83. A Mistress with a Hit List

In this weeks episode Talysa tells us about an affair that has gone awry, a mistress with a hit list. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
And I'm Sarah. Welcome to the Ship Show, a half
asked true crime podcast. Sarah just started this by telling
me it was okay to start speaking with finger guns.
I think that's all I ever do you?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, because I'm still a child, So I mean, who
doesn't like finger guns?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
All? All right, let's start over. Hi, welcome to this week.
We're recording late yep, because well it's partially because I
had a weird work schedule this week, but the other
part of it is also that I ditched the planned
recording day to go to a Shania Twin concert. And
I do not fault you for that. It was a

(00:46):
good time, but I got covered in poison IVY.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
How is the venue? Was it like handicapped friendly?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Do you mean like could you walk there?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Like?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Am I going to pass out? As they're seating? They
were seating, you could run. I don't know if you
could bring your own launchairs because we had lawn seats,
but there was seats that you could buy, but the like,
it was a small venue, so the lawn seats were
doable and you can rent chairs if you didn't bring one.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Okay, I'm still probably never going, but okay.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I wanted Sarah to go with me, but she wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I I was very worried about passing out because it
was supposed to be really warm that day, and Hi, Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I don't like to leave sid, I don't leave, I
stay home.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
But yeah, so anything eventple happened at the concert.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I got poison ivy.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah that's very unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah it's not great, but I'm still glad I went.
I'm glad you went too. I don't even know. I
don't know what today is. I don't know what yesterday was,
today's Monday. It's my last two weeks have just kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Flown by and been as slow as fuck at the
same time, and you know, I know we're I'm probably
gonna be like not as consistent with some stuff when
it comes to this because somebody very close to me
just got diagnosed with a very rare and aggressive form

(02:13):
of cancer. So you know, I'm going to be out,
you know, helping with that a lot. So That's where
I've been at and I'm kind of a mess. So
I don't have my career about it either.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
So so to recap we are a weekly recording, Yes,
because of shitty life circumstances. I'm still blaming the divorce,
the move and all of my jobs and a Shade
Twin concert.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
The Additionatey Twain concert was worth it, sorry to our listeners,
but it No, it was definitely worth it. I just
I think my biggest concern that we said before we
started recording was that you've seen all the fail like
videos of her concerts, and I was so scared that, like,

(03:03):
if I committed to something like that right and then
it sucked, I would be so heart was it was.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
It last yearly or before that? Like on TikTok it
was like she had pink hair and was, yeah, do
another stuff. I don't really know. No, this was like normal, Yeah,
exactly what I exactly what I wanted, exactly what I needed.
I shout saying all of it.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I am slightly tell us, No, it was a great time.
I don't have fear missing out, but now I have regrets.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
But yeah, it's I got.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I had an eye appointment today and when the doctor
brought me back to see me, he's like, oh, you know,
what are you And for him, like, well, just my
yearly check up, you know, make sure my eyes are okay.
He's like, he looked at the computer and then looked
back at me, and he's like, give me a year
and a half.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Excuse me, sir, I've been busy. Why so much sad?
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:52):
She said, okay, thanks for calling me out. Yeah, and
then he's like, are you taking.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Your contact out regularly? And I'm like, yeah, every night.
He's like, then, how are they last stay as long
as they've lasted? Order us some offline too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think this is the first time I ever went
to an appointment and didn't text you to ask about
my glasses.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
So hopefully that I was a surprise. I didn't know
you were going.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
They didn't really have a ton of selection this time,
and I just so I just grabbed. I'm pretty sure
one of the ones I grabbed or you already have,
so I have like from like three years ago. But
my prescription did change a little bit, so I can't,
you know, like at our change them. So before te
Lisa jumps into her case, I will go ahead and
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I said that, share us with friends and family. We

(05:09):
are a family podcast. No, we're not.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
One of my Facebook friends posted the other day they
were asking for podcasts or true crime podcast recommendations for
their girls car because it was her and her two
daughters and that card I did not recommend us.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I swear too much for two little girls to listen.
Oh my gosh, that just rounded me. I think we've
talked about this before, because I think this is not
the first time I've listened to this. But I was
listening to a story about a murder, obviously, because it's
what I that's how I spend my time the tracks.
But the victim's sister was named Talsa, no shit, and

(05:51):
I have never met of anybody met of met anybody
with my name, heard of it ever, whatever, So every
time they said Talise on this podcast, I like jumped
in and I was like, what the fuck. And then I
was like is this what Sarah feels like? Or somebody
we had a more normal name whenever they hear.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Literally at my appointment today, I was out waiting for
them to check me out, and there was another Sarah
in the back being called, and I'm like, wait, did
they forget something? And then I realized it just it
wasn't It wasn't for you. No, I've never had that
experience before. Usually if it's hey, Lisa, it's.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Me right Hi. You finally got to experience. It was
so exciting. It was like the closest thing I've had.
I've ever had to getting a personalized It literally was
thinking that was it spelled the same? I don't think so.
I think it was t a l I say, but
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, did you email? And he like, hey, can we
be friends? We have name like the same name.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, this case happened in the eighties. I think I
just kidding you. I don't know that took a turn.
It did. Okay, I have not yet named this episode
because I'm like, behind, let's just say, I guess I'm
going to tell you about an affair.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, I don't even remember, Like I again, these last
two weeks have been. I don't even I don't know
what it is. Did you tell me what it was
going to be? I don't think so, okay, I like
struggling through getting this done, so.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I've I don't know, all right, do you tell all right,
let's do it, okay. Seven in the morning on February eleventh,
twenty ten, a man drove into a fancy pants community
of Houston, Texas named bel Air. He turned onto South
Street and stopped in front of a two story, five
bedroom house owned by Jeffrey Stern and his wife, Yvonne.

