277 - Bertie Brosnan - The Tom O Mahony Show

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moving quickly on to today's guest.I have been following this man for ages.
He is a fountain of knowledge andmy god, this could have gone
for about seven hours, but wedid. We we will go back at

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this, well we will, asthey say in America, we will run
this back because we had some crack. It was deep, it was brilliant,
it was funny, I learned stuff, you know what. I enjoy
people who read books essentially, andthis man is no different. He's absolutely
brilliant, Irish mythology, Irish history, and just an all round good egg.

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It's Bertie Brasna. Well Bertie.By the way, Bertie, thanks
a million. But that is somethingthat has to be one of the best
names I've ever had on the podcastin nearly three hundred names, Bertie Brosn
like that. That's one that's onelike I'm buying whatever Bertie Bertie brosn in
the seven Do you know that kindof way? Well, I do have
a Patreon there you can sign on. Joking. No, maybe if you

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ever get an award kind of metup for best name or something, I
gladly would take that into the post. You know, yeah, I can't
like it's you went for your Bartolomeworiginally, Yeah, Bartholemew is my legal
name, so it's it's it's actuallya family tradition. So first son is
called Bertie, so I'm hoping tohave his son someday, so he will

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be Bartholomew Bartholomew Bras and Bertie isthe short for Clay. It's funny because
I met Bertie or Heran actually indrum Condra. I live near drum Condre
at one time back in twenty totwenty one, and we had a brief
chat. I stopped him like,you know, it's just gas to see
I've got Bertie like that, Isaid, my name is Bertie as well,
and it's just like he asked mestraight He kind of asked me pretty

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much straight away, says are youchristened Bartolomew as well? As says I
am you know, so it's aweird one, that Bertie in the Bartolemy.
Yeah, I always thought it wasAlbert but yeah, that's it a
lot of people do. Yeah,yeah, that'll tell you what I know
anyway. But you're like for theavid, for the good eared person that
is definitely not a drum condra accent. Definitely not no one from County Kerry,

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true County carry beautiful beauty and yeah, yes, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I don't think I havelike very strong carry accent, but it
comes up, you know, itcomes out like you know, do you
know hanging around with me Bertie nowand I'm extremely I get very country when
I talk to other and you'll probablyend up with it takes some sort of
country monster usk accent of some sorthappening already. I can feel it,

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just your ancestors crawling up through.Yeah yeah, start talking talking football five
minutes and that's the podcast ruined.Nothing to do with that. You're you're
not to forced actually to say aboutthen you're not to say about my name.

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But back in back in my actingdays, I won't say who it
was. Was a casting director.She'll never get I nearly got a couple
of things out of her, butnever quite She said it about my name.
She said, like it really hurtsme up. She says that name.
She said, like it's brilliant.And I was just like, but
just give me a role, like, you know, brilliant. Like if

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it looks brilliant, why don't weput it on the screen, you know,
let's have it in the credits.I nearly got two big things with
her. It didn't quite happen,and I never really kind of got anywhere
after that, but it always stuckwith me. When she said that,
she really meant it, like,you know, don't don't they say that,
like when you you know you'll bewalking out of casting a casting Jesus

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Christ, have done enough of themthings and they say, like, you
know, you should leave something that'siconic, you know, not iconic,
but something that's memorable, like youknow, wear glasses in and go should
I do this without my glass orwith my glasses? Just so that you
sound a bit different than other people. I never did any of that shit.
I mean, again, very him, very close, turned up and

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small at anything I ever got Bertiewas purely more or less by a phone
call. It was like, hey, can you be in the thing because
we were You're exactly actually we youknow, don't bother putting in with anybody
else because I would feel miserably.I've been cast in a thing like the
Yeah, it's how I've been to. I've done the cattle marting in I

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can't remember the name of the playedthe fish pond kind of commercial actors and
stuff. I've done loads of them, but I got one big one out
of this. And I remember turningup to the casting and it was like
like I turned up. I didn'teven know what was happening. And I
kind of walked in late and Iwas just like nonchalantly. They're like,
what's going on? And there wasSalahs dressed in bike biking gear and stuff

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like that. I was like,what, so what am I doing here?
And I walked in and he goes, when you just get up on
the bike. I was in ameteor ad like you know, the lead
person in the meta add massive money, And I just got up in the
bike and I was I was actuallywearing a shirt like yourself, like a
check kind of a like almost likea shot like that. And I just
got up and I was cycling awayand I just knew immediately I got it

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because they were all lit up behindand I was like, what am I
doing? Let's go there. Butit was just amazing to me because all
the other times I went was preparedand I was worried, and like when
I wracked in, I was like, what's going on? I was looking,
I was like what I'm you know, it was just like I don't
know, there was the energy,My energy was was just didn't It's not

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that I didn't care, It's justI didn't have enough time to care or
kind of think about it, youknow. Do you know? I think
that's that comes across sometimes because thathas been said to me. You're as
well to go in and not givea shit when you go in there,
which is all well and good,but if you've if you do give a
shot, then it's very hard tohide that shot, you know what I
mean? But what one second?Sorry? Tom, Yes, got you

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again. I'm so sorry, sosorry. I've been dealing with a couple
of technical things there. Sorry,Tom. But yeah, man, So
you were saying about like going inand just not being prepared and not thinking
too much about it. It wasit was it was exactly that. But
when you do give a shop.But almost everybody said that, But I
think I add energy. Sometimes theyhave in their head what they're looking for.
I remember I was doing an adfor Guinness and I was chewing.

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I got a few of us gotit, but they were like on the
day the director and this is howcruel ads are. I would tell people,
don't forget it, because this isthe worst they're like on the day.
If you're in the ad, ifthey're happy enough that you you know,
you get to it, so you'reguaranteed three hundred and fifty quid,
right, I just not a badday's work for arson around inside and a

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public over on the North side.No, it wasn't on the North side
Pool Beg Street and Scratch. Butthey said if you get if you end
up just being the featured face ofit, which they'll decide kind of the
day, and you'll get ten grand. I was las, yes, it's
literally your man was going along.He's going and it was like something out

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of Oh my God. It waslike something that almost slave time, sort
of want of a better phrase.He's going along the bar and we're all
kind of standing there as we're beingtold and the guy this director from Canada
is going, yeah, and he'sdoing that wenky thing, Bertie, you
know what, he's making a rectangle. Just use your eyes. Look at
this. You're three ft away,use your eyes. And he's doing this

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thing. Passing along, He's likeand he gets to me and he said
something like no oh, and hewent to Eddie. I went, we're
making a ahead, what do youwant from it? But the lad he
just didn't know what and the ladbesides that, yeah, maybe, and

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as it turns out, that ladfeature, but we looked, you know,
the same, like there was nothingextra whatever this got I was saying,
but just remember walking away, likefifty quid's not bad for today,
but the way they did it,I was like, oh, yes,
the three hundred and fifty felt probablya little bit tarnished by that, Like
you know what I mean. It'slike if you yeah, you know,

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I know exactly what you're talking about, because those times with the like the
amount of times going in and you'reliterally just you're discarded, right, It's
like you're just like, okay,bye, you know, like and that.
But that particular time. There's beenother times as well, in feature
films and stuff and short films whereyou just know like you've gotten it,
You just have this feeling or atleast you're exceptionally close to getting it.

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Yes, you know what I mean, the way they are with you,
And it's an energetical thing as well. It's kind of like dating, you
know, because I cast short filmsand things like that, and for want
of a better way of describing,it's a bit like dating where it's kind
of like it just is a kindof a feeling, you know, like
the performance, yes, the waythey look. Yes, But there is

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this kind of energetical thing about itas well, of course. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I mean it'sthere's should say it like a stand up
which is what I you know,main game. But you see it in
people. You guy could walk outwith next now material. But he's got
energy, you know, and he'sgot that thing. There's a thing that's
in people that can't be taught,can't be replicated. Yes, as the

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kid now he is, he isa kid. He's only like twenty two
or whatever, but he's man.He I've had him open for me a
few times and he's just got thething. What did you aage your mind
giving giving Chris McShane. Yeah,I talked about him like Shane, he's
he's from Cork and well he's originallyfrom up the North I think, but
you wouldn't know it by his accident, but he he he just has the

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thing. We drove all the wayfrom I picked him up in Cork one
time. We drove to the backend ours of county. It would be
still Cork but it was Bantry backroads. Yeah, I mean I melted
my ear for the whole drive backand the whole there on just the art
form, the raft and where doyou push words? How do you elon?
What are you thinking when you're elongatingthose vowels there? And I'm like,

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oh, I don't I don't careabout being asked these questions because you
absolutely have the thing. Like itwas like meeting you know, somebody who
absolutely has the bug and will bea stand up. That's it, you
know, bottom line, that's whatthat's what you're put on his art to
do. But that that is wonderfulthough, that when someone has it doing
well but they're still inquisitive and wantingto learn more and more and more,

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and they're asking those questions and it'sinfectious, like and I love that because
I think there's a difference between havingit, having talent and kind of being
wasteful about it and just kind of, you know, treating it like it's
kind of your god given right toget things, instead of like being that
person where you're you've been given something, but you're also wanting to learn and

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soak in anything. I think that'sthat's that's unbelieving. People like that deserve
everything that they get, and that'swhy I think every opportunity I have to
give the guy a gig. He'sgetting a gig, like you know,
big one to do, you knowwhat I mean, because it'll bring him
on and I you know, it'ssmall bit of me with a bride in
that, like, yeah, lookat him this year. Yes, it's
a great name by the way,Chris maksh it's a good name too.

