June 9, 2025 • 21 mins
goto napo.net for education, hiring a professional organizer or networking. My relationship with the top rated association has had its ups and downs. I tell some of my story.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It is Monday, June ninth, twenty twenty five. It is
The Super Organized Show with James Lott Junior. I'm James
on Jesup. Organizer started thanks and gratitude. I know you
saw you saw the title, so we'll give to that,
(00:26):
but I won't give thanks to gratitude to anything in
my life that may have started out negative and turned positive.
And that's just something that we're gonna this episode I'm
gonna talk about. It was very much life is never
set in stone. Their situations can change, and I'm appreciative
(00:46):
of people who are willing to make that change with me.
There are friendships that ended and came back. There are
people who didn't like me at first and became friends.
I mean, there's all kind of situations. Jobs that are
like and we got better like there are there are
some happy endings. I mean, there's always things that go
the other direction, but I want to accentuate that, and
(01:09):
that leads into this story.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm saying, I'm somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
As you know, my ten years doing the show, there
were fourigner shows of the show, and I have talked
about the past, and I forget those past episodes are
still out there, so several folks that said, James, you
have intimated that you haven't had a very interesting relationship
(01:33):
with NAPO, and we want to blah why. I won't
know why. I'm very very transparent person. You always tell
the truth. Shame the devil, blah blah. And we're just
and we're newer, we're newer listeners and newer watches.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And a couple of them actually went back that heard
the actual story for a long time.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So a long time ago when.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I was angry, and I said, so, I guess I
should do because I attended the university because one of
the things that happened during my ten years, let's talk
about it. And literally, I'm telling you there is a
happy ending to this, a happier end, happish ending to this.
I'm using this as as a learning experience, not just
be silacious and shit on a North association. That's not
(02:16):
what I'm doing. So anybody from NAPO is watching, you know,
I love you guys, and I support obviously, I support
you guys. I promote you guys, but I'm not a
member still yet, I'm not rejoined, but I do I
do celebrate what you guys have done, and diversity that
you've been working on when your president is a black woman,
(02:37):
Karen Baker, there's a lot going on now and that
that wasn't going on when I first when I first
joined years ago. So I with everybody knows it's not
just a salacious kind of whatever. But now we'll go
into every detail, but I will give you kind of
what my naship was like. So I've been in this
(02:58):
business almost seventeen years. I'm a long timer. Now, I've
been in this for a long time. I'm very and
I'm very successful. And here's what's so funny. Just now,
as I'm talking to you, former President Mindy Godding is
accepted my invite on LinkedIn. Hi Mindy, one of the
ones I like. I love Mindy to shout to her,
just ironic as recording this, I'm like Mindy Godding, I
(03:22):
love her. I love Mindy. She's wonderful. Also, Okay, okay, okay,
So I just I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I love life how this works.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So years ago I became an organizer, didn't know who
Napel was, what it was going on in and I
never heard of before. And a couple of years in
I started to hear about this thing because I was
going to line and I was meeting people, and they
were like, this is an organization.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Actually, there was two organizations I was used to and
I was ICD and NAPLE.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
There were like these two organizations and a couple others
were out there that were smaller, but NAPLE was like
a larger one, and.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I decided to.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And I was speaking ten years ago was my first
APLE conference. I was in the one in Los Angeles.
I lived here in Los Angeles. I went to the
morn in La so kind of iron. So I joined
NAPLE first and I paid paid my money. I do
every month, I mean every year my money, and I
(04:23):
was like, okay, I kind of liked they had some classes, seminars,
you to meet people. I was kind of still I
didn't get fully it at first. I was kind of
kind of looking around, what's going on, and that's not
meeting people and people.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Are friendly, and I was like, oh, this is great.
I kind of like me.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I like to being a part of association. I came
from working for an association, so I kind of liked
that whole. And I tried a few others and I
just didn't like them. I will say ICD was very
I didn't have to join them either, but they were
very welcoming to me. They were just like, oh my goodness,
how are you nice to meet? You need sent me
some books? I mean whole they were so nice to me.
(05:02):
I had never heard you guys before about Hollywood. You
know what's going on? And I was like, okay, there's
some water real quick. It was just they were very
cool ladies. They were very cool. And then I started
when I went to When I went to the conference,
(05:23):
I didn't make a lot of connections. I met a
few people. Some were a little stand offers to me.
