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a court of law. All right, we're back with the swede Anna Project,
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episode number four. I believe we'regoing to be covering Mandy Ann Rate
who was twenty years who was twentyone years old at the time of her
death. Christina, how are youdoing today? I'm doing all right?
How are you? I can't complain, I guess even if I did,
I don't think anybody'd listen. So, so do you want to get us
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started on this one? So mandan Rap. She came from a military
family, with both of her grandparentsserving in the Navy, and her family
was eventually stationed in Lawton, Oklahoma, where she was born on September seventeenth
in nineteen seventy eight. She hadone child and actually had a subsequent child
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that she'd given it for adoption.She wanted to be an artist and drew
characters for her child while undergoing drugrehab treatments. Unfortunately, she'd fallen in
with a rough crowd and suffered fromdrug addiction. Yeah, she was also
a known sex worker who worked thestreets of Cash Road, and like you
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had mentioned, she did have apretty bad drug habit. But she also
wanted to get clean. So whenyou had mentioned the drug rehab, she
had gone multiple times because, likeI said, she just wanted to get
clean, but because of the circumstancesaround her life and the fact that when
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she would get out of rehab shewould have the same friends, and she
kept falling back into that same patternof her everyday life as soon as she
would get out of rehab. Atthe time of her death, she was
living at the Sheridan Inn with herboyfriend, and the Sheridan is located at
the northwest corner of Sheridan and LeeBoulevard. She did have some ties to
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Cotton County. She had family thatlived in Walter's, Oklahoma as well,
and she was planning on moving toTexas with her boyfriend at the time.
Oh, she seemed to be veryclose to her mother, and while she
had gone missing, it did nottake long for people knows she talked to
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her mom every day, so onJune ninth of two thousand was the last
day she was seen by her mother, and June eleventh, she talked to
her grandfather and she asked him tostay at his house, but she never
did arrived there. On the eleventh, her boyfriend was also arrested. He
was a woff in the military andshe had turned him in after they had
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got into an argument. On thefourteenth of June, she was last seen
my a friend that shared an innwhere she'd been staying, and her body
was found three days later on Juneseventeenth, two thousand. When she was
found, it was right at approximatelyfour am on the seventeenth a Comanche County
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Deputy sheriff who was doing a routinecheck of an area off of Bethel Road,
which is east of Lawton. Thearea is known for the illegal dumping
of used meth labs and it's alsoknown for a lot of drug activity,
so the area is usually always highlymonitored by the Sheriff's department. But when
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they found her body, she hadbeen in the creek for at least four
days, is what they said atthe time. So we know that estimate
is off a little bit because shewas last seen on the fourteenth, which
was only about three days. Butyou know, it's not an exact science,
so you know where she was found. It was very rural, just
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like the other girls. She wasfound in a creek bed in water,
very close to a bridge. That'sa lot like all that we talked about
Clastal bridge in the water. Alsofound nude. The jewelry that she always
wore was never found, and thejewelry that she wore normally was a gold
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chain with two baby rings on it. D always carried an address book and
that was missing, and all ofthe clothes were missing. There was no
sign of trauma, no evidence atthe scene, and her first cause of
death was always initially ruled as acocaine intoxication, but the manner of death
was accidental. On June nineteenth,two thousand, two days after they found
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her body, her boyfriend's car wasfound with his windows down, causing an
apartment mom flight. On June twentyfirst, two days later, he was
released from the command she counting jail. He called Mandy's mom saying that he
can't find her because she was drivinghis car, and this is when mom
found out that she'd gone missing.So she was found three miles south of
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where our next victim that will talkabout next time would be found dead as
well. Yeah, she was foundvery close to where the next victim was
found, within about three miles andthe time frame is actually two years different
as well. What do you thinkabout this case? I mean, you
know, I she was found muchfaster than Cassandralars, but she was also
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found nude in water, you know, in the same sort of way.
Do the deputies usually have some sortof checks that they make in these areas
all the time, like that's Ithought that was kind of interesting to read
that they were seemed like they werehighly monitoring that area. And our officer
Anonymous, actually that's what I asked. I don't know if you saw those
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in the group chat. Officer Anonymoussaid that they do actually do that quite
a bit. They go and they'lldo like routine checks on areas where they
know there's drug activity or where theyknow drugs like used metal labs are getting
dumped and stuff like that. Becauseour connection said pretty much the same thing
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that they've They've done that before too. The whole honor of death ever change,
the whole reasons or death ever changed. I feel like it was initially
a cocaine overdose, but in somereports from reading that there was kind of
like a wishy washy thing they weren'tsure was that's actually what killed her.
