June 16, 2025 • 38 mins
As a former marketing professional with a fashion background, Elyse brings a unique blend of practicality and style to the world of home organizing. She understands the need for functional systems that streamline your daily life, while also believing that an organized home should be inspiring, reflect your personal style, and be your family’s haven. https://discovertheorganizedway.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Come, Welcome, Welcome. It's Monday, June sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
Can't believe it was June sixteenth, twenty twenty five. It's
the SPECS Show with James L.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Junior.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I am James Loginia's super organizer sry tenth season. As
you know, we celebrated two weeks ago my ten years
on the air, where I started out on radio, then
went to a podcast network, and now it's on me
and here on JAILJ Media and I'm so happy. And
only reasons why I do these shows because I get
to talk to amazing people in my industry. I love
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organizing ains. You guys know, I can talk about it
all day long, and I do sometimes by some preeople
on And this person, she's bright, talent, ted smirt. See
I I'm gonna read her bio of it. She gotta
tell me a little bios. I want to read it
as a former marketing professional with a fashion background, which
I like that fashion ad marketing be like that. She
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brings a unique brand of practicality and style to the
world of horm organizing because it's not just about putting
stuff away and making a match of stuff, but we
also making like Wuitty too at the same time, and
functional if you have too, And she says, I understand
the need for functional systems. That's streamlining daily life very important.
And also she wants to inspire, so you know, as
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you're organizing, there's my inspiration when it comes to that.
And we're gonna talk to her about how she came
to the business, what she does in the business. She's
the founder of the Organized Way, and I'm excited to
have her on at least Metsica I at least, so
something that you do, we all come to. Everybody comes
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as profession from somewhere else. It's almost like, hopefully one
day and maybe it's gonna start happening where folks grow
up and want to be an organizer. We didn't have
that when we were growing up. I just wasn't a
profession to have to think about. So I'm hoping one
day that happens. We were like, when I grow up,
I want to be an organizer. Great, most of us
up to this point come from another professor, another or
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a reason. And you actually mentioned I didn't read this,
but in your background you mentioned losing your mother and grandmother,
So how does that correlate with you coming into the business.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So so it's something it runs really deep.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
My mom was so organized.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I just remember the home being so organized and it
wasn't like fancy or anything. It was just everything had
a home, and it made me feel safe and like,
you know, know what's happening, know where everything is.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
And when I lost her, when I was twelve, I
lived with.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
My Grammy, her mom, and she was the same and
so I learned a lot from my grandmother, you know,
being an old school like Grammy.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I call her Grammy. She taught me so much about
the home.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
She taught me, you know, how to stay organized, where
to put things in the kitchen, you know, just how
to manage a home. And when she passed away, my grandmother,
when I was going through her boxes, I found stuff
from her mom, and she like the way that the
boxes were packed, were like so organized, and it was
and this was after I started my business, and I
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was going through the boxes and I just realized, Wow,
three generations before me are organizers. And like there's a
lot of my other family members or just my brothers
the same organized and it's like, wow, I come from
a family of organized people. And so it's a way
to carry on their memory, like just doing what I
do every day, doing what I love and so and
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sharing it with other people.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's almost like you really did come from a family organizers.
You though they weren't professional organizers, they were organizers running
a home, which to me, I was calling people house managers.
I changed the words from housewife to house manager. I
mean it's a lot to handle, right, and because it
comes to running a home and children all that stuff.
But you literally came from like you just you guys
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just say you grew up with people who are organized
in your in your in your lineage. I wonder if
there's some part of that why you and your brother
are organized. I wonder if there's some kind of truth
to that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, I always wonder, like if there's like an organized gene.
I don't think there is. I think it's habits and
you learn it. But I just I learned it from them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I know, I you know, I'm you know.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I guess actually I expect this discussion, but I I My.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Thought is.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Everybody's brains are wired differently. The brain is very complex
and well you know I both know that, and as
we work with clients and so very I mean, there's
no one, No two clients are the same right, very different.
But I wonder I'm left handed, so I I think,
I know, I think a little differently than right hand
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people do, and I read other left hand people we do.
We kind of we see the world little differently just
because we have to our brains. I'm not sure if
it's two that were more creative right like that it's
the right way and the other whole thing there, But
I think there's something in there. So I wonder when
it comes to people who get the organized way, the
organized way, thank you, I'll do this organized way naturally
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versus those because it's gonna be talk to anybody that
I'm with you that that's a while. I I'm just
curious if someone who if your family comes from people
who are naturally organized, and then they see the organization
and not go the other direction they horders. They actually
I come from a family of horders.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But your family was all organized, you saw it? Did
it unlock something that was already in there? For I
just want just want one was kind of skined of why.
I was just wondering about your maybe your thoughts. I don't
know I'm like, Ki, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I know, I think, I I just I wonder that too.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I just I think that I just did what did
what my mom did, and just learned from it and
just you know, the habits we pick up on our habits.
My son is the same way. I see him like
putting away things, and I'm like, oh, this is probably
what I was like when I was a child. But
then I meet people like you who came from a
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different household when they grew up, and they're like the opposite,
and they are they are organized because they know, you know,
the consequences of not being you know, not having order
in their life.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
So I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I don't know because I don't I don't know if
I've actually ever met any organizer that's like, or anybody
who's like, I'm a mess.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I came from an organized home, but I'm a mess.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I think it's just like a positive habit to pick up.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And you know, people who like you, grew up and
like a not as orderly home. Then you're like, you
feel like you need to get an order, so you
learn it. You see what can happen if if you're
not organized.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Or you know, yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I come from you like my my grandparents or hoarders.
My mother's a hoarder, my daughter's a hoarder. They're all
they They just get interested that none of them are
organized and I and I'm the only one in the middle.
And it's funny. My brother I live with is has tendencies.
I help him keep him in check because I'm like,
it's not happening at my house. So and he's happy,
and he's happy about that. He's like, you're good. I
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keep him in check.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
He goes.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I lean towards like our mother. I'm like, I know,
but we refuse to have it happened. But I know,
for me, I hate not being able to move around
the houses. I hated tripping on things, hate not finding stuff.
And I think so I went the total opposite of them.
It was like, I can't live like this. I just can't.
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So I don't you know if they if they were,
But I have friends who did come from organized homes
who are the opposite because it's too much control issue
for them.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, Like I'm not going to clean that overthing. I've
lived there for a couple of days. I'm like, no, no,
just think overnight. We don't do that. I gains certain
things I just don't do. I make my bed every day,
the things that I do because I like it now.
But you said you said something earlier though. That is
so true. You said you felt good when your mother
and grandmother were organizing stuff. I'm assuming feeling has a
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lot to do with the two rights you think in
your practice.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And it's both for me personally and my clients. I
see it over and over again, you know, no matter
what type of project it is, it's the way that
you feel. And you know, having my mom die young
and then having to move like shift, you know, when
I was younger, actually being organized helped me. It was
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like a coping mechanism. It just makes you feel like
we all kind of especially like women managing homes. We want,
I like feel like we have it together and like
we can enjoy our lives but still manage, you know,
the everything else that's happening.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And it's a feeling. You feel good when you know.
