January 23, 2025 • 41 mins
The 20th of January, 2025 is a date of special significance, as we observe history in the making as President Trump is now only the second president since President Grover Cleveland to win the office twice but not consecutively, we also mourn the loss of a president in this time, the late President Jimmy Carter and we observe the memory of the late great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. this is truly a day of days.
last year on this exact date we did a show discussing the new controversy regarding the Memory of Dr. King Jr and his place in future in history, regrettably we lost that footage and were unable to air the show made on 21, January, 2024 and by some twist off fate that footage was discovered today, we rushed to process it and share it with our audience, so please feel free to share your thoughts and input, share this,like, subscribe and donate, Thank you very much.
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last year on this exact date we did a show discussing the new controversy regarding the Memory of Dr. King Jr and his place in future in history, regrettably we lost that footage and were unable to air the show made on 21, January, 2024 and by some twist off fate that footage was discovered today, we rushed to process it and share it with our audience, so please feel free to share your thoughts and input, share this,like, subscribe and donate, Thank you very much.
so now please join me and our invited guest as we have a chat about the dreamer...
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-southside-unicorn-show--3255745/support.
"Hey! Listen to me, there's no place I'd rather be, Nothing more I'd rather do, than being right here doing this show for you"~Ken WHITE aka The Southside Unicorn.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello, everybody. It's my privilege to introduce to you all
the way from the South Side of Chicago, the Man,
the Myth, the Legend, my deel, your brother, the south
Side Unicorn.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
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said in the first.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hundred days, He's gonna let the big banks once again
write their own.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Rules, unchanged water.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They're gonna put y'all back and change.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hey. Hey, Hey, it's a boy, Knt White, host of
the South Side Unicorns, and we are back with part
two of a very very interesting chat. The chat is
titled Let's Chat about the Dreamer. We have had an
interesting conversation in part one. If you missed part one,
go ahead and go back watch that first and then
(01:19):
jump into part two. We have been very respectful to
one another, though we all have varied opinions and viewpoints
about a very important American doctor, Martin Luther King Jr.
In the beginning of the show, which was part one,
I said we would not use the title Reverend. We're
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going to let you decide that. At the end of
the show. You can chime in and make your thoughts
known at www dot The south Side Unicorns Show dot
com go ahead and leave your opinions and chats there.
Sure you all have a lot to say. I look
on the page, two hundred and forty six thousand people
had something to say about the last show we did.
(02:04):
So if I don't get back to you on that,
you know, just understand I do see them. I read everything.
I simply don't respond to everyone. So we're back and
I have my esteem panel of some of the coolest
people I know. I'm just grateful that to hear you
know what I mean. And actually, when you look at
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this panel, ladies and gentlemen, this is America. This is
who we are. So you couldn't have a better group
of people to discuss the idea or the myth of
doctor Martin Luther King Jr. Now we're in the second hand.
Now we're about to get down to the nit. Take
grit Tae Stephen aka mcahawk. You said what you said
(02:52):
about doctor Martin Luther King in part one, that he
is a Marxist, that you know, some of the stuff
he's done has not been so cool for the African
American people. Where do you see us going into the
election of twenty twenty four and beyond. If what you're
saying is true about doctor King, but you didn't say
you want to see him thrown out with the bathwater.
(03:12):
That was Nick that said that. We'll be getting to you, brother.
Where do you see us going twenty twenty four with
this new conversation about an American icon, doctor Martin Luther
King Junior.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Well, if you could, if you can provide a little clarity,
like what exactly do you mean, where do you see
us going?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Okay, if we destroy or tear down as and Nick,
I'm just having fun with you, So don't think I'm
being you know, negative here Nick says, throw the man
out with the bathwater. Just be done with doctor Martin
Luther King Junior. He was a charlatan, a plagiarist, a
philanderis he was just a rotten apple. So why do
we need this man trying to lead? Did it get
(03:56):
you wrong?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Did it get you wrong? Okay, it is there it
is the man said, I got him right. So with
that kind of an idea, if things should take if
that should take hold, do you see what I'm saying now?
If that should take hold, absolutely, what do you what
do you see going forward? I mean, because non violence
is going to go with him. Ladies and gentlemen, you
gotta realize that you throw out the man that expoused
(04:19):
nonviolence was left.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Well, here's the thing I mean. I think the theory
of non violence is you know that and of itself
is another communist tactic, that non violence versus violence. You know,
you have the non vioence quote unquote that in front
of people yelling, screaming but I'm not touching you, that
is considered quote unquote nonviolent. And you see that especially
with the DLM movement nowadays, where they can get in
your face, screech and yell and block free ways and
(04:43):
all that that technically is indeed nonviolent. So just because
it's non violent doesn't mean it's gonna uh it's something
that's beneficial for your movement or beneficial for America at large.
But at the end of the day, I think if
we get rid of Martin Luther King, we're not doing
anything terrible. We're not doing anything harmful at all. If
we propped up people like Thomas Soul, we propped up
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people like Larry Elderf, we popped up people like Booker T.
Washington and Frederick Douglass. I think black America at large
would be in a whole better place than we are
right now instead of thinking at grievance. Instead of as
Shadow Jackson said, we became. We went from a trying
race to a crying race instead of being people who
a spouse grievance and victimology and oppression to put on
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the sack cloth and that'ses and crying well and beg
the federal government to do everything we would do for
ourselves as Booker T. Washington wanted us to do. We
would do for ourselves. We would be a fruitful layer
bucket where we are and and move forward towards the
future and doing something for ourselves, and people will see again,
people will see the benefit of what it is that
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we are doing and want to be a part of
it naturally, instead of forcing people do U integration to
naturally to be a part of what it is that
we had going on.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And as I was listening to you mcgahawk, a k
A Stephen or a ka a Stephen mckahawk, you know
what I'm saying, because they're both interchangeable. When you do
like this, you know there's one secret about me. I'm
always patriotic and then you just turned it to the hawk, right,
you know. You know, as you were saying that, I
was remembering my childhood, and I'm sure Emory is remembering his.
(06:21):
I grew up on the South side of Chicago, and
there was a store called Jesse's Store. There was a
tavern called Tanks Tavern. There was a cleaners called Jesse's Cleaners.
All over the little corner in my neighborhood. And guess what,
all those businesses were owned by blacks. That was That
was my community. That was what I understood. That's that's
(06:43):
what I grew up with.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You know, you go over to the grocery store, and
the ways Jesse worked it out was if you were
a little short on money, you could just write him
on a piece of paper, I'll pay you next week,
hand that to him, and Jesse would slice you off
some meat and take it on home, wrapped up in paper,
you know what I mean. So I understand what you're
saying that h perhaps segregation, I mean, the integration might
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not have been the best thing for everyone. It might
not have been. I understand that the socialistic movement of
integration and all this stuff might have been harmful, But
at the same time that doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
Was doing his bus boycott, there were black owned bus businesses,
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and I just I don't know if you all are
aware of that, but there were there were black owned
bus businesses, having as many as four hundred buses. Now,
why is it that during the doctor Martin Luther King
bus boycott, why didn't these black owned bus companies come
forward and start picking people up? Do you see what
I'm saying? There's a and as I was saying to
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you in the second in the first part, that's what
I'm saying. There's a duality to everything we're saying about
doctor King. Yes, there were black owned businesses, but yet
I saw more more people in cars pick the nurses
up in the cleaning lady, so they didn't have to
ride those buses. Do you see what I'm saying? And
they would get them to their jobs. Where were these
black bus companies helping doctor Martin Luther King get that done?
(08:12):
And literally they would have picked up a built their clientele.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
If I could, If I could just on that, I
think the Montgomery bus boycott was one of the most
successful things of the civil rights or civil rights movement
because we showcased that we can do for ourselves if
we just put our mind to it. You know, the
bus boycott went along well over a year, right, and
the city lost.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think it was in.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Our in our money about thirty thousand dollars a day, right,
and three thousand dollars in their at that time. So
when we look at the Montgomery bus boycott, it's actually
in genius. When we created our first uber, we created
the first uber, right, and we had people picking up
other people. We were circulating the money within the black community,
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giving our dollars to our fellow neighbor for giving us
a right getting bicycles and doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So we showcap our own resilience.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And finally, once the city lost enough money, they're like, okay,
we can take this batter up again. So I give up,
my give up, My give up a great thing that
we did exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You can ride the bus again, yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Then don't jump back off the buses like a bunch
of idiots exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So I hope I didn't stop you from making your point.
