274 - Hayley Jo

I nearly popped a rib laughing during this one with my good mate Hayley Jo. Come with us as we track Hayley Jo's emotional rollercoaster that is her career to where she is now, in the global phenomenon that is The West End's "Mama Mia".
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Episode Transcript

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she is returning. She's a greatfriend of mine and god, God
did I laugh hard during this witha great story, a great story over
the past year or two of perseverance, resilience and inspiration. Really put good
crack throughout it is of course,Hailey Joe Murphy, Hailey Joe, welcome

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back. You're back, your goodI'm on my day off at the moment
from work, so it's really consistentof just doing some washing and food shop
and sleeping on the couch. Lifeoutside the theater is it's like you leave

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everything in the theater and then youwalk out and it's like, oh fuck,
oh Jesus, there's real life outsidehere. Oh Christ right okay,
yeah yeah, and you can't reallytake part in the real life that you
want to take part in. Yeah, it's got great ideas like one day
a week, or what can Ido in big in London town there's so
many things, especially at Christmas,and then you walk out onto the street

(02:38):
and there's people everywhere and you justgo absolutely not, I'm done. I'm
going back and I can't. Ican't face London again. One day off
a week, just like, letme go home, AUS. We'll go
back because obviously we'll explain to peoplewhat the what you're doing at the minute,
because obviously we know each other throughpanto originally, and your mother was
our first choreographer. That I meanshe she lost all hope and to be

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fair, its day one. Shewas like Christ, who is this pig
with shoes on? Okay, therest of you, I'll teach you how
to dance. Tom, you justwaddle along in between these people who know
what they're doing. So but itwas we we what did we do three
pantos together? I think it wasthree snow white cinder. It was three

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yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I want. I can't
I can't tell I can't differentiate betweenany of them. No, And that's
that's I was only asked it theother night because I was in U c
H the other night and somebody said, and do you remember you were in
And I swear on my life ifI was in court, but my hand

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in the Bible, I could nottell you. I went. I could
tell you the mickey acting we didside stage or on stage during a show.
I could tell you that, allright, But has hurt them the
memory bank? And some people canremember their lines and ship from years ago.
And I'm like, what, whatdo you? How do you not
wipe the hard drive the second youwalk away from that job? How do

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you? Like? Yeah, nota chance. Half the time while we
were doing it, I'd be like, what's the name of this one?
Again? You look around? Ohthere's a bean stock. Yes, well
I can deduct from that. It'sa yeah. But you you then,

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because we chatted before and you wereback and forth from you. You were
in Dublin and then you were overin you were kind of in London and
Dublin, London, and back andforth. And then you were you were
working in a You're working in abar, and you were telling me about
some of the dick stuff. It'slike phenomenal level of absolute dick that used
to come into that bar. Iwas. I was back and forth so

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much before before lockdown anyway, Iwas. I was back and forth a
lot because it was just a tossup of being like, I'm moving back
to London, I'm going to giveit another shot, and then being there
a couple of months and then beinglike I hate it here again, so
then having to move home, andthen I'd realize nothing's changed at home and
there's only like you know, youexhaust all avenues there. Then I'm like,

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oh fuck, I might as wellgo back to London. Then,
so it's just and then going throughthe I mean I've from since the bar,
I've had many many other jobs.Because you worked in the gym then
for a while, didn't you,Well, did you work in a gym
for a while? I did.I was in sales in a gym,

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and then I was a gym instructor, and then I worked in a very
prestigious jewelers in Dublin. Actually thatwas a fun little fever dream. Yeah,
I was handing on all the Rolexesand pack tech pleep. I think
it's called all those. I don'tknow anything about watches, right, it
seems it seems to be new thingfor blokes to be absolutely nerding out on

(05:54):
well watched it. I'm like Idid like I can understand the car,
or I can understand nerd a noteon things that do stuff. But it
just tells the dame and only otherdudes are ever going to be impressed by
it. No woman has ever gotto go, oh my god, is
that a particular Philip? The priceson these watches, and I'm not gonna

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lie I did. I did dropa few in my time in the job.
Luckily was it all carpetive. Mostof the time they'd be going up
for a service, so you justsay nothing and just put it in the
bag and say nothing. But youget you get the amount of characters that

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come in because people that are intowatches, they're not just your average like
just they're just not normal people.There's always something quirky about them, or
you know, you describe people likeyou section them into what brand watch they
wear. So you've got like theRolax people, But then you've got the
Cartier ladies who you don't want todeal with if you see you can see

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them, and once they sit downand they place the cartio in front of
you, you just go, ohno, like I wonder is my break
coming up? So somebody else candeal with this. Our cartier is our
cartier ol ones? Are they theKaren of the luxury watch luxury watch line
the interesting? And who's the doseof a fella? Then who's If the

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Cartier woman is the Karen, who'sthe John, who's the the dose of
a fella coming in? Let mesee? I'd say, well, what
watch do you wear? Fucking Iwould typically wear a g shot. That's
what I wear. Do you knowwhy? Because it can be hit by

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a fucking hammer and be driven overby a digger and not break. That's
essentially the what you give this.You don't give me something that costs thirty
or forty thousand euros. You don'tyou get something that at top one hundred
and twenty one hundred and fifty quid. That's it and I will have that
for life, Haley, Joe.I will have that for life, yes

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dead right, yeah, no,we have like the I guess he used
to have, you know, thetag tag who kind of yes ran,
which I can never take. Ican never take seriously because it was because
of the tag here, like it'sjust I know, that's why. That's
why I had to take it.I didn't play. It was like tag
tag who. There must be afancy way of saying always yeah really tag

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all right, right right, okay, there's a few lads to listen to
this now, like like they're watchesand stuff like that. So this is
your card. This is your cardmark leads. If you're a tag filot,
don't be a fucking dose and justjust just don't be a dick.
Like but yeah, there's that.And in the Rolex rex situation is madness

(09:01):
the whole there's waiting lists for likefive years waiting on it. You need
to put your name down and everything. This is the new thing. And
I don't know whether it's because theybecame so popular, like reselling Rolexes,
and then everyone had a Rolex thatthey weren't as in demand. So you're
not as important if you wear aRolex because those people have rodaxes. I
mean I don't. I don't knowanyone, and none of my friends do.

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But so now there's a big waitinglist to that, and there's the
whole procedure of how you present therolex and the bag that it's in,
and you have to put gloves on, and there's all this monarchy, which
yeah, but when so you're you'rein this this scenario and the there is

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no like are you looking at itnegatively? Because for me, in that
scenario, I'm going, oh,I'm mopping up all your fucking madness because
I will use this down the linecreatively somewhere like because you have to like,
do you know you have to ebecause literally now you could play the
old Cartier lady. You could beher, like you you know what I
mean? You could go right,I'm just going to take fucking Beatrice from
fucking Docky and that's why I'm goingto be in my fucking fore coat completely.

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And do you know what? Mymom kept saying that to me,
She was like, you need youneed to start writing all of these characters
down, because like I'd come homeand I'd relay her the stories and she
wouldn't believe me. She couldn't believethe madness that I was telling her.
And even the the employees there areare hilarious, and there's like very much

(10:31):
of a an old school kind ofthing that's been around for years and people
have worked there for years. Soyou have all these different personalities that are
just so bonkers and are so removedfrom anything else in the world, like
that is there, that is theirlife. Wow, this studiors is absolutely
your life. I mean had ourmanager of the department I was in was

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an absolute, absolute legend. Buthe let me away with murder. He
really did, because you're not youknow, yeah yeah, And like I
mean, it's not like it wasn'ta job. You know, you should
take every job you do seriously,but every now and then, you know,
if you had a heavy night thenight before, you wouldn't really turn
up on time where you turn up, you'd still be a bit hung over

(11:16):
slash drunk. So it was tricky, but we had the lift the shoot
that you'd like pop stuff in,pop watches in up to be serviced and
stuff, and you'd ring him andjust be like, can you send me
down a little packet of malteee orsomething, or you'd be in the safe
room eating the McDonald's, and you'dcome in and just turn a blind eye.