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It's a great Yeah. And he'sgot his own unique style. So he's
one for the future for sure.Now tell me I came across you.
It was TikTok forms when I cameacross you, and you like you had
agree initially you had you had kindof had the figures that you look great
like it would pan to you andit was clear that you knew what a
camera was and you knew what thesetting was because you only have somebody for

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a split second to go do shwipe on and go to another person dancing?
Or do I stop and listen tothis person who's going to say something
interesting? You had that and andstraight away I was like, oh Jesus
is because I'm always excited when Icome across an Irish person who's saying something
interesting American or a British person,Like yeah, but it's it's a bit

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hard to listen and everything it isa bit hard. I mean it's always
well intentioned, but you know,it's always a bit that it's definitely a
bit hard to listen to us.There seems to be always a bit of
sauce, especially when as an American. It's like what, I don't know,
you're saying this to get clicks orare you're saying this because you actually
believe it? You know that kindof way. Sometimes it's like there's I'm
not saying there isn't an authenticity init, but there's sometimes is there is

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there genuine like what's your goal here? Because you know, now I'm getting
deep into like a fifteen second watchingof a person. But that's my reasoning
for why I ended up stopping onyou. And I was like, oh
Jesus Christ, And of course you'resaying the relatable stuff that I'm interested to
like, So where did for you? Where did the start of because it
wasn't TikTok that started you on yourinterested you know, but you're obviously in

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the film and performance world. Andthen where did the two marry up that
you'd be an interest in, like, you know, ancient mythology and stuff,
the Irish mythology and history as were. Yeah, well, like in
terms of the interest in you know, history, mythology, folklore, that's
been ever since I was a child, you know, it's been. There's

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there's a few different kind of originstories around it, you know, I
suppose, And I've talked about thiskind of on my podcasts and stuff like
that and in others other people's podcastsas well. It's definitely to do with
my father and the locations of wherewe kind of grew up, so like
in West Kerry and also in thetrelle area, but also as well,

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there is this big there is thisbig story in the truly homelands the Queen
Scotia mythology. And she's buried inthe homelands of trely So like basically up
in the Sleevemish Mountains. It overlooksTruly Town and Bay. And we as
kids were kind of going up there, like you know, from by ourselves

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from around ten to eleven, twelveyears old, so we would like literally
go to her grave, you knowwhat I mean. So there was this
massive interest in the story, andyou know, also coupled with my father's
kind of interest in history, thestories that we were being told as we
were going back to the place calledClahan. So my father was a fishery
bailiff, so I would have spentevery summer in this place called Klahan in

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West Kerry at the foot of MountBrandon. Yes, so this whole area
is steeped in history, Saint Brendanhimself, you know what I mean.
You know the Connor Pass region wherethere's all these kind of mythological stories about
Kuk Coulin as well on the wayof the Cara Connor Pass itself, there
is this kind of there is amyth logical story to the Connor Pass.

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I just can't quite get get it. Because it's a bit obscure. But
anyway, so that's kind of thefoundation of it. And also that kind
of was all that stuck with mein terms of my own interest in storytelling
and kind of that kind of wasalways my thing, and Supernatural kind of
was coming into it as well,you know, but in terms of like

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coming forward and it kind of youI can't say like it was always interested.
And I guess I suppose I wasinterested in the movies like Brave Heart,
growing Up, Gladiator and stuff likethat on a very commercial level.
I always had this interest in kindof historical stories. But then I suppose
I got older, and I kindof wasn't thinking about, you know,

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anything to do with history or studyingit or any interesting kind of reading too
many books about it. I mean, I would always have a little bit
of a vague interest. But thekind of the new kind of phase of
interests really started around twenty fifteen,twenty sixteen, when I was immersed in
the film industry and I heard thatthere was one time run twenty fifteen that

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the Junior Ship was going to losemandatory history just for a brief time.
I think they threw it out aftera while because Duble, Michael D.
Higgins I was writing against it andeverything. You know, they were trying
to basically get rid of compulsory historyfor junior search students. And I was

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just completely baffled by this. Andthen I was thinking about it, is
this like a homogenization of cultures?Is this is a globalization kind of a
thing. And then I started researchinghistory again, so I got into the
story of Brian Brew. Then Istarted writing a script about Brian Brew.
I got money off Kerry County Councilto write a script on Brian Brew.
I went down to the Blasket Islandsand wrote the script in twenty eighteen.

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So that's how I kind of startedthis new phase of like really getting in
depth into history, you know,since that time, and I just I
kind of discovered rediscovered like how unbelievableIrish history is, you know, including
mythology and folklore, because I kindof looked at it as all one thing.
I know, history, mythology isdifferent, but really it's not that

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different when you understand what metology is. It's the oral histories of Ireland and
also folklore. All I think itall has its origins in actual real events.
Of course whether those yeah, yeah, you know, so that's look,
that's kind of in a nutshell.And then I suppose just to finish
up, like in terms of megetting on TikTok and all that that that

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was kind of, as you said, marrying up with these skills, and
you know, after lockdown and afteryou know, there was just a huge
change of my own kind of outlookon life. What did I want to
do? And I didn't really wantto pursue an acting career anymore. I
found filmmaking even quite difficult. Thefact that the whole world just closed down,
the whole world closed down and youknow, just out of nowhere.

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It kind of scared me a littlebit. So I started doing social media
content and I just you know,started telling stories. And the Scotia Queen
Scotia story is the one that blewup on TikTok in twenty twenty two.
And I, as you said,like I know how to you know,
present the camera. You know,that's all from my acting days. And
I saw other people kind of tellingstories and I said I would do something

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similar, and I tried it out. I did not think for a second
that was go to go as asas it did. I really didn't.
I had no idea. I justsaid I'll try it out. I was
kind of like looking for something likeI was looking for a new creative outlet.
Basically, isn't it guess like youcould pick up a hammer and chisel,
or you can get on Twitter orTikTok. Creativity. This is what

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I've often go rooting for people andyou can even find it in sports stars
and how they go about I lovehow people end up rooting it out of
themselves some which way it will comeout. Even if all you're doing is
you know what I mean with aballpaper like you you'll do something, something
will have to come creative out ofyou. It's like it's bursting out of
your posts. And like you said, absolutely know how it was going to

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go, Tom, Sure I startedTikTok. Of course it went brilliantly like
you know what I mean? Ofcourse it did, like you know,
you know, maybe you didn't know, but there was a subconscious nugget inside
your brain on it's going to beclass. This is going to be class.
I promise you I did, honestly, Tom. Afterwards, yes,
because I knew what what what wouldcome afterwards I kind of have more confidence

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after. But when I first didthe Scotia story, this is actually literally
what I thought. I thought itwould be great for tree people, Yes,
because kind of it was something thatwe could I always think at least
they would like it, you knowwhat I mean, because it's it's our
own homeland. But the opposite thingkind of happened. It was everybody else
around the world that loved it,because of course it brings in this Egyptian

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influence, it brings in the Africanyou know, kind of you know,
North African influence, and also thenyou're talking from you know, a European
kind of a thing, because theytraveled through Europe, you know, and
up from Spain. And then ofcourse the Scots were involved in it as
well, because Scotia would have giventhe name to Scotland scoti you know.
So there was this whole influx ofall these different people talking about it.

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I was getting grief as well,of course, because that's what you get
on social media, which was interesting. Yeah, it was mad. I
love it now, I love it, I love it all. But at
the start it was scary, youknow. But yeah, yeah, so
basically that's I genuinely did not thinkit was going to go well at that
time, but then I knew Oncethat went well, I says, Okay,

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now I've got a lot of stuffto tell you know, isn't that
Yeah? Because Jesus Christ, whenyou do when you open that cupboard,
that it hasn't really prior to you, like it hadn't been tapped into before.
I mean, heaven forbid we getone more Egyptologist on there, like
you know what I mean. Okay, there's no doubt Egypt's cool, but
Jesus, you know what I mean. I can nearly draw draw the inside

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of the chambers myself now that I'veever been there. But yeah, when
you opened the cup and what nobody'sever made a right job of this?
From do you know Brian Brew toFion McCool to Cook Colon, you know,
nobody's I remember there was years andyears ago, there was mooted that
they were talking. There was talkswith Fastbender to do a Cook Colon movie
years ago, but never never wentanywhere. Like I'm always I'm always kind

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of like I really this might sounda little bit controversial, but I actually
genuinely have a little respect for thesea list actors that are not doing more
for it, like they just surelycan talk to the right people and they
don't need to go Like that's theproblem with it as well. It's like,
let's do a true column movie whereit has to be like Mada Marvel

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Universe. You could get down toit, like a tiny little part of
it, you know, make somethingfor about ten million, you know what
I mean, you know, geta little part of the story, like
you know, start off small.You know, surely Fastbender and these people
can can't get twenty million together,fifty million together and actually make something like
independent film in that world of course, Like when you look at something like

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that, like the Norseman one,you know what I mean, it was
like fairly, I don't want tosay it was there was nothing fancy about
it, but it ended up beingin a throwing movie because it was just
so dark and harsh looking. Imean, you know, yeah, no
iero technics, you know what Imean, no huge c G. I
needed just one whole scary looking dudewith a beard like that was that was

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it essentially. Yeah, yeah,I think they do, you know what.
The Viking rating scenes are unbelievable inthat movie, Like, I mean,
they're incredible. You're in the Vikingrace, like you know what I
mean. But I just think theywent fell off a cliff after a while.
The movie itself, yeah yeah,but yeah it fell off the cliff
is the second half, you know. But I still really liked it.

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But look, look it is cool, like it's it's it's an amazing But
going back to like say, likeyou know, bringing bringing said, you
know, these these mythological stories tolife, it's it can be done,
like it can be done. Ijust don't understand why they don't put more
effort into it. You know.I think that there really is a block.

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I really think there's a block toelevating the Irish story, you know,
at that level. I can't findany reason for it, Like,
you know, because they'll do it. I mean they'll do it for I
remember there was a we watched itonly because it was it was a well
made drama. Now it was dubbedover, wouldn't you know, it wouldn't

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be one I typically, but itwas dubbed over and it was basically loosely
telling the story of how the thethe depths of go Beckley, Teppy and
Turkey, and I mean there waskind of going shout, jasus, you're
putting this out and it was dubbedover because it was actually Turkish made.
But you're like, nobody else wouldhave an interest in this, bar somebody

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from Turkey, Like so why notmake something for you know, for Ireland
as well? Like I mean,I think if it's a good enough story
and a cool enough story, it'dbe taken up no matter where. You
know, there's a huge Aspera outthere too that would absolutely dig it.
It's massive. I don't understand itbecause the big I had a controversial kind
of take on the Vikings, Like, I don't see why it's controversial.