(07:38):
Jeffrey was a pretty successful personal injury lawyer, and he
and Yvonne had a fourteen year old daughter and a
twelve year old son. So they are like Yvonne's fifty two,
Jeffrey's fifty four.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Oh so they had kids a little bit later. I
feel like that's more what it is now. It is
definitely normal. But no, I'm from the Midwest, so no,
if I if I didn't pop out a kid by
the time I did, there's something we'd beat something maybe wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
She was twenty one. I wasn't even old. I'm sorry anyway.
The driver of the car took out a handgun and
fired two shots at the house. One went through the
living room window, and then the man drove away. Jeffrey
was out of town, but Yvonne and the kids were
sleeping upstairs. She was Yvanne was wearing earplugs and didn't
hear anything, okay, which, like, ma'am, I mean, some people

(08:26):
don't even need earplugs to sleep through a literal fucking tornado.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
True, I have to have like a fan on, like
all the povy pitch black'd.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Be completely perfect. Her daughter was awakened briefly, but she
thought that a painting had fallen from the wall. Like
just I don't know, toto teenagers. I love that.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm assuming that. She didn't get up to check. No,
just like went back to sleep, right.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
The neighbors did hear the gunshots, because they're like us, no,
and they called the police. The the Starns were completely
bewildered when officers arrived at their house because hyatts the
middle of the night, okay. All they could imagine, they said,
was that maybe some teenagers from another neighborhood had shot
at their house as part of a prank drive by.

(09:12):
And I wrote, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
What kids are just going around shooting at people's houses.
That's not a normal occurrence, no, right, and especially like.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
They're in a like I would assume being in like
a wealthier neighborhood that would be more shocking. But they
were just like, Okay, well that was weird the tracks. Yeah,
this Texas, right, it is Texas. Two months later, at
ten thirty e at night, another man with a gun
drove to bel Air. He got out of his van,
walked up to the Stern's house and rang the doorbell

(09:43):
at ten thirty at night. Nobody's answering that the man
saw her through the glass pane, smiled, pulled out a
gun and fired at her. Jesus christ Yvann moved out
of the way like just in time, and the bullet
missed her and her son by inches. The man sprinted
to his van and sped away. Guys, don't enter your
door to night. No, then that's why we have not
that I'm like victim. That sounded victim, blame me, no.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
No to yourself safe as well, just door.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
So, once again police were unable to find any leads.
Jeffrey hired a security company to install bulletproof glass in
the windows, put up iron gates, around the front door,
set up surveillance cameras, and put floodlights on the roof.
I guess. He also bought a German Shepherd slid solid choice.
He also bought a Toyota Sequoia and arranged to have

(10:34):
armored plates installed. That seems extreme, but okay, but you
have somebody actively shooting at your family, I guess we
just play a hideout. Is this Sequoia a van? Yeah,
that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I'm like, wait, a person like the truck of No,
that's a Tacoma rights. I'm pretty positive that is a van.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
He even hired a former Navy seal to teach the
family how to respond if another gunman came around. Okay,
which the guy was probably like, don't answer the door,
attend right.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Let's start there. Also, why are we letting the wife
go to the door, Well, letting.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Listen. I got married for a reason, and it's to
not do the scary shit. I'm yelling. I'm sorry, I'm yelling.
What why are you yelling at me? He even had
a private investigator help the police try to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
We are not We're taking this very seriously and we're
gonna figure it the fuck.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Out because police and Jeffrey's private investigators investigator. To my knowledge,
there was only one believed Yvonne was the target of
the last shooting. The couple decided that it might be
safer if she secretly moved into a luxury apartment a
few miles away called the Maritage. I think the kids
went with her. Not sure.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
How was it safer to move her out of the
home that we just prepared.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's a very good point, this.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Like, oh, let's put you away alone so they can
go find you there where there's no fucking you.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I didn't really think about that. I was like, okay, so,
but she was, I mean really and I don't know
if I say this later, I don't. Oh, we were
talking about Sorry, we had to take a quick break
about how moving her to the Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, moving her to the apartment seemed like a not
smart one.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think she was kind of going back and forth. Ftcha,
I don't know, Okay. On the morning of May fifth,
Yvonne took the elevator from her apartment down to the
Maritages parking parking garage. Wow. That was in New England,
missing our whoa. She was headed to her friend's house
who had invited her to meet a California jewelry designer

(12:36):
who had flown to Houston to show off his latest collection.
These people were rich in fancy, I guess, so I
would never make it. Okay. A man wearing silver aviator glasses,
a black jacket and a black turtleneck was waiting for her.
That's the jewelry person, no, although I could see that

(12:57):
being the outfit of He aimed a gun at Yvonne
and shouted, give me your fucking money or I'll kill you. Frantic,
she held up her purse and turned it upside down,
and the man shot her in the stomach. Other places
say that she might have been in her car, ok So,
I don't know if she was in or out of
her car next to it. Whatever, the bullet clipped her

(13:18):
liver in colon and lodged in her right hip. She
managed to drive to a nearby Syco station, stumbled inside,
and collapsed lying on the floor. She actually got her
phone out and texted Jeffrey and said I've been shot. Okay.
Jeffrey ran out of his office, got into his black
Maserati and raced to the gas station, arriving just in

(13:39):
time to see his wife being loaded into an ambulance
for the third time. With no suspects or solid leads,
the investigation hit a dead end. I thought this was
an affair. Oh, we just haven't gotten there yet, she says, crazy.
Did she make it? Hold? Please? Okay, we're not at
that part of the store yet, Sarah, my brain needs
to be there that. On May twenty seventh, detectives received

