October 7, 2025 • 40 mins
Todd sits down with Shelby Campbell, a Democrat running in Michigan’s 13th District, for a frank, unexpected conversation about her viral clip referencing Charlie Kirk’s death, the apology that followed, and what “free speech” should look like in today’s climate. They explore common ground, from wanting civil debate to frustrations with media and political tribalism. Shelby shares how her upbringing shaped her views, why she thinks community matters more than party labels, and her priorities like healthcare and housing. Todd responds with a conservative case for rights, personal responsibility, and why language like “healthcare is a right” raises red flags. Agree or disagree, it’s a rare, civil back-and-forth worth hearing—and a preview of more interviews to come.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, that is right, my friends. You have tuned in,
ever so wisely to America's Home for conservative not bitter Talk.
It's my pleasure to be with you today. A little
bit different format, I guess for today. I have a
special guest who we've mentioned on this program in the
past several weeks. Her name is Shelby Campbell. She's running
for US Congress in the state of Michigan thirteen district
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in the Detroit area. I'll give you a little bit
of background on that conversation. I want to get her
on and get to talking with her as soon as
we can here, and I appreciate her joining us. You know,
I gotta tell you, it is amazing to me the
number of people who say, you know that they have
big comments to say on social media or provocative things.
(01:22):
And when I approach them about it, which I do
from time to time, and say hey, why don't you
come on and we'll talk about it, they run for
the hills. Shelby did not do that, So I truly
appreciate that. And so that's where we're going to get
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let me give you a little bit of backgrounded that
I'll bring Shelby on here in just a moment. So
we talked about this and I'm gonna let her respond
to all this stuff. But a couple of weeks ago,
in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination death. Shelby went
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to a TikTok. I think it may have been X.
I don't know. It's been lots of places now because
people have do edit it or used that clip and
so forth, and she said, quote, I'm not gonna play
the clip here, I'm just gonna read what she said,
very short video. Hey, maga, how does it excuse me?
How bad does it hurt that Jimmy Kimmel is back?
But you guys can't get your person back? And then
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she followed it with a laugh. I don't know if
that was hers or some audio from somewhere else. She
was referencing Charlie Kirk's death. I reached out to Shelby
via email. It was late one night, and I gotta
be honest, I didn't think she would respond. She responded
almost immediately, and she said that she was interested in
having a conversation, and I said, that's great, let's set
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something up. And she put me in contact with her
campaign manager, who was a little bit more reluctant, saying
that he didn't know that Shelby was wanting to was
ready from the campaign's perspective to talk about this, but
I heard from Shelby again and she said that she
wanted to talk, and so she's coming on the program
here today. Shelby, Welcome to the Toadhuff Show. Did I
(03:32):
summarize that correctly? Anything you would add just regarding how
I set that up?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Hi, I thank you again for having me on here,
But no, you said it perfectly. I'm sitting at my
kitchen table where I made the video. I can't say
I regretted because I have all this attention. I know
it's not good, but now, like, look, I wouldn't have
had this opportunity if I wouldn't have made the kind
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of I guess I can.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Say trashy video as everybody else has said. No, that
was that was me. It was my little dark humor
laugh at the end. Not very proud. It's not very
proud that everybody has seen. But what can I do now?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So you know me walk me through that rule. And
I don't want to belabor this. I don't. I mean,
I actually appreciate what you just I truly do. I mean,
we come from I'm a conservative, I'm a Christian. You're
on the I let you define where you fall. But
you're on the political left. Somewhere, but I appreciate. I
do appreciate that. So what was the thinking behind I mean,
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because I know you said that this was it was.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
None, absolutely absolutely none. It was like six fifty in
the morning at my house. I'm just bored. I like
to just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I like to just talk crap and like make dark jokes,
and I know that people don't like to joke about
death and I don't either. Like when I saw that
he had been assassinated, I made a video and I
was like, this is terrifying, Like he's my age, and
I think that's why it hits like differently for me
because I went to school with a lot of boys
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like Charlie Kirk. Like that's, like I said, my age,
my demographics white male, Christian, conservative, and it was very hard,
like I was bullied a lot, and I don't know
it was. It was just it's just a different environment.
And now that I've left that, I see it for
what it is, and I don't know, it's not all
like that. Not everybody is mean, but it's just I
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don't know. I grew up with boys like him, so
I guess I have a different perception of him.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay when you say like him, so I look and
you've owned it. I appreciate that. Now you said you
don't regret it because it's gotten you attention, which I
you know, I understand the marketing or the promotional side
of that. Yeah, do you regret I mean I think
about as what. I don't want to listen. I don't
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want to rake you over the calls over this. I don't.
But I think about you know, greed children, I mean
you have I think I saw on your on your website. Yeah,
it's it's I mean, you regret it for well, I'll
let you speak for you.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Are people like okay, for people looking at me like
I am an insensitive like witch devil as everybody has
been saying.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm not. I've just seen a lot of dark things
in my life.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like I said, my my best friend's dad passed away
when she was like eleven, and she always makes jokes
about it, you know, and I'm like, well, at least
your dad's dead so he can't talk to you.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And like, we just make jokes. And that's literally.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
What we do to get by in life. Because there's
so much darkness out there. We've all seen it. People genuinely,
like are generally project what they have experienced in life.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Just how I've been raised to like laugh through the
pain because we've just seen some stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I don't know if I can swear on here.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I don't know if how we're Yeah, we're on twenty
three radio stations. I'll get in trouble, but there we go.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Good.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So so okay, So I want to go. You made
a comment there, and I do want to dig a
little bit on that. You said that you grew up
with people like Charlie Kirk, and it sounds like maybe
you said that you were bullied or something. Maybe tell
me a little bit about your experience.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I guess, so, I guess I went. I grew up
in Rockton, Illinois.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It is like primarily white, like when you look at
the demographics, it doesn't even have like black on there.
And now I live in Detroit. It's a whole different
environment and race it does have an effect on it,
but it's just culturally. It's not oh like one person
acts like this because of that, like their skin color.
It's culture too. It's like where everybody's grown up and
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how they are raised. So like these boys are more conservative,
so growing up, they I don't know how to say it,
like they would like pursue you and then be the
one to call you names if you took an interest,
and it's just that's just what it seems like. It
seems like people preaching things that they don't follow behind
closed doors.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
When I saw the video of Charlie Kirk saying like
chimk like calling somebody that that reminds me of the
boys I went to school with, Like they didn't think
they were racist. Neither did I back then, but we
had a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Viewpoints that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
From a person of color, like listening to us, it's
so racist and we don't think it because we are
not used to being a minority ever. And now I
am so I have just learned to perceive things differently
by environment, And like I said, Charlie Kirk reminds me
a lot of where I came from.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And it wasn't so like my dad and my brothers.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It was like the boys that I went to high
school with, Like a lot of them now are Donald
Trump like Mago lovers, and they're still kind of mean
to me. And it's like I don't understand why you
guys think I'm this awful person. I've went to law school,
I finished half of that, I'm going to get my master's.
