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Speaker 6 (06:01):
Some good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. And uh, it's actually
a beautiful afternoon. It's warmed up a little bit, it's
cleared up a little bit, so lord knows, there's a
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lot to talk about. Of course, I think we say
that every week, now, don't we. We seem to say
that every week there's a lot to talk about. Oh well,
I want to check with the board and make sure
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that I can be heard clearly. Eric, well, I know that,
but am I great?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You're better than great, You're perfect?
Speaker 9 (07:03):
All right?
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Thank you?
Speaker 9 (07:04):
She was.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I'm having trouble with my head, said, guys, that's why
it's like this. We talked about measles last week. So
I don't think I have anything to add about measles. Yeah,
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I don't think I'm going to add anything about measles
except to say that our chief of Health and Human
Services is digging in what can you say? This guy's
you know, this guy's weird. So my guest today is
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doctor Michael Blitz, Professor Emeritis at City University, New York,
John Jack College, and we have quite a quite a
dig into issues. Michael, how are.
Speaker 9 (08:11):
You hey, Eric, good to be here.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Let's dig in a little bit about the current Democratic
party leaders what's your overall thought about them?
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Well, overall thought about it? Particular if people were the
idea of democratic leadership at all?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Well, the way the current Democratic leadership is. I mean,
I could give you individual thoughts and I could give
you a centralized thought, and I'm not sure which is best.
Right now, you know, to to dig them apart or
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to just deal with them.
Speaker 9 (09:12):
Well, I think one interesting way to maybe to frame
the question is that obviously the Democratic Party is in
the minority in the House and the Senate, and so
one of the things that we're looking to the Democratic
leadership in general to do is to make the most
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of whatever possibilities of power they have, exercise whatever possibility
of power they may have. We know that the Democratic Party,
even even in the minorities, has certain authoritative rights to
make cases for things, to debate things, to oppose things,
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and we know that for the most part, there's been
unity in the Democratic Party in proposing beneficial programs for
America and in opposing programs that Trump slash Musk have
been trying to champion and muscle through. So we know
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they're trying to do the things that we would want
even a minority power force to do. The problem in
question that I guess we all face now is to
what extent can a sort of bandit party, which is
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the GOP led by Trump, prevent any possibility of exercise
of power by the minority party simply by ignoring them,
and as what we're seeing, and that is the question
that we should be asking is how is the Democratic
Party going to function when in fact most of what
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they're doing is being ignored or countermanded, and you have
people like Schumer doing some battle with Jeffries over you know,
a vote that Schumer took. So it's a very very
wobbly Democratic leadership right now. There are a few bright
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spots that you and I have talked about, and maybe
that's where we're headed here in discussion. Go on, Well,
I think the bright spots that in terms of people
at least walking walk to the extent they can are
people like Kim Jeffries and Cory Booker, Jasmine Crockett, Jamie
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raskin AOC is somebody that's I think re emerged as
an interesting broker.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Known as she had Jasmine Crockett in your notes. I
don't know who she is.
Speaker 10 (12:06):
Oh, well, the Jasmine Crockett is quickly becoming one of
the more outspoken and well researched, well prepared.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
I should say she is remarkable. She's you know, she's
a congresswoman. She represents I think parts of Dallas and
Tarrant counties in Texas. She has been you know, she's
one of the younger members of Congress. She's an attorney,
she's brilliant. She was elected in twenty twenty three, and
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she is rapidly rising as someone who is willing to
question the authority of the majority party GOP. And so
I think she's a rising star, probably eclipsing in many
ways people like AOC and Booker. So I think she's
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somebody to watch. And she, as I said before, she's
very outspoken, very courageous. But is she is she?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Is she briant?
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Is she?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You know?
Speaker 9 (13:18):
I think it's brilliant. I think she's brilliant. She's brilliant,
well read, she is. No, she's you know, knows the
law probably better than most members of the House. And
she's she challenges the various attempts by the GOP in
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the House too browbeat speakers, browbeat people that are at hearings.
She she steps up to defend Ukraine. She steps up
to defend aid packages for you know, various states that
are in need of excuse me, funds. She also was
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I think she was a big figure at the twenty
four or twenty twenty four Democratic National Convention. Excuse me.
She she actually showed photos of the FBI mar A
Lago's search. She showed these in the house when people
were claiming that there were no such documents being hidden
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in mar A Lago. She actually pulled out photos in
your house, and she point blank told Marjorie Tail, agreeing
that she was a liar to say that there were
no such no documents being held at mar A Lago.
I'm rambling a little bit just because I don't know
where to go with telling you who she is. But
she's an incredibly powerful young newcomer to the to the house,
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and I really think that she, along with the others
I named, are going to be some of the real
power brokers in an otherwise week in the party.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Yeah, well, I think that AOC will re emerge or
has re emerged. She's out of that hateful mode that
she was in, and that's tough for a lot of
us because because AOC was so vicious for so long.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
So anyway, I think what happens with you know we again,
You and I have discussed this many times, but neither
of us have been our lifelong fans necessarily BOC. But
I think when the younger Congress people are elected, they
need to establish they're just how distinctive they are for others,
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and AOC was in her way establishing herself, establishing her credentials,
creating the alliances that she was going to make. But
now she's much more seasoned, and I think what we're
starting to see is, you know, she's now kind of
grouped with a particular set of resistors, to use an
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electrical term, people that are outspokenly defying Trump's assessment of
the country and of the economy and of the political landscape.
She and Murphy Crockett is another one. And then you've
got Bernie Sanders on board. So you've got AOC and
Bernie Sanders, but you also have you know, Tim Wattson
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and Pritzker, two governors that are very much in their
camp as well, resisting the way Frump formulates the political
landscape of the United States. So it's good to see
that she's at least stepping up to articulate some of
the very real, not just abstract objections to Trump, but
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very real objections to his policies, his executive orders, his
cabinet choices. So I think she again, she's somebody who's
proving to be a bright spot in the democratic power structor.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I think that Cory Booker, who I have had the
privilege of having a couple of small lunches with. He's
a very bright guy. My big, my biggest, my biggest
complaint about him is that he's a vegetarian.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I think Booker has proven himself to be also a strong,
outspoken advocate for democratic principles. There's a relationship that I
think we need to keep our eyes on in the
coming months, and that is the one between Hakeing Jeffreys
and Chuck Schumer. I think that's a complicated relationship, made
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more complicated recently by Schumer's his support for the gop
spending bill that just about every I think all but
one House Democrat voted against, and then when it went
to the Senate, to everybody's surprised, Schumer supported it, claiming
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that it was one of the ways that that to
not support it would play into Trump's hand because it
would cause or potentially cause a government shutdown to not
have approval on that.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
But Jeffrey, you know, you know, there's a think about
this for a minute. If the government shut down on
the Democrats, watch right, Democrats get to blame. If the
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governments shut down on the Republicans, watch, we would get
to blame. So either way, we would get to blame.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
That's right, that's right. So that that is one of
the arguments I think Jeffries has made to Schumer in private,
which is now sort of leaking into the public, that
there needs to be, according to Jeffreys, much better coordination
between the Senate and the House, and in the Democrats
of the Senate and the Democrats of the House, because
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Schumer's rationale for supporting that bill, if in fact it's
mainly to help avoid a shutdown, which for which the
Democrats would be blamed, Jeffrey's position is your what you
just articulated with is we're going to get blamed no
matter what. The point is that we need to oppose
these spending bills from the get go. Otherwise this is
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a slippery slope. And these are terrible, terrible spending bills
that the GOP has proposed. So to begin to if
the reason to support one of them is to prevent
bill will against the Democratic Party. It's already a failure.