People want to.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
They they feel good when they know what they're getting,
you know, like routines humans are just that way.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I see it with my clients too.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You literally can see like tense, you know, like or
like nervous when we come over, like oh my gosh,
you know this, this is the worst you've seen, or
you know it's so bad, and they try to clean
up before you come, and it's like no, no, we're
here to help, you know, And it's it doesn't have
to be a certain way. It just depends on this
certain on the client, what their goals are. And then
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we leave and you just feel you just see them
like like just feel better because you're not like holding
onto these these things and these challenges, and you feel
better in your space.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I I love when a client, as you're transfer, as
you're helping them transform, when you start to see their
shoulders go down, you start to see them not sigh
as much you starting because it is a feeling, and
I guess I say it's a bit of a long time.
I I just you do feel better when things are organized,
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they're in place, and they really just really I it
sounds kind of small toy for some people, but I
tell people it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I mean, I've been doing this seventeen years. I know it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I mean, my own life longer than that. I know,
but I'm saying I know, And what you're saying I
agree with is like it's when you when you know
you can go somewhere and find something. The energy of
having the energy of not knowing what the scissors are.
We always use scissors. An example, right where the scissors
are and you're cutting yourself out because you can't find them.
You need Oh, you just want to cut this little,
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one little thing and you can't cut one little thing.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You can't find the physicist.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But you know what happens afterwards, at least after you
don't need Ziska.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They pop up.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You're like, I was looking for you, like for five
hours the other day, and then you're sitting right in
front of you.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, you know. So what kind of organizing do you
do for business?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I do a lot of I'm my focus is
home organizing, So I organize, help families organize pantries.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Kitchens, bedrooms, bathrooms.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And then we also help move when you're moving, we
can help declutter before the move, prep for the move.
I've had a lot of projects like that lately, you know,
prepping your home for a sale so people can see
the home and just you know, not like if just
to prep the home for the sale, we.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Pack, unpack, get you settled.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know we had we can do like put everything away,
label everything, or we can just put it away in
an organized manner.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You know, it goes when you move.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's like if you pack organized, then it's quicker to
unpack and get settled.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
And so yeah, I tuggled that all the time when
you when you move, organize, Trust me. Yeah at first
you're like, oh my goodness. In the end you're so happy.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It is totally worth it. I totally worth it. How
do you find your clientele.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Referrals? A lot of referrals.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, I want to talk about that for a second,
because I was. I did a blog post recently about that.
I said, do not crap on word of mouth. I
think people nowadays will to say, well, you said, just
you know, you say you have your on social media
and I know that you have this stuff we're promoting.
Is fine, But I'm telling you I was like, word
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of mouth and referrals are everything. That's not even some
of my business at least the last seventeen years. Yeah, going,
I know this guy, you know I used to hire
this guy, or I don't. I mean, like seriously, I
mean that's kind of so you're saying you found the
same thing as more of you work with someone they
prefer to someone else, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I work with a lot of like real estate
agents and designers, so they're already you know, those clients
are already in that space in their home, and so
they just need a little extra help. So and I
love my clients. I love all of the clients that.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I work with.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What how large of an area do you work? They're
like where you live there, you're like five ten miles
fifty Like how do you navigate that space too? Because
people at homeways ask me, well, how far do you work?
Or and we all have friends or organizers and bureau
places I go. I don't go to the for me,
I to go to the valley. So I have friends
out there and go to the valley and I pass
it on to them. Or I don't go to San
Diego necessarily unless it's a really good job. I don't
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go down the air like I live in a certain
space I just wonder for you, how does that work
for you?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I would say probably, I don't I majority it's probably
like ten to twenty miles just in North County, San Diego.
So I'll go to Orange County sometimes I'll have a
couple of jobs there and then a couple jobs in
San Diego, like more down south. But it's time consuming,
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you know, when you have to drive. You know, projects
can last you know, a day to a couple days,
and then you know, if we're doing like one big day,
I don't mind driving, but it gets to be a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I know, I do.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Hey, you know, yes, I do know.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I know exactly, And folks at home, if you guys
will know this, I actually speaking of doing a fun project.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I spoke at n APO San Diego. I had a
great time. I had a wonderful time with all the ladies.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
We had a good time, and some gentlemen new were
cole guys there had a great time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
My presentation. I had a good time and.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I didn't mind going down there for that and that
was fat And I want to say there's a lot
of great organizers down there in that area. So if
you're watching from that area and the Apartsres County. They
are not farm of San Diegoes. You know, they're not
far I mean, but like a little northeast or northeast
or northwest, like oh right there, he's not that best
on that man. So there's a lot of great folks
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like at least down there for sure. When did you
realize you want to do this as a business?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So I was it was in twenty nineteen. My son
was born in twenty eighteen, so he was a little baby,
and I was like, really gung ho on going back.
I was in marketing at the time. I was like,
I'm going to go back to work. I can't just sit.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Around all day and take care of my baby.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But it was before I had it was before it
was before I had a child, and that I had
my baby, and I was going into the office every
day and I'm like, this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Like I wanted to have a more flexible schedule. And
so I kept thinking, you know when you hear like
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
What will keep you happy and life is doing your
passion like who cares about the money or you know,
like I so I kept thinking, like what do I do?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
What am I passionate about, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And I was literally like I was making my bed
and I'm like, I could organize, Like that is something
that I could always I enjoy doing, Like on my
free time, I will be organizing my closet, you know,
like it's I help people organize. And so I looked
it up online and I'm like, you know, organizer, and
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I saw a NAPO and I saw other organizers.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
This was in yeah, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And I talked to my husband and you know, some
of my friends and they were like, it's a great idea.
And so I quit my job in marketing February of
twenty twenty. And then March of twenty twenty, everything shut
down and.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm like, cool, I'm not going into anyone's homes.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You you start, Oh my god, it was you started
right then everything shut down and me, it's a long time.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I'm going.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
All the clients canceled, everything dried up. It was like
because well and I don't here in LA was it
was mandatory lockdown, So we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You got to be like a what he calls the workers.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like mandatory there's another word for it, and it's gonna
be one of the considered one of those to go
to work and seldom got it because they were movers.
So they said, with so many people like that, But
for me, it was like, but you just started, you
literally going, I went changed my life and your baby's
like two years old high by then, and he was saying,
I have a good time, and it's like everything shut.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Down and I had no job.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So what did you do?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Like, how did you you're obviously a business happen. I mean,
what did you do when that happened?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
You know what I did? I so I went crazy
on my house and then I started doing.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
We all did we were all? We too? I did too.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I know that was a crazy time.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But I started doing virtual sessions for like my friends
and family members and kind of like starting with that,
and I listened to like courses and stuff like that,
but I don't once start. Once things started opening up,
like when you could wear the masks and everything, we
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I was able to go into people's homes, but I
started with the virtual sessions, which was harder to do
because I was just starting.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But I mean it was okay, It just took a
little It was a slow start.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
That's actually I can say. At least that's scary. I
guess I can say this for the show. You're the
first guest and the tenures of the show who started
out virtual that went to in person. I've never had
that before. I've never had the I've had the opposite.
I've never had a lot of the obbors, clearly when
the pandemic yet. But no, I've never asked when you're
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like I'm about to start, like really get into it.
And then you had to figure it out. So I'm
very I'm very proud of you. You got to actually
that you had to. You figured it out, you pivoted,
you have, you figured it out. And virtual is it's
a different animal, it's a whole it else depends on
the client. It's all different thing. But what did you
take away from that virtual experience though?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Doing that for you?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Uh So I realized that it is a different client.
