79. Spree Killer Charles Starkweather

This week Sarah tells us the horrendous case of spree killer Charles Starkweather. From start to finish Starkweather is an awful dude. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, I'm t Lisa and I'm Sarah. Welcome to the
Shit Show a half. That's true grand podcast. Why Like literally,
as soon as I pointed out, you were like picking
a face something. Please don't start. What happened? The countdown
thing looked weird on my side? Oh okay, that's all
all right. I'm just gonna go with it. I don't know. Hi, Hello,
I'm great. How are you. I'm alive. We are alive.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I was on the way here thinking, Okay, first of all,
everybody should know that I actually remember to take my
allergy medicine today before I came over, So pat me
on the back.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm an adult. Second, I was thinking I was going
to complain about how fucking sore I am.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, so Sarah and I started going to the gym
again for the first time in a hot minute.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, this year has been rough.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I don't know, I know, like back at the beginning
of the podcast, we talked about how we did do that.
So we took some time off because things have been
fucking crazy, and I kind of decided last week, like
I'm tired of feeling like shit, I would like to
go back. And I been all last week feeling like
I got hit by a goddamn truck, which is like
I think my body was just like Hi, I'm shocked,

(01:05):
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why are we doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
And then now this week is more of the oh,
I use those muscles soreness, which is much better. Also,
I hurt my own feelings by realizing how much strength
I lost just by not lifting weights for seven months, so.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
That was it is humbling. It is like I went
back to the gym to make myself feel better. But
then I'm like, oh, I did that like the because
I had gone back a couple times by myself before
you started back again and I was feeling in the
exact same way. I am glad that I didn't have
the death feeling all over again, because I did have
that a couple weeks prior, and I literally went one
day and had to take the entire week off because
my body's like, why are you killing me? Right? But

(01:42):
then there are other things that we can still do
that we did like prior, and I'm like, okay, so
we didn't lose that much. Well, but I think just
the things that we want to lift heavy though for me, it.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Was the dead lifts when I was like I used
to be able to. I picked up three hundred and
fifteen pounds like that was.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
My single max before. There's no way in fuck that
that would.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Come off the ground now done last week, I mean,
we'll see what happens tomorrow, but it's not going to
be that.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I was fine all day yesterday, like you know, I
felt like the used muscles, and then I like deeply
ined Connor's room with through his closet, took out like
clothes I don't fit anymore, like you know, just just
so he needed like a general reset in his room.
And so I spent like three or four hours doing
that yesterday, and by the time I was done, I
could not stand up straight. And I'm like, I made

(02:25):
poor decisions.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Which is great because Sarah's helping me move this weekend.
Yeah so no deadlifting for you at the gym this
week right.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah. So it is slightly better now that I've been
up and moving, but I slept like shit last night.
I did Papa Muse relaxer before we started, so hopefully
that kicks in because it was I was a hot mess.
But I am starting to feel better, so I feel
less stuff. I feel less stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I feel sore today, but yeah, the right kind of sore.
Last week I was like nine on one, something's wrong yesterday.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I'm like, how did I not like, how did I
not blow my back out squatting? But then like it
came home and I picked up stuff off the floor
and I can't do it now it's because we're old. Yeah,
well then I'm like, is it the tethered spinal cord?
Is that fucking with me? Like?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Probably, I'm going to put you back on the deadlift
machine instead of conventional I find Listen, do you like
how I said that? Like I'm in charge of what
you do?

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I mean kind of if you do like death stare
me until I'm like, okay, fine, yeah I don't. Okay,
before I start my extremely terrible case, no, just here's
your trigger warning now for child and animal things. But
I'm going to tell you our social media oh my god. Okay, okay, no,
but all right, so before I do jump into my case,
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(04:05):
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Speaker 1 (04:06):
Thank you again to all of our new listeners. You're
boosting our downloads and we are very appreciative of that. Yeah,
so super cool. Keep up that good work and hopefully
you continue listening and joining the ship show that thisits yeah, welcome, welcome. So,
like I said, this is there's a trigger warning for
my case. It's not great for multiple different reasons. It

(04:30):
doesn't go into crazy detail. I don't think, do you
like how.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I come over here to record a true crime podcast?
But when you're like this case is actually really sad
and has some terrible things that happen into it, I'm like,
I'm gonna I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, I changed my mind, just kidding, Yeah, it's it's
just it was just another one of those weeks where
like my brain could not like pick anything, and then
I don't even remember how it happened about cross this case.
I never heard of it, but I do have a
feeling we will have lots of thoughts and opinions on that.
Great welcome to this awful thing. Okay. So Charles stark

(05:05):
Weather was born. Oh, I know this story a deal. Okay.
I don't know if i'd never seen it. Really, yeah,
I consider doing this. I don't know. A little while ago,
no really, okay, I didn't like I almost text you,
but then I'm like, we were in the middle of
texting about more important things. So I'm like, I'm just
doing it. Yeah, no, okay, okay. So Charles stark Weather

(05:26):
was born on November twenty fourth, nineteen thirty eight and Lincoln, Nebraska.
That was another thing. For some reason, I was shocked
that there was some sort of murder out of Nebraska
because I never hear about that. Sorry from Nebraska. Get
about Nebraska. I forget they're there. They don't cause too
many problems. But yeah, I was like, oh no, that's
that's that's a state. Okay. So he was the fourth

(05:46):
of Guy and Helen Arnold stark Weather's seven children. Okay
with me, it's too many many too Yeah, that's again
it's too many.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
But I feel like I would expect every family in
Nebraska in the forties to have seven kids.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I don't know why it makes sense. It makes sense
in my head. Why farms And yeah, I don't know
what is in Nebraska. I do not birth control in
the forties probably definitely not so all right. So Charles
came from a working class family. His father was a
carpenter but was oftentimes he oftentimes went unemployed because he

(06:24):
had rheumatoid arthritis in his hands, and you kind of
need your hands to be a carpenter. Yeah, so his mom, Helen,
picked up slack by being a waitress when he was
you know, during his off times, which I feel like
would be all the time. I don't have arthritis in
my hands when my hands do hurt, and like I
couldn't have rememgine having like arthritis because like it actually