I've worked on the assembly line, I've bartended, I the CNA,
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like I have walked through so many walks of life
and like people still want to be mean to me
from high school and it's like, why are you guys
so mean? Still, it's like, be nice, like we were
all just kids. Grow up and enjoy life and be kind.
So I know it kind of sounds hypocritical when I'm
talking because of my me and Charlie Kirk thing, but
it's genuinely how I feel.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I don't know, I just went on a tangent.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's all right, I know it helps explain some thinking.
Mom with Shelby Campbell. She's running for Congress Democratic candidate's
thirteenth district in the state of Michigan in the Detroit area.
So how would you define your well? Before I asked that,
you'd mentioned you've alluded to racism a couple of times.
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Is it your contention or belief that I mean, I'm
a conservative? Fact the tagline on our program is conservative,
not bitter you and I have maybe more in common
than we realized with the way we were raised. My
dad was a u AW remember a local nine thirty
three here in Indianapolis, So I was I was raised
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in a Union Democrat home, not a leftist home, not
even a liberal home, a conservative Democrat home. But they
voted Democrat because of you know, because they thought that
Republicans were trying to get their jobs and that the
Democrats were protecting them. And basically that's summarizes their thinking.
But when you hear someone say they're a conservative, I mean,
you've used their ward racism?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Do you.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Is that inextricably linked in your mind? Do you think
I'm a racist?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Helby?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, what's what's the thinking when you hear that?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
No, And I genuinely, like I said, I don't think
people realize it because you haven't analyzed it in a
different like viewpoint. You just look at it from you
know yourself. But and it's that's exactly what I used
to do too. But No, I don't think a conservative
is just somebody that has more conservative values.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Like that's what it used to be, like Bush and
Obama and like or Mitt Romney and Obama. You know,
those debates were beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, I know I was young, but I still
watched it. And I don't think that not being a
conservative does not equal racist. It's just like the make
America great again, and you don't like define what you
mean by that and just put a slap like make
America great again. It's like make America great for who?
I agree, make America great for everybody? Though, where we
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don't go back in time when laws were put in
like we had to put laws in place to let
people of color and women vote and you have bank accounts,
like so it's like who was doing great then?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, maybe maybe white women were if they were married
to a white man.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But like a person of color couldn't even buy a
home in a neighborhood, Like when I was in law
school and we were reading about property laws, like it
literally said in the deeds like you cannot have like
a probably said negro then that you could not have
them live in the neighborhood like it was in the deed,
like you could not sell a house to that, And
it really humbled me. So it's not that people are racist,
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they just don't realize that the things they believe in
are rooted in racism and you don't know it until
you study it, and they don't want us to do that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Like in the South, I learned in.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
College that they rewrote the history books, so it's like, oh,
they really did, like rewrite it so that didn't seem
as bad as it was.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And that's just that's why education is so important to me.
I know I'm going on another Channi I.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Asked you, and that's helpful too. Can we certainly we
can agree? And I talk about this on this program
a lot. First of all, I want you to know
I didn't go to law school. I went to a
pre law program and decided not to be not to
pursue that path. But I can certainly in my mind
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recognize that there were things in America's past that are
not good, that are reprehensible, even slavery of course at
the top of that list. But can you just from
a put aside your politics for a moment, just as
a human being, can you see that maybe there are
things that not included in this, that are in part
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of America's history, that maybe we've deviated from some of
the foundational components of our of our history. The respect
for the Bill of Rights and individual liberty or do
you just not see it that way at all? Because
when I see make America great again, of course it
is open some degree to interpretation. But I would also
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say to you, certainly hope and change was as well,
But I would say, what is it that is there
a part of that that you can say. I can
see where they're coming from some of these things they
want to restore, because I mean, Shelby are our culture
is going to hell in a handbasket. Surely we can
agree on that at least part.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes, taking all politics out of it as a person
like that's why sorry drinking water. So that's like I
don't try to talk about like liberal, republican conservative like
I in the past, Like when I decided to run,
I was.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Like, I don't want to talk about that because it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We all have this, We all want the same things,
like you said, like fram of speech, like we should
all be able to say what we want to, not
have the media be like monitored, and like as long
as it's being truthful, you know, and not steering us
into war like my video was potentially doing, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And until I said I was sorry for it, you know,
like I didn't. I didn't ride on it and.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Like be like, yeah, everybody, let's fight. No, I was like, guys,
I'm sorry, Like let's get along. We want the same things.
And I don't know another tangent, but so did.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You put yeah I didn't see that. Did you put
out an apology video or something? Is that what you're saying. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I went on the news, actually the local news, and
they had me send in a videos like Fox two
or Fox four, And basically what I said is like
what I said was true, but or what I I
said was true, it was insensitive.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But it's just like the irony with the political climate
right now.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's just freedom of speech is being limited, it seems,
and not respected on both sides. Like both of us
feel the same way, so it's like, why are we
mad at each other?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
We agree?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it's interesting, Shelby, you say that. So one of
the things that we've done here in our family, a
couple of years ago, we sought our house and we
traveled the country for a bit to promote the show.
We called it the Truth Tour. And as I've traveled
the country, it's remarkable to me. I think and I
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say on this program, I say that I think that
eighty percent of this country. You Now, there might be
a little hyperbole here, but there's still truth here what
you said. I'm going to piggyback what you said. I
think eighty percent of the country would agree with eighty
percent of what I say on this program, even people
on the political left. I'm not talking about the radical
extreme leftists who know there are people out there that
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hate this country has founded, want to start from scratch,
and that's those are different, different different people. There's problems
all across the political spectrum. But I think there's a
lot of people who would agree and I and I'm
interested to hear you say that. So I guess where
do you think that those areas of agreement are? And
then maybe we'll talk a little bit about your politics
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in particular. But where do you think we can find agreement?
It'd be nice. I mean, I don't listen. I don't
want to compromise my principles that there's part of politics
is you got to be tough and fight for this
stuff in a nonviolent way, of course, but another part
of this is, hey, sometimes we talk past each other.
Sometimes we're we're so caught up in our uh in
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our tribes so to speak, that we don't see that
there is common ground. I actually wrote a column called
column common Ground. Uh what common ground do you see?
Or am I? Am I wrong in that assessment?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No? I think we honestly agree on almost everything. It's
just we have a different approach and how to get there.
And the division that has been like put on us
like throughout history just shows that like these people on
top have always wanted people on the bottom to not
agree and cite over things and not look at who
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is really in charge and who is in control of everything.
Like when I was in law school, as I said,
I just you read cases and all it is is
rich people being petty and suing each other in court
because they can because they have enough money. So they're
the ones that have literally made the foundation of our country.
And if people just knew that, they would go to
court more like you can represent yourself pro se, at
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least in Michigan. I don't know, And it's it's amazing,
but people don't know how much like power you have
as a person, And it's because you don't have time
to think about it. Because we're living in this capitalistic society.