People who hire you to come into the home are
different clients than from wanting to do it themselves, because
when you're on virtual, you need to do it yourself
and it's just more of consulting and you know, helping out.
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But there are those clients and also that just the
importance I guess of just being needing support, I guess,
and like both clients, people need different like support as
levels of like organization. Some people just have no idea.
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Some people just need a little bit of help, and
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Wherever you are, you know, we can help you.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But now I do do virtual sessions, like I just
actually started doing virtual sessions again because as I realized
being in the homes of my customers clients, they are
asking me questions and you know, just need like what
do I do with this little closet, And I can
just say, okay, you know, put this here, use it
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for this, and then I'll send them a few products
and they can do it themselves.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
They can set it up themselves. So I am offering
virtual sessions.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Now folks diversity. She can come to your house or
talk to them on a zoom or a FaceTime or whatever.
So that's that's really good. And I always trying to
tell people it's so the folks should watch this go on.
I could never do that's going on. It's okay because
it is. There's certain levels to this and just some
folks are more self starter and they actually physically can
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do it themselves. They just need help on what to do.
Others some as they can't do it physically. Maybe you
can't physically do yourself. Maybe it's just overwhelming. So so
like at least said it's okay where you are, and
but if you want to try version, you always try it,
call our try it, don't try a session with it
and see if it does. But maybe it works for you,
maybe it doesn't. But I think it's okay that there's
different kind of just levels of what people can can do.
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Nothing just don't feel bad for you. So folks that
don'tn't feel.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Bad, you can't. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But when's just so twenty say, yeah, this is a
very unique story. So you start, So you started twenty
nineteen before we have this global pandemic. You're in a pandemic.
You're doing it when I don't forbid for This is
the business part now, So for folks who get in business,
it took me about four or five years before my
siety real profits. If I saw real like, oh okay,
this is good. But I thought was good when I
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was doing it. But like I was like, okay, now
it's so we're.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Coming out of this whole crazy period. Are you there?
You started to see kind of like sort of returns.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yes, actually this year, so my this is my sixth year,
and so it's very exciting. And it took me a
long time to figure it out because you need to
figure out your clientele. Like I always thought, like, Okay,
I'm great for downsizing. I do do downsizing, but you know,
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it's not for those like super you know, older.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I don't want to say it, like I worked with
more geriatric folks.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I wor folks sixteen, yes, and and I'm like, I
love my grammy.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I loved helping our organize, and it's just it's it
wasn't a good like match for me. So my client
tele they're busy families like and I have a seven
year old like, and so I'm like I am in
that stage of my life and so that those clients are,
you know, they're just too busy to do it themselves.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
They have like, you know, kids and all of these things,
and so it takes a while.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To find out your clients, you know, and just running
a business like I love, I come from marketing, and
so I'm like always wanting to do marketing and I'm.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Like, no, no, I have to be like doing other things.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And you know, and then having a team, like if
you have a big job and you can't do it
on your own, like you need to find people that
you know have the same values and you know your
clients expect.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
The same thing.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's like so many things to think about. But finally
I'm like, oh, yeah, this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I'm going to do more of it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And that's that really describe it perfectly. And there's a folks,
there's a lot of I always say, being an entrepreneur,
I guess what we are, solopreneur, entrepreneur, mom, whatever works.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Want to use.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
But you're a business owner and this is a business
and I don't have the core. We just want to organize.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm sure like you love what I love. We just
want to we just want to help people. This is
a business. And that's what I wish someone had told
me in the beginning a little more emphasized that a
little more to me. I mean, I wasn't like a
win in not noise of business, but I just I
just wish somebody said, James, there are there's you may
have to you may have to schedule a day where
it's all paperwork or you know, are things you just
have to kind of you know, a couple of times
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a year. Like there's there's certain things that comes to
taxes and there's like there's just certain things that you
have to do. Contracts, make sure the contracts are updated,
make sure your agreements are updated.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like it's a lot of little things.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
What happens you know with all that stuff, it's like
scheduling all that's because you have a regular life too,
see you know what I'm talking about, And like you
have regular life also, and you're like, luckily, but I'm
a grandfather, so my kids are all grown, but still scheduling.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The grandparent time. It's my kids.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But like or if you're dating or just like I like,
it's like there's a somebody just kind of eversides to James.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And you have fun. At least you have a good time.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You loved what you do, I would say, But just
know that there's a lot there's there's there's office work,
so a speaker, back end and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
What do you what do you? What are your thoughts
about that? About that?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I completely one thousand percent agree with you because I
enjoy doing like organizing.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
That's why I am in this business.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I love it, but I just you get caught up
in it and and I'm like, oh my gosh, im
like keeping track of your expenses.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
The worst, Like I I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Know, like and you think you're an organized person like I.
I guess I'm somewhat organized in the business, but like
things are changing.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's just so much in my head about the actual business.
It's just like wild. So I just focus on like booking,
you know, projects and work on them all things.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
A little house you can hire, question you have if
you have the money, you can hire people to do
bookkeeping and stuff like that. Of course not there, but
I'm just saying that. I think it's one of those things.
I I come from the Oprah school of thoughts. I
want to make sure I know everything that's going on,
like touch everything. Whether you're doing it fully or that's
one thing, but at least as an owner, we should
know everything that's.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Kind of going on. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I can't agree with that very much, but congratulations on
that that you're that's happening there. What would you tell
people on the client side if they're thinking about they're
they're disorganized or unorganized or whatever. Attectives you want to use.
I know there's diger differences, but I'm just saying you're
sitting in your house or your office, or your garage
(26:44):
or your boat house or wherever you are. I need
just I need I just I need help, But I
don't know if I should or afraid to. What would
you say to those people if you had a chance of,
like if you had an audience, talk to them, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So when I'm organizing and the advice that I give,
I think I align it with life advice. So you know,
if you're like, I don't know if I should do this,
I'm embarrassed, or I don't know what's going to happen,
or I don't need you know, just all those crazy
thoughts that go through your head. What would you like
(27:20):
tell your friend who wanted to start their own business,
or you know, wanted to try like skydiving, or you know,
just something, Just go for it. It's going to improve
your life. And there's so many different organizers out there,
and you will connect with one that will help you
(27:43):
no matter what your needs are. If you're like needing
a ton of organization or a little bit, there's somebody
out there for you to help you and even like
a little tweak to your daily's life, it will make
it so much better, you know, and you'll feel so
much better. It's like a therapy, you know. It's it's
really it's it's self care. Being organized is self care.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So you know what you know that was That was
my whole thing. I believe that I'm glad you said
the word and that I'm going to just mention this
a little bit. You mentioned embarrassment and I and I
want all these shows that I do, all the appearances
I do, my Jimmy Kimmel appearance, everything I do is
about taking away the shame and thet you're feeling. I
(28:28):
think people at home, if you're sitting here washing, I
know they guys watched my shows and some of you
could be disorganized or order tendencies or whatever you want
to call it, pack raps or words you use it yourself.
