July 3, 2025 • 28 mins
RE RELEASE: This weeks quicky is going to be a little different, we both are covering unsolved missing persons case. First we tell you about the disappearance of Anjanette Piotrowski, then we cover the disappearance of Sarah Elizabeth Avon.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, I'm t Lisa and I'm Sarah. Welcome to the
Shit Show and Half as True Grand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's us.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's a quickie heck yeah, we're changing up the quickie
for this week a little though. I think we're gonna
try to do this once a month where we each
take a case that is lesser known missing or unsolved
murder with little to no information and we're just gonna
do a quickie episode about it to get those stories
out there, because there are so many yeah, unsolved, lesser
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known missing persons that just don't have enough information to
be a full episode on their own. So like, we've
decided that we're each gonna find, you know, two of
those shorter cases and both do them and one quickie
so that you guys are still getting a quickie episode
and we can also help get those the information out
on those cases, because a lot of times we come
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across those cases but then we're like, well, this isn't
enough to do a full episode even though we really
want to cover it. So now this is a really
good way to cover them and still give you guys
the content that we tried to strive for, right because
those stories are still really important and yeah, should be covered.
So yeah, that's what we're doing. But before I get
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Speaker 1 (03:27):
So I am going to be covering the disappearance of
Anne Jeanette Pietrowski. Okay, okay, So I was scrolling through
Reddit and I saw this post and it was someone
asking how asking how they could get true crime podcasts
to cover a specific case, And that obviously caught my
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attention because that's we do this, that's what we do.
And I was reading through the comments. They didn't say
anything about what the case was or anything in this post.
So I'm reading through the comments trying to see if
someone else already called divs on it or whatever or
just out of and I saw that it was out
of Western New York. So I send a DM, right, hey,
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I co host the show. What case are you talking about?
I would love to look into it?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So then this user sends me a Facebook request and
adds me to these groups. Right. So this her name
is Meg, and she put a ton of time and
effort into this case already on her own and even
to police departments and all this other stuff, and just
needed help getting the story covered and out there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So yeah, here I am. Thanks Meg, You're amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So Anjeanette Pietrowski was born on August thirteenth, nineteen seventy three.
She spent the first days of her life overcoming a
heroin addiction that her mother had passed on to her.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Her early childhood.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Was abusive and she was in like foster homes, and
she ended up being adopted when she was five. Okay,
her mother, her adopted mother, is deceased now, but in
her obituary it says the Angeanette was one of fifteen
siblings and that her adopted family had taken in over
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one hundred foster kids. Good lord, that's so in Like,
could you imagine having that many kids? I know it's
not all at one time. I don't Like, no, I
realized it's not all at one time, but like, just wow,
Like the foster parents are truly amazing, Like just the
work that they do and the fact that they are
so willing to take in these kids that are so
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often broken because of the situations they're coming from, right,
And like, I'm not shitting on the parents whatsoever, but
I just picture that being maybe not super stable for
like the adopted kids that you already have, and just like, hey,
you know chaotic, yeah, for sure, because you have all
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of these kids coming in and out. They're all like
in different levels of trauma. Would you know where they're
probably going to be lashing out? Like right, And I've
never been in that situation at all, So I'm just
what I automatically think of as like a chaotic right
on stables, you know whatever. I'm sure everyone did the
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best they could, for sure. But Anjeanette moved out of
the house when she was seventeen. She did occasionally come
home briefly, but she maintained irregular contact with her family Okay.
She had sometimes a strained relationship with them, but she
did keep in contact with her sister who lived in Mississippi, Okay.
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In the summer of nineteen ninety four, Anteonette was twenty
one years old and she moved to Buffalo from Michigan
with her fiance Dan Erhart, and like his dad, lived
out in Buffalo, so that's where they were moving to stay.
They soon broke up after the move and he ended
up moving back to Michigan, but Anjeanette decided to stay,
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continuing to live with Dan's father, Ronald Okay. She later
moved into a local hotel to stay at and she
was working two minimum.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Wage jobs Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So on October seventeenth of nineteen ninety four, Anjeanette called
and sick to her employer, Polymer Conversions, at one point
thirty in the morning, and then later that day a
mechanic saw her at a car shop in Blasdell, New York.