(11:37):
You'd be like, just do whatyou need to do. Just just
do what you need to do andget back out on the floor. And
he was just but he was likehe really was like Ricky Gervais in the
office was exactly what he was like. And it's it's something that I wish
I could have bottled up because I'venever experienced it. And it was the

(11:58):
things he'd come in and say andwe'd all just and shock. But yeah,
there's that. That was just oneof the fever dream jobs that I
had. Yeah, I picked Ipicked on it the second you said fever
dream, I said, this issomething so okay, the gym, whatever,
the fucking and all the rest.And when you went this fucking fever
dream of a job, I went, okay, there's this must have just

(12:20):
been other worldly, which it's hardto believe sometimes because I when we lived
we lived out and then a scarylike and like it was the most bananas
people like you didn't. I wouldn'thave believed that they existed in Ireland.
I couldn't coming from where I comefrom anyway, you know what I mean?
But like you're meeting guys who openlywear, you know, pink jumpers

(12:41):
tied around their neck walking down downthe road and they're like a yellow trousers
do you know? And they're gone, good morning, Tom, how are
you? And You're like, howthe fuck are you? And I I
just I'm looking on Literally, PaulHoward opened a blank for Robert Rossi Carrol
Kelly and went, well, herewe go, look around. These people

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actually exist, definitely. And theladies, the Guardia ladies that were the
White Jeans, the White Jeans Brigade. Do you know what a part of
me really wants to be that aswell, Like someday I want to join
them. Yeah, I get it, don't. I mean to live in
that level of self confidence where you'relike, well, the little, tiny,

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tiny microcosm that we all live in, this is acceptable ship to be
wearing and carrying on with, andeverybody else is just wrong. I mean,
in a way, they're kind ofgoing, well, that's kind of
what gos goths are. In away they're like, well, oh,
yes, do you know, becausewe used to. I'll never forget.
For one of the first mornings drivingout the gate of the house, and

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literally, I bet these two fuckingpeople had been into you. They were
at they were our next door neighbors, and we're in the countryside, like
and put there. How oh mygod, their house. They referred to
themselves as as their house, likewe're badger haul hell, good morning we
were. Yeah, I swear togod, I the first few times of
meeting, I couldn't help, butI went straight into like Tarquin, like

(14:13):
I just on purpose, just tosee what I And I remember once sat
the first Saturday morning, drove outand I was heading down to where she
would where would be heading to onlyEvoca. So they're out in the gate
slowly, slowly pottering around or something, but they wanted to see who I
was and what I was and allthe rest of it. And as I'm
driving out the gate, they werelike, good morning, And I couldn't

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help, but I just dropped himin morning. How are you? It's
a fantastic morning, And you couldsee them light up. They were like,
oh, he's one of us,he's how do we not name?
How do we not name? Andthey were just so beaming straight away,
Yeah, go ahead, it's onhere, say kind of crush fan club

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isn't it. Yeah, yeah,I couldn't help. I left it with
that. Listen, I have todash because herself is absolutely roaring for Sarado
this morning, and you know,I have to get a couple of couple
of you know yourself Saturday morning.Why not off to a chow And I
I wish I recorded it. II just pushed it and pushed it,

(15:26):
and they bought every bit of it. They were like, that is absolutely
one legit. I swear to God, he's legit, you know what I
mean? But slowly, slowly overthe morning, so slowly over the monthster
I couldn't help. But I juststarted just leaning heavily into being country as
ship turning up in Camo and stufflike that. You were so close to
being accepted. You were so close. They would know. They would have

(15:48):
seen my birth starting, they wouldhave seen that I was born Roman Catholic,
and it wouldn't have it wouldn't havefit in in the area to let's
just say, Prince Charles when hevisited When when Prince Charles visited the local
uh fucking garden center, there waslike a turnout like you wouldn't believe from
our neighborhood that was like, isn'tit fantastic? Charles is here and you're

(16:11):
like, whoa, whoa, yeah, yeah, far too much of a
commondo. But because like I stayedin touch. I stayed do you know
what? That's the great thing aboutsocial media. And there's so many issues
with social media and I have fuckingwinge about it the whole time. I
literally write material as a result ofit. And it's getting weirder. It

(16:34):
is getting weirder. But what's greatthat was being able to keep an eye
on friends who are abroad doing somethingelse, and I was able to keep
an eye. You're great for documentingyourself on TikTok and in a very un
obnoxious, non dose of away.Do you know because so many people can
be oh, oh fuck, thisis hard to I really love this person,

(16:55):
but I can stom like this shitbecause they've got Hi Guys, listen
today I were You're like, ohfuck you ruin you ruin thee Yeah,
you're like, steady on, steadyon. We all pulled our trousers on
one leg at the time in themorning, get Jesus, but yours was
very affable and that it'd be snappy, fast and you you know, you

(17:15):
narrange your day and you're like,look at I got fucking you seem to
get banging coffees. That's one thingyou I can even taste your coffee through
the fucking screen. Deal every oneof them. You just know they're every
one of those coffees that you seemto get. I got this coffee from
Schnetzel and Burtson and I'm like,oh, hell, I know Wezel Burton
is on real coffee. I've neverheard of it. Put a bit,
it's I know, and you knowwhat, my bank account loves this.

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I bet it does. I thatwas what I was thinking, was going,
oh, she has no money fromthe delicious food and drink she's having
because it would fleece anybody the wayyou were going, like, but you
know with the with the TikTok,and you're right, it's it can be
really toxic and hilarious as well.But I know when I started documenting things,

(18:03):
it was all to do with,you know, nipping back and forth
for auditions in London for all whatevermusical was auditioning, and kind of it
was failed audition diaries that I wasgoing. I knew I was going to
be cut. I knew I wasflying over on a six am flight to
be cut by eleven a m andthen have eight hours in London waiting on

(18:25):
my next flight. So there waslike all I could, all I could,
you know, enjoy was really expensive, Like I'd deserve this for going
through all that. So it kindof ended up, you know, being
a little bit self deprecating. Iguess too, but I think that's the
only way. Even even I wastrying not to be a dose, but

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I post it and I'd be like, oh, I'm embarrassing. No,
but do you know what I wasso embarrassing myself. Well, that's just
you being Irish, That's all thatis. That's fine, that's do you
know what I mean? You're justnot British or Americans, So you know,
you're you just the Irish person init, you know, but regardless
of the outcome, and to befair, you know, most of the

(19:06):
outcomes unfortunately we were fortunately far fortunatelytowards the end because they told the great
story towards the end. But itwas there was a fierce affable is the
world I'm looking for? There wasa fierce amount of humility in it.
But and I don't know if alot of people would have gotten that,
I got it because I've been I'venever gone as hard and all in as

(19:27):
you. But I do know whatit is, you know what I mean?
So many times you're like, yougot this. Oh, no you
didn't, Oh you got this.Oh, and you're just so many kicks
in the chest that it makes italmost difficult to enjoy the good stuff.
But you telling the story going,well, it's fucking inspirational stuff because you're
like, you just kept on talkingat it. You're like, well,
here you go in, you know, hold my beer, I'm going again,

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you know. And even still itwas relentless every time come with me
as I go for another audition andI'm cut. It's just I'm off to
fucking Schnitzel and Burton for a lovelycoffee to meet one of my fabulous friends.
Are you're all these fabulous friends?Did you see to the meeting?
It's like, well, that's work, that's work. The flight alone,

(20:11):
these people seem interesting if nothing else. Yeah, yeah, I was meeting
fabulous friends who were in fabulous jobsmost of the time as well, Right,
great show, crying crying into mycoffee as I said, goodbye to
them? Why can't it be me? But eventually it did become you,
didn't it because you you know,not to not to have jumped the shark,

