December 24, 2024 • 29 mins
We are all a buzz about the mysterious drones, I have invited a drone expert Mr. Draymond CRAWFORD to come and shed some light on this matter, as it seems our government would like to keep us in the dark, tune in and be enlightened.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, everybody. It's my privilege to introduce to you all
the way from the South Side of Chicago. The Men,
the Men, the Legends, My feel your brother, the south
Side Unicorns.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, hey, Hey, it's your boy. Can't wait, Host of
the South Side Unicorn Show. I come on. When I
come on, I talk about the things I want to
talk about, I talk about those things that we need
to talk about. Because there's a lot of people talking
about much and nothing. I'm you know how I'm designed.
I don't do it like that. I respect my audience,
but today we got something we really need to talk about.
(00:50):
You ever seen the movie Fantasy Island with Ricardo, Martha
Bonn and Villichet. And the plane is flying over and
my man runs out to the deck and he go, Boss,
the plane, the plane, and the plane is coming and
mister Rourke he knows everybody that's on the plane. He
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knows everything that's going down about that plane before it lands. Well,
we don't have planes in America right now. We got drones, Boss,
the drone, the drone. And what did our government tell us, Oh,
it's not from a foreign country and it's not us.
(01:34):
But we can tell you it's not a threat. What
what you say to me if you hire a private
investigator to check your do what we call sweetheart investigations.
If you hire a private investigator to check on your
loved one to see if they're being faithful, and they
sitting at the table with you and you're like, so
what you got for me? What's the skinny? And they
(01:55):
come at you and go, well, we don't have any
agents watching them right now, and we don't know where
they are, but we're pretty sure they're not cheating on you.
What this is the type of stuff that our government
and that the system, the legacy media is handing us
as intelligent people, as Americans. So yours truly, Ken White,
(02:18):
the south Side unicorn has seen fit to bring in
the heavy guns. It's time. Yeah, I called you that, brother,
because it's true. We have got to have a more
intelligent understanding about exactly what this is. So I'm honored
to have mister Draymond Crawford with us today. He is
an expert in drones. I'm gonna give you a quick
(02:39):
bore dyer of him, or should I say i'ma allow
him to give you a quick voy dye because it's
too deep. You know I recognize him as a master
of many trades. He once upon a time even more
badge ladies and gentlemen just like yours, truly now dreaming,
I'm gonna ask you to give us your bona fides.
As they said, what are your qualifications for the subject
(03:02):
we're about to tackle, which is drones.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, first of all, Ken, I want to give you
a good thanks, and I appreciate you brother for what
you're doing out here. And excuse me, in our our
airwaves and our social media, we need voices of reason
and we need voices of concern. And UH for myself here,
I am a Part one O seven Aviation Sert of
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Cervication from the FAA, which means I'm a certified drone
pilot and I had picking my test to be qualified.
I am registered with the federal government as such as
a drone pilot. But the first thing I would tell you,
working with drones is just a tool. That's all it is.
I don't I don't gain any I would say additional
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work or work specifically because I am a drone pilot,
me being able to use a drome enable me to
give a different perspective of the work. I do. Now,
I'll follow that up by saying, I am a certified
construction inspector. I have a certification and erosion control which
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spans all fifty states in about a dozen or so
islands in the South Pacific, So I had that's my
main certification for what I do. I'm also registering in
the state of California as a QSP, which means a
Qualified SWIP Practitioner, which means I have the authority to
go out and make reports. I can shut down a
job site if I need to, based upon conditions of
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the site that they're not following by the SWIP manual
that they have. Every job site over an acre is
mandatory by law to have a we call a SWIP
manual on site. That is requirement. And then individuals like
me go out and do my inspections. And one of
the first things I do is let me see that manual,
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so that man is going to tell me everything about
that site, when everything's supposed to happen that site, and
how that site is supposed to be maintained. So that's
why I say, either telling yourself, like if you're not
following your own manual, and I'm there just to hold
you accountable to what you're supposed to be doing. That
is the main function in my work now. I do
that as a sole proprietor. On the side, I do
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work for myself where I've worked with surveyors and also
a lot of developers doing excuse me a good doing
progressive work or progress work for housing developments. You know,
a lot of investors come in here. They don't live locally.
They might be in other states or halfway around the
world to where the work I do. Flying a drone
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advised that video footage are mapping area of what's going on,
and I do that every month on certain projects that
I provide that information for them. So once again it's accountability.
It's also about account ability for as I say, money wise,
because it's the things like stock power reports, how much
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dirt is here? How much dirt did we remove? How
much dirt DoD we bring in?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Your question right here? Yes, did did you go to
the nearest Walmart and grab yourself one of those drones
off the shelf and have added or what what does
it require to actually lift the drone up into the air.
I understand from from a layman's perspective, there has to
be licenses and the FAA gets involved in am I right?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What is?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
There's two sides of defense here. You have one side
we call hobbyists or recreational flyers. Those people, uh do
not have to be tested like I did myself, and
they can fly we call flying for fun. They can
go to a local park or even out their own
own front yard, backyard flying for fun, flying for fun.
(06:51):
So you know you have those individuals, and you also
have those who may belong to a certified group. Uh
useual it's associate with the a M A with fixed
wing aircraft, which are also classified as drones. And individuals might.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Go, wait, let's go a little bit slow. I want
to I want to digest this for the audience. That's
why I'm glad that you came on. We're here to learn.