Don't be embarrassed. There are so many great organizers who
are not here to judge you. Right, We're not here
to judge. We're just here to help. I want to
(28:50):
do and I'm trying to break that you had least.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah, I agree. I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
As an organizer, and I've been you know, I mean
you've been doing it longer. But you just go into
people's homes and it's just I love being inside of
people's homes. Like even I don't, like, I don't I'm
not going into somebody's home.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
And thinking, oh my gosh, why do they have that
in there? Like or like that's weird, or you know,
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm like fascinated and some and even in people's homes,
in every client's home that I go into or space,
I always take away something that I learn, a positive
thing that I learned from them, like oh they do
this this way, that's cool, like I've never seen that,
or or I find like a treasure you know that
I've never seen.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Before, and it's just awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You learn about people and you make connections with your
clients and it's it's nothing. You know, if whatever organizer comes,
you know, it's it's a it's a positive thing and
there's I know it's hard to think like oh, I'm
I'm shameful of my space or I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
But you don't have to be.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
This is what we do. We're here for that.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, you hire a plumber when your pipes a miss it.
You hire a gardener when your garden is the weeds
are too big. You hire electrician when the light gets busted.
You can't get a good socking thing. I mean, that's
it's the same thing. It's just it's we're like all
those we're all those people. You hire a housekeeper clean
your house. I mean, it's like, it's all it's a service.
And I keep trying. That's nothing. I try to do
(30:24):
this podcast. I know it's a service. And for those
who I know, there's a lot of pride. And maybe
you can talk about this a little bit if you
run across it. I know there's a lot of pride.
It comes to.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
House management. They you know, they don't stole terms stay
at home.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Mine's the house stay at home mom, So I don't
have the terminology anymore, but just house house management. You're
a mother or is my father in some cases, and
you're at home taking care of anything. Just pride in
Am I doing it correctly? Am I doing it all?
And what do you say to them? What do you
say those people?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
You know what, no matter I've been in really nice homes,
like beautiful homes and a home can be beautiful, but
you know it's the way that you it's a beautiful
So I let me start over. A beautiful home is
(31:24):
being lived in. It's not like a sterile home like
I you know, as long as you can go into
a home and it's like it feels like a home.
It doesn't have to look perfect. And being organized is
not perfect if you have a system that works for you.
(31:46):
And again, it's the way that you feel.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Like if you walk in.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Your home and you're like, okay, I know I have
a system for this, I know where this is, this is,
my kids are fine, whatever, then you're organized like it's not.
And I've been in so many homes and nobody's home
is like sterile, perfect and nobody keeps it that way.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I agree. And I've worked with celebrities and the same thing.
It's not.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's not it's it's just I agree with you one
thousand percentlings on that. Yes, And but we know that
maybe you have pride and maybe embarrassed. Can you think
you're not doing well? I was like, no, it's not
it right, it's not it. Life is busy. You have
more than even having one child. I had two daughters,
but eybe hanging. One child is gonna be to be busy.
(32:32):
But if you have more than that, and you're trying
to eat their schedules. And both my daughters were in sports,
they were in dance, they're both in the clubs.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And they did everything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And trying to navigate that girlfriend, it's a lot. I'm
a grandfather and now I'm trying to navi get the
grandchildren's stuf. I got five of them. I'm like, who
has what?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Doesn't hear? And I'm like, can Papa Jamie go to
this one? I'm like, it's you, I mean. And time
goes by so fast.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It's like forget about it. And I I tell myself
that I'm an organizer. I'm a perfectionist. I like things
to be like, you know, look a certain way. And
I just remind myself, like, because I have a lot
of pride in my home, I'm a home organizer, and
I'm always like, okay, if somebody's coming over, like I
have to put the things away, and I do, but
(33:21):
but I have given myself the the you know, the okay,
like it's okay, we live in this home and there's
going to be stuff out like we live here, we're like.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Hanging out here. We can't have everything put away like
things can be out, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You're like it's taking it's taking over my life, like
you know, the bins and things not really anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But that's the pride thing.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like if there's anybody that like has more pride, it's
a home organizer that like manages a home. But I
allow it because you know, my son isn't going to
be seven, He's going to be like thirties Sunday with kids.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I'm going to be the grandma, you know, like, and
I want I want to live in my house and
enjoy it and not obsessed with putting things away.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's all I'm chuckling because I think I like a house.
That's nice, but I wanted we lived in I mean,
that's how we live. It's what we were here and
so that's what we're here for. And I'm paying this
mortgage to live in my house. Yeah, I didn't live
in my house. That's out of the whole points. That's
why I'm here.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
As we wrap up, and I love I love all
your answers. Now I just want to talk to our
brethren our fellow organizers and your business six years, What
would like to say to people who are joining.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Our profession now, who are joining it, anything you want
to say to them.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It's a great time to join because there are a
lot of seasoned organizers like you, and you give it's
it's needed, it's and it's a really fulfilling, fulfilling thing
to do, like I love it, and it's a really
good decision. And then what maybe like some business advice,
(35:07):
just don't don't don't like be too hard on yourself,
because when you're starting any business, it's really hard.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
And like my life is like a roller.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Coaster my feelings because one day you're up and you're like,
I'm doing so awesome, and then one day like, oh
that was I shouldn't be doing this all. Sometimes I'm like,
oh my gosh, I got to go back to marketing.
I'm like looking at marketing jobs. Can somebody just hire me?
But no, it's it's worth it, It's really worth it.
But don't be too hard on yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I always do thanks and gratitude, and I just want
to say, I think gratitude to you for coming on
the show, of course, and being so friendly to me.
I want to thank everybody at Maple and San Diego.
I made a lot of new friends and they're all
just so wonderful and great. Uh. And it's also and
also just all our clients. It's our big it's feast
her famine sometimes and she just metates you just mentioned
(36:04):
and you're like.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, I got red, I got mortgaged next month. I love.
But it always comes through because we are here to help.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And seriously, and I and I I think every person
who hires one of us, uh, and not just tuss
everybody in my business. I mean there's so many wonderful
people out there. Seriously, I mean there are who are
ready to help you. So I live in grat you
for someone making that decision for themselves to hire an organizer.
And you should trust me, you will not be sorry.
(36:32):
We are we are, we are a good bunch. And
now it's time for at least to do her marketing.
Where can they find you? Your website? Where you where
you is online?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
So it's it's a long website. It's a long website.
The organized way was taken, so it's discover the organized way.
And then I'm also on Instagram the organized way Elise Metzker.
So I'm usually on Instagram in YouTube.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So now put those leaks in the description blue for
you guys to go follow her. Follow her and to
James sent you thanks a list for being on the show.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Thank you, James, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
It was fun my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So folks, you follow me the super organizers on all
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Today's blog is on jen Beta and will they be
(37:32):
organized or not? Well, I said, it's a very that's
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look at when it comes to collecting items. It's changing, folks,
it's changing. That's out now. So I have a blog
every day, James lot Junior everywhere on TikTok a TikTok star,
I'm everywhere. I'm all over the place talking about organizing
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(37:55):
that out there, and I'm also hired. You feel Los
Angeles area and you want to, like, just meet me
and say hi and pay me of.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Course, all that.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I'm here. Of course, super Organizer is here for you
to help you. She's there to help you also. Everyone,
thank you so much for watching. We're here on Mondays.
Every Monday, I do a show ten years running. And
we'll see you next time.
Come, Welcome, Welcome. It's Monday, June sixteenth, twenty twenty five.