(20:34):
but you've got You've landed yourself intopossibly one of the biggest names in
the West End, haven't you.Yes? Good all Mama Mia by Jesus
Christ. I know I left yourvoicemail. I felt so bad then the
way I'd said something well done,fair John, Mama. Well, that's
about the biggest thing I've ever saidin my life, didn't I mean,
it's not It's not a shadow thatI ever would have thought, you know,

(20:56):
you would have maybe secretly loved Ithought, I know, I know
Toma Mohamme has this secret that heloves Mom and Mia. He watches the
movie once a year, things alongto the Pierce Prosen and bits. Do
you know, like I hopefully admit, I don't think I've I don't think
I've been had the opportunity to watcha full amount of Mama Mia. I

(21:19):
my attention span. I think Ineed more, a little bit more dial
I don't think I'm ready for allthat music immediately, but I like I
have I'd say guilty pleasures, andI have no problem. I sat down
and gave a full podcast on LegallyBlond, once, one of my all
time favorite movies. So I haveno problem in that in that, but
I don't know because I was.I was mistaken because in my head,

(21:44):
isn't there is there a continuous MamaMia experience or something where people are weaving
napkins in the air? Am Iwrong? Like? Now? Yeah,
So there's like Mama Meat the partythat happens in the in London so too,
which is basically Abba songs. It'snot the Mom and Mia story,
right, they kind of have theirown story. I've never gone what was

(22:07):
that? No, No, Ithink we just we froze for a second
and it was just me going ahead, got you. I've never gone myself.
But actually one of my friends whois in Mama Mia with me now
in the musical, he had justdone a year in Mom and Me at

(22:29):
the party which is a napkins swingingplace, and he was working behind the
bar there and they heard him singand they were like, oh, you
should be one one of our singers. And then he ended up getting the
West End musical. So he isjust he cannot get away from from Abba.
I love the way he gave thefast story on that. With that
crafty motherfucker could have pulled pints inany bar anywhere in London. And he

(22:52):
was like, was I singing?Was I singing too loud? He was
given, isn't it? Yeah,that's that's the you know, for myself
going oh Jesus Christ, was Iacting my balls off there in the corner.
I didn't mean to do that.Oh you need me, do you?
Oh? Well, I suppose whileI'm here saying the day it's that

(23:15):
true, like he was discovered.Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
love that. Yeah. I didn'tthink that actually happened, but it did.
But nowhere where we are now whereI am is MoMA Mia the musical
and it is twenty five years runningon the West End, So this is
the twenty fifty year anniversary. Soit's a good year. It's a good
year to have gotten this fuck likethe like they know what they're doing,

(23:41):
don't they, Like they really knowwhen they're onto something like Jesus Christ,
And like you never hear we don'thave that in Ireland, where we just
have you know, a play.Okay, I think the longest one I
can think of is the Tom Creanplay that seems to be spinning around the
country every so often, Like,but you just don't hear of something less

(24:02):
than that length of we don't havethe population for a starter. But at
the same time, holy geez,it's twenty five years and does it knock
off for any period like during theyear, does a fuck? It is
constant six days a week, Andyou think I had never I'd never seen
the live show before getting it,because even during the audition process, I

(24:23):
was like, Oh, maybe I'llgo see it, and then I thought
I'd psych myself out, so Ijust I just thought I'll wait it out.
And when during the rehearsals they arrangedshow watches so you could go and
watch the show yourself so you couldsee what you were getting into. So
I totally get it, like Ihad seen the movie, but the show

(24:45):
is slightly different. Obviously the showcame before the movie, and you're surrounded
by a mixture of so many differentpeople, different walks of life, different
ages like kids, elderly, everything, and it just seems to have it
has everything in it that just toucheseveryone. Yeah. So, and I
mean abba is the album music isjust incredible. You really listened to it,

(25:10):
Wow they now on earth did theywrite all that? It's just sensation.
It's up there with Dolly Parton.It's like Jesus Christ. Everyone's a
banger. Like it's like every oneof them is a banger. And still
to this day there's ten Abba songsthat even the most you know, living

(25:30):
down a cave, you know,absolute grunt, would be able to come
along to at the very least.It's just so it came before the movie.
So the movie was based off themusical All Christ. Now We're Learning,
people, we are learning. Ihad no idea. I thought it
was muss like I thought it wasfucking Pierce Brasen and getting and then they

(25:52):
wow, yeah, yeah, thereyou go. So there's a whole,
this whole massive franchise worldwide. Imean there's like a North American tour,
there's a European tour, there's theFlagship London one, there's the UK and
Ireland tour. Like there's just somany branches of it because it just doesn't
tire. And like show in,Show Out, they are packed full houses

(26:15):
of people on their feet every nightand it's just a show where I mean,
what a show to go into theWest End on, Like for to
be my first west End show,I couldn't have come in on a better
show. Oh, I mean,you're literally one of the gayest straight people
I've ever met. It's incredible.I know, I know, I guess

(26:36):
that all the time. You canvery well, but so you're what Jesus,
but you know what you see Likeit's easy to say, well waters
first show to get in at thesame time, you were swinging a hammer
at that fucking door for a longtime, like you know what I mean,
It wasn't there was a stage whereyou're going to have to kill somebody,

(27:00):
as is alejolways going to kill somebody, that's what she'll do, and
you know what, you know whatthere was There was such an overwhelming sense
of like relief when I told peopleit wasn't like, oh my god,
I was like, oh god,yeah, well, they were like we
didn't know what was gonna what wasgonna come of her if she didn't get
this, like fifty five year oldsstill going for those parts in her twenties.

(27:23):
I can do it. I cando it. Just give me the
springing like three kids like into auditionary. I was like still trying to crack
it in that door. I waslike I could imagine it. I was
like, oh, this is thisis gonna be my life. But like
there was there were so many pointswhere I was like, when when do
I pack this in? Like whenwhen should I just go Maybe I'm maybe

(27:47):
I should just leave it. Andevery time I kind of thought that another
audition would come through, so Iwas like, Okay, maybe after this
one, if I don't get thisone, I'll pack it in. Then
I wouldn't get it, and I'dbe like, oh, one more try,
one more try. But as well, every kind of every family gathering,
we all get together and my nanawill be talking about all the grandkids

(28:07):
and how everyone's doing really well,and she'd look at me and go for
hay, like I'm fine, Iflare, I'm fine, but sure this
is it. Like literally to thisday even still, my folks are gone,
okay. And they came to asellout show in a theater where for
me, it took some work tosell it out, but it's a local

(28:30):
theata where nothing ever goes on there, so nothing ever does well there.
But my show happened to do wellthat, thank God. But they came
and when they came out and theysaw I, because it's the polite thing
to do is to walk out intoFoy and shake hands with a couple of
people, and quite a lot ofpeople were still there. My parents were
trying to sneak by, and Isee him kind of going, I thank
Christ. You can see this lookin their face, not like well done.

(28:51):
So you absolutely smashed that. Well, that was a perfect put together
hour and twenty five minutes of comedy. You could see him kind of,
Oh Jesus Christ, thank God,thank god. He just completely wasting his
life away, like you know,but I know it never ends, does
it? And that never stops,I guess because there was I know when

(29:14):
this the audition process was was prettyruthless, and we were called back in
every time, and there was amoment where I thought I done the final
audition. I was like, I'min the finals. I've done it.
And I came home and about twoor three days later, my phone rang
and it was my agent and Iwas like, I knew he wouldn't call
me with bad news. He'd messageme or email me with good news.

(29:37):
He'll call me. And I thoughtoh my god, this is it,
this is the moment. So Igot my little sister. I was like
getting ready to get ready to videomy reactions, like I've got good news.
I thought, oh my god,it's gonna happen. The tears that
already started. He was like,you have got a final audition from am

(29:57):
and Miya. I was like,do you mean a bleeding final? I've
already been in there six times,like it was just never end. And
I went in did the final.It was exactly, we're all just shadows
of ourselves at that point, andthen they really leave you waiting. It
was about two or three weeks laterI got a voice note from my agent
saying, look, it's not goodnews you. It hasn't gone your way.