I don't because I was the only I think I
was like one of a few men there and I
went I was one of a few people of color
by they meet. Somebody was there who was Asian and
she was very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I can't remember her name. She was very nice.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Came her name, But I felt it was a little
I loved the sessions that people, the teachers were speaking.
I loved everything I learned, but people weren't as friendly
to me for some reason. And I'm a friendly person.
I like to talk to everybody, have a good time,
and I'm like they're a big black man. I was
cried it was going on, and I still was like,
I still think it's valuable when still I'm still supported.
(06:03):
I'm an I'm an organizer who's trying to get my
name out there, and I think being associated with something
that's really big is a good idea. And so, but
then i started doing some stuff with NAPE and I've
spoken at different chapter meetings like PETS like Pittsburgh and
Nate and Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Since then, I've done San Diego.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I've spoken at different places, and I'm an interviewer. I
was like, I'm a media. I'm a media. I'm still
I have a show. I want to promote people. So
I thought, I I've been doing that, right, So anyway,
so I'm like, i've been I've been a member for
at least five years, right, And they haven't think on
a founders Award at NAPO. And someone has to nominate you,
(06:49):
and someone has to nominate Unison and has to second
that nomination. And I was nominated, and I thought, why
this is amazing. I felt like, wow, this is this
is great news. I've never nominated for any for anything,
and and apparently I'm looking at the requirements kind of
like I met the to my nodge, I met the requirements.
(07:12):
Look at him closely. But there's like real way you
do in the community and all this stuff. It's I
says for somebody, I'm doing outstanding service.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
For the community.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Basically, then I never got I'll never forget I got this.
It's like a phone call that was accusatory. I'm gonna say,
who just was a cuetory because there was a there
was a glitch in my nomination. And the glitch was
(07:39):
I was a I guess provisional member, not a professional
or so.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's like something where.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's the same pricing at the time, there was something
something really it was like something like I was I
was one kind of member, but not another kind of member.
And apparently when I filled out, they asked me to
fill out some stuff that I didn't specify that and
I didn't realize how to sponsor. I didn't it wasn't
clear to me on the forums or whatever or may
(08:08):
I just or however it was, and it was almost
thrown on me as if I ruined it, and I
had to rein had to recind the the nomination because
just because of that and.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I start getting pissed.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I excuse you. I was mine, my own business. I
was like, my own but my own thing. I didn't
ask me nominated, and I didn't know there was a
real big difference. I didn't I didn't know, so I
didn't read buy laws. I was busy working, I didn't
do all that stuff. So either way, it was like,
it's not my fault. I don't I'm not taking this
spine and I refused take responsibility for it. I was
highly I was highly offended. Talked about it in a
(08:45):
blog post, talked about I mean, I was like, you
guys can kiss my grits. I sent in my I
took my membership off of Naples said threw that. I
said a stronger word than that, because I was made
to feel by several people that are going to say
to email a phone call that it was all my
fault that I should have said something with it, and
(09:06):
I'm like, like I was hiding something, and I'm like,
you should have vetted me stronger if that. If that
was the case, you know the rule I kept saying,
you know the rules of what who needs to be nominated?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Not me, I know, not anybody or anything. I don't
know anything.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know what needs to be done. You should have
veted me harder before you did it. That was one,
But number two it was like, I mean, I feel
like my membership wasn't as important. Oh I'm giving you
money every year. I think my money is just as
valuable as somebody else's. I was highly offended, highly offended,
(09:44):
and it wasn't And I wasn't even about me taking
it personally, because I know it wasn't it was a
personal personal attack, but it was. I was being attacked
for something that has rules. Now, there are folks in
that organization who on the side came to me in
to rely by to say their names either in my
good either to protect the innocent, who was like James's bullshit.
(10:05):
You actually you match all the criteria for this award
except for that thing. I mean, they should make an exception.
It was actually was on their fault. And the whole
thing was the person who nominated me. It was it
was a it was a nice gesture like it wasn't
even they were it was. It all came from a
good place, so I think. So, I mean, even if
they didn't catch that part or where they did, ask
(10:27):
I mean, whatever happened is skipped in the crass. It
was still wasn't anything that was like malicious or horrible.