And I think before you called, I was thinking, like,
I think your side thinks of communism and socialism as
like the think of capitalism.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I think like they're both good, just have.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Been implemented now at least capitalism by bad people that
are in charge and not redistributing everything that we've done,
like succeeded with capitalism with and like communism. I saw
somebody like post about that or socialism and they were like,
it's never worked, and I was like, yeah, because the
Chinese or the China famine.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I believe this is what my professor said. I can't
remember it was a few years ago, but don't quote me.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I think it was eighty million people died in that
famine when like they were a communist country, and it's
not because they didn't have enough, they just he wasn't listening.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
And that's the issue that we still have.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
People on the top do not listen to the people
on the bottom, and people on the bottom want to fight.
It's just a whole circle of everybody blaming everybody when
it's like no, just look up, they're the ones in charge,
that's who's doing it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Stop hating each other. There's more of us.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Than there are of them. And I said that in
class too, because there's just such a app in all of
the sectors that everybody thinks that we're all so different,
but we're literally all the same.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
It's just delivery and how you're raised.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, so where do you fall on the on the
political spectrum? You sound like you are not a fan
of capitalism, but I don't want to put words in
your mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
What yeah, I'm I am like it.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It did great, Like we can mass produce and like
that's and what I mean with the sectors, Like when
I was sitting in a classroom full of twenty year
old kids and I'm like twenty eight or something. When
I was there, they had no idea, like how the
assembly line worked.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm like we I was like, when I worked ten.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Hours at the Belvedere assembly plant in Illinois, we would
build six hundred and eighteen jeep I think Jeep with
the Cherokee whatever, a Jeep six hundred and eighteen in
one shift and there was three shifts then in so
many cars. That's every day. I'm like, where is all
this going? And they were like wow, I'm like, yeah,
we have succeeded, like we have enough. Like I think
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I saw on the news that were like sending things
places and then burning it instead of giving food to people.
Like why, it's It's insane to me, and it's disgusting,
and we just all need to come together and that's it,
and this division really does need to stop. And I
sound hypocritical because of how I'm here, but it's how
I genuinely feel, and I love people.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I want to get along.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Listen, I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a Bible believing
Christian and I didn't know. I didn't know. In fact,
I shared with my listeners. I have no idea. I
don't do many interviews. Tomorrow we have Eric Trump coming
on the program, but we don't do many interviews by design.
And I had no idea where this was going to go.
I mean, all I had to go on was a
few emails and you know the video that I had
(20:48):
initially seen, And I had no idea where this was
going to go. But I I think that people, especially
if you accept responsibility, I mean, it was it was
pretty bad. I think what you did, but I'm not
here to cast judgment. Welcome little buddy, but and that's
fine too. I get we got kids here as well.
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But I think you know people, people are forgiving for
you know, genuine, genuine, I guess, change of heart. So
I'm happy to hear that coming from you. I have
other questions for you. I'm getting up against the break here.
Are you willing to stick around for the next segment
or do you need to cut Shelby.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's out here now kicking the ball, and I told
him I would take him to go get sharks at
the gas station, so you might fight us if I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Okay, that's all right. Well, I'm just I'm out of
time in this segment, really quickly in thirty seconds. Thirty seconds,
I mean, tell me your political position, just what you're
running on, just at a nutshell thirty second campaign speech,
so that people understand your political perspective.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I want to get back to community. That means healthcare
for all. We all deserve it. It should be a right.
Housing should be a right. We just need to come
together and focus on what is important, which is ourselves
and our children.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
We need to get back to wanting to.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Make the world great, I guess, or America great for
everyone and that is including the next generation. We've kind
of gotten into this me me me, and we need
to get back to like we we.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
We If that makes sense, I guess I could end
it on that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So that's good. That's all the time that we have.
I'm Shelby. I hope that you feel like you were
able to say what you wanted to say on this program.
I appreciate you joining us, And wasn't that bad? I
don't think was it?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Actually, this is what I want to do, a little
nerve wracking.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But this is exact well, I've got a due to
time constraints. I appreciate you joining us. That's Shelby Campbell,
running in Michigan's thirteenth district Democratic candidates. Folks, I gotta
take a break. You're listening here to conservative not better talk.
I'm your host, Todt huff back in just a minute.
(23:05):
Welcome back, my friends. What did you think of that
conversation I had with Shelby Campell A lot of things
I wanted to talk about. She agreed to come on
the first segment, so she didn't jump up ship there.
I just looked at the clock and thought, man, there's
you know, I just I didn't know. I didn't know
as I was preparing for that interview. I mean, you
got to put yourself in my shoes. All I know
(23:26):
is that there's a person that's willing to talk with
me that I think said some reprehensible things that needs
to not happen, especially for someone running for office. These
sorts of things shouldn't be said. She owned it. I mean,
she owned it by and large. I wasn't gonna rake
her over the coles continually over that. She seemed to basically,
(23:48):
you know, apologize and turn from that. So anyway, but
the point is, I didn't know if I was going
to be on here with someone who was going to
be defending that, and I was going to push to
talk about, you know why that shouldn't be acceptable, and
then they would hang up. So I was ready to
go to other topics or whatever. I had no idea
(24:09):
where this was going to go. But that's a pleasant conversation,
and I appreciate Shelby coming on. But there's some follow
ups that I wished that I had time, and I
was trying to get to I'm interested in. She mentioned
being bullied by conservatives, and maybe that happened I'm certain.
I'm sure that it can happen. There's certainly Listen, I've
(24:30):
been I think remarkably consistent on this. There are people
in every group, in every single group that we break
ourselves into, liberal, conservative, you know, Christian atheists. There are
people in every group that make bad choices, right even
I mean, I go through the list of the people
in the Bible. In fact, we're going through the Book
(24:51):
of Psalms, my family and I and we're rating a
lot of David's Psalms. I mean, David was an adulterer
and a murderer. God never can doned the behavior he did,
say that David was a man after his own heart.
There are people that are in any group that can
do reprehensible things. And if we're all being honest with
ourselves as human beings capable of well who have committed
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and are capable of great sin, we can do reprehensible things.
And so there are people that are doing bad things
in any group. The problem, though, what you really want
to sniff out and eliminate are the groups that encourage
and defend poor or bad choices and behavior. I would
(25:36):
contend and Shelby, this is one of the things I
was going to ask her. She was talking about how
capitalism and communism have both whatever degrees they've failed, it's
because of some other factor, right, it's because of humans.
I heard about this the leader in the case of communism.
They I remember my last course in College of butlerwell,
(25:57):
I think it was my last think it was my
senior spring semester. I think it was. Anyway, one of
the last courses I took at Butler was a course
called is Capitalism really Better? And I don't know where
shop would have asked her that, because I remember at
the end of that course there were eight of us
in the class, four girls, four boys. The four boys,
we had a vote. Someone said, let's vote, is capitalism
(26:18):
or communism better? The four boys voted. Myself included I
identify as a Mail and I am a Mail. I
raised my hand and cast my ballot firmly for capitalism.
The four girls all voted for communism. I'm not saying
that all girls are communists. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just giving you the facts. And it was a
tie vote, which was problematic to me. But one of
(26:41):
the defenses for communism is, well, the ideas are so great.
We just haven't had what they call the benevolent leader.
