August 7, 2025 • 40 mins
On today’s show, we dive into a heated national debate: Do immigrants who enter the United States illegally have a right to due process under the Constitution? The discussion was reignited after Indiana’s Lieutenant Governor, Micah Beckwith, made headlines when he told a crowd that illegal immigrants are not guaranteed due process protections under U.S. law. His comments were met with loud pushback, highlighting how divided Americans remain on this issue.
We examine what the Constitution actually says, how the courts have ruled in past cases, and where the line is drawn between immigration enforcement and civil liberties. What rights—if any—are extended to those who cross the border without documentation? And what are the legal and moral implications for both the individuals involved and the nation as a whole?
Join us as we unpack the legal, political, and emotional layers of this complex issue—and ask whether due process is truly a right for all, or a privilege tied to citizenship.
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We examine what the Constitution actually says, how the courts have ruled in past cases, and where the line is drawn between immigration enforcement and civil liberties. What rights—if any—are extended to those who cross the border without documentation? And what are the legal and moral implications for both the individuals involved and the nation as a whole?
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that is that is the tenth anniversary of this program,
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All right, today, what I want to talk about today, Well,
if you've listened to this program for some time, you
know that the current Lieutenant governor for the state of Indiana,
his name is Micah Beckwith. You may have known Micah previously.
He ran for Congress in Indiana as what was at
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sixth District. That's where Victoria Sparks is the current representative
he's run for that He was led the what is
the Heat? Who's Your Leadership? Series? I was introduced to
Micah long a relatively long time ago, somewhere along this
(02:53):
tenure journey. And if you listen to this program for
a long time, you know that Micah would be lieutenant
governor beck with now, which is I'm sorry, I'm just
I can't. I can't do that. But I don't mean
that disrespectfully. It's just it's just interesting having known him
before this, but.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You wouldn't know that he filled it on this program,
and so he's in the news. I saw this, I
don't know, a couple of days ago, but it keeps
getting more attention, and so I want to talk about it.
Today he was out a town hall meeting of some sort.
I'm not entirely sure what the meeting was, but he
was addressing a very raucous crowd, a crowd that wanted
(03:36):
to say, basically question what is happening regarding the administration,
the well the presidential administration, the White House and ice
and detentions and that sort of stuff, deportations, And Mike
(03:56):
ha made a comment that is actually right, but that
the folks on social media still cannot grasp. Maybe Micah
should have said it a little bit differently, with all
due respect to my friend and the Lieutenant governor, but
he was He's correct, and I'm going to go through
this today when it comes to this issue of due process.
(04:18):
And I'm going to start by playing by playing Matt SoundBite.
So that's where we're going to go. And there's other
stuff in the news as well, which you can always
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to the stack of stuff on our website and you'll
see the things that well, that I'm prepared to talk
about or that I have spoken about here on the program,
(04:40):
and you can read or watch the clips or whatever
it is, and that's at Tata show dot com. So
we'll get to that here in just a moment. Friends,
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But it seems to become more important or more noticeable
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that being said, let's set the state here. Let me
let me back up just just a bit, just a
bit here. Micah beck With, who's the lieutenant governor for Indiana,
who has a bunch of haters out there? I can
tell you is a good guy. Micah beck With is
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a good guy. Micah beckw is a sharp guy. Micah
beck With went to a school in Michigan called Hillsdale College.
Hillsdale College is a fantastic place of all the places,
my friends, of all the places where you can go
as a college student in this country. I would say,
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if you want to list the schools that are still
interested in teaching truth and adhering to some form of morality,
Hillsdal is in that group of people of schools, colleges,
universities that are trying to do it right. They are
teaching all their kids about these students, I should say,
(07:08):
about the Constitution. So Micah, by virtue is simply going
there has studied the Constitution significantly more than any other
person other than people who have gone to law school
or who are constitutional scholars. But the average person has
not read or is more familiar with the Constitution. Again,
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there's exceptions, but it's not through the normal course of
your academic pursuits. You would have had to take this
upon your shoulders personally to study, to read, and to
get familiar with the Constitution. So Micah Beckwith is grilled
about this. He is at again. I don't know the
meeting exactly, I've just seen clips of this, but he's
(07:52):
in front of a bunch of angry voters. Angry voters,
and what are they angry about. They're angry atout a lot.
They hate Trump, they hate the governor. Mike Braun, by
the way, Micah's pathway to being the lieutenant governor is
one that is not common. In fact, there's some tension
(08:15):
between Braun, Uh and Beckworth because of the way that
Micah became the lieutenant governor. Micah never ran for He
actually ran for lieutenant governor, which basically just meant he
made it known that he wanted to be lieutenant governor.
You don't run for the seat. Typically, what happens is
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someone becomes the nominee to be the Republican or the
Democrat for that matter, gubernatorial governor candidate, and then they
choose they choose their running mate. Well that's what it
appears to be the case, but there's actually a technical
step in the process, and that process the process happens
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at the convention where the delegates actually vote to approve
of the running mate for the person to be lieutenant
governor on the ticket. Well, Micah was not Braun's choice.
Braun had his own choice. Micah had been campaigning and
said from the very beginning this is what he was
going to do. Now, I will be honest with you.
(09:20):
You know, I tell you on this program very transparent here,
I told you, I say that this is I understand
if you would think that we're rarely wrong on this program.
I understand if you think that we get it right
all the time. And I'm there's good reason to believe that.
(09:41):
But I'm kidding, just kind of, but I'm kidding. I
was wrong on this. I thought Micah I never won.
I never told him this, not because I didn't. I
just didn't have We just didn't have the discussion. But
I wasn't gonna tell I'm just gonna ask about it.
What makes you know? Why are you doing this? Not
in some not in some just just out of curiosity.
(10:04):
Do you really think this is gonna work? Micah? I
didn't think it will work. It did work. It did work.