So that person was doing it for a good reason.
The second person was second because they breed and I
accepted it because I bought it was fine. So I
was oh, I was Oh, it's hot as fish grease.
I was hot, hot hot, screwed mapel, kiss my grits.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't need you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm I'm I'm strong, I'm a big star. So whatever,
That's how I felt the time. So after there's a
lot there was a lot of hu haa about that.
And I just want to say, a person who won,
they deserve to win. Also, I want to make sure
I don't if I made that clear back then, that's
one thing I don't find made clear. I saw who
won and they and they should have won. I was
not jealous or anything like. I mean for them for
(11:14):
the criteria they say, this person really did do all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
They the person who won that year completely deserves it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Also, there's a lot of great folks doing great stuff
in the organizing world, so it wasn't like I was
the only person on earth doing it. So I mean
I'm make sure to make that clear now all these years.
Don't if I made that clear back then, I find
that person. So anyway, so, and I've had friends with
it since. So it was a little bit after that
whole thing kind of was happening or whatever it was,
(11:41):
and I had left my membership and all stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
There is a.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Person who changed who who started the change of me
coming back to NAPO on some level, and I will
say her name because she was one of one. It
was President Ellen fa And Ellen called me, left me
(12:05):
a message and asked me to call her back. And
I won't forget that. I was like, I'm like, oh,
the President Naples calling me. So we talked on the phone.
And I will say that she was professional, which I love.
I like professional. She was also sympathetic. She was not accusatory,
(12:26):
and she stuck up for NAPLE on some level. And
in terms of like saying, it's a great organization, this
is a this is a she agreed it was a
it was a blunder, but she was she was trying
to get me to not write off NAPO fully. She'd
do her job as president. She was doing her job,
and at your term, she was she would do her job.
(12:47):
She would do her job, but she also made me
feel like I was heard seen and that it wasn't
my fault. It just it's a blunder. It all came
something good. So she and then she said during our conversation,
I'll never forget either. Why aren't we using you as
a resource, a full resource. I've had the name of
(13:10):
people on my show, but why are we working together?
And I was like, you tell me, I said, I
I've had I tried, because I did try to reach
out to snap O years before.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That, and.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
On my I don't know what's going on there, and
but on my aunt it was sely like no things
were good. And I'm like, I just want to showcase
people in the on the you know, on the from
the business part of this.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I, for a personally, I thought, because I was
a man, it's a if you're not in organizing business,
it's mostly women. There are men in the business now,
but it's mostly it's mostly it was created by women,
and there's there women and I and I from being
a nurse thirty years ago, forty years ago, I also
know how that would like to walk into a profession
where it's mostly women, and I had no problem with that.
(13:57):
I love I love women, I love strong women. I
think there's so many in this business are wonderful. But
organizing isn't a gender based service, so you can be
any gender to do and do be an organizer. I
was always respectful everybody, and I just you know, for me,
it was just like, is it because of that? I mean,
(14:17):
I didn't even go I didn't go to the race stuff.
I didn't do race stuff on this one. I mean,
to be very honest, I didn't. It was very much
my gender part. I thought maybe that's something to do
with that or whatever. But Ellen was like, so like,
just don't came up on it. Us well, a lot
of us work together, and slowly we started. I interviewed
her and then I mean, there's not too much any mean,
just and it helped a little bit. And I will say,
(14:39):
other presidents, I want to give shout outs to you,
because I mean, interviewed like nine at this point. But
I mean, but in the beginning of this whole, the
early years that gave me back kind of into this.
Ellen Fay, Ellen Delap, Susie Hayman. They were all three
those three in a row, and wonder if have been
and were wonderful to me. I will mention their names
(15:02):
in terms of working with me and then and of
course Amy Tolkos and Mindy Gotting, and you know, it's
been a wonderful thing since then. And that's why I'm
saying all that went down. And in the end, you know,
I was I don't even know if I were talking
really fully either, how hurt I was.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm trying to make my way in this business. I
loved it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, if nobody's ever watched this show, or everybody
who has half watched the show's so how much I
love this business, which I love this industry, how much
I'm I get to writ it for twenty four So
I love this business and I want to promote it
to the n degree. And anybody said in my in
my presentations or anything, they know that I love this business.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And I feel provate.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I went on Jimmy Kimmel Live while making in Tellision
history and talk about being an organizer.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean, I love this business. I was hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I was hurt as fuck, use my language, but I
was hurt. I felt very undervalued at that moment and
and I'll do this for awards obviously, I'm just I'm
going this guy's like whatever it was, it was the
feeling that was being put on me that hurt my feelings.
