pre embalming him.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
So, like I said, they also found, you know, the
arsenic and the para formaldehyde and those capsules that Judy
was giving. But it seemed that Judy got a little
too greedy and tried to rush the process with John,
which by exploding his car, threw all of the attention
to ourself. Yes, in nineteen eighty four, just tried to
rush the process of arsenic poisoning. Well, the arsenic poisoning

(42:26):
didn't work, but we just wanted to really collect those policies.
So we're just gonna blow him up. What was she
doing with all of this money? Who the fuck knows? Like,
how do you need that much money? And the it's like,
what are you doing with that money.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
That's what I'm going Was she gambling or was she
I didn't say, ash apaholic?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Was she doing drugs? Choose your own adventure?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Was an arsenic really expensive? So she had to kill
somebody to have enough money to kill the next person.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, I'm not really sure what she was doing with it,
but she just for some reason really felt like she
needed a fuck a ton of money to late, I
mean exist, I guess. So in nineteen eighty four, you
went on trial for the murders of her son Michael,
her first husband, Jim's Goodyear, and the attempted murder of
John Gentry. So they muss ahead a pretty rock solid
case to try for all three in one trial, which way,

(43:17):
because that's not really common. Usually they split them up
just in case something right doesn't, you know, work out
like in those types of things. That well, the way
they can just charge for the next one. Yeah, and
I think she also had fraud charges as well, obviously
for the life insurance, but there really wasn't much information
on that. So during trial it came out that Judy
had discussed with several people how to murder someone simply

(43:40):
by adding arsenic to their food. So the She's like,
let me tell you, I have this great recipe. Yeah yeah, So,
like the prosecution brought in multiple witnesses saying yeah, she's
just like freely discussed on adding arsenic to the opposite
of marry Me Chicken Die. So Beverly Owens and Lodell Morris,

(44:03):
who have Judy's acquaintances, depied that Judy had also confided
in them that she murdered James. So she's not even
like keeping her fucking mouth shut. Apparently she's what are
they doing keeping their mouths shut? I know I was
saying that too, like ma'am, that's her first husband. She's
still two more people, all right. So it also came
out that between James and Michael, Judy had collected almost

(44:23):
a quarter of a million dollars, which in tedious money
is closer to eight hundred thousand dollars. That's just from
those two. That's not including what she collected from her
common law husband, and that's not to mention the half
a million she would have also collected for John's policies
had she succeeded at murdering him. So Judy was found
guilty of the attempted murder of John gentry and sentenced

(44:46):
to just twelve years in prison. I just want to
go on a quick side, don't hear. It drives me
insane that just because somebody didn't succeeded murder, that they
get such a lesser sentence, right, Like their intent was there,
they were trying did they just sucked at it and
ya succeed We've talked about that. I yeah, like she
tried to poison him first and then blew up his car, right, Yeah,

(45:08):
they just go send in time out for a little
bit and then like you can go back to regular life.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
After she only got convicted of his or Okay, or
these are all separate because they're all in different places.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
So these the three that she was tried for were
all in Florida. So that's the attempted murder of John,
the murderer of Michael, and the murder of James. So
the first husband and son and the current fiance. Okay,
So she got twelve years for the attempted murder for John. Okay.
She was also found guilty of murdering her paraplegic son, Michael,
and for that she was sentenced to life in prison.

(45:41):
And then Judy was also found guilty of murdering her
first husband, James, and she was given the death sentence
for his murder. Why for his and not the paraplegic son.
I have no clue, but she was. So she was
given to say, must have had the most evidence or
some probably yes, Yeah, so she twelve plus life plus
death or I wonder if they just did slightly different

(46:03):
charges on all of them that way, Oh maybe if
something fell through then and then they all went through,
so she got all of yeah, yes, because they had
a ton of evidence against herm So Judy was presumed
to be responsible for the death of Bobby, as we said,
but the Colorado authorities decided not to press charges since
she had already been sentenced to death in Florida, which

(46:25):
I knowd like, don't waste more taxpayer dollars. Just feel
like she's already on multiple different charges, going to be
in prison for the rest of forever. Yeah. So, Judy
was also suspected of two other deaths, one being in
Alabama in nineteen seventy four, as as well as well
as a suspicious death of one of her boyfriends in