Can't believe it was June sixteenth, twenty twenty five. It's
the SPECS Show with James L.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Junior.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I am James Loginia's super organizer sry tenth season. As
you know, we celebrated two weeks ago my ten years
on the air, where I started out on radio, then
went to a podcast network, and now it's on me
and here on JAILJ Media and I'm so happy. And
only reasons why I do these shows because I get
to talk to amazing people in my industry. I love
(00:35):
organizing ains. You guys know, I can talk about it
all day long, and I do sometimes by some preeople
on And this person, she's bright, talent, ted smirt. See
I I'm gonna read her bio of it. She gotta
tell me a little bios. I want to read it
as a former marketing professional with a fashion background, which
I like that fashion ad marketing be like that. She
(00:57):
brings a unique brand of practicality and style to the
world of horm organizing because it's not just about putting
stuff away and making a match of stuff, but we
also making like Wuitty too at the same time, and
functional if you have too, And she says, I understand
the need for functional systems. That's streamlining daily life very important.
And also she wants to inspire, so you know, as
(01:19):
you're organizing, there's my inspiration when it comes to that.
And we're gonna talk to her about how she came
to the business, what she does in the business. She's
the founder of the Organized Way, and I'm excited to
have her on at least Metsica I at least, so
something that you do, we all come to. Everybody comes
(01:41):
as profession from somewhere else. It's almost like, hopefully one
day and maybe it's gonna start happening where folks grow
up and want to be an organizer. We didn't have
that when we were growing up. I just wasn't a
profession to have to think about. So I'm hoping one
day that happens. We were like, when I grow up,
I want to be an organizer. Great, most of us
up to this point come from another professor, another or
(02:03):
a reason. And you actually mentioned I didn't read this,
but in your background you mentioned losing your mother and grandmother,
So how does that correlate with you coming into the business.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So so it's something it runs really deep.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
My mom was so organized.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I just remember the home being so organized and it
wasn't like fancy or anything. It was just everything had
a home, and it made me feel safe and like,
you know, know what's happening, know where everything is.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
And when I lost her, when I was twelve, I
lived with.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
My Grammy, her mom, and she was the same and
so I learned a lot from my grandmother, you know,
being an old school like Grammy.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I call her Grammy. She taught me so much about
the home.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
She taught me, you know, how to stay organized, where
to put things in the kitchen, you know, just how
to manage a home. And when she passed away, my grandmother,
when I was going through her boxes, I found stuff
from her mom, and she like the way that the
boxes were packed, were like so organized, and it was
and this was after I started my business, and I
(03:15):
was going through the boxes and I just realized, Wow,
three generations before me are organizers. And like there's a
lot of my other family members or just my brothers
the same organized and it's like, wow, I come from
a family of organized people. And so it's a way
to carry on their memory, like just doing what I
do every day, doing what I love and so and
(03:37):
sharing it with other people.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's almost like you really did come from a family organizers.
You though they weren't professional organizers, they were organizers running
a home, which to me, I was calling people house managers.
I changed the words from housewife to house manager. I
mean it's a lot to handle, right, and because it
comes to running a home and children all that stuff.
But you literally came from like you just you guys
(04:00):
just say you grew up with people who are organized
in your in your in your lineage. I wonder if
there's some part of that why you and your brother
are organized. I wonder if there's some kind of truth
to that.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, I always wonder, like if there's like an organized gene.
I don't think there is. I think it's habits and
you learn it. But I just I learned it from them.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I know, I you know, I'm you know.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I guess actually I expect this discussion, but I I My.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Thought is.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Everybody's brains are wired differently. The brain is very complex
and well you know I both know that, and as
we work with clients and so very I mean, there's
no one, No two clients are the same right, very different.
But I wonder I'm left handed, so I I think,
I know, I think a little differently than right hand
(04:51):
people do, and I read other left hand people we do.
We kind of we see the world little differently just
because we have to our brains. I'm not sure if
it's two that were more creative right like that it's
the right way and the other whole thing there, But
I think there's something in there. So I wonder when
it comes to people who get the organized way, the
organized way, thank you, I'll do this organized way naturally
(05:18):
versus those because it's gonna be talk to anybody that
I'm with you that that's a while. I I'm just
curious if someone who if your family comes from people
who are naturally organized, and then they see the organization
and not go the other direction they horders. They actually
I come from a family of horders.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But your family was all organized, you saw it? Did
it unlock something that was already in there? For I
just want just want one was kind of skined of why.
I was just wondering about your maybe your thoughts. I don't
know I'm like, Ki, it's.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I know, I think, I I just I wonder that too.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I just I think that I just did what did
what my mom did, and just learned from it and
just you know, the habits we pick up on our habits.
My son is the same way. I see him like
putting away things, and I'm like, oh, this is probably
what I was like when I was a child. But
then I meet people like you who came from a
(06:15):
different household when they grew up, and they're like the opposite,
and they are they are organized because they know, you know,
the consequences of not being you know, not having order
in their life.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
So I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I don't know because I don't I don't know if
I've actually ever met any organizer that's like, or anybody
who's like, I'm a mess.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
I came from an organized home, but I'm a mess.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I think it's just like a positive habit to pick up.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And you know, people who like you, grew up and
like a not as orderly home. Then you're like, you
feel like you need to get an order, so you
learn it. You see what can happen if if you're
not organized.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Or you know, yeah, very true.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I come from you like my my grandparents or hoarders.
My mother's a hoarder, my daughter's a hoarder. They're all
they They just get interested that none of them are
organized and I and I'm the only one in the middle.
And it's funny. My brother I live with is has tendencies.
I help him keep him in check because I'm like,
it's not happening at my house. So and he's happy,
and he's happy about that. He's like, you're good. I
(07:23):
keep him in check.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
He goes.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I lean towards like our mother. I'm like, I know,
but we refuse to have it happened. But I know,
for me, I hate not being able to move around
the houses. I hated tripping on things, hate not finding stuff.
And I think so I went the total opposite of them.
It was like, I can't live like this. I just can't.
(07:47):
So I don't you know if they if they were,
But I have friends who did come from organized homes
who are the opposite because it's too much control issue
for them.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, Like I'm not going to clean that overthing. I've
lived there for a couple of days. I'm like, no, no,
just think overnight. We don't do that. I gains certain
things I just don't do. I make my bed every day,
the things that I do because I like it now.
But you said you said something earlier though. That is
so true. You said you felt good when your mother
and grandmother were organizing stuff. I'm assuming feeling has a
(08:24):
lot to do with the two rights you think in
your practice.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And it's both for me personally and my clients. I
see it over and over again, you know, no matter
what type of project it is, it's the way that
you feel. And you know, having my mom die young
and then having to move like shift, you know, when
I was younger, actually being organized helped me. It was
(08:50):
like a coping mechanism. It just makes you feel like
we all kind of especially like women managing homes. We want,
I like feel like we have it together and like
we can enjoy our lives but still manage, you know,
the everything else that's happening.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And it's a feeling. You feel good when you know.
People want to.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
They they feel good when they know what they're getting,
you know, like routines humans are just that way.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I see it with my clients too.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
You literally can see like tense, you know, like or
like nervous when we come over, like oh my gosh,
you know this, this is the worst you've seen, or
you know it's so bad, and they try to clean
up before you come, and it's like no, no, we're
here to help, you know, And it's it doesn't have
to be a certain way. It just depends on this
certain on the client, what their goals are. And then
(09:44):
we leave and you just feel you just see them
like like just feel better because you're not like holding
onto these these things and these challenges, and you feel
better in your space.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I I love when a client, as you're transfer, as
you're helping them transform, when you start to see their
shoulders go down, you start to see them not sigh
as much you starting because it is a feeling, and
I guess I say it's a bit of a long time.