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Yeah. I haven't really read anythingto the contrary, but the fact that
authorities do believe that there is foulplay involved that does say something. And
you know, she wanted to gether life together, just like Cassandra had,
but unfortunately you can't continue to stillhang around the same people. Yeah,
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you know, that's just going tobring you down. You have to
change that. And that seemed tobe like her downfall because it really seemed
like she had, you know,some really strong, healthy family ties,
having a child very close to hermother, you know, was going to
stay with her grandfather, so therewasn't for lack of a support system.
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Yeah, it makes me think too, with the drug involvement, makes me
think of Corey Morris again. Fromour first episode. I talked about him
quite a bit because he was hewas living in Oklahoma at the time,
but we're not exactly sure where.We do know that his mom was living
in Oklahoma City, which is notthat far away. But at the same
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time, his whole thing was feedingthe women just a whole bunch of meth
and cocaine until they would either overdoseand he would do you know, sleep
with him for a few days afterthey'd be dead, or he would strangle
them during sex after getting them allmessed up on all these drugs. So
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maybe, you know, there wereno signs of trauma found. So I
mean, that's why I kind ofwonder about what they know that they haven't
released to the public, about whyshe's considered one of these people involved,
you know, one of the mainsix people that we're covering, right because
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I mean, she she was foundso quickly that her cause of death would
be a lot easier to determine thanlet's say, Cassandra, who was there
for money. Yeah, you know, that's going to be a lot different.
But yeah, you know, ifa lot of these girls had legal
amounts of cocaine in their system ormeth, did they you know what's considered
legal though to someone that uses itall the time? I guess another you
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know, thing that I was wonderingbecause if I was to go do here
when right now, I would diebecause they've never dine kind of drugs,
but someone that uses here when allthe time might not. Yeah, so
you know, I wonder that.But because you're right, there is no
sign of trauma. Yeah. Well, I think the main thing that they
were talking about too, in quitea few articles I was reading, was
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the fact that how did she getthere and what happened before she died,
because she didn't drop herself off outthere. You know, obviously she was
naked, somebody took her stuff,she didn't have any but no evidence was
found. So I guess the mainquestions what happened before she died and how
did she get out there? Right? And I mean her boyfriend was in
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jail during that, because you know, if he was arrested on the eleventh
of June, then they he wasreleased on the nineteenth, I believe,
I'm sorry, the twenty first,so you know, unless he got out
of jail somehow, and she doesn'tseem like a possible suspect. Yeah,
but somebody there that knows them,somebody knew, you know, maybe they
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knew he needs go Well, Sistime to get her. She didn't have
protection there. There was nobody,you know, there wasn't a person that's
always with her. Yeah, it'svery true. So, yeah, we
do actually have an update. Andthis was going to be a missing person
that we were going to cover inthe future. And this missing person turns
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out to be a Jane Doe thatwe were also going to cover in the
future as well. And we hadfound out on December first that Rebecca Jean
Walden Boyd is a Kiowa County JaneDoe and she went missing when she was
twenty nine, and she was knownto have a drug habit. Now I
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did read two different things. Iheard that she was living with her grandparents
in Rush Springs, but officials saythat she lived in Muskogee when she disappeared.
But she had family in the Lawtonarea and she would be she would
go and visit there frequently, likeall the time. And what she would
do was she would take cab rides. She was friends with a cab driver
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as well. So she was lastseen on July twenty sixth, two thousand
and two, and she was lastseen walking away from her estranged husband's place
of employment or a gas station afteran argument with someone on the phone.
July thirtieth, she was reported missingby her estranged husband. And she did
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leave behind two young kids when shedisappeared. And the Kiowa County Jane Doe
was found on July thirteenth, twothousand and five, I mean almost exactly
two years later, and she wasfound off of State Highway fifty four by
a farmer. And when she wasfound, the cause of death was undetermined.
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On December one of this year,just a few days ago they had
identified her. In September twenty twentyone, the SBI was notified that the
DNA profile match from this Jane Doematched Rebecca Jane Boyd, whose profile was
also entered into NamUs, and theOklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says they identified
the woman known as Kiowa Jane Doe. So officials say that a skull was
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found in Kaiola County on July thirteenth, se dousand and five by a farmer,
like you said, on his land, and this is six miles south
and a half mile east of StateHighway fifty four near Roosevelt, Oklahoma.
