January 21, 2025 • 49 mins
The 20th of January, 2025 is a date of special significance, as we observe history in the making as President Trump is now only the second president since President Grover Cleveland to win the office twice but not consecutively, we also mourn the loss of a president in this time, the late President Jimmy Carter and we observe the memory of the late great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. this is truly a day of days.
last year on this exact date we did a show discussing the new controversy regarding the Memory of Dr. King Jr and his place in future in history, regrettably we lost that footage and were unable to air the show made on 21, January, 2024 and by some twist off fate that footage was discovered today, we rushed to process it and share it with our audience, so please feel free to share your thoughts and input, share this,like, subscribe and donate, Thank you very much.
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last year on this exact date we did a show discussing the new controversy regarding the Memory of Dr. King Jr and his place in future in history, regrettably we lost that footage and were unable to air the show made on 21, January, 2024 and by some twist off fate that footage was discovered today, we rushed to process it and share it with our audience, so please feel free to share your thoughts and input, share this,like, subscribe and donate, Thank you very much.
so now please join me and our invited guest as we have a chat about the dreamer...
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's my privilege to introduce to you all the way
from the South Side of Chicago, the Man, the Myth,
the Legend, my.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey, what did you close?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Romney wants to let it, he said in the first
hundred days, He's gonna let the big banks once again
write their own rules, unchained water. They're gonna put y'all
back and change.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey. Hey, it's a boy kid White, host of the
South Side Unicorns Show, and to they show you are
lucky that you're here. I have some of the most
esteemed people in the Republican Party and we're about to
have a chat, a conversation about something that's very, very
important in America. Again, I stress to you this is
a conversation and we're going to touch on the topic
(01:19):
of Dr Martin Luther King Junior. And it will intersect
on the idea of doctor Martin Luther King Junior, Marxist
Doctor Martin Luther King Junior, a national treasure that's going
to be the axis of the conversation of this chat
with me. Today are the following people, and I will
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begin with Jessica. Jessica, say hi to the audience.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Hi everyone, nice to meet everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
My name is Tell them who you are and how
they can get in touch with you.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah, my name is Jessica Rutan. I'm a state delegate
here in the state of California. I'm also running for
Central Committee in the Assembly District fifty nine.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
So if you're on my district, please for.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Me and you can reach me at Javerrytan at Aubrey
dot dot com.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Outstanding, and without any introduction, many of you already know
the face that's to my left, is it? That would
be the beautiful an say hi to the audience.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Hi everyone, thank you for having me. I am an
angel mom not by choice. I campaigned with President Trump.
I'm a former congressional candidate. I'm running for Central Committee
and I'm Trump supported a million times over and God
bless this country and let's close these borders down so
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more people won't die at the hands of illegal aliens.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Outstanding and the brother below me here as you can see,
I mean with the big old guns. I mean I
should introduce you, sir. First, I'm so sorry, sir, h
without any without any further ado, please introduce yourself to
the audience.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He love everybody, I'm Stephen Davis, contributed with Turning Point USA,
and I said for all things truth and at the
end of the day of the Bible says the truth
will set you free. So that's what I'm all about.
You can find me at on Instagram as Stephen Davis
seventeen seventy.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Six outstanding and we got Nick tais you have to
unmute yourself. Please introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 8 (03:23):
Brother, Yeah, my name is Nick Torus And just a
side note, it might be appearing as Marque torres Via
in my zoom. I'm using a proxy account to attend
this meeting. I'm a former congressional candidate, American nationalist activist
and the best way you can find me is on
Instagram at Nick dot Torus forty. That's at Nick dot
Torus forty and Ken, thank you for hosting us and
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having me on today.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You're more than welcome. This is a conversation that we
have to have and last but not least and in
the nick of time, mister Emory, how you doing? Can
you hear me?
Speaker 9 (03:56):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm doing pretty good, Derek, Ken, and I'm glad I
finally got in. I don't know what was going on here.
But my name is Emrie McClinton. I'm located in Indiana
and you can best reach me on Facebook at Emery
mc outstanding.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, so here we go, ladies and gentlemen. We're gonna
get off into this with the basics, which you know
everybody should know. Some people don't know, so we're just gonna,
you know, gonna gloss over it very quickly.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Here.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Allow me to get to my show prep, which is
what we should have had laid out. Hey, Steve, do
you have like a producer and in assistance that helped
you do your show prep?
Speaker 9 (04:33):
Not at all. It's all me, brother.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh man, I'm sitting here thinking to myself, I wish
I had Jeremy with me right now because Jeremy used
to help me keep all this stuff absolutely you know flush,
But you know it happens. I just got a roll
with what I got. Let's let's do this.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's your basic Wikipedia introduction to the person we know
as doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. I will hold off
on using the term reverend until this conversation is done.
It's going to be two parts, so I'll hold off
on using the term reverend until we in this conversation,
and you the audience, will be the judge of whether
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we reapplied that to his name. But right now we're
going to be discussing Martin Luther King Junior born on
January fifteenth, nineteen twenty nine, and unfortunately we lost him
on April fourth, nineteen sixty eight to an assassin's bullet.
Here in his Wikipedia biography it is read this way
American Christian minister, activist and political philosopher who was one
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of the most prominent leaders in the civil rights movement
from nineteen fifty five until this assassination in nineteen sixty eight.
A Black church leader and a son of early civil
rights activists, AD Minister Martin Luther King Senior. King advanced
civil rights with people of color in the United States
through the use of non violence, resistance and non non
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violence civil disobedience against Jim Crow laws and other forms
of discrimination in the United States. That is how we
are given the information on who doctor Martin Luther King
Junior is. We obviously know that all of us are
very complex people, very complex creatures, and that is just
(06:20):
a veneer. There's more to all of us. There's more
to doctor King, and we're about to delve into that
right now. Let me explain to the audience this chat,
the chat about the Dreamer came about when I looked
on my brother's page because I follow him, Steven Davis
aka Magahawk. I saw his page and actually, as he said,
(06:44):
he's a contributor to Turning Point USA, and it's leader,
it's President, it's Captain. Charlie Kirk actually did an expose
a a piece on doctor King on Martin Luther King's
Memorial Day. It was shocked. It was revelations or information
that I had not seen and was not prepared to read.
(07:08):
But again, if it's factual, if it's data, it is
what it is. I could have prepared myself more for
this show, ladies and gentlemen, but I can't. I didn't
want to do that. I want to learn. As you
learn with me, I will have questions that I imagine my
audience would want me to ask of you all. I
was born and raised on the South side of Chicago,
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where you had the budd Billiken Parade, the Operation Push parades,
the Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Parades. So I am,
I guess a product of what the media gave us
as to who this man is. I believe it would
be appropriate to allow Stephen Davis his five minutes to
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explain to us what this was I saw on I'm
sure you can speak for him on this. What was
it that I saw on Charlie Kirk's Hey, Well, he
said that doctor Martin Luther King is overrated pretty much
and that he's a Marxist. Can do you want to
expand at this point? Can you help us with that?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes, sir, I mean I didn't honestly, I didn't even
read his his post, but I do agree. I mean,
in regards to Martin Luther King being a Marxist, one
hundred percent of the ideology that he put forth were
Marxists in nature. So that's one of the issues that
I have with MLK is with two things in general.
Speaker 10 (08:30):
One that he was he was a trojan horse, right,
he was a trojan horse, and he ushered in a
false gospel, the social gospel, which is often what he
spoke spoke about.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And he also talked about a grievance right, a grievance
style movement in the civil rights movement. So when I
look at both of these things, and I see the
problems that both arise out of this when it comes
to this grievous style move that the civil rights movement,
and you look at the backers behind the civil rights movement,
the baired residents, the Stanley Levinson's who are then themselves Marxists,
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and the influence, the Marxist influence, the Marxist rhetoric, the
registribution of wealth. I mean, all this type of thing
that's not good for America. It's not going to be beneficial,
not only for the black community but for America at large.
When you look at things of this nature, it's it's
really sad to see that a person of this nature
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would put forth such a message, and you look at
it would be one thing if Martin Luther King came
right out and said, you know what, I am a Marxist,
this is the ideology that I stand with. This is
the ideology I'm going to put forth. But he didn't
do that. Author James Cone, the father of Liberation theology,
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he talks about how MLK would in private talk about
his Marxist beliefs, is Communist beliefs and the redistribution of
wealth and the things that we he wants to implement,
but in public he would put forth certain messaging that
only somewhat alludes to it, because he knows that the
general public is not really warmed to such a to that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Let me interject right here, because again I'm coming into
this with no preconceived ideas about the argument. But I
do want to touch on that that you just spoke on,
which is, in the Cold War climate of the nineteen
fifties and nineteen sixties, the threat of communism galvanized public attention.
In nineteen fifty three, Martin Luther King called communism one
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of the most important issues of the day see his
paper paper six Dash one four six. As King rose
to prominence, he frequently had to defend himself against the
allegations of communists, though his views that communists and Christianity
are fundamentally incompatible did not change king strength. Page ninety
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three read that although sympathetic to communism cause concert with
social concerns with social justice, can complained that it's cold
atheism wrapped in garments of materialism. Communism provides no place
for God or Christ. This I'm pulling from his own
information in his own bio, So I understand what you're saying, now,
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how do I call you? Brother? Am I gonna call
you Stephen?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
To day?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm I calling you magahole? What's happening?
Speaker 9 (11:26):
He called me, Stevene.
Speaker 11 (11:27):
You can call me magahole either or fire with me?
I answered to all, there it is, there, it is.