He won the support of enough of the delegates to
where he became the lieutenant governor. And kudos to him
for doing this. I did not think that he would
be able to pull this off, and he did. Now
he's been a guest host on this program. I don't
(10:25):
know if I finished that thought as I was talking
about him, end up in my just having known him.
But he filled in as a guest host on this program.
I don't know a handful of times over the course
of the past Uh probably six seven, I don't know,
several years. So anyway, he's he's a lieutenant governor. He's
out there. You know the routine, you know the drill.
(10:48):
There's a lot of people who are upset. There are
reports that ICE is looking at creating another what do
they call the one Alligator, alcatraz or whatever, down in Florida,
a detention center for illegal aliens. They're talking now there's
plans now of building one here in Indiana. This, of course,
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is another thing to get people upset about. You may
have seen zoron mom Dommy the excuse me, the mayoral
candidate for the City of New York, who's out there
saying that ICE is abducting people.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You hear people talking about the secret police. They call
these detention facilities, concentration camps, on and on. That's the crowd.
I just want you to know, that's the crowd. So
when I play this and you hear the it's only
thirty seconds and the fact it's been edited. I didn't
edit it, it just it's edited for time. This I've
(11:44):
pulled this off of TikTok. Believe it or not. It's
called the Twitter or excuse me, the TikTok page is
Fight for Progress. It's some leftist organization, leftist outfit. So
my grandpa used to say this outfit, but leftist group, right.
And so they've pulled this clip and they've edited it.
(12:04):
I don't mean for deceptive purposes. It's just it connects
to parts of this that has something in the middle
that you know, just it makes it longer. And people
have the attention span of a fly, especially if they're
a leftist. But so they've put this together and I
want to I want to play this in a moment,
and you're gonna hear a raucous crowd. They're going to
(12:26):
be upset, and they're gonna be going after Micah. They
think they've got him dead to rights. They think that
they are correct, They think that they understand due process,
which is what Mike is talking about. And we're going
to go through this today. We're going to do that
through this, go through this today. Now, Micah is exactly
right here. If you read the comments here, which at
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this moment in time as I'm speaking with you, there's
nine one hundred and eighty five comments. Ought just read
it for you a couple to give you an idea
of the flavor. You might imagine what some of these
comments are. How you going to know if they're illegal
or not without due process? That's what link one, Denn says.
(13:13):
Let's see, here's the next comment. This is why lawyers
should be primarily selected as legislative nominees. First of all,
this is Cam Casto. What is Cam talking about? The
lawyers are with aught to respect. There's good lawyers. Don't
misunderstand me. I've got good lawyers out there that listen.
I have an attorney that I hear from, for a
(13:34):
retired attorney who emails this program every once in a while,
and I love, always love hearing from him. But I'm
not saying that there's no good lawyers, but lawyer. Making
an entire legislative body out of pure attorneys is the
ruination of this great nation, one of the reasons for it. Anyway, again,
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I'm not saying the good ones. I'm saying the ones
who look for ways to manipulate and to create loopholes
and to create a system that just functions in a
way that normal, average people wouldn't create. But anyway, he
continues here and also also, Mike is not a legislator
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he's not a nominee. He's a lieutenant governor. Cam You
have no idea, dude, what you're talking about. I'm tired
of car salesman. He writes football coaches and reality show
hosts invading politics. Why why Trump was a reality show host?
And the truth is America is on a much better
(14:38):
trajectory than it was when the professional politicians were running
the show. Anyway. There's also some comments about Micah looking
like Seth MacFarlane, which I get interests makes me laugh
as well, but it says one person says, when did
Seth mcfar McFarlane get elected to office? I can see
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that hilarity. By the way, I never thought about that before,
but I can see it. Anyway. So Mike's in front
of the crowd, He's he's got a you know, an
angry crowd who's already come in with their mind made
up that Micah is on the side of the people
that want to send people to concentration camps. They want
to strip constitutional rights from from people, do process rights.
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They want to treat them like animals. They want to
separate families, they want to put people in cages. Right,
this is this is the mindset. Trump's a dictator by extension,
Micah as a Republican Trump's supporter, he has to be
a dictator supporting uh fascist right, this is the crowd.
(15:43):
So you're not gonna win with this crowd. You're not
gonna win with this crowd. In fact, one of the
things that we talk about from time to time on
this program, and I want to it's one of the
things I want to develop on the in the Inner
Circle is how to be more effective as a conservative communicator.
And one of the first things that you need to realize.
First thing you need to realize is is the person
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that I'm speaking with having this conversation or this dialogue
in good faith? Because if they're not, if they're angry,
if they're bitter, if they just want to prove that
I'm evil or whatever that's their intention, then you're wasting
your time and breath. You're wasting your time and breath.
They're not ready to hear the truth, then why do it.
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There's biblical verses that even remind me about stuff like this,
don't lay pearls before swine, for example. That know that
that sounds very what I want to say, that's Light's
diffuse of a lot of people. But you just if
someone is just wanting to be angry, mad, upset, justified,
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no interest in truth, no interest in dialogue, no interest
in even understanding where you're coming from, what your position is,
then just there's not a whole lot you can do. Now,
Mike is in a bit of a different situation here.
He's a public official. He's got to deal with these
people when these things come up, and that's what's happening here.
So all that being said, Micah standing in front of
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these madmen, and this is how it goes down.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So due process is in this set, in this set,
situation is are you here legally.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Getting arrested and charged with a crime, you seeing a judge,
and these people are not seeing a judge.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
They don't have a right to see a judge.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
They came here illegally. They came here illegally.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
If you are on American soil, your status does not matter.
You have a legal right in this country for due process.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So that was that was of course someone in the
audience there, Now I want to go through this. I
want to talk about this set.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
In this set.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't know why that decided to queueback up here.
But the truth is now Micah said, they don't have
a right to see a judge. They don't have a
right to see they have a right to see an
immigration judge. Micah is saying here this is not part
of the criminal proceedings. They don't have a right to
hear to see a trial judge in their criminal proceedings
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because first of all, they're not charged criminally. This is
a civil violation. It's still, by the way, illegal, just
like it's illegal to go ninety miles an hour in
a seventy mile an hour zone. It doesn't mean you're
going to go to prison for that. You can if
it's you know, just if you're drinking and driving, if
you're being incredibly dangerous, there are points that it becomes criminal.