So you know, we're gonna break it down a little bit.
You're saying to me that planes I consider drones as well.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
The definition of a drone is a unmanned aerial vehicle
or unmanned aerial system. Okay, that covers RC planes, it
covers quadicopters, It covers what people more cod might refer
to as FPV, which basically stands for first person view,
which most drones are all like that if you have
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a camera system on there. So anything in that fits
in that category, the FAA classifies it as a drone now,
doesn't say it has to be a certain there's certain
other sub classifications far as weight and all that kind
of stuff. Like for me, I can fly drone anything
up to less than fifty pounds, so forty nine point nine.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Let me let me start right there, because that's why
I got you on, brother, Thank you so much for
coming on, you know, and I shouldn't use the word brother.
Obama kind of messed that up for everybody. You know
what I'm saying. It has a whole new connotation now.
So mister Carfin, you said you can handle this. Give
me that you can handle a drone up to fifty pounds, right,
and you have to be licensed for that.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
If you go above that, you have to be licensed
special waiver certification to fly above that level.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Okay, here's my question real quick. They're rumors and a
lled sightings throughout America of drones in excess of what
could easily be one thousand pounds. That these drones are
the size of many cars or small cars. What's your
opinion on that, What would it take for that to
be true?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, once again, the factual part of it is, there
are drones that large that I can purchase. You can purchase,
you know, if you if you want to spend fifty
to eighty thousand dollars, you can go. You can go
order one, okay, But once again, for you to fly
it here in the United States, you have to get
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special waivers or an authorization. Usually those type of drones
are flown in agricultural situations, flying over crops because they
see the crops and everything else. Those in the Midwest.
Here in California also we have farmers who use drones
for pesticide used purposes and for crop seeding purposes. And
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those drones usually take two to three people to handle.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Right there, you walked right into what And I don't
want to use the word paranoia because I believe in
the American people. I trust their common sense. Yes, Draymond,
you you touched on a very tricky subject. You're saying
that these larger sized drones are capable of transmitting chemicals
and and things into the air.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
That's what the design for, UH, primarily for those who
personally and that's why I say it, you have to
be additionally, uh certified for that activity. It's even above
what I have for me to have to be able
to have a certification to operate a seating type drone
or fertilizer type drone, things of that nature. There's always
different levels of what you do. Now to go back
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to what's going on on the East coast.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Talk about New Jersey for a minute. What what is your
opinion about New Jersey?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well, let me let me throw this out there right now.
I was just watching my my news feed and apparently
earlier today in the Boston, Massachusetts area, Uh, there was
a rest uh two individuals, two or three individuals that
were seen who were tracked who were flying drones from China.
Would they no, I don't know. They didn't say what
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the drones were. I'm gonna give you the whole whole
skinny here today. Is that right? And uh, you know
they they apprehended to of the individuals that they're they're
looked out for the third one. But how they were
they were apprehend hinded is that the local law enforcement
there in the Boston area had an officer who used
drone surveillance equipment. This as much as drones can do things,
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there is also anti drone equipment that can surveyor drone
can give you the remote ID identification of drone and
track that drone back to the operator themselves. That is
why a lot of us in the drone community are
kind of upset because we're hearing statements from elected officials
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and other folks who have these big platforms, and they're
creating more of a hysteria than what's necessary because we
all know there's equipment out there that are local law
enforcement agencies and the federal government all have a their
possession to track these drones. When I see a new
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broadcast from the South Side Unicorn, I can't wait to
listen to it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But you just never know what she's gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Say at any time they want, because I want to
educate my audience.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
At the same time, aren't those systems called drone chasers?
They have equipment they can actually chase a drone down.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
There's several names. One of the most popular names is
called aeroscope. Aeroscope I know is used by NYPD. An
aeroscope can do two things. It can track a drome
back to the operator, or it actually can disable a
drone to make it come in a controlled landing.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
They are they can actually ofuscate that drone.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Right, it breaks off the control pattern of the operator
and make it go into a we call auto land
out of mack hetails. The drone to land be.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
True for every drone or do you believe that? And again,
ladies and gentlemen, a little bit of this is conjecture
of speculation, but based on his experience and proficiency with drones,
I feel comfortable asking him this question. Do you believe
that these sightings of these particular type of drones we're
dealing with today, could those type of systems be disabled
from a drone or are they inherit?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
With any drone, it can be disabled because one thing,
there's always a common denominator, if it be an RC plane,
a quad quacker drone, or the smaller or it can
be larger we call fpvs or even we call the
heavy lift drones, okay, which is what you see Hollywood
using a lot of times with the bigger camera systems.