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Maybe my approach to the to thevideo maybe perhaps, But I put out
there like saying like Vikings has beenhere, you know, especially the first
Vikings. It's been here. Hewas here from around twenty ten to whatever
time Nearty ten years or something.And in that whole time they're here using
Irish locations, Irish actors, everything. Tax incentives brilliant, amazing, nothing

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wrong with that. People took meup the wrong way as if I was
giving out about that, like taxescenterves are amazing, yes, but why
wasn't the Why wasn't the Gaelic storyinvolved with the Vikings? Because we had
four hundred years of history with them? Like ive are the bonus? Why
wasn't he based in Dublin? Likehe was based here, you know what

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I mean? They sent them offto rules. He never went there.
And you know what the Irish producersinvolved in the Vikings? Like, there's
a Irish producers involved, high upguys, high up individuals. I won't
name. It's easy to find whothey are. Surely they're they're talking to
the creator and we're getting they're gettingmassive Like people say, oh, the

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tax incentives. You know, technically, if you kind of look at it,
taxing centives work. We do thepeople provide the cash, you know,
the cash. The cash is likeyou get the cash in advance and
then you you kind of put itback through the economy because you're you're creating

(27:22):
jobs for the economy. You know, you're bit, you're creating work for
the for the workers and stuff.But it's initially you're getting a cash.
You're you're getting a cash amount whenyou start the production. That's how tax
incentives work. The cash. Whatam I looking for a cash input,
like you know, so, Likemy point was like they're getting this,

(27:44):
but yet they're not including the Irishstory. Yet there's Irish producers involved in
it, and an Irish government isinvolved in it, with four hundred years
of history with the Vikings, butyet there's not one single story and Irish
because I mean, all people canexp like, oh, look it's you
know, it's it's they shot inWicklow and you're like, yeah, but

(28:06):
there's you could like, how wasthere not a braver person to put a
bit of a lean on the writersand go, by the way, while
you're here the name Wicklow, thename Wicklow is derived from Viking origin.
There you go like you couldn't leanon him a little bit and go while
you're at atlands you may you maywrite in a bit there, write in
a bit about us. Any anychance our story could be told, like

(28:30):
just for just for a scene,maybe perhaps maybe even an episode like for
instance, Flokey went to I can'tremember exactly how the story goes, but
the place that he went to oneof the places I'm not sure, I
can't remember. Did he go toseveral, but this it was it was
based on the real event where theydiscovered I think it's Iceland Land, yeah,
something along those lines, or isit the fair Islands or something.

(28:52):
So they shot it in the locationwhere this man would have gone to,
right. Yeah. So there there'sthe example of the real event with the
real base and the real character shootingit in the real location. But in
Ireland we're here for ten years andthere's not one Irish character in the whole
show, but yet they're getting youknow what I mean, It's just it's

(29:15):
scandalous, like it's it's completely criminal. In my opinion, I mean criminal.
When I say criminal, I meanlike in terms of artistic a hugely
wasted wasted opportunity when you're like,literally half the story of them is a
here, do you know what Imean? Half the story you're in the
place that you're already you know,if it looks if it looks like it

(29:36):
should, then there's probably a goodstory here somewhere too, like if if
it didn't you know, the Irishactors, yeah, you had like you
know, I mean, look,friends, I'm not saying Gabriel Byrne should
have played a different character, butthere's an example, like he was in
the first Yes season. You know, Garabiel Byrne. There's plenty of actors
that would Timothy V. Murphy whoI wanted to play Brian Brew? Perhaps

(29:59):
will Brian Brew perfect actor for it? Like you know, and yeah,
that's all I have to say init, really, But like I definitely
think there's a block. I thinkfor me when I look at it,
it's like if you push them onit, it's like would they say like
there's not enough of an audience forit, But like that's not true because
it's like, I don't know howfactual all of this is, but there

(30:22):
are certainly up to hundreds of millionsof people claiming to be Irish right around
the world. There's literally about onehundred and fifty to two hundred claiming it.
Not saying it's true or not theyclaim it. Are they not going
to be interested in it? Ofcourse it would be to be fair.
On the more I think about it, you wouldn't if if it was a
cool enough story, it doesn't reallymatter, do you know what I mean?

(30:44):
You could you know, it's doesn'treally matter if it's going to because
you we've all watched plenty of moviesfrom places then, but we have no
idea earlier, you're like, thisis what's a cool movie? Like,
you know, it was a goodmovie. It won't it won't really matter,
like, but the stories are alreadysitting there, ready to ready to
go to the unbelievable stories. Battleof Clan Darff happened fifty years before the

(31:06):
Battle of Hays, things like,and it was one of one of the
most it is for me, probablythe one of the biggest pivotal pop top
tree pivotal moments in Irish history.And also it like, the Vikings never
conquered Ireland. Yeah, you knowwhat I mean, they'd never conquered,
but Vikings sat on the throne ofEngland. So I often think the writer

(31:26):
Michael Hurst, I actually think hehad like for me, I personally think
there's a bit of a thing aboutthe Irish like you know that he doesn't
didn't want to he didn't want toelevate them. You know, we didn't
have to because either the bonus washere. Could he could have had the
king, he could have had theKingship of Dublin, which was actually a
Viking city state and it was twinnedwith York. Yes, perfect, they

(31:51):
didn't even have to have it whereoh, it's all about the high kings
of Ireland. They could just havelittle bits where there's the little battles going
on. Perhaps some of the Gaelichigh kings at that point were in kind
of you know, were in cahootswith them, you know, because that
was happening. There was times whenthe Viking Kings of Dublin were working with

(32:12):
the kings. It wasn't always battlinglike you know, so there was so
much room for it, like youknow, And I taught the Roos story
with ever the bonus. I thoughtit was a bunch of nonsense, like
it was just it was weird,It didn't make any like, it didn't
make any sense, like and thenhe comes back out of that, and
what's what's the difference. The onlything I knew one of the actors,
he actually was one of the last. He was. He was one of

(32:34):
the HARDI books, yes, yes, in it, like he looks the
part. You know. He wasthe red Head lad Redhead's fair. He's
brilliant. He's brilliant. I knewso many people on that show. There
was one of the best cameos.I don't know if you I don't know
if we're going off on tangents hereTom, but you're already Yes. There

(32:58):
was one of the best cameos I'veever seen a guy from Cork. Do
you remember when Rollo Rollo kind ofturns on he turns on it turns on
Ragnar But it was just before hegets handed Normandy and he comes back.
He comes back to kind of there'sa Viking outpost kind of near and he

(33:20):
comes back and slaughters them. Andthere's this one guy he's allowed from Cork
and he actually worked on a filmthat I was producing, Misty Button,
And the guy that was directing MistyButton, I said it to him,
I says, watch that episode,watch that episode of Vikings. This guy
is perfect for the role because he'slike no, Like he has this big,
huge dramatic scene where he's like pretty, he's dying, like you know,

(33:43):
he's like, God, I catchyou, you know, unbelievable stuff
like you know. So it wasalways I always loved it when I saw
people that I actually knew, likecolleagues and things like that, working on
it, Like yeah, yeah,and do you tell me this do you
find because I I I saw youput something about because I asked you.
I love finding people that read books, because literally and almost nobody reads books

(34:06):
anymore. So I will, I'llblatantly ask a question. And I think
you were speaking about Fion McCool,the real Fion McCool. And I had
a question because not that it wasbeen debated, but it was a local
he's a local TD And we're runthe two Johnny's podcasts and the two the
two of us where we're having acrack, and I said, where where
did you get all the Fion McCoolstuff from? Like, because there's one

(34:27):
cashal up the road and this isn'tcare or local town cash up the roads
on Brian Brews stuff so they cankeep him. We're going film McCool and
he basically he rooted out the storyfun had he'd hunted across literally a part
well by the route. If youdrew the route it drives goes right through
the side where we're building the houseat the minute. Or he was supposed
to have hunted this giant stag allthe way he got him, but he

(34:51):
rested by the river shore in nearCare. And that's they have a thirty
five foot Jean McCool in the riveroutside Care. Cast about this and I'm
absolutely wait when did they put thatin? All? Literally about a year
and I'd say about a year anda half ago most at most. But
since then now they've had it verycool, they're very cool bits. Now

(35:15):
they have the must be ten foottall. Uh. They have two wolf
wounds carved. They got somebody tochange our carved two wolf founds watching over
derful, wonderful via the deer thenand somebody very cool did that. They
did her in it's in limestone,but they did her like in three separate
parts. So when you're looking straighton, you're like, oh, that's
a deer looking at me. Butas you walk closer to step over the
side, it's three steps apart.Part. You know, somebody really awesome.

(35:37):
But of course drives kids crazy thenthey want to know more about you
want to know about And of courseyou're looking at this impeccable Butler castle right
behind, which adds to any story, do you know. You're like,
well, this is a fairy tale. We're living in a fairy tale right
now, Like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, ark Castle.
That that's the that's Stanley Kubig shotthere. I'm merely sure. Stanley Kubig

(35:59):
shot Barry Lynden there, did hebecause I know they had nearly sure castle.
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty surethat. Yeah they you know what,
I think You're right, there's Iknow the the there was the latest
one was this The Green Knight wasone of was one of the latest ones
with your man from slum Dung Millionaire. And yes they shut the town down.

(36:21):
Was it two years ago? Itwas kind of during during lockdown.
It was with Matt Damon was doinga medieval one as well, because it's
a it's perfect. It's just offthe motorway from Cork to Dublin and it's
loads of parking for you know,whoever needs parking in the way of the
production and it's a ready to gocastle. It looks like it was built
only yesterday, but it's obviously it'samazing. Yeah, one hundreds of years

(36:45):
old. And finally, I meanfairness to Andy Maloney to give him a
shout out the local senator and theRTD saying he was he was right,
he was gone, Jesus, weneed to be using this look at it,
look at this area like and wemay jump on the Fenger cool thing
is well. Of course the wifeis absolutely buzzing because we even you know,
we named our child. There's acat wandering around called figs Now.

(37:07):
He's a bastard, he is,you know, he's what's he called Angus?
Is it no Finigus? We callthe cat fash finicky. I was
thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, it just it just broke up for
a second. Yeah, Phinicus afterthe druidh the drew. But he's he
is a wandering one. He's hecomes back during the winter, but chegs
off. So maybe that's what,isn't it. Yeah, he goes off

(37:29):
fighting for summer and fighting right,no doubt, and then comes back fishing.
He's fishing, fishing, fishing.He's still looking for that Sammon,
he's still looking for I hate totell you he's still broke up. He's
broke up, but he's still brokeup, like you know, sickn Let
it go real fiers like Jesus.Yeah, seven years fish man. He

(37:54):
made a big mistake though then yeahhe been a big mistake. Though.
It was a big mistake. Letand then cook the samd in like you
know, you know, he slippedup. But did you you had a
question about it about certain was ita certain book you were about to ask
it was? It was in relation. It was in relation to that I
was. I was asking that timeon it was actually on TikTok and afairs.