(30:22):
They have pantry for your time.But you know, my agent was
like, I'm actually I'm really upsetfor you because I just had a feeling
about this and everyone my dad wassaying, Mam was like, I think
this is the one. We're hereand abbat everywhere, which I mean is
everywhere all the time anyway, butjust more than usual. Yeah, all
these little signs and I was like, I can't believe I got this rejection.

(30:47):
So I you know, I mournedit for about a week. I
didn't cry for a week, butI was, you know, when you're
just sorry for yourself. And i'djust gotten over it, and my agent
rang me. I thought it wasbecause I was in talks to do a
panto over here, and I thoughtit was about that, and you and
me said, look, you're notgoing to be doing pantomime this Christmas.

(31:07):
And I thought, ah, I'mnot another I've lost another job, like
this can't get any worse. Hewas like, no, because you're going
to be on a Greek island singingAbba songs for a year. So they
changed their minds. Why Jesus,the bastards though, the fucking bastards stripping
years off your life with that fuckwith that shit. Yeah, it was

(31:30):
a girl that you know, Ithink was ready to stay on in the
show decided not to stay on andthat opened up in the track for me.
But when he told me it wasn'tthe elation that you should feel,
I was just so confused. Iwas like, what do you mean.
Yeah, they said, no,it's will. It's like, you know,
it's like your cat comes back fromthe day. It's like, oh,
oh, I'm happy I have acat again. But I definitely have

(31:52):
put you away like I put Ido with you in my life. I
would have loved you, got soready at that point, would actually no
to shove it up their hole.I'm moving on. Yeah, I have
cried myself to sleep. I haveno more emotions for the scenario. So
so that was, yeah, thatwas going to be. My next question

(32:14):
was like, so, was therea clear out of a few people who
wanted to go or is it like, oh, what's the crack, Like,
was there a bunchie? Was itjust one part? No? So
well, it's it's really it's quitecut throat how it's done. So basically,
in all or most contracts, towardsthe end of the year, they'll

(32:35):
just give a form to all oftheir company and they'll say, you know,
do you want to stay on fora year? You say yes or
no. You can say you know, I want to be considered for this
road or an under study for this, and then they take all them back
and they go, Okay, thesepeople want to stay. Some people might
say they don't want to stay,and they'll take the ones that do want
to stay, and then they'll goon audition, So they'll audition a whole

(32:58):
new batch of people and they'll basicallyside if they prefer this new person over
God, or if they want tothey want to keep you on. Oh
my god, that's kind. Yeah, So that's what I'm I'll be facing
and in the next you know,in a couple of months, do I
get another rejection or box done itnow? No one can take it away

(33:23):
from me. So we'll have tosay so like you'll get a year anyway,
you know what I mean, prodyou don't accept to somebody's hair or
something like that, or you know, yes, but like would you be
like, you know, a sportsperson coming in, you know, the
last three months of your contract,you start absolutely acting your whole off,
like just just saying, fucking gotthis. Let's yeah, you go audition

(33:45):
this party. You you just actyour whole off, like just fucking loading
the steroids. Whatever you're gonna doto just do exactly, Yeah, just
map plastice, yeah exactly. Soit's it's it's a bit mad. It
never ends, even when you're in. You're not. That's why you've just
stated like it's it often shocks mewhen you when I meet people who have

(34:06):
gone to divaville, you know whatI mean? Men and women. You're
like, how do you not graspthat this could all be taken away from
you in two seconds? And weboth know people who has been taken away
from it two seconds And all ofa sudden, they're like, oh,
and you didn't see this happening atall. You didn't cop this comment,
you didn't like it. So noone, no one told them that everyone

(34:30):
was replaceable. Yeah, no matterwho we areable. Yeah, but it
was it was literally, it wasliterally that the other night I was talking
with none other than Paul O'Connell ofall people, and like it was like
my second or third time meeting.We haven't a right more than anything.
He didn't want to talk about rugby, just wanted to talk about stand up

(34:51):
comedy because he's just totally interesting.He would be desperately interested in this now
because he doesn't know about it.But yeah, what it was is but
to be like, I kind ofgot across Jesus Christ, not I humble.
I didn't want to use the wordhumble, but you have it together
fairly for somebody who has done everythingthat can pretty much been done in your
sport at the highest level, regardedas one of the greats. He went,

(35:14):
oh yeah, but like that shit'sgone in the morning, like in
two seconds, Like that ship isjust gone and you're replaced by a bigger,
better, stronger, faster version.He says, that's all gone,
he's done. And any of themwe meet, they're all just like damn
near embarrassed, kind of going sorryif you're playing such a good rugby for
throwing years and we didn't live inthe real world. You're like, no,

(35:35):
no, you brought joy to manymany people. You're a superstar and
inspiration. They're like, oh,for fox sake, just you know people
like that, and we look atthem and go, oh, there's they're
the greats. Is not never goingto be another one of those. But
there's guys on the other side ofa desk going oh this got way better.
Yeah literally just literally yeah everywhere wedon't have a job for your next

(35:59):
year, Your tell your agents startlooking somewhere else. And it's the same
thing as you you're that now youknow you're you're in the top leagues,
do you know what I mean?You know you're in the in the premiership.
When they're going literally like did youelbow somebody out, do you think
or did they tell you she movedon nice, she moved on politely,
or did they go do you knowwhat? This one's a fucking bollocks.

(36:22):
Let's get Hailey Joe in. I'mjust saying this is not Hailey Joe saying
it. She can only speculate,but it is speculation. But maybe you
know you can you can judge howdesperate I was from my tiktoks and make
up, make up your mind yourself, a very fast rental character flying down

(36:45):
outside the theater, just just tryingto run down as many cast members as
you can. Hey, guys,I brought my dancing shoes. Just say
it if you need to see mein the course thing mind. The bar
to be discovered isn't the West Endthough? It blows my mind because it
was mentioned to me. Remember Idid that that play that one man played

(37:07):
Caveman. Yes, it was.It had been mooted that I was talks
of they had a big star lineupto do the West End version. Because
that's my first hearing of a playthat runs forever, like it's been in
Munich for like twenty years or something. Yeah, what, how can it
be there? Does not everybody getto see it like once? Like,

(37:29):
is that the plan is that youwant everybody to see this forever? And
it was like yeah, yeah,but they just have it. They have
a culture of theater, just likethe UK, there's a culture people go
to the theater, whereas we don't. We go to watch sport. That's
what we watch, you know whatI mean? That's yeah, But it
was it was when he was sayingthat, and then it was the talk

(37:51):
they had a big falling out withthe agent of this big star and they
were ready to just turn around andgo to fuck it. You're not a
big star, but you'll work.I was like, I will do that.
I will do that, no problem. But they were going, We're
talking about let's do six months Andat first I'm like what I thought we
were talking about one show. Okay, let's do literally that's what we're talking

(38:15):
about. Then the dreaded the Dreaditcould landed into the fun party. But
I'll have all of this, thankyou do you know? But it was
haen, that's just along with alot of other gigs as you well know,
like, but it was it wasin that that's what opened my mind
was, what the fuck you're startingoff with six months? Like that's a
small jump. That's some commitment toa play. It's not a one man

(38:38):
play and how many times? Yeah, well it'll be six days a week
and possibly two on a Saturday ifyou're up for it. I went,
yeah, fine, just give meplenty of sandwiches. I'll do as much
work as you want. Like Idon't care, but like you may be
pretty wrecked him like it'll be okay, yeah when it's only you. I
mean, I can't complain that I'min this for a year, but you

(39:00):
know, I'm dancing on stage toWaterloo and dancing Queen. I mean,
you can't you know, in ayear's time, I'm still gonna enjoy it,
it's still gonna be great. Whereasif it's just you on stage a
one man play for six months,that is tough. That that psychologically is
something that should be studied, likefor people that are able to into that.