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All these drones have what we call a aving a
proper word here. Basically they have a control module built
there that sends a signal back to the controller on
the ground and so forth. Now, anytime that signal gets disrupted,
we're all each of them have it that signal gets
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just disrupted. Some drones are already pre programmed to go
into automatic return to home mode. Other ones would just
maybe sit there and hover and you can you can
have it just going to direct manual mode and land
it right there. Okay. Now there are some people who
can build drones themselves, but even the parts, their symbol
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still have to be adhere to by those standards. Even
though you buy all the individual pieces that control module
that that sends out the UH, receives the signal and
transmits it back, that is still subject to that type
of firmware or harder.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Where I should say, what what What we're to infirm
from what you're saying is, no matter who it is
that's operating these drones within the confines of the United States,
even their systems are slaves to certain rules that they
would be smart to put in the system themselves, which is,
if something goes wrong, the communication is interfered with, this
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drone is going to come back, go back to Papa,
is going to go back.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Home, right, I would say I would say, is that
anything sold over the counter. Now we talk about high
end D O D military type drones, even from a
foreign adversary, that might not be the case. But what
I've been seeing on the news reports that the ones
I have I have been partaking of, these drones are
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flying with aviation lights on. They're they're they're adhering to
all the rules and regulations we have. Like I've heard
certain elected officials state that drones and not will be
flown at night. That is so far incorrect. We are
authorized to fly at night as long as we have
the navigation lights operating. And part of that rule is
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that we have we have a be coonstrolled that could
be seen for three nautical miles. And addition, the most
drones that you can buy off the shelf usually has
the navigation lights on the left and on the right
that come on at night. So there's three type of
lights that you're gonna see a flashing strobe on top,
which is normally gonna be white, and you're gonna have
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the You're gonna have the green and a red for
the left and right. So everything I've seen these drones
that they've shown on TV so far have all been
following the navigational rules of our airspace.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Now we have to go back to this question again.
You said that there is technology available that can interdict
these drones, so our government and this is this is
the opinion of the South Side Unicorn Show. Now, mister
Draymond Crawford, I am actually asking a question. In a question,
these these drones then are either being permitted to function
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or we're unable to seize control of them. And based
on the information you've given me, it's more likely that
we're simply allowing these drones to fly free in our country.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well, that just goes back to us getting a reasonable
answer from our individuals, from our agencies, to be a
little more transparent and be a little better at explaining
what is or isn't taking place. Like I said, we
know the technology is there to stop these drones, and
I would say eighty to ninety percent of the applications
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that are out there flying. Okay, it have to be
something custom built, custom made to circumvent our systems. And
I do not believe in the what we call the
mothership theory. You know, you and I both know we
both serve in the military. We know between the eastern
seaboard United States and the western seaboard of the United Kingdom.
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There's nothing that goes across the Atlantic we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean we see the little minos doing it. Now,
I want to ask you a question real quick to
help my audience is get a better grass. And I
want again thank you for being here under normal conditions
in the world where everything is perfect. What are the
general uses when you're not flying for fun? Fff? Don't
forget that, ladies and gentlemen flying for fun. When you're
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not flying for fun, what are the general uses of
a drone?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I would speak on my uses of a drone. I
am in the construction industry. I guessaid. I do survey
work with surveyors. I do mapping work with construction companies.
I do inspection work. Inspection Right now here in the
city of San Bordino, we know we're building the Mount
Vernon Bridge, rebuilding that. Every month I go out and
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I fly that bridge to see the progress of where
we're at. I have flown up close where the workers
are at, not to fly over them or they are
in danger them, but that my drone is capable to
get close enough to see the actual work is being
done by the iron workers, electricians and everything else. Most
of my work I do primarily is to provide information
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for engineers, developers, and owners. That's the thing there. Most
drones are using. You talk about law enforcement applications, drones
can be used for basic to aid officers on the ground.
It's almost like, you know, not so much to watch
other people, but also watch officers to make sure they're
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not being abusive and overstepping their boundaries because everything's being filmed.
That's why we got body cameras and most.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Funding the police. Let's give them some more funds so
they can have more equipment such as this.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Right right, and this is where this is where you
and I both know where a lot of departments get
their extra little dollars from and buy these tools, just
like they go out and buy armored vehicles and all
this kind of stuff. This is another tool for them
to be able to operate safety. Now'll give you example
with firefighters. Now, I do have thermal drones myself because
I do so their inspections also, but with fire with firefighting,
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it saves lives of firefighters. A lot of time. Firefighters
need to get on the roof of ability to vent it.
That means they're they're picking a hole in the roof.
Let let let the gases out, let the heat get out.
A thermal camera can tell the temperature of that roof
and how when those those firefighters need to get out
of that, get off that roof before it collapses in
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and after.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Those positive uses of a drunk and and again again
I'm not trying to be uh a scaremonger or anything
like that, but the American people are concerned right now.
This is getting a little out of hand. A couple
of years ago it was balloons. Now a couple of
years later it's drones. What is it going to be tomorrow?
So here's here's my here's my question. Does the in
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your opinion, in your training, does the f a A
have an obligation to ferret out what exactly these drones
are doing and where they're coming from.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yes, FAA has been given authority by Congress. And I'll
give you all a little history lesson real quick. I think
it was back in nineteen fifty nine. Congress pretty much
established the FAA at that point and gave them authority
to regulate the navigational airspace of the United States and
all his territories. So FA is responsible to know what
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is coming into our airspace and what is going out
our airspace. Now, once again we talk about what is
our technology level. That varies all depends on what part
of the country that you're in. If you're near a
major city, there's a lot of resources. If you're out
in the middle of Wyoming and other places like that,
you may be a little scarce on what rights. Like
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I said, it's not equal across the board. You know
for what this you know I'm saying. So it's like
anything else we talk about manpower issues for control aircraft control,
they're the first one who's going to see something. If
you don't have enough folks minditing those screens all hours
of the day and night, something's gonna get missed.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So now here's my final question as we wrap up
this interview, and again I want to thank you for
being here. I'm gonna combine your expertise with drones and
your experience as a peace officer, and your experience as
a member of the United States military. Thank you for
your service that with all three of those in play,
I believe this next question is right in your wheelhouse.
