84. Claudine Longet

In this weeks episode Sarah tells us about actress/ singer Claudine Longet, and the unfortunate death of Olympian Spider Sabich.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, I'm te Lisa and I am Sarah.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to the shit show.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I have asked true grand podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
I almost didn't start with my name. I almost started
with just welcome to the shit show, because I don't
remember how to do that.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
We don't we don't ever know we're doing.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We are an actual gross mess right now.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, I'm I don't know I have whatever this is.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Sarah sounds like she smokes seventeen pecks of cigarettes a
day and I didn't even.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Get to enjoy it. So, yeah, the boys got something. Well.
First off, my mother in law, we were with her
and she was like, don't mind the cough, It's just
because I slept at the air condishing on all night.
Like no, so we're like cool, cool, cool, didn't question it,
didn't think about it. Then like she ended up being

(00:47):
sick obviously, then Connor ended up getting sick. You can't
end up getting sick. And then like I, I don't
like it's just sigin a shit like for me, it's
my throat is all scratchy, though, But I did not
get what the boys got, Like they both had a
gross cough, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Captain, I is this your way of telling me? I'm
about to get a gross cough after we record this.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
No I should. I mean, I've had it for literally
week now. If I'm still like contagious, then you were. Yeah,
So it's just I don't. I'm gonna I'm gonna limp
my way through this. I have a cough drop in
my mouth. I've got hot tea here, I've got alcoholic
tea here, I've got water.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Also, no video of this episode because my poison ivy
is still on my face and Sarah has a stick.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
I got it. Literally, my immune says, is like, fuck
you right now, We're just gonna ruin everything. You can't
see it a cat more contacts right now. And I've
literally even like going insane pushing my glasses back up
onto my face. So I can't wait for my new
glasses to get here, hopefully like next week.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Because and this is some serious dedication to this podcast
that does.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, I'm I'm gonna start coughing through it again.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
This is fine.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm just gonna keep repeating this is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
It is fine. Besides having the plague, did you do
anything anything this week?

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, So Kenton's parents took Connor over the weekend, like
the whole weekend. So we went to dinner on Friday night.
We said, oh, why don't we try a new place
that we've never been. We've heard people talk about that
they like it. Obviously not going to name the place
because it's not their fault. They sucked, and whose fault
is it? The start starts. I saw on the board

(02:23):
when we walked in that they had summer sangree and I'm like, oh,
that kind of sounds good. I have been singry and forever.
What all do you expect to be in it? Like? Like,
I know, I know there's wine in it?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Isn't it just like wine and juice and fruit?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
There was There was no juice or anything else. It
was literally like a shitty like a shitty wine. Was
that Barefoot wine? Do you remember like this?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Do I remember?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yes? I was trying to think of that name the
other day when I was talking about or talking to
Kenton about it. But it literally tasted like barefoot with
just fruit floating in it. There was nothing else in it.
I couldn't drink like I took. I kept trying to
force myself. My undiagnosedism could not do it.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Talk about the forks.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I was getting there. You cut? Did the picture? Do
it justice? I can't speak. We're doing great. So I
also sent Lisa a picture. They had the largest fucking
fork I have ever seen in my entire life, and
it was so off putting.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
She sent me a picture. She's like, I can't eat
with this fork, it's so big, and I was like,
just eat with your hands.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I got pasta and I got chicken broccoli off for you. Though,
I'm like, how could you can't fuck up? You can't
fuck that up because I'm I am somewhat of a
picky eater, but somehow they fucked it up. It was terrible,
Like the broccoli was undercooked, and then like the sauce
just like absorbed the undercooked taste of the broccoli and
the chicken. I almost the chicken was too chickeny. I'm like, well,

(03:49):
my first two buys of chicken, I'm like, oh, this
isn't bad, Like you know, I all just eat the
chicken off a bit. And then I took a bite
and it was way too chickeny and I literally almost
threw up on my plate. And Ken's like, do you
need to walk out? Do you need to leave? You
need to He's like Sarah, literally like five times he
asked me. He's looking at me, He's like, you don't
look good. Do you need to leave? And I'm like,
I just want to go home. This was the worst
dining experience. And again, it's not a bad place. It

(04:12):
was not probably wasn't their fault. It could just be
my undiagnosed issues. But it was very disappointing nonetheless. Yeah,
but other than that, we just kind of did stuff
around the house that we keep putting off, and we
did go get pizza yesterday to make up for the
terrible dinner Friday, and it was the best fucking pizza ever.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Fun.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, other than that, that's my drama logged drown out
gender story that I didn't need to tell. You're quite welcome.
What about you would you do this Weekod?

Speaker 2 (04:43):
The kids and I went and found a waterfall, actually
found it. We've been there twice now, it's really a
good spot. And then went there, We went to a
fair that was close to there and stayed for the
demolition derby, which was fun.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
So can we talk Can we talk about the picture
you sent? Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, so there was one of the cars, like you know,
I was about to man explain a demolition derby. People
paint cars that are you know, shitty cars and smash
them into each other. So this person painted on the
side of theirs find me on Grinder with like an
at whatever user name, and so I started laughing and
I went I took a picture, and Riley goes, are
you gonna find him on Grinder later? And I was like, no,

(05:22):
I'm sending this picture to Sarah.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
He is like I cackled. It was literally like one
if that's like like if that you're advertising for yourself,
like you know, you want to hang out. I don't
know what exactly what I was just gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think so for.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
The LGBT plus.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So, but I don't. I don't do any dating apps.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I don't write Oh, I clearly don't. I just I
but somehow I do every once in a while end
up on that side of tiptok where people are talking
about like their horrendous dating app dates, and honestly, I
kind of love it because like I want to hear
them in my life. Yeah, like I love listening to them.
So that's like my extent of dating apps. But also