Is that your point on that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I think that was the best thing that we possibly
could do for ourselves with Montgomery bus Boycott. I think
that was absolutely brilliant and successful and beneficial for the
blackamun to.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Steal a word from the contributing factor that you have.
That was a turning point in America. Hello, So now Jessica,
the mic is on you. What do you see going
forward with this new as we even because what you know,
Charlie Kirk was right about one thing. I won't say
that doctor King was a deity or that we had
(10:00):
deified him, but he was. He was, and now that's
not true as of this last Memorial day of him.
Now that we've dared to touch the veil of doctor King,
now that we've we've reached up there and tried to
pull on it and tugging on it, we're tugging on it.
Where do you see us going? What do you what
is he coming from this as an educator, as a
(10:21):
professional and a politician.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
That's I think that's the question, to be honest with you,
I think that's the question. I mean, we've had such
a great discussion the first you know, from last week,
what a great discussion on this, and now moving forward,
that really is the question, where are we going to
go with this? How do we deal with this. Being
an educator and certainly looking at this from that perspective,
(10:46):
I'm going to take that hat first. You know, we're
taught he was the leader, he was the person who
brought inspiration. He brought inspiration to the table on these issues,
and so as the educator, and what essentially we were
taught as educators to teach our children was the same
(11:10):
aspect of you know, leaders can inspire change, So we
want to teach our children to be leaders to inspire
those kinds of changes. I think that we have to.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Well, okay, let's take this, let's take a look at this.
Let's just say for the sake of when we're looking
at education that certainly we need to be truthful about
what we're doing. But I think that we also need
to you know, Martin Luther King said something and it's
something that kind of what has always stuck with me
(11:49):
and is that darkness cannot drive out darkness.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Only light can do that. And I think we need
to hold that true. I mean, I think it kind
of goes back Stephen a little bit about what you're saying.
We need to hold of that, we need to hold
to you know, what are we putting forward, we put
are we just piling darkness on top of darkness?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Or we can bring a light to what to what.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
To what's really happening here? And I think that that just,
you know, that's just truly what the question is. And
I think that sometimes maybe we are all going to
have different opinions or our observations or perspectives of who
this man is. We all do, but I think that
the ultimate question is in his in in Martin Luther
(12:40):
King Junior's words, you know, darkness cannot drive away darkness.
It just can't round.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. We as we quote
excerpts from doctor Martin Luther King Jr. It's difficult for me,
or should I say, for even the lay person to
dovetail in all these other facets that are being brought
up about him, plagiarism, this, that, the other thing, because
we were fed a platitude of these type of profound
witticisms from doctor Martin Luther King Jr. And with that,
(13:12):
I think, in all fairness, at this point we need
to go ahead and go up here to Nick Nick,
the question still remains, if we throw the baby out
with the bathwater, as you suggest we should. What do
you see twenty twenty four going forward? What world are
we making with that?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
When I see a new broadcast from the South Side Unicorn,
I can't wait to listen to it.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
But you just never know what he's gonna say.
Speaker 9 (13:47):
Well, I think I kind of agree with Steven in
the sense that you need to kind of I think
for Black Americans and kind of their historical reckoning of
Martin Luther King, I think they need to kind of
reorient or reframe who their heroes are in that community.
Think that would require them to maybe educate themselves on
their history. And like I mentioned earlier, I think there
are people they can look to, people like Billy Lee,
who is a close associated. I mean he was Washington's slave, yes,
(14:10):
but you know again that would simplify it. He served
with Washington on his campaigns, he was his footman. He
was with him at the most critical points of the
American Revolution. So to say he didn't provide Washington with
some level of aid or comfort and that their relationship,
But I think isn't some kind of signifier of a
kind of close, maybe often complicated relationship, but one that
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is close and there's a level of understanding between white
Americans and Black Americans that I think MLK greatly contributed
to breaking some of that understanding. And I think if
you look at the last fifty or sixty years, it's
been very negative between our two communities, particularly in the
twenty twenty riots. And I want to say this too.
I think, you know, like mister McClendon was saying, and
(14:52):
I think Agnes was saying too, they talk about dividing people. Unfortunately,
we're human beings. Race is a reality. I think there's
and I don't think that's something we high from. I think,
for example, you know, they have a saying black is beautiful.
I think black is beautiful, White is right, brown is
all oh good. You know, it's all okay with what
you want to believe, and there's nothing wrong with being
proud of your racial heritage. So I think to kind
(15:12):
of run away from these questions, that's why we keep
having tension. Because I personally, and I'll just be honest,
as a white person, you know, it's like, hey, well,
you know we're all united and we're not all divided. Well,
it's kind of hard to tell me that when I'm
seeing these out of proportion murder rates black on white
crime going on throughout the country. And I'm just speaking
honestly as a white person, and I don't mean to,
(15:33):
you know, disparage or pain a whole community the wrong way.
But you know, if you're asking me to speak freely,
that's supporting me on the first limitment.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That's how I feel. And I'll think that. But this
is your time, this is your time.
Speaker 9 (15:44):
This is what And I was wrapping up and saying,
and I've said a lot on this, but with doctor King,
you know, I've said a lot about him, but I
will say this too, just finishing up. I do believe,
like I said, that everyone has the right to be
proud of their ethnic or racial heritage. And I think
as a white person, we have right to be proud
of our heritage as Europeans. And I think Agnes you'd agree.
I'm not saying you have the job nessor e anything
(16:05):
I'm saying, but you're from Hustrey. Hungarians have a great pass,
a great history, one that I'm very familiar with. And
as an American, I'm very proud of my Anglo Saxon roots.
I'm very proud of my Germanic ancestry, and I think
as Black Americans should be proud of their ancestry. And
I think rather than trying to, you know, pick at
each other all the time and say, well, you know,
(16:26):
George Washington's a slaveholder, or this is this is this,
maybe we could just you know, acknowledge that these people
are complicated figures in in our own communities. They have
different resonance. And I think maybe that would be the
best place to leave it at the moment. And that's
just kind of where I'll leave it at. And I
don't know if that satisfies everyone, but that's just kind
of my point.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Brother, you spoke your mind. And when you spoke your mind,
I mean, I understand that some people are going to say, oh, man,
he's a racist. This man is not a racist per
se in the way that they want to say it
in a negative pejorative. If I'm not mistaken, If they
thought you would be the first person to use the
N word, you're actually the first person to use the
(17:04):
W word. Am I right?
Speaker 9 (17:07):
What do you mean by the W word?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The wig?
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Yeah, well yes I will. I am wiggers. And if
you look, wiggers are set in the culture. Jake Paul
Sam Hyde. So you know, we're out there. So I'm
just saying, you know, and I but like on a
truthfull note. I mean, it really does make you back
because you know people say that to me too. It's like, well,
how can you have these feelings on crime or George
Floyd and Martin Luther King. Look, I can like music,
I could like future, I could like Kanye West, and
(17:33):
I don't need to endorse the sixteen nineteen revisionist version
of America, you know, And that's just kind of where I.
I think it's all part of the platter. So that's
just kind of where I stand on it. And you know,
that's just kind of how I view things, and that's
just my stance.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So that's right. So you know, and Agnes, and you know,
I'm getting to you in just a second here, and
but I gotta ask you a question, Nick, based on
what you're saying. I don't want to call it. I
don't want to title it segregationist. That's not the word
I want to use. But I do hear some separatism
in there, and that's okay. Tribalism is what I hear.
So when you speak the way you are, and we're
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on the heels of the Super Bowl. I understand it.
At the Super Bowl, they're actually going to play the
Black National Anthem before the national anthem. Given what you're
saying that you believe in this, this separate but equal
type of thing. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
Yes, well, that is something I guess you can maybe
call me a hypocrite here, but that is something I
think I'm not a fan of. And it's just because
I think, to be honest, this black national anthem, just
like the holiday Juneteenth, I don't feel like that's a natural,
genuine expression of positive black feeling. I think that's actually
more of a stick a to whitey anti white sentiment.
