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Welcome to the Uncommentant Democrat. This is not Eric Bawman.
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in red ones. Today, I'm joined by a couple of
fascinating people. I've talked with them before, Professor Rona Blaker
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from Glendale College and professor and influencer George Blake. And
it's always interesting when someone is an influencer, because then
I have to be careful that I'm not completely influenced
and echoing what he says. But I'm going to be
putting these two yes to the task today and we're
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going to start off with, I guess a topic that's
on everybody's mind. If it's not, then I'm not sure
what plan it you're on. And that has to do
with Trump's socioeconomic agenda. And it should be noted that
as of today, there is a ninety day moratorium, so
to speak, that Trump has allowed for tariffs a ninety
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day pause. And immediately after he announced this ninety day pause,
the S and P jumped almost ten percent, a huge
increase after trillions of dollars had been lost in the
first month or so of Trump's presidency. So I want
to turn to my guest and ask them, first of all,
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what comes to mind when you're hearing all the news
about a collapsing stock market because of Trump's policies with
regard to tariffs and taxes in this country and abroad.
Let's let's start with Ronham.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Well, don't I don't know what he's thinking. He calls
himself such a business genius. He must have known what
was going to happen. And I'm beginning to wonder if
this policy is to get the nation so the stabilise
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that we start. I know a lot, it's already been
a lot of post tests, and the minute one of
those protests becomes violent, which I think is likely because
people are so destabilized and afraid. The minute one of
those protests becomes violent, I can see him declaring martial law,
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which I believe you would be allowed to do. And
I think that might see his agenda, because if you mean,
lest have some kind of agenda other than trying to
destroy our economy.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
And George your reactions, George, are you there, George Book, can.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
You hear me?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (08:49):
There you are, you can.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
So I was actually I was immune doing myself to
jump in and say, but while Trump does the economic agenda,
agenda does have the power of something more in the
faerious in the works here, and it could be the
destabilization of the country. In the immediacy of it. It
seems like it's certainly a manipulation of the market for
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those who are very wealthy, who can go through a
swift downturn and then simply swallow up by low and
then sell high again. So those even conditions would be
all right those who put the four to one case
on the stock market, and that kind of investment should
make most of these companies examine whether or not that's
the smartest, of course, when you're a president who's so violatile,
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who doesn't under understand the markets, but certainly I understand
manipulating the market, and so I think we're seeing that
more than anything else in the immediacy of what he's doing.
But I'm more concerned about the rampant, flagrant use of
the word tariff, as if it somehow mains scenes for
penalties rather than actual act of economic warfare.
Speaker 9 (09:59):
Well, so let's talk. Let's talk for a moment about
this term tariffs, because not apparently not even Mark Navarro
understands what tariffs are. Based on things he's been saying
on the news, it's very tariffs are taxes, and how
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they're used may vary, but they're taxes, and so their
taxes on all imported goods that they've been imposed on,
and they're usually implemented to support domestic production of some kind,
but regardless of what their intended use is, in effect,
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they drive up the cost of materials that manufacturers need
to produce things. And so Trump's imposition of tariffs penalizes
American industry, American workers, American employees because raw materials become
much more expensive and businesses in this country go out
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of business because they can't afford to buy the materials,
and then workers are laid off and companies shut down,
and especially small businesses. And so essentially Trump's tariffs are,
as you say, George, not just a form of warfare,
but they're like atomic bombs being dropped on the country.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
Yeah, I'm in clients agree, and we're with a mad
bomber who enjoys this. It seems to be support for him,
and partly because he's not really going to suffer anything,
any major consequence in his life, and he realizes that.
And this is part of the disadvantage of having a
president who is to advance an age who'll never live
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to see what the havoc is that he might break
upon the country. And I think right now he's much
more concerned with peeving Vladimir Putin, who I wanted. It
seems to have escaped the penalization of any kind of talent.
How does Roga somehow become no longer there are numbers,
feelful as number one and feld political enemy and instead
becomes the one who escaped the penal the penalty.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
You mean escapes because by dying.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Well escape the penalty because they're not saying they're not
they're getting TAF to Russia.
Speaker 9 (12:18):
Yeah, well, nobody knows how well. We don't know how
long Pootin will be around either. But unfortunately, as you've
pointed out, and I want to get Grona to jump
in here, we're creating we meaning the federal government right
now is creating a legacy that we may never be
able to dig ourselves out from. Not only your students,
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but in terms of your social circles and your conversations
that you've had about these things. What are some of
the issues with regard to Trump's mismanagement. I would have
to say, of everything from the international market to cutting staff,
that all the age and season in the government.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Oh, the cutting stuff at the government, especially at places
like the Department of Health and Human Services, is going
to have incredible reproduction, reprot repercussions for people. But we
can't even imagine yet the fact that they took twelve
billion dollars. I can't even say that we're billions twelve
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billion dollars away from health services. I think it was
about ten days ago, including a billion dollars in mental
health and.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Substance substance abuse services.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
If there's anything our curentry needs right now, maybe especially
in the Whitehouse, is mental health care. I'm so concerned
for people people not being able to get the help
to say that they needs, that they that they've paid for,
that they deserve. And of course everybody I'm a little
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older than George, so everybody in my supl is very
concerned about security and medicare And exactly what you said,
tusing yourselves into a hole that it gets so deep,
how do we even climb out of it?