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That video out there now of Americans who about had
enough and so they're taking things into their own hands,
no pun intended, and they're actually firing at these drones. Now.
I know we have ways to take them down, But
what is your opinion about, you know, Jethro And I
forgive me for saying it that way, but I mean
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it that way for jet thro going out there with
this well gauge and and and pop and tell them off.
What what is your opinion on that?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, first of all, I have to say, I wish
our elected officials would take uh I would say, be
more mindful of the words, because a lot of times
these individuals take what is said and they twist it
and turn it into an instance like this. There is
a federal law, and I don't want to quote the
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sexual off the top of my head, that if you
fire upon an aircraft. Now once again, the FAA designates
what an aircraft is and is it a unmanned aerial
system or unmanned aerial vehicle is designated as an aircraft.
If you fire upon that at that drone is no
different you find upon find upon a seven forty seven.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's interesting. You would say that because now you know
I'm I'm a red, white and blue type of guy,
and I'm a I'm a I'm a dressed in type
of guy too. Don't tread on me now when you
say that. I hear what you're saying. Don't fire upon
any aircraft. That's an FAA federal law. But shouldn't there
be an itallysis or an aspist that says, unless it's
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going invaders.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, you won't know that. I say you're talking about people.
Look at aircraft that are several hundred feet above them.
I mean, a drone is small. Most of the time.
You can't tell what direction it's going unless you keep
looking at it long after the determined it went from point
A to point B. You can't tell this by you
first seen it. You see the lights flashing on and off,
or what the case may be. You come out and
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break out the twelve gage and you just start pumping
off rounds and you hit it. Now you and I
just noticed theory, especially as peace officers. Okay, bullets just
don't go into that sky and going to heaven. Okay,
they come back down, magical, yeah, right, they come back down.
So when you're firing upon something, in the air if
there be a drone aircraft wherever the case may be,
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them bullets also come down and can strike somebody. And
we know there have been cases of those type of
situations occurring.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
In New Year's Eve, we find out that that that
Newton's law is very true. A brown goes up in
the air and it finds its way into the living
room of someone's home. So regarding people taking aim, and
I think I get into it what you're gonna say,
but I gotta ask regarding my I have a hashtag
out which is hashtag take them Down.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I understand that's a broad range of statement when I
say that, But what is your opinion about people taking
this into their own hands about dealing with these drugs
as the government seems not to want to do it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, one thing is I would tell people do not
fire any firearms at anything that's flying the sky because
you don't know exactly what it is. It could just
be it could be a paramotor And I don't know
if you know. A paramoti is when the guys that
sit in a little seat got a big old like
a big propella in the back and got the big
wing wing sitting out something you see in the old
James Bond James Bond movie, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I just try to say, well, if you hit something
like that, now you actually you could possibly kill somebody
causing a crash. And then what you're gonna say, I
thought it was something else.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now it was the enemy coming to get us, right.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You thought it was an enemy coming to get and
tell you true, those are the same type of things
that Harmash used to attack them people over in the
Israel paramotives. That right, ptives that's exactly what they did. Okay,
So then we're.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Kind of we're kind of in a quandary here. Waymen,
You're right, and I love this conversation. On one end,
we do have to be prudent, responsible and and and
and uh but sure about how we're dealing with this mystery.
But on the other hand, we do have enough doubt
and information from Surprise Tax of December seventh, Pearl Harbor
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from October seventh, Israel. We do have enough information on
the other side that says, hey, this could be something.
I'm glad you came on board to help my audience
understand a little bit more about what drove are and
what the government's responsibility is. If you have any suggestions
on how we finally figure out what this is, I
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would love to hear it right now.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, my biggest suggestion would be, like something you and
I have always been told and been taught to those
in the public sphere, the civilians, be the best witness
that you possibly can. You know, get much information best
you can't and give that to the local authorities so
they can add it up and they can come together.
Just like the situation in Massachusetts, this all came from
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activities that these individuals redoing a couple of nights in
a row. Officers got out there, use their approper tools,
tracted back to the individuals who are flying it, and
made their arrest.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So you're saying, somebody saw something, and then somebody said something.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Right, see something, say something, see something, say something, Because
trying to take things into your own hands has too
much of a high risk of aspect to it. And
like I said, you don't want to be the one
who has harmed somebody or or you know, caused cause
a unfortunate death or a crash needlessly because of paranoia,
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you know's, And that's what we don't want.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's almost an ironic pros on the idea of rush
to judgment. Yeah, yeah, So we're about to wrap up now,
and I'm grateful for your time. I know you're busy, man.
How do people get in touch with you if they
want to make contact with you and take advantage of
your experience?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I do have a website www. Recoveryweedrones dot com is
my website or anyone looking for professional services. Also, if
you just want to see my content, I do put
out quite a few tutorials with those who want to
get into the drone community on what to do and
what not to do while flying. That's on YouTube under
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Recovery one Drone. So you can get get more information
by watching the videos, or you can if you're looking
for services back, but by you, I say, you can
race me on my website.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'll stand it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I want to thank you again for being here, Thank
you for your service, Thank you for what you're doing
for the great city of San Bernardino, which is on
its way back. Wow, the time goes back really fast.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Hey, listening, There's no place I'd rather be.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
There's nothing more I'd rather do than being right here
doing this show for you. I'm kidding out hosting the
south Side. You're a girl show and we are AST
Hello, everybody. It's my privilege to introduce to you all
the way from the South Side of Chicago. The Men,
the Men, the Legends, My feel your brother, the south
Side Unicorns.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hey, hey, Hey, it's your boy. Can't wait, Host of
the South Side Unicorn Show. I come on. When I
come on, I talk about the things I want to
talk about, I talk about those things that we need
to talk about. Because there's a lot of people talking
about much and nothing. I'm you know how I'm designed.
