May 5, 2025 • 47 mins
The Super Organizer JLJ had a great convo with Sheila about the history of Virtual organizing and her large part in its creation. They also talk about the future of Professional Organizing. Follow her at the virtualprofessionalorganizer.com
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is Monday, May fifth, twenty twenty five, the day
after I've made the fourth be with you, and five
days before my birthday.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I know. It's all.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's crazy, folks. I know this year by fast. Hi,
Welcome to the s RAS Show with James Junior. I'm
James Junior, super Organizer. I am in my year ten.
I'm doing the show. These are my year ten episodes.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I know.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm just a long time started on radio and moved
over to the podcasting world, and I'm very glvi I've
done it. I've had so many guests on here, it's crazy.
I'm nearing five hundred episodes, I know, and I did
them all. I was there for all of them, pray talk.
So because of that, I like to meet so many
people and bring so many guests. And this person I've
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known online through our NAPO community, ICD community, and now
I'm finally getting around to having her on the show.
But she's somebody who's she's smart. She's a mast neuroplastician
and I find out what that is, not what that is.
She's a certified personal organizer in so many different areas
to a speaker, consultant, teacher, developer training, the vel she
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does all this stuff. She's like, maybe do stuff like this,
And she actually has the website, the virtual organizer dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm gonna ask you about that. To you, I was like,
how'd you get that? Help me? Welcome Sheila Delson.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
She like, James, Hi, thank you so much for having me.
I am delighted to be here. And my goodness, Tip,
this is your ten years doing this. I know it's
been a long time because I also have been watching
and following you two. I mean, how can we you know,
we just always passed, But I'm so glad today we're
just sort of fine. We connecting. This is great.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We have a lot of friendly common in the business.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And yes, and I just I would never ten I
mean twenty fifteen, that's when I started this whole. Someone
came to me. I told the story on the show
for it. Someone came to me for those who are
new to this, and said, you have a blog, and yeah,
I start this blog and go can you make that
into a radio show?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like, oh my god, yes, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I had no idea what was doing, but I did it.
And ten years later and almost five.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Episodes I'm still here and and and so as as
we get into this, I always do my things and gratitude.
I do want to give things and gratitude obviously the
Sheeta from coming on the show, but also to anyone
who listened to the show or watched the show, because
literally I would not literally would not be here if
no one listened or watched this show. And the support
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I've gotten so many professional organizers in this business on
I appreciate that very very very very very very very
very much. I'm kind of a unicorn in the business.
I think I'm the only black male in the business.
I know, I don't. I have not many been any others.
And yeah, I have not been any others I preached out.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah I think you mentioned me neither.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah. Is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I'm like, and I've kind of this big tall
when I go to conference zone, kind I kind of
stand down. I'm loud, you know, I stand out. But
I appreciate everyone who accepts me and takes me in.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I learned so.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Much, oh my goodness, from the people in this business.
I love you, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I love this business very very very very very very
very very much. And I'll continue to push it forward
and pay it for it. And I also want to
think my opportunities that I've had to promote this business
on Jimmy kim Alive and other places like that. Normally
we don't have representation. I've been fortunately being formerst Magazine
a couple of times. So I'm doing my best, doing
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my best.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, but it's working. You're rocking and rolling and it's working.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, thank you. I'm gratude for all that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
As my birthday approaches, I just really I'm just thinking
more of my past and doing this.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I've been in.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Sixteen years in this business, and I just I think
we're called now long timers, not saying old timer anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I think we're saying long timer, right.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Long timer is far more fishing.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
An old time. I would say old timer. I'll say
that anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But then you know, a rose by any other name.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh well, totally. So thank you anybody for all your support.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's all. That's all.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I really like what I've never gratuated every day for that, Michille.
So I want you to actually explain to me what
a master neuroplastician is. I've never heard before, and I'm
very curious.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, You're right, it's a very good question. So I'm
going to be answering the question, which is a way
up front answer to a whole lot of background. So
I'll just dive right in. So a master neuroplastician is
has to do with applied neuroplasticity in the work that
we do, specifically with our clients. So what would make up,
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for example, what a master europe Plastician would be with
a lot of times it would be therapist's life consultants, right,
a life coach, physical therapist, speech there, therapists, teachers the
ideas that the work that we do, through the work
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that we do physically, work that we do creates neuroscience
benefit in the brain. So it's a lot about neuroplasticity.
But those who are qualified to and actually do the
performance or the action of neuroplasticity through our work, it's
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about the applied neuroplastician and neuroplasticity. Those are the people
who take a certification and become noted as I'm a
master neuroplastician. So and it's kind of interesting how did
I get that? And that's the other side of my story,
which I think you'll find pretty interesting. I'll try to
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keep it as you know, as narrow and focused so organized.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well we try anyway, but I do have a little ADHD,
so sometimes I can go down a rabbit hole. So
just just reel me back in.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I know to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I've I've been I've been this for ten years and
I do this. I get working out. I'm on your side.
We're working o working out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, we're rocking and rolling together. That's the way it
should be. So so you know, I've been in this
business thirty one years. Yeah, this gray hair isn't there
for no reason.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
To.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean because the business, our industry is only like
but forty years old kind of yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, yeah, so I'm one of the Oldheimer's. But but
my my focused initially when I first started, you know,
NAPLE was brand new at the time, relatively brand new, right,
and there weren't all that many members. But we were
a pretty active group and we were deep termined group.
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And as you know, over the years, NAPO has grown
not just in membership but in knowledge. Yes, And there
was no training to be a professional organizer back then,
literally winging it and but we worked together. I mean
that was wonderful thing about NAPO is we all came
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together met annually and that's how we all learned. So
it is an educational piece. Thank goodness for NEAPO. So
during my time in NAPO, I started the population of
clients that I work with, is this is traction to
people with neurodiversity. And what would that mean? Individuals that
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have ADHD OCD even some physical manifestations that do affect
how their brains are wired, how they think, how they operate,
how they organize, because you know, organizing really starts in
the brain, right in the mind, well not necessarily the brain,
but the mind. How you think about things right and
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your experiences, life experiences. That's why everybody. We're just so
different everyone, which is wonderful. But then came Judith Colberg.
I'm sure you've heard about me to who does not
love Oh my gosh. So she started to understand that.
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You know, we had this little group of people with Judith,
because we found there was a population in our clients
that had they will just say they organized differently, and
they're thinking about organization. It was different. So what is
this thing? And out of Judith had created this other
little subgroup of NAPO. At the time, it was called
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the n s g c D, the National Study Group
on Chronic Disorganization. We weren't formalized. We were just a
little subgroup. But because this is what we do when
we all come together, we learned from each other. We
start sharing experiences and wow, this person thinks so differently.
Over the years we learned, of course, this is really
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what we meant, what the current term is in neurodiversity,
different ways of thinking, how our brains are wired. So
from there we decided that we're going to become more formal,
and ICD eventually evolved. Right, we're challenging disorganization. So for
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this neurodiverse thing, one of the terms that's used, and
it is not a formal term, it's an umbrella term,
and we call it chronically disorganized individuals who live their
lives chronically disorganized and they're unhappy and they're frustrated. And
it could have been from the time they were young
children all the way up and or even some individ
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jewels that discover later in life that oh, my goodness,
all of my issues have been because I've got ADHD
and no big surprise. Right, So they're developed out of
their a body of NAPLE members that became very involved
with this neurodiverse population, and so ICD just expanded on that.
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So the ICD is a sub of NAPO. And as
you know, so I'm just for your listeners and kiss
you and they don't know so. Anyway, during that time,
back in twenty thirteen, I had been working with a
client for a number of years, and you know, she
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when we show up at a client's house, we're not
there for an hour. We have a minimum amount of
time takes sometimes an hour to get there, right right,
we have, so we show up and we have have
maybe a minimum of three or four hours and sometimes
more depending on how.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Far we go.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So we work with that client for that four or
five hour window and then we leave. So click, you're connected.
And then there's the click when we leave, they have
to they have a big bill to pay at the
end of that day. So you leave one of your
next appointment. It's never the next day to finish up.
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And we never finish a project in three or four hours.