We've always had someone in there who just couldn't get
it right. The ideas are sound, these are I'm not
saying that they are. I'm saying this is the argument.
So I wanted to ask her a little bit about that.
She said, healthcare is a right. Health care is not
(27:03):
a right. She's gone to law school, she should she
should know this. Or right is not something that you
can demand that someone else provide for you. Or right
is something you have inherently from your creator. That's why
you have a right to free speech. I mean, I
have a brain, I have my beliefs and ideas and
preferences and everything else, and I've got my mouth and
(27:26):
I can say them on here. You don't have to
listen to them. I can say them, you know, as
I go about my day. I can talk to people
on the street about them, in the office place, in
my home, where I can choose not to. I have
the freedom to say what I want. Now there's other
factors that might say, hey, not the best time to
bring that up, that sort of thing. But I have
the freedom of speech, not because someone has given me that,
(27:48):
but because I have it, I can exercise it. I mean,
that should be very very clear. I have the right,
which is at the second Amendment is built upon the
right to protect myself from from bottle line harm, whether
that harm comes at the hands of a common criminal
or the crime the risk the violence comes at the
(28:08):
hands of someone who is representing the government and a tyrant.
I have the right to defend myself using a firearm
or whatever other means that I can use. I mean,
it's again, you can see I have that inherently. The
only way is to stop that is for someone to
try to physically prevent me from using it. Right, health
(28:30):
care is not that way. I'm not saying it's not
something we should aspire to. I'm not talking about government
run health care. But we should aspire to have a
country where people can get you know, can get the
health care they need as affordably as possible. That's that's
a good thing. Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is
(28:51):
when you start saying it's right and that someone else
has to pay for that, someone else has to provide
that that's no longer right. The right to petition your
government for a redress of grievances, the right to be
able to congregate and to assembol with people whomever you want.
You can go protest. You have that right again, you
(29:12):
can go do it. There's nothing that prevents you from
doing it naturally. Only governments or forces can try to
prevent that. That's why these things are rights. Rights come
from God. There are many good things that are out there.
I think it's good for everyone to have a job.
You don't have a god given right to work at
(29:33):
a specific company. You don't have a guarantee to be
hired by anybody. You have the right to go and
do work. There's right to work laws. I have the
right if given the opportunity to work somewhere, I have
the right to go and to be able to provide
for my family. But I don't have the right to
demand someone give me a job and pay me for
something if it doesn't fit into their budgets and to
(29:56):
their plans and so forth. So we could have talked
a little bit about that, a little bit more about
you know, her ideology and so forth. But anyway, I
want all I mean. I again, I had no idea
where the conversation was going to go, So I just
I didn't know. I didn't know if it would be
a five minute conversation or something that I wanted to continue.
(30:18):
So I did want to continue it just for the
sake of asking some of those questions. Sorry we couldn't,
but again, I want you to know that she didn't
sign up for something and then back out. She We
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got a couple of minutes left, So I would say
my my takeaways from that conversation with Shelby number one,
(32:09):
it was I said, I didn't know where it was
going to go. It was a better conversation, I don't
want to say than I anticipated, because I didn't really
know what to anticipate. So at least we had a conversation.
I'm glad that she at least apologize or to some
degree backed away from her remarks saying it's dark, Hue.
(32:32):
I mean, you can, you can assess the thinking and
all that, but she did. She didn't stand by them
and demand that you know, like she said, that you know,
helped me join this fight. And that's what happens a
lot of times in politics. You have some of these
politicians say ridiculous things, then they double triple, quadruple down,
(32:52):
and suddenly suddenly there, I mean, they've they've got a
rabid base that's ready and willing to defend them to
do any sort of behavior, no matter how reprehensible it
may be. So I mean, I commend her for that.
I appreciate her coming on. I still don't know if
she got approved by her campaign manager. Her campaign manager
(33:13):
did tell me that he didn't want her doing this
just yet, or she wasn't ready to have that conversation,
but she did reach back out. I give her all
the credit in the world. I think that her politics
are terrible, and I absolutely would not vote for her
for her, but but my friends, at least we can
(33:34):
have a conversation with somebody like Shelby. So I appreciate
her coming on. Time out is in order of my
friends getting into the segment. You're listening here to conservative
not better talk. In fact, if you don't believe we're
conservative not better, I mean, just listen to that interview.
I don't know how to prove it, my friends. I
didn't want to rake her over the cols or attacker,
and we didn't. We gave her a chance to respond,
(33:57):
and I enjoyed it. Quick time out though back in
just a minute. Welcome back, my friends. And I was
thinking during the break, what is the right I mean,
if you go back and I've played, I don't want
to belabor this, but I know some of you out
(34:18):
there there, may you know you might not want to
see Shelby let off the hook at all, because I mean,
those initial comments were pretty terrible. Again, let me read them.
I'm not going to play the clip. I don't even
know if I have the clip handy here. She says, hey, maga,
how bad does it hurt? The Jimmy Kimmel is back,
But you guys can't get your person back, and then
(34:40):
she said that was her laugh, which again, I can't
play the SoundBite right now. I just don't have it
pulled up. But I don't know I listen, So what's
the right way. I know that there are all sorts
of videos out there of people raking her over the coals,
and base upon that video, I say, I say that
(35:03):
that's exactly justifiable. I mean, based upon that, Now, what
do you do if she says, you know what.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
You know?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
She she did say, I don't I appreciate the attention
that this has brought me. You know, she's running for Congress.
This has brought her attention. But she has apologized too.
I don't know. I mean, I think that there should
just be a full throated apology and say, listen, that
was wrong with me. I I I don't know. I
(35:33):
don't know how you do that, I listen, especially on
social media, I don't understand it. Or writing a message.
I mean, I don't have a problem with being you know,
Kert or Frank or Candid, whatever you want to say,
but to but to do a video like that, to
cut it and then probably hopefully at least look at it,
(35:56):
and then post it. There's just so many steps that
you would think. There's screaming out there saying I probably
shouldn't post that, and there's a lot more steps to
that than there are coming on this program every day
and speaking right and that. I've got one filter. The
filter is as I'm thinking about what to say specifically,
(36:18):
I mean, I have a I know what I want
to get to for the day, I know generally what
I want to discuss, but this isn't a scripted show.
I don't plan out every statement. This is a conversation
with you right about the issues of the day and
so forth. And how I say something specifically comes out
with my brain thinking about it right before I say it,
(36:41):
thinking about timing, and thinking about the cadence or the pace,
the tone. I got to do all that in real time,
and I've never said anything as reprehensible as that. And
there's a lot there's a lot more likelihood that something
could happen on this show then, uh then than to
(37:02):
take the time to record a video, review the video,
take time to post and upload the video. There's so
many checkpoints there. So I know some people think, well,
you just shouldn't let her off the hook, and you know,
I don't know. I come at this as best I
know how, And we didn't get into the issue of faith.
I don't. I don't want to speak as to what
(37:22):
Shelby believes from a biblical perspective because I don't. I
don't know. I can only say what what I believe.
And you know, what else are you supposed to do?
If she acknowledges she shouldn't have done it. You move on.
Maybe she's not maybe she's shown she's not fit for office.