(18:45):
Just to be honest, and I am speaking, I'm just
being honest. And you know, like because like I said,
I view blacks as a part of the American story,
and I mentioned there we are not soldiers in the
Civil War. Again, maybe not as much as you know,
I think some left being historians, we can debate that,
but they're blacks that fought in the Civil War. There
were blacks that were in the American Revolution. Next to Washington,
A lot of blacks did become loyalists with the British
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but we could talk about these things. But there's a
whole discussion. But nonetheless the relationship is complicated. But my
whole point is I think doctor King has actually done
more to sow division between ourselves. And I also want
to point this out too, and I'll exend on this,
Doctor King and the civil rights movement actually had a
very large impact on our immigration policy in this country
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because during the Civil Rights movement there was the nineteen
sixty five hard Sellar Act which was passed, which was
also passed under the auspices of, oh, we need to
you know, show the Soviet Union that we're not racist
and we need to unite the world. And I think
that's important because if you look at the relationship between
black and white, you know, there have been problems, and
there have been issues, and I think, how the hell
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are we going to cross all these bridges when we're
adding new ingredients to the American melting pot so to speak,
you know what I mean, if we can't even let
black and the white simmer and get a flavor there
when we add Mexican and a and this and that
and all that together to where it's an incoherent mass.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now I hear what you're saying that. I hear you
in your own a role there, But you brought me
into the segue to talk into Agnes. The illegal immigration,
the piggyback of certain rights that were afforded or intended
to be afforded to the African American people, the thirteenth,
the fourteenth, and the fifteenth Amendments, which were basically hijacked
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by the Socialist movement and bringing forth one of the
most incredible illegal immigration systems I've ever seen in my life.
That brings me to Agnes Gibney and Angel Mam dubbed
so by President Donald J. Trump himself. Agnes, if we
do change the memory of doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
As we know it, what do you see going forward? Well,
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how do you see that helping or hurting America?
Speaker 8 (20:50):
You know, personally, I wouldn't change the image of Martin
Luther King. It is what it is. History is done.
You can't change what happened before you learn from it. Personally,
I think that Jesse Jackson and l. Sharpen has done
an incredible amount of damage to the black community themselves.
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They exploited the black community, and I despise them.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like no other.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Yes, and that breaks my heart honestly for the black community.
And I would hope that someone like my friend Larry
Elder would be an incredible voice for the black community
to educate, inform and help them come out of where
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they are because they have been oppressed. They just don't
know how to get out of it and don't have
any means to get out of it. So they little
kids grow up with this hatred of police officers, hatred
of whites, hatred of other races. And we have to
stop doing that. We have to stop hating on each
other because we all belied the same. And UH be
(22:03):
more giving. And I don't think anybody should lose your heritage. Uh,
embrace your heritage where you come from. I will never forget.
And uh this own my country of birth. I am
divided into three because my heart belongs in Brazil. I
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love the Latin culture that's where I grew up. But
I love and respect the United States. Right now, not
so much with the immigration and the political standard we
are living. It's becoming very difficult for me to respect
this country. And uh, and it.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Breaks Yes, let me just interject right there, Agnes, you
are one of the most patriotic patriots I've ever known.
I mean, you, you earned the right to be an American.
You went through the testing and the waiting. You came
into America the right way.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
I am as sadly as I feel about it. I
have a tremendous disrespect for these countries government right now,
because they are it's a disgrace. We are swimming pretty
much in socialism. And I didn't pledge allegiance to defend
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this country against foreign and domestic invaders, in shed blood
for this country, and our politicians are not pledging that
allegiance to this country. And it breaks my heart. And
I'm feeling very divided right now. And I hate to
say that. Maybe I'm more of an emotional state right now,
because you know, a week and a half, only twenty
(23:44):
eight would have been my son's fifty first birthday. It's
always a very, very difficult time. But I can I'm
not the only angel mom. There are thousands of other
victims out there, and our government doesn't care. And our
children only six feet under as in, our government does
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nothing for it. I'm not asking for help, but when
I heard that Biden wanted to give five hundred thousand
to illegal aliens that were deported. What about the guy
that killed my son? He was released from president early
and got deported. Why should he get four hundred thousand?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That breaks my heart? I mean on so many levels.
And those of you who are watching this show, you
really need to make contact with Agnes. Agnes, can you
tell them how to get in touch with you? Please?
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Yes? My email is Angel Mom Agnes A g n
e s at gmail dot com. I am on Facebook
as Agnes Gibbini and also on Twitter as angel Mom
Agnes Gibbiny. I use my name. I don't hide behind anything.
I support President Trump a million percent and he is
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the only solution for this country to.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Be clear time. So my heart hurts, Agnes when I
hear what you say, and I want the American people
to understand what must be going on in our country
for a absolute patriot like Agnes giving me to say
the words that she said on this show today. I'm
going to defer to you, Emory the idea of doctor
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Martin Luther King Jr. Do we keep him, do we
let it go? And if so, what do you see
from twenty twenty four going forward with that idea.
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He's just getting started. O.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Can I have a couple of things to say about that.
I think, first of all, we need to keep the
idea of Martin Luther King going strong because without it,
look what would have happened in the black community. And
we see what happened in the black community. They didn't
follow his dream. We haven't seen things progress, but we've
seen more people become dependent. We've seen more broken homes,
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more broken families. The civil rights movement has been turned
upside down.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I want to say you a couple of things. Here.
We talk about Martin Luther King being a bad apple,
but what about and because he was a socialist or
he may have gotten taken into socialism, but what about
people like Barack Obama who are a viowed socialist. And
not only that, but he also signed with Islam and
everything else. Okay, so they considered it to be bad apples,
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you know? And and and why is socialism good for
them but not good for Martin Luther King? Even though
I don't think that Martin Luther King was really a
vile socialist. And is it really Martin Luther King's fault
that the black community has not progressed? No, it's not
his fault. It's mostly the black people because they have
become dependent. I know scores and scores and scores of
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black people who love being on welfare. They're always trying
to figure out. They spend twenty four hours a day
Internet trying to find out ways.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Stop. I got and I understand everybody's gonna get there.
Say that I'm getting myself together. Guys, hold away, let
me take it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Hey, I'm telling them like it is.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You say they love being on the on the on
the system, really.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And I said, I know, friends, relatives and everybody else.
That's all they do. And every time I talk to
one of my relatives or some friends or that restaurant
or if I'm out and about because I'm a you know,
a politically motivated person here, I'm a community activist. I
want to get I want to get well. Can you
tell me how to get this free? This, that and
the other. Now I'm getting off topic a little bit,
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But the thing of it is what kind of position
does socialism of paint on America? It paints a very
bad picture because socialists never worked anywhere where it was
ever tried. Same thing with communism. All it leads behind
is a trail of death and a trail of poverty
and so forth and dependency. It never works. And then
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you know, you got to realize too. And the Martin
Luther King shined the light on America, but the switch
was turned off by others who didn't like his point
of view and couldn't make a profit for what he
wanted to do. But I'll say one more thing that
it's okay to have pride in your ancestry and to
be proud of who you are, but not to the
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extent where you put your country down and you don't
want to protect and defend the constitution of America. America
is the greatest nation that ever appeared on the face
of this earth. It has afforded more people freedom than
any other country in the world. So why not go
toward making America a great nation? Us being together, united
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is one and moving forward. And like you said, moving
forward in twenty twenty four, we have to ask ourselves
a question, what do Americans really want? The average American
wants to go to work, wants to come home, wants
to be with family. He wants to feed his family,
or he or she also wants to live a good life.
They don't want all this strife and this turmoil. They
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don't want this bickering back and forth about what leader
was bad or what leader wasn't. We want to move
forward and make each general better and better than the
previous generation. And that's what I can see. We need
to keep this thing rolling because Martin Huster King, believe
it or not, brought a lot of inspiration to our predecessors,
to your grandmother, to your mother, to your father, and
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then all of a sudden, we want to cut this
thing off and say things. It needs to be changed,
and we need to go into DEI. We need to
go into the sixteen nineteen projects. We need to go
into a critical race theory. The answer is absolutely not.