(46:46):
nineteen eighty who was the There was no information on
those two. They were literally just like a blurb in
each like at the end and each article that I saw. Oh,
Judy of course still denied any wrongdoing, even after the
hefty amount of evidence that was presented in Core and
the Russell Edgar, the Pensacola prosecutor, said this of Judy,

(47:07):
Judy's like a black widow. She feeds off her mates
and her young not like a black widow. That's what
she she is. Literally, she's like the textbook Sarah case
black widow. Yes, honestly it is so. Judy of course viral. Nope.
Judy of course filed several appeals but to no avail,
and on March thirtieth, nineteen ninety eight, at the age

(47:31):
of fifty four, Judy became the first woman executed in
Florida since eighteen forty eight. Whoa so late? A really
long time? Women can make history too, I think something
all hashtag equal rates. I think one of the articles
also mentioned that she was the first woman exceeded in
the United States or the United States since, like I

(47:52):
wish I put it in here, it was like another
like it had been a long time since another woman
had been executed, so her Judy's last was steamed broccoli, asparagus, strawberries,
and hot tea. Like, ma'am, I'm judging her horror. I mean,
I like all of the things listed, but that would
not be like if I had to choose one last meal,

(48:15):
it would not be you think she was like, guess
what happens when you die? You pee your pants. Guess
what I'm gonna do? Make it stay over hot tea
to wash it down. Yeah, that's a very wild and
steamed broccoli. Like, now you have to like, I love broccoli,
but I don't like the smell. I started making a
face when you said broccoli. You hadn't even gotten to

(48:35):
a spiracy. I like broccoli, but like I made broccoli
here yesterday, I feel like I still smell it. Why
I'm judging. Yeah, I'm judging Judy for a lot. I mean,
for a lot of things, but for that choice, I
feel like my last meal would be like pizza, mashed potatoes,
hot chicken wings, extra crispy. I'm not a huge chicken
wing fan. I don't get like you have to fight

(48:58):
for such a little so good and it's messy and
it gets on you and then you're it's delicious. I
can't do it. I can do it A sensory yeah,
that would definitely be mine. Fucking good hot chicken wings whatever. Okay,
So at seven am, Judy was taken to the electric chair,
and after being asked if she had any last words,
Judy simply replied with no, sir. And by seven thirteen,

(49:21):
Judy had been executed. And that is the case of
another black widow who, in my opinion, is I's it
even worse than some of the other ones I covered,
But like what she did to her son, it's terrible,
like for in like for why one article did say
that she resented her son because she had him out

(49:41):
of wedlock, But that doesn't make sense because she like
almost immediately married a new man who adopted him and
adopted him and like took him in as his own.
So like nobody's going to know that, like he took
his last name, and it's not your kid's fault that
you tripped and fell and got pregnant exactly. So whether
that's actually true, why she if she, I think it's

(50:02):
probably just that she was like I'm on his like
I'm his beneficiary for that or whatever, and I'm not
gonna see a man chance star he's gonna go off
to horn die anyway. I'll just write, could you imagine
being the other two children who like survived her, because
they had to have been obviously younger, but if they
were like only Michael was only n eighteen when he died.
When all this came out, they were like, yeah, I

(50:23):
can see that, yeah, because I can't imagine she was
pleasant a caring mother, right, I don't know, terrible, that's like,
I don't know. It just it's frustrating me because just
because you had a shitty childhood doesn't mean you need
to grow up and be a shitty person. I agree,
like shit happens, but then you dictate what happens the
rest of your life, And like, deciding to murder your

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husband's and child is fucking insanity ant Hill, that's my take.
But yeah, my take is don't get life insurance. Yeah,
just don't ever do it. When we did, after we
moved to New York, we did take all policies, and
I'm like, this is I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die.
This is no rational reason to think that or say that.

