74. Evelyn Nesbit

In this weeks episode Sarah tells us about the life of Evelyn Nesbit and the horror's of being in the spotlight at young age. 


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, I'm t Lisa and I'm Sarah. Welcome to the
Shit Show, a half ass true grand podcast. Immediately hit record,
Immediately everything falls apart my headphones. They're gonna last like
two seconds a day. I can already feel it. Yeah, yeah,
we are like always every episode starts with just dam
just taking I'm just I'm just gonna go ahead. This

(00:25):
is lutch. This will be the one time the audio
gets fucked. You know, it'll be easy, well, the one time,
like we've never had to deal with that. The beast
never been a problem. Yes, how how is your week?
It was fine? Where to start? Okay, So this is
gonna be super old news by the time this comes out.
But over the last week they were trying to find
a new pope. Me knowing not much about that process.

(00:48):
I know they're smoke involved, yes, not really sure, I
don't and I don't care. Yes, but it's on the
news and they're like showing the chimney with the smoke
and all of that, and Riley goes, She's like, look
like listening to you know, trying to follow what's going on,
and she goes for the smoke is that from the pope?
And I was like, what do you mean? And she

(01:09):
goes like, like, do they cremate the pope and then
when the smoke runs out they have to have a
new pope. And I was like, oh, I'm like, there,
I know that's not smoke from the pope. That's I
think the smoke color changes when they find a pope.
But I can see, yeah, I mean the logic. And

(01:29):
I also had questions because I play the nose every
morning while we're getting ready in the morning and stuff,
and he also had questions about the smoke. And I'm like,
I'm not Catholic. I don't know that this is technically
like our fourth pope since we've been alive, so we
should maybe I know, I know enough to say the
smoke is part of the voting process or something. And

(01:50):
the color changes, which also and then when I said
was a vote, When I said the color changes, the
first thing that like that she went to was you
know the little packets of stuff that you can put
in camp fire and like sizzles and makes a change
short every weekend. Yeah, And she's like asked, if these
go I doubt it, but honestly that would be ideal. Yeah.
I'm like, if we were to make it more fun,

(02:10):
that's what we would do. Maybe the kids would be
more involved. And if we cremated the pope and then sparkly,
that's going to put me on the list saying I'm
going to cremate the pope. I'm not going to cremate
the hope. The logic is there, like just random smoke.
One pope died, we have to come up with another
one pretty quick, like yeah, and apparently the timeline is
how long is it take to cremate a pope? I
mean honestly, so we're not dragging it out, we might

(02:31):
as well like put that hard time element on it. Hey,
Riley's a planner. Yeah, what else? Then I went to
work at one of the office drab I have, and
it was raining, shitty ow and whatever. I turn on
to the road that the office is on and there
are two pipples just like running and I was like, oh,
that's cause for a phone call to someone, right for sure.

(02:56):
And then I get to like I park and I
have to go around in a weird way because they're
scaffolding on the building as a hole. She was wet
and in the grass whatever. I turn around and those
dogs were like bee lining it to me and I
was like, I hope these are friendly dogs, hell of
a way to go. If not, I think I could

(03:17):
turn them. I think I can fix this one right.
But they're very friendly. And I like opened the door
of the office and the owner and the office leap. No, yeah,
she was there. They're both right by the door, and
I go, hey, there are two dogs out here. Are
you just missing dogs? Knowing they're not missing dogs? And
they're like no, what And then one of the guys
from the shop comes out and he goes out and

(03:38):
they're like jumping up at him, like jumping up at
the door and like looking in the window. The owner
was like, I don't want them in the office. It's
like you don't want two muddy wet dogs in the office.
That's shocking. But they were like not staying, like the
guy's like petting one. But then it like takes off.
It's all weird and skitdish. Yeah. So the owner like
we got a call whoever. And I was like, let
them in the shop. I'll take them home. Let them

(03:59):
in the shop. I will take them home. I will
take these dogs home. Like what I need is two
more absolutely right now? And I guess that our one
life is definitely I texted Sarah and she was like,
full send take them. I was in good mood that day,
full son, just take them. They were very cute and
very friendly, and I hope that they found their way
home because obviously someone loved them whereas and they were

(04:21):
just like mud puddles living their best. This is the
best day ever. So that was my week. Connor had
his first whole week back in school. It went really,
really well. He's really enjoying. I asked Lisa when I
should stop going out and waiting for the school bus,
like in the afternoon when he Connor comes home, and

(04:42):
she responded with kindergarten. And I'm like, okay, well because
I have just I don't know, I've always just gone
out and waited for the bus. So he was excited
to see me when he gets off the bus. So
that following day, after I'd asked you, I didn't go outside,
and Connor didn't say anything. You know, he came in
the house, answered all of the annoying questions that moms
have when you your kid comes home from school. And

(05:03):
then like later that evening, we were sitting on the
couch talking, just hanging out and he's like, Mom, why
weren't you waiting for me today? You're like, because I
took advice that told me not to. I took advice
from someone who's not a helicopter mom. That's why I did.
I did TEXTUALLYAI, I'm like asking for a friend, how
long should a helicopter mom go out to the bus?
So like, but like before i'd asked, or like his

(05:26):
first couple of days, I just kind of like I
was in the garage, but I didn't want to be
like out where all of the other middle and high
school kids can see him coming home to mommy right,
So like I but then he asked in that one
day I didn't go out and then he asked me,
and I'm like, okay. I'm like, do you want me
to be out there? And he's like, yeah, I like
to see like when you when I get home. And
I'm like, okay, stab me in the heart a little bit.

(05:47):
Oh my god, sorry I gave you bad advice. My
kids don't give a shit very much. I mean, they
know that I'm there and they're taken care of, and
that like I don't need to be in the driveway.
That's never been a thing that No. I mean, I
could go to the end of the right obviously, like
I'll stand at the story of the garage and wait
for him, and then he usually runs up to me
and chucks his bag at me and runs at the
house like, you know what I really missed throwing my stuff.

(06:09):
It basically it's I must physically unloading my backpack and
jackets on yell, so that's there was no one to take,
Like I had to carry my own backpack all the
way into the house that after ten feet. Yeah, so
that was that. But I don't know, it's fine overall.
It was it's been. It's been really, honestly one of
the most easiest transitions back into school that he's ever had,

(06:29):
because you know, with this Trettes and everything like transitions
and are just they're the fucking devil that comes to that.
So it's been really great and good. I'm really not
to be too optimist. I don't for you guys, I
was you know, it was a tough decision for yeah,
you know, which way to go with him going back
to school and stuff. So I'm really glad that that

(06:50):
place him too. I hope it continues, He also the
first day he came home me, he's like, their math
is like super easy, and he's like they're doing dramaty
and so it's like super easy, and I'm like, geometry easy.
Get the fuck out of my house. I don't know
who you are. I'm like, so that's why you stopped
waiting for him? Yeah, because he made he can do
geometry and I can't. Yeah. No, I just I need
him to come in and help me with all of

(07:11):
the projects that I don't know how to do the
math for. Yeah. But yeah, I think it was just
I had a like I had weird brain bog all
week because, like I just it was weird getting back
into like a normal routine. So what you're saying is
the one that struggled with the transition, was you? Yeah,
well we all have speculated that am I also be

(07:31):
on the spectruism? But yeah, no, it was not an
easy transition for me, like a panicky not like that
I have to do this, Okay, they have to do
what make sure that it's still recording? Oh yeah, that's
the other change. Sarah's recording on her computer this week.
So fingers crossed it. We're we'll see before you jump
into your case, real real, very very quickly. I all

(07:51):
of a sudden, I'm having a stroke. I know. Last
week I did Lizzie Boredom and I said Andrew Borden
was murdered on like a Chase Lounge looking cat couch.
I didn't look at the picture at all really while researching,
because I have it in my brain, right, Yeah, you
have that, Yeah, you have that. So the image of
my brain is a Chase lounge. For whatever. Doing the