We need to continue on in the movement towards equality,
not equity.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, that was well said, Henry. I wish it was
something that I had said, Please forgive me for the
you know, the doocular activity there. But I wasn't ready
for that. Brother. You brought the noise because, as Agnes
was saying, you know, the immigration which sadly took the
life of her son and his birthday is about to
come around in March twenty eighth.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Am I right, Agnes, now, January twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
January twenty eighth. And this is a lot, you know
when you think that no matter which way we've tried
to move this country, the true socialists, the true Marxist,
the enemies of our republic have always glomed on to
it and hijacked it and morphed it into what they needed.
The thirteenth, the fourteenth, the fifteenth amendments have been bastardized
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and used to bring forth and immigration that is going
to I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen
with that, ladies and gentlemen. So I'm hearing everybody here,
Jessica from the Collegiate Educational Prospect, thank you for your input.
Very sound, very awesome. I'm going to say, as a
glass half full of half empty with you, as far
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as your final words are you half full of half
empty with where we are in this nation.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
I am like Agnes, I'm I'm very discouraged with what
I see. I agree with you, Emerson. I mean, we
have to move forward. And I have I have a
thing on the back of my truck and it's a
picture of the American flag, and underneath it it says,
this is my pride flag because I want us to
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be united. I want us to be united under one flag.
I want us to come together. I don't care what color.
As a Native American, I want that's my flag, that's
my flag, that's my country. And you and you and
we are all Americans and we have to come together
and move together. And that and I think that when
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we look at his speech, his his my dream speech,
it was that we as whether it was Jewish Protestant whatever,
that we could come together, hold our hands and move forward.
I think that was really the bottom line of that speech,
and I think we don't want to throw that away.
We would be long to throw that away.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Let's get framed, right, Stephen, Stephen, half empty, half full?
This is easier last words as we wrap up the show.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Yeah, I'm I'm half empty right now. The outlook of things,
the prognosis doesn't look good, but I am still going
to fight for America with everything that I got. This
is the last bashion of hope. If this fails, where
the heck do we go? I ain't going to China.
I heard religious free to make so good out there.
(33:24):
I'm not going to Dad going to Mexico because I'm
not trying to be ruled by the cartels. I'm not
going to Canada, whether there's no two way, right, I
ain't saying right here in America, I'm gonna fight for America.
You believe for America and Dad going to That's what
we're gonna do. We're gonna get our country back on track,
hopefully if we can, and if we're not, we're going
to go down swinging.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Make America great again, or bust. That's simple. That's it, Nick,
Half half full?
Speaker 12 (33:51):
I agree exactly, Nick Brother, Sorry, yeah, yeah, I know
I got to make America great again. Hat I'm empty,
but I'd like to be half full because I believe
President Trump is accumulating so much momentum right now and
everything's just falling apart throughout the world. You see what's
going on in the Middle East and Ukraine, all these
other places. His leadership has just led to chaos and
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a deterioration of the world order. Our country is falling
apart if they if Biden wins again, I mean it's obvious,
it's theft.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I'll just leave it at that. But you know, we
just think away off the unite behind President Trump. He
is the greatest American I think since George Washington. And
I just want to say before I go, I took
a skateboard to the head for President Trump. I know,
if you could see that scar, Yeah, I take that
with a lot of pride. Though they couldn't knock me out.
So with love of my president, love my country sustained me.
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So I'm going hard for President Trump, my third time
voting for him.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So I'm ready. You want them hard, White boys. You
know what I'm saying, skateboarding don't stop you.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I feel exorry for the guy to hit you with
the skateboard. To be honest, I.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Probably got a broken wrist exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You know what I'm saying. He tough. How the chef
say it In the real Chef with Richard Royaldtree, he said, ooh,
there was some tough white boys. You know what I'm saying.
So I got you. I got you, Nick. I want
to thank all of you all for being here, ladies
and gentlemen. We did a cursory touch on the idea
of doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. I left the title
Reverend off on purpose, as you know from part one,
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and I'm leaving it off in part two. I'm leaving
it off because even myself yours truly, I'm going to
delve a little bit deeper. I read a paper where
they said he even tried to say that Jesus Christ
wasn't real. But as I read more into it, I
understand what he was saying. The Lord Jesus Christ tells
us to worship him in the spirit and not in
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the flesh, and Doctor King. Sometimes people can go forty
thousand feet over your head. He wasn't saying that there
was no Jesus Christ. He would simply saying that the
idea of Jesus Christ upon the resurrection was his spirit.
And even that ended up being morphed embasstardized to castigate
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this great man. We have to be careful what we digest,
what we take in, and how we put it back out.
I am grateful to this esteemed panel and group of people.
Couldn't have asked for a better group of people to
discuss it. But for those of us, the lay people,
when you get this information, when you see Charlie Kirk's
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show and his paper, when you see my ed on it,
take it all in and find the balance in it.
Don't go out there say that, oh, Charlie Kirk is
a racist. And you know, Charlie Kirk is now on
Charlie Kirk and a cracker factory. You know, even though
my man Nick says he don't mind being called a cracker.
You know what I'm saying, It's okay, It's all right.
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This is our country, as Jessica said, And my pride
flag is the one that's behind my brother Stephen right there.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
American and I look at it this way too Prolily
Kurk did the same thing that I did when I
first began to study about Martin Luther King. I'm then
went off the rails. I had a train wreck, and
then I decided to research it and look at it
closer and found out that, hey, a lot of what
we hear about Martin Luther King is misunderstood, misinformation, and
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we need to do our research and come around and
realize that this nation would be a pot lot better
off with what he proposed than going around stabbing him
in the back about the things that we hear as rumors.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And that's what I was wrapping up for lady, and
then we've run out of time. Emory, that was a
well put spot in there, thank you. That's my point.
And you see me pounding my desk, I mean all
this noise, sorry about that guy. That's my point. There's
two gentlemen in this room right now that have gray hair.
There's two gentlemen in this room that don't have great hair,
And we got two beautiful women with us, those of
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us that you would call OG's that would be me
and Emory. We have a different idea about doctor Martin
Luther King than you, young lions, do take him with
you into the future. After all, the twenty second century
is barely sixty five years away. So please take doctor
Martin Luther King Jr. Into the future. If you have
to reframe him a little bit. Okay, fine, but he
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did more good than he did harm. That's my opinion
as the host of this show. There are those of
you who are clearly going to disagree with that, and
you'll have your time to respond because I'll send you
the link to the show. There'll be hundreds of people
that are going to join in and give you their
opinion of what you said. Feel free to interact with
them at any given time. Again, as we wrap up
(38:37):
the show, please let people know how to get in
touch with you, because this one's on its way into
the Can Jessica start with you?
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Jessica Rutan and my email address. I'm sorry, Ken, I
didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, go ahead and show people. Let people know how
to get in touch with you.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm at Jay Rutan. Are you t A
N Aubrey at Aubreydog dot com a U B R
E Y d O G dot com.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Outstanding Agnes once again.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Yes, my email is angel Mom Agnes A. G n
Ees at gmail dot com and I'm also on Facebook
by the same name Agnes Gibbeny Steven.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
You can find me on Instagram at Stephen Davis at
seventeen seventy well at Stephen Davis seventeen seventy six and
Twitter at Stephen d seventeen seventy six, So you can
find my email Stephen dot Davis at Lordhead versus Stephen
dot Davis at bp U s A dot com. I'm
gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Right, that's all right. Hey, you know what we're doing
this naturally is it was just a conversation and a chat.
So there it is. Emory, how do people get in
touch with you?
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They can get a hold of me on Twitter at
KB nine iv W. That's k B nine ib W.
They can get a hold of me on Facebook at
Emory E. M.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
E R W.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
MC.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I also do a lot of writing and media appearances
for Project twenty one, the Heritage Foundation and Tea Party Patriots.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
There it is. But don't talk to Emory if you
want something for free, because you ain't gonna get it,
That's right, Nick. How do people get in touch with you, brother,
that's funny, Sorry about that.
Speaker 12 (40:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
No, To get to test me, just go to my
Instagram at Nick dot Torus forty at Nick dot Torris forty.