I'm gonna call you brother first. You know what I mean,
because in my heart you my brother. But but Stephen,
what do you say to that? I understand that what
you're saying is he cloaked himself in the imagery opposite
to his deepest beliefs.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But these are his papers that are on file too
that he said, Yes, I kind of understand communism, but
I believe capitalism is the better way to go. This
is a paraphrase of his papers. What do you say
to that?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
When I see a.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
New broadcast from the south side Unicorn, I can't wait
to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But you just never know what he's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. I mean a person could espouse
one thing, but he can all again. He can spoils
one thing in public, but in private is a different story. Also,
when you look at him and the things that he espoused,
you also have to check the vehetoric, you also have
to check what the person has done and what he
advocates for. Right. He constantly talked about a better distribution
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of resources or a redistribution of resources, which is in
and of itself a Marxist belief, one of the four
aspects of Marxist ideology.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So and and and and and thank you for that.
I want to say this real quick. You're saying redistribution
of wealth. But I'm wondering if the if the people
in Chicago, in New York, uh Georgia, would that more
be aligned with an ask for reparations. Was he actually
talked about the entire system going that way or that
that blacks needed some type of reparation? What what is
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this distribution?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, it's all about seeking big government or dissolve all
of your ills, which again is another core aspect of Marxism.
You can't bring in Marxism and well, you can't bring
in communism. You can't bring out socialism without people identifying
with the government as the savior of all things. So
when you say the redistribution of resources and redistribution of
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wealth that has to come from big government, that means
big government has to go into the pockets of the
American people and say, you know what, this is what
we're going to do on behalf of another group of people.
The grief and style of Martin Luther King with her
spoules is also something a communist tactic of the left
that is oftentimes presented Manny Johnson in a great book
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called Color Comedy.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well, right there, I can see you could go on on.
You have a wealth of information. We got a whole
show to go now at this moment. With everything you've
just said, Steven, and this is revelations to a lot
of us. I'm going to defer to Jessica right now, Jessica,
what you've heard, and this is the this is the
actions of this conversation that doctor Martin Luther King wasn't
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exactly who we were taught he was and who he
portrayed himself to be. To us, what are your briefly,
what are your thoughts and reactions or what you've just heard?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Actually I agree with what he's saying. It is certainly
as I went into college and as I started reading
for myself and wanting to know more about this man,
I think it was a disappointment for me personally because
I had such a great thought of this man. And
then when I became a teacher and as an educator,
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and when it came to Martin Luther King and we
were going to teach about him and this magnificent man,
and you know he was we celebrated his birthday. It
was hard at times too. You know, how do you
justify in my own mind for me that this uh
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uh dichotomy of a man who had his dreams but
at the same time, behind the scenes was very much
as far as I was concerned as socialist and had
Marxist ideas about how and who he felt about this
country as a whole.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, see when I when I when I when I
hear that Marxist socialist, that Martin Luther King was these things,
I'm trying to line that up with the times that
he was in the time that he was in the
Democrat Party ruled the day pretty much. The Democrat Party
from it from the nineteen fifties forward, especially after McCarthyism
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lost its battle with socialism and communism in America, the
Democrat Party could easily and more readily be identified with
socialists and communist ideas than the Republican Party. The things
that doctor King were advocating for, they actually fly in
the face of the very things that we're hearing. I
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want to go to Emory Emry, what is your thought
about what you're hearing right now?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Okay, Ken, I'm very happy to be here tonight, and
i want to say that I've done a lot of research,
and I've studied a lot of the stuff about doctor
Martin Luther King. I've heard about the communists quote unquote ties,
his Marxism, his views, how he was closely a follower
of Gandhi, even Karl Marx and some of the other
ones you know. But a lot of this stuff didn't
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come out until after his death, and it came out
through such groups as the fake Zionists, uh, the FBI
under Jed Hoover, who will know.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, I stopped for a minute. I'm listening to you.
I do this for the benefit of the audience, because
that's why I'm here, yours truly is to is to
help the audience navigate their way through some very complex ideations.
We'll talk about that obviously on another show. But I
heard you use a term fake Zionists.
Speaker 9 (17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
There, you know, there's a lot of literature out there
about these groups that called themselves lots of Zionist groups,
and they they have put out that Martin Luther King
matter of fact, and in some of their literature it
says that we don't call him Martin Luther King, we
call him Martin Lucifer King.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't know if you've ever heard that or not.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
And and there there's lots of literature out that supports
that argument, and and and because of they say that
he had the background with starting off with Gandhi and
so forth. I think a lot of what Martin Luther
King did during that period of time, he did it
out of an ignorance, just like most blacks did during
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that period and even now in the modern times, falling
into the hands of socialism and communism simply because they
don't understand what it is and what it was. And
I think over time, Martin Luther King began to change
his views and he supported more toward capitalism. But the
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dirt had, you know, had began.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
To have beginn himself on that point. Let me interject here,
because he wrote a letter to Karreta while he was
in college, and this is what he said.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
King's first studied Communism on his own while a student
at Crozier Theological Seminary in nineteen forty nine. In his
nineteen fifty eight memoir, he reported he although he reported it.
Although he rejected communism's central tenets, he was sympathetic to
Mark's critique of capitalism, finding the gulf between superfluous wealth
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and abject poverty that existed in the United States was
morally wrong see Stride, page ninety four. Writing his future
wife Coretta Scott during the first summer of their relationship,
he told her that he was quote more socialistic in
my economic theory than capitalistic, and yet I am not
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so opposed to capitalism that I have failed to see
its relative merits end quote Papers six, Common one two three,
page one twenty three through one twenty five. I'm pulling
from some of his biography and that that details of
what you're saying in all of you all. Thank you
so much for your student inputs, because then me, you're right.
Our people are not politically boy, I'm gonna step anybody here,
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but I'm going to say it. Our people are not
politically uh literate. And Malcolm X spoke on that as
well and both of you. Everyone is already kind of
highlighted that right now, So we're going to segue into
this thank you all for your patients, but I need
to tap Agnes for a moment because Agnes, at this moment,
I need you to give the audience the background of
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who you are and your exposure to socialism. Please, before
I ask you the question, I need to.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Ask, well, I was born in dou the Pest, Hungary,
which was a communist country at the time, and my
parents escaped after the Soviet Union invaded our country. And
in socialism, you have no rights to speak up, you
have no rights to protest, you have no rights to
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do anything because if you do, you get arrested and
either to execute you who you go to a labor
force camp. And that's basically what it was. So I'm
listening to what everybody is saying here, and I honestly
didn't see any intent of doctor King to be wann
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in socialism at all. What I saw that he wanted
was disegregation, the rights to vote and labor rights. He
was just standing up for his people. And let's face it,
after Lincoln emancipated the slaves, almost one hundred years went
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by and they had no rights. Which I don't know
too much about the history of this country of Martin
Luther King, but I honestly this past week and I
saw an awful lot of documentaries about him, and I
was very impressed. And also the fact that he always
had very peaceful protests, nothing like it is today. What
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we have today with BLM is a totally different level.
That's what I would call. Well, we're not even going there.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
But well, I want I want to I want to
ask you a question. Right there, you said that this
doesn't look like the communism you grew up in. You
actually tasted communism firsthand, am I right?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So go ahead.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Now, I was very young when my parents escaped, but
I grew up hearing not only from my parents. That's
all I heard what communism was and how difficult it was,
how everything was controlled for everybody, not just one group
of people or another. Everybody. Everybody had a ticket to
buy meat, and it didn't matter if you had the
money to buy extra meat. You couldn't. So the government
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controlled everything. There were no free enterprises, free businesses. Everything
was owned by the government.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
So what you're what you're saying is what you're hearing
right now doesn't necessarily line up with the unadulterated, unvetted
communism and socialism that you experienced and grew up in.
So that's one thing, But you're also saying that this
is not Doctor King, is not black lives matters. His
approach was not that. But now when I think about
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Steven Davis and Charlie Kirk and.
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Speaker 1 (23:43):
Is just getting started. The message that's being put out there,
which is doctor Martin Luther King is not who we
think he is. Part of that new message is he's
of a progenitor. He's like a trojan horse who actually
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ushered in the very people that you're saying, Agnes. He
doesn't mirror and has caused this. I don't want to
use the word reverse discrimination because racism and discrimination are
nasty and bad no matter which direction they go in.
So there's no such thing as reverse discrimination because you'll
in effect be saying doing it to the black folks
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is right. No, no, no, no hatred, bigotry, racism, all
of those things are wrong, no matter who it is
aimed at. And on that note, I want to bring
in my man Nick, Nick Taris, please introduce yourself again
and let's hear your perspective and take on this topic.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Yeah, thank you, and thank you for having me on tonight.
Ken So, I actually agree with Steven emphatically that MLK
is actually a Marxist and I think MLK and I
disagree with Agnoes even though that she is from Hungary,
a country I like very much and spent two years in.
MLK I believe is the progenitor of the black grievance
movements and the black ethnic lobbies that have kind of
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fomented a anti white sentiment in the country, particularly since
the George Floyd Summer. And I just want to give
some quotes too, if you don't mind my saying on
MLK and Marxism. This is from Harry Belafonte's book My Song,
which recounts an anecdote between MLK and Andrew Young. They're
discussing the merits of socialism and capitalism. He tells Andrew Young,
he being MLK, you're a capitalist.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
I'm not.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
There's also the letter which you cited, dated from July eighteenth,
nineteen fifty two, which he tells Koreta Scott King, I
imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic
in my economic theory than capitalistic if you look at
also steam civil rights historian David Garow, who wrote the
book Burning the Cross or Bearing the Cross. It's a
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very famous account of MLK and the civil rights activism
Garo rights. Economically speaking, he King considered himself what he
termed a Marxist, largely because he believed with increasing strength
that American society needed a radical redistribution of wealth and
economic power to achieve even a rough form of social justice.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
And also.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I want to stop you right there for just one second, though, YEA,
go ahead. I hear what you're saying, and we're actually
reading some of the same empirical data together, which is great.