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But simple speeding is not a criminal violation. It is
a civil infraction. But there still are consequences for this.
You may have to pay for a fine for a ticket,
right you may. I don't know there was a time.
I don't know how this works today, but you may
have to go to defensive driving, some sort of driving
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course or something like that to prove that you're not
just some maniac out there or whatever. That used to
be the case at least at some point, but there
could be ramifications consequences for that. There are consequences if
you're here illegally, and they do not involve seeing a
trial judge. They involve seeing an immigration court, a judge
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and an immigration court. So maybe Mike and misspoke, but
he's speaking from different contexts the other or from the
correct context, as long as it's provided and explained. The
other thing is the person speaking is right if the
person is charged criminally. If you're here and you are
an illegal alien, no one is claiming that. If you're
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charged with murder or rape or assault, no one is
claiming that you don't have criminal due process rights. That's
not what anyone is claiming. If you are arrested for assault,
then you are given due process. No one is trying
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to take that away. If they are, they're incorrect, they're misunderstanding. Now,
if they say we're not going to charge you criminally,
you're just not gonna be here. We're going to deport
you because you're an illegal alien, then they can go
back to the you know, through the immigration system. But
no one is talking about taking away due process rights
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for someone charged with the crime. And there's reasons for
this sort of stuff. I'll get to those of due course.
But Mica is correct here, and I want to go
through this. You can Google, you can go to chat
gpt ai and you'll find you'll find that Mica is
technically correct. Again, you have a right to see a judge,
(20:56):
but an immigration judge, not a trial judge. So, friends,
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So let me queue this up for when we get back.
When we get back, I've got to take a break
here in a moment, I'm going to talk about this.
I'm gonna talk about the difference between due process. There
are different types of due process, due process for criminal
(22:48):
allegations and for well being here in this country illegally.
So timeout is in order. My friends, sit tight. You're
listening to conservative not better talk. I'm your host, tot
huff back in mirror moments. Welcome back, my friends talking
here about due process. My friend, the lieutenant governor here
(23:09):
in Indiana was grilled for this recently at a town
hall type of an event, at a public event, where
he was faced by people again in the crowd, who
thinks that, well, that Republicans and MAGA supporters are Nazis,
that detention centers for illegal aliens are concentration camps, all
(23:33):
that sort of stuff, that it's racist to deport people
who are here illegally. That's the crowd, That's why they
were upset. Micah was correct that there is a difference
in due process. So there's different types of due process. Right,
there is due process for criminal charges and due process
(23:53):
for civil violations. Specifically, we're talking about the civil violation
of illegal in this nation. So if you are charged criminally,
you're charged as a crime. With the crime. There are
rights that are afforded to you that are explicitly mentioned
(24:14):
in the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment, the sixth Amendment, the
fourteenth Amendment. Some of those would include things like this,
you have a right to a public trial. You have
a right to an attorney, and one will be provided
for you even if you can't afford one. You have
the right to confront to face those who have made
(24:35):
the allegations and the accusations against you. You have the
right to not testify against yourself, to plead the fifth
that's avoiding the possibility of self incrimination. You have the
protections against double jeopardy. And that's not as Michael Scott
(24:55):
might tell you. A reason to answer with a question
that is double jeopard is when you're charged twice for
the same crime. When the state says we didn't get
the result that we wanted in that trial, let's charge
the person again. You are presumed to be innocent. The
level of proof must rise beyond a reasonable doubt. I've
(25:17):
shared with you stories from when I was on a
jury back in twenty eighteen. It was terrible. It was
a criminal trial. We found the defendant guilty of conspiracy
to commit murder of a five year old. It was terrible.
The five year old boy died. But proof beyond a
reasonable doubt means, I mean in general terms, that you're
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ninety some percent certain that there's no other explanation that
makes more sense than the allegations made by the state.
That basically is what that means. So why do we
have due process? You see This is fascinating because it's
like this part of the discussion is missed altogether. The
reason there's due process is because, throughout the course of
(26:03):
history and based and predicated upon human nature, the Founders
realized that courts, well that governments were run by people,
people who in many cases were power hungry, and people
who were willing to do whatever they had to do
to silence and shut up or to take advantage of
to get even with people who they didn't like. And
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so they would do whatever they could to go after
these people and to make their lives miserable, even up
to an including throwing them in jail or even worse.
And so, since liberty is a gift of God, which
the Founders articulated, we hold these truths to be self evident.
That all men are created equal, endowed by their creator
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with certain available rights, including life, liberty in the pursuit
of happiness. Liberty is in there. It means that I
am my own individual, I'm effectively I'm free. And so
if you are facing consequences for an action, a criminal action,
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that would lead to you being losing those liberties and freedoms,
then the Founders said, all the responsibility to prove all
that stuff lies with the state, and the person should
have all additional protections because we're about to take away
their freedoms or potentially even their life. So if that's
(27:35):
the case, then this is a serious thing. The government
has to prove it. It has to be transparent. They
have to be able to hear the evidence presented against them,
They must be able to present a defense. They must
be given an attorney. It's the only place in the
Constitution that I am at least that I can see
(27:56):
where something must be provided to someone else. You know, Typically,
I say a right is something that you can't force
someone else to do for you. That's why the right,
the right to healthcare is kind of a it's a
good thing. I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive to
give everyone access to health care and all that sort
of stuff. That's not what I'm saying. There are plenty
(28:17):
of good things that we can strive to do as
a society that are not rights. But we don't have
a right to health care because that requires someone else
to do something for us on our behalf. Are you
going to force people into labor, into to doing something.
It doesn't it doesn't jibe with the concept of a right.
This is the only right in the constitution where you
(28:39):
say this is where someone's going to do it for
you that and you're gonna you can pay for it.