Sometimes they go on for months, right years. But the
point is that we don't get back to see them
again too soon. What I discovered and I wasn't the
only organizer. We'd meet at conferences and have these conversations,
and it's like, you know, I'm seeing this happen too,
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and it's upsetting because by the time you can get
back to that client, that hole that we had just
dug out sort of starts to fill back in again
and starting all over again. So I found this a
little unsettling for our profession. And this one afternoon, this
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one client had said to me, you know, Sheila, I
don't know if I can have you back here again
for maybe for another couple of months. She was elderly
and her kids were thinking, you know, you're really spending
all this time and expense working with this organizer. You know,
maybe we need cutback. So she said to me, I'm
going to have to cut back, and I knew what
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would happen in our pattern of work. I said, sorry,
you know, let's try something. Want to do an experiment.
How about we work I come once a month on site,
but in between, every single week in between, we meet
on the telephone. Now this was back before zoom, right,
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So we'll work together on the telephone, no more than
an hour, no more than just an hour. So she
reluctantly agreed. But oh my goodness, it was an amazing result.
It's like, what's going on here? I'm not there. I
do know the space, so I can walk her through
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certain things because I've been there. So, but she was
actually getting the work done. There was no resistance. She
was listening to me only in the telephone and physically
doing the work herself. She had a speakerphone, one of
those ear things over.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So and she was actually getting doing the work herself.
And I had a timer and when one hour was up, okay,
that's enough for today. We'll meet again. It's meet day
after tomorrow. So two days later we meet again. So
this went on for a number of weeks, and my
brain just went, how this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But what is it?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Back then?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Back then?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What is going on here? So finally, and I didn't
I started the experiment with a couple of other of
my clients, and again very reluctant. I don't understand how
this is going to work and everything else, but it
was working. So I conference this one. It's twenty fourteen,
and I was talking to a bunch of my colleagues
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and they were like their eyes glassed over. I have
no idea what you're talking about. It sounds ridiculous. This
cannot possibly be. You're not you're not really organizing. And
then yet indeed, indeed I was right. So I went
back home after that conference, and you know, sometimes some
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people don't do well with challenges.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
No, I was child, that's right, girl, that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I want to know what is going on here. So
I started, I said, ask me if I would do
a telecopt class on it, sign me up, did a teleclass,
and it forced me to do my own research. It
forced me to ask a more questions, and in the
development of that teleclass, I began, this is virtual organizing
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in a strange kind of a way. Then, don't forget
we still only had telephones back then, so how was
I seeing all the progress? The clients then would have
to send me photographs before sessions, photos after I started
keeping records, and then I started showing at the end
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of a month or so sending them photographs. I would
compile all the photographs wow, so they could see themselves
where they came from. The clients never canceled. All my
payments were exactly on time, I charged the same hourly
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rate as I would have had I been on set,
but the progress, the elevation of self confidence, the skill
transfer was triple fold, and I couldn't have been happier
because it's you know, job fulfillment, right. We need to
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note that what we're doing is valuable, right. It has
neilas to say, come around. And I did also a
couple of I think I did also a speak out
at one of the conferences twenty seventeen. I did twenty
seventeen in for NAPO. So all of a sudden, there
is this interest in the organizing field about this virtual organizing.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
And how to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I remember, yeah, And so I started a four week
you know, just a certificate of attendance for anybody that wants.
I ran this little short program and then I guess
twenty nineteen, and it was just before COVID. I decided,
you know, there's so much interest, I really want to
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make this a solid, really important training. So I turned
it into a certification program, expanded the sessions from four
to six, included practicums, a lot of handouts, a lot
of resources, and an exam at the end, and of
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course a certification for those who graduated. So that started
in two thousand, actually twenty twenty. I kicked it off,
and then COVID hit and all of a sudden, organizers
weren't going into people's homes and people didn't want the
organizer in their home. But life goes on. Especially everybody
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was home, right, they were stuck at home with their
stuff and feeling frustrated. So all of a sudden, my
program took off, like because organizers are like, tell me
how to do this, you know. It was it was
really it was a remarkable time, just being in the
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right time, in the right place. So yeah, so that's
kind of where it is. And it was only I
think it was last year, early last year that I discovered.
So I'm finally getting around to your first question. How
did a master neuroplastician?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I love this whole history. I just got a history
of my show. I love this.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You did ask for it, after all.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I love it. I'm sorry, this is more than I expect.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay, well stop me, stop me with your show. So
in I guess early last year, one of my colleagues,
my graduate colleagues from my program, called and said to me, Sheila,
I just saw this podcast. You have got to listen
to this podcast. So she sent me the link and
I went in and listened. And there's this gentleman who
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is a neuroscientist. His name is doctor Justin Kennedy, and
he is from I have to look at it. It's
called the Institute of Organizational Neuroscience. It's ion DOT. I
think dot maybe dot org. I forgot what the dot is.
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There's so many dots some things anyway, I get confused.
But anyway, it is the Institute of Organizational Neuroscience. And
he was speaking about this other sub organization that he
has started called the NPN Hub, and in this are
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made up of members who are what he called neuroplasticians.
Now I had already been well tuned in to the
benefits of virtual or benefits of neuros science in virtual organizing.
That's one of the big things I discovered. Virtual organizing
is wonderful. But what makes it so wonderful that magic
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sauce is the neuro plasticity involved in the application of
working virtually. So I'm listening to this guy and my
jaws dropping and I said, oh my gosh, he's talking
about what I've known about all this time and never
had a connection to other than my own little research.
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But you know, you need something. So I got in
touch with him and he said, come join the NPN hub.
So I joined the NPN Hub and through working with him,
we spoke on the phone several times. We did some
zoom calls and he said to me, you know, I
think that I'd like you to consider applying. And by
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the way, the shop for him was, oh my goodness.
This he had not heard about professional organizer and especially
virtual professional organizing, and it fascinated him. And when I
explained to him what I learned about how virtual organizing
affects in neuroplasticity and vice versa, he was delighted. So
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it was another little window for him as well. So
he asked me if I would apply for the Neuroplastician certification.
There's three levels, and I thought, what have I got
to lose? Sure, but it was jumping through hoops. I
had to write a paper, I had to do an
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interview and then and fill out an application of course,
and then all of the interview, the video interview, by
the way, had to go before his Bureau of Advisors,
which are also all neuroscientists in the field, and maybe
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a week later my LinkedIn page blew up. It was
he was putting. He put in the logo and I
actually was awarded the Master, which is the highest level.
So because of because of my experience, and that's what
really really did it for me. So another piece of news,
in the end of twenty twenty four very end ICD
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acquired my virtual my certified virtual organizing program. So the
program right now is running through ICD. Yeah, congratulations, that's
that's my whole round story for you.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I love it. Well, I got some of the things
I was I took notes.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I guess one of things I want to say, no,
thank you for sharing that history because I think now
I have documented on my show.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I love this stuff of the history. I saw your shout.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I want to give another things to grabtu you and
just on the side to ICD, the ladies are there
when I first came to this business. It's it's well,
it's well documented all. I don't want to bring a
rehash all problems. But and Maypele have a very interesting
relationship over the years. We're better now, but we had
an insulationship. But I want to say one of the
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first groups that embraced me was ic D. I didn't
do the program, but I reached out to be like,
I'm news an organized what does this mean and what's
going on? They're actually sending materials they talk to me.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I can't my show.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I have a very big soft spot for CD, and
I know I've seen their programs, their work.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's really good stuff. And I said, it's ahead of
their time every.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Time, world class, world class training. It's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Completely, So it's my gal shots ICD just because I
do have a very I mean this show very soft spot.
I love love the ladies over there very much and
and it's been wonderful over the years. One of the
things like that strikes mean. That's why I love doing
the show. It strikes mean for folks who are not
organizers or folks who are say about organizing against profession. Now,
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what you just described and what I do on my end,
the things that I do on my end, we're showing
that our business is so vast and it's so wide
and it's so open that there's room for everybody just
about to carve a niche correct, that's helpful to the clients.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You just export and expand and expands. Who we are
in the field, yes, in the industry itself.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Just because you just basically showed that in saying, you know,
I'm thinking about people who think differently. Because I keep
saying this for and horror again to people. I've said
it for sixteen years. I'll say it for sixteen more.
There's no one size fits all correct, and that every
person is as different as the issue.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
So so.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I keep saying because I'm tired of these people. Some
people will come out, but I got one solution, and
just buy this, you'll all be better. I'm like, oh,
I know, I know it works that way. I be
great if we did.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
But we all are. We taken we taken information differently.