She was sitting in the passenger seat of her car,
which was being driven by Ronald, and Ronald had stopped
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by the shop to check on his car, which was
in for repairs. Ronald would later tell police that he
and Anjeanette, after they stopped at the repair shop, went
to the Broaderick Park neighborhood in Buffalo, and that they
got into an argument over money. Ronald said that Antett
kicked him out of her car and he walked.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Home alone afterwards.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay. Ronald then stopped by the mechanic shop again later
on October seventeenth, and the mechanic says that Ronald had
changed his clothes by the time he stopped by that
second time, and that Anjeanette was not with him, and
that was the last time she was ever like seen
or heard from.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Was the first time the shop.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, so, Ronald had written a check for an apartment
that Anteinette was planning to move into, but he canceled
that check before she was even reported missing. He also
cleared out the belongings of where she was staying, like
all of her belongings, like within the week. So I
read in one place that he reported her missing, but
I read in multiple other places that concerned coworkers reported
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her missing. So I leaned towards the coworker. Yeah, well,
especially because that's not suspicious at all, that your canceling
checks and taking her belongings before she's even reported. Okay,
So her car was found a few days later on
the city's south side, and she also had left behind
two of her paychecks, so that obviously says she didn't
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just walk away on her right, you know, those are
things that she would definitely right take with her. Ronald
was extensively interviewed in Anjeanette's disappearance, but he was never charged.
He maintained his innocence and told police that his relationship
with an Jeannette was fatherly, but police said that they
believed that they may have been romantically involved. Shortly after
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her disappearance, Ronald moved to Kentucky, and I believe Dan,
the ex boyfriend fiance Ronald's son, did as well. And
I think like both have been married and divorced several
times since then and all of that. During the investigation,
police also discovered a clump of human hair at Ronald's
hunting camp, but DNA results were inconclusive. That's not suspicious
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at all, Right, Like, hey, ron where the fuck did
this come from? Right? Like, random clump of hair is
very questionable. Right. In early April of nineteen ninety five,
a headless and hand handless body washed onto the shore
of Lake Ontario. It was very badly decomposed and had
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likely been in the water for months. Because of the
decomposed state, it was like impossible to get usable DNA,
you know, obviously every effort was made for that. Police
did say that the ice and currents were likely responsible
for the head and hands being missing, but outside of that,
they wouldn't comment on the body, which when I was
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reading through this kind of made me wonder, like, are
they are they holding something back about that body? You know,
ready they do that and you know, yeah, But also
when I read that the body was missing those parts,
I was like, well, that's I mean, everything that you
could clearly identify someone with is gone, right. That's pretty
like if some many murders somebody that like a lot
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of the times, those are the things that they right
removed and it is identify. It is very possible though
that it was just the occurrence, right. So also, investigators
did track down a Jeanette's biological mother in Michigan and
obtained a sample of her DNA to hopefully identify oh
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Janet eventually, and I think they were initially hoping that
they could compare Antijanet's DNA to that of the body
that washed up, but the DNA from the body was
not usable. Right at the time of her disappearance, Anjeanette
was twenty one years old. She was about five foot
five and weighed one hundred and twenty pounds. She was
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last seen wearing a pink camouflage print shirt, a black
sweatshirt with the image of a gold horse and the
word Kentucky on it, light colored jeans, and suede buckshoes.
Angeanette was biracial. She was Caucasian and Hispanic and possibly
Native American. She had brown hair and brown hazel eyes,
and she has a tattoo of a flower on the right.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Side of her chest.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I am going to read this quote from Meg
who had worked so hard on Antinette story, or works
so hard to get Anjeanette story out there.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, okay, she.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Said, I know sometimes we have to accept that this
is not a just world. I believe we should always
fight and be heard for those who have been silenced.
Someday you will plead for mercy and for you there
will be none. Karma always comes back around. I didn't
know Anjeanette in life but I feel I do in death,
and I'll continue to do my best to keep her
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memory alive.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm sorry Sarah's crying.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's just such a beautiful like.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like it was so well worded, and.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Meg is an amazing human being and we all need
we need more of her. Yes, you not one hundred percent?
I yeah, yeah, I can't speak right now. Yes, And
it just like it really highlights the fact that like
Meg didn't know Angeinette or anyone connected to this story,
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you know what I mean. But she found out about
the case and was so moved by it that she's
worked hard to get it out there and try to
figure it out. So if you have any information about
the disappearance of Antjeannette Pietrowski, you're encouraged to contact the
Hamburg Police Department at seven one six six four nine
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three eight zero zero. You okay, boom, Nope, I still
can't pull myself to other. Fuck Like Meg's truly like
I obviously haven't talked to her, but you haven't. Just
like the fact that she didn't know her at all,
and she cares so much and she's poured so much
into it, Like what a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Person, right, this case.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Researching this was hard because there was you know, little
to no information, and that makes it I feel like
it's so much worse because there's no one right doing
anything about it, no one talking about it besides Meg,
and really, I mean this seems like we could all
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kind of lean into the side of we know, probably
who did it right? Right, you would need a witness,
or you would need a confession or you know, there's
I don't know, it's so frustrating. Yeah, these cases are
very frustrating and heartbreaking, so heartbreaking because she had such
a hard life to begin with, you know, right from birth,
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So I don't know, really frustrating. I was honored to
be a part of trying to get her name back
out there and.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
To cover the case.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So my sources were the Snow Funeral Home dot net,
Charlie Project dot org, Justice for Nativewomen dot com, and
dough Network dot org. So there is that I feel
like with the with the with like these episodes that
we're going to start doing. Obviously most of our listeners
probably aren't gonna be in that area or no anything,
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but like even if you just shared those episodes so
that those cases can still be heard by more people like, right,
because this are of all the episodes to share, like,
these are the ones that we would most appreciate being shared, right.