(08:12):
editing and blah blah blah, you have to make like
the graphic, and I'm yeah, it's just a regular fucking couch.
That's my maybe because like interrection it like cuts off
the other part maybe, but like in the back is
like fancy looking, yeah and whatever, and it's just a
regular shaped couch And I just made it fancier and
Victorian in my head. But that's how I picture it
in my head. It's like it's the Chase and then

(08:34):
like he's on the look like the side of it. Yeah, yeah,
well he is. It's just it's just a regular couch,
that's all. So just a correction for that, not that
I think anyone's gonna be upset about it. They're such
a terrible podcast they couldn't even get a couch, right, guice.
The second half of the name of the show is
half assed, yes so, and the first part of it

(08:55):
is shit show. So if you can't figure that out,
then that's not on us. And I try. And I'm
willing to say like I miss spoke, I miss remembered,
but I fully we both did, because I fully like
when you were saying it, like I have that vague
image in my head. Right, but if he does have
that code under his head, which I think she wore, yeah,

(09:15):
she's didn't do it whatever. All right. This week, also,
we're going to see how this goes. Normally, I have
my computer on dark mode, so like it's black with
white writing or typing. Okay, this I switched it so
it's white with black. So we're going to see if
I maybe don't fuck up fuite as much. We're just

(09:36):
gonna pretend like that's going to fix all of my problems.
All right. This week, I am going to tell you
about Evelyn Nesbitt. We ever heard that name. I don't
think it sounds that's an old timy name. I'm surprised.
I don't know how I've never come across this peace
it's already starting this case prior. Did you make sure
you didn't already cover it before? Nope? Okay, And none
of it sounded familiar when I was typing up and

(09:58):
looking for it. But I I'm always so paranoid about
that or like if I don't say something to you,
like we're gonna end up doing the same case, even
though like we don't normally do the same types of cases, right,
it's just a weird paranoid in the back of my head.
I'm totally normal. Well, one time, one time that kind
of happened, remember no twice, because one time I covered

(10:19):
a case that you called DIBs on and I didn't
think that it was the same case. And then the
other time it was like a Halloween one. I had
a case like halfway written up and then for like
the next week or for the quickie or something, and
then that was the case that you covered that week,
and I was like, ah, I guess yeah. So normally
I do try to just be like yeah, just so
you know, because then it kind of eases some of

(10:40):
my crazy. I did not do that this week and
just prayed the oh, I didn't know what it was.
I don't know what it is. I didn't do any
research this week for my next episode. It'll be totally fun.
I have a week, all right, So let's jump right in.
So Florence Evelyn Nesbit was born December twenty fifth, eighteen

(11:01):
eighty four, in Tarentum, Pennsylvania, just outside of Pittsburgh. I
didn't look up to see whether I said that right,
So just here's your it sounded weekly disclaimer of I
don't know how to say words. Get over it, Okay.
So she was born Christmas Day, which I feel like
would suck having to share your birthday with Jesus. But nonetheless,

(11:21):
nonetheless I agree that would suck. I think anywhere close
to Christmas. But yeah, I have a friend whose birthday
is on Valentine's Day, and I feel bad for her
every Valentine's Day because, like everybody else is already celebrating
other things on her birthday, right, it's just another one
of those like it's more like people are celebrating other
things on your birthday, so it's not really about celebrating
you AnyWho. So Evelyn, which is what she went by

(11:44):
first name, was Florence, but she went by Evelyn, which
Evel at the time. I agree, Evelyn is much cuter,
also weird. Random note, while I was typing up this case,
my neighbor across the street named Evelyn called me, and
I'm like, this is fucking weird. Like I was literally
typing this case and the and like, what kind of
weird shit's going on here? But no, she just got
my mail and wanted me to come get it. Okay.

(12:06):
So Evelyn was the daughter of an attorney and a
housewife who had no names because Old Timey did not
see them anywhere throughout this whole case. They're just going
to be nameless, Okay, all right. So Evelyn had one
younger brother named Howard, who was born Seal. Actually I
don't know why I put she he was born several
years after her, because I think he's only two years

(12:27):
younger than her. So okay, give her take again, old Timey.
I think mom and dad are Howard and Florence senior.
They very much could be, and that's why she went
by Evelyn. Do you think the dad being an attorney
like they would have named him, but no, never, Hey,
I don't know. Okay, So early on. In her childhood,
Evelyn grew a love for books, music, dancing, you know,

(12:47):
lessons for that stuff. Did you see what you're She
was born and I guess I'm listening teen eighty four.
Oh Sadly, when Evelyn was just eight or ten years old,
depending on which article you would like to go with,
they all fluctuate. Like within two years, Evelyn's father died
againnme circumstances because old timey tuberculosis whatever, yeah, whatever, hyoid, hyphoid,
whatever weird illness that I've covered, Okay. After her father passed, Evelyn,

(13:14):
her mother, and little brother were left with no income,
so her mother moved them to Pittsburgh in search of work,
but being that her mother had always been a homemaker,
she ran into trouble finding steady employment to support herself
and her two children. Her mother would often move the
little family from place to place, trying to avoid paying rent,
so like, she'd move into one place, not be able

(13:34):
to make rent, move into another place, not be able
to make rent. So they were, you know, they were
really struggling. Her family eventually ended up in Philadelphia, where Evelyn,
who was either thirteen fourteen at the time, and her
mother and her younger brother, Howard, who was twelve at
the time, all found work at the Wannamaker's department store.
That was until one day, while at work, one of

(13:55):
Evelyn's customers, who turned out to be a female artist,
was so struck by Evelyn's charm and beauty that she
asked Evelyn to pose for her. Okay, that's like the
og guy at the mall being like, you could be
a model, let me take your picture, but it was
a lady this time. Yeah, he's like, super pretty, can
I paint you? Which is creepy, but that's how it was.
That's not creepy, but that's so we're okay. So this

(14:17):
artist really capture again no names, why, very fucking bothersome
for me, I'm surprised you did this, King, I was
too deep and it was it was, it was a lot.
So this artist really captured Evelyn's dark hair and eyes
and beautiful facial structure. And it didn't take long for
other photographers and artists who also take notice of Evelyn
as well, asking that she also posed for them. So

(14:39):
after this first artist had painted the picture of Evelyn,
obviously other people saw it and they're like, oh my God,
I also want her to pose slush model for me
or for my store or whatever. So I'm pretty quickly.
So it's four stores, like advertising in stores? Is that
she I'll get into it. It started out just like

(14:59):
she was posing for like artists who painted and for whatever.
I don't know how that works. All I can picture
is like in the movies where they have the naked
person awkwardly sitting in the middle of the room. Was
she naked? No, but that's all I can picture when
I think about like from the movie, you know, in
the movies. Yeah, well, the only thing that I think is, like,
paint me like one of your French girls. Yes, Titanic

(15:20):
also naked. But no, I do not believe at this
time that she was naked because again, choose a child's
trigger warning, it's gonna get gross. I was scared of that. Yeah, great,
I should have said at the top. So just just
be warned. People do take advantage of her as a child. Okay,
So before she knew it, Evelyn was making more money
modeling than she was at the Wannamakers store, and Evelyn

(15:43):
would eventually become the family's only provider. So Avelyne's astounding
beauty helped her establish a prospective career in modeling, and
in her memoir or one of her memoirs, Evelyn wrote, quote,
the work was fairly light, The poses were not particularly difficult.
In the main they wanted me for my head. I
never posed for the figure in the sense that I

(16:04):
had posed for the nude. I was a quote, Oh
it still goes. That's why it steps. I broke it
up thinking, oh, this will make it easier. It's basically
like thing they wanted. Yes, it's not like shoulders up.
I never posed in the nude. Correct, Because again, well
at this point, obviously she's an adult talking about what
she had done. So the quote continues on with sometimes

(16:27):
I would be painted as a little Eastern girl and
a costume of a Turkish woman, all vivid colors, the
ropes and bengals, all jade about my neck and arms.
So it seemed like she did like her early modeling.
She did kind of speak fondly of it. She you know,
she was providing for her family, and she, you know,
she was enjoying us like every fourteen year old girl's dream, right,

(16:49):
Like you want to be the center of attention and
you're constantly being told, hout beautifully are, which you know
that's every kid wants to feel pretty. I still want
to feel pretty. That's my Seventeenine was so popular when
we were exactly majors. So with the income Evelyn was
now making, Evelyn's mother moved them to New York and
hopes that Evelyn could be further exposed in her modeling opportunities.