I do write on political events there from time to
time and do some live streams, did book reviews. But
I'm actually going to be taking a break from activism
and things like that for the next year because I'm
actually attending graduate school again. So I'm very excited about that,
trying to pursue my master's degree in history and hopefully
(40:46):
my doctorate with an emphasis on German, American and Mexican
relations in World War One.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
So it's kind of one.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Of my gratulations and good luck on that, brother, Thank you,
and you know yours truly. You can find me at
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Hello, everybody. It's my privilege to introduce to you all
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
And what the clos Romney wants to let it He
said in the first.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hundred days, He's gonna let the big banks once again
write their own.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
Rules, unchanged water.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
They're gonna put y'all back and change.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hey. Hey, Hey, it's a boy, Knt White, host of
the South Side Unicorns, and we are back with part
two of a very very interesting chat. The chat is
titled Let's Chat about the Dreamer. We have had an
interesting conversation in part one. If you missed part one,
go ahead and go back watch that first and then
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jump into part two. We have been very respectful to
one another, though we all have varied opinions and viewpoints
about a very important American doctor, Martin Luther King Jr.
In the beginning of the show, which was part one,
I said we would not use the title Reverend. We're
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going to let you decide that. At the end of
the show. You can chime in and make your thoughts
known at www dot The south Side Unicorns Show dot
com go ahead and leave your opinions and chats there.
Sure you all have a lot to say. I look
on the page, two hundred and forty six thousand people
had something to say about the last show we did.
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So if I don't get back to you on that,
you know, just understand I do see them. I read everything.
I simply don't respond to everyone. So we're back and
I have my esteem panel of some of the coolest
people I know. I'm just grateful that to hear you
know what I mean. And actually, when you look at
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this panel, ladies and gentlemen, this is America. This is
who we are. So you couldn't have a better group
of people to discuss the idea or the myth of
doctor Martin Luther King Jr. Now we're in the second hand.
Now we're about to get down to the nit. Take
grit Tae Stephen aka mcahawk. You said what you said
(02:52):
about doctor Martin Luther King in part one, that he
is a Marxist, that you know, some of the stuff
he's done has not been so cool for the African
American people. Where do you see us going into the
election of twenty twenty four and beyond. If what you're
saying is true about doctor King, but you didn't say
you want to see him thrown out with the bathwater.
(03:12):
That was Nick that said that. We'll be getting to you, brother.
Where do you see us going twenty twenty four with
this new conversation about an American icon, doctor Martin Luther
King Junior.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Well, if you could, if you can provide a little clarity,
like what exactly do you mean, where do you see
us going?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Okay, if we destroy or tear down as and Nick,
I'm just having fun with you, So don't think I'm
being you know, negative here Nick says, throw the man
out with the bathwater. Just be done with doctor Martin
Luther King Junior. He was a charlatan, a plagiarist, a
philanderis he was just a rotten apple. So why do
we need this man trying to lead? Did it get
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you wrong?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Did it get you wrong? Okay, it is there it
is the man said, I got him right. So with
that kind of an idea, if things should take if
that should take hold, do you see what I'm saying now?
If that should take hold, absolutely, what do you what
do you see going forward? I mean, because non violence
is going to go with him. Ladies and gentlemen, you
gotta realize that you throw out the man that expoused
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nonviolence was left.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Well, here's the thing I mean. I think the theory
of non violence is you know that and of itself
is another communist tactic, that non violence versus violence. You know,
you have the non vioence quote unquote that in front
of people yelling, screaming but I'm not touching you, that
is considered quote unquote nonviolent. And you see that especially
with the DLM movement nowadays, where they can get in
your face, screech and yell and block free ways and
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all that that technically is indeed nonviolent. So just because
it's non violent doesn't mean it's gonna uh it's something
that's beneficial for your movement or beneficial for America at large.
But at the end of the day, I think if
we get rid of Martin Luther King, we're not doing
anything terrible. We're not doing anything harmful at all. If
we propped up people like Thomas Soul, we propped up
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people like Larry Elderf, we popped up people like Booker T.
Washington and Frederick Douglass. I think black America at large
would be in a whole better place than we are
right now instead of thinking at grievance. Instead of as
Shadow Jackson said, we became. We went from a trying
race to a crying race instead of being people who
a spouse grievance and victimology and oppression to put on
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the sack cloth and that'ses and crying well and beg
the federal government to do everything we would do for
ourselves as Booker T. Washington wanted us to do. We
would do for ourselves. We would be a fruitful layer
bucket where we are and and move forward towards the
future and doing something for ourselves, and people will see again,
people will see the benefit of what it is that
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we are doing and want to be a part of
it naturally, instead of forcing people do U integration to
naturally to be a part of what it is that
we had going on.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
And as I was listening to you mcgahawk, a k
A Stephen or a ka a Stephen mckahawk, you know
what I'm saying, because they're both interchangeable. When you do
like this, you know there's one secret about me. I'm
always patriotic and then you just turned it to the hawk, right,
you know. You know, as you were saying that, I
was remembering my childhood, and I'm sure Emory is remembering his.
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I grew up on the South side of Chicago, and
there was a store called Jesse's Store. There was a
tavern called Tanks Tavern. There was a cleaners called Jesse's Cleaners.
All over the little corner in my neighborhood. And guess what,
all those businesses were owned by blacks. That was That
was my community. That was what I understood. That's that's
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what I grew up with.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You know, you go over to the grocery store, and
the ways Jesse worked it out was if you were
a little short on money, you could just write him
on a piece of paper, I'll pay you next week,
hand that to him, and Jesse would slice you off
some meat and take it on home, wrapped up in paper,
you know what I mean. So I understand what you're
saying that h perhaps segregation, I mean, the integration might
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not have been the best thing for everyone. It might
not have been. I understand that the socialistic movement of
integration and all this stuff might have been harmful, But
at the same time that doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
Was doing his bus boycott, there were black owned bus businesses,
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and I just I don't know if you all are
aware of that, but there were there were black owned
bus businesses, having as many as four hundred buses. Now,
why is it that during the doctor Martin Luther King
bus boycott, why didn't these black owned bus companies come
forward and start picking people up? Do you see what
I'm saying? There's a and as I was saying to
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you in the second in the first part, that's what
I'm saying. There's a duality to everything we're saying about
doctor King. Yes, there were black owned businesses, but yet
I saw more more people in cars pick the nurses
up in the cleaning lady, so they didn't have to
ride those buses. Do you see what I'm saying? And
they would get them to their jobs. Where were these
black bus companies helping doctor Martin Luther King get that done?
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And literally they would have picked up a built their clientele.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
If I could, If I could just on that, I
think the Montgomery bus boycott was one of the most
successful things of the civil rights or civil rights movement
because we showcased that we can do for ourselves if
we just put our mind to it. You know, the
bus boycott went along well over a year, right, and
the city lost.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I think it was in.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Our in our money about thirty thousand dollars a day, right,
and three thousand dollars in their at that time. So
when we look at the Montgomery bus boycott, it's actually
in genius. When we created our first uber, we created
the first uber, right, and we had people picking up
other people. We were circulating the money within the black community,
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giving our dollars to our fellow neighbor for giving us
a right getting bicycles and doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So we showcap our own resilience.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
And finally, once the city lost enough money, they're like, okay,
we can take this batter up again. So I give up,
my give up, My give up a great thing that
we did exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You can ride the bus again, yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Then don't jump back off the buses like a bunch
of idiots exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So I hope I didn't stop you from making your point.
Is that your point on that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I think that was the best thing that we possibly
could do for ourselves with Montgomery bus Boycott. I think
that was absolutely brilliant and successful and beneficial for the
blackamun to.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Steal a word from the contributing factor that you have.
That was a turning point in America. Hello, So now Jessica,
the mic is on you. What do you see going
forward with this new as we even because what you know,
Charlie Kirk was right about one thing. I won't say
that doctor King was a deity or that we had
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deified him, but he was. He was, and now that's
not true as of this last Memorial day of him.
Now that we've dared to touch the veil of doctor King,
now that we've we've reached up there and tried to
pull on it and tugging on it, we're tugging on it.