(06:05):
I thought like or it's either that or somebody's really
fucking with their friend, and right, bad joke whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I thought it was funny. Kyley was confused, But then
you know what I should have been, like, how the
fuck do you know what grinder is? I think to
be a innocent child, I wish she kind of seemed
horrified that I was taking a picture just find that
person on Grinder.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, I took it as she didn't know what Grinder
actually was, just that it was an app that.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
You maybe a dating app, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
And then she's like cool, So she's like, what are
you doing. We're gonna we're gonna be dating a demolish
derby guy. Now, well he didn't win and he doesn't
like you according to his car. I'm probably entirely wrong,
and Grinder's not.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'm pretty sure it's for I was gonna say, gay
dating is that? And like, is that not the right
way to say it? I don't know. I don't do
any of the above.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Grinder is a location based social networking app primarily used
by gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer individuals. To the Google
oh my social networking.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm pretty sure they probably say the same thing. About Tender.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Really, it's often associated with hookups. It's also used for dating,
making friends, and finding community. So now everybody out there
who knows what Grinder is, there's a mom, here's a
mom looking up with.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah. I really just thought it was like the Tender
for gay people.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
So for Tinder, it says it's a popular location based
dating and social discovery app that allows users to connect
with others on mutual interests.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
We are really like loosely identifying things here.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, cool, look anyway, that's now that we know that,
That's pretty much all we did this weekend the waterfall
on the Grinder demolition derby.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
We talked about going to walkin schoolIn State Park Falls,
State Park whatever it is, and then we realized that
the trail was like fifteen miles altogether.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Jesus, like, we're on trip and yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
It was a big note thank you for me because
it was really hot and I did not need to
be passing out. No, so we did shit outside here
and the he instead beautiful.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Oh yeah, because I tried to text you and I've
been like an hour later, I was like, hi, are
we okay?

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh yeah, because I've oh yeah, because I left my
phone inside usually.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
If I text her or she texted me back immediately,
and apparently we have the type of relationship where if
it's been forty five minutes, I have to be like, Hi,
are you alive? What's what's wrong?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
The one time that I'm like, I don't leave my phone.
I'm just gonna leave it on the kitchen counter, and
then I'm like, hey, dumb fuck, you could have at
least put on the charger. So then I did. Yeah, yeah,
I was alive, just hating my life. I will so
we have the back by the chimney, be guys. We
had to have the chimney at Price Years a few
years ago, and some of the sighting came off the

(08:48):
lower area down there. We don't know what to call it.
It's like a storage area on the back of the house.
And it's only been tie back on that for fucking
We just keep putting it off. So finally Saturday, I'm like,
we just need to sett'll just do it. Yeah. So
that's that's what I was hating my life doing well,
which really for me, I was purely in a supportive
role of handing him the tool that he needed and

(09:10):
holding a board in place and handing screws. So like,
it was fine, It.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Was fine, all right, I have enough. I was gonna say,
we're wasting your voice on nonsense.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
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a bit, don't be a little bit. Okay. Now, Sarah's
going to tell us a story.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Now, I'm going to tell a story that I finished
writing I don't know, four days ago and have not
looked that since.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, I don't know how I'm going to title this.
So we're just we're doing per usual and jumping right in.
So Claudine Georgia Langet was.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Born What can you hit that name one more time?

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Claudine Georgia Longet, okay was born January twenty ninth, nineteen
forty two, in Paris.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Brance Oh, Okay, I was gonna say, it.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Does make more sense, it does.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
It does make a little bit more sense, but I
was gonna say, like her mom did not do the
shout test with all three names. No, but if it's
in a front of accent, then maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I feel like Laudine Georgette could like.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
If you have to do the last name too.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I don't think I've ever yelled out my kids.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I had the entire government.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Name, the whole government name, right down to the junior No.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
I only ever do like first and middle or really
I just call Connor by his nickname the vast majority
of the time.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Do you know? This is high yeer one sense in
And I'm just gonna tell a story. Over the weekend,
Anthony was doing something. I can't remember what it was,
but it was like annoying everybody else. Yeah, just little
brother Shannigan's you know, and so everyone's like going stop
everyone's win name. Whatever it was, it was a whole thing,
and I just walked to the room. I was like,
oh my god, Anthony, my brother in Christ, and he
was like, what did you just call me?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I literally was spent the joke out. I mean, you
got to keep them on your toes or their toes,
not your toes. I'm always on my toe they were
already on your toes.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I like to say things are mid around Connor and
just really sends him every time for some reason because
he's like, don't talk like that, yeah basically, which honestly
I shouldn't. But see, my problem is I'll say something
as a joke to make fun of the youth saying it,
and then it gets stuck in my fucking vocabulary and
then here I am calling people bro. For the past

(11:39):
twelve years, I was in new development.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, okay, okay, now let's do the second sentence. You second.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
So Claudigan's father was an industrialist whose expertise was an
X ray techn in X ray technology. Her mother was
a doctor, and she had a little sister named Danielle,
and that is all I know of her early childhood.
And I almost quit this case just.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Because of that. That's the end of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
That's everywhere this is.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, we're all done. So the information about her sister
and parents were found like on a blog post. To
take that with a assault on whether that's what their
jobs actually were. I don't know. France, I'm sure somewhere
in French on a different website, I can't read. There's
more information, but Sarah, it's twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
There's Google Translate.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm joking, imagine. I feel like I could probably guess
it some words, because French and Spanish are kind of
close than I took Spanish for two whole years in.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
High school, basically fluent. That means you're fluent in French.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Sure, well, my friend took French, so we always like
compared with yeah, learning, I still know none of the above. Anyhow,
Claudine had hopes of becoming and a nope and entertainer
from a young age.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Was this gonna be one of those kind of sad stories.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I don't even know what a sorry I was gonna say,
it's actually not that bad of a case, but then
I just realized, yeah, it's really good. It is.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, okay, I mean you can cut that if.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay. So after high school, at the age of seventeen,
Claudine started dancing on stage four tourists in Paris because
that's where she's from. So that is when Lou Walters,
a club owner, saw Claudine on French television and wanted
to give her a chance.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Wait, can you remind me how old she is while
she's doing this.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
She started dancing for like tourists after high school at
the age of seventeen.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'm going to go on record right now and say
I don't like that, okay or this Walter guy.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hold on to your birches because you're gonna love how
the Crime Library article described her.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
The Crime Library article described Claudine as French fen and
lady with melancholy doe eyes and an innocent face with opper.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Here because she's a child, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Also fucking thin and leggy.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Well yeah, I meant the do I parton, but like, yeah,
on the innocent pace yeah, because she has a fucking
because she's still in her innocence right now. The innocence
is still there.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It's literally there. Yeah. I don't know, I just the
whole like thin, leggy. It's just so weird because again
she's a child.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I don't know. I don't like a thing. I don't
like where this is going.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Cool, all right? So Claudine then came to the US
to perform in Las Vegas at the Trafficana Hotel and
Resort in nineteen sixty one at the age of nineteen.
This is what I forgot to look up that I
said I needed to look up, and I don't know.
So there she performed in a famous French style burlesque