(16:21):
We are humans, we are, we are, we are, we
all have feelings in this business, we all, we all
are just trying to make things happier and better for people.
And when your own peers, I feel like they're turning
on you. As I felt like I was hurt and
so but luckily I had an open heart and lenfa
(16:43):
started it. I was like, no, we have to, like
I try to try to close this off. And yes,
I mean, Llen Fa Ellen the Lapse called me on
things sometimes and it's it's just been, it's been. It's
just been a wonderful experience since then in terms of
my interviews and talks, and I mean it was, oh
(17:05):
my god, I've give men God a child because she
was like, James, you can come to the Summits. And
Long Beach was a couple of years ago. I got
I got COVID right before that. I'm so upset she's
gonna be run the place. And that just tells me
that they trust my judgment. They know I'm here to
spotlight our wonderful association and the business, and it just
(17:30):
it hurt my heart. I couldn't go. It was and
I was. I can't tell you what's that, But I
do what helped because they all came around, and what
helped me turn around is that NAPLE is a great organization.
I have sent people to it for education. It's much
more diverse now also it is, and they've done gone
(17:51):
great stride to that. I still feel like they need
to be a little more the media sector. But until
they do, I will. I will do all the media
stuff I'll get, I'll get our profession out there. I
will continue to do all that if I have to.
I just think that we have so many talented, varied
(18:15):
people doing very things in our industry that are there
to help all of you out there. I think everyone
can use an organizer on some level somewhere from digital
to actual residential business, garage, life. So just it's just
it's you, I believe so strongly, and NAPLE has so
(18:37):
many strong, talented people coming out of there. I have
rejoined yet back yet I might again at some point,
but I do work with them, and I've been on
that podcast once. I was on the podcast once, and
so you wanna check out on naplenap dot net is
where you can go for all this stuff. But if
(18:58):
you are anyway, text, if you if you guys are looking,
you know, for great education, meaning great people who whenever
I leave talking to them, I feel smarter. NAPO dot
(19:19):
net go there. If you want to be an organizer
and you're thinking about doing this, you know it's it's
for me. It's not a hobby. It's a business. But
it's a business that's do with people. That's what it
all comes down to. And that's why I'm telling this
story that it did turn around for me on some level,
and I'm allowed to have my feelings and all that
stuff that happened back then, but you have to kind
(19:40):
of push forward. And I'll probably never win in a
war because I'm I'm not a member of NAPLE and
what And that's fine at this point. I've accepted that
part at this point, but I have no problem supporting
the organization and having people. I mean, I have more
people coming my shows. I have people lined up from
(20:02):
my shows from NAPLE anyway coming my shows. It's just
it's a wonderful thing. So that's the deal. That's the whole,
that's the that's the gen that's the general version of
the story.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And you know it's it's it's it's funny.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, it's things happen, Mistakes happen, just like in
our organizing practice. You may make a mistake, you may
break something to somebody's or lose it or drop it,
and it happens, and you have to find a way
to talk it through and then it kind of just
move on to next the next step. And and but
it's still a part, it's still a part of your past.
(20:39):
It's a part of it's a whole, part of this
is all part of my seventeen years in the business.
And but it's but it's defined either party doesn't have
to define either party. So that's your story. I'm stinking
to you. That's my story. I'm thinking to it. So
that's my story. I'm sinking to it. But naplet is
the place. Go there if you're thinking about being being
(21:00):
an organizer or an organizer already.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And just go there and say, James Lott Junior, this
organizer sent you.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I have a blog a lot of heelp dot com
is the website, Slash Jay Jet, Slash this organizer. My
show is on x Facebook, uh, Jameson Junior and gailgre
Media is everywhere on everything and we are we It's
me Me.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
We have shows every Monday. I'll be back and talk
to you next time. By
It is Monday, June ninth, twenty twenty five. It is
The Super Organized Show with James Lott Junior. I'm James
on Jesup. Organizer started thanks and gratitude. I know you
saw you saw the title, so we'll give to that,
(00:26):
but I won't give thanks to gratitude to anything in
my life that may have started out negative and turned positive.