(38:15):
You message you message me back orreply back under I was like,
do you because it wasn't that wewere round myself. But I was like,
is there more to the story thatFun had? Had you heard more
about it that Andy was on aboutthat day that apparently he hunted one of
a stag across the Galty Mountains,across to the glenar Marlow and we were

(38:36):
I wasn't denying it. The ladsare like, yeah, sure, I
think Fun maccool's stories were kind offurther up the country. I was like,
no, he traveled all around.He traveled all around. Yeah,
that's a fact. He traveled alllent and bread of the country. There's
there's yeah, because I remember,prior prior to having our child name and

(38:59):
whatever, I remember you have tolisten to this because it was my choice
for a finish. But there wasa great on YouTube. There's they made
him years ago and it's Ronnie Drew. Did you ever listen to it?
Ronnie Drew? June didn't telling thestories, telling Irish mythological stories in short
versions, and of course having sucha great voice too. Yeah you know

(39:22):
what I mean. And we're sittingthere going hold on. So it's like
a fengerculs from the same sex,you know, his parent, the two
mothers. Basically it's like yeah,yeah, way before his time, like
yeah, oh no, the womenlike he that because I kind of focused
on that in my kind of documentary. I'm really proud of that one actually,

(39:44):
you know, and if anybody's watchingthis, you can watch it on
my YouTube channel. It's actually thefirst video. See I'm leaving you up
as the kind of like you know, the main video really and you know,
yeah, so he would have beenbrought up, brought up by literally
by women, like literally for thewhole his whole life up built in the
time he went to the Finnicus,you know, and he would have been
trained by a warrior, a warriorwoman. He's yeah, there was.

(40:07):
His mother and his auntie were hugelyin his life, and so he would
have been surrounded by that kind offeminine energy growing up, which is interesting
because I feel like people don't realizethat back in those times, the feminine,
the females were hugely important. AndI know that sounds like really almost

(40:29):
there's there's no way of kind ofsaying it without sounding a little bit misogynistic
or something usually important like but no, it's like they had such status like
you know, and they were everythingwas on merit like it was a meritocracy
like you know, and it waslike if you had the skills, it
didn't matter like you know, youknow, and and it was it was
you know, women had. Therewas a lot more to them back then

(40:54):
than you would imagine, you know, And I think it's fair it's not
really looked at properly, you know. And that's a prime example, like
that fil McCoo, one of ourgreatest heroes was brought up by women.
You know, That's what that wasthe bit that caught me. I was
like, because of course, youknow, you hear the story of you
know, the Pirate Queen, andthere were then there was I mean,

(41:15):
there was again a story and I'veasked a bunch of people and they've never
heard. But by now, whetherthe Romans didn't have a go with Ireland
or not for whatever reason, toHell or to conduct and all the rest
of these stories that we hear butapparently that a scouting general and what not
to see what what was what overhad met some of the most ferocious women,

(41:36):
warrior women, and some would filetheir teeth down for purity fighting purposes.
And he was like, I that'swe if this is what it's this
is what they're fighting with each otherwith. He says, we can't.
No, there's no point in gettingeven stipping our toe in this because those
people are just absolutely ferocious. Let'sjust leave it just in terms of the

(41:58):
Roman battalions and stuff like that,and were certainly scouting Ireland. If people
think that they weren't scouting Ireland thenchecking us out, there's no there.
It's just silly, like why wouldyou come that far and go nah yeah,
oh no, they didn't want thatthe fox and the grapes kind of
a thing, like ah nah,it's just you know, and that's why
we had the hill forts. BasicallyI'm being sarcastic now, but that's like,
for instance, in the tree area, even like there's this huge hill

(42:21):
fort that was uncovered literally looking overthe bay, so like, why are
these hill fords there? You knowwhat I mean? And this this was
dated back to twenty This is potentiallyup to one hundred and twenty eighty right
upright, twenty b Sorry sorry,sorry, one hundred and twenty BC up
to twenty eight This is what thedates range was, right. And then
someone said something to me. Idon't want to mention who it is,

(42:45):
just in case he doesn't want tobe shouted out like you know, but
he said something interesting to me,and I just was like shot when I
heard it. It just made somuch sense. Now it's it is speculation.
But like, for instance, alot of these mythological tales, there's
a theory that well there is thereis, there is a complete fact with
that. The Christians when they startedwriting down these these stories, they would

(43:07):
have added their own flair to itbecause of the Christian the Christianization of stuff,
and they would they would always kindof favor the Roman view and kind
of just be a little bit,you know, whitewashing a little bit,
you know what I mean, justto make it sound a little bit more
ideal. But for instance, theBattle of Entry, which is film McCool

(43:27):
and he's Fienna fighting and invading force, so to take. Like so when
Fun died, it was around Ithink one hundred and twenty eighty or something
along those lines. In the secondcentury. That's when it's written into the
Anamals of Ireland. So let's justsay in his fighting years it would have
been the first century. Who whowere the main force going around the place
at that time? The Romans ofcourse? Who else was that? And

(43:52):
the person that they were the funand the fena we're fighting was Dara Dunn,
King of the world. Wow,so who's there done? It sounds
like an Irish name, but obviouslythey just really added it in Dara done
some guys, you know, butreally probably the Emperor's like you know,
Battalion, like you know what Imean? Who else was king of the

(44:13):
world at the time. According tothe Christians, it wasn't the Mexicans,
as they say, like you knowwhat I mean exactly Darre Done. This
is one of our cousins from America, Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know. So it's like,you know, and obviously people say,
well it's only a mythological story,but like, okay, fair enough,
but these we were once the allhistories of Ireland and they became more fantastical

(44:35):
as the years with Dan. Butlet's just break it down. Let's just
say there was an invading force andthere was an actual you know and a
domestic army of some sort, youknow, fighting them. Let's just say
that did happen in that time.Who else would it be, you know,
that was invading it those times Andit mightn't have been like a complete

(44:58):
invasion. It might have been justa scouting part and a battalion like coming
onto the shore and they were attackedimmediately and defeated. And I reckon that
did happen around the shores of Irelandwhere it was like they rocked up on
and they said, look, it'stoo much. There's too many things happening
here for us to kind of check, you know. And I think as
well, when you actually look athistory and you go you go further on.
It wasn't until they actually had theinsider information with Dermott mcmurra, the

(45:23):
sellout, you know, that wasthe when they got when they got him
and that insider information, and theyhad like obviously time and moved on.
The Romans were finished, you know, and but the Roman Empire kind of
changed form, and you know thenyou had the English involved in King Henry
and Strongbow and you know, hopeAdrian the second, but he's papal ladability

(45:47):
or plus you had the insider thatknew exactly how things worked with the Kings,
and maybe perhaps there was a kindof a crue atta of some sort
as well, where Dermott rocked upand said, look, I'm sorry,
and next thing, the Anglo Normansare behind them, like you know,
I'm only just you know what Imean. But like I'm saying, it
wasn't until then that they felt comfortableto come in with the invading forces,

(46:12):
like you know it was. Itwasn't until the Anglo Normans that there wasn't
the full that there was a fullinvasion. You know, it took that
lam you know, it took avery long time. So yeah, the
likelihood that we were never attacked orat least poked at prior to that is
highly highly unlikely, you know whatI mean. The Vikings tried it.
The Vikings were trying it. Yeah, he tried it, you know,

(46:32):
they tried it for quite a longtime and they couldn't get it. Like
and people then right off Battle ofCantaps as not an invasion when there was
potentially up to thousands of mercenaries comingin on behalf of Citric silcond Beard to
think that they were just going tohead home afterwards and not take lance,
but in terms of like a fullon military military invasion with like all sorts

(46:54):
of geopolitical things going on, plusan insider that was like eleven sixty nine
with Dormot mcmurra and the Anger Normans. But before that, certainly with the
Romans, I think that what washappening with the Romans as well. I
know I'm jumping back and forth now, but with the Romans, they were
dealing with Scotland, and they foundScotland horrendous and they could they were even

(47:16):
calling for genocide of the Scots,like, that's how bitter they were about
us. That's a fact. Actuallythey called for genocide at one point.
Yeah, yeah, they were bitterlike. And I think they were dealing
with their own stuff and in Britannialike and then of course they couldn't fully
conquer the Welsh as well, becausethere was certain parts of it they couldn't
get to, and I think theyjust rocked up to the Irish shores a

(47:38):
couple of times and they just said, you know what, leave them off,
you know, And it took thatlong then. Yeah, so it's
incredible to think about us. Itreally is. You found yourself then,
because from what I was kind ofpicking up on was that Burrew then how
did you when you when you wrotefor was how is it that you chose?
Well, that's my man, That'swhy I'm gonna that's not gonna start

(48:00):
focusing writing great question, great questions. Yeah, there's a rake you could
have picked, you know what Imean, there's a tone, there's so
much Yeah. Yeah, and itwasn't It was never really he never really
struck me before, Like I knewthat there was other people trying to make
films with him. I think what'shis name is the guy from Cork.

(48:22):
He had apparently leaned out of thecapo and everything to if you're good,
I know, imagine that, likeyou know, the Irish accent will be
Dodge. It certainly wouldn't be aclear man's accent anyway else for sure,
or torment or like you know,but clear modern daycare. But but Brew,

(48:43):
I you know, I just thinkwhen I heard, as I said,
going back to the time when thehistory was being potentially taken off,
that story just jumped up and perhapsI was so foundationally kind of struck by,
you know, in terms of myown filmmaking kind of education. You
know, Brave Heart was a hugeyou know, oh yeah, you know,

(49:04):
you know, we watched that inschool at ten years old. Like
the teacher brought it in like andit was like, are you sure this
is all right? Lads? Youknow when they were cottage heads off and
stuff like, you know, AndI think as well, there's a lot
of similarities in the story. Actually, when you look at the William,
the William Waller story that Mel Gibsonmed compared to the real William Wallace story,
now there is there is a lotof similarities with the story that Mel

(49:27):
Gibson mad and actually the real WilliamWaller story and actually Brian brew and I
suppose maybe The Brave have been oneof my favorite movies of all time.
Perhaps there was that kind of whenI looked at his story, I was
thinking to myself, Wow, itis potential Irish Brave Heart. Lie,
yeah, you know, and that'skind of where I kind of And it

(49:47):
was also as well the way heI know, a couple of lads from
from the North, like, youknow, and I'm very respectful of them
and we were great banter about this, like you know, about the emails,
like you know, and it's likehe kind of he he went in,
but he just overturned. He justsaid, you know what, it's
not working. This thing is notworking. I've been dealing with these We've