(13:59):
a phone call from a man who is waiting deportation
at an ice facility. He had seen pictures of Yvonne
on the news and just so happened that he knew
all about the plot to murder her, and he would
be happy to share it and talk about it if
he could just pretty please stay in the United States. Okay,

(14:20):
so he told friends. Nope, he told detectives that a
childhood friend named Richard Gutierrez had approached him weeks earlier
and asked him if he knew want to murder somebody? Yeah,
as friends, do you know, Detective trekdown gutierras he worked
for a record service, and he just started talking about

(14:43):
this woman named Michelle Geiser, who worked as an office
manager of a small law firm in Houston since January.
He said, she'd been asking him to recruit hit men
to kill Yvonne Stern. She never gave any indication like
how she knew Yvonne or why she wanted her dad,
but she was determined to have her killed. Richard said
that she told him that she would pay twenty thousand

(15:06):
dollars for a successful hit. Jesus. So they're like, okay,
so yeah, we got to get in a resta warrant
and all that stuff. They went to Michelle's office and
they arrived just as she was walking out of a meeting.
So she's like in her late thirties. Okay. They stopped
and kind of just like, oh my god, stared because

(15:26):
the man standing behind her was Jeffrey Sturn. This is
the affair part, okay.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
So the law office that she managed is his law office.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yes, but not the big successful one, oh okay, Okay,
So let's talk about Jeffrey. Jeffrey was raised in a
strict Jewish household in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where his father owned
a chain of liquor stores. After college, he went to
Houston to attend the South Texas College of Law, and
in nineteen eighty two, a friend set him up on
a blind date with Yvonne Flores. She worked as a

(15:57):
paralegal for a pen and law firm, was raised in
Houston's North Side, and she was a single mother who
had recently divorced her high school sweetheart. But Givonne said
that with Jeffrey it was just love at first sight.
To please him and his parents, she decided to convert
to Judaism, and in nineteen ninety one, Jeffrey proposed her

(16:18):
over dinner at the Rainbow Room in New York City,
and they were married in Milwaukee four months later.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I wonder, but were they practicing? Maybe that's it, maybe
like you need to identify this, but we don't actually
really practice.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And why do you have to identify as these are
things I don't understand. So by then, Jeffrey's law practice
had kind of taken off. He wasn't as famous as
like so, but he was making a small fortune, working
mostly with clients who had been in car accidents. The
state bar and rival attorneys periodically accused Jeffrey violating the

(16:56):
rules of professional conduct by aggressively recruiting potential pay patients.
No potential clients because he's a lawyer, not a doctor,
and I wrote clients. Why did I say patients? I
don't know. He was never reprimanded or successfully sued for
this though, so I don't know. He was just like,
I don't know what the rules are for recruiting clients,
but apparently I don't know, like popped out from undneath

(17:18):
their car sick. He used his earnings to buy a
mansion in the Piney Point Village area of Houston, and
they filled it with French and English antiques and had
like fancy old paintings in the living room and just
living a life that I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I was gonna call it them pretentious, but that's just
really shoody of me.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
The Sterns had two children in nineteen eighty five and
nineteen ninety seven, and a few years later decided to
move to bell Air, which was only six miles away,
so they could be closer to their synagogue and the
kids private Jewish school.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh so they were practicing. Okay, yeah, if you was
just what happened to her kid from her first marriage,
didn't you say she had.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
To know if he was like older, Okay, doesn't play
a role in Okay, any of it. What happened to
what happened to the first kid, He just disappeared. Jeffrey
found a home on a street that was full of kids.
He always attended his kids' sporting events, school programs, and
no matter how much work he had to do, he
was home in time for family dinner. So like a

(18:25):
really involved dad. He also treated Yvonne's son from her
first marriage with the same kind of affection whatever the
situation was, so they were still still involved. Yeah. The
Sterns gave generously to charities and helped the victims of
child abuse and domestic battery. They gave a Houston orphanage
more than a hundred bikes, almost had a million bikes.

(18:46):
I'm having a breakdown. They even coordinated a bone marrow
drive for a friend who was suffering from leukemia, and
regularly volunteered at the a Ashell House, which provided rent
free apartments, kosher meala, and supplies for families who came
to Houston to be treated at the Texas Medical Center.
Good people then, Yeah, very involved in like they had

(19:07):
money and resources, but they gave back to their community.
Their friends would adamantly say that if there were signs
that the Stearns' marriage had problems, they never saw it.
Their friends adamantly declared that if there were any signs
that the Stearns' marriage had problems, they never saw it.
They would recall how Jeffrey and Yvonn were so compatible

(19:27):
that they would finish other's sentences, and how Jeffrey had
a neck for knowing when Yvonne wanted a doctor Pepper
before she even asked for it, which is probably like always.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean, especially back then, wants a doctor pepper
back then. I don't know the last time I've had
a doctor pepper, though, I don't.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I just don't feel like it'll be the same, not
that I'm an adults. I had it was a weird
flavored doctor pepper that I put rumen. Oh yeah, that
was really good. Okay, I did do that, so I
guess that probably can Does that count if it's a
strawberry cream one or whatever, it's not a true doctor pepper.
So he had the magic to know when she wanted
a doctor member. Yes, no one knew that Jeffrey was

(20:03):
actually having an affair since two thousand and eight with
Michelle Geyser, so about two years.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, well, I guess if she's in your office, that's how.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
You have time. I mean, I think that's when they
officially started like banging.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Now we need the visual for you because too weird
hand motion.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Sorry I'm in a weird move right now. Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
So.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Michelle Geyser was born in the Philippines in nineteen seventy two.
She was twelve years old when she moved to Houston
with her mother and siblings to join their father, who
had arrived several years several years earlier, to work as
an accountant for an oil company. After high school, she
was hired by a personal injury law firm to be
their receptionist. Eventually, she went to work for other personal

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injury lawyers as an office manager, where she met clients,
made sure their medical reports were complete, and wrote demand
letters to insurance companies. Since sound fire, it doesn't it
sounds terrible. Michelle's colleagues described her as pleasant, incompetent, and competent, okay,
which I think that's like I feel backhanded, doesn't it? Okay?