(17:12):
He moved to New York seemed to work out perfectly
in Evelyn's favor. Favor why did I add? Why did
I add? Sounds at the end of that as theatrical
managers were knocking at their door in hopes of signing
Evelyn to be in their show. So like, at this point,
she's obviously had garnered a lot of attention being a
model and everything, and again being young and pretty, and

(17:33):
she can sing a dance like everybody's like, I will
real package right put her on my stage. Evelyn was
now one of the most sought after after slush models
of the decade, posing for artists like James Carroll beckw
with Frederick Church and Charles Dana Gibbet Gibson. Gibson inspired
the Gibson Girl ideal of feminine beauty with a series

(17:53):
of popular pen and ink illustrations. Did I look up
what the Gibson Girls was I did not. I meant to.
I think it's just like it's certain like how they
posed in a style. So Evelyn appeared on numerous magazine covers,
including Vanity Fair, as well as advertisements for anything from
face scream to tobacco. She was on penny postcards and
even tourist souvenirs. So, like I said, she blew up.

(18:16):
When she got to New York. She was, you know,
extremely popular just based off her looks, and even though
she was still at such a young age, a woman
wanted to be like her, and men wanted to have
her as their own. I know you can't see my
frown over the audio, but I'm frowning, yeah, because again
she's maybe fourteen at this point, and everybody is just

(18:39):
fawning over her. I do not approve of that. I agree.
Evelyn started to grow bored of the long hours of posing,
so she talked her mom into letting her go into
show business, which, like I said, before, you know, was
singing and dancing. There were theatrical managers trying to get her,
so her mom finally agreed to let her go into
that line of work as well, and on November twelfth,

(19:02):
nineteen hundred, at the age of fourteen or fifteen, depending
on which article, Evelyn's Day debuted her show business career,
playing a part in the sceneing choir for a eventually
famous show called Laura or Adorra. Sorry, it's the red
line under it's really messing with me, and apparently switching
this to white is not helping me. Everything is running together.

(19:25):
And this was at the Casino Theater. So Evelyn even
took singing and dancing lessons to help for her career.
So I said it was eventually famous because when the
show first came out, it was a complete flop and
they had to do some heavy revisions. But when the
Floridora Show came back out, it did become one of
the most famous ones on early Broadway. Okay, it was

(19:47):
only second in musicals that had been performed more than
five hundred times according to one of the articles that
I read, which seems like a fuck to attest a lot.
Not long after her performance in the show, Evelyn's a
a one year contract as a feature player in another
show called The wild Rose. It was during Avlyn's performance
as a choir girl that she had caught the attention

(20:10):
of Stanford White, who was forty eight at the time.
I do not like. I don't like where that's going. Yeah,
and I don't like those names Stanford. Yeah. I don't
know why I don't either. He just sounds like a predator, right.
It's because he is no offense to anybody out there
who might have that name. This one from the early

(20:30):
nineteen hundred sounds like a predator, right, yeah, Because again,
she is like maybe sixteen at this point, so he's
when I say forty eight, she's sixteen. He saw her
on stage. Yeah, yeah, Okay. So Stanford was a nationally
renowned architect from the firm McKim mead and White. I
almost when you said nationally renowned, I almost just said pedophile.

(20:52):
I mean, yes, okay, that word also does apply. So
they were at the forefront of the Boza Arts architectural movement.
I just had to look up how to pronounce that,
because it's not spelled the way it sounds, and I'm
pretty sure I'm probably still saying it wrong. But some
of Samford's greatest works included the Second Madison Square Garden,

(21:15):
the Tiffany and Company Building, and the Washington Square arch
So like when I say nationally renowned like he was, actually,
didn't you do a different another architect one time? I did?
What is what is going on with these architects? I
don't know? It's actually the last architect? It wasn't It
was like the love shack or something. Yeah, there was,

(21:36):
I don't remember, like a love triangle. Yeah, I think so,
but I wasn't at the wife that she did though,
I don't remember. I don't remember. That was way too
long ago. I remember. You should be very proud of
me that I remember. You covered another case with an architect, Yes,
and a love triangle, and I could picture the house. Yeah, same, Yeah,
I can't think of his name right now. No, it's fine.
You can go find it another time somewhere else. Just

(21:57):
look up the shit show love triangle, which is a
weird thing to go. There might be quite a few.
Could I cover lots of blood strangles? But either way,
as you can imagine, Hamford was quite the wealthy man
being Yeah, that sounds like a world renown architect. He
was also a very married man. Oh okay, again taking
interest in a sixteen year old. Two thumbs down, all

(22:20):
of the thumbs down, I only have two. So Stanford
went to his wife, Bessie Springs Smith in eighteen eighty four,
and they had a son together in eighteen eighty seven,
named Laurence Grant White. One article said that Stanford's interest
included rare and costly things, as well as having encounters
with young beautiful women. Right, you know what, I'm just

(22:41):
gonna go home. Listen, I orange, I don't have anything
at all to contribute to this conversation. It's gonna get worse. Great. Also, like,
why are we writing about this as if it's a
totally normal thing that it was happening and not. Never mind,
it's because it wasn't really looked down upon it should
have societally. Then is it looked down upon that much? Now?

(23:04):
I mean clearly not. So I was a teenager dating
a twenty five year old at one point in my life. No,
it's very clearly not. I'm on a comfy same okay.
So Evelyn, being one of those young, very young beautiful women,
gave and to Stanford's charms and gifts and promises because
again Remer, she was kind of pushed into this modeling

(23:26):
career at a very young age because her father died
and she wanted to help support her family. I keep
thinking of the Reba mcintarar song fancy, Yes, but it's not.
But it's the same thing, But it's kind of the same.
Kind be kind to the men and they'll be kind
to you. That's yes, maybe this is who Rebe wrote
the song about. Obviously not that's I'm just kidding. I
know that's done through clearly different. So Evelyn thought Stanford

(23:50):
was kind, clever and safe because that's how grooming works
back in that timeframe. It was just he was being
kind and totally not trying to take advantage of her.
It is like not to rank bad people. That's like
one of the worst though, Like, yeah, the trickery like
to trick you. And right, because you are clearly missing

(24:12):
a father figure in your life, right, your mother was struggling.
You ended up happening into this career path at a
very young age to support and you know, then you
end up being the sole provider for your family. That's
a little pressure for a kid alone. And then just
the fact that she was, you know, a gorgeous young girl.
Then you have all of the eyes coming in and
wanting a piece of that. And that's why did you

(24:34):
say it like that, because that's exactly what they're doing.
You're they're slowly taking parts away from this girl. Okay,
emotionally as where I was going with that, but obviously
it goes both ways. So Evelin the Child would go
on to become his mistress, which again not sure how
she's a mistress as a child, but that's how they

(24:54):
labeled her. Okay, when I picked this case, I did
not realize it was going to have all of the
disgusting age, gaps and gross men that it does. Takes
a lot, You're quite well good, it's a lot. Anyhow,
Evelyn the Child often visited Stanford at his multi story
apartment on twenty fourth Street in Manhattan. There was, of course,