Where do you see us going? What do you what
is he coming from this as an educator, as a
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professional and a politician.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
That's I think that's the question, to be honest with you,
I think that's the question. I mean, we've had such
a great discussion the first you know, from last week,
what a great discussion on this, and now moving forward,
that really is the question, where are we going to
go with this? How do we deal with this. Being
an educator and certainly looking at this from that perspective,
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I'm going to take that hat first. You know, we're
taught he was the leader, he was the person who
brought inspiration. He brought inspiration to the table on these issues,
and so as the educator, and what essentially we were
taught as educators to teach our children was the same
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aspect of you know, leaders can inspire change, So we
want to teach our children to be leaders to inspire
those kinds of changes. I think that we have to.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Well, okay, let's take this, let's take a look at this.
Let's just say for the sake of when we're looking
at education that certainly we need to be truthful about
what we're doing. But I think that we also need
to you know, Martin Luther King said something and it's
something that kind of what has always stuck with me
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and is that darkness cannot drive out darkness.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Only light can do that. And I think we need
to hold that true. I mean, I think it kind
of goes back Stephen a little bit about what you're saying.
We need to hold of that, we need to hold
to you know, what are we putting forward, we put
are we just piling darkness on top of darkness?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Or we can bring a light to what to what.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
To what's really happening here? And I think that that just,
you know, that's just truly what the question is. And
I think that sometimes maybe we are all going to
have different opinions or our observations or perspectives of who
this man is. We all do, but I think that
the ultimate question is in his in in Martin Luther
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King Junior's words, you know, darkness cannot drive away darkness.
It just can't round.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. We as we quote
excerpts from doctor Martin Luther King Jr. It's difficult for me,
or should I say, for even the lay person to
dovetail in all these other facets that are being brought
up about him, plagiarism, this, that, the other thing, because
we were fed a platitude of these type of profound
witticisms from doctor Martin Luther King Jr. And with that,
(13:12):
I think, in all fairness, at this point we need
to go ahead and go up here to Nick Nick,
the question still remains, if we throw the baby out
with the bathwater, as you suggest we should. What do
you see twenty twenty four going forward? What world are
we making with that?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
When I see a new broadcast from the South Side Unicorn,
I can't wait to listen to it.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
But you just never know what he's gonna say.
Speaker 9 (13:47):
Well, I think I kind of agree with Steven in
the sense that you need to kind of I think
for Black Americans and kind of their historical reckoning of
Martin Luther King, I think they need to kind of
reorient or reframe who their heroes are in that community.
Think that would require them to maybe educate themselves on
their history. And like I mentioned earlier, I think there
are people they can look to, people like Billy Lee,
who is a close associated. I mean he was Washington's slave, yes,
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but you know again that would simplify it. He served
with Washington on his campaigns, he was his footman. He
was with him at the most critical points of the
American Revolution. So to say he didn't provide Washington with
some level of aid or comfort and that their relationship,
But I think isn't some kind of signifier of a
kind of close, maybe often complicated relationship, but one that
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is close and there's a level of understanding between white
Americans and Black Americans that I think MLK greatly contributed
to breaking some of that understanding. And I think if
you look at the last fifty or sixty years, it's
been very negative between our two communities, particularly in the
twenty twenty riots. And I want to say this too.
I think, you know, like mister McClendon was saying, and
(14:52):
I think Agnes was saying too, they talk about dividing people. Unfortunately,
we're human beings. Race is a reality. I think there's
and I don't think that's something we high from. I think,
for example, you know, they have a saying black is beautiful.
I think black is beautiful, White is right, brown is
all oh good. You know, it's all okay with what
you want to believe, and there's nothing wrong with being
proud of your racial heritage. So I think to kind
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of run away from these questions, that's why we keep
having tension. Because I personally, and I'll just be honest,
as a white person, you know, it's like, hey, well,
you know we're all united and we're not all divided. Well,
it's kind of hard to tell me that when I'm
seeing these out of proportion murder rates black on white
crime going on throughout the country. And I'm just speaking
honestly as a white person, and I don't mean to,
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you know, disparage or pain a whole community the wrong way.
But you know, if you're asking me to speak freely,
that's supporting me on the first limitment.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That's how I feel. And I'll think that. But this
is your time, this is your time.
Speaker 9 (15:44):
This is what And I was wrapping up and saying,
and I've said a lot on this, but with doctor King,
you know, I've said a lot about him, but I
will say this too, just finishing up. I do believe,
like I said, that everyone has the right to be
proud of their ethnic or racial heritage. And I think
as a white person, we have right to be proud
of our heritage as Europeans. And I think Agnes you'd agree.
I'm not saying you have the job nessor e anything
(16:05):
I'm saying, but you're from Hustrey. Hungarians have a great pass,
a great history, one that I'm very familiar with. And
as an American, I'm very proud of my Anglo Saxon roots.
I'm very proud of my Germanic ancestry, and I think
as Black Americans should be proud of their ancestry. And
I think rather than trying to, you know, pick at
each other all the time and say, well, you know,
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George Washington's a slaveholder, or this is this is this,
maybe we could just you know, acknowledge that these people
are complicated figures in in our own communities. They have
different resonance. And I think maybe that would be the
best place to leave it at the moment. And that's
just kind of where I'll leave it at. And I
don't know if that satisfies everyone, but that's just kind
of my point.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Brother, you spoke your mind. And when you spoke your mind,
I mean, I understand that some people are going to say, oh, man,
he's a racist. This man is not a racist per
se in the way that they want to say it
in a negative pejorative. If I'm not mistaken, If they
thought you would be the first person to use the
N word, you're actually the first person to use the
(17:04):
W word. Am I right?
Speaker 9 (17:07):
What do you mean by the W word?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The wig?
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Yeah, well yes I will. I am wiggers. And if
you look, wiggers are set in the culture. Jake Paul
Sam Hyde. So you know, we're out there. So I'm
just saying, you know, and I but like on a
truthfull note. I mean, it really does make you back
because you know people say that to me too. It's like, well,
how can you have these feelings on crime or George
Floyd and Martin Luther King. Look, I can like music,
I could like future, I could like Kanye West, and
(17:33):
I don't need to endorse the sixteen nineteen revisionist version
of America, you know, And that's just kind of where I.
I think it's all part of the platter. So that's
just kind of where I stand on it. And you know,
that's just kind of how I view things, and that's
just my stance.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
So that's right. So you know, and Agnes, and you know,
I'm getting to you in just a second here, and
but I gotta ask you a question, Nick, based on
what you're saying. I don't want to call it. I
don't want to title it segregationist. That's not the word
I want to use. But I do hear some separatism
in there, and that's okay. Tribalism is what I hear.
So when you speak the way you are, and we're
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on the heels of the Super Bowl. I understand it.
At the Super Bowl, they're actually going to play the
Black National Anthem before the national anthem. Given what you're
saying that you believe in this, this separate but equal
type of thing. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
Yes, well, that is something I guess you can maybe
call me a hypocrite here, but that is something I
think I'm not a fan of. And it's just because
I think, to be honest, this black national anthem, just
like the holiday Juneteenth, I don't feel like that's a natural,
genuine expression of positive black feeling. I think that's actually
more of a stick a to whitey anti white sentiment.
(18:45):
Just to be honest, and I am speaking, I'm just
being honest. And you know, like because like I said,
I view blacks as a part of the American story,
and I mentioned there we are not soldiers in the
Civil War. Again, maybe not as much as you know,
I think some left being historians, we can debate that,
but they're blacks that fought in the Civil War. There
were blacks that were in the American Revolution. Next to Washington,
A lot of blacks did become loyalists with the British
(19:06):
but we could talk about these things. But there's a
whole discussion. But nonetheless the relationship is complicated. But my
whole point is I think doctor King has actually done
more to sow division between ourselves. And I also want
to point this out too, and I'll exend on this,
Doctor King and the civil rights movement actually had a
very large impact on our immigration policy in this country
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because during the Civil Rights movement there was the nineteen
sixty five hard Sellar Act which was passed, which was
also passed under the auspices of, oh, we need to
you know, show the Soviet Union that we're not racist
and we need to unite the world. And I think
that's important because if you look at the relationship between
black and white, you know, there have been problems, and
there have been issues, and I think, how the hell
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are we going to cross all these bridges when we're
adding new ingredients to the American melting pot so to speak,
you know what I mean, if we can't even let
black and the white simmer and get a flavor there
when we add Mexican and a and this and that
and all that together to where it's an incoherent mass.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now I hear what you're saying that. I hear you
in your own a role there, But you brought me
into the segue to talk into Agnes. The illegal immigration,
the piggyback of certain rights that were afforded or intended
to be afforded to the African American people, the thirteenth,
the fourteenth, and the fifteenth Amendments, which were basically hijacked
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by the Socialist movement and bringing forth one of the
most incredible illegal immigration systems I've ever seen in my life.