(06:45):
affects them. I wonder if, like if rumatoid rheumatoid arthritis
is something that like flares up, you know, during seasons
or something like that. Yeah, I would assume, because my
hands are definitely worse during the wintertime than they are
the summer. So I definitely would think does I'm assume
it gets pretty cold to Nebraska too. Where is Nebraska?
I don't know. We know that it's a state. I

(07:07):
can't tell you it's a state like that way past
where I grew up. I don't anything past that doesn't
exist in my brain. I mean, it's one of the
square states, right, I need to google now it's Nebraska
a square state. No, it's probably not cut that. Let's
see us say map, where are you Nebraska? All right?
Nebraska is below South Dakota, which is next to Iowa

(07:31):
in Minnesota, and part of Nebraska touches Missouri as well. Okay,
so it's literally one state over from where I grew up.
No fucking clue. Okay, that's that's your map lesson of today.
Now we are back on the history side of our
podcast analytics. Yeah, I don't remember it. Okay, So his
mom we got like three cents. We welcome to Sarah's

(07:51):
turn to telegates. All right. So, like I said, his
mom picked up waitressing work when his dad was off
work from for his hands. Another random fun fact that
was in the Wikipedia article that I had no clue
whe else to put it, so I shoved it in here.
Charles's great great grandfather served in the US House of
Representatives in New York's twenty first district from eighteen forty

(08:13):
seven to eighteen forty nine. Well, dang, that is probably
the last of fun facts that will be giving you today. Great,
and it was a history fact. Are you surprised to
know we were on the history charts for a little while? Yeah,
for a lot of while. So I'm just slowly working
my way back there. Anyhow, from the sounds of it,
Charles' home life wasn't great, to the point that his

(08:33):
mother eventually did divorce his father, citing extreme cruelty as
the reasoning. I saw kind of contradictory where like, no
real complaints of his early childhood, but then also that
the mom divorced for extreme cruelty. So I don't know,
pick which one you want to believe could be a
child's view of their dad, yeah, versus the mom's reality. Perhaps, Yeah,

(08:54):
that is true because the children usually are shielded from
the chaos that can ensue from things that yeah should
be Yeah. So I also so I guess his father
Guy later admitted to pushing Charles through a window at
some point in childhood. So I should have read that
sentence prior to my previous statements. So again it probably
wasn't actually that great. But in terms of early forties, yeah,

(09:18):
parenting part for the course instead wasn't throwing them through
forty Yeah, So yeah, I'm gonna assume it's you know,
a lot to do with that. And unfortunately for Charles,
his school life wasn't great either. Charles was born with
I did not look up how to say this, do
it genue varum it's j or nope, that's a G

(09:42):
G E, n U space V a r U M,
which is a mild birth effect that causes the lower
part of the legs to bow inward, giving them as
shapen book. I probably wasn't very comfortable to walk and
walk with either. And because of kids or assholes, I
was obviously bully bullied. He also had a speech impediment

(10:04):
that he was bullied over as well, because again, kids
are assholes, But his elementary school teachers claimed they didn't
remember him being picked on. But I have very strong
opinions on this, and I could not find an appropriate
way to put those into words.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I think teachers in the forties probably allowed more bullying. Yeah,
just like teachers just in general, like twenty five I
like turn a blind eye. Oh well, that's and training
and discussion about bullying back then was Oh, I mean,
there's no excuse for letting bullying happen, right, but especially now,
I'm just like, for back then, I think, right, your

(10:41):
teacher was probably bullying you.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I don't know. I guess the hard part for me is,
I know I haven't gone into deep detail with some
of Connor's struggles at school, but he was very much
being bullied. The bullies parents worked at the school, so
they almost every time got away with it. If they didn't,
it was a little slap on the wrist and then
they turned around and it did it again the next day.
So it's very frustrating to me that it didn't It

(11:04):
wasn't that bad when in the reality is if it's
affecting the child, it is that bad, right, and the
child's one living through it, not the teacher who's just
like I'll get a sense of humor, right, you know
what I mean? Like, yeah, Okay. Although Charles didn't do
great overall in school, he did love pe. So pe
became an outlet for Charles when he was angry, and
he was often angry, having a lot of pent up rage.

(11:27):
But that outlet only helped for so long, and then
Charles turned into a bully himself, going after those who
bullied him. Which it's the cycle. This turned into rage
towards anyone he mildly disliked, to everyone that existed for everyone. Yeah,
so Charles went from being one of the most behaved

(11:48):
kids in the community to one of the most troubled
because again, you know, as a younger kid, he didn't
learn how to process those feelings right. And you know
in his home life wasn't really that great either, you
know his Yeah, there's abuse of then he's gone to
school and being ans so late. It's just at some
point somebody's gonna snap. So Bob von Bush, a friend
from high school, later recalled quote, he could be the

(12:10):
kindest person you've ever seen. He'd do anything for you
if he liked you. He was a hell of a
lot of fun to be around too. Everything was just
one big joke to him. But he had this other side.
He could be mean as hell, cruel. If he saw
some poor guy on the street who was bigger than
he was, better looking or better dressed, he tried to

(12:31):
take the poor bastard down to his size. So he's
a big troublemaker. Yeah, okay, like, oh, you look like
a big beefy d it. I want to fight you.
I didn't put in here. But he was only like
five five. Oh, so he had like little man syndrome. Yeah,
I think so, Like he wasn't like tiny, like he
has still had a decent build. According to the one
article that I forgot to add in here, but but yeah,

(12:53):
he was always yeah okay, so I think that probably
played it role ino a guy with that we do, Okay.
So it was said that Charles later started to idolize
James Dean and his rebellious outsider image. Okay, yeah, but yeah,
And the one article is, you know he'd wear like
the the jeans and the beggar jacket and the frameless