(39:22):
But I yeah, no, Icould. I could do it,
And it wasn't going to be forbecause I would be any kind of a
talented actor in any way shape makeerformat, only that I have the most
ignorant gene for work mentality that Igot. This fucking thing isn't gonna break
me, no fucking way. Likethere'd be arms and legs and ears falling

(39:43):
off before I'd let it fucking breakme. But I would have to take
up. I'd have to do likeearly gigs stand up or something on either
side of that to go and goright, I need to get all the
fucks out of me. Yeah youknow what I mean? Yeah, I
would have to. I'd have todo something to to balance the books.
I mean in saying that though itwasn't as it was a play, that

(40:06):
was at least they allowed me oncethey saw me do it a few times
and went, oh, he'll befine. They saw me kind of interact
with the front row small bit,you know, they were like whoa,
and you know, and at leastthen I can make it a bit stand
up be do you know? Soat least it wasn't it did it required
more stand up than it did acting. That's what it did, really,
do you know, Yes, rememberyour lines, but a high end actor

(40:31):
is not required here. I didn'tthink anyway, like do you know what
I mean? I was able toget through it. But but that's what
I'm saying, is it blew mymind that the West End was this thing?
And there's off west End, andthere's beside west End and under west
End and there's kind of not somuch west End, and damn there fucking
east End, you know, youknow, like but these things that it

(40:52):
is such an institution, isn't that? Yeah? It really is. And
your people that come back over andover, they'll go back once. I
mean my one of my best friends, Brian, who he's a Book of
Mormon at the moment, and I'veseen him twice in Book of Mormon.
Yeah, he is absolutely hysterical init. It's such a funny show.

(41:14):
Yeah. I wanted to see whenit was in Dublin, but I was
gigging. So if you get achance to definitely go see it. It's
just and if you have a goodaudience. There's not a lot of the
audience that they won't laugh until theyhear other people laughing, because they're so
scared to be the one that laughs. You know, it's shock you.

(41:35):
That wouldn't be me, Yeah,I'd be that asshole. Just you'll love
it. It's so up your street, like it's it's so good, so
Brian. Brian's in his second yearof Book of Mormon, right, so
he yeah, yeah, so hewas he was one of the lucky ones.

(41:58):
But he's he's fantastic. But hehas come to see Mam and Me
at the musical I reckon in hislifetime like twenty times, and he's in
he's in the our industry. Hejust loves it. This this the thing,
and I mean, why would youonly not? Like I was trying
to wrap my head around this,and Natasha, she pointed out, because

(42:20):
we were talking about people going tosee things, what's blowing my mind is
I'm doing my this this stand upshow that I'm doing now I'm doing it
back again in the same my ownvenue too, but I'm filming my special
in there, you know, camerasand the whole whole shooting gallery. But
a load of people have bought ticketsthat have already seen it. It was
like, but you've seen the jokeslike put Natasha was like, how many

(42:42):
times have you watched Apocalypse now?And I went, oh, oh yeah,
oh god, yeah, I've watchedthat at least ten times, if
not twenty times. Here you go, there you go, And I went,
okay, well, that's actually themany times you watch a movie and
I thought it was something to doit like it's comforting. I think there's
not. When people have, youknow, uncertainty in their lives, they

(43:05):
need to know what's happening at theBritish. British people I've noticed when I
was doing stand up in the UK, they sometimes you can see him get
shocked because they don't. They don'tbecause Irish people want to be kind of
shocked a little bit. They don'twant to see the pullback and reveal.
It genuinely has to be a bigreveal of a joke, punchline, you
know what I mean, or something. But I've noticed like British clubs and

(43:28):
stuff like okay, could he couldyou just talk to us a little?
They're not readily slapped around like withsome hardcore comedy, you know, they're
like, oh Christ, right,he's coming straight at us, you know,
yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They prefer to slowly
filled in the cheese. Yes,yes, yes, she's perfect. I

(43:59):
like that. I like that.That's very very good God to make note
of full in cheese. This isperfect. It's all so it would and
his his Book of Mormon would havebeen the same same jobby, you might
be ousted after a year. Yeah, yeah, Jesus completely, do you

(44:20):
know what I think? I thinkif you're you know, he's incredibly talented,
but if you're not a dick like, don't you know? You know,
there's that famous thing of in everycast there's usually one dickhead, and
usually if you don't know who thedickhead is, it's you. So but
I you know, just don't bethe dickhead. Now in my cast,

(44:42):
I don't know whether it's a momand me a thing because it's such a
happy show there genuinely is not adickhead unless it is me. You literally
wrote, I don't know time theodd thing finding my cat? Wait a
second, actually just execating what Ijust said, is that so it must
be me? Well I'm having alovely time. But yeah, I know

(45:07):
he was. He was one ofthe ones that were kept on and he's
you know, I'm not surprised he'sbloody brilliant and also not a dick And
how many so, how many howmany stages of auditioning so you got you
have obviously two finals and what thefuck did you have before that? Then?
Yeah, it was like there wasthe first round. On the first

(45:29):
day of auditions, they made acut halfway through the day. You'd go
in and sing one song and thenthey might ask you to do a few
scales, and then they'd be like, okay, right outside the room.
So you scales for people that arehere as not Haley Joe's weight or anything
of disort or even trying to guessa weight, which would have been an

(45:49):
interesting thing to need from an actorslash singer. Is to all right,
pick up that bag. What doyou think is in it? Twelve and
a half kilos? Half kilos?Spot on, Jesus, you knows the
weight. That girl, she knowsher scales, She knows her So your
scales are you? Is your rangehigh up? And is that what I'm
thinking of? Jeremy? There wego. This is for the dummies.

(46:13):
Remember that. Remember there's not alot of people who have clue what we're
talking about here, And I don'teven fully have a clue when I'm talking
about So I just just don't down, don't we ain't no wait, no
slance doctors around here. Okay,absolutely, I don't know what you've noticed,
but I actually I don't have muchof a personality anymore apart from Abba

(46:35):
and Nominia. I don't know.That might be the fucking best line I've
heard in seven years of doing thispodcast. The whole reason for bringing people
on is because they've got great personalitiesand more people I talked. Now,

(47:02):
I'm like, I have not tosay about for anything tremendous. Wow,
you might notice I'm not clipping thatbit that is going to be the clip.
Fucking it's gradful. But should thisis? This is? Looko,
aren't we Aren't we getting something outyet? Aren't we getting something out of

(47:24):
you? You think you think youwon't be able to talk to Tom See
there's something in there. I knowwhat you're saying. Is that? What
the fuck have you? Can youtalk about? People mentioned the war in
Palestine? You're like, what what? I've just been in a fucking theater,
man, I don't know. Idon't have to tell you. I
know I get it. I absolutelyget it. I'm scrub like scrubbing fake

(47:46):
tan off, like when I'm noton the stage, I'm scrubbing the fake
tan off island. Oh yeah,so yes, I saw. I wasn't
sure what I was looking at.You put up videos of it little clips
on your camera that your Instagram oryour your TikTok, And I wasn't sure
what I was looking at, tobe honest, she was, Yes,

(48:09):
but I suspect I'm willing to suspenddisbelief because this is the theater. You
go in there and you go ofcourse, this is a Greek island.
Yes, I'm happy to go alongwith this because they're singing and dancing and
make me feel good to songs andmusic that I like. Yeah, yeah,
exactly, and everyone just accepts it. It's the acceptance is key really
in an awful lot of things,but mainly in musical theater. It just

(48:31):
accept just acceptance. There are noquestions, no quit just shut up and
just shut up and turn off yourphone and just enjoy yourself. For Christ's
sake, could you just do that? Absolutely, that's it, And I
think that's why I'm loving, youknow, being in a like this,
Like do you know when people youcan have opinions, but sometimes you don't

(48:55):
have you don't have opinions, Justjust leave it, just enjoy it,
just have things. Stop criticizing them. Life is hard enough forbody were These
were the words that were first utteredby the first ever dictator, I don't
know if you know that, Andmost dictators after that pretty much said the
same thing. They were like,you have opinions, lads, I know

(49:15):
that, but you can fucking leavethem at the door because I'm running the
show now and you may fucking enjoyit. And by the way, we're
all giving up the fags. Isthat okay? Yeah? Is everybody?
It's but do you know what.I'm a firm believer in that when it
comes to the pomp and ceremony thatis must be needed for a show.