And that's just something that we're gonna this episode I'm
gonna talk about. It was very much life is never
set in stone. Their situations can change, and I'm appreciative
(00:46):
of people who are willing to make that change with me.
There are friendships that ended and came back. There are
people who didn't like me at first and became friends.
I mean, there's all kind of situations. Jobs that are
like and we got better like there are there are
some happy endings. I mean, there's always things that go
the other direction, but I want to accentuate that, and
(01:09):
that leads into this story.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm saying, I'm somebody.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
As you know, my ten years doing the show, there
were fourigner shows of the show, and I have talked
about the past, and I forget those past episodes are
still out there, so several folks that said, James, you
have intimated that you haven't had a very interesting relationship
(01:33):
with NAPO, and we want to blah why. I won't
know why. I'm very very transparent person. You always tell
the truth. Shame the devil, blah blah. And we're just
and we're newer, we're newer listeners and newer watches.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And a couple of them actually went back that heard
the actual story for a long time.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So a long time ago when.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I was angry, and I said, so, I guess I
should do because I attended the university because one of
the things that happened during my ten years, let's talk
about it. And literally, I'm telling you there is a
happy ending to this, a happier end, happish ending to this.
I'm using this as as a learning experience, not just
be silacious and shit on a North association. That's not
(02:16):
what I'm doing. So anybody from NAPO is watching, you know,
I love you guys, and I support obviously, I support
you guys. I promote you guys, but I'm not a
member still yet, I'm not rejoined, but I do I
do celebrate what you guys have done, and diversity that
you've been working on when your president is a black woman,
(02:37):
Karen Baker, there's a lot going on now and that
that wasn't going on when I first when I first
joined years ago. So I with everybody knows it's not
just a salacious kind of whatever. But now we'll go
into every detail, but I will give you kind of
what my naship was like. So I've been in this
(02:58):
business almost seventeen years. I'm a long timer. Now, I've
been in this for a long time. I'm very and
I'm very successful. And here's what's so funny. Just now,
as I'm talking to you, former President Mindy Godding is
accepted my invite on LinkedIn. Hi Mindy, one of the
ones I like. I love Mindy to shout to her,
just ironic as recording this, I'm like Mindy Godding, I
(03:22):
love her. I love Mindy. She's wonderful. Also, Okay, okay, okay,
So I just I love it.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I love life how this works.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So years ago I became an organizer, didn't know who
Napel was, what it was going on in and I
never heard of before. And a couple of years in
I started to hear about this thing because I was
going to line and I was meeting people, and they
were like, this is an organization.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Actually, there was two organizations I was used to and
I was ICD and NAPLE.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
There were like these two organizations and a couple others
were out there that were smaller, but NAPLE was like
a larger one, and.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I decided to.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
And I was speaking ten years ago was my first
APLE conference. I was in the one in Los Angeles.
I lived here in Los Angeles. I went to the
morn in La so kind of iron. So I joined
NAPLE first and I paid paid my money. I do
every month, I mean every year my money, and I
(04:23):
was like, okay, I kind of liked they had some classes, seminars,
you to meet people. I was kind of still I
didn't get fully it at first. I was kind of
kind of looking around, what's going on, and that's not
meeting people and people.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Are friendly, and I was like, oh, this is great.
I kind of like me.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I like to being a part of association. I came
from working for an association, so I kind of liked
that whole. And I tried a few others and I
just didn't like them. I will say ICD was very
I didn't have to join them either, but they were
very welcoming to me. They were just like, oh my goodness,
how are you nice to meet? You need sent me
some books? I mean whole they were so nice to me.
(05:02):
I had never heard you guys before about Hollywood. You
know what's going on? And I was like, okay, there's
some water real quick. It was just they were very
cool ladies. They were very cool. And then I started
when I went to When I went to the conference,
(05:23):
I didn't make a lot of connections. I met a
few people. Some were a little stand offers to me.