(21:10):
So I think, like, first of all, no one is
calling me either of those. I am competent and like
hmm you say, like t Lisa's funny and gets shit
done right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
No, If they were saying competent, it's I don't like
this person and she's she does it.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
They said that she was well spoken, well mannered, and
always professionally dressed. Also things that would never be said
about me. Okay. Because her pay was based partly on
the number of cases she settled with the insurance companies,
she put in long hours at the office. After the
death of her father in two thousand and five, she
began supporting her family, who lived with her in her

(21:49):
three bedroom home. She was responsible for two carloans and
helped pay for her brother in college's Nope, her brother
and sister's college tuition. Wow, okay, which.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Is a lot.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
She dated allegedly a number of men, whatever that means.
We're here, We're not here to judge, but she never married.
One of Jeffrey's close friends said that he met Michelle
like a decade before all this happened, and said she
was very flirty and asked him out for a drink,
which I think is fine. Another lawyer told this guy

(22:21):
to be careful because bitches be crazy though, which is
like already married though I don't know it was the
Jeffrey's friend married. It didn't sound like it, just like
she was like, no, no, I said she was hitting
on jeff No, this is Jeffrey's friend saying like, oh,
I met Michelle a while ago. Okay, she was super
flirty and asked me out for drink. Can you imagine

(22:42):
a woman asking a man out for a drink? My god,
shut the fuck up. And this other guy's like, hey,
watch out, she's insane. Which are things that have been
said about me?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
The fucking I see. I completely misunderstood. And for some reason,
I thought you said that she was hitting on Jeffrey
and I was like that, and then You're like, oh,
what's wrong with that?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And I'm like, oh, so high what?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
But yeah, if it's a friend, then what a fucking weirdo.
He's the weirdo, not her like that. It seems totally normal.
I don't know. Yeah, there's nothing really showing that she
had any issues prior to meeting Jeffrey. Okay, like right,
actually being bitch, just be crazy. Yeah, just that she

(23:27):
had the audacity to ask a man out for her drink.
The confidence is too much with men. Michelle met Jeffrey
in the late nineties when he came into the law
room that she worked at. I guess they would sometimes
refer cases to his firm or something, Okay, something wary.
He tried to pursue her by sending her tickets to
sports ball games and stuff like that sports ball game,

(23:48):
I brought that for you. Okay, they said, like the
name of some team, and I was like, I don't
I could look it up to see what this is
baseball maybe because that's what Sarah says to me.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, which is funny because I'm not actually like totally
illiterate when it comes to sports, but.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
It's just the running joke. Yeah, if I'm watching hockey,
she asked, how many touchdowns my team has I do?
Just because I'm so funny. I insert laughter here, laugh track.
In two thousand and four, she broke up with a
boyfriend and then started taking Jeffrey up on his offers
to meet up for lunch and drinks. Jeffrey, you fucking whore.
She said that he sent expensive gifts like diamond hoop

(24:28):
earrings and tried to pay off her credit cards and
offered to buy her a new car.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Okay, I'm not mad at her for like inn shit, paid,
but like Jeffrey, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Okay then, and this is according to Michelle, like this
part is like Michelle's take on it. Jeffrey let her
know that she was no that he was going to
Las Vegas with his son, and this was going to
be at the same time that she was going to
Las Vegas coincidence. He came to her hotel room one
night and they what did you call it? They rolled

(24:58):
in the buckwheat. I have used that expression before. They
banged for the first time. On that trip. Michelle said
that she saw a maserati at a dealership that she
said was beautiful, and Jeffrey bought it for himself on
the spot and had it shipped back to Houston.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
You think it's cool, I'm gonna buy it over myself.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, what a dude?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
What do Why shouldn't be a fucking victim in this?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
And I'm just an asshole. I'm not gonna say anything
at all. I'm not ruining my own story halfway through? Okay.
They were soon meeting up for the banging at hotels
and at each other's offices and at Jeffrey's home when
Yvonne and the kids were away. What a sick fuck.
He told Michelle that he didn't love Yvonne and claimed
that she had cheated on him, that he did his

(25:47):
own thing, che did hers, and they were only together
for the kids. For the kids, Sarah, you should stay together. No,
the fuck you should for the kids.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Best thing my parents ever did get divorced. But even still,
it's not like they discussed, from what I'm gathering, an
open relationship, which is what he says there have. But
it's not an open relationship if it's just you cheating.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, that's not really how that works.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's up. So I'm trying to They talked about open
relationships on one of the reality TV shows I watch,
and they kept calling it something else.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I can't remember what it was.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, no, it was like, what is that consensual cheating? Basically?
I mean basically, but they kept saying it was consensual whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I'm like, just stop it. Michelle and Jeffrey would talk
on the phone after his family went to bed about
his fantasies. Insert what's your fantasy by ludicrous here.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I and started a lump in my throat because I
didn't want to think about Jeff's fantasies.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That's unterrible. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
No, I felt like throwing up. As soon as you
said Jeff's fantasy.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
These conversations would start, you know, like run of the mill, gross,
vanilla white eye stuff. Probably I don't know. This guy
pisses me off. So I had kind of the same reaction.
I got to that. I was like, what are his fantasies?
Like some probably very the most vanilla thing. I don't
be pete on. Somebody out there's like, but I like
to get pete on. Anyway. Then it turned into kind