That's what you just said.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You figured it out for some folks who take information
a different way. You created and folks, I want to say,
I went and listen to you, sheilam. I've created programs before.
I've been a part of different different industries and stuff.
It's not easy create a curriculum. It was.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It's right, it's.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Work, and it's isolating.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yes, that too, right. I mean it's like you, I'm
gonna create a whole program. And so I'm impressed with
you because I've done it before too, So I impressed
with you. But I'm like saying, but it's not it's
not just just just wake them and do it. It's like,
it's not you said research. I mean, so when you
were creating this, I mean, how like how you know?
How was that you were You're like, wow, you find
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all these information when you find out this, or you're
getting confirmation on things you thought.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean, I mean, how was that creating?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, you know, it's a really good question. I haven't
given a whole lot of which is interesting. We don't
always go back, you know, we don't. Right now, you
got me thinking, and so I think, you know, going back,
if I had to, I think it wasn't that. You know,
you don't start something out always seeing the end, right,
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So I think it has a lot to do with
curiosity and being open to the curiosity. Sometimes we tend
to quench our own curiosity. You don't have time for that. Oh,
don't be ridiculous. All the negative things we tell each
other that will never happen, and or you gotta be
kidding me. That's such a long stretch I mean, you're
I've heard that, right. So these are the things that
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you know, help, They quench our curiosity. And I think
for anybody listening is to rise above it. If you
see a track of something that is different but interesting
enough that it's making some sort of an impact, whether
you know, even if you find that it's a negative impact,
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pay attention. Don't don't don't talk yourself out of it.
I think in a lot of times we do. And
entrepreneurs wear a lot of hats, and so the other
thing is I don't have time for that. You know,
you need to make a little time for it. So
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when I started this, and I just told you, the
first thing I did was I had a teleclass. I
had no idea or an intention for this to end
up being a huge industry valid industry approach to organizing.
But so and a graduate, you know, it went over time.
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So here we are twenty twenty five and I arted
back in twenty fourteen, so you know it didn't happen overnight.
It evolved and every step a little bit along the way.
And I think when I hit this idea, gishila, this
is going to be really impactfully important. This has to
become a certification program, and I was the one who
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was the credentialing body. By the way, I didn't have
anybody behind me. It was just me, myself and I
and scary, as you know what. It was scary, yes,
but you just put one foot out front of the
other and you know, just just hope there isn't a
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cliff on the next step.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So I say, they said that that tell us the
train coming at you, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
That one of those exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
No, I mean because of the person myself, who you know,
pushes media podcasting. I've done many speaks for, many speaking engagements,
and many Maple chapters about this. I'm actually right now
working on something for left handed people and organizing. There
isn't anything out there, oh right, I'm left handed and
I actually on one of my shows I shared a
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left handed kitchen. And but see I have people tell
me who cares? That's not let me left handed people?
Why are you bothering? I'm like, but every time I
released something that's left handed related, it gets huge tension.
So I'm like, so somebody's looking and listening and curious.
So I'm pushing up. So I'm gonna working on something.
So stay tuned books. I'm working on this whole left
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I'm left handed, work on the whole left hand thing.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Good for you. But you know you've done this too,
So James, you you've you've done the whole thing to
You've taken risks, you've stepped out too. You've set an intention,
even if it was a small intention, it was an intention,
and as you grew into it, that extension and in
tension just kept growing. And look what you've created. So
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to your own credit, this is what I think.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
This is what.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Successful entrepreneurs do. We take risks where you know you're
afraid I'll look like I'm going to look like a
real idiot. I fall on my face. So you know
what I've learned. My answer to myself is.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So what right? What?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So? What's the worst thing that can happen?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I've never come up with a death blow yet?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
No same here and here, yeah, and there are and
there are no failures. That's what I've If I look
back and stuff, the affairs are just like, oh they've
led me now to this, that's probably, but it leads
you to something else, right, absolutely right, right, I know,
So I got we got to talk this with quickly.
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I mean because I because your timing was perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Mhm.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
The lockdown we had, this unprecedented thing happened in the world.
I'm precedented. They happened in the world in our lifetime,
I should say, at least our lifetime. And here in La,
I mean literally everything shut down. I'm in two fields.
I'm in entertainment media, I'm been organizing life coaching, and
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suddenly it all just kind of I remember March seventeenth
and all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Just like that's it.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
The networks I was working for they shut down. My
clients were all like and that shut down. And here
in La it was very strict so for a while,
so I was like, wow, this is crazy talk and
I thought and at least with the entertain media, I
figured that out. I was like organizing and like, we're
gonna do. I mean, it was you and others who
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were do the virtual stime. Remember I think as you
were talking, I remember seeing the flyers and ads you
guys were, and I'm like, you literally came at the
right time and you didn't even know it was at
the I mean, that's just God puts you in that
spot and said, Okay, Sheila, here you go. Now got
Now the world's gonna need you even more right, I
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did not.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I honestly can tell you I do not consider it coincidence,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I definitely do not know. You're right. I think God
just used me at the right time, in the right place.
And look what's happened to it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I mean, it's it's huge. And sorry, as I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Saying, if applied, if applied properly, which goes back to
the word applied neuroscience. If if virtual organizing is applied
in a certain manner with a client and I'm not
talking about a structured yes, but I'm not talking about
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a particular structure. It has to do with application, then
the virtual sessions can be incredibly powerful for the client.
Definitely for the client, for the organizer too, but for
the client and the has long sustainable uh success sustainable
(33:08):
is the operative thing because the brain changes, Yes, brain changes,
it does, and it's exciting. It's terribly exciting.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So I interrupted you, No, No, I know, it just
is get I guess decide.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I wanted to say, no, I was gonna I was
just picking back up for you, just saying that when
and I'm now celebrating ten years of Life certified Life coach,
my first certification. I have three and I'm a divorced
coach and that's kind of all kinds of things. So,
but but my first servcation. I remember my aunt Fate's
always she's like, you know, you've been organized for like
ten years, you should like, you know, like six seven years,
you should like look into a life coach. And I'm
(33:44):
like wild coaching, and uh, I did some research and
I ended up with Coach Training Alliance. How you guys
out there? They were great and and I was and
I just was like, wow, there was a whole world
there too.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Why bring it up?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It is just that I got into the now We've
got the mind and they're teaching me try to great teacher,
Laurie Cameron, I love you, Lori. That taught me all
these applications on how and I was like, oh, I
can actually use this in my organizing practice. They starting
to emerge and it took me a few years to
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find a way to Emergencield.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I was like, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I was like so for a while, because I do
have some I have coaching clients. They're separate, they're not
they're not. Well, that's just that's a lie, because in
a way, I'm socially teaching everybody how to organize something.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So I'll take that back. And so in the way now,
I guess I fully integrated them. It's just different areas,
that's what it's there. You go, yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I think that we have to It starts in the mind,
and I think we may not talk about that enough
in some of these.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's it's just it's it's a it's a it's a
it's a mind. It's a mindset thing when it comes
to organization. How you look at it and how people
look at stuff look at I would say for you,
I mean it mus been super busy during the pandemic
then like other folks doing it myself, and you might like,
I'm really busy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I was really busy. Yeah, yeah, really busy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Because now we got Zoom, we have Skype, we have
stream Row, we have time, you have me. Now we
have all these tools, tablets, now, these tools now other
than just the phone, right, that's.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right, right, And and Zoom is mobile, I mean on
a tablet or so it's mobile, right, So working with
a client is easy. They just move around the tablet
and if it's not the right spot, I'll ask them
to turn it, and you know they do it. And
aren't I making you a little sea sick? Nope, No,
just keep going, just keep going.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't take it too much. He's like, I took
my dog. Well no, but no, I'm saying that that
that's for you because you start off with the phone.
I was laughing, like, yeah, I mean I wear phones.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
They ain't have cameras on them, That's right, they didn't.
They didn't. I had a separate camera and had so.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, but in the last ten years fifteen years
has changed so much. We have these phones that are
just like these phones are really believing mini computers that literally.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Right, totally a mini computeruter.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So I just want to pick back off for you
to say, yeah, I agree with the whole mindset stuff
you have to it's it's all. It's part and parcel
of getting someone organized. I mean, it really is these days,
and and there's so much and I just want to
address this. Also, there's so much work out there, folks,
trust me, there, especially in America, there's a lot of
people with a lot of stuff. And I don't think
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it'll ever go away. I mean something you will, but
just I just at this point we have generations now
of stuff. Because I got this up Toe, I got
to ask you, she like, it's your advice on this.