I don't because I was the only I think I
was like one of a few men there and I
went I was one of a few people of color
by they meet. Somebody was there who was Asian and
she was very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I can't remember her name. She was very nice.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Came her name, But I felt it was a little
I loved the sessions that people, the teachers were speaking.
I loved everything I learned, but people weren't as friendly
to me for some reason. And I'm a friendly person.
I like to talk to everybody, have a good time,
and I'm like they're a big black man. I was
cried it was going on, and I still was like,
I still think it's valuable when still I'm still supported.
(06:03):
I'm an I'm an organizer who's trying to get my
name out there, and I think being associated with something
that's really big is a good idea. And so, but
then i started doing some stuff with NAPE and I've
spoken at different chapter meetings like PETS like Pittsburgh and
Nate and Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Since then, I've done San Diego.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I've spoken at different places, and I'm an interviewer. I
was like, I'm a media. I'm a media. I'm still
I have a show. I want to promote people. So
I thought, I I've been doing that, right, So anyway,
so I'm like, i've been I've been a member for
at least five years, right, And they haven't think on
a founders Award at NAPO. And someone has to nominate you,
(06:49):
and someone has to nominate Unison and has to second
that nomination. And I was nominated, and I thought, why
this is amazing. I felt like, wow, this is this
is great news. I've never nominated for any for anything,
and and apparently I'm looking at the requirements kind of
like I met the to my nodge, I met the requirements.
(07:12):
Look at him closely. But there's like real way you
do in the community and all this stuff. It's I
says for somebody, I'm doing outstanding service.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
For the community.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Basically, then I never got I'll never forget I got this.
It's like a phone call that was accusatory. I'm gonna say,
who just was a cuetory because there was a there
was a glitch in my nomination. And the glitch was
(07:39):
I was a I guess provisional member, not a professional
or so.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
It's like something where.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's the same pricing at the time, there was something
something really it was like something like I was I
was one kind of member, but not another kind of member.
And apparently when I filled out, they asked me to
fill out some stuff that I didn't specify that and
I didn't realize how to sponsor. I didn't it wasn't
clear to me on the forums or whatever or may
(08:08):
I just or however it was, and it was almost
thrown on me as if I ruined it, and I
had to rein had to recind the the nomination because
just because of that and.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I start getting pissed.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I excuse you. I was mine, my own business. I
was like, my own but my own thing. I didn't
ask me nominated, and I didn't know there was a
real big difference. I didn't I didn't know, so I
didn't read buy laws. I was busy working, I didn't
do all that stuff. So either way, it was like,
it's not my fault. I don't I'm not taking this
spine and I refused take responsibility for it. I was
highly I was highly offended. Talked about it in a
(08:45):
blog post, talked about I mean, I was like, you
guys can kiss my grits. I sent in my I
took my membership off of Naples said threw that. I
said a stronger word than that, because I was made
to feel by several people that are going to say
to email a phone call that it was all my
fault that I should have said something with it, and
(09:06):
I'm like, like I was hiding something, and I'm like,
you should have vetted me stronger if that. If that
was the case, you know the rule I kept saying,
you know the rules of what who needs to be nominated?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Not me, I know, not anybody or anything. I don't
know anything.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know what needs to be done. You should have
veted me harder before you did it. That was one,
But number two it was like, I mean, I feel
like my membership wasn't as important. Oh I'm giving you
money every year. I think my money is just as
valuable as somebody else's. I was highly offended, highly offended,
(09:44):
and it wasn't And I wasn't even about me taking
it personally, because I know it wasn't it was a
personal personal attack, but it was. I was being attacked
for something that has rules. Now, there are folks in
that organization who on the side came to me in
to rely by to say their names either in my
good either to protect the innocent, who was like James's bullshit.
(10:05):
You actually you match all the criteria for this award
except for that thing. I mean, they should make an exception.
It was actually was on their fault. And the whole
thing was the person who nominated me. It was it
was a it was a nice gesture like it wasn't
even they were it was. It all came from a
good place, so I think. So, I mean, even if
they didn't catch that part or where they did, ask
(10:27):
I mean, whatever happened is skipped in the crass. It
was still wasn't anything that was like malicious or horrible.