If you can't, there's this government will pay for it.
They'll there will be a public defender, an attorney that
will represent you to try to navigate the complexities and
the details of criminal charges and help you present a
defense of yourself. That's concept. It's public. There's no hidden stuff.
(29:04):
You Again, you're presumed innocent. That you have to be
proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That is, if you're
charged criminally. Most people aren't facing criminal charges.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
People may deal with civil violations, things where you have
to pay a fine or some such thing, but that
is different from criminal. Now, the left will say, the
left is known for saying this being in this country
illegally is not a crime. That's not correct. It's not
a it is not a criminal violation. It can be
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if you come back, then it can be if you
do commit other crimes while you're here, it can be,
but it's not a criminal violation. So they want to
say it's not a it's not a crime, but there
are different types of crimes. As I've laid out before,
it's not against the law. They'll say it's not against
the law to be in the country illegally. Of course
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it is. There's literally laws on the books that say
that you can't and if you are here illegally, you
shall be deported. That's basically it, unless there's some exemption,
unless there's some claim and some granting of asylum or
something like that. So illegal immigration is a civil charge.
So criminal due process, this is the point applies if
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you are charged with a with a felony or something
that a crime that would result potentially in your misdemeanor
even where you would be jailed and lose your freedom.
And there's reasons that I just articulated why that's the case. Now,
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there is due process for civil violations, specifically due process
for deportation and immigration removal. What are those. Oh, now
we're getting into the meat of this, because I just
listed all the other things. All the other things you heard,
some of those examples due process in criminal charges, due
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process for a civil charge specifically deportation, and specifically beyond that,
immigration removal. The rights are limited under the Fifth Amendment,
so you don't get the full range of criminal rights.
Here are the rights that you have. Some of the
key rights. Anyway, if you are charged with a civil
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violation of being in this country illegally and the consequence
being deportation, not the loss of your liberty right, it's different.
You're not taking away someone's liberty. You're simply saying this
person is not allowed to be here, and so we're
going to take them and not let them be here.
We're going to deport them. So some of the key
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rights would be the right to the notice of the charges,
so they must be informed, Hey, you are you are
not here leely and so that's the charges of a
legal entry into this country have been. That's what you're facing,
which again is something that says you're not you've broken
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the law. You have a right to a hearing, not
before a criminal court judge, a trial judge, but an
immigration judge. You have the right to present evidence, the
right to provide testimony. You have the right to legal representation.
But it's not something that the government would pay for. Again,
why it's because it's not criminal. When you're looking at
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taking away someone's liberty, it changes the stakes are higher.
So since deportation is considered a civil matter, not punishment
for a crime, fewer protections apply here. Even though the
consequences being deported, maybe going to a place that's you know,
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oh there poses other risks. You might be have family
members that are here that you're separated from can be serious.
So there you go. I gotta take a break here
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Talking here about due process, the difference between due process
for criminal charges, the difference between well and due process
for a civil charge that could lead to deportation. As
I mentioned off the top, Micah, back with Lieutenant Governor here,
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was addressing a crowd who thought he was wrong. They
think that he's they think that they're right, that he's wrong.
They start yelling at him. Micah says, you don't have
a right to see a judge. Micah was saying, you
don't have a right to see a judge in the
criminal court process. You do have a right to see
an immigration judge. But this has been conflated and confused
that there are certain people that want the confusion that
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don't include Micah. Mike is actually out there saying the
correct thing. There's a different type of due process, and
no one is having that taken away. No one's wanting
that taken away. In fact, why would we be building
detention centers if we didn't, if we wanted to take
away due process. The reason that there's detention centers for
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these folks who are here illegally is because they have
to have a place where they are housed. They could
be released on bail of their own recognisance if the
court deems are the judge deems necessary or appropriate. The
problem is is that if you've been here illegally, of course,
I mean, I would think in the vast majority of
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cases that you are would be viewed as a flight risk.
I mean, the whole point is, you've come here, you've
tried to fly below the radar, and you've been running
in some capacity from the law the entire time you've
been here. It's one of the interesting things about illegal immigration.
You're constantly breaking the law. You're constantly It's not like
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you committed an act one time and then it's over
and you can't go back and change it. You could
actually change it at any moment by leaving the country
that you were not allowed to be in legally. So
you know, I want to tell you a quick story,
real quick story. I had to go to the license branch.
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I needed to get my what do they call it,
the real ID fact I couldn't get it. I may
have shared that on here. I had to have It's
a long discussion here. I won't go into the details,
but I was there waiting at the BMV Bureau of
Motor Vehicles, and I looked up on the wall. I
looked up on the wall, and of course they have
pictures of Mike Braun, the Governor of Indiana, and Micah
(36:38):
beck With, and just having known Mike, I took a
picture of the of his picture on the wall, and
I said something along the lines of I don't know
what to think about this, just teasing Mike. I think
Mike is great. There's a lot of things I like
about Micah beck With. I consider him a friend. I
consider he and I to be aligned on I mean,
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virtually everything. But I still want to tease and have
fun with the guy. But it was just interesting to
see his picture up there anyway. So, but there is
a difference between criminal mic is right here. There's a
difference between criminal due process and civil due process for
the reasons that I have explained, and of course there's
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much more, but this is a program that's got to
fit within the confines of the format, and so I
can't go into every single thing. But Micah is right.
So these claims, though, that due process has been violated
for criminal for people who are here illegally is just
simply false. It is one hundred percent false. I don't
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secure your future. So I really quickly, I just have
a minute or so left. What happens when I detain somebody.
Let's just go through this so that we understand this
is the process the process, do the person who's being
charged with this case, in this case not criminally, but
with the civil violation of being in this country without
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being here illegally. They would conduct some sort of a
raid or whatever they're doing. They target individuals who are
suspected of being here unlawfully violating immigration laws. They then
arrest those people. Right these you're not secret police. They're
not taking people to concentration camps, which is absurd and ridiculous.