(25:17):
lots of exotic and luxurious furnitures like rugs made of
bare pelts and a forest green room with a red
velvet swing hanging in it from the ceiling. And I
think it said that they were like pay for paracels
hanging as well, like I have heard the story before.
Possibly sometimes there's a movie. There was a movie that

(25:38):
they ended up making used on her story and it
was I'll get to the title of it later on. Sorry,
that's just like when you said that clicked like I
heard this, I see. I felt like once I got
to that cartoon, like have I seen these pictures? More?
Like that sounds familiar, like what is this? But yeah,
they did go on to make a movie about her life.
When Evelyn and a friend Atna visited the twenty fourth

(26:01):
Street apartment, Stanford pushed Evelyn on the red belted swing.
It was an innocent encounter at that point in time
by all accounts, not by my account, but things when
stay so innocent, which I'm sure you've already already I get. Yeah,
from all of the stuff I've just I just with
my brain put it together. I don't know why I
did a weird segue here. So Stanford didn't stop, but

(26:22):
just trying to trying to gain Evelyn's you know, favor
and trust. She or he also went on to gain
the trust of her mother, you'd have to her mother's
approval by providing accommodations at a luxury hotel, and even
offered to get Evelyn's younger brother, Howard, into a prestigious
private school. So of course mom's going to be like,
oh my god, thank god, extremely wealthy, nice architect is

(26:46):
looking after my family. And here's so much in front
of guy's wife, right right, But listen, he's a fatherly figure.
He's stepping in to provide that for both Evelyn and
her young brother and to you know, make sure that
her mother's well taken care of in a nice cab
or a nice Cavin hotel. I don't know, I said, Kavin.

(27:07):
It's my dream to be sent off to cabin. Stanford
also somehow convinced Evelin's mother into visiting family and friends
in Pennsylvania, and he would use this opportunity to take
advantage of Evelyn. So he's like, hey, she's got work
to do. She can stay here with me. You go
off and visit friends of family. It'll be gone. We
can visit friends and family when she doesn't have work.

(27:29):
Right With Evelyn's mother out of the picture, Stanford invited
Evelyn over for a quote party, but when she arrived,
it turns out that she was the only guest invited.
Stanford served Evelyn champagne until she passed out. When you're
calling what happened that day? Evelyn said, quote he gave
me champagne, which was bitter and funny tasting, and I
didn't care for it much. She went on to say, quote,

(27:50):
when I woke up, all of my clothes were pulled
off of me. I'm just gonna frown for the rest
of this episode. So this man clearly raped her after
getting her heavily intoxicated, and then he goes on to
claim her as his mistress for the next year. Which
that's something that happened to Stanford. Possibly, yes, something God

(28:11):
does end up happening. Okay, let's get to that part.
Hold on thereself a lot more so. Being the young,
beautiful model slash actress that she was, Evelyn of course
drew the attention of many more men. Like it wasn't
just Stanford that was going after this child model actress. Child.
Everything we say child, I just brown because it's fucking

(28:31):
likes gross. Where is your mother? Why is your mother
letting money be Also of the time, though women listen
to men, not anymore. Obviously all of these men were
older than Evelyn. Clearly at the time that we're trying
to well, no other no sixteen year old boy's going
to have enough money and whatever to even give his
foot in the door there. So one prospective suitor was

(28:53):
a wealthy railroad error named Harry Kendall Tho. One article
called Harry somewhat unhinged and quote possessive and jealous of
his conquest. Harry became obsessed with Evelyn after seeing her
in The wild Rose. So it was one of the
plays or shows that she was out, attending close to
forty performances over the next year. So like, send him

(29:17):
to jail, right, Sure, you're being obsessed with the child.
So that's he had four gross So Evelyn began receiving
anonymous gifts from an unknown sender in nineteen oh two,
but Harry would later confirm that he was a sender.
While at a party attempting to like court Evelyn, he
sent her anything from flowers to a piano. So like

(29:39):
it's not like, hey, here's some pretty flowers and chocolates
I'm thinking about you. It's like a whole ass fucking piano. Yep, Like, sir,
she lives in a fancy hotel where she plays. You
know what, every six year old girl needs a piano. Actually,
I wonder if she'd be I was gonna say, did
she play piano. I don't know. I never saw any
mentioned of playing any instruments, just that she would see
decorate your room with them. Yeah. So around the same time,

(30:03):
Evelyn also became good friends with John Barrymore. John was
a famous actor known as the Great profile is he
Drew Barrymore's great great labad Fine, I do have to
look that one up because I meant too. So yes,
he is part of that family. Okay. His dad was
also named John Barrymore and was also an acting so

(30:24):
I don't know which ones, but I don't know which
John's which, But yes, he was related to Drew Barrymore. Okay,
I was just joking. I well, I thought the same,
and I meant to look it up, but I did not.
So John was also a skeazy man with an Inclinaian
for beautiful, extremely young girls. He was closer in age
to Evelyn, but he was still older than her because

(30:45):
he was twenty one and she was sixteen ish at
the time. Now still gross, not as gross as forty
year olds. It's actually it's all just I agree, it's
just there's also just you can we just leave children alone? Please?
So Stanford obviously didn't care for all of the attention
Evelyn was garnering from other men. So he sent Evelyn

(31:06):
to the the male school for girls in New Jersey
when she was seventeen. How did why was he allowed
to do that? Well, I'm sure he told mom, like,
this will be great for her. She's you know, she
needs to be in school. She's a kid that I
haven't been taking advantage of for the past year. I'm
not sending her here because all of these other men
also went to speak with her. No, this is for

(31:29):
the best, to keep her awake from the men. Okay. Sadly,
a few months later, Evelyn had to be hospitalized with appendicitis,
and Harry the railroad error that I told you previously
told you about that was obsessed with Aaron, went to
like forty of her shows over and of course a man. Yeah,
Harry used that as an opportunity to visit Evelyn and
bring her gifts. And it was around this time that

(31:51):
Stanford's interest in Evelyn started to dwindle and Harry's intensified.
Oh god, I was just going to say, through the gross,
I mean, all of this is gross, but of all
of the gross, like she aged out for him. Probably
who the fuck knows just to say, probably because she
wasn't as abvioslutely accessible being off a New Jersey boarding

(32:11):
school versus in New York City where he was who knows,
out of sight, out of mind type thing is fucking gross. Yeah.
After Evelyn underwent an emergency appendectomy, she convinced her mother
that a trip to Europe was just what Evelyn needed
to recover from her surgery. I disagree, I know, I
literally like, I like, how can you convince like she's

(32:33):
at the fucking hospital right now having an emergency surgery
and you're gonna say, let's a boat. You gotta go
on a boat? Right Like at that point what it's
in the priorly nineteen hundreds, Yeah that you were on boats.
We're still on boat. Yeah, we for sure she needs
to go from the hospital to a boat where she
can't get the proper you know, care if she needed it.

(32:53):
But it's a wild nameless mother was like, you're absolutely right,
let's full send this. It's not like he could have
been like, hey, you know what she needs to recover, Like,
let's rent a nice fancy cabin and like take you
a couple of weeks to sit by a lake or something.
I would hate if anybody did that for me. Yeah, like,
but no, I have a ton of money because daddy's

(33:16):
in the railroad business. So let me go spend his
money and take you to Europe on stage since he
was super rich. Do you think you just had like
a way faster boat with better sales. I have no
clue how that works. I'm picturing like from the fifth self.
I'm picturing boats from like the fifteen hundreds, like the
flour which is not no. One that really neteen. I'm
picturing the Titanic or similar to that. What year is this?

(33:40):
Nineteen oh two was the last year? I said, I
think did people travel by plane in nineteen oh two? No,
people did not travel by ninety I think it's very
much we're still on like steamboats at this point in time.
The first passenger flight wasn't until night to know eight in.