There's already enough ill will. Jeffries is now not Jeffries,
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but a lot of the House Democrats have started to
call for humor to step down at a Senate an
army leader. And actually I think Jeffreys caucus and general
members of his caucus have started to talk about how
AOC should run for the Senate in twenty twenty eight
and challenge Schumer. I don't know if Schumer will still
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be Senator in twenty twenty eight. Who knows. And there's
plenty of people that are in the Democratic Party that
are angry at I know that Glenn Ivy from Maryland
has spoken out pretty aggressively, and I think he was
being a little bit tongue in cheap, but he said,
when Trump texts you thanking you for your vote, when
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he texts the Democrats thanking them for their vote, which
he did with Schumor, you know you're in bad you
know you're on bad ground. And that's what happened is
that Trump texted Schumer and said thanks for the vote
of support for the spending bill, and that led to
some serious conversations with Jeffries and Schumer. So I think
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that's going to be a relationship to watch. It's an
important relationship. Jeffries is absolutely a vital number of Congress.
Schumer's role may now start to be eroding a little bit.
You know, his power circle may be eroding a little bit,
and that's something that's a cost for concern unless someone
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fills that vacuum.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
I think they should bring Judge Judy in.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Ye. I don't let it teem be worse. I was
curious what you thought about currently about Jamie Raskin's role
in all this.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Jamie Rasky. Raskin is one of the most brilliant legal
scholars that I think I've ever seen in Congress, and
they should be using him, and they should have used
him more. The problem is you go up, you go
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from you know, from Pelosi too, you know, to a youngster,
and it changes. But I mean Pelosi, you know, Pelosi
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knew everything about everything that was going h I mean seriously, Well,
I'll let you muddle over the following. What do you
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think about the fact that the judges are ruling so
heavily against King Donnie and Prince Elan.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
I guess it may seem like they're ruling heavily against them,
because any of them are ruling at all against them,
and so it's sort of surprising. The case that I'm
most interested in at the moment is the Boseberg ruling
that the court rather that the federal government can simply
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deport so called that is, wailing illegals without due process,
and that Trump has refused to comply with that court order,
which Jamie Raskin, speaking of Jamie Raskin has come out
and said as a massive constitutional violation. And one of
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the things about that case I think that interests me
most is that, at the very least, what Boseberg was
looking for in his ruling, you can't just do this
is one thing to make sure that these were the
right people. It's one thing to want to deport violent
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illegal immigrants, you know, if that's the claim. But it
wasn't clear whether these were even people that were presenting
any problem. It wasn't clear whether they were in fact
illegal immigrants at all, or whether they were you know,
legal residents or citizens, and so they were simply rounded
up and deported through Salvador back to Venezuela. And Judge
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Bosberg's point was number one, there was no due process.
There was no you know, no legal scrutiny at all
of this, and that that again I'm sorry to use
the term again, but that's that's a slippery slope, because
that's the beginning of deportations at will, at the at
the you know, will of the leader of the And
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so Trump's Trump's justification for this or his or his defensiveness,
I should say, was invoking the Alien Enemies Act, you know, yeah,
hundreds of seventeen ninety eight, you know. So we're talking
about something. And it was used in World War Two
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because we were at war with Japan. And so when
that was invoked as an excuse for en camping the
Japanese prisoners of war, it was because we were at
war with Japan. We're not at war with Venezuela or
a Salvadora. We're not at war with countries that Trump
wants to deport people to. And so to invoke the
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Alien Enemies Act has one purpose only, which is it
has nothing to do with legal justification. It has to
do with inflaming the Now I'll be more politically incorrect
and flaming than you know, the political idiots of the
country or the just the idiots of the country who
are terrified of anybody that isn't you know, white English speaking,
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you know, natural so called natural bored and citizen. They're
so afraid and that the Alien Enemies Act by its
very name evokes terror, and so that's why it's being used,
because it taps into people's fear that there are all
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these horrible criminals and violent criminals running around, when in fact,
statistically there aren't. The data is there is data that
shows that this is not a huge problem of violent
illegal immigration. And these deportations are scary because they're kind
of at the will of Trump and Musk apparently.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Well, and worse than that, you're kind of at the
will of these these these agents, right, you know, if
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you follow me, they're kind of at the will of
these agents.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Well, these agents have certainly been given carte blanche by
Trump and Musk, and I'll keep saying them in the
same breath because they are in the same breath. The
agents have been given the you know, the green light
to make independent decisions about you know, who to detain,
who to you know, bring in for so called questioning,
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and who to ultimately report. And when you it's like
shooting first, asking questions later. Now we're deporting first and
asking questions later, if we ask them at all. And
that's what that was what that's what judge Bosberg was
was ruling about and so that's that's one of the
cases that to go back to your question about cases
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being ruled in uh Trump and the Elon And I
guess after your break, which I know is coming up,
we can say a word or two about Justice Chief
Justice Roberts recent remarks with regard to Trump and Trump's policies.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Okay, well, yeah, this issue of leadership in the Democratic
Party bothers me because within our own circle, all right,
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within our own circle, these guys are fighting the hell
out of each other.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
Yeah, and I I know that we're going to talk
about where I hope to about what whether it's possible
to regain power, either as in the form of you know, election,
real election to a majority in either neither of the
parts of Congress, but also what you do when you're
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in the minority, and what kinds of exercises of power
are available, if any, and what strategies are available. And
you know, that's something I'm looking forward to taking up
with you.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Okay, well, listen, my friend. This is Eric Bauman, host
of the Uncommon Sense Democrat right here in NBC Radio CASEAA,
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Welcome back, wadies and gentlemen. This is Eric Paumanos to
the uncommon Sense Democrat right here on NBC Radio gazy AA.
I'm joined by doctor Michael Blitz, Professor Meredith from City
University of New York. And uh, we've got a packed agenda,
as we always do. Uh. We were just listening to
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commercial by about I regret how to say this a
commercial about taking I'll skip this because I have to
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think about I want to say anyhow, All right, what
do you think about the chaos in the Trump administration?
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Goes Musk's agenda, cabinet, pics, et cetera. How do you
fold that together?