And in this case, you have Buffalo, New York, you
have Michigan, and you have ties to Kentucky. Yeah. So
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I mean, if you're an ex girlfriend, ex wife, current
my second cousin of either of those guys, I don't know,
maybe take a step back and.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, for sure what was going on around that time.
So but that just one last huge high five and
thank you to Meg. Yes, all right, I am going
to tell you about the disappearance of Sarah Elizabeth Avon.
Six year old Sarah Elizabeth Avon was last seen in
front of her home in the seven hundred block of
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Richard's Street and Juliet, Illinois, on July twenty first, nineteen
eighty one. She was outside her home with her five
year old sister Marie and some friends for preparing to
catch fireflies because you know the eighties, that's right.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Why are you stabbing me in the hurt?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I know, I am like already so fucked up over yours,
and I'm like, I'm still trying not to cry from yours,
and I'm like, no, I'm reading mine and I'm just
gonna like we're crying during this time. I'm sorry everybody,
but ugh. Some accounts say that Sarah had walked across
the street to see if a friend was home, while
others say she had walked across the street after a
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disagreement with a friend. Either way, Sarah was never seen again.
Around eight fifty pm, Mary Avon, Sarah's mom, said she
had called out for the girls to come in, but
only Marie had returned. Mary and some other concerned neighbors
searched the area for about thirty minutes before they called
the Will County Sheriff. Over the next few days, police
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and neighbors continued to search, going house to house looking
under bushes. Firefighters even dredged in nearby Cory multiple times.
Mary said Sarah is quiet and reserved around people she
didn't know, and had been taught not to get in
a car with a stranger. So same as us, like,
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go out, have fun, play with your friends, come back
when I yelled you stay away from strangers.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, like literally and agree.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, same thing our parents told us as kids, like
go have fun in the front yard, play with your friends.
When I know your name exactly, but even then like
still things happen.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
A week later, the police had no new information on
Sarah's disappearance. Sarah was four feet tall and weighed about
seventy five pounds. She had brown eyes and blonde hair.
She was last seen wearing a blue Joliette Park District's
soccer shirt, blue dragging pants with white and blue shoes.
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In nineteen ninety three, a former neighbor, Ernest Wilson Senior,
gave a supposed deathbed revelation his nephew, Robert. To Judge
told police that Wilson was unable to speak, but that
he drew a distinct triangle triangular shape on a piece
of paper and put a circle inside the triangle. Family
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thought that it was meant to represent the triangle shaped
lat and Juliette, where Wilson had lived. In nineteen eighty one,
Wilson's son and another boy allegedly implicated themselves in Sarah's
disappearance and possible murder. The sun was fifteen at the
time and mentally disturbed. According to all reports, Robert said
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he had a conversation with a nephew he admitted to
sexually molesting Sarah the night she went missing. He also
said that he was in the house when Sarah was murdered.
Robert said that Wilson had buried Sarah's body on the
Juliet property to protect his son. How far away is
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this triangular lot from where she went missing? I don't
think it gave the address, but I don't think it
was that far.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
It doesn't say it just says that they're both in Juliet, Okay.
So this story was backed up by a teenager witness
at the time. The witness said that he had gone
outside during the night and saw Wilson digging a deep
hole in his yard. The whole was is said to
be chest deep. When the witness asked Wilson what he
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was digging for, Wilson said he wanted to transplant sunflowers.
On another night, the same witness saw Wilson using his bulldozer,
pushing mounds of dirt near the Hickory Creek and knocking
trees down on the junction of Hickory Creek and Spring Creek.
So I'm I'm assuming like right where the kid had
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seen him digging.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Up before, right now, like covering it up more.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right later, the Wilson's moved there above ground pool near
where Wilson was using his bulldozer. So after receiving this
tip from Robert, please dug up the banquet line on
Miller Ab and Julia, which had been the Wilson's property
in nineteen eighty one. So I just looked it up
real quick, and I don't have the exact addresses, but
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the streets looked like about six minute drive apart, so not.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
You know, overly far, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
One official believed that the area excavated was too small
to know for sure if Sarah was buried there or not.