(34:00):
The first commercial airline wasn't established till nineteen oh nine,
not that far down the road. But I had no
clue that's how early first commercial airline. You think about that,
you imagine being on that first flight. We'll think about
like World War one. Oh yeah, right, Like that's not
that yeah, that'ar away, But no, I wouldn't want to
be on a nineteen surprise. We just learned how to

(34:21):
put people in this s. Guy, would you like to
be at first? But you're right, it would be something
like the Titanic, right, Yeah, that's what I picture, is
like some sort of set up like that, because the
Titanic was going from over there to overhear? Yeah, and
what year did that? Nineteen fourteen or something sure or
something like that. So way before I would trust a plane.
Don't know that I trust them now seriously, all right,

(34:42):
we went on a tangentway. Okay, So while on this
trip to Europe. While on this trip, Very proposed multiple times,
never getting disaraged, even though Evelyn had turned him down
multiple times. He's like, are you loopy from the pain meds?
Would you like to mar how about now? In her memoir,

(35:03):
Evelyn said quote, he was as dogged and as persistent
as ever. There was no fending him off with excuses,
with reason, or with explanations as to why a marriage
was not desirable. I knew in an instant that now
he must know the truth, must take his answer for
good or evil. So Evelyn had finally decided to tell

(35:24):
Harry what had happened between her and Stanford. Harry was,
of course incensed, but not because Evelyn had been raped
by Stanford at sixteen. No, Harry was obsessed with the
notion of female purity. I knew you were going to
say that. So he's like, never mind, I don't want
to marry you anymore. Nope, No, he's still he still
wanted to pursue her. He was still for some reason
obsessed with her. No matter like, even though that heavily

(35:46):
upset him, He's still for some reason decided to pursue her.
While in Paris, Harry interrogated Evelyn on the matter. He
needed to know every part of what had gone on
between Evelyn and Stanford, as well as her and John
Barrymore or any other man she may have been with.
Harry and Evelyn. So I think it was somewhere around
this time. I only saw in one article, so I
didn't end up adding in here. Around that same time,

(36:09):
I think, before she had finally told Harry like what
had happened, one article mentioned that her and her mother
had gotten into a fight or something like that, and
her mom like went back to America without well her
mom went to Europe place, so her mom originally was
on the Europe trip. But then I saw a mention
of like they had gotten into the over something and

(36:30):
that mom had left and it was just she just
got the next steam boat back, I guess, And then
Harry and Evelyn continued on the trip, which is the
wrong move as a nameless mother. I'm almost glad they
didn't name her because you were not there for your child, ma'am, Like,
you don't deserve a name at this point. That might
be shitty with me, but I don't care that You're
like your one job as a parent is to protect

(36:50):
your child and not use them or let them be
taken advantage of. And like that clearly did not happen, right,
So Harry and Evelyn then continued their trip on two
Kazakhstan castle in Germany. It was here that Harry's true
colors came out. Harry loved Evelyn in her room for
over two weeks. He beat her with a whip and
sexually assaulted her over the course of those two weeks.

(37:12):
When later testifying about the assaults in Europe, Evelyn said quote,
his eyes were glaring and his hands grasped a raw
hide whip. He seized hold of me, placed his fingers
in my mouth, and tried to choke me. He then,
without the slightest provocation, inflicted on me several severe blows
with the raw hide whip, so severely that my skin

(37:33):
was cut and bruised. So we've taken her on this
European trip away from any support or family. We've now
figured out why she kept refusing to marry him. Well,
also because he was a grown ass fucking man and
she was the child. And now we're beating her because
another grown man had taken advantage of her. Thanks for
the recap, Just for the fucking shitty recap that we

(37:55):
just doing. Be caught up. This is one of the
most upsetting old timey cases you've ever told me. Yeah,
when I first picked it, I'm like, you know, there's
tons of articles on this like it's and I skimmed
it and I didn't see anything crazy. And then like,
the more I started typing and the more information I make,
this is just gonna end up being a story about
how shitty show businesses for young girls and obviously boys.

(38:16):
But this is I guess about it. So The New
York Post wrote that Harry had a reputation back in
New York for beating sex workers with a whip, and
that he regularly indulged in heroin and cocaine. So that's
just another like insight into who Harry really was. Great,
I hate Harry and Stanford. Yes, after those two weeks

(38:36):
had passed, Harry was apologetic and still insistent on marrying Evelyn. No,
that's not like, like, sorry, I basically kidnapped you, beat
you for two weeks because you were raped, put my
fingers in your mouth show which like I forgot about
that were I'm okay with that. Yeah, that's interesting and
you know they didn't wash their hands very well back then. No,
we learned about typhoid mary. Yeah, so it's just sorry,

(38:59):
I kidnapped you and beat you for two weeks and
sexually assaulted you because you were sexual assaulted. Don't have
anything to contribute to this conversation right now. So all
Evelyn ever wanted was to be financially secure, and Harry
could provide them. So, after four years of Harry pursuing Evelyn,
four years of his erratic and wild behavior, she agreed

(39:21):
to marry him. Was she not making her own money?
With the modeling, and so she was how much I
do not know at the time, because even though she
was highly sought after, we get to take into consideration
that she was still a lady and they just don't
earn as much money and was nameless mom taking money

(39:42):
and she was supporting her. So yes, she was probably
making okay money, you know, being a model and actress,
but she was also supporting her mom and brother while
you know, with it, So I can imagine that that
probably took up a lot of her financial resources. So,
like I said, all she ever wanted was financial security.
So the desire for that security and the luxurious life

(40:05):
that Harry could provide was appealing enough to Avelin. So
Evelyn and Harry got married April fourth, nineteen oh five.
She was twenty one years old and he was thirty four.
So Evelyn and Harry got married April fourth, nineteen oh five.
She was twenty one years old and he was thirty four.
At the time, only family attended the wedding, so I

(40:27):
don't think it was like this big thing, okay. I
also speculated that it's probably because Harry was just like
a jealous asshot so he probably didn't want anybody else's
attention on Evelyn. But that's just purely on my speculations.
I mean, it makes sense of how he's acted so far.
So sadly, Harry was never able to handle the fact
that he was robbed of the chance to bed a

(40:48):
virgin wife. Harry were disgusting. Imagine that being your whole focus, Like,
not the fact that his wife was raped, but just
the fact that another man got to her before he
little lives. Yeah, so Harry's hatred for Stanford only grew
at this point. He was the cause of Harry's greatest
disappointments and humilities, you know, because he stole Evelyn's virginity.

(41:11):
Fuck Harry. Apparently it was also the reason that Harry
was rejected by New York's elite so supposedly, with Stanford
being a well loved figure in the upper society of
New York because famous architect at one point or another,
I guess Stanford had ridiculed Harry for trying to be
part of the upper circle. Referring to Harry as quote

(41:32):
the Pennsylvania Pug. I did not look into that any further.
I also didn't check to see if the one article
just had a type on its supposed to be pigs.
Either way, he gave him weird nickname. It stuck. Even
newspapers printed it at the time because just how newspapers
were like. Stanford was a huge point of contention for
Harry for a few different reasons, right mainly because he

(41:54):
took his wife's virginity. But yeah, so gross. So Harry
became obsessed with Stanford. According to Vice, Harry would wake
Evelyn up in the middle of the night and demand
to recount what happened between her and Stanford. So dude
just really could not let it go. Good God, he
just can't let it go. Harry even began employing detectives

(42:15):
to follow Stanford's every move, and Stanford wasn't in plying
to Harry's hatred though, like he was very aware of, like, oh,
this guy just really doesn't like me, you know whatever.
So Stanford told a friend quote, this man Thaw is crazy.
He imagines that I have done him some wrong. Though
is insanely jealous of his wife. He doubtless imagines that