(13:16):
glass in his hair. Yeah yeah, so, which, honestly, it
just seems so of the times. Yeah, it makes me
kind of chuckle. But in nineteen fifty six, at the
age of eighteen, Charles was introduced to thirteen year old
Carol and fugut I'm assuming Carol is said the way
I just said it, it's c A R L. And

(13:37):
I did not look. I tried to Google it, and
Google's like, do you mean c Yeah, so I'm just
gonna continue saying it that way. That's how I've always
heard it. But can you for one more time? It's
the ages thirteen? Yeah, he's eighteen. Why are they introduced?
Do why? I don't know. It's fucking disgusting. It's I
hate it the whole time. Part of the reason I said,

(13:58):
you're gonna not like this game, but you already know
some I know some of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Sorry, I have a freshly turned fourteen year old dog
an eighteen year old man talking to her. I might
find myself in jail.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
That thought. I don't want to. Yeah, so fucking grows.
It is disgusting, like I so, like he.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Is in high school or graduating high school and she's
in seventh grade.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Let me read you to my next two sentences. Eighteen
year old Charles then dropped out of his senior year
of high school and took a job at a newspaper
warehouse because it was right down the road from thirteen
year old Carol's junior high school. No, I'm leaving. I
have to go home. I don't want to listen to
this anymore till you is fucking terrible. I don't know
how I happened across it. I don't know why. For
some reason, I'm like, I guess I could do this

(14:43):
one and then the more I got into it, like,
god damn it, Sarah, why would you do this to us?
Like this already is a crime? Correct, and the crimes
get way worse? I know. Okay, So, yes, he dropped
out of high school, took a job because it was
right down the road from her school, your high school,
and by this time, by the time Charles had dropped

(15:04):
out of high school, his parents were even like fearful
of his insane outburst that he was having, but sure,
let him date a thirteen year old No, sorry, He's like,
I don't even I feel like, I don't even that's
it's not even called dating, it's grooming.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I don't I'm going to assume that they're just talking. Also,
my other thing is like, yeah, I guess his parents
should have been like, hi, hello you. I don't I
feel like everyone should have called the cops.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yes, I don't know how much his parents knew about
the relationship prior to the events that what about her parents?
I'm getting there, Okay, I'm sorry, I guess tell the story. Yeah,
get out of my notes, okay. So then Charles began
to visit Carol every day after school. So Carol was
born July thirtieth, nineteen forty three. July thirtieth, Yeah, that's

(15:48):
my birthday. Were you born born? Were born in nineteen
forty three? I feel like it. I'm really just avoiding
getting to the rest of them, thank you? Okay, all right.
So Carol was born July thirtietheeny three and lived with
her mother and stepfather. She was a very smart student
and was well liked by her peers. Cheryl was introduced
to Charles by it was very unclear whether it was

(16:11):
her sister or his sister by somebody named Barbara is
who introduced supposedly somebody's sister, Okay, was Barbara? She was
dating Caryl's age or Charles's age. Unclear on how old
she was, but she was dating Bob von Busch that
I mentioned here. Bob von Busch is Charles's friend. Yes,

(16:33):
so I'd assume Charles's age of it. Okay, So Barbara
the fuck? What the fuck? Barbara? Correct? I need a
T shirt that just says, what the fuck? Barba? In
many ways, so the pair quickly became close despite the
fiber age, Jeb, I will only be referring to them
as a pair. I have I have more, I have
many more questions. That he was going to her house

(16:54):
after school. No, So the way I understood or took
it was that he purposely got the job down the
street from the school so she he could see her
after school, like maybe on the way home type thing,
or like she's said at school. Yeah, yes, okay, quite literally,
So that's kind of how I took it.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
It was more like, but not like going to the house. Yeah,
but so did the parents didn't know that she was
hanging out with a grown man at this point, I
don't think so, Okay, Okay, continue, I'll let you tell
me the story.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Okay. Like I was saying the pair, I'm going to
be calling them the pair. If I'm talking about both
of them, I will not be calling them a couple,
because she's a child and he is not. Literally, so
just for future reference, when I say the pair, it's
because I refuse to use the couple, and that's the
only way to easily address both of them. Charles borrowed
one of his father's cars so he could teach Carol

(17:43):
how to drive. Thirteen year old Carol okay, but unfortunately
during her driving lesson, she wrecked his father's car. That's
really shocking that a thirteen year old couldn't try. But
did they have power staring at that point? I don't know.
It's probably a standard, right, I don't know, but I've
driven a vehicle without power steering and it's not easy.
So yeah, of course she fucking readd. So Charles' parents

(18:06):
kicked him out of the family home after this accident.
I guess they were friendly, like, and you.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Were making really bad decisions, right, and so they vooted him.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Okay, So around this same time, Charles quit his job
at the newspaper warehouse and began working as a garbage collector. Sadly,
around this time, Charles began to develop nihilistic views of
the world. He started to believe that his current situation
was the final determinant of how he would live out
the rest of his life. He now had just two
main goals, which was to satisfy his biological needs and

(18:37):
to acquire power over others to satisfy his what needs
biological Yeah, I don't know if you've paid attention. But
everything this dude's done up and to this point is
fucking gross and it only is going to get I
don't know why you need to phrase it like that,
but that was I took it from the article because
I'm like, how else would you say that? And not
even grosser? Right, And to get the two main goals

(18:58):
across how they Yeah, don't garbagem make like decent money?
I don't know. I think they do now. I don't
know about in the early forties or whenever. That has
something to do with the mob. I that's a different
that's a different podcast. So his new personal philosophy was
that quote dead people are all on the same level,

(19:21):
which I it doesn't make sense to me. Basically, he's
just he doesn't like people at all anymore, and.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
He uses that so he's basically saying everybody should be dead. Basically,
I think he needed Alexa pro, he.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Needed the largest loss. Let's do a combination, let's try
a couple. Yeah, he needed some major help and probably therapy, and.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
But none of that existed in the forties. So now
we're talking about men. Yeah, that did not think barely
exists now for money, right, Well, I mean it, it exists,
but it's like the stigma.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well yeah, well I know what you meant, but yeah,
there's definitely a huge stigma around men seeking mental health
help or support. I guess would probably be the better
way to say it. So yeah, anyway, So it was
during his route collecting trash that Charles began to plot
home robberies, as one would do after they started adopting

(20:15):
crazy philosophies and being weird and dating a thirteen year
old being a predator. Yeah again, I didn't mean to
use her dating because they were not dating. He was
grooming her one hundred percent so gross on November thirtieth,
nineteen fifty seven or December first, because I saw both

(20:36):
just a day difference. So Charles went into a local
gas station to purchase a stuff animal as a gift
for Carol. But the only problem was what go get
a toy for my I didn't even think about it
that way, but literally, okay, yeah, yeah, yes, okay, sorry, continue.