The witness that saw Wilson that digging the night Sarah
went missing didn't think police were digging deep enough while
searching for Sarah either. So it was a police special
who or an official who didn't think that they were
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digging a broad enough area. And then the witness also
didn't think that they were digging deep enough, because I
remember he said that he saw him in like a
chest deep. Plus he had been bulldozing stuff over that site,
so right, yeah, so still the possibilities there. Obviously, in
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January nineteen eighty five, police thought they found a picture
of Sarah and the apartment of David R. Collins. Collins
was previously convicted of kidnapping eighteen in California and was
also can did of assault in many other cases. There
were at least twenty five pictures found in his apartment,
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including what was thought to be one of another missing
girl named Nelita del Baya, who was abducted in nineteen
seventy six from Massachusetts. Sadly, the photos were later identified
as someone else, so both of those girls ended up
not being in those photos. Authorities now do not believe
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Collins had anything to do with Sarah or Nealita's disappearance.
Police publish the photos in newspapers and hopes that the
public could identify the people in them. Sarah's case remains open.
In two thousand and four, authorities dug under an old
garage on Nole Road, just south of Juliet. The only
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thing they found was or was clothing and no evidence
related to Sarah's disappearance. Sarah was believed to be abducted
by a stranger. She would be forty five year old.
Forty five years old today, so cases like this always
make me think of like Michelle Knight, jac Duguard was
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as smart, you know what I mean? When I was
taken young, and like, could you always hold out hope
that like maybe they did live? And I'm such a skeptic,
like I obviously the most likely answer is that they didn't, right,
But like I always hold out hope that maybe they
are out there somewhere and or you know, maybe they
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were kidnapped. And you see those weird random cases every
once in a while where like somebod who was kidnapped
as a kid and then raised by this other family
and didn't even know who they were to start with.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think there's something too that teenage witness that's him
begging the hole and stuff. So yeah, no, I agree,
but I always I just want to hope for the best, right,
just sad like, like I can't imagine, right, So if
you or anybody you know, obviously the same thing that
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we just said with Lisa's that you know, and like,
as we always say, like even if you think that
what you saw was just nothing, really you're such a
small piece that wouldn't help. Those are the pieces that
actually like always end up helping. Like the person who
thinks that what they have to say, really isn't that much,
but a lot of times that is just that tiny
little puzzle piece that they need to help them move
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further along. Right, And also like props to that teenager
for one seeing something wicked sketchy and then saying something
about it, yes, and then also again speaking up saying
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You guys were digging deep enough, right, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Good for you, like I don't know even you are,
but that we need more people like that. So if again,
if anybody has any information on Sarah Elizabeth Avon, please
call Will County Sheriff's Office at eight one five seven
two seven eight five seven four or one eight hundred
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two two two eight four seven seven for the Crime
Steppers tip line. My sources for our cccmcc dot com,
Charlie Project dot org, and the Harold News dot com.
By Brian Stanley. I know before we did this, I
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don't know if we said it on here that we
wanted to start doing these once a month, but I'm
fucking this.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
One was hard.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I know this. These cases for me are are almost harder. Yeah,
because there's no information. I want there to be information,
like I want the story to get out there and
like these are the ones that aren't in the in
the news anymore that because there's no information. Yeah so yeah,
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so speaking of that, if anywhere listeners have any cases
similar to this that are unsolved smissing person type cases
that there's just not that much information on, we would
love to cover those in like this and this type
of quickie where we can both do one so that
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everybody's still getting like a full episode or you know,
a regular episode what not. But then I kind of
like that we both get to cover something and get
more information out there because it's hard because you know,
these people still have family out there that are still
hoping someday that they're going to get the answer on
what happened.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And there's still somebody out there that did it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Exactly that too, like that piece of fucking human garbage
is walking around going grocery shopping, doing regular.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Life stuff, possibly doing it to other people.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, so definitely, And we want these cases from anywhere.
It doesn't have to be I know, we typically cover
cases from our area, our areas or whatever, but I
want them from anywhere.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So same sentiment.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Anywhere. Email. Our email is shit Show TCP at gmail
dot com, so you can also d dm us on
any of our social media's and we'll see it. So
all right, Well, since this is a quickie, I guess
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But I think that's a'll we have for this one.
Thanks for listening, Kay bye, Kay bye,
Hey, I'm t Lisa and I'm Sarah. Welcome to the
Shit Show and Half as True Grand podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's us.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's a quickie heck yeah, we're changing up the quickie
for this week a little though. I think we're gonna
try to do this once a month where we each
take a case that is lesser known missing or unsolved
murder with little to no information and we're just gonna
do a quickie episode about it to get those stories
out there, because there are so many yeah, unsolved, lesser
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known missing persons that just don't have enough information to
be a full episode on their own. So like, we've
decided that we're each gonna find, you know, two of
those shorter cases and both do them and one quickie
so that you guys are still getting a quickie episode
and we can also help get those the information out
on those cases, because a lot of times we come
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across those cases but then we're like, well, this isn't
enough to do a full episode even though we really
want to cover it. So now this is a really
good way to cover them and still give you guys
the content that we tried to strive for, right because
those stories are still really important and yeah, should be covered.