(42:36):
I am meeting her, and before God, I am not.
My friendship for the girl was taken from a purely
fatherly interest. Was it, you know, because fatherly interest in
a child definitely means that you should be getting them
a smashed and raping them. Yeah, also so sorry and
having her as a mistress for a year. So Harry

(42:58):
thought that Stanford was meeting up with Evelyn too again,
so he's still late. He's just so psychotic at this point,
and Stanford's like, oh, no, she's way too old for me.
Bro right exactly, Like no, that where I'm met had
so grossed now right, Okay, keep in mind the Stanford
also sent her off to a boarding school so that
other men couldn't talk to her. Kind of wondering if

(43:19):
like a boarding school and whatever was part of like
she was becoming too old for him. She was like seventeen, yeah,
sixteen seventeen, and I give your take, Yeah, I mean
quite possibly. And he's like, eh, well you go over
there for now. Yeah. And then somebody else took interest
in her, and he's like, cool, this is my oul, right,
you know what I mean? Yeah, anyho, it all came

(43:39):
to a boiling point. June twenty fifth, nineteen oh six,
Harry and Evelyn were attending the performance of Ma'amzelle Champagne
on the rooftop of the Medicine Square Garden with friends.
Even though it was a hot night, Harry still wore
a long overcoat over his tuxedo, and Stanford just so
happened to also be at the show. So Stanford arrived

(44:02):
around eleven pm and sat at his normal table, which
I'm assuming he had a normal table because he was
the architect of the building, so they're like in like
a regular So Harry attempted to approach Stanford several times,
but stopped himself. But during the finale, I could love
a million girls fitting him frowning through this whole I'm
not even gonna put the video on YouTube. The whole

(44:23):
thing is just me frowning. It's just it's a very
shitty case, so disturbing. So Harry approached Stanford one last time,
pulling out a pistol in the process. Harry then fired
three times at close range, striking Stanford. Two of the
shots hit him in the face. This immediately killed Stanford white.
So one shot was to the shoulder, one was under

(44:44):
the left eye, and the other one was in his mouth,
which it was not expecting. It's very wild, but obviously
that immediately killed him. Having two shots to that. Witnesses
to the event said that they saw Harry standing over Stanford,
still holding the pistol, saying quote, I did it because
he ruined my wife. Life wife wife so disgusting. I

(45:04):
did it because he ruined my wife. He had it
coming to him. He took advantage of the girl and
then abandoned her. You took advantage of the girl and
then beat the fuck out of her and groomed her
for several years and forced her to marry you. So
when later recounting what had happened that night in her memoir,
Evelyn said, quote, there was a loud report, a second,
a third. Whatever it happened had happened in the twingling of

(45:27):
an eye before any anyone had a chance to think, act,
Macabs say, brief yet unforgettable met my gaze. Stanford White
slumped slowly in his chair, sagged, and slid grotesquely to
the floor. That was Evelyn's recount, Like later recount of
what had happened. Harry Thought was of course arrested and
charged with first degree murder mortar morta. His request for

(45:50):
bail was denied and he was held at the Tombs
Prison and Evelyn was like, huh, the problems have solved themselves, right,
Not quite well, I mean she might not actually think, yeah,
that's that's what I think. Well, absolutely, I'm sure that
was traumatizing. Yeah, obviously and all that. But one hundred
years plus whatever later, now I don't feel bad. I

(46:12):
don't feel bad that people had to answer for their actions.
So Harry was confident the public would understand why he
did what he did because he's insane. That's why he
thinks that he's a crazy person. And thus the quote
Trial of the Century would begin January twenty third, nineteen
oh seven. We're so close to having planes real quick,

(46:34):
like for being called the trial of the century, and
literally every article there was very little information about the
fucking trial itself. So many trials are called that, like right,
like it's like oh this, well, of course again ultimate newspapers,
they had literally nothing better to do, so like, of
course they're going to like, you know, sensationalize everything, right,
But literally every article said quote trial of the century.

(46:55):
But then like give me the fucking trial thend please. Okay.
So the district attorney at time, William Travers Jerome, preferred
not to have to take this case to trial. He
was hoping that Harry would be declared legally insane. The
prosecution was hoping that, yeah, because they just for some
reason did not want to take the case into light.
Oh because spectacle. Yeah, So I think he was like

(47:16):
hoping to be able to just avoid that and like
just lock that guy up in an asylums. Yeah, you
know what, that might be a fate worse than prison. Right,
So Harry's defense attorney, Lewis Delafield, agreed with the DA.
So Delafield believed that in Santay New plea was the
only way to avoid an execution for Harry, which yeah,
probably is to literally just chat a world renowned and

(47:39):
architect in front of the world renown pediphia. Yes that too.
But Harry didn't agree and felt as though his attorney
was trying to railroad him into a mental mental institution,
so he fired a lawyer. Harry was adamant that the
murder of Stanford was justified. So Mary Sibbet Copeley saw

(47:59):
Harry's mother, was also adamant that her son couldn't bear
the stigma of being clinically insane. I was gonna when
you were talking about being legally declared legally insane or whatever.
That was something that I was thinking, like, he doesn't
seem like the type of person that would be like
you know what, Yep, I agree, I'm out of my mind.

(48:20):
Look at all the kooky things I've done. Couldn't just
be that you're fucking co gaddict. Anyways, So it turns
out Mammy Dearest had been covering up Harry's transgressions most
of his life, paying people off along the way because again,
family right to family he was coming from. Harry was
apparently a frequent cocaine and morphine user, as I just mentioned,
even being expelled from Harvard for quote immoral practices and

(48:44):
threats towards faculty and other students. Because that's not shocking.
When you do drugs, you do a crazy thing, assume.
Mommy Dearest apparently continued to spend a pretty penny on
Harry and seeing the defense to present a plea of
temporary insanity instead of callically insane. I don't know, he
was hiring people to follow Stanford and stuff. His mom

(49:06):
paid five hundred thousand dollars for the doctors to substantiate
the temporary insanity. Okay, so that is over seventeen million
dollars in today's money. Okay, so dropped a fuck ton
of money to like get this the doctors to back,
you know, with what they wanted. So Emlon was the
star witness at Harry's trial that took place from January

(49:27):
to April of nineteen oh seven. Standing by her husband
throughout the whole trial, Evelyn shared the glaring details of
her relationship with both Stanford and Harry, to the point
that a church group attempted to censor the reporting of
the trial. They're like, this is not okay to put
in favors because you know how fucking old timing newspapers
are wild and would print what the fuck ever they wanted. Yeah,

(49:48):
and there's really no guidelines or anything. So like I
can only imagine some of the crazy shit that they put,
you know, in the papers for this. But also like
nobody wants to hear about grown est men taking O
mantage up and raping the childs that we all have.
I don't. I'm watching on stage this entire time, I'm
pregending like it didn't happen. I'm being forced to hear
about it. Now. Look at me, you are very clutched.