I don't do it like that. I respect my audience,
but today we got something we really need to talk about.
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You ever seen the movie Fantasy Island with Ricardo, Martha
Bonn and Villichet. And the plane is flying over and
my man runs out to the deck and he go, Boss,
the plane, the plane, and the plane is coming and
mister Rourke he knows everybody that's on the plane. He
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knows everything that's going down about that plane before it lands. Well,
we don't have planes in America right now. We got drones, Boss,
the drone, the drone. And what did our government tell us, Oh,
it's not from a foreign country and it's not us.
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But we can tell you it's not a threat. What
what you say to me if you hire a private
investigator to check your do what we call sweetheart investigations.
If you hire a private investigator to check on your
loved one to see if they're being faithful, and they
sitting at the table with you and you're like, so
what you got for me? What's the skinny? And they
(01:55):
come at you and go, well, we don't have any
agents watching them right now, and we don't know where
they are, but we're pretty sure they're not cheating on you.
What this is the type of stuff that our government
and that the system, the legacy media is handing us
as intelligent people, as Americans. So yours truly, Ken White,
(02:18):
the south Side unicorn has seen fit to bring in
the heavy guns. It's time. Yeah, I called you that, brother,
because it's true. We have got to have a more
intelligent understanding about exactly what this is. So I'm honored
to have mister Draymond Crawford with us today. He is
an expert in drones. I'm gonna give you a quick
(02:39):
bore dyer of him, or should I say i'ma allow
him to give you a quick voy dye because it's
too deep. You know I recognize him as a master
of many trades. He once upon a time even more
badge ladies and gentlemen just like yours, truly now dreaming,
I'm gonna ask you to give us your bona fides.
As they said, what are your qualifications for the subject
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we're about to tackle, which is drones.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well, first of all, Ken, I want to give you
a good thanks, and I appreciate you brother for what
you're doing out here. And excuse me, in our our
airwaves and our social media, we need voices of reason
and we need voices of concern. And UH for myself here,
I am a Part one O seven Aviation Sert of
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Cervication from the FAA, which means I'm a certified drone
pilot and I had picking my test to be qualified.
I am registered with the federal government as such as
a drone pilot. But the first thing I would tell you,
working with drones is just a tool. That's all it is.
I don't I don't gain any I would say additional
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work or work specifically because I am a drone pilot,
me being able to use a drome enable me to
give a different perspective of the work. I do. Now,
I'll follow that up by saying, I am a certified
construction inspector. I have a certification and erosion control which
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spans all fifty states in about a dozen or so
islands in the South Pacific, So I had that's my
main certification for what I do. I'm also registering in
the state of California as a QSP, which means a
Qualified SWIP Practitioner, which means I have the authority to
go out and make reports. I can shut down a
job site if I need to, based upon conditions of
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the site that they're not following by the SWIP manual
that they have. Every job site over an acre is
mandatory by law to have a we call a SWIP
manual on site. That is requirement. And then individuals like
me go out and do my inspections. And one of
the first things I do is let me see that manual,
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so that man is going to tell me everything about
that site, when everything's supposed to happen that site, and
how that site is supposed to be maintained. So that's
why I say, either telling yourself, like if you're not
following your own manual, and I'm there just to hold
you accountable to what you're supposed to be doing. That
is the main function in my work now. I do
that as a sole proprietor. On the side, I do
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work for myself where I've worked with surveyors and also
a lot of developers doing excuse me a good doing
progressive work or progress work for housing developments. You know,
a lot of investors come in here. They don't live locally.
They might be in other states or halfway around the
world to where the work I do. Flying a drone
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advised that video footage are mapping area of what's going on,
and I do that every month on certain projects that
I provide that information for them. So once again it's accountability.
It's also about account ability for as I say, money wise,
because it's the things like stock power reports, how much
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dirt is here? How much dirt did we remove? How
much dirt DoD we bring in?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Your question right here? Yes, did did you go to
the nearest Walmart and grab yourself one of those drones
off the shelf and have added or what what does
it require to actually lift the drone up into the air.
I understand from from a layman's perspective, there has to
be licenses and the FAA gets involved in am I right?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
What is?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
There's two sides of defense here. You have one side
we call hobbyists or recreational flyers. Those people, uh do
not have to be tested like I did myself, and
they can fly we call flying for fun. They can
go to a local park or even out their own
own front yard, backyard flying for fun, flying for fun.
(06:51):
So you know you have those individuals, and you also
have those who may belong to a certified group. Uh
useual it's associate with the a M A with fixed
wing aircraft, which are also classified as drones. And individuals might.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Go, wait, let's go a little bit slow. I want
to I want to digest this for the audience. That's
why I'm glad that you came on. We're here to learn.
So you know, we're gonna break it down a little bit.