(20:57):
The only problem was Charles is attempting to purchase the
stuffed animal for Carol on credit. So when the twenty
one year old Robert Colvert the guess you should attend
to refuse his request. It obviously enraged Charles, so he
then left the store, but continued coming back and periodically
just buying small random things. Well, then he could have
just bought the fucking teddy bear. Apparently he had enough

(21:19):
to buy small random things, but not enough to buy it.
We come back next week after we get paid, Right,
that would be the logical thing to do. I don't
know that Charles knows what logic is, Okay, I have
yet to see it. It be used sadly for Robert.
Charles held a grudge, and the final time that Charles
returned to the gas station, he brought a shotgun. Charles

(21:40):
then took one from the cash register before forcing Robert
out of the store and into his car. Charles then
drove Robert to a remote location, where a struggle for
the gun ensued, and sadly, the fight left Robert wounded,
and then Charles shot Robert several more times in the head,
killing him. Oh my gosh, fucking teddy bear? Do you

(22:01):
take the teddy Bear from the store? I looked, I
could not find mention of that, but like he had
to have, right, Like that was the whole point.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Unless it's like, like, how when I just went to
go grab some stuff and I had two things on
my list, and I grabbed one of the things, and
then I stood there.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Like what am I doing? What was the other thing
I wanted? Yeah? I do that literally every day. And yeah,
I can imagine probably in the heat of moment when
you're trying to kidnap somebody, that you might not be
thinking about the teddy Bear. But it's all over the
teddy Bear though, It's all because yeah, well it's not.
Is it over the teddy Bear? Or is it because
his request was denied and he is throwing a temper tantrum? Now?

(22:36):
Well I think it's both. Yeah, So months would go
by before Charles found himself in another infuriating situation. Wait,
so they didn't. Nope, he got away for a month.
He got away with because again he took him to
a remote location. And it's wintertime at this juncture, so
I'm gonna assume not as many people are out and
about in the wilderness to stumble across, okay, Robert's body.

(23:00):
We once would go by before Robert found himself in
another infuriating situation, as I just done. On January twenty first,
nineteen fifty eight, Charles went to Carol's house for a visit,
but when Velda and Marian Bartlett, Carol's mother and stepfather,
turned Charles away and forbid him from seeing their daughter again,
Charles again snapped, this is a reminder of previous trigger warning.

(23:22):
So Charles shot and killed both of Carol's parents before
turning his attention to her two and a half year
old baby's sister, Betty Jean. Betty Jean. So one article
said that he strangled and stabbed her, and the other
one said that he shot her, So I'm not sure
what happened either way. He's a fucking vile human being
and killed and multiple innocent people, but like, I can't
imagine like a two and a half year old. So

(23:44):
Charles then dragged the bodies out behind the house, hiding
them in an out house in a chicken coop. So
Carol claims she returned home to find Charles sitting with
a gun, so she was gone. Comes home, finds Charles
in her empty home with a gun, and she claims
that he was threatening to kill her whole family if
she didn't do what he's said. So she was home

(24:05):
during the murders or she came home after the murders.
Let me read my next sentence. Charles claims otherwise, saying
that Carol was there the whole time and witnessed the
murders and the cleanup afterwards. But Carol's story is that
she returned home to find Charles there with the gun
and not seeing her family because he had already removed
the bodies. But like, why was he going over there

(24:27):
if she wasn't there? She just thought she was maybe
like he didn't go there in the time before page's
and cell phone. No, I understand that.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I'm just saying, like, well, I mean he would know
like when she's in school, right.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I don't know if it was like he got there
when he expected her to be home from school type thing.
I don't know if it was a school day, right,
Maybe she happy like day after for some tutoring because
she's in junior high. But it was unclear whether she
was actually there or not, whether she showed up later
and he was there. According to her, she showed up

(25:02):
later and he was there already there with the gun
inside the house and the family was not there to
be seen. Okay, But according to him, he's claiming, oh,
she absolutely was there.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I actually think it's smiled that he would show up there,
right with that having not been It's not like her
parents were like, yes, please please babysit Carol, right, you
know what I mean, and like that he was over
there often or something.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, So this is sounds like the first time he
had ever tried to go visit her at her home
and her parents were clearly not receptive of it, and
he freaked the fuck out. So I see it. I
could see it a little bit of both, like we're, yeah,
maybe Carol was there and witnessed the murders, but that
doesn't mean she took part in the murders, you know
what I mean, Like because she clearly was probably just

(25:48):
as scared as everybody else in the situation because he's
brandishing a gun and then kills three miss at people
because again he was told no. Right, So either way,
I'm more inclined to believe Carol's story at this point then,
even if she was there for it, yeah right, because
again she's thirteen. Like. So. The pair then stayed in

(26:09):
Carol's home for the next six days. Over that next
week of hiding out, Carol's family would pop over to
check in on the family, try to visit. Each time
they were met with Carol saying we're sick, we have
the flu, will go away, Like I think it said,
her sister came to visit, one of our brothers came
to visit, a grandmother came to visit, and I think
actually it was a grandmother who finally was like this

(26:30):
is suspicious and put a call into police. Okay, but
they did have a sign on the door that said
like sick with the flu as well. So not only
was she like telling everybody like, no leave, we're all
sick in here, they put a sign on the door
saying but it was spelled run right yes, and she
put miss miss Bartlett, which would imply the two and
a half year old wrote the note because her last