That shows that we're doing this the right way. We
got the proper show prep, the proper research. We are
familiar with what we're talking about. But I want to
ask a question right there, Nick, because I can understand
where you're about to probably go. If you're about to
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fall off the ledge. I mean, you're about to fall
off the ledge. And as Agnes pointed out, between the
Emancipation Proclamation and the rise of doctor Martin Luther King Junior,
that was one hundred years of disparity and to Bellum period,
all these things. I know. That's why I'm prefacing this
real quick. If you're about to fall off the ledge
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and somebody reaches their hand out to save you, and
you are actually say do you really care to they
war Marxist? And I say that to say that doctor
Martin Luther King came along in a time in history
where he was inserted or not necessarily thrusted into the
position that he was in so is he an unwitting
as Emory states, is he an unwitting participant in a
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larger program than he Or are you saying he actually
knew he was the grandfather per se of BLM? Is
that what I meaning?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
No?
Speaker 8 (27:27):
I think actually he was an empty vessel and was
basically an empty vessel for the social views and activism
of others like Stanley Levison who wrote his speeches and
helped draft I Have a Dream Speech, and Bayard Rusten,
who is a communist homosexual and behind the scenes.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
I think those were some of the people.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
I think King was very much an empty vessel for
those people who are more extreme behind him. But I
also wanted to mention too kind of what you're saying there.
I think King is also responsible for the current Dei
administration that so many conservatives complained about throughout schools and
especially if you look later on towards the end of
his career with the Poor People's Campaign.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
He was emphatic in describing the Poor.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
People's Campaign is essentially a uprising of Hispanics, Indians negroes
his words to call for social justice and equity throughout
the country. Now, that doesn't really sound like someone who's
an American, someone who's not a Marxist. I think that,
to me sounds like someone who's trying to corral the
non whites of the country quite frankly against the larger
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white population. And I think that's a big issue. And
I think with doctor King two, we're not going offul ledge.
I think it has to be brought up because we
have to be so honest about these various figures. Whether
it's George Washington and Andrew Jackson, we have to insist
at their slaveholders, or Christopher Columbus, we have to, you know,
kind of discuss their historical legacies. I think it's important
to do the same with King and the fact that
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he was a well known associative of communists and kind
of you.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But let me let me things.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
I think that's important to point out.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Let me interject right here. I understand what you're doing,
and what what what my brother Steven is doing, what
what you know? Uh just gonna say, I understand and
that what you're doing is you're laying bare, You're pulling
back the layers of the onion, and you're showing the
different layers and connected tissues of doctor Martin Luther King.
But when I hear you use terms like empty vessel,
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that that's hard to my ears, that's hard to make
empty vessel.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
I believe he was an empty vessel because actually too,
if you look at doctor King, aside from his Marxist accusations,
you have to look at the serious accusations of plagiarism.
And you said at the end of this tonight, if
we should consider it calling him reverend. I think at
the end of the night, if we should even consider
calling him doctor. Because there's actually October eleventh, nineteen ninety
one article that was found in the Associated Press, which
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was from a and they cited a Boston University panel
which founds that King largely playdaris large sections of his dissertation.
And now that's not from j Edgar Hoover's FBI. These
are from left wing academics and probably one of the
most academic cities in the country, Boston, So I think
that's important to point out. So again, being an empty vessel,
he used ghostwriters like Stan Levison, he plagiarized his doctoral thesis.
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I don't think this is someone and as someone me
and aspiring academic, somebody's attending graduate school. I think plagiarism
is highly dishonorable.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
Well, as we've just learned with.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
The doctor Plautine Gay. Yes, plagiarism is a very serious matter.
Or is it because the left wing departments? She still
holds tenure with Harvard University and her plagiarism is laid there.
So we're not talking about Clauding Gay. We're talking about
doctor King and doctor King. Wasn't no stop, Nick, Well
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we're talking about doctor doctor King. Nick, we're talking about
doctor King. But you brought up an idea of legalism
that these are the reasons that you would strip him
of his doctor's degree. That being true, then it must
be done for all because guess what, injustice anywhere is
a threat to justice everywhere. So if doctor Claudine, hold on, Nick,
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don't do that. Okay, If doctor Claudine Gay is still
allowed to have her doctor's degree and her plagiarism is
absolutely horrific, I'm not so sure that I want to
hear that doctor King should be stripped of his if
we're not going to be fair about it. That's all
I wanted to say on this.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
So I just want to make up, can I can
I say something though, because you're bringing this up about
Clauding Gay and plagiarism. I mean it was the Boston
University panel conclusively four academics found that he played drars
play darives large portions of his dissertation. Now with Clauding Gay,
these acquisitions of plagiarism, when did they come out? Well,
it came up after the ten to seven attacks in Israel,
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and she refused to condemn her student's right to freedom
of speech.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Now, I believe the attacks going.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
On against Clauding Gay are actually motivated by people like
Bill Ackman, a Jewish billionaire, and others who have an
ethnic interest I think in removing these Ivy League academics
from their positions.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Now, that's that's a separate argument, right, That's why that's.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That I need to put on the brakes. Please call
your passions so that we can get this information out.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
To find Well, I just want to count your point.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't have a point. I'm actually pointing out things
so that the audience can learn from all of you.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, ten have yes that I interject something right here?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Of course, because we have to get ready for the
part two.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
Okay, In regards to what's going on in the DEI
movement today, and what's going on with some of the
civil rights organizations a so called civil rights organization today
such as BLM and other ones, people such as Patrice
Kuhler's you got your Abram Kendries, you got the other ones.
And back in the day, even those who were against
Martin Luther King of what he was preaching, they had
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to discredit him or they wanted to discredit him so
that their movement could grow larger and larger. So quite
naturally this was the case. And they're continually to brow
that out of proportion, and they brought it so far
out of proportion to day that they want to change history.
They want to change with the birth of this nation
from seventeen seventy six to sixteen nineteen and so forth.
And so we're bringing up a lot of good points
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here today. But we got to realize that there was
an agenda behind trying to smear Martin Luther King's name. Yeah,
he might have been a little dull in the census
and got off on the wrong track in the beginning,
but he held to his beliefs even when the FBI
called him in and different other ones called him in
President Lyndon Johnson sover and told him to tone down,
and they tried to bargain with him. He held to
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his views.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That I have a dream, you know, and he wanted.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
To see the civil rights movement progress, but he wanted
to do it none violently. Of course, those people back
in those days, the Huey P. Newton's and the stokely
Carmichaels and so forth, they wanted violence. He wanted none
violence because he thought that that was the way to
sit down at the table and to get your voice
heard and to have things done in a more peaceful
manner so that we could progress exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And so on. As we wrap up Part one, And
ladies and gentlemen, I'm sure you're on the edge of
your chair right now because Nick has a lot to say.
He's over there boiling over Nick. Ye gotta hold it together, brother,
because if you just pop like popcorn is just gonna
fly out the skill it. You ever have popcorn fly
out the skill it and nobody gets to eat it.
You know what I'm saying. Let's keep it, Steve, know
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what I'm talking about. Let's keep it going in this direction.
This has been very interesting. And again I could have
prepared myself even deeper for this show, I decided not
to because I wanted my understanding, my upbringing of doctor
Martin Luther King, Jr. To be the tempo of what
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I'm hearing. Again, Remember, yours truly was born and raised
on the South Side of Chicago. We were inundated, inundated
with the message, with the message. So I want to
stay virgin to this and allow you all to expouse
your ideas. I couldn't have asked for a better panel
(34:57):
than the one I have here with me now. As
we close out on part one, ladies and gentlemen, you
want to be here on Tuesday night, nine pm to
nine thirty pm so you can get part two of
this because this is where it really gets sticky yiky.
This is where we're gonna just go ahead and I
guess take off the gloves, you know, just keep it
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civil and let's have a conversation about it. But as
we wrap up part one, I'm gonna defer to Jessica,
where are you at right now with doctor King? Is
he someone that we need to see removed from his
haughty positions? As Charlie Kirk said, Charlie Kirk said he
was deified. That's a hard term to hear or read
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as a as a black person. And doctor Martin Luther
King Jr. Is one of the few people we can
cling to and say this was good. When I read
what my friend, and I do call him a friend,
Charlie Kirk, When I read what he wrote, I don't
read it with my mind. I read it with what
I believe it's going to come across to as the
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black community. So, Jessica, what what are your thoughts right
now as we wrap up part one?
Speaker 5 (36:09):
You know, I want to go back something that Emory said,
and I really appreciated that from him in that maybe
he started out in the wrong place, and I believe
that in some ways he really did that. He started
with this socialism and with communism, and he dabbled in
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a lot of different things and a lot of different ideas,
and then in the in the midst of all that,
he tried to bring it all back into his Christian view.
And not all of it fit, not all of it worked.
But I think what's really important here that we are
not going to tear this man down and rewrite our history.
I have a real problem with that aspect of it.