(14:44):
like feather Dance show, which is, like I guess, an
americanized version of what they do, like, oh, actually over
there in France. I'm not even going to attempt to
try and have to do it.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
I can do it in your smoker's voice.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Make it's sexy, make it's xy. Th I do is sexy.
Come on, follies, there's a little lying over the e.
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Give it some flair full.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
My voice is like, nope, we're not doing this. Give
me two seconds. We're gonna We're gonna try this again.
Foley's Burger Brouder Merger Review. I don't know. It's b
okay o l I E s space new word b
E r g E r E fully burgers and I

(15:31):
said it in my head. I'm like, oh no, I
can do this, and then I said burgers and it's
definitely not it. Somebody who that is an americanized somebody
who knows French. Don't tell me how much I fucked
it up. I already know. Tell us, hey, I already
know I did bad. Okay, Claudine quickly became the lead dancer,
so like she was good at what she did. I
think I read possibly on that blog post that I

(15:52):
wasn't really sure where the information came from. That shed
like studied it in ballet and stuff like that. So
she had a background of dance. I think growing up
I couldn't find that because France, we're just going to
blame the way.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's just yeah, France in general, all right.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
So it was around this time that Claudine met thirty
two or thirty four year old cardigan wearing singer Andy Williams,
who helped her with her car after it had broken down.
Multiple articles pointed out that he wore cardigans. I just
felt like I had to put it in.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Okay, So she's nineteen and he's yes, possibly thirty five, yeah, four.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Either way, he is in his early thirties. One article
set thirty two, one article set thirty four. I'm not
entirely sure. Nonetheless, she was nineteen, he is well into
his thirties.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Says icky behavior, extremely andy with your cardigans.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, but he helped with the car.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Okay, Well that's not icky behavior, I guess it's on it,
but anything moving forward I feel like.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Is, yeah, you going after a nineteen year old is icky?
Very icky? So. Andy was a well known and popular
singer who earned his own Emmy Award winning television show,
television talk show. The podcast of the time happily named
The Andy Williams Show.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Very very We should have just called this the Sarah
and Talisa Show.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
We should so. The two married rather quickly on December fifteenth,
nineteen sixty one, in Los Angeles. They had a thirteen
or fifteen year age gap, depending on which age you
would like to go with for Andy, so technically she's supposedly,
according to the government, old enough to make her own decisions,
but that doesn't make his decision to date somebody so

(17:35):
much younger.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Very I actually think it's gruffs.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
It is it is.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I don't think I can really say anything that I
haven't said on here before. You're about it. It's just
two different parts. Yeah, like your life.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
She's literally leaving her childhood, like just just at the
very tail end of her childhood, and you are well
into your adulthood. And that's just really weird to me.
So sorry, not sorry. Andy. The next year, Andy had
a career changing hit with Moon River, which was a
ballad that Henry Mancini wrote for the movie Breakfast at Tiffany's. Okay,

(18:09):
I don't think I've ever watched that movie.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I haven't either, but heard of it.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I've heard of it. Just know there are people judging
that we've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
That's fine us for Breakast at Tiffany's. But in my head,
for some reason, I thought the Babysitters Club. I don't
know why I haven't seen either of them.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I'm trying to think the one that I'm thinking of.
I can't, though, because my brain.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Doesn't work because Sarah's ill.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
I am functioning on one brain cell right now. So
it was the popularity of this song that Land Died
Andy his television show in nineteen thirty two. As Andy's
career continued to grow, Claudine had to put hers on
hold after she gave birth to their daughter, Nowel in
nineteen sixty three, and then to a son, Christian in

(18:55):
nineteen sixty four. Claudine was a frequent guest on the show,
and her tagline became I don't have a French accent,
I have a smoker's voice right now.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
You're going to have a cigarette mom accent right now.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Let me just turn on like the Midwest real quick too.
We just have it all. Yeah. So her tagline became
oh andy like all drown out and assume French like,
but I can't do that, Oh okay, but one can assume.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I'm just gonna do it in like a Haggard
smoker's voice for us.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I cannot you were my voice breakerd He was trying
to say French words, so no. So it was her
French accent that was a huge hit and even landed
her a series of TV roles as the sexy foreigner
because it's just that time, that's just how things are.
So she starred in shows like Hogan's Heroes, Combat Rap, Patrol,

(19:46):
Run for Your Life, a Doctor Kildare, among many others.
I don't know why I listed that many. So Claudine
one star Billying. In the nineteen sixty eight Blake Edwards
movie The Party. She played the Hollywood Starlett who was
the love interest of Peter Seller's character, which just means

(20:07):
like she was named at the top of the credits.
If you don't know what star billing was, I had
I assumed I had to google it because one brain cell.
And then as soon as I googled it and read that,
and like, you're a fucking idiot. You should have known that.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
No, you said that, and I was like, oh, I
bet that means that her name was at the top.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, And then I saw and it was good.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
It was good for her. I somehow have more than
one brain cell today. It's I think it's because I
washed my hair this morning.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I also watched it, but I immediately put it in
brains because I could not have anything touching me. So
the scene where Claudine is singing nothing to Lose was
one of the most memorable moments from that movie. But
Claudine wasn't just a talented actress. She also had a
career as a pop singer. Oh she was signed to

(20:53):
herb Alberts then Flourishing an M label between sixty six
and seventy. Her debut L Claudine even reached number one,
selling over fifth or sorry, over five hundred thousand copies,
so she did, you know really well, and even her
next two albums reached somewhere around the number thirty on

(21:15):
the charts, so she was do you know, she was
doing pretty well, she was on, you know, making Billboard
charts and was doing good. So Claudine specialized in covers
of easy listening songs and sung any noteworthy breathy whisper.
I hit play on one of her songs while I

(21:36):
was like still typing, and then halfway through I'm like,
why the fuck am I still listening with? Well?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Then was it good if you didn't realize you were
listening to it?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, so it's not bad for the time, like what
it is for that type of music, Like, it just
wasn't for me. But again, she wasn't bad. It just wasn't.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It wasn't a Little Wayne. Yeah, basically he also has
a breathy tone or whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
You just sent you a noteworthy breathy yes, breathy whisper. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Have you ever heard him whisper the Fireman's Coming? Now.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I'm going to be very playing Little Wayne music in
my head this whole time. I have one brain cell
right now. Okay, So, during the mid sixties, Claudine and
Andy were even great friends with Senator and presidential candidate
Robert Bobby Kennedy and his wife Ethel, So the couple
hosted are You.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Going to Tell Me? That Kennedy story right now, imagine
if that was just a lead up catfish.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I do include some of some of Kennedy's let's do
it then sorry, come on. So, as I said, friends
with Bobby Kennedy and his wife Ethel, The couple hosted
the Kennedys and even spent time at the Kennedy's residence
at Hickory Hill and New York City. So, like I said,
they had like the Kennedys were coming over to hang
out with them all the time. They were going over