I'm curious what you think AI t all that stuff.
I'm talking about it, and I don't see why people
(36:58):
are talking about in our industry, but I'm talking about
it in the sense that you're still be an organizer.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But I want to know what your thoughts are on
it right now because you're doing virtual already, which takes
away from going into the home, which is a great
source for people if they're if they're embarrassed or scared
or almost might in our house like you actually so, But.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
How do you feel out this whole jet? See? You
know people, how do I organize my closet? They? How
do you? How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Correct? And I have seen comments on facetok Facebook about
oh my goodness, I needed it, or like I was
organizing a closet. I forgot what it was, but they
asked chat GPT and came up with a whole list
of do this first, do that first. If you wann't
like this, do it this way. And the concern is, oh,
my goodness, that is going to put you know, the
(37:46):
organizing profession right on its butt. And I'll tell you
what I thought. You know, there's always going to be
a certain population that wants to a different kind of diy.
It has to do with doing it my way, doing
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it cheap, taking it the shortcut. This would be a shortcut, right,
I mean right, because here's what happens that they think
they're getting a prize and it's a free prize from
chat GPT, right, which makes it all that much more interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But chat GPT does not know you. They do not
know the integrating part of who you are and how
you work, especially for those who are neurodivergent. Some people
need to have their stuff out, not in a drawer
or in a file drawer, or in a special closet
(38:44):
or hung on the other side of the room. Some
people need to have hooks. And it's still organization, and
it's still very calm visual organization. That's one of the
things we have to do is calm the visual yes,
because the brain just is too confused, yes, and the
brain seeks to organize itself. The brain is always trying
(39:09):
to figure it out. So it's exhausting if you don't
have the tools, so check GPT cannot do that for you.
So I think, like everything else. Right now, it's novel,
it's fun, but let's see about the longevity to it.
(39:29):
I mean, I'll give you a perfect example. You walk
into a client or I won't walk into a client's,
but I will see on camera a client's. You know,
tell me what kind of what kind of organizing tools
are you using? And it used to be you'd run out,
I'm gonna get organized. They'd run a home depot or
target and they buy one hundred thousand big you know,
(39:52):
and they got colorful lids and oive and you know,
tell me why you still have CASS if you've got
all these you know, yes, yes, there you go. That's
the reason, because you know that the blank fill in
the blank fill in is not it's not personal. It
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doesn't help you who you are with, who you and
how you do organize on the same token, challenging a
client and say to them, Okay, I know that you're
doing it this way, and it sounds like you're feeling
that this works best for you, But tell me how
it's really working out for you? Is it really supportive?
(40:35):
And the answer is no, I have to keep doing
it all over the kit keep falling apart and all
these because you're working against yourself, not with it. Let's
figure a way, you know, let's figure it away. So
as a professional organizer, I and you can work with
a client to figure out a strategy or plan that
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that's fitting for them and so that sustainable, so it
doesn't cost a whole big fortune. We do space organizing.
How are they flowing and working in their room or
in a particular a kitchen. You know, you're talking about
left handed kitchens. I'm like, oh, that sounds wonderful. It's
(41:18):
about flow, it's about workflow. So you're not going to
ever get that from AI. So I hope I answer
your question.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
But you did you know you're on a similar tip
as I am. I'm just I'm like, there are folks
who may not have a major problem with an organization,
so this could work for them and for me. It's
like looking up a definition. So what's a desk? You
looking up and you found what a desk is? It's like,
how to organize this this shelf? They tell you how
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to organize a shelf. It's like a definition of how
to do it. So if it's something easy, you can
do it. But there are folks we were just counting
all the folks who physically can do their own organization.
Always there's always worked there. There are folks who are busy,
ye entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs who are just like I just want
it done. I'll tell you what I want. I have
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few clients like that who's just like, I'm telling you
what I want or now I know them so like
it's kind of sure we have.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Short hair, it still needs you to do it physically.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Or folks who just need who aren't even sure what
they want so they go to chances to me, they're like,
I don't know what because they're also saying this, you
know the right prompts, I get the right answers.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
There are folks are still gonna need someone to consult
with them and go I have this, I have this space,
this breakfast look area, like I don't know I put
plants there. It's like they don't. So it's like you
still be a physical person, whether it's virtual a person
to say, wait, we already thought of this, or what
about this like, or sometimes it's actually moving a plant
(42:50):
over there. Correct, I'm sure we go that chan's great
over there. I never thought that before, but we physically
moved it there. So I keep telling you the human element.
I think some of these things are quick fit, quick
quick fix, quick.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Fast, and novel just it's fun, let's play with it.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
But so it's like, I'm not discounting it completely, but
I'm like, well, I'm not scared of it. I just
think that we have I'm busy with works. I don't
know way else, but I mean, I just sad you
there's plenty of work out there, I think. But I
also think she I think sometimes it's good that we
get shaken up a little bit in our business. We
get a little too complecens like, so we need to
kind of like that the technology is changing and we
(43:33):
should change with it. You just do an example of that.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
You literally are an example of changing with the times.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
And if you and if you don't get left behind.
I mean, you know, in I guess different strokes for
different folks, and we all know that. But I think
if you're running a business and you're and it's not
just for me, it's not just my business. My industry
is is who I am. It's it's my love, you know.
(43:59):
And you think you have to think a little bit
broader and more globally about the effects from outside and
what is who do we look like?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Who are we?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And we have to evolve as well, and that's growth,
that's just growth.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I can talk to you forever. But these podcasts, they don't.
I don't want to do like forty minutes, fifty minutes.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
To come back on. You just have to come back on.
I just this was delightful. Thank you so much for
sharing the history of that.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Thank you, thank you for having having me and for
allowing me to share, you know, some of my own
little history. I don't get to share it very much.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
No, you're a groundbreaker. Hello girl, you're a groundbreaker. Please
come on. Oh, like, that's what we have to We
have to we have to support our groundbreakers and people
who who have a vision.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
That's it. I think you're like me. We love this industry.
I love I love his industry. I know you do.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I know you do. It's it's clearly obvious that you do,
which is why I'm so honored that you've invited me
thank you.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So much, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So folks, I'll put it in the description of course below,
but I want her just to say it out loud.
Where can they find you if they want to follow
you in your business?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Certainly? So my website is the Virtual Professional Organizer dot com.
And uh, how did you get that?
Speaker 3 (45:16):
No one else had it?
Speaker 1 (45:17):
No, no nobody else had it.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
That's that's like, I mean, a super organizer. No one
had it.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm like it also the virtual right, I'm the super organizer,
so you know, I get it, but just kind of
I still thought someone would have it. But it's like,
so fight don't add it.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Nope, nope, And I don't think that that was exactly
you know, a happenstance either, of course.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, of course, of course, no coincidences.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
We don't believe that's it's all coincidences, right, So that's
so be reached that way. I'm on LinkedIn and Facebook
as well.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
So I'll put it, put it below, put it all
there below, and.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
If there's curious, anybody has curiosity and what question? And
I'm certainly happy to speak to anybody who and if.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
You're nervous about it, you can come to me and
I'll make introduction.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Need some people will need another person in between, right,
So I always all tell any of my guests, I'm like,
you want to talk to any of them, and you're
curiously you have questions when they just a little ur out.
I know for some people that's that's that's paralyzing. For
some people, come to me, you know me, James Junior.
Come to me and I'll make the introductions. How's that
I want? I want no one to feel like there's
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a block at all.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
No no, no, no, no, no nope.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Organizers here every Monday. That's me here Monday. I'm here
on Mondays. Also, I'm hired to you a lot of
help dot com super organizer. Our show is on all
those stream service platforms you can think of. Audio. We're
on YouTube and jail Ja Media. The super organizers work
on his show are on Facebook and x and blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Everything I got. My blog is a lot of help.