There was no clothing or any typeof other evidence found. And this is
a quarter mile away from her.Pamela Woodring, who another one of our
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girls, one of the main six, was found on June fourth, two
thousand and three, and at thetime, investigators had said this skull belonged
to a woman between the ages ofeighteen and twenty nine and they believed that
it had been in the field forthree to twenty years. That's quite a
stretch, but the USBI says theskull has now been identified as Rebecca Gee
Boyd, who was twenty nine atthe time of her disappearance. So now
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the USBI Coal Case Unit is goingto determine how she ended up in that
field and who was responsible. Hopefullythey do. Yeah. Over the past
sixteen years, the OSBI, theytried several times to identify the skull and
they even did a facial reconstruction andit did generate a lot of leads,
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and then they entered her profile intothe National Missing and Unidentified Person System,
which is NAMES and then the skullwas also submitted to the University of North
Texas that it's their center for HumanIdentification, and that's actually who identified the
remains. They were the ones whotold the OSBI back in September that it
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was her, And yeah, theDNA profile from the skull that they got
from it, it was run againsta lot of other missing women in Oklahoma
and they finally finally came up withit and found out found out what happened.
And I mean, I'm happy abouttechnology nowadays. You know, yeah,
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what you what triggered them to dothat now? Or did it just
happen to get a call that,hey, this is a match. I
personally think it was either. Imean, this is just pure speculation.
I don't know, but I thinkit might have either been some kind of
advancement in technology, or they gotpushed maybe by her kids or something of
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that nature, or somebody might haveentered their DNA into a system as well
and then that brought up her DNAprofile. But that's purely speculation on my
behalf. I'm not exactly sure whyall of a sudden, sixteen years later
they just now put these two together. But not complaining it's a great thing,
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but at the same time it isgreat. I just yeah, like,
we got some other women, butwhat can we do to push this
through? You know, if they'reconnected, you know, most of them
believe that they are what are youpossibly going to gain from this now that
you know this is who this personis. Yeah, so it would be
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nice to care a little bit moreabout what they know. I don't see
how it could really hurt after beingso long in general with these women,
you know, they're not really tellingthey're keeping it all very close to the
vest and not giving information. Butat this point is just like, okay,
well, if you're not doing it, you know, give give it
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out if you can't get it done, and let's see if other people might
know about it. So you know, it's not that big of an area
to where someone doesn't know something,and that is I truly believe that.
Yeah, and there's actually once weget done covering the unsolved, we have
a whole list of missing women andJane Do's as well from that area.
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So you never know, maybe inthe future it would be a good thing
to be able to give you guysmore updates like this, because this is
a good thing. You know,Jane Doe has a name, and you
know a missing person's case is solved. Yeah, it's wonderful about family is
you know they're gonna get somewhat ofa closure. Yeah, somewhat, you
know, maybe haven't have seen workdone. You know, they still need
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to know. They still an answers, The families still all answers, the
kids that still need to know whathappened to the mom. Maranne's family,
she had two kids, you know, even though one was placed for adoption,
there's still that bomb there. Theystill want to know about their mother.
Yeah, you know, and she'snot there now to give that information.
So it's just heartbreaking all the wayaround for these children and these poor
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mothers you know that either died notknowing what happened to their daughters or are
still alive grieving at every single day. And to know how close it you
know, Mandy an rooms with hermother. That's just so heartbreaking. Yeah,
most definitely. Well that's about allI got for this episode. How
about you, Christina? Yeah,I think she told it all. We
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do actually have an interview coming upas well. We were supposed to do
it today but her person had tocancel. And just because we don't dismiss
any theories, we're trying to covereverything. I have a friend, local
Lee, who was stationed at FortSill down there, and he got a
hold of me and was like,I'm just gonna tell you right now,
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man, Like it's a wild Westdown there. He told me all kinds
of crazy stories. He's like,if you know, I get in a
cab as soon as I get offbase because he was stationed there, I
think from ninety six to ninety eight, and he goes, Dude, when
you get in a cab down there, he goes, they'll lift the visor
down, they'll hand you a stackof women's pictures and what massage parlor they
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work at and stuff like that.And basically you just look at him and
it's like, well take me tothis one. Cab driver will just be
like, which one you want togo? See? My buddy being from
up here, He's just like,man, it was the craziest thing ever.
I didn't. They were just nonchalantabout it. So, I mean,
he's got a lot of good insightas to being a person who was
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stationed there from the military aspect aswell, so he has a good amount
of information. I think that'll that'llhelp us try to, you know,
narrow down some theories and explore theoriesmore so. I'm good because you know,
I had the military theories, soI'm sure I'll have lots of question.
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All right, well, I guessChristina, I will go ahead and
let you go until next week whenwe cover the next case. All right,
all right, bye on the n