(22:53):
to the Kennedys to hang out, like they would go
to the disco like you know, they were they're friends.
But yeah, they just they just do things that friends do,
that's hang out.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Together, just like we're doing right now, right, No, and
all of the crazy all right.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
So the friends would even like take summer cruises together
on the Salmon River in Central Idaho and on the
Colorado River, which I don't that sounds fun to me,
going on like a river cruise versus like a big
ocean cruise, I'm old.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Sounds safer.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I'm old.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I don't know any cruise. I just feel like you're
gonna get the whatever disease. It is where you pee
out of your butthole.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
No, don't want that. No, real virus, don't want that.
But also another weird rindom Tangent Kenton started a documentary
on Netflix the other day. I think I sent you
a couple of tiktoks about it, because now I'm seeing
all over my TikTok. I can't remember the name of it,
but but it was about a lady who went messing
on a cruise ship.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I hae me something, Okay, I've listened to a podcast
about that before. I don't think if you sent me tiktoks,
it must have been today and I haven't.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Looked at as I did send it to you is
the other day it's you working, But yeah, I don't.
I have many questions. I have to watch the rest
of it before I can.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Sometimes you're going to cover that next.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
No, I've already I've already concluded that it's a no
for me dog too unsolved for you. Yes, there's too
many listens, there's too many what ifs and like and
again I'm only like two episodes in.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So it's on Netflix there.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, so there's a Netflix like full doc on it.
That's got multiple parts. And then I also saw a TikTok.
They mentioned that there's a Hulu like one. It was
part of a series on there, but it was just
one episode out of that series on Hulu. I don't know.
It's about cruise ships.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Never. I need to know because I need some case ideals.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Do that. I don't. I'm not going to finish the
documentary then until you do that. Cool, All right, back
to what I'm actually supposed to.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Be talking about.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
In nineteen sixty, on the night of the California primaries,
Edin and Andy were why did I word.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It this way?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
So we've established their friends, they're friends, Okay. So on
the night that Kennedy was giving his televised victory speech
for the California primary, Claudine and Andy were at that hotel.
I word it this weird. I do apologize. So Bobby
told the couple that he'd give a hand signal towards
the end of his speech to signal to the pair
that they could start heading down to the lobby so

(25:12):
that they could continue on with their plans of that evening,
which was to go to like a nightclub for dinner.
I don't know. I saw disco. In one article, I
saw nightclub and then I saw dinner mentioned, so they
were they had dinner plans.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
A nightclub doing a disco serving dinner, I know.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
But then always I could think of it was like
the fifties shows where like they have the band up
on the stage and like the music, and then there's
people dancing, but then also people sitting around.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Eating dinner like a wedding.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, basically like everybody's wearing fifties clothes. I don't know, sixties.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I was gonna say, We're not in the fifties, are we?

Speaker 1 (25:43):
No? Sixties? So, like I said, Bobby had planned to
do the little hand signal towards the end, so because
they were up in their room waiting while like watching
his televised speech on TV, they were waiting for him
to signal. But sadly, while Claudine and Andy were on
their way down, Bobby Kennedy was shot multiple times by

(26:03):
Sir an sin So. Sir Ansuran was charged and found
guilty for the assassination of presidential candidate Bobby Kennedy. He
was first sentenced to the gas chamber, but then was
later commuted to serving life in prison, which I did
not know about them.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I guess I didn't realize that the sentence was commuted.
That seems wild for California. Was it like around the
time that they stopped doing I think so the death penalty,
but I would just do so.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
So Bobby did die obviously, in the early morning hours
of June sixth, nineteen sixty eight. His wife, Ethel was
three months pregnant at the time, I believe, with their
eleventh child.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Holy smokes. Yeah, well, first of all, said that he
died in that she was right, Yeah, he has all
these kids whatever, but Holy smoked specifically to the eleven kids, because.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, well that was my first alleague when I read
that late, because now she's left alone to not only
more in the loss of her husband and the father
of her eleven children, but now she has to like
continue to raise eleven children by herself, and I just
could not imagine. I don't know what I would do
raising one by myself if something happened. Yeah. So the
next year, I Claudine named her and Andy's third child

(27:14):
after their murdered friend Bobby.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Okay, they named it.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Bobby, but per usual, having another child doesn't fix an
already rocky marriage. And the couple separated that same year,
so like things had started to get kind of rocky
between the two. Claudine was probably getting too old for Andy.
That was so shitty with me. I'm so sorry. Probably
not wrong, you're speculation on my part. But Claudine and

(27:40):
the kids did continue to appear on Andy's television show
until nineteen seventy two, so they still appeared, like on
the Christmas specials and things like that, like playing the
role of the happy family. So Claudine and the children
stayed in their ocean side mansion in Malibu, and Andy
agreed to pay eight thousand dollars for monthly support.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Hold on what So?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Claudine and her children stayed in their ocean ocean side
mansion in Malibu, and Andy agreed to pay eight thousand
dollars for monthly support. Would you like to know how
much that is in today's moneys? Yeah, seventy two thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Holy motherfuck?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Could you imagine?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
You know, I can't imagine. What would you even do?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Sit at my ocean side mansion washing the ocean for
the rest of my life, drinking coffee and talking to nobody.
Seventy two thousand dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
A month fucking wild, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Why did I have to marry for love?

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I can't really say anything about any sky.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
So she was doing pretty okay after the separation, and
maybe he was trying to make up for the fact
that she was a child when they got married. I
don't know. Sorry, it still really bothers me anything. He
was a grown ass adult. So in nineteen seventy two,
Klaudine met a new man, which is why I assume,
like that's probably around the same time that she stopped
going on Andy's show. Okay, because hello new man. Yeah,

(29:03):
so Claudine met Croatian American Olympian Vladimir Spider say itch
I think was his last name? Who was the US
ski team?

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Nope?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Who won? Sorry, I don't know how to do words.
Why is your face like that?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
His nickname was Spider?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, I'll get into why, but yes, his nickname is Spider.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Sarah's struggling through the words, and I was like, did
she just say a spider?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
But I'm like, I nailed everything I needed to nail
right there. Well, probably besides his last name. I'm sure
I'm saying that or whatever, But yeah, Spider so he
was on the US ski team at a celebrity race
in California's Bear Valley. I guess like when they met,
lots of words or lots of things I know absolutely
nothing about. So the two love words got close. With

(29:49):
the quickness, I was feeling a little spunky apparently when
I wrote that life wickness again.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
What exactly does that mean?