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But and I just I never had a live enturance
policy prior to that, so I'm like, this is it.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Now, I'm worth some money. Now you're being slowly poisoned
by arsenic by our largest fan.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
He went never he might now yelling our largest fans, Jesus.
So my sources were a US Courts dot gov, like
Middle District of Florida website, theinvestigation Discovery dot com had
an article by Aaron res Muston. Obviously there was a Wikipedia.
There wasn't all That's interesting by Marco Margarita, and then

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there were two medium articles, one by Chelsea Queen and
one by Tina Reynolds and then obviously levelingd Clinic for
helping me out with my arsenic definitions. That was it's
so interesting to me that all of these black widow
cases that you cover are the same but also so different.

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I know, like when I was going through it, I'm like, Okay,
this is gonna be like the run of the mill
black widow, and then I got to a fucking car explosion.
I'm like, did Like I checked multiple articles because I'm like,
did this one article just suck it up? And how
did she know how to do that?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
I don't know where did she get that knowledge from?
Because I don't know how to blow.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Up a car, I would have to look it up,
and you don't have Google in the eighties, right, That's
what I'm saying. She had a library card. It's true.
One article called it fire bombing, one article called it
in a car explosion. So like, whichever way she set
something up in it to expects a wild Yeah, but
he survived, which is also fucking wild. Not only did
he serve arsenic poisoning from her, he also survived trying

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to be blown up. John is a tough man. I
guess so was wallpaper businessman.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Really, it's from all the fumes from putting up all
the wallpaper. It really strengthened his immune system. They did
his bones the wallpaper and the eighties and nine. Oh
my god, completely off topic. I don't because I just
said bone, and that's what just remind me of this.
I on my tichdok, I don't know if you are
on this. On my FYP is full of people just

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going up to their parents or significant others or even
people at work, you know, videotaping them so they're behind
the camera and they're like, oh my god, I'm so hungry.
And then they're like, I'm so it's not just chetish
like old boyfriends, random people from their facebooks or whatever.
I'm so hungry I could eat so and so or whatever,
like somebody that they should.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Have never heard of.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I laugh at every single one of them. And one
of them was like, oh hey, babe, I'm so hungry.
I could eat Greg so and so or whatever. And
the guy snaps his head over and he's like, what
did you just say? And then she says it again
and he's like, I had a friend name that and
he died drowning in the Spokane River.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
What are you talking about? You could eat whatever, it
would just be he would just be bones. You'd have
to have bone soup. And he kept saying bone soup
over and over again.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
It like will come up because people like repost it,
and every time in the comments are like, I think
your boyfriend had something to do with Greg drowning, like
the way that he kept saying bone soup was no.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
The ones that keep popping up in mine are the
like they've gotten through their significant other's phone and saw
all the girls they were liking on Instagram or dming
or those. So I've seen a couple that are like
saying the names of who their significant others, like cheating
with or whatever. Most of mine are like teenagers going

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up to their parents and saying like an ex their
ex boyfriend or ex girlfriend from high school or their
first you know, wife or whatever, and every single time
the parents just like snaps their head over and they're like,
what did you just say?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
And it's like you see all of like the trauma
from their first high school boyfriend, like coming back or whatever.
But I laugh every time because they were like why
would you say that?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Like how'd you know that name? It is a very
weird trend. It's a weird trend, but like it is. Yeah,
I've I've enjoyed the few that I've seen, but like
I said, mine are mostly like the ones that are
like girlfriends catching their voice. I'm not minor funnier than that.
I'm on trauma TikTok. Apparently I'm on that in dogs
jumping into pools and doing silly things. I think my
FYP is like here you need to laugh. Yeah, mine,

(55:14):
this is what I struggle with is I'll get onto
the like if you stay for sixty seconds, then you
can help me pay for my vet bill. And then
you're just trapped in that sad loop. I am, but
I can't not watch because I want to help with
their vet Bill Man talk. Okay, that was That was
Judy on Amna Mana. Judy has to Maniana. Yeah, and

(55:36):
she was another black widow. So you can find us
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Speaker 2 (55:48):
And we have things on YouTube. Oh yeah, there are
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Speaker 1 (55:54):
Don't look at them, so listen to the just listen
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Speaker 2 (55:59):
And on TikTok, I think I've posted a couple of
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