So that person was doing it for a good reason.
The second person was second because they breed and I
accepted it because I bought it was fine. So I
was oh, I was Oh, it's hot as fish grease.
I was hot, hot hot, screwed mapel, kiss my grits.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't need you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm I'm I'm strong, I'm a big star. So whatever,
That's how I felt the time. So after there's a
lot there was a lot of hu haa about that.
And I just want to say, a person who won,
they deserve to win. Also, I want to make sure
I don't if I made that clear back then, that's
one thing I don't find made clear. I saw who
won and they and they should have won. I was
not jealous or anything like. I mean for them for
(11:14):
the criteria they say, this person really did do all
that stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
They the person who won that year completely deserves it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Also, there's a lot of great folks doing great stuff
in the organizing world, so it wasn't like I was
the only person on earth doing it. So I mean
I'm make sure to make that clear now all these years.
Don't if I made that clear back then, I find
that person. So anyway, so, and I've had friends with
it since. So it was a little bit after that
whole thing kind of was happening or whatever it was,
(11:41):
and I had left my membership and all stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
There is a.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Person who changed who who started the change of me
coming back to NAPO on some level, and I will
say her name because she was one of one. It
was President Ellen fa And Ellen called me, left me
(12:05):
a message and asked me to call her back. And
I won't forget that. I was like, I'm like, oh,
the President Naples calling me. So we talked on the phone.
And I will say that she was professional, which I love.
I like professional. She was also sympathetic. She was not accusatory,
(12:26):
and she stuck up for NAPLE on some level. And
in terms of like saying, it's a great organization, this
is a this is a she agreed it was a
it was a blunder, but she was she was trying
to get me to not write off NAPO fully. She'd
do her job as president. She was doing her job,
and at your term, she was she would do her job.
(12:47):
She would do her job, but she also made me
feel like I was heard seen and that it wasn't
my fault. It just it's a blunder. It all came
something good. So she and then she said during our conversation,
I'll never forget either. Why aren't we using you as
a resource, a full resource. I've had the name of
(13:10):
people on my show, but why are we working together?
And I was like, you tell me, I said, I
I've had I tried, because I did try to reach
out to snap O years before.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
That, and.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
On my I don't know what's going on there, and
but on my aunt it was sely like no things
were good. And I'm like, I just want to showcase
people in the on the you know, on the from
the business part of this.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And I, for a personally, I thought, because I was
a man, it's a if you're not in organizing business,
it's mostly women. There are men in the business now,
but it's mostly it's mostly it was created by women,
and there's there women and I and I from being
a nurse thirty years ago, forty years ago, I also
know how that would like to walk into a profession
where it's mostly women, and I had no problem with that.
(13:57):
I love I love women, I love strong women. I
think there's so many in this business are wonderful. But
organizing isn't a gender based service, so you can be
any gender to do and do be an organizer. I
was always respectful everybody, and I just you know, for me,
it was just like, is it because of that? I mean,
(14:17):
I didn't even go I didn't go to the race stuff.
I didn't do race stuff on this one. I mean,
to be very honest, I didn't. It was very much
my gender part. I thought maybe that's something to do
with that or whatever. But Ellen was like, so like,
just don't came up on it. Us well, a lot
of us work together, and slowly we started. I interviewed
her and then I mean, there's not too much any mean,
just and it helped a little bit. And I will say,
(14:39):
other presidents, I want to give shout outs to you,
because I mean, interviewed like nine at this point. But
I mean, but in the beginning of this whole, the
early years that gave me back kind of into this.
Ellen Fay, Ellen Delap, Susie Hayman. They were all three
those three in a row, and wonder if have been
and were wonderful to me. I will mention their names
(15:02):
in terms of working with me and then and of
course Amy Tolkos and Mindy Gotting, and you know, it's
been a wonderful thing since then. And that's why I'm
saying all that went down. And in the end, you know,
I was I don't even know if I were talking
really fully either, how hurt I was.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm trying to make my way in this business. I
loved it.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, if nobody's ever watched this show, or everybody
who has half watched the show's so how much I
love this business, which I love this industry, how much
I'm I get to writ it for twenty four So
I love this business and I want to promote it
to the n degree. And anybody said in my in
my presentations or anything, they know that I love this business.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And I feel provate.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I went on Jimmy Kimmel Live while making in Tellision
history and talk about being an organizer.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean, I love this business. I was hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I was hurt as fuck, use my language, but I
was hurt. I felt very undervalued at that moment and
and I'll do this for awards obviously, I'm just I'm
going this guy's like whatever it was, it was the
feeling that was being put on me that hurt my feelings.