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They take them to detention centers. These people are initially processed,
their fingerprinted, their photographed, They're entered into the DHS system.
Their immigration status is reviewed. They look for prior orders
of removal or criminal records that may influence what's going
to happen next. So then at that point ICE can
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release the person on bond, per role or on their
own recognissance. That's typically if they have family ties or
no criminal record, or they can keep them detained if
they think that this individual is a flight risk or
some sort of a danger. They're then given a notice
to appeer. Think about this is all due process. Notice
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to appear in an immigration court. That's where the charging you.
The document lists the violations the alleged violations of immigration law.
They have immigration court proceedings where they appear before an
immigration judge and then the judge makes a decision removal
or to grant relief in some way, which could take
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the shape of asylum or some sort of things. There's
appeals options, and then ultimately deportation. That's the process. I
gotta go though, SDG
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All right, today, what I want to talk about today, Well,
if you've listened to this program for some time, you
know that the current Lieutenant governor for the state of Indiana,
his name is Micah Beckwith. You may have known Micah previously.
He ran for Congress in Indiana as what was at
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sixth District. That's where Victoria Sparks is the current representative
he's run for that He was led the what is
the Heat? Who's Your Leadership? Series? I was introduced to
Micah long a relatively long time ago, somewhere along this
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tenure journey. And if you listen to this program for
a long time, you know that Micah would be lieutenant
governor beck with now, which is I'm sorry, I'm just
I can't. I can't do that. But I don't mean
that disrespectfully. It's just it's just interesting having known him
before this, but.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You wouldn't know that he filled it on this program,
and so he's in the news. I saw this, I
don't know, a couple of days ago, but it keeps
getting more attention, and so I want to talk about it.
Today he was out a town hall meeting of some sort.
I'm not entirely sure what the meeting was, but he
was addressing a very raucous crowd, a crowd that wanted
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to say, basically question what is happening regarding the administration,
the well the presidential administration, the White House and ice
and detentions and that sort of stuff, deportations, And Mike
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ha made a comment that is actually right, but that
the folks on social media still cannot grasp. Maybe Micah
should have said it a little bit differently, with all
due respect to my friend and the Lieutenant governor, but
he was He's correct, and I'm going to go through
this today when it comes to this issue of due process.
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And I'm going to start by playing by playing Matt SoundBite.
So that's where we're going to go. And there's other
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that being said, let's set the state here. Let me
let me back up just just a bit, just a
bit here. Micah beck With, who's the lieutenant governor for Indiana,
who has a bunch of haters out there? I can
tell you is a good guy. Micah beck With is
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a good guy. Micah beckw is a sharp guy. Micah
beck With went to a school in Michigan called Hillsdale College.
Hillsdale College is a fantastic place of all the places,
my friends, of all the places where you can go
as a college student in this country. I would say,
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if you want to list the schools that are still
interested in teaching truth and adhering to some form of morality,
Hillsdal is in that group of people of schools, colleges,
universities that are trying to do it right. They are
teaching all their kids about these students, I should say,
(07:08):
about the Constitution. So Micah, by virtue is simply going
there has studied the Constitution significantly more than any other
person other than people who have gone to law school
or who are constitutional scholars. But the average person has
not read or is more familiar with the Constitution. Again,
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there's exceptions, but it's not through the normal course of
your academic pursuits. You would have had to take this
upon your shoulders personally to study, to read, and to
get familiar with the Constitution. So Micah Beckwith is grilled
about this. He is at again. I don't know the
meeting exactly, I've just seen clips of this, but he's
(07:52):
in front of a bunch of angry voters. Angry voters,
and what are they angry about. They're angry atout a lot.
They hate Trump, they hate the governor. Mike Braun, by
the way, Micah's pathway to being the lieutenant governor is
one that is not common. In fact, there's some tension
(08:15):
between Braun, Uh and Beckworth because of the way that
Micah became the lieutenant governor. Micah never ran for He
actually ran for lieutenant governor, which basically just meant he
made it known that he wanted to be lieutenant governor.
You don't run for the seat. Typically, what happens is
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someone becomes the nominee to be the Republican or the
Democrat for that matter, gubernatorial governor candidate, and then they
choose they choose their running mate. Well that's what it
appears to be the case, but there's actually a technical
step in the process, and that process the process happens
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at the convention where the delegates actually vote to approve
of the running mate for the person to be lieutenant
governor on the ticket. Well, Micah was not Braun's choice.
Braun had his own choice. Micah had been campaigning and
said from the very beginning this is what he was
going to do. Now, I will be honest with you.
(09:20):
You know, I tell you on this program very transparent here,
I told you, I say that this is I understand
if you would think that we're rarely wrong on this program.
I understand if you think that we get it right
all the time. And I'm there's good reason to believe that.
(09:41):
But I'm kidding, just kind of, but I'm kidding. I
was wrong on this. I thought Micah I never won.
I never told him this, not because I didn't. I
just didn't have We just didn't have the discussion. But
I wasn't gonna tell I'm just gonna ask about it.
What makes you know? Why are you doing this? Not
in some not in some just just out of curiosity.
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Do you really think this is gonna work? Micah? I
didn't think it will work. It did work. It did work.
He won the support of enough of the delegates to
where he became the lieutenant governor. And kudos to him
for doing this. I did not think that he would
be able to pull this off, and he did. Now
he's been a guest host on this program. I don't
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know if I finished that thought as I was talking
about him, end up in my just having known him.
But he filled in as a guest host on this program.
I don't know a handful of times over the course
of the past Uh probably six seven, I don't know,
several years. So anyway, he's he's a lieutenant governor. He's
out there. You know the routine, you know the drill.
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There's a lot of people who are upset. There are
reports that ICE is looking at creating another what do
they call the one Alligator, alcatraz or whatever, down in Florida,
a detention center for illegal aliens. They're talking now there's
plans now of building one here in Indiana. This, of course,
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is another thing to get people upset about. You may
have seen zoron mom Dommy the excuse me, the mayoral
candidate for the City of New York, who's out there
saying that ICE is abducting people.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You hear people talking about the secret police. They call
these detention facilities, concentration camps, on and on. That's the crowd.