(27:26):
of a weird thing where he was like, oh, yeah,
it would be really hot if she caught us, Jeffrey Michelle,
if Yvonne caught Jeffrey. Michelle fantasized about that, and then
he asked her to imagine fighting Yvonne, and later phone
calls he pushed Michelle to talk about dragging Yvonne down
the stairs, pulling her by the hair, and then killing her.
Jesus Christ, according to Michelle, just fucking divorce. What in

(27:52):
the that's wild?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Like you can you can grow out of love or not,
Like I want to be with your wife anymore? Cool,
that's fine, Get a fucking divorce and don't involve her
in it anymore, like you don't have to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Also, imasure being on the phone, right, I know I was,
and like having that conversation. I'd be like, I have
to Oh, what's that mom? Mommy needs the phone? Okay,
click and then pick the phone back up and be
like hello, nine one one. I would like to report
a crime. The crime is I had to hear it.
That's the crime that is wild. She claimed that by

(28:30):
you know, after their refair had been going on for
a little while, Jeffrey controlled almost every aspect of her life.
He not only paid all of her bills, but told
her what to eat, what kind of clothes to wear,
how to do her hair like he preferred it straight.
She said that he opened a small law firm at
the edge of bel Air under another lawyer's name and
had her run the office.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
And that's where the police were like, hey, okay, that's
a lot to go through just so you can continue
fucking your secretary.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That is a lot to go through. And she wasn't
his secretary when they started fucking. She was somebody else's
what's the saying. If he wanted to, he would. He
also had her move out of the house where her
family lived, and into a townhouse that he rented near
his office so they can meet up whenever he wanted.

(29:20):
Imagine somebody trying to tell you what the fuck to eat.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I'm sorry, still.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Holding on to the house. Answers like I have some
kind of defiance disorder over like that's not gonna okay.
So then Michelle claimed that Jeffrey was so controlling that
when he was like, hey, I need you to find
someone to kill my wife, she was like, yeah, I'm
obviously brainwashed or something. No problem, I will one thousand
percent do that. That's that's that's not how wow that works.

(29:49):
What do you mean like if you were if you're brainwashed,
you're not gonna know that your brain Well, she didn't
really say she was brainwashed. That's just me, okay. She
was like, he's so controlling that he said find someone
to kill my wife, and I just did it. And
I just did it because of how he told me
what to eat for breakfast and then I straightened my hair.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
That dude, And yeah, fucking for one, I almost said
that earlier. What like, I'm complete, I have curly hair.
I'm assuming she probably has curly hair. Since she's straightening it.
If I tell him I'm going to straighten my hair,
he was like, I'm gonna pour water on it so
it's curly again. So I have not just pissed me
off when guys are like, I prefer your curly hair

(30:27):
to be straight, because that takes fucked on a word.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Not for me. I just wake up like this, but
it takes me seven million years in all of the
shoulder muscles to curl my hair, and then it doesn't
even stay. Okay. So at the law firm did Jeffrey
set up for Michelle, Michelle would pay record truck drivers
to get in with people that had been in an
accident and might want to file a lawsuit. That's smart.

(30:54):
I think that might be one of the legal things
that he was doing. Maybe that's the aggressive Is it
actually illegal though, I don't know, or is it just
they were mad? Maybe it's ethically not yet right, So
she would start her search for a hitman with these
drivers because they have tattoos and look like they would.
I don't know why. I couldn't imagine want get up
to anybody and being like, hey, right, you want to

(31:16):
marry somebody for me?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
No? You act like, I just know, how could you
ask me about my gosh? Okay. One driver the driver
that she approached Richard Gutierrez that we talked about a
little while ago. Rich wasn't a hard and criminal, but
I mean he did have some charges for cocaine possession.

(31:39):
It just bit a low coke, right. He was intrigued
by her offer though, because his dream in life was
to buy like a new toe truck of his own
and start a record service. So he was like, yeah,
I'll kill whoever for a new truck and whatever. I
forgot that's what we were doing.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You were like, okay, get your truck, can get your bag, bro,
And then I realized what it was for.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Don't do that right, I actually it's spiled that. He
was like, you know what? Hell yeah. Meanwhile, me and
you have been like, are the feet picks really a
thing that we can sell? Right? Let us know if
you're interested? You know what? Joking? Jk okay. So Richard
went to his younger brother Adam and was like, Hey,

(32:25):
would you like to do this and then we could
split the money. And I was like yeah, dude, for sure.
And then Michelle gave a picture of Yvonne in her address.
Richard said that she never mentioned Jeffrey or said that
she was working with anyone else. Okay, which is a
smart thing to do, right, but whatever. Richard would later

(32:46):
tell police that when Adam fired into the Stearn's living
room window in February twenty ten, he had no intention
of killing yvon He just wanted to make Michelle believe
Yvonne was dead so he and his brother could get
the money and then get the record service.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
How how did they think just shooting into the house
was gonna she had to die.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I shot one bullet into the house, right, I totally
got her. I don't know. When Michelle learned that Yvonne
had survived, Richard begged her to give him another chance,
promising that he'd find a better hitman than his little
brother Adam.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I love it, Richie. Rich is just out here outsourcing,
and he.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
But he can find multiple people? Is the other thing? Right,
which is like kind of terrifying.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think I could ask anybody.
That's what it always like.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
That, Richie.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Rich also splitting twenty thousand dollars, you're not gonna be
able to afford the truck.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Just so you know, sorry, listen, they thought just firing
into a house would be humansana, I don't know. Richard
took about a week off from his actual job to
try to find a better hit man. He talked to
the person that blew them in at the ice facility,
and then he went to see his tattoo artist named
James Lowry at the Brass Knuckle Tattoo Studio because if