Speaker 1 (29:55):
You just got together real fast? Say, you know, she's
was an adult now knew what she wanted from a relationship.
So one of Claudine's friends called their chemistry nuclear fission.
So apparently they just really very explosive together, good badness.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I was gonna say that could be terrible.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Though, and I think it was probably meant like in
both like they had good times in the like, really
shown chemistry together, but sometimes they could maybe not be
so great together.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Okay, that's how I take it. That's me.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
So another quote saying a quote he was so charming
and so sexy, and it was the time, and it
was the same type of chrisma you see in movie stars.
So like they just have good chemistry.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Like an action movie love story.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Okay, okay, well, Vladimir, who I'm pretty sure you put
a Spider in here the rest of the time, okay.
He was born October first, nineteen forty five, in Sacramento,
two parents, Vladimir and Franz a bitch Sandwich Sandwich. His
father was a California Highway Patrol officer, and his dad

(31:02):
was the one that gave him the nickname Spider because
he said after a Lad's premature birth that he had
gangly arms and legs that looked like an a racknad.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
This is such a dead thing to say.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
And then also like, now I have this, I can
picture rest of my life because I'm a gangly infant, Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
But at the same time, I can picture like the
skinny little baby with the yeah, the newborn or premi whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yea with apparently very long legs and arms. And maybe
that's why he was so good at skiing. I don't know,
but yeah, that's it was just that's cute wild to me.
That literally, as soon as he was born he had
a nickname, like there was no nothing else, it was
just it.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, I even give him a real name.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean, honestly, they should have just just met on
the bid, yeah, on the birth certificates, like go and
work out Vladimir and it's Spider AnyWho. Spider grew up
in a remote mountain town of Kai birs kyb u
r Z tibers Sure, near Lake Tahoe in California. He
had two siblings, one older and one younger, and Spider

(32:07):
had a love for education, physical activity, and the outdoors,
hint him being an Olympic skier, so it should be
surprising that he started skiing at a very young age
and one tournaments all throughout his childhood, even earning a
scholarship at the University of Colorado. Or said, skiing, it's
just so weird to be like the weirdest, Like I

(32:30):
get it, but it's still somewhere my brain. It doesn't
make sense that lake you go to college scholarships ship
because you can slid down a hill.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Real fast, but it takes a lot of skills.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
It does. I have like more power to the people
who are into that. First off, it's in the cold,
so it's a big no for me and I have
zero balance. So anybody who can get out there and
do it, I'm like you just.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Told a story about how you couldn't eat dinner because
the fork was too big. Nobody is expecting to ski
down the mountain.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's true, okay, But back to the fork. I've read
to tell you that we got calamari and they had
a little tiny fork with lemon on it.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Like to use that for you.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I literally joked to Kenton that I was gonna use
that instead because I had some more preferable than the
giant ass fork. But then I was dropped in front
of the waitress trying to pull it out as a lemons,
which just left it to the side. Olympic skier Sarah
Olympic nap taker, I carry that one. So it was
at the University of Colorado where Spider met coach Bob Beattie. Okay,

(33:37):
and there he met also met fellow skiers Billy Kid
and Jimmy Hogue. Noop, not right. So Spider went on
to be or to place fifth and the nineteen sixty Olympics,
and he emerged, God, why did I word everything so
fucking weird? Good job, Sarah. So he emerged, as is

(34:00):
premier skier at that event?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Why did you say it that way? To be in with.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Because for some reason Sarah was wordy when she was
typing this. I cannot track it.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Sarah had more than one brains all that day.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I must have and I'm like, oh, yeah, I can
say more than one word, cannot So in nineteen seventy
two and seventy three, after Spider went professional, he also
won professional tours both both those years, So I guess,
like you have like the Olympics obviously, but then you
can all clearly that's a thing. But then like they're
also like different, like professional tours that you can go on,

(34:35):
and also you know, don't make a good living off
doing so, and he did so. A Spider, who was
thirty one at the time and an attractive olympian at
the peak of his career, also had several product endorsements
in magazine covers that he was on. So again, like
he was able to support himself with that, which is
I think around this time obviously, like I said, is

(34:55):
when he gained the attention of Platine. So Spider was
said to be earning like two hundred thousand dollars a
year from his winnings and endorsements. Jesus, so like decent. Yeah,
I had pretty decent money for the time. I didn't
even think to convert that one.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And for skiing, right, and it like, it has to
be something he.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Likes, I would say, and it's something that like he
can say that he actually loves. Klaudine began spending more
and more time at Spider's place in Aspen, which wasn't
easy obviously with three kids, because she was living in
California with the three kids. He had a place in Aspen,
So like trying to split the time between both places
and still be a present parent obviously wasn't easy. Right,

(35:33):
So Spider invited Claudine and her three children, who are
now ages ten, nine, and four, to live with him
in Colorado, and after winning a two point one million
dollar settlements her and Andy's divorce was finalized in nineteen
seventy five, Laudine did move there or did move you know,
to Aspen with Spider in Titty's moneies that's just over

(35:55):
thirteen million dollars Jesus Murphy. So Claudine again was set
like she you know, didn't have a whole lot of
concerns I would think when it came to financial aspects,
right life. So this was obviously a stark change for
Spider as he was living the fun and free bachelor
life prior to this, going from being a young, attractive

(36:17):
bachelor doing whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Two. Hi, here my three kids. Hi.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Hello, Yes, we're you just went from being single to
dow you are also a part time parent. Welcome, welcome in.
So Spider's friends also said that Claudine could be needy
and demanding, claiming that she wants through a wine glass
at Spider because he wasn't paying enough attention to her
at a night club. Don't throw wine glasses, ye, or

(36:46):
heads in their general direction like use your words?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Maybe, hey, I is that part of the explosive or
earlier nuclear efficient.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
That was one of the quotes. Yeah, just maybe.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Don't don't do that.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
No, just use you words like hey, I could use
attention right now, please and it would be fine. So
Aspen at the time was apparently swamped in cocaine, and
Spider was more times than not like invited to parties
which also I think seemed to include cocaine.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Okay of the time.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
It was also said that Clutting forbid Spider from attending
things like the Best Breast Bash, which like, O, hey,
I feel like she's valid because what is that?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Sounds like a titty competition?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And if you're single, go enjoy. If you were in
a committed relationship, maybe skip it. It's just my opinion
on those things. Or go together or yeah, or if
you like boobs together, then do that. But yeah, I
feel like you she had to have kind of known

(37:59):
what she was getting into us, is what I Because
like she saw he was like prior to this, and
like just to assume that he's gonna be able to switch.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I feel like a conversation wasn't had where it should
have been headed exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Again, just communication is key.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Tell me about it.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
So Steve, Spider's brother, would later say Spider smoke, drank,
and did whatever all of us did. He went on
to say, let's not forget those were the sixties and seventies,
So just saying, like, of the times we enjoyed our
time in the sixties and seventies, and Spider also did so.