(26:53):
name is Fugitu get fuget.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think, yeah, I just I just remember that the
note was yeah, yes, flu.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
It was with an e, yeah, so she must spelled it,
and she put as if the two and a half
year old had written it. So that kind of tells
me like maybe she really wasn't a part of this
and she was trying to get somebody's attention, but nobody
really picked up on it. I don't know, but the
grandmother did eventually contact police, right, because like, how about
is the flu that the only person that anyone's seeing

(27:21):
is Carol? Right for a week and you can't answer
the phone like right, yeah, And as I said this
of course read but my spread flags and Grandma called
the cops. The police did do a sweep of the
home and didn't find anybody inside, and it was unclear
what happened directly after that. Days later, Rodney, Charles's brother
and Bob Charles's von Bush Bob boon Bush, went to

(27:44):
Carol's home in hopes of finding something the police may
have missed that could help locate everyone who is missing.
So even Charles's friends are like, well, at this point,
something terrible has happened. Yeah, he's not been seeing not
been seen. Really, there's a weird sign on the door,
like hey, guys, turns out it was a really bad
idea took her eighteen year old friend up with a child.

(28:05):
Turns out, turns out, but instead of finding any clues,
they happened upon a very gruesome scene. So Rodny and
Bob found the bodies where Charles had hitten them in
the chicken coop and outhouse behind the house as soon
as police were notified and alert was put out to
pick up both Charles and Carol if found okay. But

(28:25):
when the pair left on January twenty seventh, they drove
to Bennett, Nebraska, where seventy year old August Meyer, who
was a friend of the Starkweather family and lived in
a farmhouse. So August welcomed the pair into his home,
but Charles immediately shot August before turning the gun to
his dog. Why because he's a fucking crazy person. I

(28:46):
don't know how else to put it. Yeah, I have
One article mentioned that he possibly is like, yeah you can,
because they get their car stuck, which is my next line.
Their car got stuck in the mud. So one article
employed that August is like, oh, yeah, you can check
my horses out and pull your car out, and that's
when he was shot. But either way, pretty immediately Charles
shot August and then his dog. What was the dog's name.

(29:07):
It's the fifties, nobody put their dog's name down. If
it was an article today, it would be all over it. Yeah, yeah, no,
there was no there was no name. So as they said,
like they had gotten their car stuck in the mud
and they couldn't get it out, so they decided to
just hitchhike from there. Charles and Carrol would eventually get
picked up by a young local couple who was passing
through the area. So Robert Johnson and Carol King, just

(29:29):
seventeen and sixteen, stopped to help, or you know, they
saw Charles and Carroll walking, so they started to help.
So Charles, being the vile monster that he is, then
made the couple drive the four of them to an
abandoned storm celler in Bennett. Whether he knew where that was,
it was unclear whether he like or just like drive

(29:52):
me to a place out in the middle of nowhere
type thing, and that's where they ended up. But Charles
then shot Robert in the back of the head before
attempting to to rape Carol King. When Charles was unsuccessful
because King was putting up too much of a fight,
he became angry and fatally shot King as well. So
we're up to six people, is that including the first one? Yeah,

(30:13):
So we have Robert, we have both of Carol's parents,
her little sister, and now to random teenager and guest. Right, Oh,
I forgot about it. Adult. Yes, well, if seven people, yeah,
so we're up to seven people now that he's just
shot without any hesitation. Okay. So Charles would later confess
to killing Robert, but claimed that Carol was the one

(30:34):
who was shot and killed Carol King. Carol of course,
claims that she was in the car the whole time.
Which did she have her own gun? I think so?
I think later on or it's implied that she did.
Whether she actually did or not, I'm not sure, but
it was and later on it will he does imply
that she did have her own. So the pair then

(30:54):
stole Robert's car, driving into a wealthy area in Lincoln,
trying to find a place to hide out. Can I
you can cut this, but I just need to tell
you something. One of the only other things I really
remember about the story is they tried to stay in
August House, but they were afraid of his ghost. I
didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
And then that's when they left, And that's like one
of the things I remember.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
It would have happened. That's something that like a thirteen
year old be worried about that they just yeah, created
a ghost too. Yeah, yeah, no, I didn't see that anywhere. Interesting.
I could very much see that though, we're like, no,
this is an old farmhouse. Yeah. Like I said, they
went to for some reason, a wealthy area in Lincoln
to pick a house to try to hide out at. Okay,

(31:37):
are they going away from? Hadn't pull up a map
when I did this. I don't know. We already know.
I'm not good with maps. We already established that. I'm
not sure. I think so because like or these places
are like really close together, because they do end up
in Wyoming. Oh, I would assume, yeah, they are moving
away there. They picked the home of forty seven year
old industrialist Charles Ward and his Claire, who was fifty

(32:02):
okayed there and I thought it was funny because she
was older than him. Okay, So Charles and Carol assumed
the home was empty. Lad Miilla Phinnith, who was fifty one.
The Wards made Lamella, Ledmilla, l u d m i
la okay, Ludmilla. I don't know whatever. I'm not good

(32:23):
with names. That's I'll just spell them off for you.
She was the maid for the awards and she was
there waiting for them to come home. So Charles took
a knife and stabbed fifty one year old Lamella to
death before the pair settled in to wait for the
words to arrive. When the family's dog continued barking, it'll
stop it, Charles also killed it. So eight people, two pets,

(32:46):
and they didn't know who the words were. Why are
they waiting for them to come back? I don't know. Again,
this is very unclear of Lake. You got to remember,
there's no logic in this band's brain, like, not even
a drop of it. So I don't know if they
were waiting because they do eventually steal their car and
they like ransacked the house, So I don't know if
maybe it was kind of like a that situation where

(33:07):
they were. And also he clearly enjoys killing people, clearly, Yeah,
so I think that's part of it too, like oh,
we're gonna wait for them to get here, we're gonna
take their shit, we're gonna take their car, we're going
to move on to the next place type thing. So sadly,
Clara was the first to arrive home, immediately being stabbed
to death by the pair. Again, there's going to be
differing stories on who claims who did what. Later, when
Chester arrived home, they also jumped him with Charles's shotgun.