I just want you to know, that's the crowd. So
when I play this and you hear the it's only
thirty seconds and the fact it's been edited. I didn't
edit it, it just it's edited for time. This I've
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pulled this off of TikTok. Believe it or not. It's
called the Twitter or excuse me, the TikTok page is
Fight for Progress. It's some leftist organization, leftist outfit. So
my grandpa used to say this outfit, but leftist group, right.
And so they've pulled this clip and they've edited it.
(12:04):
I don't mean for deceptive purposes. It's just it connects
to parts of this that has something in the middle
that you know, just it makes it longer. And people
have the attention span of a fly, especially if they're
a leftist. But so they've put this together and I
want to I want to play this in a moment,
and you're gonna hear a raucous crowd. They're going to
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be upset, and they're gonna be going after Micah. They
think they've got him dead to rights. They think that
they are correct, They think that they understand due process,
which is what Mike is talking about. And we're going
to go through this today. We're going to do that
through this, go through this today. Now, Micah is exactly
right here. If you read the comments here, which at
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this moment in time as I'm speaking with you, there's
nine one hundred and eighty five comments. Ought just read
it for you a couple to give you an idea
of the flavor. You might imagine what some of these
comments are. How you going to know if they're illegal
or not without due process? That's what link one, Denn says.
(13:13):
Let's see, here's the next comment. This is why lawyers
should be primarily selected as legislative nominees. First of all,
this is Cam Casto. What is Cam talking about? The
lawyers are with aught to respect. There's good lawyers. Don't
misunderstand me. I've got good lawyers out there that listen.
I have an attorney that I hear from, for a
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retired attorney who emails this program every once in a while,
and I love, always love hearing from him. But I'm
not saying that there's no good lawyers, but lawyer. Making
an entire legislative body out of pure attorneys is the
ruination of this great nation, one of the reasons for it. Anyway, again,
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I'm not saying the good ones. I'm saying the ones
who look for ways to manipulate and to create loopholes
and to create a system that just functions in a
way that normal, average people wouldn't create. But anyway, he
continues here and also also, Mike is not a legislator
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he's not a nominee. He's a lieutenant governor. Cam You
have no idea, dude, what you're talking about. I'm tired
of car salesman. He writes football coaches and reality show
hosts invading politics. Why why Trump was a reality show host?
And the truth is America is on a much better
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trajectory than it was when the professional politicians were running
the show. Anyway. There's also some comments about Micah looking
like Seth MacFarlane, which I get interests makes me laugh
as well, but it says one person says, when did
Seth mcfar McFarlane get elected to office? I can see
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that hilarity. By the way, I never thought about that before,
but I can see it. Anyway. So Mike's in front
of the crowd, He's he's got a you know, an
angry crowd who's already come in with their mind made
up that Micah is on the side of the people
that want to send people to concentration camps. They want
to strip constitutional rights from from people, do process rights.
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They want to treat them like animals. They want to
separate families, they want to put people in cages. Right,
this is this is the mindset. Trump's a dictator by extension,
Micah as a Republican Trump's supporter, he has to be
a dictator supporting uh fascist right, this is the crowd.
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So you're not gonna win with this crowd. You're not
gonna win with this crowd. In fact, one of the
things that we talk about from time to time on
this program, and I want to it's one of the
things I want to develop on the in the Inner
Circle is how to be more effective as a conservative communicator.
And one of the first things that you need to realize.
First thing you need to realize is is the person
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that I'm speaking with having this conversation or this dialogue
in good faith? Because if they're not, if they're angry,
if they're bitter, if they just want to prove that
I'm evil or whatever that's their intention, then you're wasting
your time and breath. You're wasting your time and breath.
They're not ready to hear the truth, then why do it.
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There's biblical verses that even remind me about stuff like this,
don't lay pearls before swine, for example. That know that
that sounds very what I want to say, that's Light's
diffuse of a lot of people. But you just if
someone is just wanting to be angry, mad, upset, justified,
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no interest in truth, no interest in dialogue, no interest
in even understanding where you're coming from, what your position is,
then just there's not a whole lot you can do. Now,
Mike is in a bit of a different situation here.
He's a public official. He's got to deal with these
people when these things come up, and that's what's happening here.
So all that being said, Micah standing in front of
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these madmen, and this is how it goes down.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So due process is in this set, in this set,
situation is are you here legally.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Getting arrested and charged with a crime, you seeing a judge,
and these people are not seeing a judge.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
They don't have a right to see a judge.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
They came here illegally. They came here illegally.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
If you are on American soil, your status does not matter.
You have a legal right in this country for due process.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So that was that was of course someone in the
audience there, Now I want to go through this. I
want to talk about this set.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
In this set.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't know why that decided to queueback up here.
But the truth is now Micah said, they don't have
a right to see a judge. They don't have a
right to see they have a right to see an
immigration judge. Micah is saying here this is not part
of the criminal proceedings. They don't have a right to
hear to see a trial judge in their criminal proceedings
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because first of all, they're not charged criminally. This is
a civil violation. It's still, by the way, illegal, just
like it's illegal to go ninety miles an hour in
a seventy mile an hour zone. It doesn't mean you're
going to go to prison for that. You can if
it's you know, just if you're drinking and driving, if
you're being incredibly dangerous, there are points that it becomes criminal.
(18:47):
But simple speeding is not a criminal violation. It is
a civil infraction. But there still are consequences for this.
You may have to pay for a fine for a ticket,
right you may. I don't know there was a time.