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That's I think we need to see things realistically for
what they are. And I think that what we teach
our children and how we even edge a kate ourselves
on things, we need to be realistic about what's really
what we're really looking for.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But you're not going to throw the baby out with
the bathwater. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I don't think that's fair. And as an educator and
as in being in that place where I had to
teach children about this man, I needed to be I
think I had to be careful of what I was
going to say and how I said it. But I
think that it's it's a what is it that we
really want them to know about this person?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm going to defer to my brother Stephen, Stephen aka
Magahawk tear it up.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, Here's here's where I would beg to differ, because
we have to look at the intent as well as
the end result of what it is that people like
Martin Luther King are trying to put more. You know,
so when you look at what he's putting forth, he's
putting forth this grief and style petition. The government go
to the government. As the government beg the government, I
demand the government. We're not supposed to be going to
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government first and foremost. As a Christian. If Martin King
Tully was a Christian, which he wasn't, we would be
going to God first and foremost. But also when we
look at what he institute. He instituted the Black community
to look towards government for our end all be all.
And you look at the Black community today. This is
why I say there's a direct life of Martin Luther
King and what he's instituted then to what's going on
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right now within the Black community. All we do is
besie big government. All we want is political power instead
of doing what book K. T. Washington talked about and
being politically not worrying about the political aspect, but being
financially independent, trying to grow our own wealth within our
own communities, and in doing so, people of other races
are going to see the importance of what it is
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that we're doing and want to naturally be a part
of our ability to thrive, to survive and thrive. So
I ultimately I think that Martin Luther King was a
detriment to the Black community and to the success of
the black community by instituting grievance among all else.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
So I'm seeing one vote that says the memory and
the elect doctor King stays, If I got you right, Stephen,
you're saying that the memory and the legacy of doctor
King needs to be re examined and dialed down or
dialed back.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Okay, Agnes, I don't have that much knowledge about Martin
Luther King, but what I have seen, I see it
with different eyes. I didn't grow up in this country,
as you can imagine. As you can tell, I thought
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that he wanted the segregation to stop, he wanted the
people to stop, wanted labor rights and the rights to vote.
I don't know how he started, and I'm listening to
both sides. Yeah, maybe he started in the wrong way
and started with socialism ideas or Marxist ideas, and then
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reassess the whole thing. But personally, for me, I would
like nothing more in this country than stop racism, stop
separating people by race. We are all equal, we all
bled the same. I don't judge somebody on the effect
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on the case that they are black, or they're Latino
or Asian or blue black. I don't care. I base
I judge people on the base of their character. I
have very good friends. My best friend was black, and
I never referred to him as blacks and I'm Black's
exactly right, That's exactly right. And I never referred to
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you as black. I never separated that because I just don't.
But I'll tell you one thing that's really sad. When
I first immigrated to the United States, this is where
I first saw what racism is. I was viewed as
a Mexican, mind you, a stupid Mexican because I couldn't
speak English when we arrived in town.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Now you're saying that's how people viewed you. That's not
what you are calling. That's what someone.
Speaker 9 (41:03):
Said about how they viewed me.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
That's how they viewed me. Yeah, and that's very offensive
because I grew up in Brazil with the Latin culture.
I love Latin culture very much. I never denied that
I'm Hungarian and I was born there. But I'll tell
you this racism, this division needs to solve. If everybody
needs to be treated for their own character and integrity,
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who they are, their abilities, not because your great great
great grandmother was was a slave. Unfortunately we should have
never had that. But it is what it is. Were
I embrace history and learned from history.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, now now you know you you you did your part, Agnes.
And you say that the racism in America is painful
to you, it's painful to all of us. I would agree, uh,
that you were viewed as a person of hispanic, you know, ancestry,
and even that brought you ray. I mean, how do
you win on that? You know, when racism and bigoti
is what it is. But my brother down here, Nick,
(42:06):
I've known him for a while. I interviewed him for
his campaign for disclosure. And if I'm getting you wrong, Nick,
stop me. But before you say your piece, I want
to frame it when it comes to doctor Martin Luther
King Jr. And the SCLC movement, the progressive movement, if
that's the term I want to use. If it was
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intended like a butterfly effect, you know, the butterfly wings ripple,
and then it causes the title wave on the other side.
Perhaps doctor King's actions were unintended. Perhaps he meant something
else to happen, but he was used. His message was morphed. Perhaps,
And what I'm getting is, and stop me if I'm wrong, Nick,
that this entire idea of doctor Martin Luther King Junior VSIV.
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Black Lives Matters and everything else that has come from
this in the last thirty years or so has been
an absolute detriment to the white community. Is that the
position you're taking.
Speaker 9 (43:00):
Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
I think Martin Luther King was an anti white leftist,
anti white Marxist. And I think if you look at
other people in the black community who've kind of commented
on how things were in the country prior to the
Civil Rights Movement, people like Thomas Sowell. He mentions that
there was a high level of families being intact, a
high level of employment, and other things like that. And granted,
you know, again, our history isn't perfect. But I think
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what's happened since the Civil Rights Movement and the legacy
of doctor King, when you see what happens in black
communities all over the country, cities like Chicago and other
places have become awfully worse, and I think he played
a role in that. And also I think there's an
untold story that hasn't really been told, but other people
have done Youman's work on it, people like E. Michael Jones,
who's a Catholic scholar and historian and talks about essentially
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what amounted to an ethnic cleansing of America's Irish, Italian,
Polish and other ethnic communities from cities like Chicago, Detroit
and other places in the after path of the race
rights and sixties, and Martin Luther King's presence in those areas,
and you know, it's it's sad, and people talk about
what happened to the old neighborhood.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
But it's something that you can you let other people finish.
Can I finish please?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yea is just very pejorative.
Speaker 8 (44:13):
Yeah, well, I know, I understand. I'm just I would
just want to finish. I mean, I just want to
say what I want to say. So I think so,
and I think the baby should be thrown out with
the bathwater. I think there are other black Americans that
African America or black Americans.
Speaker 9 (44:25):
I don't like this. You're an African American, I agree. I
think they are Black Americans that are a part of
the country.
Speaker 8 (44:30):
And I think black Americans have other people they could
look up to, people like Billy Lee, for example, and
you've never heard of his name. He was actually George
Washington's personal assistant. I mean, it was his slave, but
he actually rode with them throughout the American Revolution, helped
him through every step of the way. Was there at
some at Valley Forge, through a lot of other parts.
And then you also have and people might laugh with this,
but I think Michael Jordan. I think Michael Jordan is
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actually a far more impressive and a far more unifying
figure than MLK was. And I say that because when
Michael Jordan had the chance, he said republic by sneakers too.
He didn't want to cause division. He's tried to be
a political figure and be someone that stands above the fold.
So I think there are other figures people can look to.
And I when I look at Martin Luther King, I
look at him as someone like Barack Obama or any
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one of these other black grievance activists. Quite frankly, and
I think the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater.
And you know, I think if we're going to be
honest about our historical figures, we have to talk about
his plagiarism, we have to talk about his philandering, we
have to talk about all these things and say something else.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, Well, we got to get ready for part two.
I got you in a second. But Nick, you say
that he's responsible for basically like the purging of whites
from the inner city, But what about the ideation of
white flight. I mean, everything seems to be geared towards
a negative about doctor King. But as Jessica pointed out
as an educator, some of these things that have happened
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were just part of the maelstream of the energy that
was doctor King. But as far as saying that he
intentionally purged whites from the inner cities, that was an
idea of white flight because of the idea of integration,
wouldn't you agree, Well, you.
Speaker 8 (46:03):
Know, if even ill at integration, I mean, what was
that that was, you could argue, you know, that was
big government, that was socialism, the social engineering where they
were busting people from far away communities to other communities.
It totally kind of absconded our tradition of local rule
and parochial rule in this country. So I would say that,
and I think also when you look at some of
these communities that have been affected, you know, if you
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look at these cities like Detroit, like Chicago, why did
the whites flee? Why was their white flight? Because there
were these awful race riots. I mean, these race riots
that occurred in the sixties, they were you know, I mean,
honestly were quite frankly, what happened in the twenty twenty
was worse. We know because we have economic data and
other things to back it. Well, happened in the sixties.
Our country was totally on fire, and Martin Luther King
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helped stoke the flames.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Okay, well, with that, I want to go ahead and
defer to Emory, ladies and gentlemen. As I said when
we started this this chat about the Dreamer, this is
going to be pretty interesting. And this is only part one,
and I'm going to let you usher us out to
commercial and then we'll we'll come back next week with
part two.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, I just wanted to add one more thing, you know,
like you got to realize that a lot of what
doctor Martin Luther King wanted to realize and what he
wanted to see come to America as far as his
views were based on equality.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
He wanted equality. He wanted the civil rights movement to
make things better for all people. He wanted our children
to be looked at by the content of their character,
of the color of their skin. But he had those
that were with him who were jealous of him, and
I'll go ahead and mention their names. You had the
Sharpens and the Jacksons and so forth. They looked at
the civil rights movement as an opportunity to make money,
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to continue to let the good times row, because without
it they would not have any power. So they are
the ones that are out here and some of the
other people in the modern civil rights movement who want
equity rather than equality. They are basically trying to see
to it that doctor Martin Luther King's dream is destroyed
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because it stops them from making a profit and from
also it also stops them from keeping the country united.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
There it is so ladies and gentlemen, as you've heard
so far, and I am so honored with the panel
that I have here tonight in this show that's titled
A Chat about the Dreamer. We're gonna go to commercial break,
or actually we're gonna conclude part one and we'll be
back on next Tuesday nine pm to nine thirty pm.
(48:35):
You don't want to miss it. But I'll go ahead
and close the show with a quote from doctor Martin
Luther King Junior. He said that we have great scientists,
but we don't have our souls. We have guided missiles
controlled by misguided men. This is a quote from doctor King.
I want to thank you all for being here on
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this part. I trust that you'll be back for part two.
Do I get that bit?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yes, Outstanding ladies and gentlemen, this is your boy Kin White,
host of the South Side Unicorn Show. Listen to me.