That brings me to Agnes Gibney and Angel Mam dubbed
so by President Donald J. Trump himself. Agnes, if we
do change the memory of doctor Martin Luther King Jr.
As we know it, what do you see going forward? Well,
(20:47):
how do you see that helping or hurting America?
Speaker 8 (20:50):
You know, personally, I wouldn't change the image of Martin
Luther King. It is what it is. History is done.
You can't change what happened before you learn from it. Personally,
I think that Jesse Jackson and l. Sharpen has done
an incredible amount of damage to the black community themselves.
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They exploited the black community, and I despise them.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Like no other.
Speaker 8 (21:18):
Yes, and that breaks my heart honestly for the black community.
And I would hope that someone like my friend Larry
Elder would be an incredible voice for the black community
to educate, inform and help them come out of where
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they are because they have been oppressed. They just don't
know how to get out of it and don't have
any means to get out of it. So they little
kids grow up with this hatred of police officers, hatred
of whites, hatred of other races. And we have to
stop doing that. We have to stop hating on each
other because we all belied the same. And UH be
(22:03):
more giving. And I don't think anybody should lose your heritage. Uh,
embrace your heritage where you come from. I will never forget.
And uh this own my country of birth. I am
divided into three because my heart belongs in Brazil. I
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love the Latin culture that's where I grew up. But
I love and respect the United States. Right now, not
so much with the immigration and the political standard we
are living. It's becoming very difficult for me to respect
this country. And uh, and it.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Breaks Yes, let me just interject right there, Agnes, you
are one of the most patriotic patriots I've ever known.
I mean, you, you earned the right to be an American.
You went through the testing and the waiting. You came
into America the right way.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
I am as sadly as I feel about it. I
have a tremendous disrespect for these countries government right now,
because they are it's a disgrace. We are swimming pretty
much in socialism. And I didn't pledge allegiance to defend
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this country against foreign and domestic invaders, in shed blood
for this country, and our politicians are not pledging that
allegiance to this country. And it breaks my heart. And
I'm feeling very divided right now. And I hate to
say that. Maybe I'm more of an emotional state right now,
because you know, a week and a half, only twenty
(23:44):
eight would have been my son's fifty first birthday. It's
always a very, very difficult time. But I can I'm
not the only angel mom. There are thousands of other
victims out there, and our government doesn't care. And our
children only six feet under as in, our government does
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nothing for it. I'm not asking for help, but when
I heard that Biden wanted to give five hundred thousand
to illegal aliens that were deported. What about the guy
that killed my son? He was released from president early
and got deported. Why should he get four hundred thousand?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That breaks my heart? I mean on so many levels.
And those of you who are watching this show, you
really need to make contact with Agnes. Agnes, can you
tell them how to get in touch with you? Please?
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Yes? My email is Angel Mom Agnes A g n
e s at gmail dot com. I am on Facebook
as Agnes Gibbini and also on Twitter as angel Mom
Agnes Gibbiny. I use my name. I don't hide behind anything.
I support President Trump a million percent and he is
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the only solution for this country to.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Be clear time. So my heart hurts, Agnes when I
hear what you say, and I want the American people
to understand what must be going on in our country
for a absolute patriot like Agnes giving me to say
the words that she said on this show today. I'm
going to defer to you, Emory the idea of doctor
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Martin Luther King Jr. Do we keep him, do we
let it go? And if so, what do you see
from twenty twenty four going forward with that idea.
Speaker 10 (25:32):
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City's original artist singing for the cause of freedom. I've
spent the last ten years in my life documenting history
through my music. It's like a recipe.
Speaker 11 (25:47):
It's peciftypinion, not the best of me, your testify, testiny
to create my own destiny and understanding, especially learn my
listen and let them you're learning. And when I'm in
need of a dose reality to escape the liberal land
of believe, I tune into the South Side Unicorn where
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(26:07):
My name is Too Sweet, and you're listening to my
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Speaker 2 (26:13):
He's just getting started. O.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Can I have a couple of things to say about that.
I think, first of all, we need to keep the
idea of Martin Luther King going strong because without it,
look what would have happened in the black community. And
we see what happened in the black community. They didn't
follow his dream. We haven't seen things progress, but we've
seen more people become dependent. We've seen more broken homes,
(26:41):
more broken families. The civil rights movement has been turned
upside down.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I want to say you a couple of things. Here.
We talk about Martin Luther King being a bad apple,
but what about and because he was a socialist or
he may have gotten taken into socialism, but what about
people like Barack Obama who are a viowed socialist. And
not only that, but he also signed with Islam and
everything else. Okay, so they considered it to be bad apples,
(27:05):
you know? And and and why is socialism good for
them but not good for Martin Luther King? Even though
I don't think that Martin Luther King was really a
vile socialist. And is it really Martin Luther King's fault
that the black community has not progressed? No, it's not
his fault. It's mostly the black people because they have
become dependent. I know scores and scores and scores of
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black people who love being on welfare. They're always trying
to figure out. They spend twenty four hours a day
Internet trying to find out ways.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Stop. I got and I understand everybody's gonna get there.
Say that I'm getting myself together. Guys, hold away, let
me take it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Hey, I'm telling them like it is.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
You say they love being on the on the on
the system, really.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And I said, I know, friends, relatives and everybody else.
That's all they do. And every time I talk to
one of my relatives or some friends or that restaurant
or if I'm out and about because I'm a you know,
a politically motivated person here, I'm a community activist. I
want to get I want to get well. Can you
tell me how to get this free? This, that and
the other. Now I'm getting off topic a little bit,
(28:25):
But the thing of it is what kind of position
does socialism of paint on America? It paints a very
bad picture because socialists never worked anywhere where it was
ever tried. Same thing with communism. All it leads behind
is a trail of death and a trail of poverty
and so forth and dependency. It never works. And then
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you know, you got to realize too. And the Martin
Luther King shined the light on America, but the switch
was turned off by others who didn't like his point
of view and couldn't make a profit for what he
wanted to do. But I'll say one more thing that
it's okay to have pride in your ancestry and to
be proud of who you are, but not to the
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extent where you put your country down and you don't
want to protect and defend the constitution of America. America
is the greatest nation that ever appeared on the face
of this earth. It has afforded more people freedom than
any other country in the world. So why not go
toward making America a great nation? Us being together, united
(29:31):
is one and moving forward. And like you said, moving
forward in twenty twenty four, we have to ask ourselves
a question, what do Americans really want? The average American
wants to go to work, wants to come home, wants
to be with family. He wants to feed his family,
or he or she also wants to live a good life.
They don't want all this strife and this turmoil. They
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don't want this bickering back and forth about what leader
was bad or what leader wasn't. We want to move
forward and make each general better and better than the
previous generation. And that's what I can see. We need
to keep this thing rolling because Martin Huster King, believe
it or not, brought a lot of inspiration to our predecessors,
to your grandmother, to your mother, to your father, and
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then all of a sudden, we want to cut this
thing off and say things. It needs to be changed,
and we need to go into DEI. We need to
go into the sixteen nineteen projects. We need to go
into a critical race theory. The answer is absolutely not.
We need to continue on in the movement towards equality,
not equity.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, that was well said, Henry. I wish it was
something that I had said, Please forgive me for the
you know, the doocular activity there. But I wasn't ready
for that. Brother. You brought the noise because, as Agnes
was saying, you know, the immigration which sadly took the
life of her son and his birthday is about to
come around in March twenty eighth.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Am I right, Agnes, now, January twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
January twenty eighth. And this is a lot, you know
when you think that no matter which way we've tried
to move this country, the true socialists, the true Marxist,
the enemies of our republic have always glomed on to
it and hijacked it and morphed it into what they needed.
The thirteenth, the fourteenth, the fifteenth amendments have been bastardized
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and used to bring forth and immigration that is going
to I don't know, I don't know what's gonna happen
with that, ladies and gentlemen. So I'm hearing everybody here,
Jessica from the Collegiate Educational Prospect, thank you for your input.