I don't know how this works today, but you may
have to go to defensive driving, some sort of driving
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course or something like that to prove that you're not
just some maniac out there or whatever. That used to
be the case at least at some point, but there
could be ramifications consequences for that. There are consequences if
you're here illegally, and they do not involve seeing a
trial judge. They involve seeing an immigration court, a judge
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and an immigration court. So maybe Mike and misspoke, but
he's speaking from different contexts the other or from the
correct context, as long as it's provided and explained. The
other thing is the person speaking is right if the
person is charged criminally. If you're here and you are
an illegal alien, no one is claiming that. If you're
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charged with murder or rape or assault, no one is
claiming that you don't have criminal due process rights. That's
not what anyone is claiming. If you are arrested for assault,
then you are given due process. No one is trying
(20:14):
to take that away. If they are, they're incorrect, they're misunderstanding. Now,
if they say we're not going to charge you criminally,
you're just not gonna be here. We're going to deport
you because you're an illegal alien, then they can go
back to the you know, through the immigration system. But
no one is talking about taking away due process rights
(20:34):
for someone charged with the crime. And there's reasons for
this sort of stuff. I'll get to those of due course.
But Mica is correct here, and I want to go
through this. You can Google, you can go to chat
gpt ai and you'll find you'll find that Mica is
technically correct. Again, you have a right to see a judge,
(20:56):
but an immigration judge, not a trial judge. So, friends,
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So let me queue this up for when we get back.
When we get back, I've got to take a break
here in a moment, I'm going to talk about this.
I'm gonna talk about the difference between due process. There
are different types of due process, due process for criminal
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allegations and for well being here in this country illegally.
So timeout is in order. My friends, sit tight. You're
listening to conservative not better talk. I'm your host, tot
huff back in mirror moments. Welcome back, my friends talking
here about due process. My friend, the lieutenant governor here
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in Indiana was grilled for this recently at a town
hall type of an event, at a public event, where
he was faced by people again in the crowd, who
thinks that, well, that Republicans and MAGA supporters are Nazis,
that detention centers for illegal aliens are concentration camps, all
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that sort of stuff, that it's racist to deport people
who are here illegally. That's the crowd, That's why they
were upset. Micah was correct that there is a difference
in due process. So there's different types of due process. Right,
there is due process for criminal charges and due process
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for civil violations. Specifically, we're talking about the civil violation
of illegal in this nation. So if you are charged criminally,
you're charged as a crime. With the crime. There are
rights that are afforded to you that are explicitly mentioned
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in the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment, the sixth Amendment, the
fourteenth Amendment. Some of those would include things like this,
you have a right to a public trial. You have
a right to an attorney, and one will be provided
for you even if you can't afford one. You have
the right to confront to face those who have made
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the allegations and the accusations against you. You have the
right to not testify against yourself, to plead the fifth
that's avoiding the possibility of self incrimination. You have the
protections against double jeopardy. And that's not as Michael Scott
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might tell you. A reason to answer with a question
that is double jeopard is when you're charged twice for
the same crime. When the state says we didn't get
the result that we wanted in that trial, let's charge
the person again. You are presumed to be innocent. The
level of proof must rise beyond a reasonable doubt. I've
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shared with you stories from when I was on a
jury back in twenty eighteen. It was terrible. It was
a criminal trial. We found the defendant guilty of conspiracy
to commit murder of a five year old. It was terrible.
The five year old boy died. But proof beyond a
reasonable doubt means, I mean in general terms, that you're
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ninety some percent certain that there's no other explanation that
makes more sense than the allegations made by the state.
That basically is what that means. So why do we
have due process? You see This is fascinating because it's
like this part of the discussion is missed altogether. The
reason there's due process is because, throughout the course of
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history and based and predicated upon human nature, the Founders
realized that courts, well that governments were run by people,
people who in many cases were power hungry, and people
who were willing to do whatever they had to do
to silence and shut up or to take advantage of
to get even with people who they didn't like. And
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so they would do whatever they could to go after
these people and to make their lives miserable, even up
to an including throwing them in jail or even worse.
And so, since liberty is a gift of God, which
the Founders articulated, we hold these truths to be self evident.
That all men are created equal, endowed by their creator
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with certain available rights, including life, liberty in the pursuit
of happiness. Liberty is in there. It means that I
am my own individual, I'm effectively I'm free. And so
if you are facing consequences for an action, a criminal action,
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that would lead to you being losing those liberties and freedoms,
then the Founders said, all the responsibility to prove all
that stuff lies with the state, and the person should
have all additional protections because we're about to take away
their freedoms or potentially even their life. So if that's
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the case, then this is a serious thing. The government
has to prove it. It has to be transparent. They
have to be able to hear the evidence presented against them,
They must be able to present a defense. They must
be given an attorney. It's the only place in the
Constitution that I am at least that I can see
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where something must be provided to someone else. You know, Typically,
I say a right is something that you can't force
someone else to do for you. That's why the right,
the right to healthcare is kind of a it's a
good thing. I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive to
give everyone access to health care and all that sort
of stuff. That's not what I'm saying. There are plenty
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of good things that we can strive to do as
a society that are not rights. But we don't have
a right to health care because that requires someone else
to do something for us on our behalf. Are you
going to force people into labor, into to doing something.
It doesn't it doesn't jibe with the concept of a right.
This is the only right in the constitution where you
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say this is where someone's going to do it for
you that and you're gonna you can pay for it.
If you can't, there's this government will pay for it.
They'll there will be a public defender, an attorney that
will represent you to try to navigate the complexities and
the details of criminal charges and help you present a
defense of yourself. That's concept. It's public. There's no hidden stuff.
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You Again, you're presumed innocent. That you have to be
proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That is, if you're
charged criminally. Most people aren't facing criminal charges.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
People may deal with civil violations, things where you have
to pay a fine or some such thing, but that
is different from criminal. Now, the left will say, the
left is known for saying this being in this country
illegally is not a crime. That's not correct. It's not
a it is not a criminal violation. It can be
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if you come back, then it can be if you
do commit other crimes while you're here, it can be,
but it's not a criminal violation. So they want to
say it's not a it's not a crime, but there
are different types of crimes. As I've laid out before,
it's not against the law. They'll say it's not against
the law to be in the country illegally. Of course
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it is. There's literally laws on the books that say
that you can't and if you are here illegally, you
shall be deported. That's basically it, unless there's some exemption,
unless there's some claim and some granting of asylum or
something like that. So illegal immigration is a civil charge.