So yeah, that's what we're doing. But before I get
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into my story, just a quick reminder that we do
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Speaker 2 (02:09):
Right, So there's that.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Also, we just recently recorded a new Patreon case, so
that'll be coming out soon, the Wonderland Gang Murder.
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Speaker 1 (03:27):
So I am going to be covering the disappearance of
Anne Jeanette Pietrowski. Okay, okay, So I was scrolling through
Reddit and I saw this post and it was someone
asking how asking how they could get true crime podcasts
to cover a specific case, And that obviously caught my
(03:49):
attention because that's we do this, that's what we do.
And I was reading through the comments. They didn't say
anything about what the case was or anything in this post.
So I'm reading through the comments trying to see if
someone else already called divs on it or whatever or
just out of and I saw that it was out
of Western New York. So I send a DM, right, hey,
(04:09):
I co host the show. What case are you talking about?
I would love to look into it?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So then this user sends me a Facebook request and
adds me to these groups. Right. So this her name
is Meg, and she put a ton of time and
effort into this case already on her own and even
to police departments and all this other stuff, and just
needed help getting the story covered and out there.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
So yeah, here I am. Thanks Meg, You're amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So Anjeanette Pietrowski was born on August thirteenth, nineteen seventy three.
She spent the first days of her life overcoming a
heroin addiction that her mother had passed on to her.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Her early childhood.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Was abusive and she was in like foster homes, and
she ended up being adopted when she was five. Okay,
her mother, her adopted mother, is deceased now, but in
her obituary it says the Angeanette was one of fifteen
siblings and that her adopted family had taken in over
(05:17):
one hundred foster kids. Good lord, that's so in Like,
could you imagine having that many kids? I know it's
not all at one time. I don't Like, no, I
realized it's not all at one time, but like, just wow,
Like the foster parents are truly amazing, Like just the
work that they do and the fact that they are
so willing to take in these kids that are so
(05:39):
often broken because of the situations they're coming from, right,
And like, I'm not shitting on the parents whatsoever, but
I just picture that being maybe not super stable for
like the adopted kids that you already have, and just like, hey,
you know chaotic, yeah, for sure, because you have all
(06:00):
of these kids coming in and out. They're all like
in different levels of trauma. Would you know where they're
probably going to be lashing out? Like right, And I've
never been in that situation at all, So I'm just
what I automatically think of as like a chaotic right
on stables, you know whatever. I'm sure everyone did the
(06:21):
best they could, for sure. But Anjeanette moved out of
the house when she was seventeen. She did occasionally come
home briefly, but she maintained irregular contact with her family Okay.
She had sometimes a strained relationship with them, but she
did keep in contact with her sister who lived in Mississippi, Okay.
(06:43):
In the summer of nineteen ninety four, Anteonette was twenty
one years old and she moved to Buffalo from Michigan
with her fiance Dan Erhart, and like his dad, lived
out in Buffalo, so that's where they were moving to stay.
They soon broke up after the move and he ended
up moving back to Michigan, but Anjeanette decided to stay,
(07:05):
continuing to live with Dan's father, Ronald Okay. She later
moved into a local hotel to stay at and she
was working two minimum.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Wage jobs Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
So on October seventeenth of nineteen ninety four, Anjeanette called
and sick to her employer, Polymer Conversions, at one point
thirty in the morning, and then later that day a
mechanic saw her at a car shop in Blasdell, New York.
She was sitting in the passenger seat of her car,
which was being driven by Ronald, and Ronald had stopped
(07:41):
by the shop to check on his car, which was
in for repairs. Ronald would later tell police that he
and Anjeanette, after they stopped at the repair shop, went
to the Broaderick Park neighborhood in Buffalo, and that they
got into an argument over money. Ronald said that Antett
kicked him out of her car and he walked.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Home alone afterwards.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay. Ronald then stopped by the mechanic shop again later
on October seventeenth, and the mechanic says that Ronald had
changed his clothes by the time he stopped by that
second time, and that Anjeanette was not with him, and
that was the last time she was ever like seen
or heard from.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Was the first time the shop.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah, so, Ronald had written a check for an apartment
that Anteinette was planning to move into, but he canceled
that check before she was even reported missing. He also
cleared out the belongings of where she was staying, like
all of her belongings, like within the week. So I
read in one place that he reported her missing, but
I read in multiple other places that concerned coworkers reported
(08:45):
her missing. So I leaned towards the coworker. Yeah, well,
especially because that's not suspicious at all, that your canceling
checks and taking her belongings before she's even reported. Okay,
So her car was found a few days later on
the city's south side, and she also had left behind
two of her paychecks, so that obviously says she didn't
(09:07):
just walk away on her right, you know, those are
things that she would definitely right take with her. Ronald
was extensively interviewed in Anjeanette's disappearance, but he was never charged.