(50:09):
Evelyn wasn't the only one to stand by her husband's side.
Though most of America saw Harry as a hero defending
his poor wife's honor. But did they know what happened
in Germany? And listen, somebody soiled his wife before he
could get to her. Don't say that. It's clearly the
biggest problem here, not the fact that she was raped
by multiple grown men. I respectfully disagreed. Yeah, So it

(50:34):
was speculated that the family, probably mommy dearist for Harry,
offered Evelyn financial support for the future if she spoke
favorably and supported her husband. A couple articles said that
it was anywhere between twenty five thousand to a million dollars.
I saw more on the twenty five thousand and when

(50:57):
it was mentioned that they were possibly giving her. And
it's supposed to be for financial support, because remember she's
married in this family now, right, But that's twenty five
thousand in nineteen o yes, which would be approximately eight
hundred and fifty thousand now or over eight hundred fifty thousand. Okay,
So Evelyn's fantastic nameless mother was nowhere to be found

(51:17):
during trial. She's like peace, I don't want to be
in there. Oh really made out well during this, was
her brother. Yeah, but he does blame Evelyn for Stanford's
death because to him, Stanford was actually a father figure,
right because he did step in wanted Yeah, you know,
so to him, he was actually the father figure. Yeah,
Peru's true. But I'm sure at the that time, like

(51:38):
Howard probably didn't know what was happened to his sisters. Yeah.
I actually mean, like all the drama happened, and he
was like, I'm just at a private school, right. I
wonder if not for much longer Stanford, it's not alliveed
to pay for it. Of course at this point he might.
He's probably like graduated because she was twenty one when
they got married to twenty twoish when this happened, and
he was two years younger. So yeah, he's an adult now. So,

(51:59):
like I said, Evelyn's mother was nowhere to be found.
During trial. She did cooperate with prosecution, but beyond that,
she was notably absent. Because the trial was so highly publicized,
the jury was ordered to be sequestered, which honestly not surprised.
One article said that it was like the first time
that it ever had to happen in an American trial.
I was just gonna say, like you said, you're not surprised,

(52:19):
which like, yeah, that's still now, right, y'all. But I'm
surprised for the time that they Yeah, I am so.
The one article did say that it was the first
time that that had had to happen in an American trial.
So jury deliberations started on April even, and after forty
seven hours, the jury came back and he guesses, I
think guilty because I hate him, but I hate this

(52:43):
whole story. They were deadlocked. What seven voted guilty and
five voted not guilty because again, remember by reason of
insanity or just like I guess, that's not really a
thing you can It's either guilty or not guilty. So
in this one, yeah, they with all of it. You

(53:04):
can't just go on like he was mad that one day, right, Well,
he was so in turmoil over what had happened to
his wife prior, and he saw him there in front
of him, and he just had to do something. That's
why he brought his long overcoat, Lizzie Borden style and
then shot him. Yes, and a very warm, warm night. Yeah. Okay,
So the first trial was deadlocked, with seven voting guilty,

(53:27):
five voting not. Harry was shocked and maddened that the
jurors didn't see the killing of Stanford as the noble
act that he claimed it to be because he's crazy, delusional,
slightly slightly delusional. But a second trial did take place
from January through February of nineteen oh eight. Harry again
pleaded temporary insanity. Surprisingly, Harry was not guilty by reason

(53:51):
of insanity at the time of Stansford's murder, so they
agreed that he had just gone crazy and that's why
he killed Stanford. Harry Thaw was then sentenced to a
life at Mattawan State Hospital for the Criminally Insane near
fish Skill, New York. But of course, being the adult

(54:14):
manchild of an extremely wealthy railroad family, Harry had it
pretty good compared to others in the institute, having better
living quarters and whatnot. Obviously, I think that's where the
mad bomber of New York went. It makes sense. I
can't remember or did he go somewhere in Connecticut, but
it sounds really familiar. I was singing it did when
I typed it, I'm like, yeah, for why I have

(54:34):
no cloth. There's too much going on up here, too
much and nothing at the same time. So, nonetheless, Harry
was still bound and determined to be free because he's delusional. Yeah,
And of course his legal team immediately began to do
whatever they could to set Harry free, and after a
subsequent escape, applied to Canada and then extradition back to

(54:55):
New York. Harry's lawyers were able to secure a trial
to determined Arry sane. They were like, so they ended
up like, we're going to have a trial to see
if you are sane or not. On July sixteenth, nineteen fifteen,
a new jury voted in Harry's favor, betting him free.
So what did I say? So nineteen oh eight to

(55:16):
nineteen fifteen, he was in the feminily insane institute whatever
I called it, with an escape and there at one point,
which I feel like was probably pretty easy. He probably
just walked out the front door. But even after being
set free, Harry's crazy did not go away. In fact,
he was arrested again in January of nineteen seventeen after

(55:36):
he had kidnapped, beat, and sexually assaulted a nineteen year
old from Kansas City, Missouri. I have the name of
my notes, but I don't, I don't know, I didn't
it does. I feel uncuted, I will saying that seeing
the person's name. So I'm just not going to So
Harry was again deemed insane in ordered to be confined
at Kirkbride Asylum in Philadelphia. Harry was again rolled sane

(55:59):
in a browl of nineteen twenty four, which is fucking
wild to me? How many times can we be rolled
insane slash saying like pick a lane, there's clearly something
going on here. Seriously, Yeah, I think after reoffending he
should be like, that's it, likes it. Sorry, But when
you come from money and you can do whatever you want, basically,
especially back in that time the story of America. I mean, honestly,

(56:24):
Harry would never go on to express any regret in
murdering Stanford. He actually supposedly claimed quote under the same circumstances,
I'd kill him today. Oh so like obviously was very
changed in how he continued to carry himself right. Harry
ended up dying of a heart attack in nineteen forty
seven and Miami, Florida, so sad, oh no, it's actually

(56:47):
a tragedy that he lives that long. Oh that was
really me okay, but you know there was other stuff
that he absolutely did that was That's what I'm saying,
Like it is, it is a tragedy and like really
too bad that he lived that long. That guy sucked, yeah,
and he was a fucking it was just he clearly
did not know how to make appropriate decisions among society.

(57:10):
That's Sarah's gentle perishing. I'm like, fuck that guy. I agree,
fuck that guy. Harry left behind and a state equal
to about eleven million dollars in today's moneys. And in
his will he left approximately one percent of his net
worth to Evelyn. Oh so sweet, right, one percent of
his millions of dollars when he felt so strongly for

(57:31):
to begin with. Right, honestly, it feels like a like
a slack to the face and like just one more
slap to the face for Evely and like all of
the trauma that he had put her through. His family
abandoned her as soon as he was found temporarily insane
and put in an institute like to she was just
back out there trying to all get into what happened. Rest.

(57:51):
It's just very frustrating. So after the trial, Evelyn was
left to support herself. Of course, after everything that had
gone on and the paper surrounding the trial, Evelyn was
now once again highly sought after because people are fucking gross,
So theater managers were more than year to have Evelyn
on their stage. At first, Evelyn thought getting back in

(58:12):
the limelight, but when the money continued to get tighter,
she caved to the request. So she started out with
an act that consisted of singing and dancing two hits
of the day or you know, of that time frame.
So when she got back into acting, that's kind of
what she was doing. And then in nineteen ten through
nineteen twelve, Evelyn was a headliner of the Keith Vaudeville circuit.

(58:36):
Any clue, No, I don't think so. I had to
look it up too, because I'm like, that sounds familiar,
but it doesn't. Vaudeville sounds familiar. But is that just
a term that I'm too poor to understand? So. Vaudeville
is a type of entertainment popular chiefly in the United
States in the early twentieth century, featuring a mix of
specialty acts such as burlesque, comedy, and song and dance.