(38:36):
And I think I read somewhere that when Claudine didn't
have her kids that she also, you.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Know what, sounds like she was at nightclubs and stuff too.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, whatever is it powder? I don't know what cocaine is.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Or I just had to look up grinder. Don't ask
me about drugs, not that one has anything to do
the other one. But like I don't know anything about anything.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
We don't leave our houses.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's why do leave my house.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
That's true, I don't.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
But do you think I get this poison ivy and
a sunburn on top of my poison ivy?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
It was a good concert.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Though it was a good concert, it was kind of
worth it cut that.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yes, So things seemed like they could be a bit
rocky between Clattine and Spider as she was well into parenthood.
Why didn't I just read my next line? I just
I literally just said all of this instead of reading. So,
like I said, she had also enjoyed her time when
she could. But the final race of the nineteen seventy

(39:31):
three ski season and Aspen, Spider suffered a compressed vertebrae injury.
Oh no, so, which I would assume is probably pretty
common with skiing, like back injuries. It seems like it
could be something like right, So he did continue skiing
in the following seasons, but his performance was most definitely
hampered from the back injury. Just to like, you know,

(39:56):
see a place where he was with that with his
career and everything, because it seemed like a happens that way.
Like somebody who's at the top. They're doing great, lives
going great for them, and then all of a sudden,
like something that is super minor like just takes it
all away, because like that's what that's how he's making
it was living, it was being a good skier right
now it's affecting that. So the relationship between the two
continued to grow contentious. I can finish reading words. Spider

(40:20):
even leaned on friends, saying that he or that they
were most likely headed for a split. So on the
morning of March twenty first, nineteen seventy six, Spider met
coach Bob Beatty while Cluttine stayed back and saw her
kids off to school. Then Claudine put on her ski gear,
but apparently never made it to the slopes. Instead, she

(40:40):
went shopping and then stopped in at a bar for
a glass of wine or two with her ski gra
I know I thought that too, but then like maybe
it's just like snow pants. Is it cold outside there,
because I would wear it just her coat, just just
snow pants and a coat. I'm not really sure, just
said ski gear, skiear. Why can't I use birds?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Okay, I'm picturing accessories. I love the actual like equipment
will be pull that'll all be put on later.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah. Yeah, So I would assume probably just like pants
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Cute hat.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, I mean, you can't go without a cute hat. So,
like I said, she ended up going shopping and stopped
in at a bar for a glass of wine or two,
and then she was back home to wait for her
kids to get home from school around like three thirty.
Spider got home about thirty minutes later. And then Spider
then stripped down to his blue thermal underwear as he

(41:31):
was preparing to get in the shower. So he did
go out to ski with the coach okay, Bob, coach Bob.
And then obviously I would assume you wear thermal clothes
under your face layers to keep warm. So like he'd
gotten down to everything or are you taking everything else
off of that?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
So he had plans later that night to attend a party.
Some accounts say he planned to go with Claddinge, while
others say that he planned to go alone. Sadly, neither
of them would make it to the party. That evening,
Klaudine appeared in the bathroom holding a pistol. A single
shot rang out, hitting Spider in the abdomen. When her
kids ran to see what the sound was, they found
Klaudine holding Spider in her arms, bleeding out. Kluddine called

(42:11):
for help and then sent her children out to wait
for the ambulance. Sadly, Spider died in the ambulance on
the way to the hospital, with Claudine at his side. So,
like I said, he died on the way in the
ambulance because he had lost too much blood. Plautine claimed
that the gun had misfired while Spider was going to
show her how to use it. So she's claiming an
accidental missfire.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Andy Claudine's ex rushed to Aspen to support his ex wife,
but whispers and public opinion of Klaudine quickly shifted. One
resident said, quote, everybody hates her. Oh so again she
and she moved to Aspen to be with him. I'm
going to assume it's like a tight knit ski community

(42:53):
type thing, and she just took one of their biggest
stars by an accident.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Of misfare Okay, so that person didn't mean and like
we hated her before this and we're just putting together.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, it seems like everybody was fine with her until
this happened, so Claudine attended Spider's funeral and burial back
in California before returning to Aspen. Many were rather displeased
with her presence at the funeral, which, like, thinking about
it it, let's say it was an accidental aspire, I'd
still like had of respect for his family, like to

(43:25):
see the person that accidentally did it, whether it was
an accident or not, Like I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It was weird to me to go to the funeral
when like you're the accident or not you're the cause
of the funeral, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, I see what you're saying. At the same time,
if it's truly an accident, then it's like.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Right, and I guess yeah, she like deserves her closure too, right,
like goodbye, I don't good byes, but I don't know.
It just gives me a weird, weird feeling. So when
Claudine got back to Aspen, she learned that she was
being charged with reckless manslaughter, a felony was up to
a ten year prison sentence in a thirty thousand dollars fine.
She hired criminal defense attorneys Charles Weedman out of la

(44:10):
as well as Ron Austin from Aspen. Claudine stood firm
in her claims that the single shot was an accident
and pled not guilty. Trial was set for January nineteen
seventy seven, and the trial was, of course the spectacle.
It was a famous athlete being shot by a senior actress.

(44:31):
Right after the shooting, police forced Claudine into giving a
blood test as well as confiscated her personal diary, both
without warrants. Oh so before the trial, the Colorado Supreme
Court ruled that Claudian's rights were violated by the blood
test and the diary seizure because no warrant. Yeah, the

(44:52):
drug test did show trace amounts of cocaine in her system,
and the diary allegedly documented the downward turn of the
couple's relationship. So they were really hoping to be able
to use this as like, no, she did this on purpose, right,
But they fucked up the most simple part of their job,
and that is to obtain a warrant before doing something.
So like how do you by trying to rush her