I find a blog post Monay through Friday to all.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Kids and I have some books, so I'm going to
Amazon and type in who organize their books.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Take those out. Folks. Have a great week, and when
I touch you next time, I'll be a year older. Bye,
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
It is Monday, May fifth, twenty twenty five, the day
after I've made the fourth be with you, and five
days before my birthday.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I know. It's all.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's crazy, folks. I know this year by fast. Hi,
Welcome to the s RAS Show with James Junior. I'm
James Junior, super Organizer. I am in my year ten.
I'm doing the show. These are my year ten episodes.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I know.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm just a long time started on radio and moved
over to the podcasting world, and I'm very glvi I've
done it. I've had so many guests on here, it's crazy.
I'm nearing five hundred episodes, I know, and I did
them all. I was there for all of them, pray talk.
So because of that, I like to meet so many
people and bring so many guests. And this person I've
(00:49):
known online through our NAPO community, ICD community, and now
I'm finally getting around to having her on the show.
But she's somebody who's she's smart. She's a mast neuroplastician
and I find out what that is, not what that is.
She's a certified personal organizer in so many different areas
to a speaker, consultant, teacher, developer training, the vel she
(01:11):
does all this stuff. She's like, maybe do stuff like this,
And she actually has the website, the virtual organizer dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm gonna ask you about that. To you, I was like,
how'd you get that? Help me? Welcome Sheila Delson.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
She like, James, Hi, thank you so much for having me.
I am delighted to be here. And my goodness, Tip,
this is your ten years doing this. I know it's
been a long time because I also have been watching
and following you two. I mean, how can we you know,
we just always passed, But I'm so glad today we're
just sort of fine. We connecting. This is great.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We have a lot of friendly common in the business.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And yes, and I just I would never ten I
mean twenty fifteen, that's when I started this whole. Someone
came to me. I told the story on the show
for it. Someone came to me for those who are
new to this, and said, you have a blog, and yeah,
I start this blog and go can you make that
into a radio show?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Like, oh my god, yes, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I can do it.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I had no idea what was doing, but I did it.
And ten years later and almost five.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Episodes I'm still here and and and so as as
we get into this, I always do my things and gratitude.
I do want to give things and gratitude obviously the
Sheeta from coming on the show, but also to anyone
who listened to the show or watched the show, because
literally I would not literally would not be here if
no one listened or watched this show. And the support
(02:31):
I've gotten so many professional organizers in this business on
I appreciate that very very very very very very very
very much. I'm kind of a unicorn in the business.
I think I'm the only black male in the business.
I know, I don't. I have not many been any others.
And yeah, I have not been any others I preached out.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah I think you mentioned me neither.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah. Is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I'm like, and I've kind of this big tall
when I go to conference zone, kind I kind of
stand down. I'm loud, you know, I stand out. But
I appreciate everyone who accepts me and takes me in.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And I learned so.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Much, oh my goodness, from the people in this business.
I love you, guys.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I love this business very very very very very very
very very much. And I'll continue to push it forward
and pay it for it. And I also want to
think my opportunities that I've had to promote this business
on Jimmy kim Alive and other places like that. Normally
we don't have representation. I've been fortunately being formerst Magazine
a couple of times. So I'm doing my best, doing
(03:33):
my best.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, but it's working. You're rocking and rolling and it's working.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, thank you. I'm gratude for all that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
As my birthday approaches, I just really I'm just thinking
more of my past and doing this.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I've been in.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Sixteen years in this business, and I just I think
we're called now long timers, not saying old timer anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I think we're saying long timer, right.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Long timer is far more fishing.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
An old time. I would say old timer. I'll say
that anymore.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But then you know, a rose by any other name.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh well, totally. So thank you anybody for all your support.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's all. That's all.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I really like what I've never gratuated every day for that, Michille.
So I want you to actually explain to me what
a master neuroplastician is. I've never heard before, and I'm
very curious.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Well, You're right, it's a very good question. So I'm
going to be answering the question, which is a way
up front answer to a whole lot of background. So
I'll just dive right in. So a master neuroplastician is
has to do with applied neuroplasticity in the work that
we do, specifically with our clients. So what would make up,
(04:45):
for example, what a master europe Plastician would be with
a lot of times it would be therapist's life consultants, right,
a life coach, physical therapist, speech there, therapists, teachers the
ideas that the work that we do, through the work
(05:08):
that we do physically, work that we do creates neuroscience
benefit in the brain. So it's a lot about neuroplasticity.
But those who are qualified to and actually do the
performance or the action of neuroplasticity through our work, it's
(05:34):
about the applied neuroplastician and neuroplasticity. Those are the people
who take a certification and become noted as I'm a
master neuroplastician. So and it's kind of interesting how did
I get that? And that's the other side of my story,
which I think you'll find pretty interesting. I'll try to
(05:54):
keep it as you know, as narrow and focused so organized.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well we try anyway, but I do have a little ADHD,
so sometimes I can go down a rabbit hole. So
just just reel me back in.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I know to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I've I've been I've been this for ten years and
I do this. I get working out. I'm on your side.
We're working o working out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Okay, we're rocking and rolling together. That's the way it
should be. So so you know, I've been in this
business thirty one years. Yeah, this gray hair isn't there
for no reason.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
To.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I mean because the business, our industry is only like
but forty years old kind of yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, yeah, so I'm one of the Oldheimer's. But but
my my focused initially when I first started, you know,
NAPLE was brand new at the time, relatively brand new, right,
and there weren't all that many members. But we were
a pretty active group and we were deep termined group.
(07:01):
And as you know, over the years, NAPO has grown
not just in membership but in knowledge. Yes, And there
was no training to be a professional organizer back then,
literally winging it and but we worked together. I mean
that was wonderful thing about NAPO is we all came
(07:23):
together met annually and that's how we all learned. So
it is an educational piece. Thank goodness for NEAPO. So
during my time in NAPO, I started the population of
clients that I work with, is this is traction to
people with neurodiversity. And what would that mean? Individuals that
(07:47):
have ADHD OCD even some physical manifestations that do affect
how their brains are wired, how they think, how they operate,
how they organize, because you know, organizing really starts in
the brain, right in the mind, well not necessarily the brain,
but the mind. How you think about things right and
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your experiences, life experiences. That's why everybody. We're just so
different everyone, which is wonderful. But then came Judith Colberg.
I'm sure you've heard about me to who does not
love Oh my gosh. So she started to understand that.
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You know, we had this little group of people with Judith,
because we found there was a population in our clients
that had they will just say they organized differently, and
they're thinking about organization. It was different. So what is
this thing? And out of Judith had created this other
little subgroup of NAPO. At the time, it was called
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the n s g c D, the National Study Group
on Chronic Disorganization. We weren't formalized. We were just a
little subgroup. But because this is what we do when
we all come together, we learned from each other. We
start sharing experiences and wow, this person thinks so differently.
Over the years we learned, of course, this is really
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what we meant, what the current term is in neurodiversity,
different ways of thinking, how our brains are wired. So
from there we decided that we're going to become more formal,
and ICD eventually evolved. Right, we're challenging disorganization. So for
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this neurodiverse thing, one of the terms that's used, and
it is not a formal term, it's an umbrella term,
and we call it chronically disorganized individuals who live their
lives chronically disorganized and they're unhappy and they're frustrated. And
it could have been from the time they were young
children all the way up and or even some individ
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jewels that discover later in life that oh, my goodness,
all of my issues have been because I've got ADHD
and no big surprise. Right, So they're developed out of
their a body of NAPLE members that became very involved
with this neurodiverse population, and so ICD just expanded on that.
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So the ICD is a sub of NAPO. And as
you know, so I'm just for your listeners and kiss
you and they don't know so. Anyway, during that time,
back in twenty thirteen, I had been working with a
client for a number of years, and you know, she
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when we show up at a client's house, we're not
there for an hour. We have a minimum amount of
time takes sometimes an hour to get there, right right,
we have, so we show up and we have have
maybe a minimum of three or four hours and sometimes
more depending on how.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Far we go.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So we work with that client for that four or
five hour window and then we leave. So click, you're connected.
And then there's the click when we leave, they have
to they have a big bill to pay at the
end of that day. So you leave one of your
next appointment. It's never the next day to finish up.
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And we never finish a project in three or four hours.