I think there's other reasons to say people should make
(37:42):
another choice, uh in in this election and in Detroit.
But again, I mean, this is not going to be
a conservative district to begin with. So anyway, I'm curious
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It's my pleasure to be with you today. A little
bit different format, I guess for today. I have a
special guest who we've mentioned on this program in the
past several weeks. Her name is Shelby Campbell. She's running
for US Congress in the state of Michigan thirteen district
(01:00):
in the Detroit area. I'll give you a little bit
of background on that conversation. I want to get her
on and get to talking with her as soon as
we can here, and I appreciate her joining us. You know,
I gotta tell you, it is amazing to me the
number of people who say, you know that they have
big comments to say on social media or provocative things.
(01:22):
And when I approach them about it, which I do
from time to time, and say hey, why don't you
come on and we'll talk about it, they run for
the hills. Shelby did not do that, So I truly
appreciate that. And so that's where we're going to get
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let me give you a little bit of backgrounded that
I'll bring Shelby on here in just a moment. So
we talked about this and I'm gonna let her respond
to all this stuff. But a couple of weeks ago,
in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination death. Shelby went
(02:28):
to a TikTok. I think it may have been X.
I don't know. It's been lots of places now because
people have do edit it or used that clip and
so forth, and she said, quote, I'm not gonna play
the clip here, I'm just gonna read what she said,
very short video. Hey, maga, how does it excuse me?
How bad does it hurt that Jimmy Kimmel is back?
But you guys can't get your person back? And then
(02:50):
she followed it with a laugh. I don't know if
that was hers or some audio from somewhere else. She
was referencing Charlie Kirk's death. I reached out to Shelby
via email. It was late one night, and I gotta
be honest, I didn't think she would respond. She responded
almost immediately, and she said that she was interested in
having a conversation, and I said, that's great, let's set
(03:11):
something up. And she put me in contact with her
campaign manager, who was a little bit more reluctant, saying
that he didn't know that Shelby was wanting to was
ready from the campaign's perspective to talk about this, but
I heard from Shelby again and she said that she
wanted to talk, and so she's coming on the program
here today. Shelby, Welcome to the Toadhuff Show. Did I
(03:32):
summarize that correctly? Anything you would add just regarding how
I set that up?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Hi, I thank you again for having me on here,
But no, you said it perfectly. I'm sitting at my
kitchen table where I made the video. I can't say
I regretted because I have all this attention. I know
it's not good, but now, like, look, I wouldn't have
had this opportunity if I wouldn't have made the kind
(03:59):
of I guess I can.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Say trashy video as everybody else has said. No, that
was that was me. It was my little dark humor
laugh at the end. Not very proud. It's not very
proud that everybody has seen. But what can I do now?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
So you know me walk me through that rule. And
I don't want to belabor this. I don't. I mean,
I actually appreciate what you just I truly do. I mean,
we come from I'm a conservative, I'm a Christian. You're
on the I let you define where you fall. But
you're on the political left. Somewhere, but I appreciate. I
do appreciate that. So what was the thinking behind I mean,
(04:36):
because I know you said that this was it was.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
None, absolutely absolutely none. It was like six fifty in
the morning at my house. I'm just bored. I like
to just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I like to just talk crap and like make dark jokes,
and I know that people don't like to joke about
death and I don't either. Like when I saw that
he had been assassinated, I made a video and I
was like, this is terrifying, Like he's my age, and
I think that's why it hits like differently for me
because I went to school with a lot of boys
(05:06):
like Charlie Kirk. Like that's, like I said, my age,
my demographics white male, Christian, conservative, and it was very hard,
like I was bullied a lot, and I don't know
it was. It was just it's just a different environment.
And now that I've left that, I see it for
what it is, and I don't know, it's not all
like that. Not everybody is mean, but it's just I
(05:29):
don't know. I grew up with boys like him, so
I guess I have a different perception of him.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay when you say like him, so I look and
you've owned it. I appreciate that. Now you said you
don't regret it because it's gotten you attention, which I
you know, I understand the marketing or the promotional side
of that. Yeah, do you regret I mean I think
about as what. I don't want to listen. I don't
(05:55):
want to rake you over the calls over this. I don't.
But I think about you know, greed children, I mean
you have I think I saw on your on your website. Yeah,
it's it's I mean, you regret it for well, I'll
let you speak for you.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Are people like okay, for people looking at me like
I am an insensitive like witch devil as everybody has
been saying.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I'm not. I've just seen a lot of dark things
in my life.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Like I said, my my best friend's dad passed away
when she was like eleven, and she always makes jokes
about it, you know, and I'm like, well, at least
your dad's dead so he can't talk to you.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And like, we just make jokes. And that's literally.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
What we do to get by in life. Because there's
so much darkness out there. We've all seen it. People genuinely,
like are generally project what they have experienced in life.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And I guess that's.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Just how I've been raised to like laugh through the
pain because we've just seen some stuff.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I don't know if I can swear on here.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I don't know if how we're Yeah, we're on twenty
three radio stations. I'll get in trouble, but there we go.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Good.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
So so okay, So I want to go. You made
a comment there, and I do want to dig a
little bit on that. You said that you grew up
with people like Charlie Kirk, and it sounds like maybe
you said that you were bullied or something. Maybe tell
me a little bit about your experience.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I guess, so, I guess I went. I grew up
in Rockton, Illinois.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
It is like primarily white, like when you look at
the demographics, it doesn't even have like black on there.
And now I live in Detroit. It's a whole different
environment and race it does have an effect on it,
but it's just culturally. It's not oh like one person
acts like this because of that, like their skin color.
It's culture too. It's like where everybody's grown up and
(07:39):
how they are raised. So like these boys are more conservative,
so growing up, they I don't know how to say it,
like they would like pursue you and then be the
one to call you names if you took an interest,
and it's just that's just what it seems like. It
seems like people preaching things that they don't follow behind
closed doors.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
When I saw the video of Charlie Kirk saying like
chimk like calling somebody that that reminds me of the
boys I went to school with, Like they didn't think
they were racist. Neither did I back then, but we
had a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Viewpoints that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
From a person of color, like listening to us, it's
so racist and we don't think it because we are
not used to being a minority ever. And now I
am so I have just learned to perceive things differently
by environment, And like I said, Charlie Kirk reminds me
a lot of where I came from.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And it wasn't so like my dad and my brothers.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It was like the boys that I went to high
school with, Like a lot of them now are Donald
Trump like Mago lovers, and they're still kind of mean
to me. And it's like I don't understand why you
guys think I'm this awful person. I've went to law school,
I finished half of that, I'm going to get my master's.
I've worked on the assembly line, I've bartended, I the CNA,
(09:01):
like I have walked through so many walks of life
and like people still want to be mean to me
from high school and it's like, why are you guys
so mean? Still, it's like, be nice, like we were
all just kids. Grow up and enjoy life and be kind.
So I know it kind of sounds hypocritical when I'm
talking because of my me and Charlie Kirk thing, but
it's genuinely how I feel.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And I don't know, I just went on a tangent.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's all right, I know it helps explain some thinking.