(49:36):
And if I learned nothing but hangingout with people like you and seeing how
you were taught, so all Idid was glean what you were actually taught,
and I went, well, howcan I make money from learning around
these people? And when it comesto a stage show, like little things,
you know what I mean, likehaving the right music playing before the
show, little things like that thelight's been in the right or you know,
it's a seating being correct and whatyou know like that. So it

(50:00):
was if I learned nothing from that, it's as well to take as much.
People don't if they've bought a fuckingticket, they don't want to have
to do any more work. Theymay think they do, they may think,
oh, sure, looking I'm okaywith but they don't. They don't
want to think about the mortgage,they don't want to think about fucking anything.
They just want you to take controlof the scenario. And also like

(50:23):
you've rehearsed this shit out of it. It's a really well written show,
no doubt. So it's a it'sa product that everybody involved knows, no
hurried that is gonna be fine.And trying to implant that in even young
stand ups when I'm talking to himand going, look, you have to
be the act they've come to seeand they mightn't even know it yet.
You have don't ask for don't apologeticallytell your fucking jokes, go up there

(50:46):
like it's the greatest shit they've everseen, and they can't figure out they
would never want to even try todo it. Hence why they're looking at
you like you literally are superstar slashAngels. You're going, well, this
is, this is, this isfucking amazing. I I I I don't
even know what I'm looking at here, this is this is exactly what I
came came for. I got toswitch my brain at the bubblegum mode and

(51:06):
now this is fucking perfect. That'sthis is what And sometimes I think Irish
theater are small bit or maybe ifjust Irish people Like I mean, I
mentioned stuff in the club that I'veopened, and they're slowly coming with me.
I'm like, no, no,we must make pump and sermony here,
velvet rope outside, things like that, you know, being greeted by
a very polite door person like Erasha, couldn't you just opened the fucking door?

(51:27):
They mean, yes you could.But people don't realize yet, but
they want to be made it feelspecial. They're coming to a show for
them like this is this is breadand butter to you. You don't even
have to think about this. ButI in building, I suppose an environment.
I've had to think about these things, and I've had to go back
to when I started working with youand stuff and go, oh, sure,
this is why they did it,and this is why you're arsed to

(51:49):
fuck off. This is why everythinghas to be pinpoint perfect because people paying
the big ticket, they don't wantto go Ashert's fine that they didn't know
how what they were doing there.That's fine. You don't want people ever
thinking that, do you know what? I'm sure you don't like. That's
that's the thing. Like audiences arelike they don't want to do, they
don't want to work to understand anythingor enjoy anything. But they're not stupid

(52:12):
Like no, I feel like theiraudiences are so intelligent and they can see
through it. They can see througheverything. You cannot hide behind it.
So at the minute you show anykind of weakness or like if you're not
genuine with something, they just know. And I feel like that's half the
time when an audience, when anaudience comes out and goes, I have
put my finger on that. Youknow, there was something I didn't really

(52:34):
enjoy or I don't really like thatperson, I didn't like that character.
It's because they've seen through you.Yeah yeah, that lean into it enough
and it's that's it. That's thegame. The game's open, the game's
up if you've given them that,because they're like, h and you don't
want to feel pity like I've youknow, you're goind of like I know

(52:57):
I've done just silly jokes iveryber Idid one and I stopped the audience.
I went no, no, no. I was in uc HS for the
comedy club, the punchline or whatever, and there was it was this silliest
joke I've told in fourteen years,and it was just it was just crowd
work and this woman, I went, what do you do? She goes,
I'm in software. The way shesaid it was funny in my head.
She didn't say I work in softwareor I build software. I'm in

(53:21):
software. I went, well,that's nice, but I didn't ask you
about the texture of your clothing.What do you do for for work?
And while it took a few secondsfor people to get into my textures of
software. And as they all startedand they started giving it a round of
plause and went no, no,no, no, no, no,
no no, the standard will behigher here tonight. I promise that joke

(53:42):
was for me. That was atweet. That was a tweet more than
anything that you're all to retweet ifI if I poasted. But that's not
the standard here tonight. That's asilly throwaway joke. But yeah, yeah,
but for some reason people seem to. But it was in that moment
I went, no, no,no, no, no, no,
no, things will be of abetter standard here. This is not I'm
not ye where you have to goall good, They're all right, they're
going to be our silly jokes thatwe have to work for tonight, and

(54:05):
no, no, no, no, no, no, that's just yah.
Do you know, while I enjoyedtelling it, in the moment,
my brain just went in fucking bubblegummode again and just went, hey,
soft, weird. You know it'snot good enough at all. They were
all on your side instantly, though. They laughed that easy you have them,
you had them in your hand.Well, let's thank you very much

(54:27):
for that. But I think theyenjoyed this silliness of it. But I
had to kind of just go,Okay, we'll be together for the while
I'm hosting the show, will betogether for another half an hour here,
so you know there'll be some betterstuff than that. I promise it.
This would not be the standard goingforward. No, no. And I
need to point out that that wasa very low hanging fruit. In fact,
that was a fruit growing on theground. That was that was a

(54:47):
watermelon on the ground. That was, yeah, a watermelon on the ground.
So how long was rehearsals then beforeyou went right opening night? Well,
we did six weeks rehearsals and thenwe opened up. And then while
after we opened, we actually wentstraight into understudy rehearsals, So we were

(55:12):
rehearsing during the day and then doingshows in the evening. So you know,
the understudy rehearsals were weren't done inthe first five six weeks. You
were kind of concentrating on your owntrack and you know, maybe in your
spare time if you had any lookover your understudy stuff. But then once
the show is up and run andwe've just had another really five six weeks
of rehearson for understudy stuff and textingus into the show as the understudies.

(55:37):
So who are you understudying? Match? Yeah, so I'm I'm one of
I'm an emergency cover for Tanya,which is like one of the if you
know Mama Mia, it's Donna isthe mother and she has two best friends.
Yes, and I'm under studying forTanya, who sings does your mother

(56:00):
know? So it's a it's acool role, but she is meant to
be in her late forties fifties,So okay, I'm aging up quite a
lot. Okay, good by playingage still sixteen to twenty five, because
so currently your character, who's yourcharacter at at the minute, then your

(56:21):
main character, your your walk intowork character, walk into a character.
I am ensemble dancer who is firstof all a Greek local, and then
I'm a hen party guest and thena wedding guest. Right, yeah,
because I saw you with you weregoing for a wig wig wig fitting and

(56:42):
whatnot. I was like, butyou were in a couple of different were
you in a couple of different weeks? When I imagine that, Yeah,
I've a a lot of whigs.I'm the only person in the show that
wears so many wigs. And Idon't know why. I think they're just
their gear. And you up forthe out one week, that's what the
gear you up for. They're fuckinggoing Look at this. She loves now
wig her, let's get away onher. She knows and she's been around
enough ones, wealthy ol ones toknow. It smelled Afia. This smell

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the car. That's it. Itwas the Cardier knock off. Watch the
event. She needs a flicky wig, but then I had that the other
wig. Then for it, Tanyathe under study, it is. It
is class but well I might Imight never go on that's emergency only.
So if someone if she was togo down mid show or like you know,

(57:28):
the day off, and there's noone else to as you know,
the first under city or second undercity. Third then they're like ship,
Hailey, You're on, and itwill never be in advance. It will
only ever be within like an houror mid show, could be at the
interval and I'm putting on a differentcostume and going on us. I love
it. I bet you it'll happenthough. I bet you it'll happen because

(57:49):
only you would have happened to.It'll be like you're you know, I'm
finishing over for oh fuck no,no, no, no, right,
slipping a cup of tea and thendown to fire men's pole into the other
one's fucking week You're off out tenureit is and you see, sure it
happens. I guess it happens inPantos a lotsite. I did Panto last
year over here. When it happened, there was there was something do you

(58:13):
know that struck everywhere. It wasn'tCOVID, it was some other mental kind
of viral thing that everyone was smugglingwith this time last year, and it
struck our panto really badly. AndI was ensemble and a couple of had
some understudies and I was like thirdcover understudy for the fairy. So to

(58:35):
be fair, to be honest,I hadn't learned it yet. I was
like, ah ad faver, fine, like I know him first two I
don't need to know the third oneyet. And then halfway through the day
and it was a matinee on aSaturday, and the production manager came in
and said, would you be readyto go on as fairy in this evening
show? And to be completely honest, I haven't a clue at that part.