(34:08):
you have tattoos, yes you're a hitman. Oh no, So
Richard actually got a tattoo okay, and then was real
casual and asked James if you would like to get
in on the job. James had been charged for aggravated
assault after he attacked an ex girlfriend, but he was like, no,

(34:29):
I'm not going to kill some random ladies. So you
can buy any record truck that's solid. James very good.
But a few days later he was like, you know what, Hell, yeah,
I'll do it for twenty grand a gun and a
car to drive to bel Air.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
This expense report is getting very high.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Richard checked in with Michelle and she agreed, and they
bought James a used green Toyota for about fifteen hundred bucks.
This is wild, James Forot to mention that he was
actually subcontracting the job out to a man named Nat
Noyan must have slipped his mind. Whatever. Nat was a
gang member from Boston who had just spent twelve years

(35:06):
in prison for killing a rival gang member. He was
newly at a prison and had moved to Houston to
start a new life. He told James that he would
do that job, but he would not be driving a
beat up camer into the fancy Bellaer neighborhood because that
would draw too much attention. Yeah, he would instead drive
his own car, which I guess was a much nicer car.

(35:27):
He's like, I'm not driving your piece of shit. No,
I wrote in honestly same. I hate going anywhere and
not having my car so I can just leave when
I want to. Yeah. Absolutely. One article said that Richard
just gave the Toyota to his mother because she needed
a car. Well, that was sweet, okay. So Natt was
the driver that shot Yvonne through the door and barely
missed her and her son. He would later say that

(35:49):
he never intended to kill anyone, and he was just
hoping to get a few grin for just getting a
shot off, which is not how hit manning works. Instead,
he just ended up with some gas money and an
offered to try again, which he defined, I mean, but.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, that's technically you didn't complete the job that you
were hired for. It's a shitty job, but it's not
like you still get paid per bullet fired from the gun.
So yr Vonn's friends asked her who the hell would
be doing this to a mom and volunteer, you know,
like while like all these random people are trying to
shoot her. They asked her if Jeffrey could be having
an affair, and she was like, no, absolutely not. They

(36:22):
asked if she was having an affair and she was
like no, Like, could you know, are you having an
affair with a married man and the wife is Maddie?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
You? Is Jeffrey having.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
An affair and trying to get rid of you.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Jeffrey also made it very clear to anyone who asked,
including the police, that he was not involved in any
extra marital affair. He wishes people would stop asking him
about it. He told the cops and his private investigator
to look at a flooring subcontractor who had angrily claimed
that he hadn't been paid for work that he had done.
At the Stearns's home. He also suggested that they talked

(36:55):
to a Vander Holyfield, who had recently gotten into a
He did dispute with Jeffrey over like a five hundred
and sixty thousand dollars loan after Jeffrey claimed that Vander
never made a payment and he took possession of this
guy's home. He was like a boxing a famous boxing guy.
I meant to look him up. Let me look him.
I meant to look him up, and I forgot Evander

(37:19):
holy Field, a professional boxer. Oh he looks really Yeah,
you probably know who he is. Yes, So that guy's
home was put up for collateral on this loan. Jeffrey's like, hey,
you didn't like what are you some kind of loan
shark or what is happening? He said? Or maybe one
of his former law partners Wow Hot Hot had suggested
that the shootings could have been carried out by a

(37:40):
client that they represented, who maybe suffered a head injury
in an accident, and was like.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Okay, I mean possibly it seems like a stretch.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
That seems like something out of a movie.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, Like, I guess they could see if it was
somebody who didn't get the result that they wanted for
going to court for whatever accident. But other than that,
I think, oh, maybe he had somebody with a head
Injuri decided to just come.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I don't know, yeah, I mean people are obviously sitting
around being like what about this? Yeah? Could it possibly
be that. At this point, Michelle said she approached twenty
six year old Damien Flores, who was a tow truck
driver and wore a large medallion of Santa Morte, Saint
of Death around his neck and had like some shrine

(38:30):
built in his house. Okay, and she's like, you look
like a hitman, okay. According to Michelle, Damien said that
he wanted fifteen thousand dollars up front and then twenty
five thousand dollars after the job was complete. She took
the offer to Jeffrey, who agreed, and a few days later,

(38:50):
Jeffrey called Michelle and told her to send Flores to
the apartment parking garage and wait for Yvonne. Yvonne said
after she was shot, she slumped over and played dead
so the gunman wouldn't shoot her again. At the hospital,
she told detectives that the shooter looked kind of like
her foring subcontractor. I'm going to go ahead and say

(39:11):
that Jeffrey might have planted that thought into her head,
but that man came up with an airtight alibi, and
detectives went back to the hospital. They told Jeffrey they
were out of suspects and asked him again, are you
having an affair with a woman who might want to
kill yavan answers yes. According to the police report, Jeffrey
raised his hands in the air and said, here we

(39:31):
go again. Then he turned pale, and his speech became incoherent,
and when he leaned, then he leaned over in his
chair as if like he was having a stroke, and
the nurses actually signaled a code blue and he was
rushed to the emergency rum So you like tantrumed his
way out of it. I think he might have had
a small panic attack. Oh yeah, So, like was Jeffrey

(39:52):
overwhelmed with worry that he hadn't done enough for yvon
Like he went to the synagogue right after the apartment. No,
he went to the synagogue right near the apartment where
Yvonne was shot to see if they had any security
footage to help catch whoever did this. But on the
flip side, Michelle says that he was overwhelmed with worry
that he was about to be arrested. Yeah, she said.