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Well, you don't. The simple answer is you don't fold
them together. That traditionally you one wants to see government,
especially of the federal government, as a kind of cohesive
mess where you have you know, you have Congress, you
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have the President, you have the cabinet, who have the Judiciary,
and that somehow it all coheres in its lumpy, contentious ways.
But now you've hit it on the head. Now we
have this bizarre chaos, which I think is tactical in
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the sense that it doesn't allow anyone to see coherence anywhere.
In fact, it's sort of anti coherence, anti cohesiveness. You
have those that's supposedly, you know, the Department of Government
deficiency that has already proven to be both inefficient and misguided.
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It's Musk's little personal little playground, his Musk sandbox. And
essentially it's like a sub cabinet. And as you say,
the cabinet picks themselves reflect the kind of purposeful chaos
because none of it makes any sense. I mean, there's
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people say, oh, there's a clear agenda Trump is trying
to do this. There is not a clear agenda other
than Trump trying to fatten his own portfolio and trying
to reshape under the direction of both Musk and Putin,
trying to reshape a nation into a self serving corporate
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enterprise and power and power enterprise. So this chaos that
we're looking at, you know, it doesn't really it's not
going to come together. There's no way to fold it
together other than to say, I'm sorry to say this,
but we're just in big trouble if we allow the
chaos to keep us distracted from core issues and core
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projects that have to happen. And one example, by the way,
which I heard on your show a couple of weeks ago,
one of the projects has to be the preservation of
programs like social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and you know, veterans,
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veterans benefits and those kinds of things. That is one
of the central projects in the country right now for
the Democratic Party and for anyone with the brain, the
protection of those programs. You know, all this other chaos,
notwithstanding it's a lot of it is just noise compared
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to the importance of those programs.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
Yeah, I think that. I think that daylight savings time
is a problem.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
Yeah, Well, there'll be a long I'm sure an executive
order with regard to that.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Who knows.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
I think daylight will be outlawed in general.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Well, because we can see what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (39:16):
You know, I know by the way, I noticed that,
I don't know if it was today or yesterday, that
Pam Bondi has now come out and said, bizarrely that
judges have no right to ask questions about any executive
orders or any orders coming from Trump or any policy statements,
that they have no business asking any questions. And it
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just strikes me, as you know, you want to talk
about the chaos in federal government, when you have the
Attorney General getting the law wrong, it's pretty frightening. Car
for the chorus, but frightening. And also, just to continue
(40:02):
that thought, Pam Bondi is defending Trump's efforts to silence
various judges and to quote unquote attempt to impeach judges
that don't support his agenda. And that's why just Chief
Justice Roberts actually came out very unusually making a statement
(40:22):
to say, you know, you know, impeachment is an inappropriate
threat for you know, judges who disagree and or who
actually rule against you. It's inappropriate, and you know it's
got to stop. It won't stop, of course, but Robert says,
(40:44):
for the first time in a long time, actually, you know,
spoken out critically about Trump.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
I wonder whether whether our cabinet pics that you were
particularly stunned by, now that we've sort of settled into
the fact that we have an administration, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
There's it's it's a very it's a very peculiar cabinet.
Let's be honest here, and none of them make any sense.
Think about this, None of them make any sense. And
(41:44):
I guess we'll see where we go. I read an
interesting article about why is he teasing a third term?
And one of the great political brains said, he's not
(42:13):
threatening a third term. He's jangling it out there to
distract people from everything else that he's doing.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
M h.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
I don't know if I live that long. I'd like
to live long enough to have a a decent life.
Speaker 9 (42:40):
Let leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
So anyhow, all right, well we may end up coming
back to that. What do you think is the significance
of these talks between Putin and Trump and and and
(43:20):
what's going on over there? I mean, what do you
think happens there.
Speaker 9 (43:33):
With the talks themselves? Or what do you think what
do I think is going to happen?
Speaker 6 (43:39):
No, No, what do you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Uh, well, I mean the talks themselves have mostly laid
focused on Ukraine. And when I mean, this is a
really interesting question, actually you that you've thrown at the
end of the towards the end here. But so in
terms of the publics what the public hears and sees,
(44:08):
they keep hearing phrases like Putin and Trump have been
meeting about the war with Ukraine, and Trump has spoken
to Zolensky about it, about the you know, the Ukraine
and military and financial support, and these are all like
civilized terms as though what's really happening is diplomacy. But
(44:31):
there is no diplomacy. There's no there there there's nothing
diplomatic happening. What's really happening, and it's fairly obvious if
anybody wants to look into it, is that Putin and
Trump are gradually and strategically planning to chop up Ukraine.
(44:53):
And the threat that they're making are that if the
Ukraine exists, this Number one in the world will continue
and Number two Trump is saying the money will start
drying up, and Zelenski of course is saying, well, we'll
get money from Europe if you don't support us, and
(45:13):
so Trump is saying, well, you know, all right, so
maybe we will support you, but we want some of
your natural resources, we want some of your minerals we
want and Russia wants some of the territory that quote
unquote one back from you. And so these are all
these terms that are getting thrown around. Unfortunately Ukraine is
(45:35):
the victim, but there's no These are not real discussions
about ending a conflict or about creating any kind of
lasting piece. These are strategic meetings to figure out how
to divide Ukraine up in such a way that the
US ends up with either a literal piece of it,
(45:59):
or more likely, kind of a section of the innards
of Ukraine. Putin wants a big chunk of physical territory
from Ukraine's Zelenski, of course, wants the end of the war.
He wants his people to stop being killed in a war.
Putin doesn't care about whether people are killed in a war,
his own or Ukrainians or anyone else for that matter.
(46:20):
And what we are getting is the rhetoric of diplomatic
political discussions. But what we're seeing is this insidious, blatant
power grab and territory grab by both Trump and Putin. No,
(46:45):
and by the way, what it will mean, since that
was the other part of your question, what it will
mean is, yes, it will mean that Ukraine undergoes a
fundamental change in self identity and also with regard to
how the world sees it. But even more far reaching
(47:05):
than that is going to be a bumpy but powerful
alliance between Putin and Trump with regard they're going to
become kind of the marauders of the world. And it's
precisely what Putin wanted to be able to do, and
it's what Trump was tutored in doing by Putin and
(47:27):
other despots. And so we're going I think we're going
to see. This is why you know, Trump is still
people think it's a joke, but he's still insisting that
Canada considered becoming a state. He's insisting that parts of
the world are renamed America. He's insisting that that you know,
Greenland can become part of the United States or be purchased.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
And well, we'll speak, We'll hang on one second. So
speaking speaking of that, so Greenland had elections, right and
they elected their concern for the party to lead the country. Well,
does that mean they that they lean towards the more
(48:11):
liberal side, or that they lean more towards the stalinistic side.
Speaker 9 (48:22):
Because of the election.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
You mean, what is right?
Speaker 9 (48:26):
Right?