Mom with Shelby Campbell. She's running for Congress Democratic candidate's
thirteenth district in the state of Michigan in the Detroit area.
So how would you define your well? Before I asked that,
you'd mentioned you've alluded to racism a couple of times.
(09:45):
Is it your contention or belief that I mean, I'm
a conservative? Fact the tagline on our program is conservative,
not bitter you and I have maybe more in common
than we realized with the way we were raised. My
dad was a u AW remember a local nine thirty
three here in Indianapolis, So I was I was raised
(10:05):
in a Union Democrat home, not a leftist home, not
even a liberal home, a conservative Democrat home. But they
voted Democrat because of you know, because they thought that
Republicans were trying to get their jobs and that the
Democrats were protecting them. And basically that's summarizes their thinking.
But when you hear someone say they're a conservative, I mean,
you've used their ward racism?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Do you.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Is that inextricably linked in your mind? Do you think
I'm a racist?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Helby?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I mean, what's what's the thinking when you hear that?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
No?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
No, And I genuinely, like I said, I don't think
people realize it because you haven't analyzed it in a
different like viewpoint. You just look at it from you
know yourself. But and it's that's exactly what I used
to do too. But No, I don't think a conservative
is just somebody that has more conservative values.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Like that's what it used to be, like Bush and
Obama and like or Mitt Romney and Obama. You know,
those debates were beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, I know I was young, but I still
watched it. And I don't think that not being a
conservative does not equal racist. It's just like the make
America great again, and you don't like define what you
mean by that and just put a slap like make
America great again. It's like make America great for who?
I agree, make America great for everybody? Though, where we
(11:20):
don't go back in time when laws were put in
like we had to put laws in place to let
people of color and women vote and you have bank accounts,
like so it's like who was doing great then?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, maybe maybe white women were if they were married
to a white man.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But like a person of color couldn't even buy a
home in a neighborhood, Like when I was in law
school and we were reading about property laws, like it
literally said in the deeds like you cannot have like
a probably said negro then that you could not have
them live in the neighborhood like it was in the deed,
like you could not sell a house to that, And
it really humbled me. So it's not that people are racist,
(12:02):
they just don't realize that the things they believe in
are rooted in racism and you don't know it until
you study it, and they don't want us to do that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Like in the South, I learned in.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
College that they rewrote the history books, so it's like, oh,
they really did, like rewrite it so that didn't seem
as bad as it was.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And that's just that's why education is so important to me.
I know I'm going on another Channi I.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Asked you, and that's helpful too. Can we certainly we
can agree? And I talk about this on this program
a lot. First of all, I want you to know
I didn't go to law school. I went to a
pre law program and decided not to be not to
pursue that path. But I can certainly in my mind
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recognize that there were things in America's past that are
not good, that are reprehensible, even slavery of course at
the top of that list. But can you just from
a put aside your politics for a moment, just as
a human being, can you see that maybe there are
things that not included in this, that are in part
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of America's history, that maybe we've deviated from some of
the foundational components of our of our history. The respect
for the Bill of Rights and individual liberty or do
you just not see it that way at all? Because
when I see make America great again, of course it
is open some degree to interpretation. But I would also
(13:31):
say to you, certainly hope and change was as well,
But I would say, what is it that is there
a part of that that you can say. I can
see where they're coming from some of these things they
want to restore, because I mean, Shelby are our culture
is going to hell in a handbasket. Surely we can
agree on that at least part.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yes, taking all politics out of it as a person
like that's why sorry drinking water. So that's like I
don't try to talk about like liberal, republican conservative like
I in the past, Like when I decided to run,
I was.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Like, I don't want to talk about that because it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
We all have this, We all want the same things,
like you said, like fram of speech, like we should
all be able to say what we want to, not
have the media be like monitored, and like as long
as it's being truthful, you know, and not steering us
into war like my video was potentially doing, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And until I said I was sorry for it, you know,
like I didn't. I didn't ride on it and.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Like be like, yeah, everybody, let's fight. No, I was like, guys,
I'm sorry, Like let's get along. We want the same things.
And I don't know another tangent, but so did.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You put yeah I didn't see that. Did you put
out an apology video or something? Is that what you're saying. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I went on the news, actually the local news, and
they had me send in a videos like Fox two
or Fox four, And basically what I said is like
what I said was true, but or what I I
said was true, it was insensitive.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
But it's just like the irony with the political climate
right now.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's just freedom of speech is being limited, it seems,
and not respected on both sides. Like both of us
feel the same way, so it's like, why are we
mad at each other?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
We agree?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, it's interesting, Shelby, you say that. So one of
the things that we've done here in our family, a
couple of years ago, we sought our house and we
traveled the country for a bit to promote the show.
We called it the Truth Tour. And as I've traveled
the country, it's remarkable to me. I think and I
(15:38):
say on this program, I say that I think that
eighty percent of this country. You Now, there might be
a little hyperbole here, but there's still truth here what
you said. I'm going to piggyback what you said. I
think eighty percent of the country would agree with eighty
percent of what I say on this program, even people
on the political left. I'm not talking about the radical
extreme leftists who know there are people out there that
(16:00):
hate this country has founded, want to start from scratch,
and that's those are different, different different people. There's problems
all across the political spectrum. But I think there's a
lot of people who would agree and I and I'm
interested to hear you say that. So I guess where
do you think that those areas of agreement are? And
then maybe we'll talk a little bit about your politics
(16:21):
in particular. But where do you think we can find agreement?
It'd be nice. I mean, I don't listen. I don't
want to compromise my principles that there's part of politics
is you got to be tough and fight for this
stuff in a nonviolent way, of course, but another part
of this is, hey, sometimes we talk past each other.
Sometimes we're we're so caught up in our uh in
(16:43):
our tribes so to speak, that we don't see that
there is common ground. I actually wrote a column called
column common Ground. Uh what common ground do you see?
Or am I? Am I wrong in that assessment?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No? I think we honestly agree on almost everything. It's
just we have a different approach and how to get there.
And the division that has been like put on us
like throughout history just shows that like these people on
top have always wanted people on the bottom to not
agree and cite over things and not look at who
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is really in charge and who is in control of everything.
Like when I was in law school, as I said,
I just you read cases and all it is is
rich people being petty and suing each other in court
because they can because they have enough money. So they're
the ones that have literally made the foundation of our country.
And if people just knew that, they would go to
court more like you can represent yourself pro se, at
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least in Michigan. I don't know, And it's it's amazing,
but people don't know how much like power you have
as a person, And it's because you don't have time
to think about it. Because we're living in this capitalistic society.
And I think before you called, I was thinking, like,
I think your side thinks of communism and socialism as
like the think of capitalism.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I think like they're both good, just have.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Been implemented now at least capitalism by bad people that
are in charge and not redistributing everything that we've done,
like succeeded with capitalism with and like communism. I saw
somebody like post about that or socialism and they were like,
it's never worked, and I was like, yeah, because the
Chinese or the China famine.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I believe this is what my professor said. I can't
remember it was a few years ago, but don't quote me.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I think it was eighty million people died in that
famine when like they were a communist country, and it's
not because they didn't have enough, they just he wasn't listening.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
And that's the issue that we still have.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
People on the top do not listen to the people
on the bottom, and people on the bottom want to fight.