You're saying to me that planes I consider drones as well.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
The definition of a drone is a unmanned aerial vehicle
or unmanned aerial system. Okay, that covers RC planes, it
covers quadicopters, It covers what people more cod might refer
to as FPV, which basically stands for first person view,
which most drones are all like that if you have
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a camera system on there. So anything in that fits
in that category, the FAA classifies it as a drone now,
doesn't say it has to be a certain there's certain
other sub classifications far as weight and all that kind
of stuff. Like for me, I can fly drone anything
up to less than fifty pounds, so forty nine point nine.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Let me let me start right there, because that's why
I got you on, brother, Thank you so much for
coming on, you know, and I shouldn't use the word brother.
Obama kind of messed that up for everybody. You know
what I'm saying. It has a whole new connotation now.
So mister Carfin, you said you can handle this. Give
me that you can handle a drone up to fifty pounds, right,
and you have to be licensed for that.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
If you go above that, you have to be licensed
special waiver certification to fly above that level.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Okay, here's my question real quick. They're rumors and a
lled sightings throughout America of drones in excess of what
could easily be one thousand pounds. That these drones are
the size of many cars or small cars. What's your
opinion on that, What would it take for that to
be true?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, once again, the factual part of it is, there
are drones that large that I can purchase. You can purchase,
you know, if you if you want to spend fifty
to eighty thousand dollars, you can go. You can go
order one, okay, But once again, for you to fly
it here in the United States, you have to get
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special waivers or an authorization. Usually those type of drones
are flown in agricultural situations, flying over crops because they
see the crops and everything else. Those in the Midwest.
Here in California also we have farmers who use drones
for pesticide used purposes and for crop seeding purposes. And
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those drones usually take two to three people to handle.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Right there, you walked right into what And I don't
want to use the word paranoia because I believe in
the American people. I trust their common sense. Yes, Draymond,
you you touched on a very tricky subject. You're saying
that these larger sized drones are capable of transmitting chemicals
and and things into the air.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
That's what the design for, UH, primarily for those who
personally and that's why I say it, you have to
be additionally, uh certified for that activity. It's even above
what I have for me to have to be able
to have a certification to operate a seating type drone
or fertilizer type drone, things of that nature. There's always
different levels of what you do. Now to go back
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to what's going on on the East coast.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Talk about New Jersey for a minute. What what is your
opinion about New Jersey?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Well, let me let me throw this out there right now.
I was just watching my my news feed and apparently
earlier today in the Boston, Massachusetts area, Uh, there was
a rest uh two individuals, two or three individuals that
were seen who were tracked who were flying drones from China.
Would they no, I don't know. They didn't say what
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the drones were. I'm gonna give you the whole whole
skinny here today. Is that right? And uh, you know
they they apprehended to of the individuals that they're they're
looked out for the third one. But how they were
they were apprehend hinded is that the local law enforcement
there in the Boston area had an officer who used
drone surveillance equipment. This as much as drones can do things,
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there is also anti drone equipment that can surveyor drone
can give you the remote ID identification of drone and
track that drone back to the operator themselves. That is
why a lot of us in the drone community are
kind of upset because we're hearing statements from elected officials
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and other folks who have these big platforms, and they're
creating more of a hysteria than what's necessary because we
all know there's equipment out there that are local law
enforcement agencies and the federal government all have a their
possession to track these drones. When I see a new
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broadcast from the South Side Unicorn, I can't wait to
listen to it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But you just never know what she's gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Say at any time they want, because I want to
educate my audience.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
At the same time, aren't those systems called drone chasers?
They have equipment they can actually chase a drone down.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
There's several names. One of the most popular names is
called aeroscope. Aeroscope I know is used by NYPD. An
aeroscope can do two things. It can track a drome
back to the operator, or it actually can disable a
drone to make it come in a controlled landing.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
They are they can actually ofuscate that drone.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Right, it breaks off the control pattern of the operator
and make it go into a we call auto land
out of mack hetails. The drone to land be.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
True for every drone or do you believe that? And again,
ladies and gentlemen, a little bit of this is conjecture
of speculation, but based on his experience and proficiency with drones,
I feel comfortable asking him this question. Do you believe
that these sightings of these particular type of drones we're
dealing with today, could those type of systems be disabled
from a drone or are they inherit?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
With any drone, it can be disabled because one thing,
there's always a common denominator, if it be an RC plane,
a quad quacker drone, or the smaller or it can
be larger we call fpvs or even we call the
heavy lift drones, okay, which is what you see Hollywood
using a lot of times with the bigger camera systems.