(59:00):
I'd never lookn't even read it.I don't know. And what would
happen if I didn't go on?And she said, well, the show
would have to be canceled. Iwas like, well, guess we're going
on. Then put a pair offairy wings on me, give me a
on. I've off And I hadto go and do it. And it
was like, and what did youdo? Did you just have the script?
I was script in in the flatslike going and then yeah, you

(59:21):
know what's it? Oh? Yeah, absolutely? I had to. I
sat in between shows and learned asmuch as I could while I was being
sewn into a costume because there wasno costume for me. And then I
was in the wings and the stagemanager was in the wings holding my script
so that if I forgot anything,he could prompt me the lines. But
I'd go off, read the scriptfor the next scene, and I'd go

(59:44):
on and do that scene, takethat off, go back and read again.
So I did that for like sevenshows, and then it was like
the night before Christmas Eve. Iwas like, rand, I'm back in
my normal track, everything's fine.And I got a phone call from the
producer. He went, can yougo on as would you be ready to
go on as the Princess? Iwas like in here yes, He went

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cool, can you go on tomorrow? It's like yeah, yeah, no
problem, no problem. Was likecool, So you're gonna be playing the
Princess from tomorrow until the end ofthe contract. I was just like terrific,
okay, and I just you couldn'thave written it. I've never been
in a position like this before whereI was wow, yeah, but the

(01:00:30):
only I mean, the only thingis I mean, you wouldn't have tripped
over the fucking stone, Like itwasn't completely outside your focal wheelhouse. Let's
be honest. I've only ever knownyou as the princess, so it wasn't
like what they asked me some Iknow that you know unfairness though, I

(01:00:51):
think you all would have wanted tocome to that show if you asked Tom
number one to be the fairy andthen two days later, seven shows later,
Tom, I know this is pushingyou too much now, but any
chance it could be the fairy,and you've been the fairy done well,
but we need the princess and like, all right, you better kind of
split back and a dress. I'dlove to give it a go, just
one time, just one time.I don't know why. I don't know

(01:01:15):
why, Tom, we never kindof arranged kind of a rose. You'll
never play pantomime like adult pantomime ofrose will never play. Well, why
not that ever happens? I don'tknow. I think it would have been.
There was talks of me being Ithink it was year two or year
three, talks of me being oneof the ugly sisters and a grant like.

(01:01:37):
But the mention was you're gonna haveto camp it up. I went,
why I wouldn't. I don't mind, like, okay, but why
is the whole audience at this stageknows who I am anyways, so why
would we just do me but definitelybe yeah mustache, just go yeah,

(01:01:59):
all right, just walk out ofyou know the panto dame. I guess
traditionally is is a man and youknow it is a man in a dress,
and that is the oh the oldtime guag I guess, which is
you know, still still the pantamamtradition. And that would have been way
funnier if you're just a tom asister. I would have got, I

(01:02:22):
would have I was. I wasup for that side of it, but
not that I had a problem withthe camp thing. But I was like,
there doesn't seem I think they weretrying to stick too hard to need.
It's just funnier if you're not Yeah, you know. But then I
think also the notion was you mightit might like there might be a bit
of imbalance in a scene, likeif I'm just stomping around in the back,
because really the younger sisters are supposedto be. But in all affairs,

(01:02:45):
how would you not look at thisthing like a bull walking around to
the back. Yeah, it wouldbecome the whole show. It would like
it would like a ruin everything waslike, oh god, this is this
is too much. But then atthe same time, I would love I
would love to see you give tinkerBell a bash as in like the role.

(01:03:09):
Okay, everybody, I mean onboth fronts, why not? Yeah,
both fronts. But but yeah,yes, I played because I saw
my friend and yours. Well Idon't know the chap that well. But
it was Sam, wasn't it Sam? Is it Sam? Tremendous dancer?

(01:03:31):
Is Sam? Yeah? What hewas doing something recently? I think I
do follow him on something, buthe no, Marcus? Was it Marcus?
Marcus? Yeah, and he washaving the botics ripped off him by
as hardness. You could see him. He's a fit lad. But at
the same time he was like,oh Jesus, and all of a sudden

(01:03:51):
he got real deep. He waslike, whoa, I never heard that,
never heard that voice come out before. Marcus his normally is quite quite
softly gentleman because he's he's very wellto do. But the next thing,
oh yeah, once the hardness pulledinto his undercarriagters like, oh Jesus Christ,

(01:04:12):
all right, well yeah I'd giveyeah, I'd give it a go,
but this is but what what Iwhy I want to talk to was
just to commend it for and ifnothing else, and people want to take
inspiration, go back, go backthrough Hailey Joe's TikTok and see the see
the the the if you wanted tolook at it, almost in sound waves

(01:04:33):
or almost like a live support machine. It's going, it's going fucking downhill
for a while, but hilariously,Hailey Joe makes it very funny with moments
of amazing coffee in between, andthen this un blip, A fuck something's
happening here, a fuck more's happeninghere, and you're still not giving the
game away, like because you don'tknow yourself. Like another now I've been

(01:04:54):
called back. That's all I'm saying, my ear. Let's see what happens.
Then you get you get ru Yeah, tune in next time. I
was. But you're rooting for you, do you know what I mean?
You're rooting for you, like,well, that's that's our guy, that's
our guy. We wanted to win. Like and you finally, you know,
you get get in the door.But as you said, you're in
the door, and sure in twoseconds that go yeah Harley Joe, Yeah

(01:05:19):
I know, I know, butyou know what it's there's always there's always
hope. But I've had I've hadsome some performance pala performers and I didn't
know and we all kind of it'sa small world, and we follow each
other on TikTok. We all endup on each other's kind of for you
pages. Yes, And I wentto see my friend in Milan Rouge and

(01:05:40):
I was there by myself and Iwas at the bar and a girl came
up to me. I was like, sorry, are you Haley Joe.
I thought, yes, yes,it's me. I love that. I
love that. I think you'll findit is. You're welcome, You're keep
your voice down, please. Butno, I was like, oh she

(01:06:00):
must she must know my friends.And I was like yeah yeah. She
was like this really weird. ButI followed your tiktoks for for the past
year and I just really want tocongratulate you because I was so happy when
I saw that you got it.And I was like my mom was like,
you know that girl that we werefollowing on TikTok. I was like,
I didn't think. I didn't thinki'd ever be recognized, but I

(01:06:21):
think it was it was coincidental thatI the one person that would recognize don't
pay it down, and she's inthe extree year stamp, and she was
like, it's just really cool towatch how you've progressed and stuff. But
it was kind of a little momentof like, cool, my TikTok maybe
wasn't as as cringey as I fearedit would. It wasn't at all.
And it was like, because andwe know the cringe you want to like,

(01:06:42):
oh Jesus Christ and the like,And that's what I found, what
I've been find and that's what's thebit of the joke I've done about social
media is that so much of itus, like the entirety of the actual
app is on cocaine, because everythingis anazing, Like, oh Jesus Christ,
can you tone it down? Cansome days it fucking rains? Can
we just go with that? Doyou know what I mean? It doesn't