Speaker 6 (48:27):
I mean, are we talking about Mussolini or what? You know,
what are we talking about here? I couldn't. I tried
to look it up. I tried to read, and I
couldn't find anything.
Speaker 9 (48:43):
Well, I mean from the last I heard, which is
a week of I mean, I have to say I
haven't followed the Greenland elections, but a week ago the
leadership in Greenland was outspoken that they want to be
neither American. Is they don't want to be Danish. You
know that there's supposedly that they remain very you know, independent.
Speaker 6 (49:12):
So you're going to say, you're going to say that
they remain frozen in Iceland.
Speaker 9 (49:20):
Iceland maybe, I mean Trump, Trump is still pressuring them.
Trump's sees Greenland as a kind of you know, potential
golf course. That's that's with minerals and you know, and
and recal resources. The political leadership of Greenland continues to
demand that they be left alone by Trump. And but
(49:43):
Trump is He's going to apply whatever pressures think he's
entitled to apply to them, and we're going to see
more of that. I mean Greenland. In some cases, Greenland
is a minor test case. Canada is a test case.
To canad it has a much much more of an
ability to tell Trump where to go. Trump may put
(50:08):
Greenland on the spot in ways that we haven't anticipated yet.
But it's more of the more of the same. It's
more of the same push, which is how much of
the world can Trump musk, Putin, engulf or gobble up?
(50:28):
And that that is what we're going to see tested
very specifically. You know, it used, it's not these are
not going to be a tax and you know, going
to war with one nation or another. It's going to
be subtler threats. And we're seeing a real reshuffling of
world domination and how the world is going to look,
(50:50):
how literally, how a globe is going to look. And
I don't think America was pre for how how much
influence Putin is going to have on what the globe
looks like.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
Yeah, well, I'll say this, you could end up with
Canada and Mexico as boyfriend and girlfriend and they may
be very surprised how much power there is between those
(51:22):
two countries.
Speaker 9 (51:25):
Well, I don't know who's going to be surprised. I
mean it would be a good thing, I think, if
for the world, if both Mexico and Canada dig in
their heels and you know, make it clear that sovereign
nations are not going to be pressured into becoming fifty
first or fifty second states of the United States. You
notice who's left out of the mix, by the way,
(51:47):
in trump Land about becoming a fifty first state is
Puerto Rico. Trump is not making any push to it.
I mean, if he wants to, he wants, you know,
rebuild the nation or shore up the nation, he's certainly
not making any pleasant over to our storth Puerto Rico
to become the fifty first state.
Speaker 6 (52:08):
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't have enough paper towel to
bring them in.
Speaker 9 (52:21):
Yeah. So, as you know, I like to do, I
want to try to throw something back at you if
I can.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
Try.
Speaker 9 (52:37):
Okay. So, given the the growing power that Musk has
been awarded by Trump, and given the almost invisibility of
the Vice president Vance, what from where you sit from
(52:58):
having been once of a major player in the Democratic Party,
what does this who's in charge of this administration? From
your point of view, I guess is what I'm asking.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
Musk.
Speaker 9 (53:13):
So you see Musk as being the puppeteer and Trump
the puppet.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
You know, That's what I say.
Speaker 9 (53:23):
And is it a financial power that he holds over him?
What is the Svengalia effect that he has? Where's that
coming from?
Speaker 6 (53:33):
I don't know. But for the most part President just
bends over for Musk. I mean, you can see that
it's obvious.
Speaker 9 (53:53):
But do you think it's because of Musk's money? Is
there something else going on here?
Speaker 6 (54:00):
No, there's something else going on, and I don't know
what it is.
Speaker 9 (54:05):
Well, I guess the reason I'm asking is because it's
something you raised earlier in the show, which has to
do with the regaining of what power can be regained,
if any, by the Democrats. And I come back to
this piece that I had read by a professor at
Harvard Business School brilliant right. Her name is Julie Babolana.
(54:32):
She writes about power authority, and yeah, power authority and
I think strategy, and she makes the point that Number one,
the thing I've always kept in mind is that authority
is no guarantee of power. You can have the titles,
you can have the you know, the the work of
(54:55):
support around you, but that that doesn't guarantee power, and
that that the way to know who is powerful in
any organization. She's talking about businesses, but she would apply
this to government as well. The way to know who
has power and who doesn't isn't you don't look at
the flow chart you know what you look at, or
(55:18):
you ask two questions. According to her, the two questions
are in that particular environment or organization, what do the
people value, what do they want? What are the big wants?
And who controls their access to getting that stuff? And
(55:41):
so with the case of our government, you know, we
could say, all right, what does Trump want? And what?
We know he wants power, and we know he wants influence,
and we know he wants money, and we know he
wants constant validation and affirmation and reverence. And so the
next question is who who was controlling access to all
(56:01):
that stuff? Who can provide that?
Speaker 6 (56:05):
And well, just creates quite an interesting question. And I
just saw her interviews on a show, and while I
was angered by the show, to be honest with you,
(56:26):
I was angered by the show. I didn't like it
at all. It did provoke a lot of thoughts in
my mind. So I don't really know where we go.
(56:51):
My gut tells me that right now Musk has more
power than anybody and more probably down to about a minute.
Speaker 9 (57:06):
Well, since Musk, if you say Musk has the power
and he's not elected, how do we get rid of Musk?
That's the Democratic Party? That is the Democratic Party deal
with Musk?
Speaker 6 (57:21):
I don't know if we can accept through a court order.
Speaker 9 (57:30):
Yeah, but they defy court orders that come their way.
They you know, So what do you do. You can't
bring in the marshals. You can't the marshals are obedient
to Trump. You can't bring in the FBI. The FBI
is run by a Trump sickophan. So how do we
how do we get rid of Musk? Or how do
we and how do we get rid of you know,
(57:50):
the lawlessness of Trump, the Trump administration? How do the
Democrats take that on? They? I hear them talk about
the unconstitutionality of many of these acts, and including by
the way, Trump's recent lather about he was going to
recind some of Biden's pardons, which we cannot do constitutionally.
(58:12):
But if you have an administration that's ready to defy
every single court order, every single constitutional challenge. What is
there left for the Democratic Party to do?
Speaker 12 (58:26):
No?
Speaker 6 (58:27):
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Thank you, Eric.
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Speaker 6 (06:01):
Some good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. And uh, it's actually
a beautiful afternoon. It's warmed up a little bit, it's
cleared up a little bit, so lord knows, there's a
(06:25):
lot to talk about. Of course, I think we say
that every week, now, don't we. We seem to say
that every week there's a lot to talk about. Oh well,
I want to check with the board and make sure
(06:49):
that I can be heard clearly. Eric, well, I know that,
but am I great?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You're better than great, You're perfect?
Speaker 9 (07:03):
All right?
Speaker 6 (07:03):
Thank you?