There's no place I'd rather be. There's nothing more I'd
rather do than being right here doing this show for you.
We're out, Yeah,
Hello, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's my privilege to introduce to you all the way
from the South Side of Chicago, the Man, the Myth,
the Legend, my.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Deal, your brother, the south Side Unicorn.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey, what did you close?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Romney wants to let it, he said in the first
hundred days, He's gonna let the big banks once again
write their own rules, unchained water. They're gonna put y'all
back and change.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hey. Hey, it's a boy kid White, host of the
South Side Unicorns Show, and to they show you are
lucky that you're here. I have some of the most
esteemed people in the Republican Party and we're about to
have a chat, a conversation about something that's very, very
important in America. Again, I stress to you this is
a conversation and we're going to touch on the topic
(01:19):
of Dr Martin Luther King Junior. And it will intersect
on the idea of doctor Martin Luther King Junior, Marxist
Doctor Martin Luther King Junior, a national treasure that's going
to be the axis of the conversation of this chat
with me. Today are the following people, and I will
(01:39):
begin with Jessica. Jessica, say hi to the audience.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Hi everyone, nice to meet everyone.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
My name is Tell them who you are and how
they can get in touch with you.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah, my name is Jessica Rutan. I'm a state delegate
here in the state of California. I'm also running for
Central Committee in the Assembly District fifty nine.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
So if you're on my district, please for.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Me and you can reach me at Javerrytan at Aubrey
dot dot com.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Outstanding, and without any introduction, many of you already know
the face that's to my left, is it? That would
be the beautiful an say hi to the audience.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Hi everyone, thank you for having me. I am an
angel mom not by choice. I campaigned with President Trump.
I'm a former congressional candidate. I'm running for Central Committee
and I'm Trump supported a million times over and God
bless this country and let's close these borders down so
(02:38):
more people won't die at the hands of illegal aliens.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Outstanding and the brother below me here as you can see,
I mean with the big old guns. I mean I
should introduce you, sir. First, I'm so sorry, sir, h
without any without any further ado, please introduce yourself to
the audience.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
He love everybody, I'm Stephen Davis, contributed with Turning Point USA,
and I said for all things truth and at the
end of the day of the Bible says the truth
will set you free. So that's what I'm all about.
You can find me at on Instagram as Stephen Davis
seventeen seventy.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Six outstanding and we got Nick tais you have to
unmute yourself. Please introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 8 (03:23):
Brother, Yeah, my name is Nick Torus And just a
side note, it might be appearing as Marque torres Via
in my zoom. I'm using a proxy account to attend
this meeting. I'm a former congressional candidate, American nationalist activist
and the best way you can find me is on
Instagram at Nick dot Torus forty. That's at Nick dot
Torus forty and Ken, thank you for hosting us and
(03:45):
having me on today.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You're more than welcome. This is a conversation that we
have to have and last but not least and in
the nick of time, mister Emory, how you doing? Can
you hear me?
Speaker 9 (03:56):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (03:56):
I'm doing pretty good, Derek, Ken, and I'm glad I
finally got in. I don't know what was going on here.
But my name is Emrie McClinton. I'm located in Indiana
and you can best reach me on Facebook at Emery
mc outstanding.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, so here we go, ladies and gentlemen. We're gonna
get off into this with the basics, which you know
everybody should know. Some people don't know, so we're just gonna,
you know, gonna gloss over it very quickly.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Here.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Allow me to get to my show prep, which is
what we should have had laid out. Hey, Steve, do
you have like a producer and in assistance that helped
you do your show prep?
Speaker 9 (04:33):
Not at all. It's all me, brother.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh man, I'm sitting here thinking to myself, I wish
I had Jeremy with me right now because Jeremy used
to help me keep all this stuff absolutely you know flush,
But you know it happens. I just got a roll
with what I got. Let's let's do this.
Speaker 9 (04:52):
It is.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's your basic Wikipedia introduction to the person we know
as doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. I will hold off
on using the term reverend until this conversation is done.
It's going to be two parts, so I'll hold off
on using the term reverend until we in this conversation,
and you the audience, will be the judge of whether
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we reapplied that to his name. But right now we're
going to be discussing Martin Luther King Junior born on
January fifteenth, nineteen twenty nine, and unfortunately we lost him
on April fourth, nineteen sixty eight to an assassin's bullet.
Here in his Wikipedia biography it is read this way
American Christian minister, activist and political philosopher who was one
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of the most prominent leaders in the civil rights movement
from nineteen fifty five until this assassination in nineteen sixty eight.
A Black church leader and a son of early civil
rights activists, AD Minister Martin Luther King Senior. King advanced
civil rights with people of color in the United States
through the use of non violence, resistance and non non
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violence civil disobedience against Jim Crow laws and other forms
of discrimination in the United States. That is how we
are given the information on who doctor Martin Luther King
Junior is. We obviously know that all of us are
very complex people, very complex creatures, and that is just
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a veneer. There's more to all of us. There's more
to doctor King, and we're about to delve into that
right now. Let me explain to the audience this chat,
the chat about the Dreamer came about when I looked
on my brother's page because I follow him, Steven Davis
aka Magahawk. I saw his page and actually, as he said,
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he's a contributor to Turning Point USA, and it's leader,
it's President, it's Captain. Charlie Kirk actually did an expose
a a piece on doctor King on Martin Luther King's
Memorial Day. It was shocked. It was revelations or information
that I had not seen and was not prepared to read.
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But again, if it's factual, if it's data, it is
what it is. I could have prepared myself more for
this show, ladies and gentlemen, but I can't. I didn't
want to do that. I want to learn. As you
learn with me, I will have questions that I imagine my
audience would want me to ask of you all. I
was born and raised on the South side of Chicago,
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where you had the budd Billiken Parade, the Operation Push parades,
the Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Parades. So I am,
I guess a product of what the media gave us
as to who this man is. I believe it would
be appropriate to allow Stephen Davis his five minutes to
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explain to us what this was I saw on I'm
sure you can speak for him on this. What was
it that I saw on Charlie Kirk's Hey, Well, he
said that doctor Martin Luther King is overrated pretty much
and that he's a Marxist. Can do you want to
expand at this point? Can you help us with that?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yes, sir, I mean I didn't honestly, I didn't even
read his his post, but I do agree. I mean,
in regards to Martin Luther King being a Marxist, one
hundred percent of the ideology that he put forth were
Marxists in nature. So that's one of the issues that
I have with MLK is with two things in general.
Speaker 10 (08:30):
One that he was he was a trojan horse, right,
he was a trojan horse, and he ushered in a
false gospel, the social gospel, which is often what he
spoke spoke about.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
And he also talked about a grievance right, a grievance
style movement in the civil rights movement. So when I
look at both of these things, and I see the
problems that both arise out of this when it comes
to this grievous style move that the civil rights movement,
and you look at the backers behind the civil rights movement,
the baired residents, the Stanley Levinson's who are then themselves Marxists,
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and the influence, the Marxist influence, the Marxist rhetoric, the
registribution of wealth. I mean, all this type of thing
that's not good for America. It's not going to be beneficial,
not only for the black community but for America at large.
When you look at things of this nature, it's it's
really sad to see that a person of this nature
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would put forth such a message, and you look at
it would be one thing if Martin Luther King came
right out and said, you know what, I am a Marxist,
this is the ideology that I stand with. This is
the ideology I'm going to put forth. But he didn't
do that. Author James Cone, the father of Liberation theology,
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he talks about how MLK would in private talk about
his Marxist beliefs, is Communist beliefs and the redistribution of
wealth and the things that we he wants to implement,
but in public he would put forth certain messaging that
only somewhat alludes to it, because he knows that the
general public is not really warmed to such a to that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Let me interject right here, because again I'm coming into
this with no preconceived ideas about the argument. But I
do want to touch on that that you just spoke on,
which is, in the Cold War climate of the nineteen
fifties and nineteen sixties, the threat of communism galvanized public attention.
In nineteen fifty three, Martin Luther King called communism one
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of the most important issues of the day see his
paper paper six Dash one four six. As King rose
to prominence, he frequently had to defend himself against the
allegations of communists, though his views that communists and Christianity
are fundamentally incompatible did not change king strength. Page ninety
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three read that although sympathetic to communism cause concert with
social concerns with social justice, can complained that it's cold
atheism wrapped in garments of materialism. Communism provides no place
for God or Christ. This I'm pulling from his own
information in his own bio, So I understand what you're saying, now,
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how do I call you? Brother? Am I gonna call
you Stephen?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
To day?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I'm I calling you magahole? What's happening?
Speaker 9 (11:26):
He called me, Stevene.
Speaker 11 (11:27):
You can call me magahole either or fire with me?
I answered to all, there it is, there, it is.
I'm gonna call you brother first. You know what I mean,
because in my heart you my brother. But but Stephen,
what do you say to that? I understand that what
you're saying is he cloaked himself in the imagery opposite
to his deepest beliefs.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But these are his papers that are on file too
that he said, Yes, I kind of understand communism, but
I believe capitalism is the better way to go. This
is a paraphrase of his papers. What do you say
to that?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
When I see a.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
New broadcast from the south side Unicorn, I can't wait
to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
But you just never know what he's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. I mean a person could espouse
one thing, but he can all again. He can spoils
one thing in public, but in private is a different story. Also,
when you look at him and the things that he espoused,
you also have to check the vehetoric, you also have
to check what the person has done and what he
advocates for. Right. He constantly talked about a better distribution
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of resources or a redistribution of resources, which is in
and of itself a Marxist belief, one of the four
aspects of Marxist ideology.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So and and and and and thank you for that.