Sometimes they go on for months, right years. But the
point is that we don't get back to see them
again too soon. What I discovered and I wasn't the
only organizer. We'd meet at conferences and have these conversations,
and it's like, you know, I'm seeing this happen too,
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and it's upsetting because by the time you can get
back to that client, that hole that we had just
dug out sort of starts to fill back in again
and starting all over again. So I found this a
little unsettling for our profession. And this one afternoon, this
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one client had said to me, you know, Sheila, I
don't know if I can have you back here again
for maybe for another couple of months. She was elderly
and her kids were thinking, you know, you're really spending
all this time and expense working with this organizer. You know,
maybe we need cutback. So she said to me, I'm
going to have to cut back, and I knew what
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would happen in our pattern of work. I said, sorry,
you know, let's try something. Want to do an experiment.
How about we work I come once a month on site,
but in between, every single week in between, we meet
on the telephone. Now this was back before zoom, right,
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So we'll work together on the telephone, no more than
an hour, no more than just an hour. So she
reluctantly agreed. But oh my goodness, it was an amazing result.
It's like, what's going on here? I'm not there. I
do know the space, so I can walk her through
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certain things because I've been there. So, but she was
actually getting the work done. There was no resistance. She
was listening to me only in the telephone and physically
doing the work herself. She had a speakerphone, one of
those ear things over.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So and she was actually getting doing the work herself.
And I had a timer and when one hour was up, okay,
that's enough for today. We'll meet again. It's meet day
after tomorrow. So two days later we meet again. So
this went on for a number of weeks, and my
brain just went, how this is awesome.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But what is it?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Back then?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Back then?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What is going on here? So finally, and I didn't
I started the experiment with a couple of other of
my clients, and again very reluctant. I don't understand how
this is going to work and everything else, but it
was working. So I conference this one. It's twenty fourteen,
and I was talking to a bunch of my colleagues
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and they were like their eyes glassed over. I have
no idea what you're talking about. It sounds ridiculous. This
cannot possibly be. You're not you're not really organizing. And
then yet indeed, indeed I was right. So I went
back home after that conference, and you know, sometimes some
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people don't do well with challenges.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
No, I was child, that's right, girl, that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I want to know what is going on here. So
I started, I said, ask me if I would do
a telecopt class on it, sign me up, did a teleclass,
and it forced me to do my own research. It
forced me to ask a more questions, and in the
development of that teleclass, I began, this is virtual organizing
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in a strange kind of a way. Then, don't forget
we still only had telephones back then, so how was
I seeing all the progress? The clients then would have
to send me photographs before sessions, photos after I started
keeping records, and then I started showing at the end
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of a month or so sending them photographs. I would
compile all the photographs wow, so they could see themselves
where they came from. The clients never canceled. All my
payments were exactly on time, I charged the same hourly
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rate as I would have had I been on set,
but the progress, the elevation of self confidence, the skill
transfer was triple fold, and I couldn't have been happier
because it's you know, job fulfillment, right. We need to
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note that what we're doing is valuable, right. It has
neilas to say, come around. And I did also a
couple of I think I did also a speak out
at one of the conferences twenty seventeen. I did twenty
seventeen in for NAPO. So all of a sudden, there
is this interest in the organizing field about this virtual organizing.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
And how to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I remember, yeah, And so I started a four week
you know, just a certificate of attendance for anybody that wants.
I ran this little short program and then I guess
twenty nineteen, and it was just before COVID. I decided,
you know, there's so much interest, I really want to
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make this a solid, really important training. So I turned
it into a certification program, expanded the sessions from four
to six, included practicums, a lot of handouts, a lot
of resources, and an exam at the end, and of
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course a certification for those who graduated. So that started
in two thousand, actually twenty twenty. I kicked it off,
and then COVID hit and all of a sudden, organizers
weren't going into people's homes and people didn't want the
organizer in their home. But life goes on. Especially everybody
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was home, right, they were stuck at home with their
stuff and feeling frustrated. So all of a sudden, my
program took off, like because organizers are like, tell me
how to do this, you know. It was it was
really it was a remarkable time, just being in the
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right time, in the right place. So yeah, so that's
kind of where it is. And it was only I
think it was last year, early last year that I discovered.
So I'm finally getting around to your first question. How
did a master neuroplastician?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
I love this whole history. I just got a history
of my show. I love this.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
You did ask for it, after all.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I love it. I'm sorry, this is more than I expect.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay, well stop me, stop me with your show. So
in I guess early last year, one of my colleagues,
my graduate colleagues from my program, called and said to me, Sheila,
I just saw this podcast. You have got to listen
to this podcast. So she sent me the link and
I went in and listened. And there's this gentleman who
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is a neuroscientist. His name is doctor Justin Kennedy, and
he is from I have to look at it. It's
called the Institute of Organizational Neuroscience. It's ion DOT. I
think dot maybe dot org. I forgot what the dot is.
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There's so many dots some things anyway, I get confused.
But anyway, it is the Institute of Organizational Neuroscience. And
he was speaking about this other sub organization that he
has started called the NPN Hub, and in this are
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made up of members who are what he called neuroplasticians.
Now I had already been well tuned in to the
benefits of virtual or benefits of neuros science in virtual organizing.
That's one of the big things I discovered. Virtual organizing
is wonderful. But what makes it so wonderful that magic
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sauce is the neuro plasticity involved in the application of
working virtually. So I'm listening to this guy and my
jaws dropping and I said, oh my gosh, he's talking
about what I've known about all this time and never
had a connection to other than my own little research.
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But you know, you need something. So I got in
touch with him and he said, come join the NPN hub.
So I joined the NPN Hub and through working with him,
we spoke on the phone several times. We did some
zoom calls and he said to me, you know, I
think that I'd like you to consider applying. And by
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the way, the shop for him was, oh my goodness.
This he had not heard about professional organizer and especially
virtual professional organizing, and it fascinated him. And when I
explained to him what I learned about how virtual organizing
affects in neuroplasticity and vice versa, he was delighted. So
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it was another little window for him as well. So
he asked me if I would apply for the Neuroplastician certification.
There's three levels, and I thought, what have I got
to lose? Sure, but it was jumping through hoops. I
had to write a paper, I had to do an
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interview and then and fill out an application of course,
and then all of the interview, the video interview, by
the way, had to go before his Bureau of Advisors,
which are also all neuroscientists in the field, and maybe
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a week later my LinkedIn page blew up. It was
he was putting. He put in the logo and I
actually was awarded the Master, which is the highest level.
So because of because of my experience, and that's what
really really did it for me. So another piece of news,
in the end of twenty twenty four very end ICD
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acquired my virtual my certified virtual organizing program. So the
program right now is running through ICD. Yeah, congratulations, that's
that's my whole round story for you.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I love it. Well, I got some of the things
I was I took notes.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I guess one of things I want to say, no,
thank you for sharing that history because I think now
I have documented on my show.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I love this stuff of the history. I saw your shout.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I want to give another things to grabtu you and
just on the side to ICD, the ladies are there
when I first came to this business. It's it's well,
it's well documented all. I don't want to bring a
rehash all problems. But and Maypele have a very interesting
relationship over the years. We're better now, but we had
an insulationship. But I want to say one of the
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first groups that embraced me was ic D. I didn't
do the program, but I reached out to be like,
I'm news an organized what does this mean and what's
going on? They're actually sending materials they talk to me.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I can't my show.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I have a very big soft spot for CD, and
I know I've seen their programs, their work.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's really good stuff. And I said, it's ahead of
their time every.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Time, world class, world class training. It's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Completely, So it's my gal shots ICD just because I
do have a very I mean this show very soft spot.
I love love the ladies over there very much and
and it's been wonderful over the years. One of the
things like that strikes mean. That's why I love doing
the show. It strikes mean for folks who are not
organizers or folks who are say about organizing against profession. Now,
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what you just described and what I do on my end,
the things that I do on my end, we're showing
that our business is so vast and it's so wide
and it's so open that there's room for everybody just
about to carve a niche correct, that's helpful to the clients.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
You just export and expand and expands. Who we are
in the field, yes, in the industry itself.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Just because you just basically showed that in saying, you know,
I'm thinking about people who think differently. Because I keep
saying this for and horror again to people. I've said
it for sixteen years. I'll say it for sixteen more.
There's no one size fits all correct, and that every
person is as different as the issue.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
So so.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I keep saying because I'm tired of these people. Some
people will come out, but I got one solution, and
just buy this, you'll all be better. I'm like, oh,
I know, I know it works that way. I be
great if we did.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
But we all are. We taken we taken information differently.