(50:10):
been dealing with these vikings of Limerick. I've subdewed them. Now I've subdued
Waterford. Dublin needs subduing as well. And you guys, you're our high
kings, you be, you're thehigh kings of the northern half. We
need a high king of the wholecountry. Now. A loads of people
deny that. They say, oh, he wasn't thinking that like that.
I think I'm viehed mentally against allthat. I think he was trying to

(50:31):
unite the country. And I thinkhe did have communication because me and another
lad did a live stream clans andDynasty is a great guy, very good
guy, me Hall, and hewouldn't be on the same you know school
that taught as me. I thinkhe's coming over more to what I'm saying.
I think, I think, butwe would know because we've been talking

(50:54):
about this, like and people don'tthink about this that there's a there was
massive communication in these times. Peoplethink because just because they didn't have internet,
there was traders and traders and merchantsand you know, you know,
messengers and kings were knowing what wasgoing on in Europe, what was going
on in England, what was happening. They were educated, you know,

(51:15):
from the monasteries about this, themissionaries. There was communication, so certainly
things were coming over to Ireland.I like to think that actually Brian did
have a vision and he did knowthat there was something potentially bigger than the
Vikings perhaps at some point, andit was a kind of a kind of
a thing like let's some dudies,let's incorporated, and let's build something better

(51:38):
and maybe let's actually start potentially evenstart moving over to Scotland and maybe moving
over to Wales, because they weredoing that already with the Irish the Irish
War, already living in parts ofScotland, in parts of Wales, and
there was this kind of There aresome theories that Brian was actually getting tribute
from these places as well, soyou know, there was something yeah,

(52:00):
yeah, there's one theory that hewas getting tribute from from these places,
you know, and certainly the Scotsdid come over and help him in the
Battle of Clontarfe as well. Nowthere's all sorts of political reasons for that,
but Scots came over to the Battleof Clontarfe to fight for Brian and
fight for Ireland, like you know, you know, so there is this

(52:21):
whole thing. I don't think theywere like I don't think Brian was kind
of you know, just kind ofreacting the stuff, you know, and
it's just like building upon it kindof in a reactionary way. Genuinely think
he was a Napoleon kind of figurewhere there was this big, huge he
was. He was a kind ofa product of his time. And also

(52:44):
it was a pivotal moment in ourin our history, and he was the
guy like you know what I mean. And it was a tragic way it
all ended. But and it's thesame with Napoleon in the end. Napoleon
was just in the end, heended up being you know, on an
island and he was being slowly poisoned, you know, but what he did
in Europe was unbelievable. Like andI think Brian brew was our Napoleon or

(53:06):
or maybe our Charlamagne, you know, yeah, because that's as you said,
like there was there was always goingto be people coming across to and
you've got to pick up those.Hold on, So you're telling me the
United the whole country so under onethat makes perfect sense and we have a
little bit of a parliament and wework for the people. Yeah, yeah,
forget that sounds like a plan tome. Yeah, because as you

(53:27):
said, it's not reaction You can'tyou can't get that far being reactionary.
Gone, it's Tuesday. What arethey saying, Well, right, let's
start. You know, there hasto be a plan to go that far,
like you know what I mean.And there was one big thing thom
as well. And I know I'mvery passionate about this. You probably notice
there's one big indication where I thinkthis is why he was he was different.

(53:49):
Now, lots of people would disagreewith it because of our own Polonium
past and stuff like that, emperorsand all that. But he was he
was, he was. He wasyou know, stated in the anim of
Ireland as the Emperor of the Galein ten oh five. So he went
up to Armah into the into thesame it was the same Patrick, same
Patrick. Yeah, Chapel it wasn'tthe cathedral at the time, twenty ounces

(54:12):
of gold and the altar, andhe was announced as Emperor of the Gael
by the bishop there, like itwas a huge political statement, and he
was buried there later as well,you know, when he died, he
was buried there. I'm going togo up there now actually in April for
for a tour. But that wasthat's what he was. He was marrying
church and state. I know,all of that is a horrible kind of
an idea nowadays, but in thistime, it was all new, and

(54:36):
there was almost this sense of likebuilding a kind of a small little empire,
you know, so it'd be moreintact, like you know, because
of course the Roman Empire, theempire, the emperors would have been a
huge inspiration for him as well,you know, so well, I mean,
let's that's what drew me to hisstory. Like he was different,
you know, he was different,but he understood, he kind of understood

(54:57):
building a brand in underneath that onetoo, because he's like, well,
like, you can't rock up herebeing a nobody, and nobody's going to
believe in nobody. They want somebodythey can follow, So of course,
you know, he goes up,rocks up with the money goes all right,
look, let's put this, let'smake this legitimate, do you know,
because yes, your average fell onthe street, your average you know
you you know you're average small Isay street, but you know what I
mean, your average small time nookis going to say, they're going to

(55:21):
need the guy. What does hehave? Well, I don't know.
I mean he's got great here myour actual guys. Actually the king of
the Gails. Right, That's that'seasier to follow than anything else, do
you know, because it's a goodexactly, it's a brand. It's a
brand, it's a title as thebrand. Whether he believed or not,
he understood. He understood what youknow, selling, Selling the notion to

(55:42):
people is first, and it waslegitimates. It was a kind of a
new era because this is what weall educated me on. It is like
the Nails had their tradition and culturewhich only went back a couple of hundred
years. This is the thing whereit's like they kind of started that whole
thing, but that whole thing waskind of not working after a while,
you know what I mean? Andafter six hundred years he would beg to

(56:02):
differ, but like for me,this was the new era in high kingship
where it actually meant where you were, you were actually king of the whole
place and the thing that separated fromeverybody else's. Well, he didn't separate
them from everybody else. But whatmade him unique was he was making political
alliances with all these guys. Therewas guys, and they just kept rebelling

(56:25):
and kept rebelling and kept rebelling,and he kept subduing them and marrying the
daughters and then was like just kepttrying to make these alliances with them.
You know, he never slaughtered theseguys. It was only one time he
did that in these early years wherethe guys that killed his older brother,
the Limerick fightings, he went outto Scattery Island and he just slaughtered them,
like you know. That was theonly time he did that. For

(56:45):
the rest of his life. Itwas all political, political alliances, you
know, and building building building likeyou know, which, as you said,
kind of unheard of at the time. You just beat somebody into submission.
Back in the day, you know, we're going to war, simple
as that, whether it's between twoparishes or whatever. Y. Yeah,
very very in smart bloke like andit isn't off the ground. He liked

(57:07):
it. He must have done somesort of it's just studying how they did
it, as you said, likewe like to think the people back then
they were just all in trees.No, No, there was, there
was. There was huge education.The managed the monastery. We're a center
of learning for for for potentially Milenniawith the Druids as well. And he

(57:29):
was he was certainly educated in clonMcnoi's were probably in English Valin as well
or in English Falin. Perhaps itcould have been our primary school kind of
education one island and then moved onto the other island, right, I
don't know how that works. Yeah, perhaps, Like so his education would
have been a noble, noble education. And the monks there were different.

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They weren't like what we think ofchrist. They were there. They were
like old school warrior kind of Celtic, kind of Christian Gaelic. You know,
they were like you know what Imean, they were like, yeah,
yeah, living on islands and teachingthem. But Alexander the Great and
Charlemagne and stuff like that, theywere educated people, you know. So
he would have been educated in thatkind of from a very early age.

(58:12):
So he was inspired by those folks, you know. And it is interesting,
you say, like, you know, it just popped into my head,
But I was I wanted to askyou anyway because the amount of different
things I've asked people on and itcan never give me any definitive answer.
And I know when we were speakingon the phone the other day we were
talking, my question to you was, what Jesus Christ, they talk all
day long about all these things likego Beckley, Tepean Turkey or the Egyptian

(58:36):
pyramids? Are you know Quetzequatl inMexico and stuff like that, how are
we not here? And everyson oftenyou hear all, well, there's new
gridge, it's new grid. It'svery very old. But oh, which
you are very very old. It'sfucking ancient, man, It's yea.
It is way like beyond probably ourcambri engine. Really how possibly old it

(58:58):
is and its own technology with theway you can operate with the summer sols
that's like and the winter and theycan't be I think someone said that they
still don't know how to build theinside of it because it's never leaked in
five thousand years. Yeah, yeah, and that that alone is just incredible.
And when they started the five thousandmark, for me, I'm like,

(59:19):
where did you get you know?And they said, when we carbon
you know, they carbon dated someof the timbers that they were like,
fuck off timbers. That timber couldbe five thousand years after I think was
built, you know what I mean? Like, who knows how I mean?
The they we got, we gotdeep into it. One time we
were talking about it was on anotherpodcast and it was talking about the you
know, the the pyramids and stuff. We were, well, they're apparently

(59:40):
on a huge scale around the Earth. And we were and one of the
lads who is we were in Mayoand we're talking about one of the lads
is from Mayo. Have you everlooked at grog Patrick? I was like,
if if you can stand back farenough, it is almost perfect in
the way of a pyramid, Likeit doesn't stand like a normal amountain.
Yeah, you know what I mean. They were like, well, you
know, was this another one ofthese things and this is where I mean,

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this is probably getting a way outof your remit in a sense.
But how like the kapos off atyou know whatever they have captas off as
like what they reckon, we're hereonly ten thousand years? How long do
you reckon? We're here on thisisland there? I was talking about this
in another stream. No, thereis there is activity up to about thirty

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three thousand years ago, but thatwas more migrationary kind of things, because
we're all kind of there was therewas, it was just different. Apparently
it was different where there was landbridges and stuff. Right, Yes,
but I think like in problems ofactual settlements, I think it's up to
about twelve thousand years ago in theNorth. I know for in in in
the it's either between ten and twelveup in the North, and then in

(01:00:45):
carried Ferretter's coved six and a halfthousand years ago. But you see,
that's what they found. Yeah,that's what they found. Like so they
haven't and actually they've been. They'vefound navigating lots of navigation evidence of six
thousand years ago is boats down downin that same area. Okay, so

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people think like people people think like, you know, we're just we're just
like you know, the same Brendanstory sounds ridiculous as he just went from
the islands over to Newfoinland because itwas in five hundred eighty or whatever.
But we've been navigating. There's beennavigation for thousands and thousands of years before
Brindin. Yeah, you know whatI mean. So it's like, you
know, people, I think themainstream history all is kind of, as