I want to say this real quick. You're saying redistribution
of wealth. But I'm wondering if the if the people
in Chicago, in New York, uh Georgia, would that more
be aligned with an ask for reparations. Was he actually
talked about the entire system going that way or that
that blacks needed some type of reparation? What what is
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this distribution?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, it's all about seeking big government or dissolve all
of your ills, which again is another core aspect of Marxism.
You can't bring in Marxism and well, you can't bring
in communism. You can't bring out socialism without people identifying
with the government as the savior of all things. So
when you say the redistribution of resources and redistribution of
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wealth that has to come from big government, that means
big government has to go into the pockets of the
American people and say, you know what, this is what
we're going to do on behalf of another group of people.
The grief and style of Martin Luther King with her
spoules is also something a communist tactic of the left
that is oftentimes presented Manny Johnson in a great book
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called Color Comedy.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Well, right there, I can see you could go on on.
You have a wealth of information. We got a whole
show to go now at this moment. With everything you've
just said, Steven, and this is revelations to a lot
of us. I'm going to defer to Jessica right now, Jessica,
what you've heard, and this is the this is the
actions of this conversation that doctor Martin Luther King wasn't
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exactly who we were taught he was and who he
portrayed himself to be. To us, what are your briefly,
what are your thoughts and reactions or what you've just heard?
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Actually I agree with what he's saying. It is certainly
as I went into college and as I started reading
for myself and wanting to know more about this man,
I think it was a disappointment for me personally because
I had such a great thought of this man. And
then when I became a teacher and as an educator,
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and when it came to Martin Luther King and we
were going to teach about him and this magnificent man,
and you know he was we celebrated his birthday. It
was hard at times too. You know, how do you
justify in my own mind for me that this uh
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uh dichotomy of a man who had his dreams but
at the same time, behind the scenes was very much
as far as I was concerned as socialist and had
Marxist ideas about how and who he felt about this
country as a whole.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, see when I when I when I when I
hear that Marxist socialist, that Martin Luther King was these things,
I'm trying to line that up with the times that
he was in the time that he was in the
Democrat Party ruled the day pretty much. The Democrat Party
from it from the nineteen fifties forward, especially after McCarthyism
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lost its battle with socialism and communism in America, the
Democrat Party could easily and more readily be identified with
socialists and communist ideas than the Republican Party. The things
that doctor King were advocating for, they actually fly in
the face of the very things that we're hearing. I
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want to go to Emory Emry, what is your thought
about what you're hearing right now?
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Okay, Ken, I'm very happy to be here tonight, and
i want to say that I've done a lot of research,
and I've studied a lot of the stuff about doctor
Martin Luther King. I've heard about the communists quote unquote ties,
his Marxism, his views, how he was closely a follower
of Gandhi, even Karl Marx and some of the other
ones you know. But a lot of this stuff didn't
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come out until after his death, and it came out
through such groups as the fake Zionists, uh, the FBI
under Jed Hoover, who will know.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, I stopped for a minute. I'm listening to you.
I do this for the benefit of the audience, because
that's why I'm here, yours truly is to is to
help the audience navigate their way through some very complex ideations.
We'll talk about that obviously on another show. But I
heard you use a term fake Zionists.
Speaker 9 (17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
There, you know, there's a lot of literature out there
about these groups that called themselves lots of Zionist groups,
and they they have put out that Martin Luther King
matter of fact, and in some of their literature it
says that we don't call him Martin Luther King, we
call him Martin Lucifer King.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
I don't know if you've ever heard that or not.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
And and there there's lots of literature out that supports
that argument, and and and because of they say that
he had the background with starting off with Gandhi and
so forth. I think a lot of what Martin Luther
King did during that period of time, he did it
out of an ignorance, just like most blacks did during
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that period and even now in the modern times, falling
into the hands of socialism and communism simply because they
don't understand what it is and what it was. And
I think over time, Martin Luther King began to change
his views and he supported more toward capitalism. But the
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dirt had, you know, had began.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
To have beginn himself on that point. Let me interject here,
because he wrote a letter to Karreta while he was
in college, and this is what he said.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
King's first studied Communism on his own while a student
at Crozier Theological Seminary in nineteen forty nine. In his
nineteen fifty eight memoir, he reported he although he reported it.
Although he rejected communism's central tenets, he was sympathetic to
Mark's critique of capitalism, finding the gulf between superfluous wealth
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and abject poverty that existed in the United States was
morally wrong see Stride, page ninety four. Writing his future
wife Coretta Scott during the first summer of their relationship,
he told her that he was quote more socialistic in
my economic theory than capitalistic, and yet I am not
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so opposed to capitalism that I have failed to see
its relative merits end quote Papers six, Common one two three,
page one twenty three through one twenty five. I'm pulling
from some of his biography and that that details of
what you're saying in all of you all. Thank you
so much for your student inputs, because then me, you're right.
Our people are not politically boy, I'm gonna step anybody here,
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but I'm going to say it. Our people are not
politically uh literate. And Malcolm X spoke on that as
well and both of you. Everyone is already kind of
highlighted that right now, So we're going to segue into
this thank you all for your patients, but I need
to tap Agnes for a moment because Agnes, at this moment,
I need you to give the audience the background of
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who you are and your exposure to socialism. Please, before
I ask you the question, I need to.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Ask, well, I was born in dou the Pest, Hungary,
which was a communist country at the time, and my
parents escaped after the Soviet Union invaded our country. And
in socialism, you have no rights to speak up, you
have no rights to protest, you have no rights to
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do anything because if you do, you get arrested and
either to execute you who you go to a labor
force camp. And that's basically what it was. So I'm
listening to what everybody is saying here, and I honestly
didn't see any intent of doctor King to be wann
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in socialism at all. What I saw that he wanted
was disegregation, the rights to vote and labor rights. He
was just standing up for his people. And let's face it,
after Lincoln emancipated the slaves, almost one hundred years went
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by and they had no rights. Which I don't know
too much about the history of this country of Martin
Luther King, but I honestly this past week and I
saw an awful lot of documentaries about him, and I
was very impressed. And also the fact that he always
had very peaceful protests, nothing like it is today. What
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we have today with BLM is a totally different level.
That's what I would call. Well, we're not even going there.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
But well, I want I want to I want to
ask you a question. Right there, you said that this
doesn't look like the communism you grew up in. You
actually tasted communism firsthand, am I right?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So go ahead.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Now, I was very young when my parents escaped, but
I grew up hearing not only from my parents. That's
all I heard what communism was and how difficult it was,
how everything was controlled for everybody, not just one group
of people or another. Everybody. Everybody had a ticket to
buy meat, and it didn't matter if you had the
money to buy extra meat. You couldn't. So the government
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controlled everything. There were no free enterprises, free businesses. Everything
was owned by the government.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
So what you're what you're saying is what you're hearing
right now doesn't necessarily line up with the unadulterated, unvetted
communism and socialism that you experienced and grew up in.
So that's one thing, But you're also saying that this
is not Doctor King, is not black lives matters. His
approach was not that. But now when I think about
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Steven Davis and Charlie Kirk and.
Speaker 12 (23:03):
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Speaker 9 (23:16):
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Speaker 1 (23:35):
Coxrite, my name is too Sweet.
Speaker 12 (23:39):
And you're listening to my friend Ken't white on the
South Side Unicorn, and his part.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Is just getting started. The message that's being put out there,
which is doctor Martin Luther King is not who we
think he is. Part of that new message is he's
of a progenitor. He's like a trojan horse who actually
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ushered in the very people that you're saying, Agnes. He
doesn't mirror and has caused this. I don't want to
use the word reverse discrimination because racism and discrimination are
nasty and bad no matter which direction they go in.
So there's no such thing as reverse discrimination because you'll
in effect be saying doing it to the black folks
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is right. No, no, no, no hatred, bigotry, racism, all
of those things are wrong, no matter who it is
aimed at. And on that note, I want to bring
in my man Nick, Nick Taris, please introduce yourself again
and let's hear your perspective and take on this topic.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Yeah, thank you, and thank you for having me on tonight.
Ken So, I actually agree with Steven emphatically that MLK
is actually a Marxist and I think MLK and I
disagree with Agnoes even though that she is from Hungary,
a country I like very much and spent two years in.
MLK I believe is the progenitor of the black grievance
movements and the black ethnic lobbies that have kind of
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fomented a anti white sentiment in the country, particularly since
the George Floyd Summer. And I just want to give
some quotes too, if you don't mind my saying on
MLK and Marxism. This is from Harry Belafonte's book My Song,
which recounts an anecdote between MLK and Andrew Young. They're
discussing the merits of socialism and capitalism. He tells Andrew Young,
he being MLK, you're a capitalist.
Speaker 9 (25:26):
I'm not.
Speaker 8 (25:27):
There's also the letter which you cited, dated from July eighteenth,
nineteen fifty two, which he tells Koreta Scott King, I
imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic
in my economic theory than capitalistic if you look at
also steam civil rights historian David Garow, who wrote the
book Burning the Cross or Bearing the Cross. It's a
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very famous account of MLK and the civil rights activism
Garo rights. Economically speaking, he King considered himself what he
termed a Marxist, largely because he believed with increasing strength
that American society needed a radical redistribution of wealth and
economic power to achieve even a rough form of social justice.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
And also.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I want to stop you right there for just one second, though, YEA,
go ahead. I hear what you're saying, and we're actually
reading some of the same empirical data together, which is great.