That's what you just said.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You figured it out for some folks who take information
a different way. You created and folks, I want to say,
I went and listen to you, sheilam. I've created programs before.
I've been a part of different different industries and stuff.
It's not easy create a curriculum. It was.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It's right, it's.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Work, and it's isolating.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yes, that too, right. I mean it's like you, I'm
gonna create a whole program. And so I'm impressed with
you because I've done it before too, So I impressed
with you. But I'm like saying, but it's not it's
not just just just wake them and do it. It's like,
it's not you said research. I mean, so when you
were creating this, I mean, how like how you know?
How was that you were You're like, wow, you find
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all these information when you find out this, or you're
getting confirmation on things you thought.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I mean, I mean, how was that creating?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, you know, it's a really good question. I haven't
given a whole lot of which is interesting. We don't
always go back, you know, we don't. Right now, you
got me thinking, and so I think, you know, going back,
if I had to, I think it wasn't that. You know,
you don't start something out always seeing the end, right,
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So I think it has a lot to do with
curiosity and being open to the curiosity. Sometimes we tend
to quench our own curiosity. You don't have time for that. Oh,
don't be ridiculous. All the negative things we tell each
other that will never happen, and or you gotta be
kidding me. That's such a long stretch I mean, you're
I've heard that, right. So these are the things that
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you know, help, They quench our curiosity. And I think
for anybody listening is to rise above it. If you
see a track of something that is different but interesting
enough that it's making some sort of an impact, whether
you know, even if you find that it's a negative impact,
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pay attention. Don't don't don't talk yourself out of it.
I think in a lot of times we do. And
entrepreneurs wear a lot of hats, and so the other
thing is I don't have time for that. You know,
you need to make a little time for it. So
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when I started this, and I just told you, the
first thing I did was I had a teleclass. I
had no idea or an intention for this to end
up being a huge industry valid industry approach to organizing.
But so and a graduate, you know, it went over time.
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So here we are twenty twenty five and I arted
back in twenty fourteen, so you know it didn't happen overnight.
It evolved and every step a little bit along the way.
And I think when I hit this idea, gishila, this
is going to be really impactfully important. This has to
become a certification program, and I was the one who
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was the credentialing body. By the way, I didn't have
anybody behind me. It was just me, myself and I
and scary, as you know what. It was scary, yes,
but you just put one foot out front of the
other and you know, just just hope there isn't a
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cliff on the next step.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
So I say, they said that that tell us the
train coming at you, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
That one of those exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
No, I mean because of the person myself, who you know,
pushes media podcasting. I've done many speaks for, many speaking engagements,
and many Maple chapters about this. I'm actually right now
working on something for left handed people and organizing. There
isn't anything out there, oh right, I'm left handed and
I actually on one of my shows I shared a
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left handed kitchen. And but see I have people tell
me who cares? That's not let me left handed people?
Why are you bothering? I'm like, but every time I
released something that's left handed related, it gets huge tension.
So I'm like, so somebody's looking and listening and curious.
So I'm pushing up. So I'm gonna working on something.
So stay tuned books. I'm working on this whole left
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I'm left handed, work on the whole left hand thing.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Good for you. But you know you've done this too,
So James, you you've you've done the whole thing to
You've taken risks, you've stepped out too. You've set an intention,
even if it was a small intention, it was an intention,
and as you grew into it, that extension and in
tension just kept growing. And look what you've created. So
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to your own credit, this is what I think.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
This is what.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Successful entrepreneurs do. We take risks where you know you're
afraid I'll look like I'm going to look like a
real idiot. I fall on my face. So you know
what I've learned. My answer to myself is.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So what right? What?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So? What's the worst thing that can happen?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I've never come up with a death blow yet?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
No same here and here, yeah, and there are and
there are no failures. That's what I've If I look
back and stuff, the affairs are just like, oh they've
led me now to this, that's probably, but it leads
you to something else, right, absolutely right, right, I know,
So I got we got to talk this with quickly.
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I mean because I because your timing was perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Mhm.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
The lockdown we had, this unprecedented thing happened in the world.
I'm precedented. They happened in the world in our lifetime,
I should say, at least our lifetime. And here in La,
I mean literally everything shut down. I'm in two fields.
I'm in entertainment media, I'm been organizing life coaching, and
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suddenly it all just kind of I remember March seventeenth
and all.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Just like that's it.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
The networks I was working for they shut down. My
clients were all like and that shut down. And here
in La it was very strict so for a while,
so I was like, wow, this is crazy talk and
I thought and at least with the entertain media, I
figured that out. I was like organizing and like, we're
gonna do. I mean, it was you and others who
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were do the virtual stime. Remember I think as you
were talking, I remember seeing the flyers and ads you
guys were, and I'm like, you literally came at the
right time and you didn't even know it was at
the I mean, that's just God puts you in that
spot and said, Okay, Sheila, here you go. Now got
Now the world's gonna need you even more right, I
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did not.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I honestly can tell you I do not consider it coincidence,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I definitely do not know. You're right. I think God
just used me at the right time, in the right place.
And look what's happened to it.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
I mean, it's it's huge. And sorry, as I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Saying, if applied, if applied properly, which goes back to
the word applied neuroscience. If if virtual organizing is applied
in a certain manner with a client and I'm not
talking about a structured yes, but I'm not talking about
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a particular structure. It has to do with application, then
the virtual sessions can be incredibly powerful for the client.
Definitely for the client, for the organizer too, but for
the client and the has long sustainable uh success sustainable
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is the operative thing because the brain changes, Yes, brain changes,
it does, and it's exciting. It's terribly exciting.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So I interrupted you, No, No, I know, it just
is get I guess decide.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I wanted to say, no, I was gonna I was
just picking back up for you, just saying that when
and I'm now celebrating ten years of Life certified Life coach,
my first certification. I have three and I'm a divorced
coach and that's kind of all kinds of things. So,
but but my first servcation. I remember my aunt Fate's
always she's like, you know, you've been organized for like
ten years, you should like, you know, like six seven years,
you should like look into a life coach. And I'm
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like wild coaching, and uh, I did some research and
I ended up with Coach Training Alliance. How you guys
out there? They were great and and I was and
I just was like, wow, there was a whole world
there too.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Why bring it up?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It is just that I got into the now We've
got the mind and they're teaching me try to great teacher,
Laurie Cameron, I love you, Lori. That taught me all
these applications on how and I was like, oh, I
can actually use this in my organizing practice. They starting
to emerge and it took me a few years to
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find a way to Emergencield.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I was like, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I was like so for a while, because I do
have some I have coaching clients. They're separate, they're not
they're not. Well, that's just that's a lie, because in
a way, I'm socially teaching everybody how to organize something.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So I'll take that back. And so in the way now,
I guess I fully integrated them. It's just different areas,
that's what it's there. You go, yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I think that we have to It starts in the mind,
and I think we may not talk about that enough
in some of these.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It's it's just it's it's a it's a it's a
it's a mind. It's a mindset thing when it comes
to organization. How you look at it and how people
look at stuff look at I would say for you,
I mean it mus been super busy during the pandemic
then like other folks doing it myself, and you might like,
I'm really busy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I was really busy. Yeah, yeah, really busy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Because now we got Zoom, we have Skype, we have
stream Row, we have time, you have me. Now we
have all these tools, tablets, now, these tools now other
than just the phone, right, that's.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Right, right, And and Zoom is mobile, I mean on
a tablet or so it's mobile, right, So working with
a client is easy. They just move around the tablet
and if it's not the right spot, I'll ask them
to turn it, and you know they do it. And
aren't I making you a little sea sick? Nope, No,
just keep going, just keep going.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't take it too much. He's like, I took
my dog. Well no, but no, I'm saying that that
that's for you because you start off with the phone.
I was laughing, like, yeah, I mean I wear phones.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
They ain't have cameras on them, That's right, they didn't.
They didn't. I had a separate camera and had so.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I mean, but in the last ten years fifteen years
has changed so much. We have these phones that are
just like these phones are really believing mini computers that literally.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Right, totally a mini computeruter.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So I just want to pick back off for you
to say, yeah, I agree with the whole mindset stuff
you have to it's it's all. It's part and parcel
of getting someone organized. I mean, it really is these days,
and and there's so much and I just want to
address this. Also, there's so much work out there, folks,
trust me, there, especially in America, there's a lot of
people with a lot of stuff. And I don't think
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it'll ever go away. I mean something you will, but
just I just at this point we have generations now
of stuff. Because I got this up Toe, I got
to ask you, she like, it's your advice on this.