I I just you do feel better when things are organized,
(10:19):
they're in place, and they really just really I it
sounds kind of small toy for some people, but I
tell people it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I mean, I've been doing this seventeen years. I know it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I mean, my own life longer than that. I know,
but I'm saying I know, And what you're saying I
agree with is like it's when you when you know
you can go somewhere and find something. The energy of
having the energy of not knowing what the scissors are.
We always use scissors. An example, right where the scissors
are and you're cutting yourself out because you can't find them.
You need Oh, you just want to cut this little,
(10:52):
one little thing and you can't cut one little thing.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You can't find the physicist.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
But you know what happens afterwards, at least after you
don't need Ziska.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They pop up.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
You're like, I was looking for you, like for five
hours the other day, and then you're sitting right in
front of you.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, you know. So what kind of organizing do you
do for business?
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I do a lot of I'm my focus is
home organizing, So I organize, help families organize pantries.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Kitchens, bedrooms, bathrooms.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And then we also help move when you're moving, we
can help declutter before the move, prep for the move.
I've had a lot of projects like that lately, you know,
prepping your home for a sale so people can see
the home and just you know, not like if just
to prep the home for the sale, we.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Pack, unpack, get you settled.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You know we had we can do like put everything away,
label everything, or we can just put it away in
an organized manner.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You know, it goes when you move.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's like if you pack organized, then it's quicker to
unpack and get settled.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
And so yeah, I tuggled that all the time when
you when you move, organize, Trust me. Yeah at first
you're like, oh my goodness. In the end you're so happy.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Yeah, it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
It is totally worth it. I totally worth it. How
do you find your clientele.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Referrals? A lot of referrals.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, I want to talk about that for a second,
because I was. I did a blog post recently about that.
I said, do not crap on word of mouth. I
think people nowadays will to say, well, you said, just
you know, you say you have your on social media
and I know that you have this stuff we're promoting.
Is fine, But I'm telling you I was like, word
(12:59):
of mouth and referrals are everything. That's not even some
of my business at least the last seventeen years. Yeah, going,
I know this guy, you know I used to hire
this guy, or I don't. I mean, like seriously, I
mean that's kind of so you're saying you found the
same thing as more of you work with someone they
prefer to someone else, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I work with a lot of like real estate
agents and designers, so they're already you know, those clients
are already in that space in their home, and so
they just need a little extra help. So and I
love my clients. I love all of the clients that.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I work with.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
What how large of an area do you work? They're
like where you live there, you're like five ten miles
fifty Like how do you navigate that space too? Because
people at homeways ask me, well, how far do you work?
Or and we all have friends or organizers and bureau
places I go. I don't go to the for me,
I to go to the valley. So I have friends
out there and go to the valley and I pass
it on to them. Or I don't go to San
Diego necessarily unless it's a really good job. I don't
(14:00):
go down the air like I live in a certain
space I just wonder for you, how does that work
for you?
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I would say probably, I don't I majority it's probably
like ten to twenty miles just in North County, San Diego.
So I'll go to Orange County sometimes I'll have a
couple of jobs there and then a couple jobs in
San Diego, like more down south. But it's time consuming,
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you know, when you have to drive. You know, projects
can last you know, a day to a couple days,
and then you know, if we're doing like one big day,
I don't mind driving, but it gets to be a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I know, I do.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Hey, you know, yes, I do know.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I know exactly, And folks at home, if you guys
will know this, I actually speaking of doing a fun project.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I spoke at n APO San Diego. I had a
great time. I had a wonderful time with all the ladies.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
We had a good time, and some gentlemen new were
cole guys there had a great time.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
My presentation. I had a good time and.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I didn't mind going down there for that and that
was fat And I want to say there's a lot
of great organizers down there in that area. So if
you're watching from that area and the Apartsres County. They
are not farm of San Diegoes. You know, they're not
far I mean, but like a little northeast or northeast
or northwest, like oh right there, he's not that best
on that man. So there's a lot of great folks
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like at least down there for sure. When did you
realize you want to do this as a business?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
So I was it was in twenty nineteen. My son
was born in twenty eighteen, so he was a little baby,
and I was like, really gung ho on going back.
I was in marketing at the time. I was like,
I'm going to go back to work. I can't just sit.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Around all day and take care of my baby.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
But it was before I had it was before it
was before I had a child, and that I had
my baby, and I was going into the office every
day and I'm like, this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Like I wanted to have a more flexible schedule. And
so I kept thinking, you know when you hear like
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
What will keep you happy and life is doing your
passion like who cares about the money or you know,
like I so I kept thinking, like what do I do?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
What am I passionate about, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
And I was literally like I was making my bed
and I'm like, I could organize, Like that is something
that I could always I enjoy doing, Like on my
free time, I will be organizing my closet, you know,
like it's I help people organize. And so I looked
it up online and I'm like, you know, organizer, and
(16:40):
I saw a NAPO and I saw other organizers.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
This was in yeah, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And I talked to my husband and you know, some
of my friends and they were like, it's a great idea.
And so I quit my job in marketing February of
twenty twenty. And then March of twenty twenty, everything shut
down and.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I'm like, cool, I'm not going into anyone's homes.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You you start, Oh my god, it was you started
right then everything shut down and me, it's a long time.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I'm going.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
All the clients canceled, everything dried up. It was like
because well and I don't here in LA was it
was mandatory lockdown, So we couldn't.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
You got to be like a what he calls the workers.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Like mandatory there's another word for it, and it's gonna
be one of the considered one of those to go
to work and seldom got it because they were movers.
So they said, with so many people like that, But
for me, it was like, but you just started, you
literally going, I went changed my life and your baby's
like two years old high by then, and he was saying,
I have a good time, and it's like everything shut.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Down and I had no job.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
So what did you do?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Like, how did you you're obviously a business happen. I mean,
what did you do when that happened?
Speaker 4 (18:00):
You know what I did? I so I went crazy
on my house and then I started doing.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
We all did we were all? We too? I did too.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I know that was a crazy time.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But I started doing virtual sessions for like my friends
and family members and kind of like starting with that,
and I listened to like courses and stuff like that,
but I don't once start. Once things started opening up,
like when you could wear the masks and everything, we
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I was able to go into people's homes, but I
started with the virtual sessions, which was harder to do
because I was just starting.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
But I mean it was okay, It just took a
little It was a slow start.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
That's actually I can say. At least that's scary. I
guess I can say this for the show. You're the
first guest and the tenures of the show who started
out virtual that went to in person. I've never had
that before. I've never had the I've had the opposite.
I've never had a lot of the obbors, clearly when
the pandemic yet. But no, I've never asked when you're
(19:14):
like I'm about to start, like really get into it.
And then you had to figure it out. So I'm
very I'm very proud of you. You got to actually
that you had to. You figured it out, you pivoted,
you have, you figured it out. And virtual is it's
a different animal, it's a whole it else depends on
the client. It's all different thing. But what did you
take away from that virtual experience though?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Doing that for you?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Uh So I realized that it is a different client.