(01:01:29):
you say, cuts us up.It kind of puts a limit on what
we are, like oh yeah,well, I mean one minute where you
know, we're just hunter gatherers andthe next minute we're building New Grange.
You're like, and they still don'tknow how they build new That's where it
just we get this glass overthink andlike you talked about them trying to wipe
out finish our Irish history for thejunior start that time, like yeah,

(01:01:53):
one second, yeah, I meanoh no, ice forward, Ice forward,
don't be worried about Yeah yeah,yeah what I went down over there,
now, don't that won't help youone bit? You know, Yeah,
I mean surely with the amount ofand this not to draw you down
any conspiracy rabbit holes orthing like that, but surely, I mean it must
bend your brain when you start,when you've done this series digging, how

(01:02:19):
is this not on every street corner? Like, how is this? You
know? Yeah, well it's it'sit's I think I think a lot of
people are dislike a lot of mywork is kind of trying to connect people
with the ancient stories in a sensethat like just connect with them, you
know, on a deep level.If it kind of connects with when you
get something from it, that's actuallyreal win because I think what that does

(01:02:42):
kind of unlocks this kind of curiosity, you know, for for our ancient
history. And then because I thinkpersonally after a lot of research, and
I think it doesn't really it doesn'treally you don't need that much research,
but it actually is backed up byby quite a bit of research. Is
that there's been a serious, seriouscampaign for a very long time to destroy

(01:03:05):
the Irish you know, yeah,on a on a real soul, DNA,
language, cultural, traditional level.Like it hasn't worked, but there
has been there has been a huge, you know campaign to do that.
And I think that's where we fallas as as as a nation, is
that as people, is that it'snot our fault. We're victims of it,

(01:03:29):
Like is that we're carrying that kindof like you know, don't look
we can't keep we can't look backbecause you know, the colonizers and the
masters are watching like yeah, youknow, but that yeah, you know,
so like we're called we're all messedup about it, like you know,
we can't. It's it's all inmythology for fox sake. No,
But one second, like there's lotsof people out there study this. This

(01:03:51):
is the oral histories of Ireland.You know what that means. It means
that it was passed down from generationto generation and the Christian White wrote it
in their version of it. Butbefore that it was a history, you
know. So people like they justcan't compute. It's like, oh,
no, mythology means lies. No, mythology means it's not true. So

(01:04:11):
what you're saying is what people thatlogic will lead you to, is that
so Christianity was basically the beginning ofhistory. That's why people are missing it,
you know what I mean, it'sthe beginning of history. The Christians
wrote it down and that's when everythingstarted, you know. You know,
but there was this whole huge thousandsof years of culture and heritage and all
these sites being built royal sites,not just New Grange, it's all these

(01:04:34):
other royal sites. Of course,yes, add them to their World Heritage
list and it's like there's all thisstuff going on here, you know,
so it's like trying to connect usto that in in through these stories and
through these kind of you know,these videos or whatever. It's important and
it's actually I think there is asleeping giant bin kind of woken up.

(01:04:57):
I think I think so yeah,yeah, yeah. People are becoming more
suspicious actually in a good way.Like we're talking about now, it's like,
the fuck is going on? Likeyou know, this is not adding
no, but that's like and ifanybody's even listened to this and going and
sometimes the brain won't make the connection. You just listen. You'll just watch
or listen to this for entertainment valueor see your videos for entertainment value.

(01:05:19):
But you're a lot of the timeit's only because I'm a cynical bastard as
a comedian anyway you are, andI always go hold on second now,
And it took my brain maybe tenof your videos or ten, you know,
of thinking going right, why don'tI know this? Why do I
know stupid shit? Why do Iknow stupid shit that will never you know,

(01:05:42):
why don't I know any of thisstuff? Like this is far more
entertaining from a factual point of view, why don't I know it? And
then as you say, like acourse, it wasn't the first country to
colonize them white clear, you knowwhat I mean. The Aborigines will buy
their fingernails or hanging on to theiractually you know what I mean, exactly
exactly, Like there's one one exampleof just just the real disconnect. And

(01:06:05):
this this might this might resonate withsome people, but my own hometown tree,
which is that the Gaelic is calledTrolley the beach of the river Lee.
Basically for everybody, pretty much everybodyin truly including myself, has this
thing in our head that truly startedwith the Anglo Normans, right, the

(01:06:25):
towns started with the angle Normans werebasically from the third around the thirteenth century
onwards. That's basically truly. Yeah, right, that's not true. The
name Trly actually is goes way wayfurther back, and there was these Gaelic
settlements already there. So the angleNormans came along, saw the Gaelic settlements,

(01:06:46):
and of course we we put weput up a fight, but they
couldn't handle the Anglo Normans. Theangle Normans just put on their flag wiped
out the kind of hill forts andstuff that was there and just you know,
started their town. But actual trulynot the town, but the truly
settlement is far older, you know. So like that's so like being from

(01:07:09):
true we're kind of we're all ouridentity is kind of built up. The
museum even goes into it goes backto the Angle Norman and it comes forward
where our identity kind of comes fromthat. But really our actual town,
the settlement itself goes way back andleast way before them. And there's all
these origin stories about Trely, likeit's there's even this connection to a Selki

(01:07:32):
in everything that nobody knows about.It's actually on Wikipedia. There's a there's
a folklore story that nobody knows about. It's connected to a guy that married
a Selki. You know, there'sthis old folk tale that's yeah, it's
mad stuff. So like this isthis is my point, is that there
is this thing in us, likethis DNA code, like and I think

(01:07:54):
that these this ancient history is kindof locked in us, but we're kind
of up on a superficial level,the conscious level. There's all this other,
this identity that's kind of being putinto us like an education level,
and we're just kind of like okay, going around the place NPC mode like
with this information, you know,but really there's something else under us,

(01:08:14):
and I actually think it shows itself, especially in these kind of things where
you have the BBC kind of reporterasking Killian Murphy if he wins the Oscar
Like you know, it's like,this is about the Irish. You're all
winning these awards all of a suddenlike she like she just woke up yesterday,
like you know, you know,it's like, what is it about
the Irish? Because there's there's Paulmescal at the moment, there's Barry Ce,

(01:08:36):
and there's there's you know, KillianMurphy, there's Sira Schewon, and
there's all these there's a huge amountof these young Irish actors and they're they're
basically cleaning up all around them,like you know, and then they're all
waking up to these this Irish thing. What's happening here? Yeah, these
with these people like you know,and it's like, because we're storytellers,
but this is who we are,we're and that leg goes all the way

(01:08:58):
back to our old history of Ireland. That's what we used to do.
We used to kind of recite poetryin the courts of the kings and the
queens like you know, this isyou know, the Philly Shannon que used
to come in and tell the wholehistory of those people, you know,
you know every night, like youknow what I mean, or at least
a couple of nights a week orwhatever. And that's who we are at
a DNA level. And you know, you see it when we go abroad

(01:09:21):
as stand ups, we say wego to the likes of the festivals and
stuff like that, you know,and you see other comics, mother,
here come the Irish. That's it. Yes, yes, it's a great
point in comics as well, becausethey because they know, they know what
happens. If they like when it'slike say the Free Festival in Edinburgh,
thousands of shows on that during theday. But if people national people are

(01:09:44):
just wandering around, go I'd loveto see a couple of shows today.
And that's a lot of times noteven take it to it's just pay I
mean you exit the door or whatever, or even take it. You will
find the Irish lads. If there'seven a mention of it on the post
or mention of it anywhere on thelisting. The English lads know the sky,
you know, they're like ship becausepeople just go, oh, well,
it's going to be enjoyable because theyjust have a way. It's in

(01:10:08):
their cores, in their DNA.Even if they you know, if they
don't have if they're not built upyet enough to have built up enough of
material, there'll be something we enjoyabout it regardless, because it'll be there's
there's a there's a charm, andthere's a gift of the gap, and
there's this natural energy. Because Iwatched some of your stuff, Tom,
You're excellent as well, good greatstoryteller. And I love when comics are

(01:10:29):
kind of it's not based on it'snot based on the joke the jokes like,
it's based on the actual context ofthe story. That's the one point
I love that kind of comedy.You know. Yeah, I mean,
to my own failing, I probablydon't do enough of the relatable. So
you know the way when your wifeand I just I just don't have it
in me. But people do loveseeing that and they go, God,
this gas. I know when I'mwith my wife and he's saying and I

(01:10:50):
just can't do that shit. I'mlike, no, no, it doesn't,
but it is. It's funny thatyou said that about the actions you
see when like there's you're, there'sYou'll get a gig based on being irish
almost anywhere in the world because ofpurely and I'm like, no, no,
we're but it's not. It is. It is a meritocracy. I've

(01:11:11):
see. I've gigged around the worldand I've seen the standard, the mean
standard. Will say short a shitright, no doubt, but I've seen
the mean standard, and a standardis very high, very high here per
head of capita in the mount inthe comics, like you just see the
standard is strong. You're like,oh, you know a start, beginning,
middle and end. You know therule of three, you know.
And this comes naturally to people whojust listen to an alpha telling them a

(01:11:32):
story one time. You know,you just know it, you know.
And I mean some I've done.I've done a great podcast you'll you'll actually
like. And they're two good mates. They're funny lads, but it's brilliant
the effort they put into you tieinto day called Monster Fuss podcast. The
lads are based blowing Wexford and theydo I did one with them. I

(01:11:54):
think did I do the Selki?I think I think I did the Selkie
with them and they picked monsters andyou know, from the world folklore,
monsters from around the world, andthey'll do a full, full episode on
it. But the last oh you'dlove it. But the Selky one was
one as soon as you said,Jesus, yes we did. We did
the self. I's not talked aboutthat much, really, the Selke in
Ireland. You know, it's weird, it's kind of it's it's not that

(01:12:15):
common that, you know, whenyou talk about mythology and folklore, like
self doesn't come up that often,you know, but it's it's quite big.
Like I remember on the same one, we just we got off a
topic and it was it's guys talkingabout Irish folklore. And then I said,
well, this is perfect. I'mtalking to you because the following week,
myself and a friend of mine wedo a sporadic podcast called The Tom

(01:12:38):
and Jerry Show, and we pickedsaid subjects. Now, the subject could
be Bertie Brosen this week and we'lldo your life story, right, so
somebody of interest. So we did, like Fred Dibbing at one time we
just did random things. We pickedpish Oaks, a whole whole episode of
and it's like, if you seea whistling woman in the morning, she's
whistling to herself, turn around andgo home because your day is fucked.