(01:07:04):
always have to be fucking amazing,Like just tone it down. And in
fairness, yours was a lovely levelof brevity. So it was like,
yes, this is real. Thisis you're getting kicked in the nuts on
a regular basis and you're walking intoit. You're not even not nobody's sneaking
up and you you're running in forthat nut kick. You're like, oh,
just no one here goes the wholegreen nut crunch right right, the

(01:07:26):
old split the pair fuck again again, come with me as I break my
own heart again and again and geton a plane to do so, go
overseas to do that. But Iagain, I'm sure many other people did
it because you once you you know, it became a unfortunately and unfortunately it

(01:07:47):
became a series to a degree oflike I remember I go, you know,
I go into the kitchen to theattash were like, ah fuck it,
Haley Doo, didn't get it againstyou, Like, ah fuck it,
back the butter and toast or whatever, like shit, you know.
But finally, finally the joy Ihad going, Hey Didjo got into Mama
bea fucking lovely back to butter andtoast. But at the same time,

(01:08:08):
do you know what I mean,it was a It was a boost for
people that though it because it waslike, great, fucking great one of
the good guys, you know whatI mean, Like, you know,
not a not a douche, youknow, you're great. A ripple of
mild celebration to my followers, justjust like a little millisecond that was celebrated.
Oh yeah, here's the thing tomost of your followers are probably Irish
and whatnot, and you're Irish,and you couldn't deal with a nonslaught of

(01:08:30):
happiness thrown at you because it'd belike, this is disgusting and I can't
deal with it. My my heritage, my genetics won't allow me to accept
all this this happiness. No,no, no, we'll just uh,
I'll just keep you up to heredto any sadness that comes into my life,
just to bring a level level andbagdad. Yeah, I need to
balance this now to keep them onmy side. I look, find a

(01:08:53):
shit coffee at the pedrol station orsomething. Don't be going into anyone and
just post about that day ruined dayruined. Yeah day roomed such a hard
life and it brought one of mymost miserable, non fabulous friends out.
And they've done nothing for me.They've done nothing for me. Yeah,
Hayley Joe, where is TikTok?Kind of where you're you're putting most of

(01:09:13):
your stuff? It's because as wecan keep keep an eye on or or
do you bother with Instagram much anymore? I know, we chat through through
to be a good balance between Instagramand TikTok, but mostly mostly TikTok has
where you got the exclusives and behindthe scenes, Yes, wig fitting and
whatnot like that. So it's andto be fair, you keep it.
It's a great insight for people whowouldn't have an idea, do you know

(01:09:36):
what I mean? Like, you'regoing right, You're keep it nice and
snappy. Other people would absolutely milkthe fuck out of them, you know,
out of and here this is wherewe do. You're like, oh,
sure, I don't know what thisis? Now this you know this
is nice? You clip along nicelythrough it. Here you go, there
you go, there's a nice littlesandwich sandwich of my day, rather mean
somebody giving you a five course mealof it. You know you're go jaez.

(01:09:59):
So and is it Hailey Joe JoeChristine on tick Pickers at Murphy Do
you know what I need to sortthis out? To be honest, Tom,
But on Instagram it's Hailey Joe Christineykay. On TikTok, it's Haley
Joe sixty eight. What did jo? I didn't choose that? No,
I would have never You're like No, I'm sixty nine because you're a twelve

(01:10:21):
year old boy. No, it'sno sixty eight. Okay, well,
yeah, I can't imagine there's toomany Hailey Joe Murphy's unless well it would
be actually really flattering to find outthat somebody had done like a pan page
or a doppel ganger or something likethat. But yeah, we need to
get on that, because you knowwe do. People are going to be

(01:10:44):
listening now. Yeah, l HaleyJoe's sixty There's no ways she's Haley Joe
sixty eight. That's that's somebody inAlabama, isn't it surely sixty? Yeah?
It definitely lacks pizaz. It doesn't. It doesn't do what it says
on the ten. I was actuallyonly talking you the other day, and
I won't keep you too much longer, because no doubt you have many magical
things to do, and we're talkingabout the country music because I did.

(01:11:09):
I did the warm up. Iwas doing the warm up for the Late
Late Show. I got the firstten of them because that's all they can
give you, because nowadays the kindcontract for the full lot on listening unemployee,
because lord knows money is very strangeand art right now. But it
was great to do it. Itwas it was literally the easiest money I've
ever made my entire life. Itwas just it was great. And they
was saying with just galore, butwe did. I did the warm up

(01:11:31):
for the Country Music Special night,you know, with Nathan Carter and all
the usual suspects and stuff like that. But I was looking on and I
was talking with somebody the other dayabout and I said, do you know
what a friend of mine already hasthe name. She's got a double barrel
name. She could sing her wholeoff a country music She'd fucking make a
million fucking euro at this because they'reall trying so hard. But I'm like,

(01:11:51):
Hayley Joe was actually a really goodfocusinger. She's she knows you see,
none of them have done acting,and there's you know, there is
there has to be a level ofcharm in no matter what you're doing,
Like, there has to be alevel of You've got quite the part,
don't you. And I just Iwas going and the same fellow is like,
oh Jesus Christ, I go seeher already. And I don't know

(01:12:13):
it about it, but the name, like Hayley Joe. Of course she's
got to be a country singer.I was like, yeah, and country
is so huge now. And Itold you that five years ago country was
going to make a massive, massivebank. You called it. And I
still have yet to do the coverof Joline that you have requested. I
still haven't done us. That's whatI was getting around to. This entire
this entire hour of a podcast hasbeen nothing to do with you or your

(01:12:34):
success in your career. It's beenwhere the fuck is my cover of Joline
that I asked you for five yearsago? Where is this country music career?
I know I have to get onit. And actually, what's funny
is that with the tree we've Idon't have anything on the top of the
tree yet, but I actually said, I'm going to print out a photo
of Dolly Parton and she's going tobe the angel on top of my tree.

(01:12:56):
And if that's not a sign holdinghands with this the timing of this
podcast, so I think I needto get on that. I need to
start warming up the avenues. Well, I'm just look, Mamma Mia in
itself lens. I think the sameaudience will be happy enough to go over
and see it. In Dolly Parkin the musical or Joline. I actually
I do have an Icyl pair ofOh my god, you actually have Coco

(01:13:20):
boots as well. What the fuck? Like, what are we doing?
What are you doing in the WestEnd? Why aren't you in Nashville right
now? I know? And weirdlyplaced right beside me where I've set up
to do this. Weirdly yeah,weirdly placed. Yeah, that's Shakespeare and
ship that is right there. That'sthat stuff. Didn't happen my accent,

(01:13:41):
that's that's the universe. I'm sorry, but that's the universe right now.
There you go. Hey Joe,this has been tremendous, Thank you very
very much, and we will bewatching for Bernstey and Fluggan's Housing coffee.
This has been sponsored by them.Actually have to say there are three different
types of coffee, but it's allburns in the Flugenhausen. It costs nineteen

(01:14:01):
pounds, yeah, sixty eight,don't worry, just say it's the one.
But no personality, that's whose personalityis completely faded. Yeah, thanks
again, Daily Joe and her lackof personality tremendous, So you know what

(01:14:24):
to do? Rate review and sharewould be absolutely tremendous if you could,
if you want to come over andbe a Patreon, I'd really appreciate that.
It helps, you know, ithelps the podcast. It actually makes
the podcast purposeful and whatnot. That'dbe great. Three dollars live podcast on
the seventeenth of December. As wellas that, you get all the videos,
the back catalog of everything, withoutan ad, without any adds,

(01:14:45):
and you get the rambo pot,which is one I do midweek to nobody,
but just run my mouth answering questionsfor the Patreons and whatnot, and
just you know, getting a bitloose, which you can't you do on
the open air. Other than that, follow Haley Joe if you can find
her, I'll put I'll put alink to her in the show notes,

(01:15:12):
but the other link will lead youto all the tickets, tour dates,
everything else. Listen, let's goon away, enjoy the rest of the
weekend, and I'll touch you againnext week. Can I gep Listening