(33:32):
Then that's when Charles shot Chester to death. Charles would
later argue claiming to half of the murders while saying
Carol stabbed Claria to death, then ransacked the home, stealing
jewelry before also hopping in the words black nineteen fifty
six packard and from here they're fleeing the state of Nebraska. Okay,
So waited for them to get home, killed them both,

(33:54):
took whatever they could or wanted, and then took their car.
Of course, the outpouring of fear and panic was increasing
exponentially at this point because we're up to eight thousand murders.
It's it's insane to me that these two, well these
very young people are so easily able to move around

(34:14):
for so many days and kill so many people.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's crazy. And the police were like finding the trail
that they're leaving behind, or like, did anybody find August
yet or the two teens.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I clearly they were, Yeah, they have to be like
finding these people because they're tie They do tie them too, okay,
but you know they're still somehow missing them entirely. So
in an attempt to curb that panic, police started going
house to house in hopes of finding Charles and Carrol,
but like you can't. We have cars now. But all
that did was insight more and more accusations of incompetence

(34:47):
on the part of the Lincoln Police Department, especially since
there were several supposed sidings of the pair. Hi, hello,
welcome back.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
We have had some technical difficulties and still are apparently
Sarah's slamming stuff around the table.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, this whole day feels like a Monday, but it's
not no Chase Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
It is, and this is all happening because we didn't
record yesterday.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yep, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So anyway, Sarah's going to continue on with her case,
but we don't really quite remember where she left off,
so we're gonna guess and hope that we're right.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay, So I did say that the police going to
door to door didn't really help curb anybody's panic because
they were just accused of being incompetent for because there
are many sightings of both Charles and Carroll together that
it just didn't seem like they were falling up on
which I'm sure they probably were, just didn't seem that

(35:46):
way because they were also trying to go door to
door to be like, hey, are these killers here right?
So well, in search of a new vehicle to steal
because they haven't done enough, Charles and Carrol happened upon
Merle call is them. I just want to make sure
this lasting, right. So, Merle was a thirty four year
old traveling shoe salesman who was taking a nap and

(36:09):
his buick on the side of the highway near Douglas, Wyoming,
which I guess you one does, to just pop over
the side of the road to take a nap, lest
fur then falling asleep when you're driving. It's true. Yeah,
both give me major anxiety. So I would just be
an anxious wreck for doing both, all right, So, like
I said, they were in search of a new car,

(36:30):
happened upon Merle Collison, who was a traveling salesman taking
a nap in his car. Charles claims that it was
Carol who shot and killed Merle after his shotgun jammed.
That's the only possible lake in his storyline that because
she would have to have her own gun for that
to happen. But I didn't see any mention of her

(36:52):
rabbing her own fire arm anything, So right, I.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Was just thinking it would seem like that would be
in some of the reports.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. So unless
they like through her gun off the window, or did
they steal one from one of the houses, you know
what I mean? Like, who knows it actually happened. So
Charles said that Carol was quote the most trigger happy
person that he knew, again, trying to like blame a child,
blame a thirteen year old child that he kidnapped and

(37:20):
murdered her whole family, as if she was the one
that did it, right, Okay, So Carol of course denies
any involvement, like she has in all of the previous murders.
Unfortunately for these vile ass hats, I guess more Charles
than Carol. The buick that they were trying to steal
had a brand new parking break installed, and Charles didn't

(37:41):
know how to disengage it, causing the vehicle to stall
out as they tried to pull away. Okay, is it
is a funny thing like a parking break? Is what's
going to be his downfall? Right? So Charles then attempted
to restart the engine when they were noticed by Joey Sprinkle,
a passer by Joey Sprinkle, Yes, I knew what I saw.

(38:05):
His name of Chottle of that one, Pop fun Bush
and Joey Sprinkle honestly iconic names. So Joe Sprinkle was
someone who was just passing by and saw the couple
or the pair and stopped help. But Charles of course
immediately threatened Joe with his rifle, causing an altercation between

(38:26):
the two. In the commotion of the fight with Joe,
Charles didn't see Arturna County Sheriff's deputy William Romer pull up,
giving Carol the opportunity to run over to the deputy,
crying and saying something along along the lines of it's
dark weather, He's going to kill me. But good old
Charles somehow managed to break free of the altercation and

(38:46):
drive off before the deputy could get to him. So
he somehow managed to work the new parking break and yeah,
so like somehow he got to he broke free, hopped
in the car, somehow quickly figured out the break. Apparently
his brain is like and the more panic you're and
the easier things are to do. Unfortunately, I mean it's
got it's good and bad. It helps in situations, but

(39:08):
also some not so much. Right. So Charles then led
a chase involving at least three police officers, reaching speeds
higher than one hundred miles per hour. I didn't know
cars google that fast. I thought the same thing. Yeah,
I was like, I didn't. I thought it was like
forty five chops, we're in the fifties now, like the right,
We're in like the late fifties, so yeah, that makes sense.