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All these drones have what we call a aving a
proper word here. Basically they have a control module built
there that sends a signal back to the controller on
the ground and so forth. Now, anytime that signal gets disrupted,
we're all each of them have it that signal gets
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just disrupted. Some drones are already pre programmed to go
into automatic return to home mode. Other ones would just
maybe sit there and hover and you can you can
have it just going to direct manual mode and land
it right there. Okay. Now there are some people who
can build drones themselves, but even the parts, their symbol
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still have to be adhere to by those standards. Even
though you buy all the individual pieces that control module
that that sends out the UH, receives the signal and
transmits it back, that is still subject to that type
of firmware or harder.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Where I should say, what what What we're to infirm
from what you're saying is, no matter who it is
that's operating these drones within the confines of the United States,
even their systems are slaves to certain rules that they
would be smart to put in the system themselves, which is,
if something goes wrong, the communication is interfered with, this
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drone is going to come back, go back to Papa,
is going to go back.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Home, right, I would say I would say, is that
anything sold over the counter. Now we talk about high
end D O D military type drones, even from a
foreign adversary, that might not be the case. But what
I've been seeing on the news reports that the ones
I have I have been partaking of, these drones are
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flying with aviation lights on. They're they're they're adhering to
all the rules and regulations we have. Like I've heard
certain elected officials state that drones and not will be
flown at night. That is so far incorrect. We are
authorized to fly at night as long as we have
the navigation lights operating. And part of that rule is
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that we have we have a be coonstrolled that could
be seen for three nautical miles. And addition, the most
drones that you can buy off the shelf usually has
the navigation lights on the left and on the right
that come on at night. So there's three type of
lights that you're gonna see a flashing strobe on top,
which is normally gonna be white, and you're gonna have
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the You're gonna have the green and a red for
the left and right. So everything I've seen these drones
that they've shown on TV so far have all been
following the navigational rules of our airspace.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Now we have to go back to this question again.
You said that there is technology available that can interdict
these drones, so our government and this is this is
the opinion of the South Side Unicorn Show. Now, mister
Draymond Crawford, I am actually asking a question. In a question,
these these drones then are either being permitted to function
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or we're unable to seize control of them. And based
on the information you've given me, it's more likely that
we're simply allowing these drones to fly free in our country.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Well, that just goes back to us getting a reasonable
answer from our individuals, from our agencies, to be a
little more transparent and be a little better at explaining
what is or isn't taking place. Like I said, we
know the technology is there to stop these drones, and
I would say eighty to ninety percent of the applications
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that are out there flying. Okay, it have to be
something custom built, custom made to circumvent our systems. And
I do not believe in the what we call the
mothership theory. You know, you and I both know we
both serve in the military. We know between the eastern
seaboard United States and the western seaboard of the United Kingdom.
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There's nothing that goes across the Atlantic we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean we see the little minos doing it. Now,
I want to ask you a question real quick to
help my audience is get a better grass. And I
want again thank you for being here under normal conditions
in the world where everything is perfect. What are the
general uses when you're not flying for fun? Fff? Don't
forget that, ladies and gentlemen flying for fun. When you're
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not flying for fun, what are the general uses of
a drone?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I would speak on my uses of a drone. I
am in the construction industry. I guessaid. I do survey
work with surveyors. I do mapping work with construction companies.
I do inspection work. Inspection Right now here in the
city of San Bordino, we know we're building the Mount
Vernon Bridge, rebuilding that. Every month I go out and
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I fly that bridge to see the progress of where
we're at. I have flown up close where the workers
are at, not to fly over them or they are
in danger them, but that my drone is capable to
get close enough to see the actual work is being
done by the iron workers, electricians and everything else. Most
of my work I do primarily is to provide information
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for engineers, developers, and owners. That's the thing there. Most
drones are using. You talk about law enforcement applications, drones
can be used for basic to aid officers on the ground.
It's almost like, you know, not so much to watch
other people, but also watch officers to make sure they're
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not being abusive and overstepping their boundaries because everything's being filmed.
That's why we got body cameras and most.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Funding the police. Let's give them some more funds so
they can have more equipment such as this.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Right right, and this is where this is where you
and I both know where a lot of departments get
their extra little dollars from and buy these tools, just
like they go out and buy armored vehicles and all
this kind of stuff. This is another tool for them
to be able to operate safety. Now'll give you example
with firefighters. Now, I do have thermal drones myself because
I do so their inspections also, but with fire with firefighting,
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it saves lives of firefighters. A lot of time. Firefighters
need to get on the roof of ability to vent it.
That means they're they're picking a hole in the roof.
Let let let the gases out, let the heat get out.
A thermal camera can tell the temperature of that roof
and how when those those firefighters need to get out
of that, get off that roof before it collapses in
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and after.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Those positive uses of a drunk and and again again
I'm not trying to be uh a scaremonger or anything
like that, but the American people are concerned right now.
This is getting a little out of hand. A couple
of years ago it was balloons. Now a couple of
years later it's drones. What is it going to be tomorrow?
So here's here's my here's my question. Does the in
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your opinion, in your training, does the f a A
have an obligation to ferret out what exactly these drones
are doing and where they're coming from.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yes, FAA has been given authority by Congress. And I'll
give you all a little history lesson real quick. I think
it was back in nineteen fifty nine. Congress pretty much
established the FAA at that point and gave them authority
to regulate the navigational airspace of the United States and
all his territories. So FA is responsible to know what
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is coming into our airspace and what is going out
our airspace. Now, once again we talk about what is
our technology level. That varies all depends on what part
of the country that you're in. If you're near a
major city, there's a lot of resources. If you're out
in the middle of Wyoming and other places like that,
you may be a little scarce on what rights. Like
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I said, it's not equal across the board. You know
for what this you know I'm saying. So it's like
anything else we talk about manpower issues for control aircraft control,
they're the first one who's going to see something. If
you don't have enough folks minditing those screens all hours
of the day and night, something's gonna get missed.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So now here's my final question as we wrap up
this interview, and again I want to thank you for
being here. I'm gonna combine your expertise with drones and
your experience as a peace officer, and your experience as
a member of the United States military. Thank you for
your service that with all three of those in play,
I believe this next question is right in your wheelhouse.