I'm curious what you think AI t all that stuff.
I'm talking about it, and I don't see why people
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are talking about in our industry, but I'm talking about
it in the sense that you're still be an organizer.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
That's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But I want to know what your thoughts are on
it right now because you're doing virtual already, which takes
away from going into the home, which is a great
source for people if they're if they're embarrassed or scared
or almost might in our house like you actually so, But.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
How do you feel out this whole jet? See? You
know people, how do I organize my closet? They? How
do you? How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Correct? And I have seen comments on facetok Facebook about
oh my goodness, I needed it, or like I was
organizing a closet. I forgot what it was, but they
asked chat GPT and came up with a whole list
of do this first, do that first. If you wann't
like this, do it this way. And the concern is, oh,
my goodness, that is going to put you know, the
(37:46):
organizing profession right on its butt. And I'll tell you
what I thought. You know, there's always going to be
a certain population that wants to a different kind of diy.
It has to do with doing it my way, doing
(38:07):
it cheap, taking it the shortcut. This would be a shortcut, right,
I mean right, because here's what happens that they think
they're getting a prize and it's a free prize from
chat GPT, right, which makes it all that much more interesting.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But chat GPT does not know you. They do not
know the integrating part of who you are and how
you work, especially for those who are neurodivergent. Some people
need to have their stuff out, not in a drawer
or in a file drawer, or in a special closet
(38:44):
or hung on the other side of the room. Some
people need to have hooks. And it's still organization, and
it's still very calm visual organization. That's one of the
things we have to do is calm the visual yes,
because the brain just is too confused, yes, and the
brain seeks to organize itself. The brain is always trying
(39:09):
to figure it out. So it's exhausting if you don't
have the tools, so check GPT cannot do that for you.
So I think, like everything else. Right now, it's novel,
it's fun, but let's see about the longevity to it.
(39:29):
I mean, I'll give you a perfect example. You walk
into a client or I won't walk into a client's,
but I will see on camera a client's. You know,
tell me what kind of what kind of organizing tools
are you using? And it used to be you'd run out,
I'm gonna get organized. They'd run a home depot or
target and they buy one hundred thousand big you know,
(39:52):
and they got colorful lids and oive and you know,
tell me why you still have CASS if you've got
all these you know, yes, yes, there you go. That's
the reason, because you know that the blank fill in
the blank fill in is not it's not personal. It
(40:13):
doesn't help you who you are with, who you and
how you do organize on the same token, challenging a
client and say to them, Okay, I know that you're
doing it this way, and it sounds like you're feeling
that this works best for you, But tell me how
it's really working out for you? Is it really supportive?
(40:35):
And the answer is no, I have to keep doing
it all over the kit keep falling apart and all
these because you're working against yourself, not with it. Let's
figure a way, you know, let's figure it away. So
as a professional organizer, I and you can work with
a client to figure out a strategy or plan that
(40:56):
that's fitting for them and so that sustainable, so it
doesn't cost a whole big fortune. We do space organizing.
How are they flowing and working in their room or
in a particular a kitchen. You know, you're talking about
left handed kitchens. I'm like, oh, that sounds wonderful. It's
(41:18):
about flow, it's about workflow. So you're not going to
ever get that from AI. So I hope I answer
your question.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
But you did you know you're on a similar tip
as I am. I'm just I'm like, there are folks
who may not have a major problem with an organization,
so this could work for them and for me. It's
like looking up a definition. So what's a desk? You
looking up and you found what a desk is? It's like,
how to organize this this shelf? They tell you how
(41:49):
to organize a shelf. It's like a definition of how
to do it. So if it's something easy, you can
do it. But there are folks we were just counting
all the folks who physically can do their own organization.
Always there's always worked there. There are folks who are busy,
ye entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs who are just like I just want
it done. I'll tell you what I want. I have
(42:11):
few clients like that who's just like, I'm telling you
what I want or now I know them so like
it's kind of sure we have.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Short hair, it still needs you to do it physically.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Or folks who just need who aren't even sure what
they want so they go to chances to me, they're like,
I don't know what because they're also saying this, you
know the right prompts, I get the right answers.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
There are folks are still gonna need someone to consult
with them and go I have this, I have this space,
this breakfast look area, like I don't know I put
plants there. It's like they don't. So it's like you
still be a physical person, whether it's virtual a person
to say, wait, we already thought of this, or what
about this like, or sometimes it's actually moving a plant
(42:50):
over there. Correct, I'm sure we go that chan's great
over there. I never thought that before, but we physically
moved it there. So I keep telling you the human element.
I think some of these things are quick fit, quick
quick fix, quick.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Fast, and novel just it's fun, let's play with it.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
But so it's like, I'm not discounting it completely, but
I'm like, well, I'm not scared of it. I just
think that we have I'm busy with works. I don't
know way else, but I mean, I just sad you
there's plenty of work out there, I think. But I
also think she I think sometimes it's good that we
get shaken up a little bit in our business. We
get a little too complecens like, so we need to
kind of like that the technology is changing and we
(43:33):
should change with it. You just do an example of that.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
You literally are an example of changing with the times.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
And if you and if you don't get left behind.
I mean, you know, in I guess different strokes for
different folks, and we all know that. But I think
if you're running a business and you're and it's not
just for me, it's not just my business. My industry
is is who I am. It's it's my love, you know.
(43:59):
And you think you have to think a little bit
broader and more globally about the effects from outside and
what is who do we look like?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Who are we?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And we have to evolve as well, and that's growth,
that's just growth.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I can talk to you forever. But these podcasts, they don't.
I don't want to do like forty minutes, fifty minutes.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
To come back on. You just have to come back on.
I just this was delightful. Thank you so much for
sharing the history of that.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Thank you, thank you for having having me and for
allowing me to share, you know, some of my own
little history. I don't get to share it very much.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
No, you're a groundbreaker. Hello girl, you're a groundbreaker. Please
come on. Oh, like, that's what we have to We
have to we have to support our groundbreakers and people
who who have a vision.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
That's it. I think you're like me. We love this industry.
I love I love his industry. I know you do.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I know you do. It's it's clearly obvious that you do,
which is why I'm so honored that you've invited me
thank you.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
So much, my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So folks, I'll put it in the description of course below,
but I want her just to say it out loud.
Where can they find you if they want to follow
you in your business?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Certainly? So my website is the Virtual Professional Organizer dot com.
And uh, how did you get that?
Speaker 3 (45:16):
No one else had it?
Speaker 1 (45:17):
No, no nobody else had it.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
That's that's like, I mean, a super organizer. No one
had it.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I'm like it also the virtual right, I'm the super organizer,
so you know, I get it, but just kind of
I still thought someone would have it. But it's like,
so fight don't add it.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Nope, nope, And I don't think that that was exactly
you know, a happenstance either, of course.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, of course, of course, no coincidences.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
We don't believe that's it's all coincidences, right, So that's
so be reached that way. I'm on LinkedIn and Facebook
as well.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
So I'll put it, put it below, put it all
there below, and.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
If there's curious, anybody has curiosity and what question? And
I'm certainly happy to speak to anybody who and if.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
You're nervous about it, you can come to me and
I'll make introduction.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Need some people will need another person in between, right,
So I always all tell any of my guests, I'm like,
you want to talk to any of them, and you're
curiously you have questions when they just a little ur out.
I know for some people that's that's that's paralyzing. For
some people, come to me, you know me, James Junior.
Come to me and I'll make the introductions. How's that
I want? I want no one to feel like there's
(46:29):
a block at all.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
No no, no, no, no, no nope.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Organizers here every Monday. That's me here Monday. I'm here
on Mondays. Also, I'm hired to you a lot of
help dot com super organizer. Our show is on all
those stream service platforms you can think of. Audio. We're
on YouTube and jail Ja Media. The super organizers work
on his show are on Facebook and x and blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Everything I got. My blog is a lot of help.
I find a blog post Monay through Friday to all.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Kids and I have some books, so I'm going to
Amazon and type in who organize their books.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Take those out. Folks. Have a great week, and when
I touch you next time, I'll be a year older. Bye,
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