It's just a whole circle of everybody blaming everybody when
it's like no, just look up, they're the ones in charge,
that's who's doing it.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Stop hating each other. There's more of us.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Than there are of them. And I said that in
class too, because there's just such a app in all of
the sectors that everybody thinks that we're all so different,
but we're literally all the same.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
It's just delivery and how you're raised.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, so where do you fall on the on the
political spectrum? You sound like you are not a fan
of capitalism, but I don't want to put words in
your mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
What yeah, I'm I am like it.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It did great, Like we can mass produce and like
that's and what I mean with the sectors, Like when
I was sitting in a classroom full of twenty year
old kids and I'm like twenty eight or something. When
I was there, they had no idea, like how the
assembly line worked.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'm like we I was like, when I worked ten.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Hours at the Belvedere assembly plant in Illinois, we would
build six hundred and eighteen jeep I think Jeep with
the Cherokee whatever, a Jeep six hundred and eighteen in
one shift and there was three shifts then in so
many cars. That's every day. I'm like, where is all
this going? And they were like wow, I'm like, yeah,
we have succeeded, like we have enough. Like I think
(20:01):
I saw on the news that were like sending things
places and then burning it instead of giving food to people.
Like why, it's It's insane to me, and it's disgusting,
and we just all need to come together and that's it,
and this division really does need to stop. And I
sound hypocritical because of how I'm here, but it's how
I genuinely feel, and I love people.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I want to get along.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Listen, I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a Bible believing
Christian and I didn't know. I didn't know. In fact,
I shared with my listeners. I have no idea. I
don't do many interviews. Tomorrow we have Eric Trump coming
on the program, but we don't do many interviews by design.
And I had no idea where this was going to go.
I mean, all I had to go on was a
few emails and you know the video that I had
(20:48):
initially seen, And I had no idea where this was
going to go. But I I think that people, especially
if you accept responsibility, I mean, it was it was
pretty bad. I think what you did, but I'm not
here to cast judgment. Welcome little buddy, but and that's
fine too. I get we got kids here as well.
(21:08):
But I think you know people, people are forgiving for
you know, genuine, genuine, I guess, change of heart. So
I'm happy to hear that coming from you. I have
other questions for you. I'm getting up against the break here.
Are you willing to stick around for the next segment
or do you need to cut Shelby.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He's out here now kicking the ball, and I told
him I would take him to go get sharks at
the gas station, so you might fight us if I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Okay, that's all right. Well, I'm just I'm out of
time in this segment, really quickly in thirty seconds. Thirty seconds,
I mean, tell me your political position, just what you're
running on, just at a nutshell thirty second campaign speech,
so that people understand your political perspective.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I want to get back to community. That means healthcare
for all. We all deserve it. It should be a right.
Housing should be a right. We just need to come
together and focus on what is important, which is ourselves
and our children.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
We need to get back to wanting to.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Make the world great, I guess, or America great for
everyone and that is including the next generation. We've kind
of gotten into this me me me, and we need
to get back to like we we.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
We If that makes sense, I guess I could end
it on that.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So that's good. That's all the time that we have.
I'm Shelby. I hope that you feel like you were
able to say what you wanted to say on this program.
I appreciate you joining us, And wasn't that bad? I
don't think was it?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Actually, this is what I want to do, a little
nerve wracking.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But this is exact well, I've got a due to
time constraints. I appreciate you joining us. That's Shelby Campbell,
running in Michigan's thirteenth district Democratic candidates. Folks, I gotta
take a break. You're listening here to conservative not better talk.
I'm your host, Todt huff back in just a minute.
(23:05):
Welcome back, my friends. What did you think of that
conversation I had with Shelby Campell A lot of things
I wanted to talk about. She agreed to come on
the first segment, so she didn't jump up ship there.
I just looked at the clock and thought, man, there's
you know, I just I didn't know. I didn't know
as I was preparing for that interview. I mean, you
got to put yourself in my shoes. All I know
(23:26):
is that there's a person that's willing to talk with
me that I think said some reprehensible things that needs
to not happen, especially for someone running for office. These
sorts of things shouldn't be said. She owned it. I mean,
she owned it by and large. I wasn't gonna rake
her over the coles continually over that. She seemed to basically,
(23:48):
you know, apologize and turn from that. So anyway, but
the point is, I didn't know if I was going
to be on here with someone who was going to
be defending that, and I was going to push to
talk about, you know why that shouldn't be acceptable, and
then they would hang up. So I was ready to
go to other topics or whatever. I had no idea
(24:09):
where this was going to go. But that's a pleasant conversation,
and I appreciate Shelby coming on. But there's some follow
ups that I wished that I had time, and I
was trying to get to I'm interested in. She mentioned
being bullied by conservatives, and maybe that happened I'm certain.
I'm sure that it can happen. There's certainly Listen, I've
(24:30):
been I think remarkably consistent on this. There are people
in every group, in every single group that we break
ourselves into, liberal, conservative, you know, Christian atheists. There are
people in every group that make bad choices, right even
I mean, I go through the list of the people
in the Bible. In fact, we're going through the Book
(24:51):
of Psalms, my family and I and we're rating a
lot of David's Psalms. I mean, David was an adulterer
and a murderer. God never can doned the behavior he did,
say that David was a man after his own heart.
There are people that are in any group that can
do reprehensible things. And if we're all being honest with
ourselves as human beings capable of well who have committed
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and are capable of great sin, we can do reprehensible things.
And so there are people that are doing bad things
in any group. The problem, though, what you really want
to sniff out and eliminate are the groups that encourage
and defend poor or bad choices and behavior. I would
(25:36):
contend and Shelby, this is one of the things I
was going to ask her. She was talking about how
capitalism and communism have both whatever degrees they've failed, it's
because of some other factor, right, it's because of humans.
I heard about this the leader in the case of communism.
They I remember my last course in College of butlerwell,
(25:57):
I think it was my last think it was my
senior spring semester. I think it was. Anyway, one of
the last courses I took at Butler was a course
called is Capitalism really Better? And I don't know where
shop would have asked her that, because I remember at
the end of that course there were eight of us
in the class, four girls, four boys. The four boys,
we had a vote. Someone said, let's vote, is capitalism
(26:18):
or communism better? The four boys voted. Myself included I
identify as a Mail and I am a Mail. I
raised my hand and cast my ballot firmly for capitalism.
The four girls all voted for communism. I'm not saying
that all girls are communists. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just giving you the facts. And it was a
tie vote, which was problematic to me. But one of
(26:41):
the defenses for communism is, well, the ideas are so great.
We just haven't had what they call the benevolent leader.
We've always had someone in there who just couldn't get
it right. The ideas are sound, these are I'm not
saying that they are. I'm saying this is the argument.
So I wanted to ask her a little bit about that.