(40:15):
After the shooting, he wanted to meet up in parking
lots that didn't have cameras. He drove borrowed cars to
make sure police weren't following him, and told her to
throw out her SIM card and her phone, hide gifts
that he had been given her. And also, hey, it
would be really cool if you could ask a friend
to pose as your lesbian lover to confuse the police

(40:36):
because this affair never happened.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Oh great, Yeah, yeah, lesbian lover. He doesn't want you
to have a male friend pretend to.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Be yourself to be a lesbian Okay. I mean we
should also really feel bad for Michelle because she was
very stressed out. No, I wish he did cameras for
this today. Listen. The Adam guy, the little brother that
shot at the house. He wanted money to maintain his silence. Yeah. Stressful.

(41:04):
She was also having to deal with the crazy Demian
Flora's guy, who she claimed head asked her to bring
him a piece of Yvonne's clothing to put on his
death trine and to pray to finish the job, because
eight days after the shooting, Yvonne came home from the hospital. Fine,

(41:24):
she's fine, Okay. They had police watching the house night
and day.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Let's send her back to the apartment where she's all alone. Sorry, okay.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
In early June, Richard was like, hey, Michelle, I have
a new hit man. We need to talk. Oh we're
still doing that. We're still doing it. Oh okay, it's
not over. Okay. At the meeting, Michelle said that first
she wanted the new hitman to kill Richard's brother. She's like, sorry, bro,
I know it's your brother. He's got to be killed.
I just can't deal with them like he He's trusting

(41:55):
me the fuck out and is saying he's gonna go
to the cops. You got to get someone to kill
your brother, to.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Pay somebody else to kill the problem. So let's create
a new problem to kill a problem.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Right, she's putting out fires everywhere. Just hand them the money,
she said. Then the new hitman could go after Yvonne. Yeah,
but he could take the money and then still talk. True,
does Adam die. What Michelle didn't know was that Richard
was wearing a wire all right, Richard coming thrill. Detectives

(42:27):
had already gotten to Richard and he had confessed. They
needed more proof that Michelle was involved, though, and Richard
was the key to that. I almost just explained how
like setting up to do a wire thing goes, which
we all know, they tape it. They tape it to
his chest.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yep, make sure that he leans in so he can
get all the sounds.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I don't think you really have to do that part.
But Michelle just forgot to be like, hold on, let
me pat you down. Yeah. Maybe she was like, I'm
not allowed to touch you. I'm a less span though,
I'm When detectives arrived at Michelle's office to arrest her,
they also are rested Jeffrey for unlawfully carrying a weapon
after he told them he had a handgun strapped to

(43:05):
his right leg and another in his briefcase. He said
that his concealed carry license was in the mail, but
he was just carrying the guns to protect his family. Sure, sure?
Or is he afraid of all of the hit men? Yeah?
On all of the money. Yeah. From jail, he called
Yvonne and obviously she was mad. That's an understatement. Just yeah,

(43:26):
you know, obviously really upset, Like, imagine that's how you
find out your husband's having an affair. And to top
it off, the police are like, yeah, they're also trying
to kill you. The calls are coming from inside the house,
just like the rumbles in Sara's stomach right now. Oh
my god, did you eat today? I don't know, I
don't remember. Okay, yeah, yeah, the calls are coming in
inside the house. I imagine. That's imagine you find that out. Well,

(43:49):
it's the jumbo Tron all over again, except she had
to get shot. We didn't talk about the jumbo tron.
It is the JumboTron all over again.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
It's the Coldplay concert where the fucking CEO is fucking
head of HR.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Sorry that was very cross. I mean that's what was happening.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, it's that all over again, except maybe they were
copying off these people because this was first.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I don't think they were, because I don't think the
jumbo tron thing has a hitman involved in it. Who knows.
Give it time. Okay. So Yvonne went to Aspen for
the summer because hi, she's stressed out and can do that.
She went to a few therapy sessions there, and she said, well,
I found myself telling the therapist over and over how
Jeffrey was such a good, generous, loving father, and how

(44:34):
in the thirty years I'd been with him, he had
treated me with the utmost loyalty and respect, nothing but tender,
loving care. The therapist asked her to take a legal
pad and make a list of pros and cons about Jeffrey.
The list of pros was so long that Yvonne decided
to go back to Houston and work on her marriage. No,
I can't judge because I don't live that life. But

(44:54):
god damn, I mean he can still.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
He's not an ill keepers and honestly, I know he
can't be.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
He's a piece of shit. Like you almost died.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
You got shot in the fucking stomach, hitting your liver,
which like when that bitch bleeds, you're lucky to be alive.
So like, no, no, Yvonne.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Wrong, you know, Okay. So, while Yvonne Jeffrey are putting
their marriage back together, they knew that a criminal case
was being built against Jeffrey. Yvann even went to the
assistant DA to ask them to drop it, saying that
she was the one that got shot and she didn't
think Jeffrey had anything to do with it, so why
should anyone else in the d DA was like, that's
not how this works, that's not at all how this works.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yet, do you think at some level Yvonne was just
trying to do preserve her security because they were so
well off and like she's used to that type of
lifestyle type.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Thing, Like maybe he had an affair.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
We've been together thirty years, we've bet we get two kids, Like,
maybe we should just try.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I think that that's a choice that some people do make.
I just think it's not something I could imagine, not
the choice I could imagine making, especially with multiple hitmen
being hired, yeah to kill me. Yeah, even if Jeffrey
had nothing to do with it, let's.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Say, yeah, but then how do you ever trust him again?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Like, how do you ever know? Like you literally had
the world's worst affair where your girlfriend and it was
years long affair.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, it wasn't like it was an oops I slipped
into her once.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Oh my god, you mean you canceled the whole show.
We're done. I don't know where it's going with that now. Okay.
On the last weekend of January of twenty eleven, the
Stern celebrated their son's ber Mitzvah at the synagogue. Jeffrey
and Yvonn held hands. They went back to this fancy
hotel and had a James Bond theme party, and the

(46:49):
following Monday morning, Jeffrey's grand jury indictment was made public
and Jeffrey turned himself in with Yvonne at his side. Okay,
so let's talk about some of the trials, because now
they've tracked on all of the people. The people. Yeah,
Damian Flores's first trial on attempted capital murder ended in
a mistrial. He was sent to prison for twenty years.