He maintained his innocence and told police that his relationship
with an Jeannette was fatherly, but police said that they
believed that they may have been romantically involved. Shortly after
(09:31):
her disappearance, Ronald moved to Kentucky, and I believe Dan,
the ex boyfriend fiance Ronald's son, did as well. And
I think like both have been married and divorced several
times since then and all of that. During the investigation,
police also discovered a clump of human hair at Ronald's
hunting camp, but DNA results were inconclusive. That's not suspicious
(09:53):
at all, Right, Like, hey, ron where the fuck did
this come from? Right? Like, random clump of hair is
very questionable. Right. In early April of nineteen ninety five,
a headless and hand handless body washed onto the shore
of Lake Ontario. It was very badly decomposed and had
(10:15):
likely been in the water for months. Because of the
decomposed state, it was like impossible to get usable DNA,
you know, obviously every effort was made for that. Police
did say that the ice and currents were likely responsible
for the head and hands being missing, but outside of that,
they wouldn't comment on the body, which when I was
(10:36):
reading through this kind of made me wonder, like, are
they are they holding something back about that body? You know,
ready they do that and you know, yeah, But also
when I read that the body was missing those parts,
I was like, well, that's I mean, everything that you
could clearly identify someone with is gone, right. That's pretty
like if some many murders somebody that like a lot
(10:56):
of the times, those are the things that they right
removed and it is identify. It is very possible though
that it was just the occurrence, right. So also, investigators
did track down a Jeanette's biological mother in Michigan and
obtained a sample of her DNA to hopefully identify oh
(11:17):
Janet eventually, and I think they were initially hoping that
they could compare Antijanet's DNA to that of the body
that washed up, but the DNA from the body was
not usable. Right at the time of her disappearance, Anjeanette
was twenty one years old. She was about five foot
five and weighed one hundred and twenty pounds. She was
(11:38):
last seen wearing a pink camouflage print shirt, a black
sweatshirt with the image of a gold horse and the
word Kentucky on it, light colored jeans, and suede buckshoes.
Angeanette was biracial. She was Caucasian and Hispanic and possibly
Native American. She had brown hair and brown hazel eyes,
and she has a tattoo of a flower on the right.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Side of her chest.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I am going to read this quote from Meg
who had worked so hard on Antinette story, or works
so hard to get Anjeanette story out there.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, okay, she.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Said, I know sometimes we have to accept that this
is not a just world. I believe we should always
fight and be heard for those who have been silenced.
Someday you will plead for mercy and for you there
will be none. Karma always comes back around. I didn't
know Anjeanette in life but I feel I do in death,
and I'll continue to do my best to keep her
(12:35):
memory alive.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm sorry Sarah's crying.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's just such a beautiful like.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Like it was so well worded, and.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Meg is an amazing human being and we all need
we need more of her. Yes, you not one hundred percent?
I yeah, yeah, I can't speak right now. Yes, And
it just like it really highlights the fact that like
Meg didn't know Angeinette or anyone connected to this story,
(13:12):
you know what I mean. But she found out about
the case and was so moved by it that she's
worked hard to get it out there and try to
figure it out. So if you have any information about
the disappearance of Antjeannette Pietrowski, you're encouraged to contact the
Hamburg Police Department at seven one six six four nine
(13:34):
three eight zero zero. You okay, boom, Nope, I still
can't pull myself to other. Fuck Like Meg's truly like
I obviously haven't talked to her, but you haven't. Just
like the fact that she didn't know her at all,
and she cares so much and she's poured so much
into it, Like what a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Person, right, this case.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Researching this was hard because there was you know, little
to no information, and that makes it I feel like
it's so much worse because there's no one right doing
anything about it, no one talking about it besides Meg,
and really, I mean this seems like we could all
(14:19):
kind of lean into the side of we know, probably
who did it right? Right, you would need a witness,
or you would need a confession or you know, there's
I don't know, it's so frustrating. Yeah, these cases are
very frustrating and heartbreaking, so heartbreaking because she had such
a hard life to begin with, you know, right from birth,
(14:41):
So I don't know, really frustrating. I was honored to
be a part of trying to get her name back
out there and.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
To cover the case.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So my sources were the Snow Funeral Home dot net,
Charlie Project dot org, Justice for Nativewomen dot com, and
dough Network dot org. So there is that I feel
like with the with the with like these episodes that
we're going to start doing. Obviously most of our listeners
probably aren't gonna be in that area or no anything,
(15:14):
but like even if you just shared those episodes so
that those cases can still be heard by more people like, right,
because this are of all the episodes to share, like,
these are the ones that we would most appreciate being shared, right.