(01:12:59):
Your day as fucked. It's theworst. Worst if she's and if she's
red haired and whistling, that's it. Stop at home. Wow. I
love that kind of Yeah, jumpback into bed because it's rude. And
I asked my mother. I waslike, great gray for these kind of
things. She was talking about thewhistling woman and stuff. She goes,
Wait, which where when she movedhere first from kill Kenny, there was
a great guy. Derby was hisname. What a great name, an

(01:13:21):
old guy, Like all day long, this guy would he was reciting like,
well, we're basically three hundred yearold stories and he was able to
run all the way back with thesestories and incredible. He'd have people enthralled.
They wouldn't have touched their drink becausethey're just leaning over. And I
remember meeting him and I was like, oh, so this is all passing

(01:13:43):
through you. That's why comedy here, especially when we live comedy and even
storytelling. Nobody, Like I noticed, gossip doesn't really spin that too well
around here because nobody really gives aship. But if you got a good
story, that's currency. There's nopoint because nobody gives a shit. What
I've known is like like the oldguys who you know, people who talk
about the weather's like, oh fuck, I couldn't be less more bored.

(01:14:05):
But if you have a story,if you have something to say of it,
hey you know what's class? Heydid you ever think you know?
And you're immediately you're like, oh, that's a currency, and ad buys
you something. In that moment,you know, you're like, hm,
as I tell you about the youknow, and there there must be a
start, middling end, there mustbe a start middling end. So it
comes from somewhere, do you know? That's we Definitely We're definitely unique in

(01:14:28):
that sense, I think anyway.You know, obviously I don't know huge
amounts about like all the cultures inthe world. Definitely the Anglo kind of
file countries, you know, Irelanddoes we just do stories good? Like
I was even thinking about how Imet up with a friend or you're on
it was just back and forth stories, story stories, stories like you know,
no, that's that. Other culturesprobably do that as well, but

(01:14:50):
there is something about our storytellingique.There's some boring bastards there. Definitely there,
definitely is there. Definitely is whatI mean. And I don't I
drop a name, but I rememberbeating. I was just flabbergasted by meeting
and he was such a nice guy. Was Joe Wicks, you know,
the kids kind of fitness guy.To see him, he got huge,

(01:15:13):
terribly nice human. Yeah, likeit was like talking to a goose,
do you know what I mean.It was like, oh, oh,
there's nothing in there at all allbut loveliness. Really yeah, but he
was like, I just love Orland. You guys just not have to laugh.
Oh yeah, yeah that kind ofcrack. Yeah, yeah, I've
seen it. I've seen I've seenlike they they have they have like to

(01:15:35):
drink minimums in some bars in countriesbecause they'll sit around all and just look
at each other over one drink.You know, an Irish person could go
into a bar by themselves and stillmake a friend, or still talk to
somebody, or still have a goodtime. I've seen this in gigging around
the world, where you'll see likefive of them sitting around going, that's
why comedy does so well in alot of other countries because people because these

(01:15:57):
groups of friends go, we've gotfucking nothing to say to each other,
so let's go watch somebody talk professionally. That's fascinating. Like it doesn't as
well here as it should stand up, it should be doing better, but
people here go, well, I'mfucking interesting too, so you know,
how interesting could that guy be?It's all right, but other nations,
that's a great point. It's it'sa great point. Actually I never thought
about that, and in that wayin terms of like why isn't comedy doing

(01:16:19):
like more popular, you know,because if you go to random towns in
Ireland, like how often is therea comedy show on that? Yeah?
Rare? Yeah, yeah, likerare, like you know, rare yeah.
And in America, I don't knowif you watch Kill Tony, but
I'm a big fan Kill Tony yeahand Liken you hear, like where all
the people are coming from from Americaand they're all doing their their comedy in

(01:16:40):
their hometowns, like even though itmight be small, but like they're still
doing their comedy, like you know, but that's not the case. That's
not the case here, Like it'snot the case here starting I started the
comedy club here and when, andit's going thankfully because of all the things
that garnered over fifteen years of whatmakes a club of the club. I
mean moving the degree the room fifteendegrees, like just moving a fifteen degrees.

(01:17:00):
Yeah, I mean they don't realizeit, but like, oh I'm
enjoying this more. You can seeit in people, but things like that,
And now it's going really well.But it's a once a month,
like it's a small town too.But meeting people now who are like for
the first couple of months on theirarms folded jacket on for the first half.
I'm coming in now where funky shirt'sgone. Hey, you know,
you know they're comedy people now andthey're like one of them. I'm delighted

(01:17:23):
to hand over the evening's talk tothis person or these people, and I
trust that you'll do a great job. And these are people that have never
thought about the spoken word before.They've never thought about Yeah, they were
just going, yeah, nobody evertold us that there was a spoken word.
Do you know what? Should wenot just all just go look it

(01:17:43):
Yeah, in recent years, I'vebecome a massive comedy fan, Like,
you know, like I really likeI watch a lot of comedy now,
like compared to say, like evenI used to be a huge film buff
like that, don't watch as manyfilms. I'm watching a lot of comedy
now. I really love the artform. I really, you know,
it's I think it's it's incredible.Like I think comedians have a really huge

(01:18:06):
like it's almost like you know,in terms of like say, going back
even to the courts of the kingsand stuff like that, like a comedian
or a gesture or whatever way youwant to put it back in those times,
I would it's a huge function insociety. Comedians they provide a few
huge kind of cathartic you know,you know, just saying the stuff that
we all kind of it's all kindof swimming around in our heads. We

(01:18:29):
don't know quite how to actually sayit without being kind of canceled, like
you know, you know, andcomedians provide that for us, like you
know, almost like a movie providesa way to feel you know, drama,
tragedy, comedy, a comedian providessomething a release like you know,
it's it's amazing, and I thinkcomedy it said a lot. And to

(01:18:51):
kill Tony like, you know,comedy, comedy, get up on the
stage. And now I haven't donethis, but to get up on the
stage. I have done theater andtough stuff like that, but to get
up in stage and bomb and todo a bit of comedy, yeah,
it's it's it's just incredibly courageous.And I'm not saying that just the sound
look, because he can be median. I know by being on stage.

(01:19:12):
I know if I went up witha mic and started telling jokes and nobody
was laughing, I know the feelingthat I would get, you know,
I just can, I can,I can feel it like you know,
yeah, nothing makes sense, Yeah, nothing makes sense. But I mean
I remember talking with Katherine Lynch onetime and we were having a real kind
of really deep introspective look at standup and stuff like that, because she'd

(01:19:33):
be more of an acting comedian thanshe was. But she was saying,
when we must exist and this canceledculture was starting to come up at the
time, you know, and theywere talking about you know, yeah,
freedom of speech and and stuff,and I was she was pushing for why
why isn't stand up recognized as anart form? Because it's not. It's
not recognized as an art form inIreland as well as clear barkers. Yeah,
they won't, they never will,they never will. How could you

(01:19:55):
possibly put give me money to gotell jokes where I might rinse the politician
that gave me the money? Doyou know what I mean? It can
and I have free speed, Sokeep their money, but never take our
free speech because we are a necessarypunch. We must punch up for the
general public. Now that's not givingmyself a pat in the back of anyone's
We still tell dick jokes, youknow, for people. Yeah, no,

(01:20:18):
listen, I hear, you hear. But the day that you cancel
stand up is so like ludriically important, like because again the gesture in the
court is supposed to be it's likeyou're the verbal ambutsman between the regular folk,
and you're not allowed to touch us. You're not allowed to touch us
either. We're here to make funof all of us, including ourselves.
Hence why I'm dressed like they did. And I will be punching myself and

(01:20:42):
punching up and punching down to makeit all to find balance, the ombudsman,
the verbal amusment between everybody yes,yes, and there's a filass advising
as well. Although like can becrude and it can be you know,
simplistic, there is a kind ofmaking sense of things. I don't know
if you've ever kind of all aboutlike it kind of it helps us to
kind of you know, it's almosttherapeutic in a way, you know,

(01:21:05):
you know, because I actually listenedto comedians actually into like interviewing and things
like that. I find lou Iknow, Louis c K had a huge
weird stuff going on with him,but I find him fascinating. Like I
listened genius. He's a genius,and I listened to him. And then
this Shane Gillis they did himself andShane Gillis did a kind of president podcast

(01:21:26):
and he's and I think Louis knowsit and he's sitting up to another genius
in terms of comedy. But theseguys like they're there mind, they're they're
the intellect as well. It's notjust their comedy but their intellect. And
there's something there's something about these people, like you know what I mean,
and in fact, like as youknow, comedians are great actors as well,

(01:21:47):
so there is there is this sideto them as well. You know,
it's fascinating And I actually always thoughtlike, if I'm ever in America,
I'd love to sign up for kiltnylike and just go go up on
the stage. Now, I knowit's probably not a thing to do in
terms of just going up and takinga real comedian's time, but there is
that kind of almost like you know, having a my time fight for the
sake of being in the ring andjust having a yeah fight, like just

(01:22:10):
going up and on the stage andbombing or doing well, like just just
to do it like an experience itLike I think it's I think there's a
liberation to it, you know.And I and the thing that I find
fascinating about comedians and comedy that bombingis a part of the journey. Of
course, I think that's fascinating.Yeah, yeah, of course, I
mean, you like anything, Imean, I guess, like a pro

(01:22:31):
motorbike cyclist, you know, whenyou come off, you come off differently
when you're you know, you knowhow to come off a bike. Like,
you know, there'll be times whenI'm when I'm building a new show,
like I will be very very soonand I'm going with this could be
ship, but it's got to it'sgot to be said. And you'll often
find the audience aren't They're trying togo with you, but you're like,
that's this is fucking dreadful shit,isn't it, and they'll laugh along.