(47:10):
James Lowry and Richard Gutierrez also pled guilty in the case.
Each were sentenced to fifteen years. Nat Noyan was sentenced
to forty five years in prison for shooting at Stern
in her home. I don't know if it's because he
had just gotten out of prison for killing.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Were to say that it's extreme because he didn't actually, but.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I think with like his Yeah, these other guys have
records of like I had cocaine five years ago.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You're right, Yah, would assume it was probably tied to
whatever previous crimes.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He had committed. Michelle accepted a plea deal for twenty
five years in exchange for her testimony against Jeffrey Stern,
but the charges against Jeffrey were dropped citing insufficient evidence,
so she ended up just pleading guilty and getting twenty years.
I also read something about Michelle trying to hire a
hitman from inside jail to murder Jeffrey and Yvonne. She

(48:05):
wrote letters to an inmate that was getting released with
like the addresses of what she knew. Yeah, and she
said she paid twenty thousand dollars. Nothing ever came from that,
and I didn't see any additional charges. Okay, but yeah,
it's Jeffrey and Yvonne remained together. Charges against him were dropped.
Yvonne did sue Michelle. Oh okay, I forgot to put

(48:28):
this in here for like a hitman and no, like
you know, pain and suffering medical extenses like all that stuff.
And the article that I read about that made it
seem like that was kind of like a ploy to
get more information for Jeffrey to use in his defense.
Oh okay, Yeah, so I don't know that anything really

(48:49):
came of that either.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, it probably not as if they got dropped or
his charges in the churchy got dropped.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, but yeah, that's the story of an affair and
seventy five hitmen thanks at it fucking wild.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So do we believe he had nothing to do with it?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Or I think that he probably had to have something
to do that. Where was she getting all the money?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I'm going to assume he probably gave her some sort
of credit card with some sort of ulmited balance or
you know, like a high balance or something.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Maybe didn't or maybe he had a big account for her,
or maybe she planned on using the office that she worked.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
For the money pulled in from there. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I'm honestly pretty torn on whether he had anything to do.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Really, yeah, I think he did.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
I think either way, he's like the biggest piece of
shit because he cheated on his wife but and then
got her fucking shot. And think it's a trauma that
was putting your kids through.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
It, okay, and the kids like his son could have
gotten shot.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
See that's kind of where I'm like, did he know?
Because he did seem to truly care about his kids
and like therewell being and things like that, But then
like you said, did he move her to the apartment
effects it's too close of a call with his kids.
That's yeah, I mean that's possibility. Like here, you're who's
there after?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Let's move you away for I is like, I know,
I just secured this whole house, but are we going
to kill you? This is all secure? Yeah, I don't know.
I am kind of torn on whether he knew or not.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I still can't grasp how the fuck she was able
to go back to him and like stay with him.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, that's not I don't think that's the same choice
I would make. Oh no, absolutely not. So anyway, my
sources were a Texas monthly article named sex Lies and
Hitmen by Skips Pollinsworth, Houston Culture Map had an article
by Sarah Ruffka, and ABC had one million articles and

(50:52):
they all in this I'm not even joking. No byline
from ABC by ABC for ABC.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Okay, ABC, don't let your writers have any credit, right,
I've never heard that one before.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
That's wild. Well, I so I go. I was thinking
last week we made a comment, I mean the last episode,
we made a comment about how we keep doing really
sad cases, like when we said, like when was the
last time we had done a case that didn't have
an actual murder in it. So I went home and
I was like, Okay, TSA, let's buckle buckle down and

(51:28):
do this. And I was like, well, you know what
cases might not have actual murder is Hitman cases, like yeah,
failed Hitman failed whatever fall. So then I that's how
I found it was by my Google history has got
to be the weirdest stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I was just thinking, maybe I'll try to look up
a Hitman case and then then I'm going to be
on a list with you. We're always list together. I've
one life was already on the left right.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I still just cannot wearing my brain around like her
being able to be with him. Still, I would never
be able to like not look over my shoulder, like
is this the time he's gonna have you shot again?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
I maybe this is me thing. I don't know. I
just couldn't imagine sitting across the dinner table and looking
at him.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, or like every time you got undressed and you
see the scar in your stomach or the probably last
d health issues you.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Would have for something like that. Yavon really truly, genuinely
does not believe that Jeffrey had anything to do with it.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
So, oh yeah, that was an interesting one. Never had
I heard it before.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You're welcome. We hard he did the socials. Please wash
your water bottle, and if you've got one rolling around
in your car, just throw it out. Oh just throw
it out.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Well, I mean if it's water, and it should be fine.
You could reach the fuck out of it. Yeah, whatever,
take care of it. Drink your water.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Yeah, after you wash it, not before, and not during
the bleach process. Oh my god, I'm going to cut
that all right. Yeah, I think we gotta shut this off.
All right. That is all we have for this week.
Thanks for listening. Hey bye.