(16:21):
We are humans, we are, we are, we are, we
all have feelings in this business, we all, we all
are just trying to make things happier and better for people.
And when your own peers, I feel like they're turning
on you. As I felt like I was hurt and
so but luckily I had an open heart and lenfa
(16:43):
started it. I was like, no, we have to, like
I try to try to close this off. And yes,
I mean, Llen Fa Ellen the Lapse called me on
things sometimes and it's it's just been, it's been. It's
just been a wonderful experience since then in terms of
my interviews and talks, and I mean it was, oh
(17:05):
my god, I've give men God a child because she
was like, James, you can come to the Summits. And
Long Beach was a couple of years ago. I got
I got COVID right before that. I'm so upset she's
gonna be run the place. And that just tells me
that they trust my judgment. They know I'm here to
spotlight our wonderful association and the business, and it just
(17:30):
it hurt my heart. I couldn't go. It was and
I was. I can't tell you what's that, But I
do what helped because they all came around, and what
helped me turn around is that NAPLE is a great organization.
I have sent people to it for education. It's much
more diverse now also it is, and they've done gone
(17:51):
great stride to that. I still feel like they need
to be a little more the media sector. But until
they do, I will. I will do all the media
stuff I'll get, I'll get our profession out there. I
will continue to do all that if I have to.
I just think that we have so many talented, varied
(18:15):
people doing very things in our industry that are there
to help all of you out there. I think everyone
can use an organizer on some level somewhere from digital
to actual residential business, garage, life. So just it's just
it's you, I believe so strongly, and NAPLE has so
(18:37):
many strong, talented people coming out of there. I have
rejoined yet back yet I might again at some point,
but I do work with them, and I've been on
that podcast once. I was on the podcast once, and
so you wanna check out on naplenap dot net is
where you can go for all this stuff. But if
(18:58):
you are anyway, text, if you if you guys are looking,
you know, for great education, meaning great people who whenever
I leave talking to them, I feel smarter. NAPO dot
(19:19):
net go there. If you want to be an organizer
and you're thinking about doing this, you know it's it's
for me. It's not a hobby. It's a business. But
it's a business that's do with people. That's what it
all comes down to. And that's why I'm telling this
story that it did turn around for me on some level,
and I'm allowed to have my feelings and all that
stuff that happened back then, but you have to kind
(19:40):
of push forward. And I'll probably never win in a
war because I'm I'm not a member of NAPLE and
what And that's fine at this point. I've accepted that
part at this point, but I have no problem supporting
the organization and having people. I mean, I have more
people coming my shows. I have people lined up from
(20:02):
my shows from NAPLE anyway coming my shows. It's just
it's a wonderful thing. So that's the deal. That's the whole,
that's the that's the gen that's the general version of
the story.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And you know it's it's it's it's funny.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean, it's things happen, Mistakes happen, just like in
our organizing practice. You may make a mistake, you may
break something to somebody's or lose it or drop it,
and it happens, and you have to find a way
to talk it through and then it kind of just
move on to next the next step. And and but
it's still a part, it's still a part of your past.
(20:39):
It's a part of it's a whole, part of this
is all part of my seventeen years in the business.
And but it's but it's defined either party doesn't have
to define either party. So that's your story. I'm stinking
to you. That's my story. I'm thinking to it. So
that's my story. I'm sinking to it. But naplet is
the place. Go there if you're thinking about being being
(21:00):
an organizer or an organizer already.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
And just go there and say, James Lott Junior, this
organizer sent you.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I have a blog a lot of heelp dot com
is the website, Slash Jay Jet, Slash this organizer. My
show is on x Facebook, uh, Jameson Junior and gailgre
Media is everywhere on everything and we are we It's
me Me.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
We have shows every Monday. I'll be back and talk
to you next time. By
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