People who hire you to come into the home are
different clients than from wanting to do it themselves, because
when you're on virtual, you need to do it yourself
and it's just more of consulting and you know, helping out.
(19:54):
But there are those clients and also that just the
importance I guess of just being needing support, I guess,
and like both clients, people need different like support as
levels of like organization. Some people just have no idea.
(20:15):
Some people just need a little bit of help, and
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Wherever you are, you know, we can help you.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
But now I do do virtual sessions, like I just
actually started doing virtual sessions again because as I realized
being in the homes of my customers clients, they are
asking me questions and you know, just need like what
do I do with this little closet, And I can
just say, okay, you know, put this here, use it
(20:44):
for this, and then I'll send them a few products
and they can do it themselves.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
They can set it up themselves. So I am offering
virtual sessions.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Now folks diversity. She can come to your house or
talk to them on a zoom or a FaceTime or whatever.
So that's that's really good. And I always trying to
tell people it's so the folks should watch this go on.
I could never do that's going on. It's okay because
it is. There's certain levels to this and just some
folks are more self starter and they actually physically can
(21:15):
do it themselves. They just need help on what to do.
Others some as they can't do it physically. Maybe you
can't physically do yourself. Maybe it's just overwhelming. So so
like at least said it's okay where you are, and
but if you want to try version, you always try it,
call our try it, don't try a session with it
and see if it does. But maybe it works for you,
maybe it doesn't. But I think it's okay that there's
different kind of just levels of what people can can do.
(21:40):
Nothing just don't feel bad for you. So folks that
don'tn't feel.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Bad, you can't. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
But when's just so twenty say, yeah, this is a
very unique story. So you start, So you started twenty
nineteen before we have this global pandemic. You're in a pandemic.
You're doing it when I don't forbid for This is
the business part now, So for folks who get in business,
it took me about four or five years before my
siety real profits. If I saw real like, oh okay,
this is good. But I thought was good when I
(22:06):
was doing it. But like I was like, okay, now
it's so we're.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Coming out of this whole crazy period. Are you there?
You started to see kind of like sort of returns.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yes, actually this year, so my this is my sixth year,
and so it's very exciting. And it took me a
long time to figure it out because you need to
figure out your clientele. Like I always thought, like, Okay,
I'm great for downsizing. I do do downsizing, but you know,
(22:39):
it's not for those like super you know, older.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I don't want to say it, like I worked with
more geriatric folks.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
I wor folks sixteen, yes, and and I'm like, I
love my grammy.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I loved helping our organize, and it's just it's it
wasn't a good like match for me. So my client
tele they're busy families like and I have a seven
year old like, and so I'm like I am in
that stage of my life and so that those clients are,
you know, they're just too busy to do it themselves.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
They have like, you know, kids and all of these things,
and so it takes a while.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To find out your clients, you know, and just running
a business like I love, I come from marketing, and
so I'm like always wanting to do marketing and I'm.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Like, no, no, I have to be like doing other things.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And you know, and then having a team, like if
you have a big job and you can't do it
on your own, like you need to find people that
you know have the same values and you know your
clients expect.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
The same thing.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's like so many things to think about. But finally
I'm like, oh, yeah, this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
I'm going to do more of it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
And that's that really describe it perfectly. And there's a folks,
there's a lot of I always say, being an entrepreneur,
I guess what we are, solopreneur, entrepreneur, mom, whatever works.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Want to use.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
But you're a business owner and this is a business
and I don't have the core. We just want to organize.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm sure like you love what I love. We just
want to we just want to help people. This is
a business. And that's what I wish someone had told
me in the beginning a little more emphasized that a
little more to me. I mean, I wasn't like a
win in not noise of business, but I just I
just wish somebody said, James, there are there's you may
have to you may have to schedule a day where
it's all paperwork or you know, are things you just
have to kind of you know, a couple of times
(24:29):
a year. Like there's there's certain things that comes to
taxes and there's like there's just certain things that you
have to do. Contracts, make sure the contracts are updated,
make sure your agreements are updated.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Like it's a lot of little things.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
What happens you know with all that stuff, it's like
scheduling all that's because you have a regular life too,
see you know what I'm talking about, And like you
have regular life also, and you're like, luckily, but I'm
a grandfather, so my kids are all grown, but still scheduling.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
The grandparent time. It's my kids.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But like or if you're dating or just like I like,
it's like there's a somebody just kind of eversides to James.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And you have fun. At least you have a good time.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You loved what you do, I would say, But just
know that there's a lot there's there's there's office work,
so a speaker, back end and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
What do you what do you? What are your thoughts
about that? About that?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I completely one thousand percent agree with you because I
enjoy doing like organizing.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
That's why I am in this business.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I love it, but I just you get caught up
in it and and I'm like, oh my gosh, im
like keeping track of your expenses.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
The worst, Like I I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Know, like and you think you're an organized person like I.
I guess I'm somewhat organized in the business, but like
things are changing.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
It's just so much in my head about the actual business.
It's just like wild. So I just focus on like booking,
you know, projects and work on them all things.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
A little house you can hire, question you have if
you have the money, you can hire people to do
bookkeeping and stuff like that. Of course not there, but
I'm just saying that. I think it's one of those things.
I I come from the Oprah school of thoughts. I
want to make sure I know everything that's going on,
like touch everything. Whether you're doing it fully or that's
one thing, but at least as an owner, we should
know everything that's.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Kind of going on. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I can't agree with that very much, but congratulations on
that that you're that's happening there. What would you tell
people on the client side if they're thinking about they're
they're disorganized or unorganized or whatever. Attectives you want to use.
I know there's diger differences, but I'm just saying you're
sitting in your house or your office, or your garage
(26:44):
or your boat house or wherever you are. I need
just I need I just I need help, But I
don't know if I should or afraid to. What would
you say to those people if you had a chance of,
like if you had an audience, talk to them, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So when I'm organizing and the advice that I give,
I think I align it with life advice. So you know,
if you're like, I don't know if I should do this,
I'm embarrassed, or I don't know what's going to happen,
or I don't need you know, just all those crazy
thoughts that go through your head. What would you like
(27:20):
tell your friend who wanted to start their own business,
or you know, wanted to try like skydiving, or you know,
just something, Just go for it. It's going to improve
your life. And there's so many different organizers out there,
and you will connect with one that will help you
(27:43):
no matter what your needs are. If you're like needing
a ton of organization or a little bit, there's somebody
out there for you to help you and even like
a little tweak to your daily's life, it will make
it so much better, you know, and you'll feel so
much better. It's like a therapy, you know. It's it's
really it's it's self care. Being organized is self care.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So you know what you know that was That was
my whole thing. I believe that I'm glad you said
the word and that I'm going to just mention this
a little bit. You mentioned embarrassment and I and I
want all these shows that I do, all the appearances
I do, my Jimmy Kimmel appearance, everything I do is
about taking away the shame and thet you're feeling. I
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think people at home, if you're sitting here washing, I
know they guys watched my shows and some of you
could be disorganized or order tendencies or whatever you want
to call it, pack raps or words you use it yourself.