(39:31):
We're still thinking like nineteen twenty okay. But yeah, he
was trying to get away with haste. Okay, So one
officer must have had enough because he started firing shots
into the car Charles was running away in, and none

(39:52):
of the bullets themselves struck Charles, but they did strike
the windshield, shattering it and this scent glass all over Charles,
and then some of it cut him. So one article
said it only cut his ear, but the side of
his own blood must have been enough because he cut
off the chase and surrendered to police. And that was
on January twenty ninth, nineteen fifty eight. So like, I

(40:13):
can murder all of these people, but I get a
nick on my ear from a piece of glass, and
I am take me to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, So that's something that I do remember about this case.
And it was like some speculation of like did he
think that he got shot? And then he was like,
oh wow, oh, oh my gosh, is that what I've
been doing? All these people like maybe not that I
think that he was worried about what he did all
the other people, just that for himself.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, Yeah, he was clearly concerned with the cut on
his ear. That and the amount of blood, which, like
any headwinds, bleed a fuckten anyways, So I the way
I picture it and the way I hope it was
is that it was the tiniest subscrapes on his ear
and that he turned himself in for it, Yeah, because
essentially that's what I'm picturing. So one of the arresting

(40:57):
officers recalled quote, he thought he was bleeding to death,
That's why he stopped. That's the kind of yellow son
of a bitch he is, which is a nineteen fifties quote.
So Charles promptly confessed to the ten murders between January
twenty first through the twenty ninth, as well as the

(41:19):
murder of Robert Colvert, a gas station attended the month
prior even willing to agree to be extradited from Wyoming
to Nebraska. So Charles incorrectly believed that the governor at
the time was against execution, but he made an exception
for Charles. Oh so yeah, So apparently he was against execution,

(41:39):
but not for Charles because he just went on in
a murder spring and filled eleven people. So the pair
were tried separately, and this I didn't I didn't get
a chance to look into why, but they only charged
both of them with first degree murder for Robert Jensen,
who was one of the teens that had stopped to
help them. I didn't really see any clear information on

(42:03):
like why they chose just him. I don't know if
it's just they had enough evidence for that one. We
probably also because they didn't want to try all of
them at once, and then if one didn't, you know,
if it didn't go through, then like yeah, then they
can try them for because he'd he shouldn't kill a
fuck ton of people, right, Yeah, So this is kind
of how I figured it was. So, like I said,

(42:24):
they were bothrayed separately. At Charles's trial, he changed story
many times, first claiming that Carol was there or wasn't
there at all then that she was willing to participate him,
and I guess even got to the point where his
defensive attorney was like attempting to argue for legal insanity
because his story was just so all over the place.

(42:45):
She wasn't there, she was there, she participated, she didn't participate,
you know what I mean, Like, so there wasn't But
nonetheless he did obviously say, you know that he murdered
all of these people. So after they spree that Charles
went on none of the juries, they didn't for his bullshit. Okay,
I think my put call in set a fall and
that very much confused me. So Charles was found guilty

(43:08):
and convicted of murder, and he was sentenced to death.
And on June twenty fifth, nineteen fifty nine, so like
not even a year later, Charles was put to death
by electric chair Nebraska. Okay, he of course claimed that
Carol should meet the same fate like before he was
in his mind they were like in it together from

(43:29):
the beginning. Yeah, okay, So Carol was also sent to
trial for the same murder. Like I said for Robert Jensen.
At the trial, the prosecution of course casts Carroll as
a willing participant and accomplice in all ten of the murders.
They could argue about the other murders even though they
hadn't been convicted of them. I don't know, maybe that's

(43:49):
sometimes they do that. Sometimes they agree to let The
trial part was super detailed, as they normally are. It's
normally like you get all of this information and then
they went to jail. So they did. Either way, they
whether it was for all of them or whether they
were talking about all of them or or just this one.
They were still trying to cast her as a willing

(44:11):
participant and an accomplice for all of it or for that.
So they also claimed Carol had many opportunities to run
from Charles but never did. But like she was clearly groomed,
she was thirteen. She was definitely clearly groomed from a
young age.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
But I earlier when you said she got out of
the car and ran to the cops and said it's
dark weather, he's going to kill me, ball or whatever,
I was like, whether or not I'm right or wrong
in thinking this. My first thoughts to that was, where
was that energy when the cops came to your house
and when your grandma.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Came to your house and when you're you know what
I mean. But I don't know. I'm sure I wasn't
there for the house situation. I'm purely speculation my own
thoughts on it. I would assume at that point she
knew that her family was murdered in the backyard, so
she was worried about the same fate for or the
other family members coming to there, you know what I mean,
because clearly he has no regard for anything, right, So

(45:06):
that's in that instance, that's kind of how I see it, like, oh,
I don't want to but the police were there. The
police weren't there until after they had already left.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I thought the police came, no so and didn't find anything.
And then Bob von Bush came and found the bodies
in the.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Right So yeah, so the police. So grandma came, tried
to visit, was turned away. I don't know how many
times she then called the cops. So I'm the way
I took it was they felt it later, or Charles
probably felt like, Okay, we can't stay here much longer.
Too many people keep popping up, and they ran before
police could.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh okay, I'm sorry. I understood that too when you
first went through that.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Oh, like, no, they were not there, for they were there.
So they were there when family was coming to right,
trying to stop by. And I don't know whether it
was something the grandma said at the last time she
stopped by.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Too many people are stopping by, We got it. I
mean that totally makes no more sense. Okay, never mind.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So that's kind of how I took that part of it,
or that you know, situation, right. But then like again,
where you got to think in the mindset of a
thirteen year old probably just trying to survive this whole
situation while seeing the person that she's with, like just
with no regard killing anybody in front of them, so

(46:21):
I and anything, because yeah too, So like I can't
really who am I to say, Oh, but he turned
his back for fifteen minutes, why didn't you run? Then?
You know what I mean? Like because clearly he was
an insane person because he had a gun the whole time,
right exactly. So. Carol claimed her innocence throughout her trial,
claiming to be Charles's hostage not partner in crime, which

(46:44):
I don't know. I kind of leaned towards one article
said Carol even claimed to have broken an off with
Charles the weekend prior to the spree. I was hoping
I got this in here because I was almost just
at it earlier. But I'm like, I know, I put
it in there. It's so I waited. So she went
on to say that she came home to find Charles

(47:05):
there when he told her that if she didn't do
what he said, he would kill the family. So the
family was already dead according to her story, right, yeah, okay,
Well then him stopping by the house makes way more sense. Yeah, yeah,
to say I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Because if she was like, I'm not seeing you anymore
and then he's like, oh yeah, yeah, you know what
I mean, Like that makes way more sense as to
why he would stop by the house. Yeah, and then
she oh, I'll go talk to her parents and try.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
To smooth things over, and I will go talk to
my thirteen year old's victims. Yeah, I don't think of
the word okay, all right, So the judge and jury
did not see Carol as a thirteen year old victim
that she was, though they saw her as an active
participant in the spree killings. She was the youngest person
to be tried for first degree murder at this time.