(45:14):
into doing something or like forcing her into it, like
you literally just you just.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Take her into talk and then while you're doing that,
you get your warrant to take all the stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I'm I'm just a mom, and I know that I'm
not a trained police officer.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, so it's wild to me that they like thought
they would get away with that, especially in such like
a publicized case.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
It's not like Betty Loo over here accidentally shot her husband.
It's very well known people. So Frank Tucker was the
county prosecutor at the time, and he said of Plautine, quote,
she was in over the Hill Glamour Puss and she
was not going to lose another man.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I'm sorry, can we put over the Hill Glamour Puss
on a T shirt? Please?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
I honestly think I want it, Like I'm picturing like
a platypus with a hat on or something, I don't know,
big sunglasses.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, Like, can we we need to?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I'm going to text you say that we might need
to look into that one because.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's hilarious over the Hill glamour Puss.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
So he also said quote Andy Williams had already dumped
her and she was not going to be dumped again,
thank you. So like that was his thank you, That
was part of his quote. So so sassy, they really frank,
you are just trying to make a name for you
yourself off this one over the whole glamor puss. So

(46:43):
Tucker had read the diary and claimed it was it
was clear the relationship was on the downward spiral. But
like I said, the higher court was like, you don't
get to use that. So because they couldn't use the diary,
Claudine her defense team was able like they had nothing
to refute it. So they were able to insist that
Spider and Claudine's relationship was blissful in love. It turned

(47:08):
relationship into wrestled and.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Here you know, I mean, so they made they.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Were happy to according to her defense team, they were
happy couples fight should happen.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
We're all good.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
So on the first day of jury selection, Claudine sat weeping,
telling reporters quote to me, this is in total despair,
not disrepair and despair. So after three days, a jury
of seven men and five women were finally selected, which
I always forget, like how long that part of trial
can take, like just trying to select the jury. Bob Betty,

(47:40):
he was so Spider's former coach. He was the first
witness to testify.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay, Then a.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Police officer took the stand, testifying that Claudine said she
pointed the gun at Spider and said, quote bang bang
or boom boom.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
How did the police officer know that?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
So supposedly when she said that, she said that, yes,
so like when they I've done seen to you know,
render aide to Spider as well as final what the
buck happened? This police officer claims that that is what
Claudine had said to her or said to him.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I'm sorry, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
No, also was a singular gunshot, so she wouldn't say
bang bang, because that implies more than.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
One unless he was like, I'll show you how to
use that gun. And she was joking around right even then,
right right, all right, I don't believe that happened.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Moving on, I kind of leaned towards the same like
that that seems like you just you wanted to be
part of the same people who rushed for a blood
test in taking her diary without Warrens are also the
people who are saying that she supposedly said this, so
don't know that I believe it. So during this police
officers a testimony, that's the word I have, my brain

(48:46):
had said, like testifying, I'm like, no, that's.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Not the that's the right. Sarah just looked at me
out panicked.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
From her seat at the defense table. Claudine shouted, it's
not true. And surprisingly the judge didn't like get onto
and all about it, like it just kind of like
moved on. So like, okay, police officers saying she said that,
she bursts out like that's not true, and then they
just kind of moved on. Yeah. When the gun itself
was brought up, it was said to be a cheap

(49:14):
knockoff if a German luger that vlad Senior had purchased
well in France to watch his son at the sixty Olympics.
So Vladimir Senior had gone to France to watch Spider
in his key race tour. Think is it a race?
What do you call skiing? Competition?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
What do you mean what do you call skiing?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
They have different events? It depends on Okay, well that's
what my brain just said, is it?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
It was like Sarah all of a sudden, just remember,
just realize what skiing was. When she's been talking about
the because I.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Can picture are the people that like go one at
a time and like fucking shoot themselves into the earth.
That's all I can think of.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
No, that's no what I'm talking about it I do, Yes,
there are different events. It depends on what I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I get that, okay. So his father, well in France
watching Spider, bought this knockoff gun, and then Spider's father
had given it, given the gun to his brother, Steve,
and then Steve asked Spider if he could store it
at his home.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
It's like the family fucking gun.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Literally. Dad purchased, gave it to his brother. Brother. Brother said, hey,
can you hold on to this at your house for me?
Spider said, Shirtpool. That's how the gun ended up there.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
So Claudine claimed that on the day of the shooting,
she had discovered the gun in the closet he defends.
Witness said the safety on the gun was defective and
the firing mechanism had been lubricated with too much grease.
The winness claimed it was entirely possible that the gun
fired accidentally.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
On January, Claudine took the stand. We'd been her attorney
handed her the gun and told her to describe what
happened that day, which I would never want to be
near or see that gun. Event don't have any hand
it to me. It already misfired once and killed the
person I'm in love with? Are you handing this to
me right now?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
So why are we just handling evidence?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Well, they already know.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I don't know, right he just handing around the road.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I don't know. I don't know if it was in
a bag. I don't know if it was like you
know what I mean? Either way, like it seems.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
What, hey, hey, everybody, we're saying that she accidentally shot
this guy. I'm going to give her the gun back,
right what happened?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I thought the same thing, Like, that's that's weird. Don't
do that. So Claudine said, I picked up the gun
and walked towards the bathroom, saying to Spider, I would
like you to tell me about this gun. I kept
walking and I had the gun in my hand. She
then went on to claim that she asked Spider if
the gun was safe. They had a brief exchange about

(51:40):
the safety switch. She went on to say, he said, yes,
it's safe. Then she said it won't fire, and he said,
you've got it. At that instant, she said, the gun
went off. Claudine began crying as she described how Spider
then staggered against a wall holding his abdomen. She said,
quote Spider called my name three times and he sort

(52:00):
of slid down. I told him to try to make
it to talk to me. He was fainting. I tried
to give him mouth to mouth resuscitation, but I didn't
know how.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Guys, we can't just be willing nelly walk around with guns.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
No, and number one rule of guns safety.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Act like it's loaded. Pretend it's loaded. You're never point
in the direction obviously, don't point it's that goes with like,
pretend it it's a loaded gun. A loaded gun, you're
not pointing it.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
And anybody at anyone, even my kid knows like with
his nerve guns, he cracks me up because he'll walk
around like without his finger, like off to the side
of the jugger because he knows you don't put your
finger on the trigger unless you want to shoot them.
But he with the nerve guns, obviously, I just want
to keep neun the nerve guns. We've got nerves all
over the bar right now because of said nerth guns

(52:51):
so her events lawyer then ask her to describe their relationship.
Latine said, quote, Spider and I loved each other very much.
I think we were the very best of friends. There
were times over four years where we disagreed on things,
we would have small arguments, but above all, we were
the very best of friends and loved each other very much.