Don't be embarrassed. There are so many great organizers who
are not here to judge you. Right, We're not here
to judge. We're just here to help. I want to
(28:50):
do and I'm trying to break that you had least.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah, I agree. I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
As an organizer, and I've been you know, I mean
you've been doing it longer. But you just go into
people's homes and it's just I love being inside of
people's homes. Like even I don't, like, I don't I'm
not going into somebody's home.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
And thinking, oh my gosh, why do they have that
in there? Like or like that's weird, or you know,
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I'm like fascinated and some and even in people's homes,
in every client's home that I go into or space,
I always take away something that I learn, a positive
thing that I learned from them, like oh they do
this this way, that's cool, like I've never seen that,
or or I find like a treasure you know that
I've never seen.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Before, and it's just awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
You learn about people and you make connections with your
clients and it's it's nothing. You know, if whatever organizer comes,
you know, it's it's a it's a positive thing and
there's I know it's hard to think like oh, I'm
I'm shameful of my space or I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
But you don't have to be.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
This is what we do. We're here for that.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, you hire a plumber when your pipes a miss it.
You hire a gardener when your garden is the weeds
are too big. You hire electrician when the light gets busted.
You can't get a good socking thing. I mean, that's
it's the same thing. It's just it's we're like all
those we're all those people. You hire a housekeeper clean
your house. I mean, it's like, it's all it's a service.
And I keep trying. That's nothing. I try to do
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this podcast. I know it's a service. And for those
who I know, there's a lot of pride. And maybe
you can talk about this a little bit if you
run across it. I know there's a lot of pride.
It comes to.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
House management. They you know, they don't stole terms stay
at home.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Mine's the house stay at home mom, So I don't
have the terminology anymore, but just house house management. You're
a mother or is my father in some cases, and
you're at home taking care of anything. Just pride in
Am I doing it correctly? Am I doing it all?
And what do you say to them? What do you
say those people?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
You know what, no matter I've been in really nice homes,
like beautiful homes and a home can be beautiful, but
you know it's the way that you it's a beautiful
So I let me start over. A beautiful home is
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being lived in. It's not like a sterile home like
I you know, as long as you can go into
a home and it's like it feels like a home.
It doesn't have to look perfect. And being organized is
not perfect if you have a system that works for you.
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And again, it's the way that you feel.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Like if you walk in.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Your home and you're like, okay, I know I have
a system for this, I know where this is, this is,
my kids are fine, whatever, then you're organized like it's not.
And I've been in so many homes and nobody's home
is like sterile, perfect and nobody keeps it that way.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I agree. And I've worked with celebrities and the same thing.
It's not.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's not it's it's just I agree with you one
thousand percentlings on that. Yes, And but we know that
maybe you have pride and maybe embarrassed. Can you think
you're not doing well? I was like, no, it's not
it right, it's not it. Life is busy. You have
more than even having one child. I had two daughters,
but eybe hanging. One child is gonna be to be busy.
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But if you have more than that, and you're trying
to eat their schedules. And both my daughters were in sports,
they were in dance, they're both in the clubs.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And they did everything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And trying to navigate that girlfriend, it's a lot. I'm
a grandfather and now I'm trying to navi get the
grandchildren's stuf. I got five of them. I'm like, who
has what?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Doesn't hear? And I'm like, can Papa Jamie go to
this one? I'm like, it's you, I mean. And time
goes by so fast.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
It's like forget about it. And I I tell myself
that I'm an organizer. I'm a perfectionist. I like things
to be like, you know, look a certain way. And
I just remind myself, like, because I have a lot
of pride in my home, I'm a home organizer, and
I'm always like, okay, if somebody's coming over, like I
have to put the things away, and I do, but
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but I have given myself the the you know, the okay,
like it's okay, we live in this home and there's
going to be stuff out like we live here, we're like.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Hanging out here. We can't have everything put away like
things can be out, you know, like.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You're like it's taking it's taking over my life, like
you know, the bins and things not really anymore.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
But that's the pride thing.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like if there's anybody that like has more pride, it's
a home organizer that like manages a home. But I
allow it because you know, my son isn't going to
be seven, He's going to be like thirties Sunday with kids.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I'm going to be the grandma, you know, like, and
I want I want to live in my house and
enjoy it and not obsessed with putting things away.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's all I'm chuckling because I think I like a house.
That's nice, but I wanted we lived in I mean,
that's how we live. It's what we were here and
so that's what we're here for. And I'm paying this
mortgage to live in my house. Yeah, I didn't live
in my house. That's out of the whole points. That's
why I'm here.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So I like that.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
As we wrap up, and I love I love all
your answers. Now I just want to talk to our
brethren our fellow organizers and your business six years, What
would like to say to people who are joining.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Our profession now, who are joining it, anything you want
to say to them.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
It's a great time to join because there are a
lot of seasoned organizers like you, and you give it's
it's needed, it's and it's a really fulfilling, fulfilling thing
to do, like I love it, and it's a really
good decision. And then what maybe like some business advice,
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just don't don't don't like be too hard on yourself,
because when you're starting any business, it's really hard.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
And like my life is like a roller.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Coaster my feelings because one day you're up and you're like,
I'm doing so awesome, and then one day like, oh
that was I shouldn't be doing this all. Sometimes I'm like,
oh my gosh, I got to go back to marketing.
I'm like looking at marketing jobs. Can somebody just hire me?
But no, it's it's worth it, It's really worth it.
But don't be too hard on yourself.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I always do thanks and gratitude, and I just want
to say, I think gratitude to you for coming on
the show, of course, and being so friendly to me.
I want to thank everybody at Maple and San Diego.
I made a lot of new friends and they're all
just so wonderful and great. Uh. And it's also and
also just all our clients. It's our big it's feast
her famine sometimes and she just metates you just mentioned
(36:04):
and you're like.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, I got red, I got mortgaged next month. I love.
But it always comes through because we are here to help.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And seriously, and I and I I think every person
who hires one of us, uh, and not just tuss
everybody in my business. I mean there's so many wonderful
people out there. Seriously, I mean there are who are
ready to help you. So I live in grat you
for someone making that decision for themselves to hire an organizer.
And you should trust me, you will not be sorry.
(36:32):
We are we are, we are a good bunch. And
now it's time for at least to do her marketing.
Where can they find you? Your website? Where you where
you is online?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
So it's it's a long website. It's a long website.
The organized way was taken, so it's discover the organized way.
And then I'm also on Instagram the organized way Elise Metzker.
So I'm usually on Instagram in YouTube.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So now put those leaks in the description blue for
you guys to go follow her. Follow her and to
James sent you thanks a list for being on the show.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Thank you, James, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
It was fun my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So folks, you follow me the super organizers on all
sorc Sudia platforms everywhere where you want to be super organizer.
Dot com A lot of help, that's a lot with
TWT's of help in the wato I did there? Dot com?
Follow that have a blog that comes out every day.
Today's blog is on jen Beta and will they be
(37:32):
organized or not? Well, I said, it's a very that's
the future. It's about the future of what they might
look at when it comes to collecting items. It's changing, folks,
it's changing. That's out now. So I have a blog
every day, James lot Junior everywhere on TikTok a TikTok star,
I'm everywhere. I'm all over the place talking about organizing
soap operas, star wars, about everything. So follow all of
(37:55):
that out there, and I'm also hired. You feel Los
Angeles area and you want to, like, just meet me
and say hi and pay me of.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Course, all that.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I'm here. Of course, super Organizer is here for you
to help you. She's there to help you also. Everyone,
thank you so much for watching. We're here on Mondays.
Every Monday, I do a show ten years running. And
we'll see you next time.
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