(01:22:54):
God. Yeah, So you walkaway from it at that point. I
mean, you know, if you'regoing club and for some who's paying you,
you know, it would be remissiveyou to go out and die in
your own do you know if theyhere listen, you got to do a
good job here. Don't be bringingany of that new ship. Do your
new shit in the open mics duringthe week, you know what I mean.
And that's how you go about yourbusiness. Then, Like, but
for the first yes, three yearsat least, you haven't a clue what

(01:23:16):
you're doing. I still don't.I know more now than I did last
year. I guarantee you next yeari'll know far more again. Or yes,
like that, like you know itwas yeah, and that's just but
yeah, the first couple of yearsyou are dying. You're dying every third
gig. And yeah, and howabout Tommy Tierning because I've always I've always
like thought of him as being kindof plucked out of like a potentially out

(01:23:41):
of a thousand years ago as well. He's like, he just seems very
deep like and you know, he'slike there's something about him that I find
it's fascinating. You know, he'skind of again to come back to the
philosophy thing. And I've watched himlive as well, and you know,
and the fact that he does thatthe interviewing style that he has on that
show that he does, I don'twatch it that often now, but I
find him like he's not just acomedian. There's something he's a traditional storyteller,

(01:24:09):
like, you know, he isunbelievable. He was given great license
to go wandering with his art formback in the day, which you don't
nearly get anymore. No. Nowthey it's like everything they want. You
want fast food, you want fastest, You need to turn around the TV
show. Now you need this thisthis Tiernan blew up Early Doors from a

(01:24:29):
very like he was very very goodcomic. I mean he won the Perrier
Award and everything like, but hehe was nearly given a license to go
off and wander the insides of hishead whereas you know what I mean,
and then that developed do you seeit early doors he's kind of there was
a few comics at the time kindof doing a similar thing, like Dylan
Morn was a bit a bit waftyand stuff like that, but his thing
was you know, I'm drunk,you know. But it was brilliantly done

(01:24:51):
as well, But there was kindof this waft ting kind of early nineties
comedian was like, you know,and they all dressed like Morrissey and stuff
was like, well maybe if Ithink more, and it just developed.
And being Irish of course helped.Like if he was British and doing that
style, nobody would buy it.Nobody would buy He'd have to be a

(01:25:11):
no character that people recognize, likeAl Murray's publand lord. He would have
to be that, you know whatI mean, You would have to be
a character. But because he wasIrish, he kind of looked a bit
lepre Coni with his fucking waistcoat on. Do you know, He's what people
could tolerate. And of course ontop of that being a brilliantly smart man
too. He understood what he was, what he looked like, how he
behaved, and then he could stretchhis legs. Like you watched Tearne how

(01:25:33):
many times. There's a rule ofthree. If you were to repeat something
three times, the three third timeis the heavy hitter. He'll do something.
He might repeat the things seven times. And this is these are just
rules, verbal rules. You Ifyou're giving three examples and you're thinking I'll
give a fourth, chances are you'llcrush your own joke because you've gone too
far and people's brains are dealt with. He'll do seven, maybe ten repetitions

(01:25:56):
of a word, and he'd pushit so hard and have such confidence because
he's done it for so long andwe've given such such leeway that by the
time he hits number ten, peopleare back roar and laughing again. Do
you know what I mean? It'sso he like he broke a lot of
boundaries. So it turned him intonearly a kind of a mystical whimsical yeah,
Bagan of a character. And heis a character, you know what

(01:26:17):
I mean? He is a characternow like you know where he's And of
course he gave the TV show whereit's deep and introspective, and of course
the producers push hard for the tearstoo, Like you know what I mean,
they do. Yeah, I don'twatch it that much, like but
if I get to see eclips andstuff. But there's something fascinat because I
know we're probably coming up close closeto time or whatever. But there was
one one thing that came to mind. We were talking about Tommy and also

(01:26:38):
I think they live more and Hectorfrom They were from the same all around
an aven direction. Yeah yeah,yeah, yeah, I'm nearly sure they
went to the same school or somethingweird like that, or same college or
something. But like the Mead areaand actually there there's a lot of actors
and writers and stuff, and especiallythey've come out of the meat area.

(01:26:58):
There's a load of them after comingout of the performers, loads of them.
There's loads of actors. There's Leenee Valgard. There is that other
guy that does all the Connor something, he does all the mimicry. He's
he's he's online. Yes, yeah, he's brilliant. Yes yeah, yes.
And then actually the kind of thesame top process now. And the
reason why I'm saying this is becausegoing back to the you know, like

(01:27:21):
the ancient Ireland and the locations andwhat there's something you know, there could
be something in the water, thesoil or something, because even in in
in in Kerry, there's North Kerry. There's a massive amount of writers that
have come out of North Kerry.We mentioned John B. K just before
we started, like John by Kaythe playwright, and then there was like

(01:27:41):
John Yarty the philosopher. Actually TommyTiernan did did an archie program with John
Moyarty. I'm going to everyone saidthe dog is one second. Yeah,
yeah, sorry, I rudely hadto stop there for a second because my
dog decided to want it in onthe podcast. But you're right. Even
as I was running after dog waslike, there is something ingrained in an

(01:28:04):
area that it will permeate through,like you know what I mean, it
does like great boxers come out ofMexico. You know it's for a reason,
like you know, it's there wasThere was this guy, the guy
called Pat Moore. There was apriest who was a lovely, lovely guy
who was friends with John Moriarty andJohn O. Dunna who was another writer
from North Kerry as well. Hewrote all those Celtic books. You know,

(01:28:27):
there's these really wonderful books that werevery popular. But then there's a
huge loads of poets and loads ofNorth Kerry. But Pat Moore had a
theory. He said, there's there'sthe biggest concentration of Holy Wells in North
Kerry, then there isn't the wholeIreland right now. We all know that
the Holy Wells were rebranded from theancient wells, yes, you know of
Ireland. So like there is thatthat aspect as well. It's just that

(01:28:50):
the idea of that alone, likethat there's this springing forth of creativity like
in North Kerry, like and there'sall these writers coming that and then the
idea of like Meade being the centerof Ireland, and there's this because it
was like a province of itself andthat it's been. It's the capital almost
the capital of the ancient Ireland,you know, and that that's kind of

(01:29:12):
bringing forward these performers and stuff andeven to this day in Ulster, like
the Gaelic football teams like you knowthat come down as hard as anything,
like you know what I mean,you know, and there's just this this
thing like about that, you know, and I think that's what the Ireland
is. It's like it's all thesedifferent areas and it produces, you know,
something similar to what it always hasin the past. Like you know,

(01:29:35):
so I like that idea of ofof Ireland kind of you know,
seeding these kind of characters like youknow what I mean that are kind of
just repeating themselves over the over themillennia, like you know exactly, and
they should starts, you know.And maybe, as you said, maybe
people are starting to get starting toreawaken now the more that they find these

(01:29:57):
stories out and how good they are. It's not that it's has been forced
down there. You know, weall have to learn stuff in school.
We were like, I couldn't carethat's about some German lad who is Jesus?
Yeah, but these are interesting,cool stories from our past, you
know what I mean. I thinkI think half the half the reason about
school as well as the teachers.There was never really a kind of like,

(01:30:23):
especially with a mythology in or folklore. There was never really a kind
of like a really like I can'tremember it anyway where there was a real
emphasis on these Irish characters and itwas like they were just a part of
the curriculum and it's just get itover and done with, like and it's
just like ash look, and itwas never really, there was never.
I never connected with it at thatage, and I should have because those

(01:30:43):
stories were being told to some extent, you know, some of those mythological
stories like but it just never connectedwith me that age. For some reason,
we got I was very lucky.We got visited by Oh God,
why can't I think of his surname, amazing man. You know him from
our childhood, long Beard Eddie Leddy. Yeah, yeah, he came to

(01:31:11):
our school and it was the man'svoice alone, and he's, oh,
he's amazing. Small kids. Youdon't know anything about performative art or what.
You don't know anything, and thisis just a bearded man sitting there
with glasses. Why would he beinterested? And I can remember every one
of us were glued to his wordsbecause he was so digging it, you
know what I mean, he wasdigging it. But that's an example of

(01:31:32):
like what you need to kind ofhave to kind of be inspired by the
stories. It's just some some sortof storytelling. So when the teachers are
doing it, they're just reading itout of the book like this Fionda,
and you're just not the samon ofknowledge. And it's just like but when
Eddie's telling us it's a different ballgame, different ball game. Yeah,

(01:31:53):
yeah, yeah, listen, I'vetaken up your whole evening. Thank you
so so much for coming on.Honestly I could. I know. Now
I'll go into the wife and shegoes She'll have a list that I didn't
ask you. This is what itmight be A part two purely sponsored by
my wife. Yeah, no problem, and look, hit me up anytime

(01:32:15):
DM if you ever wanted to kindof check up on anything. If I
can help you, I would like. So if you don't everybody Bertie Brosent
Films, it's very easy. TypeingBertie Brosent. You will not find another
one. But you have your ownpodcast as well, and what what does
what's the title of? So?Actually so no, I have a Patreon
and I do exclusive podcasts on myPatreon. But you know, but look,

(01:32:39):
in terms of actually checking out thestories that I've mentioned tonight, Bertie
Brasen on YouTube Bertie at Bertie Brasen, and you'll get everything on there.
I do have a free version ofmy patreot it's at Bertie Brasen Films as
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plus tax, like and you getlike, you know, there's a bond
of huge amount of stuff and I'mgoing to be adding a huge month in

(01:33:00):
the next month or two as wellwith my big tour of Ireland and all
the Brian Brew sites. So yeah, yeah, brilliant, brilliance up the
whole too. I mean, we'regoing to see a novella or a plate
or something. We're going to seesomething Brian related anywh aren't we. Yeah,
yeah, Brian Brew novella. It'sadapted from We didn't talk about the
film project, but I know,look it is what it is. Yeah,

(01:33:23):
the film project that was meant tohappen. There was investment involved,
but then it didn't happen, sowe're not making the project at the moment.
So I said, look, Ibuilt everybody up with this excitement because
it was happening. So then Isaid, you know what, I need
to do something with the ten toten anniversary of Brian Brew at the Battle
of Clontarffe coming up. I won'thave the novella ready by then, but

(01:33:45):
it will be soon afterwards. Andreleasing a documentary called Battle for Ireland on
my YouTube a week before the twentythird of April on my YouTube, which
is about the Battle of Clontarf,the Colination. I believe it was a
war for Ireland. Probably it's probablya better way of tightening it. So,
yeah, the novella will come out, but I just update it.
Like if you sign up to mymailing list, join my Patreon, just

(01:34:08):
follow me on social media, you'regonna see all the updates about the novella
and when it's going to come out. Yeah, Bertie, it's been an
absolute tree. Thank you so muchfor coming on, no problem. Thank
you so much, and my thanksagain to Bertie. That was class,
wasn't it. There was nearly fightingtalking everything there. I loved it.
I loved it. Has gone putup a flag outside, go off looking

(01:34:30):
at archaeological sites. Get out there, have a look the Irish arising by
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(01:34:50):
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