Speaker 9 (07:04):
She was.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I'm having trouble with my head, said, guys, that's why
it's like this. We talked about measles last week. So
I don't think I have anything to add about measles. Yeah,
(07:29):
I don't think I'm going to add anything about measles
except to say that our chief of Health and Human
Services is digging in what can you say? This guy's
you know, this guy's weird. So my guest today is
(07:56):
doctor Michael Blitz, Professor Emeritis at City University, New York,
John Jack College, and we have quite a quite a
dig into issues. Michael, how are.
Speaker 9 (08:11):
You hey, Eric, good to be here.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
Let's dig in a little bit about the current Democratic
party leaders what's your overall thought about them?
Speaker 9 (08:35):
Well, overall thought about it? Particular if people were the
idea of democratic leadership at all?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Well, the way the current Democratic leadership is. I mean,
I could give you individual thoughts and I could give
you a centralized thought, and I'm not sure which is best.
Right now, you know, to to dig them apart or
(09:03):
to just deal with them.
Speaker 9 (09:12):
Well, I think one interesting way to maybe to frame
the question is that obviously the Democratic Party is in
the minority in the House and the Senate, and so
one of the things that we're looking to the Democratic
leadership in general to do is to make the most
(09:35):
of whatever possibilities of power they have, exercise whatever possibility
of power they may have. We know that the Democratic Party,
even even in the minorities, has certain authoritative rights to
make cases for things, to debate things, to oppose things,
(10:00):
and we know that for the most part, there's been
unity in the Democratic Party in proposing beneficial programs for
America and in opposing programs that Trump slash Musk have
been trying to champion and muscle through. So we know
(10:21):
they're trying to do the things that we would want
even a minority power force to do. The problem in
question that I guess we all face now is to
what extent can a sort of bandit party, which is
(10:42):
the GOP led by Trump, prevent any possibility of exercise
of power by the minority party simply by ignoring them,
and as what we're seeing, and that is the question
that we should be asking is how is the Democratic
Party going to function when in fact most of what
(11:03):
they're doing is being ignored or countermanded, and you have
people like Schumer doing some battle with Jeffries over you know,
a vote that Schumer took. So it's a very very
wobbly Democratic leadership right now. There are a few bright
(11:24):
spots that you and I have talked about, and maybe
that's where we're headed here in discussion. Go on, Well,
I think the bright spots that in terms of people
at least walking walk to the extent they can are
people like Kim Jeffries and Cory Booker, Jasmine Crockett, Jamie
(11:49):
raskin AOC is somebody that's I think re emerged as
an interesting broker.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Known as she had Jasmine Crockett in your notes. I
don't know who she is.
Speaker 10 (12:06):
Oh, well, the Jasmine Crockett is quickly becoming one of
the more outspoken and well researched, well prepared.
Speaker 9 (12:19):
I should say she is remarkable. She's you know, she's
a congresswoman. She represents I think parts of Dallas and
Tarrant counties in Texas. She has been you know, she's
one of the younger members of Congress. She's an attorney,
she's brilliant. She was elected in twenty twenty three, and
(12:44):
she is rapidly rising as someone who is willing to
question the authority of the majority party GOP. And so
I think she's a rising star, probably eclipsing in many
ways people like AOC and Booker. So I think she's
(13:07):
somebody to watch. And she, as I said before, she's
very outspoken, very courageous. But is she is she?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Is she briant?
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Is she?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
You know?
Speaker 9 (13:18):
I think it's brilliant. I think she's brilliant. She's brilliant,
well read, she is. No, she's you know, knows the
law probably better than most members of the House. And
she's she challenges the various attempts by the GOP in
(13:43):
the House too browbeat speakers, browbeat people that are at hearings.
She she steps up to defend Ukraine. She steps up
to defend aid packages for you know, various states that
are in need of excuse me, funds. She also was
(14:06):
I think she was a big figure at the twenty
four or twenty twenty four Democratic National Convention. Excuse me.
She she actually showed photos of the FBI mar A
Lago's search. She showed these in the house when people
were claiming that there were no such documents being hidden
(14:27):
in mar A Lago. She actually pulled out photos in
your house, and she point blank told Marjorie Tail, agreeing
that she was a liar to say that there were
no such no documents being held at mar A Lago.
I'm rambling a little bit just because I don't know
where to go with telling you who she is. But
she's an incredibly powerful young newcomer to the to the house,
(14:50):
and I really think that she, along with the others
I named, are going to be some of the real
power brokers in an otherwise week in the party.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
Yeah, well, I think that AOC will re emerge or
has re emerged. She's out of that hateful mode that
she was in, and that's tough for a lot of
us because because AOC was so vicious for so long.
Speaker 9 (15:37):
So anyway, I think what happens with you know we again,
You and I have discussed this many times, but neither
of us have been our lifelong fans necessarily BOC. But
I think when the younger Congress people are elected, they
need to establish they're just how distinctive they are for others,
(16:01):
and AOC was in her way establishing herself, establishing her credentials,
creating the alliances that she was going to make. But
now she's much more seasoned, and I think what we're
starting to see is, you know, she's now kind of
grouped with a particular set of resistors, to use an
(16:26):
electrical term, people that are outspokenly defying Trump's assessment of
the country and of the economy and of the political landscape.
She and Murphy Crockett is another one. And then you've
got Bernie Sanders on board. So you've got AOC and
Bernie Sanders, but you also have you know, Tim Wattson
(16:48):
and Pritzker, two governors that are very much in their
camp as well, resisting the way Frump formulates the political
landscape of the United States. So it's good to see
that she's at least stepping up to articulate some of
the very real, not just abstract objections to Trump, but
(17:13):
very real objections to his policies, his executive orders, his
cabinet choices. So I think she again, she's somebody who's
proving to be a bright spot in the democratic power structor.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I think that Cory Booker, who I have had the
privilege of having a couple of small lunches with. He's
a very bright guy. My big, my biggest, my biggest
complaint about him is that he's a vegetarian.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I think Booker has proven himself to be also a strong,
outspoken advocate for democratic principles. There's a relationship that I
think we need to keep our eyes on in the
coming months, and that is the one between Hakeing Jeffreys
and Chuck Schumer. I think that's a complicated relationship, made
(18:17):
more complicated recently by Schumer's his support for the gop
spending bill that just about every I think all but
one House Democrat voted against, and then when it went
to the Senate, to everybody's surprised, Schumer supported it, claiming
(18:37):
that it was one of the ways that that to
not support it would play into Trump's hand because it
would cause or potentially cause a government shutdown to not
have approval on that.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
But Jeffrey, you know, you know, there's a think about
this for a minute. If the government shut down on
the Democrats, watch right, Democrats get to blame. If the
(19:12):
governments shut down on the Republicans, watch, we would get
to blame. So either way, we would get to blame.