And in this case, you have Buffalo, New York, you
have Michigan, and you have ties to Kentucky. Yeah. So
(15:35):
I mean, if you're an ex girlfriend, ex wife, current
my second cousin of either of those guys, I don't know,
maybe take a step back and.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, for sure what was going on around that time.
So but that just one last huge high five and
thank you to Meg. Yes, all right, I am going
to tell you about the disappearance of Sarah Elizabeth Avon.
Six year old Sarah Elizabeth Avon was last seen in
front of her home in the seven hundred block of
(16:09):
Richard's Street and Juliet, Illinois, on July twenty first, nineteen
eighty one. She was outside her home with her five
year old sister Marie and some friends for preparing to
catch fireflies because you know the eighties, that's right.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Why are you stabbing me in the hurt?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I know, I am like already so fucked up over yours,
and I'm like, I'm still trying not to cry from yours,
and I'm like, no, I'm reading mine and I'm just
gonna like we're crying during this time. I'm sorry everybody,
but ugh. Some accounts say that Sarah had walked across
the street to see if a friend was home, while
others say she had walked across the street after a
(16:52):
disagreement with a friend. Either way, Sarah was never seen again.
Around eight fifty pm, Mary Avon, Sarah's mom, said she
had called out for the girls to come in, but
only Marie had returned. Mary and some other concerned neighbors
searched the area for about thirty minutes before they called
the Will County Sheriff. Over the next few days, police
(17:14):
and neighbors continued to search, going house to house looking
under bushes. Firefighters even dredged in nearby Cory multiple times.
Mary said Sarah is quiet and reserved around people she
didn't know, and had been taught not to get in
a car with a stranger. So same as us, like,
(17:36):
go out, have fun, play with your friends, come back
when I yelled you stay away from strangers.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, like literally and agree.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, same thing our parents told us as kids, like
go have fun in the front yard, play with your friends.
When I know your name exactly, but even then like
still things happen.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
A week later, the police had no new information on
Sarah's disappearance. Sarah was four feet tall and weighed about
seventy five pounds. She had brown eyes and blonde hair.
She was last seen wearing a blue Joliette Park District's
soccer shirt, blue dragging pants with white and blue shoes.
(18:23):
In nineteen ninety three, a former neighbor, Ernest Wilson Senior,
gave a supposed deathbed revelation his nephew, Robert. To Judge
told police that Wilson was unable to speak, but that
he drew a distinct triangle triangular shape on a piece
of paper and put a circle inside the triangle. Family
(18:44):
thought that it was meant to represent the triangle shaped
lat and Juliette, where Wilson had lived. In nineteen eighty one,
Wilson's son and another boy allegedly implicated themselves in Sarah's
disappearance and possible murder. The sun was fifteen at the
time and mentally disturbed. According to all reports, Robert said
(19:08):
he had a conversation with a nephew he admitted to
sexually molesting Sarah the night she went missing. He also
said that he was in the house when Sarah was murdered.
Robert said that Wilson had buried Sarah's body on the
Juliet property to protect his son. How far away is
(19:28):
this triangular lot from where she went missing? I don't
think it gave the address, but I don't think it
was that far.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
It doesn't say it just says that they're both in Juliet, Okay.
So this story was backed up by a teenager witness
at the time. The witness said that he had gone
outside during the night and saw Wilson digging a deep
hole in his yard. The whole was is said to
be chest deep. When the witness asked Wilson what he
(20:06):
was digging for, Wilson said he wanted to transplant sunflowers.
On another night, the same witness saw Wilson using his bulldozer,
pushing mounds of dirt near the Hickory Creek and knocking
trees down on the junction of Hickory Creek and Spring Creek.
So I'm I'm assuming like right where the kid had
(20:28):
seen him digging.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Up before, right now, like covering it up more.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right later, the Wilson's moved there above ground pool near
where Wilson was using his bulldozer. So after receiving this
tip from Robert, please dug up the banquet line on
Miller Ab and Julia, which had been the Wilson's property
in nineteen eighty one. So I just looked it up
real quick, and I don't have the exact addresses, but
(20:55):
the streets looked like about six minute drive apart, so not.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
You know, overly far, okay.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
One official believed that the area excavated was too small
to know for sure if Sarah was buried there or not.