(22:34):
That video out there now of Americans who about had
enough and so they're taking things into their own hands,
no pun intended, and they're actually firing at these drones. Now.
I know we have ways to take them down, But
what is your opinion about, you know, Jethro And I
forgive me for saying it that way, but I mean
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it that way for jet thro going out there with
this well gauge and and and pop and tell them off.
What what is your opinion on that?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, first of all, I have to say, I wish
our elected officials would take uh I would say, be
more mindful of the words, because a lot of times
these individuals take what is said and they twist it
and turn it into an instance like this. There is
a federal law, and I don't want to quote the
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sexual off the top of my head, that if you
fire upon an aircraft. Now once again, the FAA designates
what an aircraft is and is it a unmanned aerial
system or unmanned aerial vehicle is designated as an aircraft.
If you fire upon that at that drone is no
different you find upon find upon a seven forty seven.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
That's interesting. You would say that because now you know
I'm I'm a red, white and blue type of guy,
and I'm a I'm a I'm a dressed in type
of guy too. Don't tread on me now when you
say that. I hear what you're saying. Don't fire upon
any aircraft. That's an FAA federal law. But shouldn't there
be an itallysis or an aspist that says, unless it's
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going invaders.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, you won't know that. I say you're talking about people.
Look at aircraft that are several hundred feet above them.
I mean, a drone is small. Most of the time.
You can't tell what direction it's going unless you keep
looking at it long after the determined it went from point
A to point B. You can't tell this by you
first seen it. You see the lights flashing on and off,
or what the case may be. You come out and
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break out the twelve gage and you just start pumping
off rounds and you hit it. Now you and I
just noticed theory, especially as peace officers. Okay, bullets just
don't go into that sky and going to heaven. Okay,
they come back down, magical, yeah, right, they come back down.
So when you're firing upon something, in the air if
there be a drone aircraft wherever the case may be,
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them bullets also come down and can strike somebody. And
we know there have been cases of those type of
situations occurring.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
In New Year's Eve, we find out that that that
Newton's law is very true. A brown goes up in
the air and it finds its way into the living
room of someone's home. So regarding people taking aim, and
I think I get into it what you're gonna say,
but I gotta ask regarding my I have a hashtag
out which is hashtag take them Down.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I understand that's a broad range of statement when I
say that, But what is your opinion about people taking
this into their own hands about dealing with these drugs
as the government seems not to want to do it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Well, one thing is I would tell people do not
fire any firearms at anything that's flying the sky because
you don't know exactly what it is. It could just
be it could be a paramotor And I don't know
if you know. A paramoti is when the guys that
sit in a little seat got a big old like
a big propella in the back and got the big
wing wing sitting out something you see in the old
James Bond James Bond movie, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I just try to say, well, if you hit something
like that, now you actually you could possibly kill somebody
causing a crash. And then what you're gonna say, I
thought it was something else.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Now it was the enemy coming to get us, right.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You thought it was an enemy coming to get and
tell you true, those are the same type of things
that Harmash used to attack them people over in the
Israel paramotives. That right, ptives that's exactly what they did. Okay,
So then we're.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Kind of we're kind of in a quandary here. Waymen,
You're right, and I love this conversation. On one end,
we do have to be prudent, responsible and and and
and uh but sure about how we're dealing with this mystery.
But on the other hand, we do have enough doubt
and information from Surprise Tax of December seventh, Pearl Harbor
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from October seventh, Israel. We do have enough information on
the other side that says, hey, this could be something.
I'm glad you came on board to help my audience
understand a little bit more about what drove are and
what the government's responsibility is. If you have any suggestions
on how we finally figure out what this is, I
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would love to hear it right now.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Well, my biggest suggestion would be, like something you and
I have always been told and been taught to those
in the public sphere, the civilians, be the best witness
that you possibly can. You know, get much information best
you can't and give that to the local authorities so
they can add it up and they can come together.
Just like the situation in Massachusetts, this all came from
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activities that these individuals redoing a couple of nights in
a row. Officers got out there, use their approper tools,
tracted back to the individuals who are flying it, and
made their arrest.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So you're saying, somebody saw something, and then somebody said something.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Right, see something, say something, see something, say something, Because
trying to take things into your own hands has too
much of a high risk of aspect to it. And
like I said, you don't want to be the one
who has harmed somebody or or you know, caused cause
a unfortunate death or a crash needlessly because of paranoia,
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you know's, And that's what we don't want.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's almost an ironic pros on the idea of rush
to judgment. Yeah, yeah, So we're about to wrap up now,
and I'm grateful for your time. I know you're busy, man.
How do people get in touch with you if they
want to make contact with you and take advantage of
your experience?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I do have a website www. Recoveryweedrones dot com is
my website or anyone looking for professional services. Also, if
you just want to see my content, I do put
out quite a few tutorials with those who want to
get into the drone community on what to do and
what not to do while flying. That's on YouTube under
(28:52):
Recovery one Drone. So you can get get more information
by watching the videos, or you can if you're looking
for services back, but by you, I say, you can
race me on my website.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I'll stand it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I want to thank you again for being here, Thank
you for your service, Thank you for what you're doing
for the great city of San Bernardino, which is on
its way back. Wow, the time goes back really fast.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Hey, listening, There's no place I'd rather be.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
There's nothing more I'd rather do than being right here
doing this show for you. I'm kidding out hosting the
south Side. You're a girl show and we are AST
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