Speaker 9 (19:22):
That's right, that's right. So that that is one of
the arguments I think Jeffries has made to Schumer in private,
which is now sort of leaking into the public, that
there needs to be, according to Jeffreys, much better coordination
between the Senate and the House, and in the Democrats
of the Senate and the Democrats of the House, because
(19:43):
Schumer's rationale for supporting that bill, if in fact it's
mainly to help avoid a shutdown, which for which the
Democrats would be blamed, Jeffrey's position is your what you
just articulated with is we're going to get blamed no
matter what. The point is that we need to oppose
these spending bills from the get go. Otherwise this is
(20:08):
a slippery slope. And these are terrible, terrible spending bills
that the GOP has proposed. So to begin to if
the reason to support one of them is to prevent
bill will against the Democratic Party. It's already a failure.
There's already enough ill will. Jeffries is now not Jeffries,
(20:31):
but a lot of the House Democrats have started to
call for humor to step down at a Senate an
army leader. And actually I think Jeffreys caucus and general
members of his caucus have started to talk about how
AOC should run for the Senate in twenty twenty eight
and challenge Schumer. I don't know if Schumer will still
(20:53):
be Senator in twenty twenty eight. Who knows. And there's
plenty of people that are in the Democratic Party that
are angry at I know that Glenn Ivy from Maryland
has spoken out pretty aggressively, and I think he was
being a little bit tongue in cheap, but he said,
when Trump texts you thanking you for your vote, when
(21:15):
he texts the Democrats thanking them for their vote, which
he did with Schumor, you know you're in bad you
know you're on bad ground. And that's what happened is
that Trump texted Schumer and said thanks for the vote
of support for the spending bill, and that led to
some serious conversations with Jeffries and Schumer. So I think
(21:36):
that's going to be a relationship to watch. It's an
important relationship. Jeffries is absolutely a vital number of Congress.
Schumer's role may now start to be eroding a little bit.
You know, his power circle may be eroding a little bit,
and that's something that's a cost for concern unless someone
(21:57):
fills that vacuum.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
I think they should bring Judge Judy in.
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Ye. I don't let it teem be worse. I was
curious what you thought about currently about Jamie Raskin's role
in all this.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Jamie Rasky. Raskin is one of the most brilliant legal
scholars that I think I've ever seen in Congress, and
they should be using him, and they should have used
him more. The problem is you go up, you go
(22:46):
from you know, from Pelosi too, you know, to a youngster,
and it changes. But I mean Pelosi, you know, Pelosi
(23:18):
knew everything about everything that was going h I mean seriously, Well,
I'll let you muddle over the following. What do you
(23:41):
think about the fact that the judges are ruling so
heavily against King Donnie and Prince Elan.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
I guess it may seem like they're ruling heavily against them,
because any of them are ruling at all against them,
and so it's sort of surprising. The case that I'm
most interested in at the moment is the Boseberg ruling
that the court rather that the federal government can simply
(24:22):
deport so called that is, wailing illegals without due process,
and that Trump has refused to comply with that court order,
which Jamie Raskin, speaking of Jamie Raskin has come out
and said as a massive constitutional violation. And one of
(24:44):
the things about that case I think that interests me
most is that, at the very least, what Boseberg was
looking for in his ruling, you can't just do this
is one thing to make sure that these were the
right people. It's one thing to want to deport violent
(25:05):
illegal immigrants, you know, if that's the claim. But it
wasn't clear whether these were even people that were presenting
any problem. It wasn't clear whether they were in fact
illegal immigrants at all, or whether they were you know,
legal residents or citizens, and so they were simply rounded
up and deported through Salvador back to Venezuela. And Judge
(25:31):
Bosberg's point was number one, there was no due process.
There was no you know, no legal scrutiny at all
of this, and that that again I'm sorry to use
the term again, but that's that's a slippery slope, because
that's the beginning of deportations at will, at the at
the you know, will of the leader of the And
(25:51):
so Trump's Trump's justification for this or his or his defensiveness,
I should say, was invoking the Alien Enemies Act, you know, yeah,
hundreds of seventeen ninety eight, you know. So we're talking
about something. And it was used in World War Two
(26:12):
because we were at war with Japan. And so when
that was invoked as an excuse for en camping the
Japanese prisoners of war, it was because we were at
war with Japan. We're not at war with Venezuela or
a Salvadora. We're not at war with countries that Trump
wants to deport people to. And so to invoke the
(26:35):
Alien Enemies Act has one purpose only, which is it
has nothing to do with legal justification. It has to
do with inflaming the Now I'll be more politically incorrect
and flaming than you know, the political idiots of the
country or the just the idiots of the country who
are terrified of anybody that isn't you know, white English speaking,
(26:59):
you know, natural so called natural bored and citizen. They're
so afraid and that the Alien Enemies Act by its
very name evokes terror, and so that's why it's being used,
because it taps into people's fear that there are all
(27:19):
these horrible criminals and violent criminals running around, when in fact,
statistically there aren't. The data is there is data that
shows that this is not a huge problem of violent
illegal immigration. And these deportations are scary because they're kind
of at the will of Trump and Musk apparently.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Well, and worse than that, you're kind of at the
will of these these these agents, right, you know, if
(28:06):
you follow me, they're kind of at the will of
these agents.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Well, these agents have certainly been given carte blanche by
Trump and Musk, and I'll keep saying them in the
same breath because they are in the same breath. The
agents have been given the you know, the green light
to make independent decisions about you know, who to detain,
who to you know, bring in for so called questioning,
(28:31):
and who to ultimately report. And when you it's like
shooting first, asking questions later. Now we're deporting first and
asking questions later, if we ask them at all. And
that's what that was what that's what judge Bosberg was
was ruling about and so that's that's one of the
cases that to go back to your question about cases
(28:54):
being ruled in uh Trump and the Elon And I
guess after your break, which I know is coming up,
we can say a word or two about Justice Chief
Justice Roberts recent remarks with regard to Trump and Trump's policies.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Okay, well, yeah, this issue of leadership in the Democratic
Party bothers me because within our own circle, all right,
(29:35):
within our own circle, these guys are fighting the hell
out of each other.
Speaker 9 (29:41):
Yeah, and I I know that we're going to talk
about where I hope to about what whether it's possible
to regain power, either as in the form of you know, election,
real election to a majority in either neither of the
parts of Congress, but also what you do when you're
(30:03):
in the minority, and what kinds of exercises of power
are available, if any, and what strategies are available. And
you know, that's something I'm looking forward to taking up
with you.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Okay, well, listen, my friend. This is Eric Bauman, host
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Welcome back, wadies and gentlemen. This is Eric Paumanos to
the uncommon Sense Democrat right here on NBC Radio gazy AA.
I'm joined by doctor Michael Blitz, Professor Meredith from City
University of New York. And uh, we've got a packed agenda,
as we always do. Uh. We were just listening to
(34:33):
commercial by about I regret how to say this a
commercial about taking I'll skip this because I have to
(34:59):
think about I want to say anyhow, All right, what
do you think about the chaos in the Trump administration?
(35:23):
Goes Musk's agenda, cabinet, pics, et cetera. How do you
fold that together?