(58:57):
Thank you Google AI because I had to Oh, okay, yeah,
like that makes sense because you you know, pair it
with like the show bized stuff that i've Yeah right, yeah,
so that's she did that. From nineteen ten to nineteen twelve,
it was said Evelyn was again hired for her looks
in notoriety versus her talent. So she did have talent,
but like again I just wanted the name attached to

(59:19):
their show. And again she was a very pretty person,
like so that you know, they want more for that, right.
But during this time, Evelyn gave birth to a son
she named Russell William Thaw on October twenty fifth, nineteen
ten or twelve, again depending on which article you'd like
to go with. She gave birth in Berlin, Germany. Why

(59:42):
was she there? Don't know, That's that's where she wanted
to be. Yeah. Evelyn claimed the child was Harry's and
that they had conceived him during a conjugal visit. Harry
never recognized the child as his, and from what I read,
there was never any sort of DNA down to see
like who the father is. There was comments of like
did Evelin actually know who Flotter is? As if she's

(01:00:03):
this fucking horror banging anybody that walks in front of her. Well,
were they thinking, like she's saying this kid is Harry
so that she can get some of the family's money.
Is that? I mean? Either way she didn't and like
he bied the kid, so who knows. But either way,
even the papers, they were like, does she know who
the brother is? Well, that's because whole time the papers
are disonest and she was a child in Ticke advantage

(01:00:24):
of by multi multiple no grown men. That scenario didn't
exist until like five years ago. That's so true. So
in nineteen eleven, Elynn reconciled with her nameless mother and
she took on the role as caregiver to Evelyn's son
while Evelyn tried to find sufficient work to support them.
I'm just going to assume after everything that had happened,

(01:00:47):
she just wasn't in contact with mom anymore. But then
when she had a kid, she's like, Okay, I need mom,
I need that support. Russell, Evelyn's son, would go on
to be in at least six films with Evelyn. I
think as a child for you know, baby whatever. Whatever.
So in nineteen thirteen, Evelyn danced with Jack Clifford, and
the popularity of her vaudeville act with Jack skyrocketed after

(01:01:09):
Harry's escaped from the asylum because like, people are crazy
and it is back in the papers. Yes. Yeah, So
in nineteen fifteen, Evelyn was able to successfully divorce Harry,
and as soon as she got the divorce from Harry,
she married her dance partner, Jack Clifford. Okay, I assume
divorce back then was like wicked hard to probably and
especially from like for a woman to for a woman,

(01:01:32):
for a woman trying to divorce a very known, very rich,
rich family. Yeah, because you can't have that mark on
your family that somebody got a divorced. Gross. Never mind
the murder and child rape and yes, all of that correct,
because her winning a divorce is clearly much larger of
a transgression. Evelyn went on to have medium success in

(01:01:55):
the years following the trial because obviously the notoriety around
it wanted her to be on their stage. Jack and
Evelyn's marriage was short lived, though, her notoriety that was
bringing them all of the attention was too much for
him to handle, which well looks understandable. So the couple
split in nineteen eighteen and the divorce wasn't finalized until

(01:02:16):
nineteen thirty three after years of legal battle. Oh my god,
there were many accusations of a fidel lity. I couldn't
really find anywhere anything beyond that, but I think it
was just that again, trying to divorce and like that
timeframe is not easy. It was probably easier to divorce
Harry in some aspects because she can be like, he's
locked up, he murdered Emity. So I didn't see a

(01:02:36):
ton like anything really beyond the fact that there were
lots of infidelity accusations as to why it was drug out,
but I'm assuming that probably played a pretty big role.
So hoping to get away from the stage, Evelyn tried
to open a tea room called the Evelyn Nesbit Specialty
Food Shop, and she opened that in nineteen twenty one.
Too long of a name, ma'am, I get it still
a lot for a sign. I get wanting to use

(01:02:57):
her name because of the notoriety of it at this point,
but we could have cut it off somewhere in there.
It was a short lived endeavor, though, closing just a
few months later. In the nineteen twenties, Evelyn sadly attempted
to take her own life twice, with the pressures from
the financial struggles becoming too much, and in nineteen thirty seven,

(01:03:19):
Evelyn attempted to make a comeback by writing her first
memoir for a New Year paper, but sadly, over time
her story was Her stories were inconsistent and was deemed
pathetic and sensational by critics because obviously, if you are
raped as a child, you are going to remember exactly
every detail and sequence and all of the bad things
that continued to happen to you, or rather than probably

(01:03:42):
trying to block some of those things or right, Evelyn
again tried to get back on stage in a number
of second rate cabarets in both New York and New Jersey,
but sadly, when Evelyn was no longer the bright stars
she had been most of her life, the entertainment industry
really wanted nothing more to do with her. Used you
up for everything we need, goodbye. In nineteen fifty five,

(01:04:04):
Evelyn was hired as a consultant for The Girl in
the Red Velvet Swing, a movie supposedly based on her
early life. Evelyn received just thirty thousand dollars for the
rate for her latest version of her story for that movie. Okay,
I don't know why I did. I meant to add
it earlier on, like way early on, but apparently, like
while at Stanford's apartment, he oftentimes would have her in

(01:04:28):
that red velvet swing. Well, you mentioned that he was
like and watch but naked, so again he just across
the whole thing. S trows. Why are you making me
frown again? So sorry? Okay, So the last twenty years
of Evelyn's life was lived quietly at a downtown Los
Angeles hotel and then at a recovery home in Santa Monica.

(01:04:48):
So after Harry's death, Evelyn moved out west to California,
where her son was there. In California, Evelyn took to
sculpting and even studied at Grant Beach School of Arts
and Wraps, graduating in nineteen fifty two. And after she
graduated from there, she began teaching skolting and ceramics, which
sounds pretty fucking fun to me. Yeah, that's one day

(01:05:12):
I want to go somewhere and like do the pottery
and make my own coffee cup. So, at the age
of eighty two, Evelyn passed on January seventeenth, nineteen sixty seven.
She was buried at a cemetery in Inglewood, where only
a few people attended her funeral. So Evelyn's son, Russell
went on to become an accomplished pilot, even placing third

(01:05:32):
in the nineteen thirty five Bendix Trophy race from LA
to Cleveland. No clue what that resent, but he placed.
I think he placed third in that. I don't know
why I wrote it this way, two places above Amelia
air Hart at fifth. A fun little wrap round into that.
I wasn't expecting to talk about planes so much. I know.

(01:05:54):
Oh yeah, so I that's you know, her son went
on to become an accomplished pilot, and that the heartbreaking
case of how a young girl was taken advantage of
for her beauty and so many different ways. Just kind
of this is just like tragic. So sorry, that was
show business has always been exploitive, yes, and so Manytill is. Yes.

(01:06:18):
I mean, look at the Nickelodeon documentaries that are coming
out now. Yeah, well I was. I mean some of
our favorite childhood shows are like, like, holy fuck, I
can't believe I had to go through that. It's like
any aspect of the entertainment like p did Trials just
starting this week that too, Yeah, it's I know. I
was thinking about that earlier when I was like, and
you kept calling him a potophile and make Yeah, but yeah,
that was the horrific story of Evelyn Nesbet. I hated it,

(01:06:44):
but you told it well that I frowned the whole time. Yeah,
that was a rough one. Thanks so much for that.
You are won't do a case next week that involves pedophiles.
I think you should find a old case to tell me.
I've been looking. Okay, it's just hard to Yeah, I've

(01:07:06):
already told the good one. All right, let me tell
my sources preak and forget so. PBS dot org had
an article on it. Arizona die Edu had an article
by A c. Lol, George, this is my favorite episode.
Can we just all have very simple last names? Because
that's Sarah is stupid. Sarah needs easy things to say,

(01:07:28):
and so. Encore Theatrical Company also had an article on
Famous Trials. Dot Com had an article by Professor Douglas
Olender obviously a Wikipedia. There was a medium dot com
article by benath No Denise Shelton brains just like we're
done here and then there was also an all That's
interesting article by Kyleen Fraga, and that was that traumatic, nice, terrible,

(01:07:54):
so sorry you should be Also the Mad Bomber of
New York did go to that It's fine more fun facts.
I had to know, Yeah I couldn't. I was like,
I know, I'm right anyway, Oh TLASA keeps forgetting to
say this, so I'm gonna say it because I did
it yesterday. Wash your water bottles, well, I do keep
forgetting to say I need to wash my water bottle
for sure. Every had to text you. I started to
wash Connor's school water bottle from last week and yesterday,

(01:08:18):
and then I'm like I looked at my end and
I'm like, fuck, I just need to wash everybody. So
I like, yeah, everybody's water bottles and spend twenty minutes
in the same scrubbing all of them. I was on
our role reminding everyone every weekend my life just I'm
not washing my own water bottle on a regular basis.
So yeah, yeah, everyone needs to get wash your water
bottle and go sit in the sun for five minutes, yes,

(01:08:39):
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