(53:11):
So she you know, like I said earlier, like all relationships,
no matter how good or bad, like everybody has small arguments.
Everywady has ups and downs. Some days you hate them,
some days you were just head over heels like it's
it's literally just being in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Right, is the prosecution saying that she's gaining anything from
his death?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Though, like other than well, like the prosecution stance was
she couldn't have another man leave her, I don't know man, right,
Like that's literally was there The prosecutions like line was
she wasn't going to allow another man to break up.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
With her, which sounds like she would have been okay.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, she had thirteen million dollars.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Like relying I don't know, yeah, I don't know man.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
So in his closing arguments, which is her defense, attorney
drew on the gun testimony in Claudine's profession of love
she had for Spider, saying quote, if there is any
evil in this town, it was the evil of the
gossip about the relationship between Spider and Claudine. Not one
single loud mouthed gossip was about to come over here

(54:17):
and tell you anything bad about this relationship. For that,
there should be some shame in this community. So basically like,
you guys are a bunch of assholes for doctorship.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Jesus sorry.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
After just four days of testimony, the jury took only
three hours and forty minutes to return with a verdict.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
And you want to give a gun, I think macuilty.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
They decided to convict Claudine on the lesser charges of
criminal negligence criminally negligent homicide, which is a misdemeanor rather
than a felony like the reckless homicide which she originally
was charged with. Claudine now feaced a maximum sentence of
two years and a five thousand dollars bond or sorry fine.

(54:57):
Her sentencing date was January thirty first, nineteen seventy seven,
where the judge said, quote, the defendant did not intentionally
cause the death of Spider.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Say it.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
All of the evidence is that. All of the evidence
is that the defendant and the descendant had a close
personal relationship and the death of descendant was a deep
personal tragedy to her.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
The decedent, Yeah, what did I say?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
My brain sell left me.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
You said it the first time, and I was like, okay,
I think she went deceded.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
No, I'm glad you said that. Yes, definitely decedent not so.
He went on to announce the hostility towards Claudine before sentencing.
Claudine stood before the judge and begged for mercy on
behalf of her children, saying, quote, my children and I
are very close, she whispered. Then she went on to say,

(55:51):
we love each other very much. They respect me, and
they firmly believe in my innocence. They're beautiful, they are happy,
they are very gentle and open with all my heart.
I would like them to stay that way. The judge
said he was certain that Claudine would not commit another crime.
So the judge then sends Claudine to thirty days in

(56:13):
county jail, and like in that sentencing, he made sure
to add a at a time of her choosing. The
fine was only two hundred and fifty dollars. So of
course Spider's family was distraught over the extremely lenient sentence
because again, no matter whether it was an accent or not, like, yeah,
they've lost their family member. Some claimed that had Claudine

(56:37):
not been a celebrity, she would have been or that
she wouldn't have even been charged with the supposed accidental shooting,
which I don't know. I think that could go either way, honestly, Like,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
It sounds like she was found guilty of kind of
what happened, right, So.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
But some people were saying that she only got those
charges to begin with. I think it was one of
the jurors, honestly that said it that she was only
given the life charges. No, that she was only charged
with any charges to begin with because she was a celebrity.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I feel like that usually goes the opposite way, right.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, usually they get up. But again, that was just
one of the jurors. It was like, this is my opinion,
make sure you write it down. I don't know. He
didn't say it that way obviously, but.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I was gonna make fun of him. But we say
this is our opinion. Let's record it.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You you were here for my opinion. So the judge
assumed that Claudine would serve her sentence while her children
were on summer vacation. But Claudine had other plans. Instead,
she ran off to a Mexican seaside with her defense lawyer,
Rob Austin. What sorry, mister Austin abandoned his own family
to take mister Austin. Yeah, this is so messy. It

(57:47):
is extremely messy. So Claudine did eventually serve her time,
mostly on weekends. Wait, she didn't even do all at once. No, literally,
he put in there in the sentencing at a time
of her chance, I said, it went like.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
You pick your thirty days, like you want to do July.
We're doing July.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
It's like, oh, you just collectively to do a couple
of days here, a couple of days there are sure, babes,
you got it.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
That says, when does that?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
What? The sixties?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I would say she got that part of it because
she's a celebrity, for sure, And it.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Did seem that's wild. Maybe the judge was like a
fucking suber fan and just nobody knew it because she's
a singer, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
What's the point even to do it at all? Then?

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I know that's what I was thinking. Doesn't you go
to jail for a day, And the fact that she
could just fucking take up and go to fucking Mexico
right whenever she wanted cool? Okay, So, like I said,
she did eventually serve mostly on the weekends, and Austin
eventually married in eighty five after he divorced his previous
wife that he left for Claudine, and Claudine supposedly is

(58:52):
living out a quiet life in Aspen's Red Mountain with
raw Rob or Ron. Oh God, what did I do?
I have both here with mister Austin. I was gonna say,
Austin Austin is correct. Yeah, and she's I think it's
like eighty three now, living out a quiet life, probably
living off her thirteen millions of dollars that's long gone, Yeah,

(59:13):
but I'm sure she's still getting like royalties and stuff
off of her music and acting.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
You gave her some of the royalties the other day,
I literally did. If that's how that works, that works
through YouTube, I don't that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah, it was a case that, like when I first
started it, I'm like, this is not going to be
long enough. And here we are an hour later.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Wow, well there was only a couple of tangents in there.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
So my.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Sources, oh my god, my brain sell literally left my body.
The one that I had, it's gone. The last one,
all right, So my sources are Crime library Org had
an article by David cred chat Sure. Then all this
Interesting had an article by Marco Marker Tough.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I think the case that I'm looking at has an
article written by that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I think I've read or used a couple of his
articles before, and I fuck his name up every time.
So sorry, Marco, I'm gonna need you to get an
easier name for me. Then there was a medium dot
com article I am not even attempting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Oh you gotta say it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Oh no, it's l j U b I N k
oh okay. And then the last name is z.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I V K O V I c okay, thanks so
much for your work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Then there is a murder Pedia on it, like I said,
that random blog that I found some of her stuff fun.
And then the Smithonian had an article, and then obviously
Wikipedia's for everybody involved solid And that was the death
of a very popular Olympic skier by a one one
article colder like a mildly successful, which I don't get.

(01:00:55):
So again, her singing wasn't for me, but it wasn't bad.
She seemed like she was and she was in a
fuck ton of movies like she's doing a right. That's
aitty comment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Episode is just jealous.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
That's that's that's that's this case that I do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, that's a good one. That's all right. Well we
plucked our socials. We've talked for an hour and a half. Everybody,
wash your water bottles. Please, don't be gross.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Wash your hands so you don't get people sick.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Don't get poison ivy on your face. That's my advice
for the week. Anyway, that's all we have for this week.
Thanks for listening. Bye kay bye,