The witness that saw Wilson that digging the night Sarah
went missing didn't think police were digging deep enough while
searching for Sarah either. So it was a police special
who or an official who didn't think that they were
(21:26):
digging a broad enough area. And then the witness also
didn't think that they were digging deep enough, because I
remember he said that he saw him in like a
chest deep. Plus he had been bulldozing stuff over that site,
so right, yeah, so still the possibilities there. Obviously, in
(21:47):
January nineteen eighty five, police thought they found a picture
of Sarah and the apartment of David R. Collins. Collins
was previously convicted of kidnapping eighteen in California and was
also can did of assault in many other cases. There
were at least twenty five pictures found in his apartment,
(22:09):
including what was thought to be one of another missing
girl named Nelita del Baya, who was abducted in nineteen
seventy six from Massachusetts. Sadly, the photos were later identified
as someone else, so both of those girls ended up
not being in those photos. Authorities now do not believe
(22:34):
Collins had anything to do with Sarah or Nealita's disappearance.
Police publish the photos in newspapers and hopes that the
public could identify the people in them. Sarah's case remains open.
In two thousand and four, authorities dug under an old
garage on Nole Road, just south of Juliet. The only
(22:58):
thing they found was or was clothing and no evidence
related to Sarah's disappearance. Sarah was believed to be abducted
by a stranger. She would be forty five year old.
Forty five years old today, so cases like this always
make me think of like Michelle Knight, jac Duguard was
(23:19):
as smart, you know what I mean? When I was
taken young, and like, could you always hold out hope
that like maybe they did live? And I'm such a skeptic,
like I obviously the most likely answer is that they didn't, right,
But like I always hold out hope that maybe they
are out there somewhere and or you know, maybe they
(23:40):
were kidnapped. And you see those weird random cases every
once in a while where like somebod who was kidnapped
as a kid and then raised by this other family
and didn't even know who they were to start with.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I think there's something too that teenage witness that's him
begging the hole and stuff. So yeah, no, I agree,
but I always I just want to hope for the best, right,
just sad like, like I can't imagine, right, So if
you or anybody you know, obviously the same thing that
(24:12):
we just said with Lisa's that you know, and like,
as we always say, like even if you think that
what you saw was just nothing, really you're such a
small piece that wouldn't help. Those are the pieces that
actually like always end up helping. Like the person who
thinks that what they have to say, really isn't that much,
but a lot of times that is just that tiny
little puzzle piece that they need to help them move
(24:35):
further along. Right, And also like props to that teenager
for one seeing something wicked sketchy and then saying something
about it, yes, and then also again speaking up saying
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You guys were digging deep enough, right, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Good for you, like I don't know even you are,
but that we need more people like that. So if again,
if anybody has any information on Sarah Elizabeth Avon, please
call Will County Sheriff's Office at eight one five seven
two seven eight five seven four or one eight hundred
(25:12):
two two two eight four seven seven for the Crime
Steppers tip line. My sources for our cccmcc dot com,
Charlie Project dot org, and the Harold News dot com.
By Brian Stanley. I know before we did this, I
(25:34):
don't know if we said it on here that we
wanted to start doing these once a month, but I'm
fucking this.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
One was hard.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
I know this. These cases for me are are almost harder. Yeah,
because there's no information. I want there to be information,
like I want the story to get out there and
like these are the ones that aren't in the in
the news anymore that because there's no information. Yeah so yeah,
(26:03):
so speaking of that, if anywhere listeners have any cases
similar to this that are unsolved smissing person type cases
that there's just not that much information on, we would
love to cover those in like this and this type
of quickie where we can both do one so that
(26:24):
everybody's still getting like a full episode or you know,
a regular episode what not. But then I kind of
like that we both get to cover something and get
more information out there because it's hard because you know,
these people still have family out there that are still
hoping someday that they're going to get the answer on
what happened.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And there's still somebody out there that did it.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Exactly that too, like that piece of fucking human garbage
is walking around going grocery shopping, doing regular.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Life stuff, possibly doing it to other people.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yeah, so definitely, And we want these cases from anywhere.
It doesn't have to be I know, we typically cover
cases from our area, our areas or whatever, but I
want them from anywhere.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So same sentiment.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Anywhere. Email. Our email is shit Show TCP at gmail
dot com, so you can also d dm us on
any of our social media's and we'll see it. So
all right, Well, since this is a quickie, I guess
you can let everyone know where to get us. Yep.
So you can find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter
(27:32):
at the Shit Show TCP and as I said, you
can email us at Chip Show TCP at gmail dot com.
And like Talisa said, you can direct message us on
any of those platforms or email us if you would
prefer whatever you'd prefer, if you have a case that
you would like for us to cover. Yes, you can
(27:52):
find us on all Everything Entertainment Network. That's All Everything
Entertainment dot com. They've got a plus throw of shows
I think anything that you would want to listen to.
You can also find us anywhere you would listen to
a podcast, except for Pandora. Still, please like, subscribe, shares
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with your friends. Any nice reviews would be welcome and appreciated.
But I think that's a'll we have for this one.
Thanks for listening, Kay bye, Kay bye,
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