So criminal due process, this is the point applies if
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you are charged with a with a felony or something
that a crime that would result potentially in your misdemeanor
even where you would be jailed and lose your freedom.
And there's reasons that I just articulated why that's the case. Now,
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there is due process for civil violations, specifically due process
for deportation and immigration removal. What are those. Oh, now
we're getting into the meat of this, because I just
listed all the other things. All the other things you heard,
some of those examples due process in criminal charges, due
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process for a civil charge specifically deportation, and specifically beyond that,
immigration removal. The rights are limited under the Fifth Amendment,
so you don't get the full range of criminal rights.
Here are the rights that you have. Some of the
key rights. Anyway, if you are charged with a civil
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violation of being in this country illegally and the consequence
being deportation, not the loss of your liberty right, it's different.
You're not taking away someone's liberty. You're simply saying this
person is not allowed to be here, and so we're
going to take them and not let them be here.
We're going to deport them. So some of the key
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rights would be the right to the notice of the charges,
so they must be informed, Hey, you are you are
not here leely and so that's the charges of a
legal entry into this country have been. That's what you're facing,
which again is something that says you're not you've broken
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the law. You have a right to a hearing, not
before a criminal court judge, a trial judge, but an
immigration judge. You have the right to present evidence, the
right to provide testimony. You have the right to legal representation.
But it's not something that the government would pay for. Again,
why it's because it's not criminal. When you're looking at
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taking away someone's liberty, it changes the stakes are higher.
So since deportation is considered a civil matter, not punishment
for a crime, fewer protections apply here. Even though the
consequences being deported, maybe going to a place that's you know,
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oh there poses other risks. You might be have family
members that are here that you're separated from can be serious.
So there you go. I gotta take a break here
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My friends back in just a minute. Welcome back, my friends.
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Talking here about due process, the difference between due process
for criminal charges, the difference between well and due process
for a civil charge that could lead to deportation. As
I mentioned off the top, Micah, back with Lieutenant Governor here,
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was addressing a crowd who thought he was wrong. They
think that he's they think that they're right, that he's wrong.
They start yelling at him. Micah says, you don't have
a right to see a judge. Micah was saying, you
don't have a right to see a judge in the
criminal court process. You do have a right to see
an immigration judge. But this has been conflated and confused
that there are certain people that want the confusion that
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don't include Micah. Mike is actually out there saying the
correct thing. There's a different type of due process, and
no one is having that taken away. No one's wanting
that taken away. In fact, why would we be building
detention centers if we didn't, if we wanted to take
away due process. The reason that there's detention centers for
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these folks who are here illegally is because they have
to have a place where they are housed. They could
be released on bail of their own recognisance if the
court deems are the judge deems necessary or appropriate. The
problem is is that if you've been here illegally, of course,
I mean, I would think in the vast majority of
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cases that you are would be viewed as a flight risk.
I mean, the whole point is, you've come here, you've
tried to fly below the radar, and you've been running
in some capacity from the law the entire time you've
been here. It's one of the interesting things about illegal immigration.
You're constantly breaking the law. You're constantly It's not like
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you committed an act one time and then it's over
and you can't go back and change it. You could
actually change it at any moment by leaving the country
that you were not allowed to be in legally. So
you know, I want to tell you a quick story,
real quick story. I had to go to the license branch.
(36:14):
I needed to get my what do they call it,
the real ID fact I couldn't get it. I may
have shared that on here. I had to have It's
a long discussion here. I won't go into the details,
but I was there waiting at the BMV Bureau of
Motor Vehicles, and I looked up on the wall. I
looked up on the wall, and of course they have
pictures of Mike Braun, the Governor of Indiana, and Micah
(36:38):
beck With, and just having known Mike, I took a
picture of the of his picture on the wall, and
I said something along the lines of I don't know
what to think about this, just teasing Mike. I think
Mike is great. There's a lot of things I like
about Micah beck With. I consider him a friend. I
consider he and I to be aligned on I mean,
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virtually everything. But I still want to tease and have
fun with the guy. But it was just interesting to
see his picture up there anyway. So, but there is
a difference between criminal mic is right here. There's a
difference between criminal due process and civil due process for
the reasons that I have explained, and of course there's
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much more, but this is a program that's got to
fit within the confines of the format, and so I
can't go into every single thing. But Micah is right.
So these claims, though, that due process has been violated
for criminal for people who are here illegally is just
simply false. It is one hundred percent false. I don't
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know what else to say about this. There actually is
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secure your future. So I really quickly, I just have
a minute or so left. What happens when I detain somebody.
Let's just go through this so that we understand this
is the process the process, do the person who's being
charged with this case, in this case not criminally, but
with the civil violation of being in this country without
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being here illegally. They would conduct some sort of a
raid or whatever they're doing. They target individuals who are
suspected of being here unlawfully violating immigration laws. They then
arrest those people. Right these you're not secret police. They're
not taking people to concentration camps, which is absurd and ridiculous.
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They take them to detention centers. These people are initially processed,
their fingerprinted, their photographed, They're entered into the DHS system.
Their immigration status is reviewed. They look for prior orders
of removal or criminal records that may influence what's going
to happen next. So then at that point ICE can
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release the person on bond, per role or on their
own recognissance. That's typically if they have family ties or
no criminal record, or they can keep them detained if
they think that this individual is a flight risk or
some sort of a danger. They're then given a notice
to appeer. Think about this is all due process. Notice
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to appear in an immigration court. That's where the charging you.
The document lists the violations the alleged violations of immigration law.
They have immigration court proceedings where they appear before an
immigration judge and then the judge makes a decision removal
or to grant relief in some way, which could take
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the shape of asylum or some sort of things. There's
appeals options, and then ultimately deportation. That's the process. I
gotta go though, SDG
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