(47:49):
Carol was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison,
but in nineteen seventy three, the Nebraska Board of Pardons
commuted Carol's sentence of thirty to fifty years, making her
eligible for parole. Okay, and just three years later Carol
was paroled after being considered a model citizen. And in

(48:10):
two thousand and seven she also changed her name, okay,
because I would assume after that that you don't want
the same last name. And then in two thousand and
seven Carol married Frederick Claire, but sadly, in August of
twenty thirteen, Frederick died after the couple was in a

(48:31):
single car accident in Michigan. And in twenty twenty, Carol
had applied to have her crimes, or the ones that
she was charged with completely pardoned to alleviate the burden
of being known as a convicted killer. That was denied
as well. Okay, it's something about it was too broad

(48:52):
of a crime charges or something like that. I don't
know it was. They denied her for whatever. So Carol
of course made her innocence and that's where this shitty
he sends she's still alive, I think so, yeah, okay, yeah,
So do we think that she had any role or
any or do we just think that she was a

(49:15):
victim throughout?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
And I mean, I don't know any middle schoolers that
are like evil masterminds first of all, right, I think
being groomed from that young age, and like, also, you're
in a time where like kids were definitely more compliant
to adult.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Figures, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
And if she had broken it off with him, right, like,
I don't want to. I want to be thirteen and
right be a child and you're an angry man with
my stuffed animals, right, I think that him showing up
to the house which started the whole spree makes way
more sense. Yeah, and even if she was in the

(49:56):
home when that happened or came home in the middle
of it, right, from whatever, I don't think that she's
like a partner in crime.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Right, Yeah, That's how I feel about it.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
And I would like to know exactly when it was
argued she had the opportunity to safely leave. If it's
while they were in the house alone together, you're wrong
because he had a gun. If it's when they were
leaving the house and getting into the car and going
to August's house.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Right, well, guess what you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
If it's when they were at august house, guess what
you're wrong, because she was afraid of a ghost also allegedly.
I think if it was when they were when would
the next davy when they're killing the teenage couple in
the storm cellar? Is it when they when Charles had
a gun? Then to Charles had a gun, he was
killing a maid. She's watching him kill all of these adults,

(50:44):
and when you're thirteen adults are like, yeah, I'm not
super Man. Helped me with the word unable to have
you seen?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
But you know, like you look at think about well
you just like you'd see them as a higher authority
or like you know, they're like they're stronger, like they
are the help and you're seeing him kill the help.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Like I I don't think I can't really think of
any time during that, especially now that I understand the
timeline of the very beginning that the cops were knocking
on the door while they were there, I am like
failing to find.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
That's how I felt, too, is that it's a that's
a shitty assumption too, because again, like even just being like,
if I'm at a store and somebody starts acting crazy,
there are a ton of other people around, I can
quickly leave. But if they were directing that crazy at
me and I try to leave, I'm gonna end up

(51:49):
her or assaulted. Yeah, it's really scary trying to leave
a scary situation like that. Yeah. So, yeah, there were,
of course, you know, books and movies and shows based
off of use case, But yeah, I don't from what
I have seen and researched, I don't. I couldn't say

(52:10):
that I thought that she was a willing participant. I
think she was trying to survive the situation that she
was in. Yeah, I agree. I don't know, And I
just keep thinking about like, because my kids are all
about that age. Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy to be that.
I think that was the Like they clearly were looking
at her as also an adult when she was very
much a child, which is very much of the time

(52:32):
I get. But even if she was an eighteen year
old trying and she comes home to find her family
dead and her possible ex quote boyfriend, you know, sitting
there with a gun, like that's she's you're still yeah,
she's still in danger there, right, I don't know it's or.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Did they say, well, if she had a gun that
one time, then they both had guns and she could
have left, but like, right, but then said thirteen year
old with a gun and did she.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Actually have one or did did she actually just say
that because he felt like they were in it together
when she was literally just trying to survive him. Right,
So that is the really shitty case that I just
told you this week. No thanks, this pre killer of
Charles Starkweather, what would you home? I would call him
a pre killer, right because there was a bunch in

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just a short period of time. So yeah, so my
sources are. There was a medium dot com article by
Mintasha Lee. There were two Wikipedia articles. I don't I
don't think I actually use them, but I always include
them just in case. History dot Nebraska dot gov had
an article. A TV had an article by Sarah Kilter

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all this interesting. There were two different articles won by
Marco Gorif Top Beautiful and Katie Serena. That's the shitty
case of the week, And it was a very shitty one,
but you told it well except for the police part
at the beginning or whatever, except you did well, except
when you did Yeah, that's that's crazy. And so she

(54:07):
was tried as an adult at thirteen. It didn't say
just that she was charged with She had to been
if she got life right right his kids. I don't
know what nineteen fifties laws were. I don't I really
know what today's laws are. Yeah, so either way they
I think it's in whether she did anything or not.

(54:30):
A guilty by association. Yeah, because she was present doesn't
mean she participated, but she was present and that was
enough for judge and jury to be like because of
how heinous all of the crimes were, like she had
there's no way she couldn't have been connected. If she
went through with or you know, was with, he would
have killed her if right, exactly whatever, So yeah, I

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think I think the tantrum started when she.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Broke up with him and then he went to her house.
I think that makes it doesn't matter which and then
so right from the very beginning, her story is the one.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
That makes the most man of sense. And yeah, so
that's how I thought too. It was it was he
just really was a chaotic person and he reaped a
lot of habit on everybody. Yeah, wait, well what do
I do now? My brain as much What do I

(55:26):
do now? What a terrible recording session we've had.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I guess that is because we've already done the socials.
Oh everybody, Hi, please, for the love of God, wash
your fucking water bottle. Take all of the parts, take
all the parts apart. Yes, just do that so that
you're not drinking mold. You're welcome, but that's all we
have for this week. Thanks for listening, Kay bye.