Very sound, very awesome. I'm going to say, as a
glass half full of half empty with you, as far
(31:44):
as your final words are you half full of half
empty with where we are in this nation.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
I am like Agnes, I'm I'm very discouraged with what
I see. I agree with you, Emerson. I mean, we
have to move forward. And I have I have a
thing on the back of my truck and it's a
picture of the American flag, and underneath it it says,
this is my pride flag because I want us to
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be united. I want us to be united under one flag.
I want us to come together. I don't care what color.
As a Native American, I want that's my flag, that's
my flag, that's my country. And you and you and
we are all Americans and we have to come together
and move together. And that and I think that when
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we look at his speech, his his my dream speech,
it was that we as whether it was Jewish Protestant whatever,
that we could come together, hold our hands and move forward.
I think that was really the bottom line of that speech,
and I think we don't want to throw that away.
We would be long to throw that away.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Let's get framed, right, Stephen, Stephen, half empty, half full?
This is easier last words as we wrap up the show.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Yeah, I'm I'm half empty right now. The outlook of things,
the prognosis doesn't look good, but I am still going
to fight for America with everything that I got. This
is the last bashion of hope. If this fails, where
the heck do we go? I ain't going to China.
I heard religious free to make so good out there.
(33:24):
I'm not going to Dad going to Mexico because I'm
not trying to be ruled by the cartels. I'm not
going to Canada, whether there's no two way, right, I
ain't saying right here in America, I'm gonna fight for America.
You believe for America and Dad going to That's what
we're gonna do. We're gonna get our country back on track,
hopefully if we can, and if we're not, we're going
to go down swinging.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Make America great again, or bust. That's simple. That's it, Nick,
Half half full?
Speaker 12 (33:51):
I agree exactly, Nick Brother, Sorry, yeah, yeah, I know
I got to make America great again. Hat I'm empty,
but I'd like to be half full because I believe
President Trump is accumulating so much momentum right now and
everything's just falling apart throughout the world. You see what's
going on in the Middle East and Ukraine, all these
other places. His leadership has just led to chaos and
(34:13):
a deterioration of the world order. Our country is falling
apart if they if Biden wins again, I mean it's obvious,
it's theft.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
I'll just leave it at that. But you know, we
just think away off the unite behind President Trump. He
is the greatest American I think since George Washington. And
I just want to say before I go, I took
a skateboard to the head for President Trump. I know,
if you could see that scar, Yeah, I take that
with a lot of pride. Though they couldn't knock me out.
So with love of my president, love my country sustained me.
(34:41):
So I'm going hard for President Trump, my third time
voting for him.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
So I'm ready. You want them hard, White boys. You
know what I'm saying, skateboarding don't stop you.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I feel exorry for the guy to hit you with
the skateboard. To be honest, I.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Probably got a broken wrist exactly.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You know what I'm saying. He tough. How the chef
say it In the real Chef with Richard Royaldtree, he said, ooh,
there was some tough white boys. You know what I'm saying.
So I got you. I got you, Nick. I want
to thank all of you all for being here, ladies
and gentlemen. We did a cursory touch on the idea
of doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. I left the title
Reverend off on purpose, as you know from part one,
(35:28):
and I'm leaving it off in part two. I'm leaving
it off because even myself yours truly, I'm going to
delve a little bit deeper. I read a paper where
they said he even tried to say that Jesus Christ
wasn't real. But as I read more into it, I
understand what he was saying. The Lord Jesus Christ tells
us to worship him in the spirit and not in
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the flesh, and Doctor King. Sometimes people can go forty
thousand feet over your head. He wasn't saying that there
was no Jesus Christ. He would simply saying that the
idea of Jesus Christ upon the resurrection was his spirit.
And even that ended up being morphed embasstardized to castigate
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this great man. We have to be careful what we digest,
what we take in, and how we put it back out.
I am grateful to this esteemed panel and group of people.
Couldn't have asked for a better group of people to
discuss it. But for those of us, the lay people,
when you get this information, when you see Charlie Kirk's
(36:30):
show and his paper, when you see my ed on it,
take it all in and find the balance in it.
Don't go out there say that, oh, Charlie Kirk is
a racist. And you know, Charlie Kirk is now on
Charlie Kirk and a cracker factory. You know, even though
my man Nick says he don't mind being called a cracker.
You know what I'm saying, It's okay, It's all right.
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This is our country, as Jessica said, And my pride
flag is the one that's behind my brother Stephen right there.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
American and I look at it this way too Prolily
Kurk did the same thing that I did when I
first began to study about Martin Luther King. I'm then
went off the rails. I had a train wreck, and
then I decided to research it and look at it
closer and found out that, hey, a lot of what
we hear about Martin Luther King is misunderstood, misinformation, and
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we need to do our research and come around and
realize that this nation would be a pot lot better
off with what he proposed than going around stabbing him
in the back about the things that we hear as rumors.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And that's what I was wrapping up for lady, and
then we've run out of time. Emory, that was a
well put spot in there, thank you. That's my point.
And you see me pounding my desk, I mean all
this noise, sorry about that guy. That's my point. There's
two gentlemen in this room right now that have gray hair.
There's two gentlemen in this room that don't have great hair,
And we got two beautiful women with us, those of
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us that you would call OG's that would be me
and Emory. We have a different idea about doctor Martin
Luther King than you, young lions, do take him with
you into the future. After all, the twenty second century
is barely sixty five years away. So please take doctor
Martin Luther King Jr. Into the future. If you have
to reframe him a little bit. Okay, fine, but he
(38:15):
did more good than he did harm. That's my opinion
as the host of this show. There are those of
you who are clearly going to disagree with that, and
you'll have your time to respond because I'll send you
the link to the show. There'll be hundreds of people
that are going to join in and give you their
opinion of what you said. Feel free to interact with
them at any given time. Again, as we wrap up
(38:37):
the show, please let people know how to get in
touch with you, because this one's on its way into
the Can Jessica start with you?
Speaker 6 (38:47):
Jessica Rutan and my email address. I'm sorry, Ken, I
didn't hear what you said.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, go ahead and show people. Let people know how
to get in touch with you.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm at Jay Rutan. Are you t A
N Aubrey at Aubreydog dot com a U B R
E Y d O G dot com.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Outstanding Agnes once again.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Yes, my email is angel Mom Agnes A. G n
Ees at gmail dot com and I'm also on Facebook
by the same name Agnes Gibbeny Steven.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
You can find me on Instagram at Stephen Davis at
seventeen seventy well at Stephen Davis seventeen seventy six and
Twitter at Stephen d seventeen seventy six, So you can
find my email Stephen dot Davis at Lordhead versus Stephen
dot Davis at bp U s A dot com. I'm
gonna get it.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Right, that's all right. Hey, you know what we're doing
this naturally is it was just a conversation and a chat.
So there it is. Emory, how do people get in
touch with you?
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They can get a hold of me on Twitter at
KB nine iv W. That's k B nine ib W.
They can get a hold of me on Facebook at
Emory E. M.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
E R W.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
MC.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I also do a lot of writing and media appearances
for Project twenty one, the Heritage Foundation and Tea Party Patriots.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
There it is. But don't talk to Emory if you
want something for free, because you ain't gonna get it,
That's right, Nick. How do people get in touch with you, brother,
that's funny, Sorry about that.
Speaker 12 (40:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
No, To get to test me, just go to my
Instagram at Nick dot Torus forty at Nick dot Torris forty.
I do write on political events there from time to
time and do some live streams, did book reviews. But
I'm actually going to be taking a break from activism
and things like that for the next year because I'm
actually attending graduate school again. So I'm very excited about that,
trying to pursue my master's degree in history and hopefully
(40:46):
my doctorate with an emphasis on German, American and Mexican
relations in World War One.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
So it's kind of one.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Of my gratulations and good luck on that, brother, Thank you,
and you know yours truly. You can find me at
www dot the south Side Unicornshow dot com. Hey, listen
to me. There's no place I'd rather be. There's nothing
more I'd rather do than being right here doing this
show for you. This is Kim whitehort to the South
Side Unicorn Show and we are out
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