That shows that we're doing this the right way. We
got the proper show prep, the proper research. We are
familiar with what we're talking about. But I want to
ask a question right there, Nick, because I can understand
where you're about to probably go. If you're about to
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fall off the ledge. I mean, you're about to fall
off the ledge. And as Agnes pointed out, between the
Emancipation Proclamation and the rise of doctor Martin Luther King Junior,
that was one hundred years of disparity and to Bellum period,
all these things. I know. That's why I'm prefacing this
real quick. If you're about to fall off the ledge
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and somebody reaches their hand out to save you, and
you are actually say do you really care to they
war Marxist? And I say that to say that doctor
Martin Luther King came along in a time in history
where he was inserted or not necessarily thrusted into the
position that he was in so is he an unwitting
as Emory states, is he an unwitting participant in a
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larger program than he Or are you saying he actually
knew he was the grandfather per se of BLM? Is
that what I meaning?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
No?
Speaker 8 (27:27):
I think actually he was an empty vessel and was
basically an empty vessel for the social views and activism
of others like Stanley Levison who wrote his speeches and
helped draft I Have a Dream Speech, and Bayard Rusten,
who is a communist homosexual and behind the scenes.
Speaker 9 (27:42):
I think those were some of the people.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
I think King was very much an empty vessel for
those people who are more extreme behind him. But I
also wanted to mention too kind of what you're saying there.
I think King is also responsible for the current Dei
administration that so many conservatives complained about throughout schools and
especially if you look later on towards the end of
his career with the Poor People's Campaign.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
He was emphatic in describing the Poor.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
People's Campaign is essentially a uprising of Hispanics, Indians negroes
his words to call for social justice and equity throughout
the country. Now, that doesn't really sound like someone who's
an American, someone who's not a Marxist. I think that,
to me sounds like someone who's trying to corral the
non whites of the country quite frankly against the larger
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white population. And I think that's a big issue. And
I think with doctor King two, we're not going offul ledge.
I think it has to be brought up because we
have to be so honest about these various figures. Whether
it's George Washington and Andrew Jackson, we have to insist
at their slaveholders, or Christopher Columbus, we have to, you know,
kind of discuss their historical legacies. I think it's important
to do the same with King and the fact that
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he was a well known associative of communists and kind
of you.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
But let me let me things.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
I think that's important to point out.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Let me interject right here. I understand what you're doing,
and what what what my brother Steven is doing, what
what you know? Uh just gonna say, I understand and
that what you're doing is you're laying bare, You're pulling
back the layers of the onion, and you're showing the
different layers and connected tissues of doctor Martin Luther King.
But when I hear you use terms like empty vessel,
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that that's hard to my ears, that's hard to make
empty vessel.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
I believe he was an empty vessel because actually too,
if you look at doctor King, aside from his Marxist accusations,
you have to look at the serious accusations of plagiarism.
And you said at the end of this tonight, if
we should consider it calling him reverend. I think at
the end of the night, if we should even consider
calling him doctor. Because there's actually October eleventh, nineteen ninety
one article that was found in the Associated Press, which
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was from a and they cited a Boston University panel
which founds that King largely playdaris large sections of his dissertation.
And now that's not from j Edgar Hoover's FBI. These
are from left wing academics and probably one of the
most academic cities in the country, Boston, So I think
that's important to point out. So again, being an empty vessel,
he used ghostwriters like Stan Levison, he plagiarized his doctoral thesis.
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I don't think this is someone and as someone me
and aspiring academic, somebody's attending graduate school. I think plagiarism
is highly dishonorable.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
Well, as we've just learned with.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
The doctor Plautine Gay. Yes, plagiarism is a very serious matter.
Or is it because the left wing departments? She still
holds tenure with Harvard University and her plagiarism is laid there.
So we're not talking about Clauding Gay. We're talking about
doctor King and doctor King. Wasn't no stop, Nick, Well
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we're talking about doctor doctor King. Nick, we're talking about
doctor King. But you brought up an idea of legalism
that these are the reasons that you would strip him
of his doctor's degree. That being true, then it must
be done for all because guess what, injustice anywhere is
a threat to justice everywhere. So if doctor Claudine, hold on, Nick,
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don't do that. Okay, If doctor Claudine Gay is still
allowed to have her doctor's degree and her plagiarism is
absolutely horrific, I'm not so sure that I want to
hear that doctor King should be stripped of his if
we're not going to be fair about it. That's all
I wanted to say on this.
Speaker 8 (31:17):
So I just want to make up, can I can
I say something though, because you're bringing this up about
Clauding Gay and plagiarism. I mean it was the Boston
University panel conclusively four academics found that he played drars
play darives large portions of his dissertation. Now with Clauding Gay,
these acquisitions of plagiarism, when did they come out? Well,
it came up after the ten to seven attacks in Israel,
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and she refused to condemn her student's right to freedom
of speech.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Now, I believe the attacks going.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
On against Clauding Gay are actually motivated by people like
Bill Ackman, a Jewish billionaire, and others who have an
ethnic interest I think in removing these Ivy League academics
from their positions.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
Now, that's that's a separate argument, right, That's why that's.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That I need to put on the brakes. Please call
your passions so that we can get this information out.
Speaker 9 (32:04):
To find Well, I just want to count your point.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't have a point. I'm actually pointing out things
so that the audience can learn from all of you.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, ten have yes that I interject something right here?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Of course, because we have to get ready for the
part two.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
Okay, In regards to what's going on in the DEI
movement today, and what's going on with some of the
civil rights organizations a so called civil rights organization today
such as BLM and other ones, people such as Patrice
Kuhler's you got your Abram Kendries, you got the other ones.
And back in the day, even those who were against
Martin Luther King of what he was preaching, they had
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to discredit him or they wanted to discredit him so
that their movement could grow larger and larger. So quite
naturally this was the case. And they're continually to brow
that out of proportion, and they brought it so far
out of proportion to day that they want to change history.
They want to change with the birth of this nation
from seventeen seventy six to sixteen nineteen and so forth.
And so we're bringing up a lot of good points
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here today. But we got to realize that there was
an agenda behind trying to smear Martin Luther King's name. Yeah,
he might have been a little dull in the census
and got off on the wrong track in the beginning,
but he held to his beliefs even when the FBI
called him in and different other ones called him in
President Lyndon Johnson sover and told him to tone down,
and they tried to bargain with him. He held to
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his views.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
That I have a dream, you know, and he wanted.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
To see the civil rights movement progress, but he wanted
to do it none violently. Of course, those people back
in those days, the Huey P. Newton's and the stokely
Carmichaels and so forth, they wanted violence. He wanted none
violence because he thought that that was the way to
sit down at the table and to get your voice
heard and to have things done in a more peaceful
manner so that we could progress exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And so on. As we wrap up Part one, And
ladies and gentlemen, I'm sure you're on the edge of
your chair right now because Nick has a lot to say.
He's over there boiling over Nick. Ye gotta hold it together, brother,
because if you just pop like popcorn is just gonna
fly out the skill it. You ever have popcorn fly
out the skill it and nobody gets to eat it.
You know what I'm saying. Let's keep it, Steve, know
(34:16):
what I'm talking about. Let's keep it going in this direction.
This has been very interesting. And again I could have
prepared myself even deeper for this show, I decided not
to because I wanted my understanding, my upbringing of doctor
Martin Luther King, Jr. To be the tempo of what
(34:37):
I'm hearing. Again, Remember, yours truly was born and raised
on the South Side of Chicago. We were inundated, inundated
with the message, with the message. So I want to
stay virgin to this and allow you all to expouse
your ideas. I couldn't have asked for a better panel
(34:57):
than the one I have here with me now. As
we close out on part one, ladies and gentlemen, you
want to be here on Tuesday night, nine pm to
nine thirty pm so you can get part two of
this because this is where it really gets sticky yiky.
This is where we're gonna just go ahead and I
guess take off the gloves, you know, just keep it
(35:18):
civil and let's have a conversation about it. But as
we wrap up part one, I'm gonna defer to Jessica,
where are you at right now with doctor King? Is
he someone that we need to see removed from his
haughty positions? As Charlie Kirk said, Charlie Kirk said he
was deified. That's a hard term to hear or read
(35:40):
as a as a black person. And doctor Martin Luther
King Jr. Is one of the few people we can
cling to and say this was good. When I read
what my friend, and I do call him a friend,
Charlie Kirk, When I read what he wrote, I don't
read it with my mind. I read it with what
I believe it's going to come across to as the
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black community. So, Jessica, what what are your thoughts right
now as we wrap up part one?
Speaker 5 (36:09):
You know, I want to go back something that Emory said,
and I really appreciated that from him in that maybe
he started out in the wrong place, and I believe
that in some ways he really did that. He started
with this socialism and with communism, and he dabbled in
(36:29):
a lot of different things and a lot of different ideas,
and then in the in the midst of all that,
he tried to bring it all back into his Christian view.
And not all of it fit, not all of it worked.
But I think what's really important here that we are
not going to tear this man down and rewrite our history.
I have a real problem with that aspect of it.
(36:51):
That's I think we need to see things realistically for
what they are. And I think that what we teach
our children and how we even edge a kate ourselves
on things, we need to be realistic about what's really
what we're really looking for.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
But you're not going to throw the baby out with
the bathwater. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I don't think that's fair. And as an educator and
as in being in that place where I had to
teach children about this man, I needed to be I
think I had to be careful of what I was
going to say and how I said it. But I
think that it's it's a what is it that we
really want them to know about this person?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Now?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm going to defer to my brother Stephen, Stephen aka
Magahawk tear it up.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Well, Here's here's where I would beg to differ, because
we have to look at the intent as well as
the end result of what it is that people like
Martin Luther King are trying to put more. You know,
so when you look at what he's putting forth, he's
putting forth this grief and style petition. The government go
to the government. As the government beg the government, I
demand the government. We're not supposed to be going to
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government first and foremost. As a Christian. If Martin King
Tully was a Christian, which he wasn't, we would be
going to God first and foremost. But also when we
look at what he institute. He instituted the Black community
to look towards government for our end all be all.