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Well, you don't. The simple answer is you don't fold
them together. That traditionally you one wants to see government,
especially of the federal government, as a kind of cohesive
mess where you have you know, you have Congress, you
(35:59):
have the President, you have the cabinet, who have the Judiciary,
and that somehow it all coheres in its lumpy, contentious ways.
But now you've hit it on the head. Now we
have this bizarre chaos, which I think is tactical in
(36:21):
the sense that it doesn't allow anyone to see coherence anywhere.
In fact, it's sort of anti coherence, anti cohesiveness. You
have those that's supposedly, you know, the Department of Government
deficiency that has already proven to be both inefficient and misguided.
(36:46):
It's Musk's little personal little playground, his Musk sandbox. And
essentially it's like a sub cabinet. And as you say,
the cabinet picks themselves reflect the kind of purposeful chaos
because none of it makes any sense. I mean, there's
(37:06):
people say, oh, there's a clear agenda Trump is trying
to do this. There is not a clear agenda other
than Trump trying to fatten his own portfolio and trying
to reshape under the direction of both Musk and Putin,
trying to reshape a nation into a self serving corporate
(37:27):
enterprise and power and power enterprise. So this chaos that
we're looking at, you know, it doesn't really it's not
going to come together. There's no way to fold it
together other than to say, I'm sorry to say this,
but we're just in big trouble if we allow the
chaos to keep us distracted from core issues and core
(37:55):
projects that have to happen. And one example, by the way,
which I heard on your show a couple of weeks ago,
one of the projects has to be the preservation of
programs like social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and you know, veterans,
(38:15):
veterans benefits and those kinds of things. That is one
of the central projects in the country right now for
the Democratic Party and for anyone with the brain, the
protection of those programs. You know, all this other chaos,
notwithstanding it's a lot of it is just noise compared
(38:36):
to the importance of those programs.
Speaker 6 (38:40):
Yeah, I think that. I think that daylight savings time
is a problem.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
Yeah, Well, there'll be a long I'm sure an executive
order with regard to that.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Who knows.
Speaker 9 (39:07):
I think daylight will be outlawed in general.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Well, because we can see what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (39:16):
You know, I know by the way, I noticed that,
I don't know if it was today or yesterday, that
Pam Bondi has now come out and said, bizarrely that
judges have no right to ask questions about any executive
orders or any orders coming from Trump or any policy statements,
that they have no business asking any questions. And it
(39:39):
just strikes me, as you know, you want to talk
about the chaos in federal government, when you have the
Attorney General getting the law wrong, it's pretty frightening. Car
for the chorus, but frightening. And also, just to continue
(40:02):
that thought, Pam Bondi is defending Trump's efforts to silence
various judges and to quote unquote attempt to impeach judges
that don't support his agenda. And that's why just Chief
Justice Roberts actually came out very unusually making a statement
(40:22):
to say, you know, you know, impeachment is an inappropriate
threat for you know, judges who disagree and or who
actually rule against you. It's inappropriate, and you know it's
got to stop. It won't stop, of course, but Robert says,
(40:44):
for the first time in a long time, actually, you know,
spoken out critically about Trump.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
I wonder whether whether our cabinet pics that you were
particularly stunned by, now that we've sort of settled into
the fact that we have an administration, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
There's it's it's a very it's a very peculiar cabinet.
Let's be honest here, and none of them make any sense.
Think about this, None of them make any sense. And
(41:44):
I guess we'll see where we go. I read an
interesting article about why is he teasing a third term?
And one of the great political brains said, he's not
(42:13):
threatening a third term. He's jangling it out there to
distract people from everything else that he's doing.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
M h.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
I don't know if I live that long. I'd like
to live long enough to have a a decent life.
Speaker 9 (42:40):
Let leave it at that.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
So anyhow, all right, well we may end up coming
back to that. What do you think is the significance
of these talks between Putin and Trump and and and
(43:20):
what's going on over there? I mean, what do you
think happens there.
Speaker 9 (43:33):
With the talks themselves? Or what do you think what
do I think is going to happen?
Speaker 6 (43:39):
No, No, what do you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Uh, well, I mean the talks themselves have mostly laid
focused on Ukraine. And when I mean, this is a
really interesting question, actually you that you've thrown at the
end of the towards the end here. But so in
terms of the publics what the public hears and sees,
(44:08):
they keep hearing phrases like Putin and Trump have been
meeting about the war with Ukraine, and Trump has spoken
to Zolensky about it, about the you know, the Ukraine
and military and financial support, and these are all like
civilized terms as though what's really happening is diplomacy. But
(44:31):
there is no diplomacy. There's no there there there's nothing
diplomatic happening. What's really happening, and it's fairly obvious if
anybody wants to look into it, is that Putin and
Trump are gradually and strategically planning to chop up Ukraine.
(44:53):
And the threat that they're making are that if the
Ukraine exists, this Number one in the world will continue
and Number two Trump is saying the money will start
drying up, and Zelenski of course is saying, well, we'll
get money from Europe if you don't support us, and
(45:13):
so Trump is saying, well, you know, all right, so
maybe we will support you, but we want some of
your natural resources, we want some of your minerals we
want and Russia wants some of the territory that quote
unquote one back from you. And so these are all
these terms that are getting thrown around. Unfortunately Ukraine is
(45:35):
the victim, but there's no These are not real discussions
about ending a conflict or about creating any kind of
lasting piece. These are strategic meetings to figure out how
to divide Ukraine up in such a way that the
US ends up with either a literal piece of it,
(45:59):
or more likely, kind of a section of the innards
of Ukraine. Putin wants a big chunk of physical territory
from Ukraine's Zelenski, of course, wants the end of the war.
He wants his people to stop being killed in a war.
Putin doesn't care about whether people are killed in a war,
his own or Ukrainians or anyone else for that matter.
(46:20):
And what we are getting is the rhetoric of diplomatic
political discussions. But what we're seeing is this insidious, blatant
power grab and territory grab by both Trump and Putin. No,
(46:45):
and by the way, what it will mean, since that
was the other part of your question, what it will
mean is, yes, it will mean that Ukraine undergoes a
fundamental change in self identity and also with regard to
how the world sees it. But even more far reaching
(47:05):
than that is going to be a bumpy but powerful
alliance between Putin and Trump with regard they're going to
become kind of the marauders of the world. And it's
precisely what Putin wanted to be able to do, and
it's what Trump was tutored in doing by Putin and
(47:27):
other despots. And so we're going I think we're going
to see. This is why you know, Trump is still
people think it's a joke, but he's still insisting that
Canada considered becoming a state. He's insisting that parts of
the world are renamed America. He's insisting that that you know,
Greenland can become part of the United States or be purchased.
Speaker 6 (47:47):
And well, we'll speak, We'll hang on one second. So
speaking speaking of that, so Greenland had elections, right and
they elected their concern for the party to lead the country. Well,
does that mean they that they lean towards the more
(48:11):
liberal side, or that they lean more towards the stalinistic side.