She said, healthcare is a right. Health care is not
(27:03):
a right. She's gone to law school, she should she
should know this. Or right is not something that you
can demand that someone else provide for you. Or right
is something you have inherently from your creator. That's why
you have a right to free speech. I mean, I
have a brain, I have my beliefs and ideas and
preferences and everything else, and I've got my mouth and
(27:26):
I can say them on here. You don't have to
listen to them. I can say them, you know, as
I go about my day. I can talk to people
on the street about them, in the office place, in
my home, where I can choose not to. I have
the freedom to say what I want. Now there's other
factors that might say, hey, not the best time to
bring that up, that sort of thing. But I have
the freedom of speech, not because someone has given me that,
(27:48):
but because I have it, I can exercise it. I mean,
that should be very very clear. I have the right,
which is at the second Amendment is built upon the
right to protect myself from from bottle line harm, whether
that harm comes at the hands of a common criminal
or the crime the risk the violence comes at the
(28:08):
hands of someone who is representing the government and a tyrant.
I have the right to defend myself using a firearm
or whatever other means that I can use. I mean,
it's again, you can see I have that inherently. The
only way is to stop that is for someone to
try to physically prevent me from using it. Right, health
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care is not that way. I'm not saying it's not
something we should aspire to. I'm not talking about government
run health care. But we should aspire to have a
country where people can get you know, can get the
health care they need as affordably as possible. That's that's
a good thing. Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is
(28:51):
when you start saying it's right and that someone else
has to pay for that, someone else has to provide
that that's no longer right. The right to petition your
government for a redress of grievances, the right to be
able to congregate and to assembol with people whomever you want.
You can go protest. You have that right again, you
(29:12):
can go do it. There's nothing that prevents you from
doing it naturally. Only governments or forces can try to
prevent that. That's why these things are rights. Rights come
from God. There are many good things that are out there.
I think it's good for everyone to have a job.
You don't have a god given right to work at
(29:33):
a specific company. You don't have a guarantee to be
hired by anybody. You have the right to go and
do work. There's right to work laws. I have the
right if given the opportunity to work somewhere, I have
the right to go and to be able to provide
for my family. But I don't have the right to
demand someone give me a job and pay me for
something if it doesn't fit into their budgets and to
(29:56):
their plans and so forth. So we could have talked
a little bit about that, a little bit more about
you know, her ideology and so forth. But anyway, I
want all I mean. I again, I had no idea
where the conversation was going to go, So I just
I didn't know. I didn't know if it would be
a five minute conversation or something that I wanted to continue.
(30:18):
So I did want to continue it just for the
sake of asking some of those questions. Sorry we couldn't,
but again, I want you to know that she didn't
sign up for something and then back out. She We
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got a couple of minutes left, So I would say
my my takeaways from that conversation with Shelby number one,
(32:09):
it was I said, I didn't know where it was
going to go. It was a better conversation, I don't
want to say than I anticipated, because I didn't really
know what to anticipate. So at least we had a conversation.
I'm glad that she at least apologize or to some
degree backed away from her remarks saying it's dark, Hue.
(32:32):
I mean, you can, you can assess the thinking and
all that, but she did. She didn't stand by them
and demand that you know, like she said, that you know,
helped me join this fight. And that's what happens a
lot of times in politics. You have some of these
politicians say ridiculous things, then they double triple, quadruple down,
(32:52):
and suddenly suddenly there, I mean, they've they've got a
rabid base that's ready and willing to defend them to
do any sort of behavior, no matter how reprehensible it
may be. So I mean, I commend her for that.
I appreciate her coming on. I still don't know if
she got approved by her campaign manager. Her campaign manager
(33:13):
did tell me that he didn't want her doing this
just yet, or she wasn't ready to have that conversation,
but she did reach back out. I give her all
the credit in the world. I think that her politics
are terrible, and I absolutely would not vote for her
for her, but but my friends, at least we can
(33:34):
have a conversation with somebody like Shelby. So I appreciate
her coming on. Time out is in order of my
friends getting into the segment. You're listening here to conservative
not better talk. In fact, if you don't believe we're
conservative not better, I mean, just listen to that interview.
I don't know how to prove it, my friends. I
didn't want to rake her over the cols or attacker,
and we didn't. We gave her a chance to respond,
(33:57):
and I enjoyed it. Quick time out though back in
just a minute. Welcome back, my friends. And I was
thinking during the break, what is the right I mean,
if you go back and I've played, I don't want
to belabor this, but I know some of you out
(34:18):
there there, may you know you might not want to
see Shelby let off the hook at all, because I mean,
those initial comments were pretty terrible. Again, let me read them.
I'm not going to play the clip. I don't even
know if I have the clip handy here. She says, hey, maga,
how bad does it hurt? The Jimmy Kimmel is back,
But you guys can't get your person back, and then
(34:40):
she said that was her laugh, which again, I can't
play the SoundBite right now. I just don't have it
pulled up. But I don't know I listen, So what's
the right way. I know that there are all sorts
of videos out there of people raking her over the coals,
and base upon that video, I say, I say that
(35:03):
that's exactly justifiable. I mean, based upon that, Now, what
do you do if she says, you know what.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
You know?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
She she did say, I don't I appreciate the attention
that this has brought me. You know, she's running for Congress.
This has brought her attention. But she has apologized too.
I don't know. I mean, I think that there should
just be a full throated apology and say, listen, that
was wrong with me. I I I don't know. I
(35:33):
don't know how you do that, I listen, especially on
social media, I don't understand it. Or writing a message.
I mean, I don't have a problem with being you know,
Kert or Frank or Candid, whatever you want to say,
but to but to do a video like that, to
cut it and then probably hopefully at least look at it,
(35:56):
and then post it. There's just so many steps that
you would think. There's screaming out there saying I probably
shouldn't post that, and there's a lot more steps to
that than there are coming on this program every day
and speaking right and that. I've got one filter. The
filter is as I'm thinking about what to say specifically,
(36:18):
I mean, I have a I know what I want
to get to for the day, I know generally what
I want to discuss, but this isn't a scripted show.
I don't plan out every statement. This is a conversation
with you right about the issues of the day and
so forth. And how I say something specifically comes out
with my brain thinking about it right before I say it,
(36:41):
thinking about timing, and thinking about the cadence or the pace,
the tone. I got to do all that in real time,
and I've never said anything as reprehensible as that. And
there's a lot there's a lot more likelihood that something
could happen on this show then, uh then than to
(37:02):
take the time to record a video, review the video,
take time to post and upload the video. There's so
many checkpoints there. So I know some people think, well,
you just shouldn't let her off the hook, and you know,
I don't know. I come at this as best I
know how, And we didn't get into the issue of faith.
I don't. I don't want to speak as to what
(37:22):
Shelby believes from a biblical perspective because I don't. I
don't know. I can only say what what I believe.
And you know, what else are you supposed to do?
If she acknowledges she shouldn't have done it. You move on.
Maybe she's not maybe she's shown she's not fit for office.
I think there's other reasons to say people should make
(37:42):
another choice, uh in in this election and in Detroit.
But again, I mean, this is not going to be
a conservative district to begin with. So anyway, I'm curious
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