And you look at the Black community today. This is
why I say there's a direct life of Martin Luther
King and what he's instituted then to what's going on
(38:19):
right now within the Black community. All we do is
besie big government. All we want is political power instead
of doing what book K. T. Washington talked about and
being politically not worrying about the political aspect, but being
financially independent, trying to grow our own wealth within our
own communities, and in doing so, people of other races
are going to see the importance of what it is
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that we're doing and want to naturally be a part
of our ability to thrive, to survive and thrive. So
I ultimately I think that Martin Luther King was a
detriment to the Black community and to the success of
the black community by instituting grievance among all else.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
So I'm seeing one vote that says the memory and
the elect doctor King stays, If I got you right, Stephen,
you're saying that the memory and the legacy of doctor
King needs to be re examined and dialed down or
dialed back.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
Okay, Agnes, I don't have that much knowledge about Martin
Luther King, but what I have seen, I see it
with different eyes. I didn't grow up in this country,
as you can imagine. As you can tell, I thought
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that he wanted the segregation to stop, he wanted the
people to stop, wanted labor rights and the rights to vote.
I don't know how he started, and I'm listening to
both sides. Yeah, maybe he started in the wrong way
and started with socialism ideas or Marxist ideas, and then
(39:54):
reassess the whole thing. But personally, for me, I would
like nothing more in this country than stop racism, stop
separating people by race. We are all equal, we all
bled the same. I don't judge somebody on the effect
(40:15):
on the case that they are black, or they're Latino
or Asian or blue black. I don't care. I base
I judge people on the base of their character. I
have very good friends. My best friend was black, and
I never referred to him as blacks and I'm Black's
exactly right, That's exactly right. And I never referred to
(40:37):
you as black. I never separated that because I just don't.
But I'll tell you one thing that's really sad. When
I first immigrated to the United States, this is where
I first saw what racism is. I was viewed as
a Mexican, mind you, a stupid Mexican because I couldn't
speak English when we arrived in town.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Now you're saying that's how people viewed you. That's not
what you are calling. That's what someone.
Speaker 9 (41:03):
Said about how they viewed me.
Speaker 7 (41:05):
That's how they viewed me. Yeah, and that's very offensive
because I grew up in Brazil with the Latin culture.
I love Latin culture very much. I never denied that
I'm Hungarian and I was born there. But I'll tell
you this racism, this division needs to solve. If everybody
needs to be treated for their own character and integrity,
(41:29):
who they are, their abilities, not because your great great
great grandmother was was a slave. Unfortunately we should have
never had that. But it is what it is. Were
I embrace history and learned from history.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Okay, now now you know you you you did your part, Agnes.
And you say that the racism in America is painful
to you, it's painful to all of us. I would agree, uh,
that you were viewed as a person of hispanic, you know, ancestry,
and even that brought you ray. I mean, how do
you win on that? You know, when racism and bigoti
is what it is. But my brother down here, Nick,
(42:06):
I've known him for a while. I interviewed him for
his campaign for disclosure. And if I'm getting you wrong, Nick,
stop me. But before you say your piece, I want
to frame it when it comes to doctor Martin Luther
King Jr. And the SCLC movement, the progressive movement, if
that's the term I want to use. If it was
(42:26):
intended like a butterfly effect, you know, the butterfly wings ripple,
and then it causes the title wave on the other side.
Perhaps doctor King's actions were unintended. Perhaps he meant something
else to happen, but he was used. His message was morphed. Perhaps,
And what I'm getting is, and stop me if I'm wrong, Nick,
that this entire idea of doctor Martin Luther King Junior VSIV.
(42:49):
Black Lives Matters and everything else that has come from
this in the last thirty years or so has been
an absolute detriment to the white community. Is that the
position you're taking.
Speaker 9 (43:00):
Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
I think Martin Luther King was an anti white leftist,
anti white Marxist. And I think if you look at
other people in the black community who've kind of commented
on how things were in the country prior to the
Civil Rights Movement, people like Thomas Sowell. He mentions that
there was a high level of families being intact, a
high level of employment, and other things like that. And granted,
you know, again, our history isn't perfect. But I think
(43:23):
what's happened since the Civil Rights Movement and the legacy
of doctor King, when you see what happens in black
communities all over the country, cities like Chicago and other
places have become awfully worse, and I think he played
a role in that. And also I think there's an
untold story that hasn't really been told, but other people
have done Youman's work on it, people like E. Michael Jones,
who's a Catholic scholar and historian and talks about essentially
(43:44):
what amounted to an ethnic cleansing of America's Irish, Italian,
Polish and other ethnic communities from cities like Chicago, Detroit
and other places in the after path of the race
rights and sixties, and Martin Luther King's presence in those areas,
and you know, it's it's sad, and people talk about
what happened to the old neighborhood.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
But it's something that you can you let other people finish.
Can I finish please?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yea is just very pejorative.
Speaker 8 (44:13):
Yeah, well, I know, I understand. I'm just I would
just want to finish. I mean, I just want to
say what I want to say. So I think so,
and I think the baby should be thrown out with
the bathwater. I think there are other black Americans that
African America or black Americans.
Speaker 9 (44:25):
I don't like this. You're an African American, I agree. I
think they are Black Americans that are a part of
the country.
Speaker 8 (44:30):
And I think black Americans have other people they could
look up to, people like Billy Lee, for example, and
you've never heard of his name. He was actually George
Washington's personal assistant. I mean, it was his slave, but
he actually rode with them throughout the American Revolution, helped
him through every step of the way. Was there at
some at Valley Forge, through a lot of other parts.
And then you also have and people might laugh with this,
but I think Michael Jordan. I think Michael Jordan is
(44:50):
actually a far more impressive and a far more unifying
figure than MLK was. And I say that because when
Michael Jordan had the chance, he said republic by sneakers too.
He didn't want to cause division. He's tried to be
a political figure and be someone that stands above the fold.
So I think there are other figures people can look to.
And I when I look at Martin Luther King, I
look at him as someone like Barack Obama or any
(45:12):
one of these other black grievance activists. Quite frankly, and
I think the baby should be thrown out with the bathwater.
And you know, I think if we're going to be
honest about our historical figures, we have to talk about
his plagiarism, we have to talk about his philandering, we
have to talk about all these things and say something else.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, Well, we got to get ready for part two.
I got you in a second. But Nick, you say
that he's responsible for basically like the purging of whites
from the inner city, But what about the ideation of
white flight. I mean, everything seems to be geared towards
a negative about doctor King. But as Jessica pointed out
as an educator, some of these things that have happened
(45:48):
were just part of the maelstream of the energy that
was doctor King. But as far as saying that he
intentionally purged whites from the inner cities, that was an
idea of white flight because of the idea of integration,
wouldn't you agree, Well, you.
Speaker 8 (46:03):
Know, if even ill at integration, I mean, what was
that that was, you could argue, you know, that was
big government, that was socialism, the social engineering where they
were busting people from far away communities to other communities.
It totally kind of absconded our tradition of local rule
and parochial rule in this country. So I would say that,
and I think also when you look at some of
these communities that have been affected, you know, if you
(46:23):
look at these cities like Detroit, like Chicago, why did
the whites flee? Why was their white flight? Because there
were these awful race riots. I mean, these race riots
that occurred in the sixties, they were you know, I mean,
honestly were quite frankly, what happened in the twenty twenty
was worse. We know because we have economic data and
other things to back it. Well, happened in the sixties.
Our country was totally on fire, and Martin Luther King
(46:43):
helped stoke the flames.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Okay, well, with that, I want to go ahead and
defer to Emory, ladies and gentlemen. As I said when
we started this this chat about the Dreamer, this is
going to be pretty interesting. And this is only part one,
and I'm going to let you usher us out to
commercial and then we'll we'll come back next week with
part two.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, I just wanted to add one more thing, you know,
like you got to realize that a lot of what
doctor Martin Luther King wanted to realize and what he
wanted to see come to America as far as his
views were based on equality.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
He wanted equality. He wanted the civil rights movement to
make things better for all people. He wanted our children
to be looked at by the content of their character,
of the color of their skin. But he had those
that were with him who were jealous of him, and
I'll go ahead and mention their names. You had the
Sharpens and the Jacksons and so forth. They looked at
the civil rights movement as an opportunity to make money,
(47:41):
to continue to let the good times row, because without
it they would not have any power. So they are
the ones that are out here and some of the
other people in the modern civil rights movement who want
equity rather than equality. They are basically trying to see
to it that doctor Martin Luther King's dream is destroyed
(48:03):
because it stops them from making a profit and from
also it also stops them from keeping the country united.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
There it is so ladies and gentlemen, as you've heard
so far, and I am so honored with the panel
that I have here tonight in this show that's titled
A Chat about the Dreamer. We're gonna go to commercial break,
or actually we're gonna conclude part one and we'll be
back on next Tuesday nine pm to nine thirty pm.
(48:35):
You don't want to miss it. But I'll go ahead
and close the show with a quote from doctor Martin
Luther King Junior. He said that we have great scientists,
but we don't have our souls. We have guided missiles
controlled by misguided men. This is a quote from doctor King.
I want to thank you all for being here on
(48:56):
this part. I trust that you'll be back for part two.
Do I get that bit?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yes, Outstanding ladies and gentlemen, this is your boy Kin White,
host of the South Side Unicorn Show. Listen to me.
There's no place I'd rather be. There's nothing more I'd
rather do than being right here doing this show for you.
We're out, Yeah,
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