Speaker 9 (48:22):
Because of the election.
Speaker 6 (48:23):
You mean, what is right?
Speaker 9 (48:26):
Right?
Speaker 6 (48:27):
I mean, are we talking about Mussolini or what? You know,
what are we talking about here? I couldn't. I tried
to look it up. I tried to read, and I
couldn't find anything.
Speaker 9 (48:43):
Well, I mean from the last I heard, which is
a week of I mean, I have to say I
haven't followed the Greenland elections, but a week ago the
leadership in Greenland was outspoken that they want to be
neither American. Is they don't want to be Danish. You
know that there's supposedly that they remain very you know, independent.
Speaker 6 (49:12):
So you're going to say, you're going to say that
they remain frozen in Iceland.
Speaker 9 (49:20):
Iceland maybe, I mean Trump, Trump is still pressuring them.
Trump's sees Greenland as a kind of you know, potential
golf course. That's that's with minerals and you know, and
and recal resources. The political leadership of Greenland continues to
demand that they be left alone by Trump. And but
(49:43):
Trump is He's going to apply whatever pressures think he's
entitled to apply to them, and we're going to see
more of that. I mean Greenland. In some cases, Greenland
is a minor test case. Canada is a test case.
To canad it has a much much more of an
ability to tell Trump where to go. Trump may put
(50:08):
Greenland on the spot in ways that we haven't anticipated yet.
But it's more of the more of the same. It's
more of the same push, which is how much of
the world can Trump musk, Putin, engulf or gobble up?
(50:28):
And that that is what we're going to see tested
very specifically. You know, it used, it's not these are
not going to be a tax and you know, going
to war with one nation or another. It's going to
be subtler threats. And we're seeing a real reshuffling of
world domination and how the world is going to look,
(50:50):
how literally, how a globe is going to look. And
I don't think America was pre for how how much
influence Putin is going to have on what the globe
looks like.
Speaker 6 (51:02):
Yeah, well, I'll say this, you could end up with
Canada and Mexico as boyfriend and girlfriend and they may
be very surprised how much power there is between those
(51:22):
two countries.
Speaker 9 (51:25):
Well, I don't know who's going to be surprised. I
mean it would be a good thing, I think, if
for the world, if both Mexico and Canada dig in
their heels and you know, make it clear that sovereign
nations are not going to be pressured into becoming fifty
first or fifty second states of the United States. You
notice who's left out of the mix, by the way,
(51:47):
in trump Land about becoming a fifty first state is
Puerto Rico. Trump is not making any push to it.
I mean, if he wants to, he wants, you know,
rebuild the nation or shore up the nation, he's certainly
not making any pleasant over to our storth Puerto Rico
to become the fifty first state.
Speaker 6 (52:08):
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't have enough paper towel to
bring them in.
Speaker 9 (52:21):
Yeah. So, as you know, I like to do, I
want to try to throw something back at you if
I can.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
Try.
Speaker 9 (52:37):
Okay. So, given the the growing power that Musk has
been awarded by Trump, and given the almost invisibility of
the Vice president Vance, what from where you sit from
(52:58):
having been once of a major player in the Democratic Party,
what does this who's in charge of this administration? From
your point of view, I guess is what I'm asking.
Speaker 6 (53:11):
Musk.
Speaker 9 (53:13):
So you see Musk as being the puppeteer and Trump
the puppet.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
You know, That's what I say.
Speaker 9 (53:23):
And is it a financial power that he holds over him?
What is the Svengalia effect that he has? Where's that
coming from?
Speaker 6 (53:33):
I don't know. But for the most part President just
bends over for Musk. I mean, you can see that
it's obvious.
Speaker 9 (53:53):
But do you think it's because of Musk's money? Is
there something else going on here?
Speaker 6 (54:00):
No, there's something else going on, and I don't know
what it is.
Speaker 9 (54:05):
Well, I guess the reason I'm asking is because it's
something you raised earlier in the show, which has to
do with the regaining of what power can be regained,
if any, by the Democrats. And I come back to
this piece that I had read by a professor at
Harvard Business School brilliant right. Her name is Julie Babolana.
(54:32):
She writes about power authority, and yeah, power authority and
I think strategy, and she makes the point that Number one,
the thing I've always kept in mind is that authority
is no guarantee of power. You can have the titles,
you can have the you know, the the work of
(54:55):
support around you, but that that doesn't guarantee power, and
that that the way to know who is powerful in
any organization. She's talking about businesses, but she would apply
this to government as well. The way to know who
has power and who doesn't isn't you don't look at
the flow chart you know what you look at, or
(55:18):
you ask two questions. According to her, the two questions
are in that particular environment or organization, what do the
people value, what do they want? What are the big wants?
And who controls their access to getting that stuff? And
(55:41):
so with the case of our government, you know, we
could say, all right, what does Trump want? And what?
We know he wants power, and we know he wants influence,
and we know he wants money, and we know he
wants constant validation and affirmation and reverence. And so the
next question is who who was controlling access to all
(56:01):
that stuff? Who can provide that?
Speaker 6 (56:05):
And well, just creates quite an interesting question. And I
just saw her interviews on a show, and while I
was angered by the show, to be honest with you,
(56:26):
I was angered by the show. I didn't like it
at all. It did provoke a lot of thoughts in
my mind. So I don't really know where we go.
(56:51):
My gut tells me that right now Musk has more
power than anybody and more probably down to about a minute.
Speaker 9 (57:06):
Well, since Musk, if you say Musk has the power
and he's not elected, how do we get rid of Musk?
That's the Democratic Party? That is the Democratic Party deal
with Musk?
Speaker 6 (57:21):
I don't know if we can accept through a court order.
Speaker 9 (57:30):
Yeah, but they defy court orders that come their way.
They you know, So what do you do. You can't
bring in the marshals. You can't the marshals are obedient
to Trump. You can't bring in the FBI. The FBI
is run by a Trump sickophan. So how do we
how do we get rid of Musk? Or how do
we and how do we get rid of you know,
(57:50):
the lawlessness of Trump, the Trump administration? How do the
Democrats take that on? They? I hear them talk about
the unconstitutionality of many of these acts, and including by
the way, Trump's recent lather about he was going to
recind some of Biden's pardons, which we cannot do constitutionally.
(58:12):
But if you have an administration that's ready to defy
every single court order, every single constitutional challenge. What is
there left for the Democratic Party to do?
Speaker 12 (58:26):
No?
Speaker 6 (58:27):
All right, my friend, this is Eric Paluman, host of
the Uncommon Sense Democrat writer here at NBC Radio case AA.
We're here every Wednesday at four pm. I've been joined
by doctor Michael Blitz and I'll look forward to continuing
this conversation with him soon. Michael, thank you for being here.
Speaker 9 (58:52):
Thank you, Eric.
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