Speaker 9 (14:14):
Yeah, well, I want to run something past both of you,
specifically on the issue of these firings or cuts the staff.
So Trump and also the Supreme Court involvement in this.
There are two boards that are very important to Americans,
and this does not get into the news much, but
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one of them is the National Labor Relations Board and
one of them is the Merit Systems Protection Board. And
so what Trump wanted to do was essentially fire two
prominent members, one from each board. And the court, the
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federal courts said no, you can't do that. You can't
dismiss these are independent boards. You cannot dismiss These two
happen to be women. In fact, one of them has
to be a women of colors. So you can't do
this and they have to be given their jobs back.
Supreme Court Justice Roberts reversed that. And so before I
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ask for your reactions, what I want to throw your
way into our listeners about these two boards and them.
The quiz is, why do you think Trump wants these
boards to be crippled?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So the.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
Emerit Systems Protection Board is exists to promote an effective
federal workforce that's free of prohibited personnel practices. So their
mission is to establish and maintain a highly qualified, diverse
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federal workforce that's fairly managed, effectively managed, and provides excellent
service to the American people. They're written organizational values are excellence, fairness, timeliness,
and transparency. Why do you think Trump wants that office crippled?
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Oh, let us.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Count the ways, yes, Rona.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Well, the word trans He doesn't want anything to be transparent.
Everything he does is has layers of upstation. Beyond that,
I just I don't know what his motives, but I
don't think they're good. And I think he's been doing
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a lot of things that people at least I think,
oh my Goshod and I think I have to be
cipful not to fall into that trap he's stupid, because
I don't think he is.
Speaker 11 (17:09):
I think he has a plan, and.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
Okay, George went a weigh in on this.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Well, I think my concern is that, I mean, clearly,
he is moving things in a direction so that they
can be part of them, because that's part of what
the MSRP is really there for to be non partisan.
So and what we're saying is supreme for are doing
is saying, yes, the presidents can be partisan. And then
if the America System Protection Board does not follow his
agenda to make him to replaced, well they only always
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be to remember this cuts both ways. This is not
something they would allow Barack Obama to have done during
his presidency, and they would not have allowed Joe Biden either,
because the point of it is to be non part
of it. They're actually playing around with the timing on this, Okay.
My insight tells me that they are not going to
side with Trump on there, but that they need to
make him feel like he's having some wins because Trump,
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I believe it's about to start ignoring court orders and
they'll have no more power. So I think they're giving
a little to get a little from him to continue
to listen to them for now, because I think they're
rapidly finding out that their usefulness went out the door
the moment they said the President of the United States
cannot sin the crimes while he's in the office.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
Who's the vey that you're referring to, George.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
I'm referring to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
Well, the Supreme Court in this case is not directly
involved yet. It's Justice Roberts Who's who Actually, as part
of his role as Chief Justice is he he adjudicates
these situations where there's been a preemption of a presidential directive,
and in this case, he restored the president's power to
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make this uh this firings. Essentially these dismissals, and as you,
I think rightly are hinting at that, this is part
of the testing that the Trump administration is doing to
see how much the Supreme Court, in this case, which
you justice, are willing to support additional powers or complete
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powers of the presidency.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So the.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
GOP conglomerate was furious at the idea that the federal
courts insisted that these two people be reinstated in on
these two boards because they said this is now an
attack on presidential powers, and Roberts agreed, and so and Rona.
Going back to europe point earlier about transparency, the trick
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part of the question that I threw at you was
is that the MSB, PBS, the Merriorssistance Protection Board, they
are about excellence, fairness, timeliness, and transparency. And obviously not
one of those four things can be attributed to the
Trump administration. Now, in my view, equally serious or equally dangerous,
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is the dismissal of and by the way, that was
Kathy Harris was the name of the woman that was
dismissed from the Merit Systems Board. Gwynn Wilcox of the
National Labor Relations Board was dismissed, and the National Labor
Relations Board, And this is the same quiz I'll throw.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
At you, same idea.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
This is an independent federal agency that is vested with
the power to safeguard employees' rights to organize and to
determine whether to have unions as their collective bargaining representatives.
So the NLRB is charged with overseeing the conduct of
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elections to help investigate charges if you feel your labor
relations rights have been violated. They facilitate settlements, they enforce orders.
In some cases, they decide case this more crippled. Hy
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have I stumped the pedal?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Oh, I'm sorry. I at the end of that, you went,
you went after the moment.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I didn't hear the end of what. I do know
a little bit more about.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
There because my husband's involved in back to school where
he's and it's been so helpful to the people who
are trying to unionize, and and and I'm sure that's
what doesn't want.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
People to be able to do. And the fact that
this woman is a black woman who was fired, and
then Rea stated, how can they even be getting their
work done in that environment?
Speaker 8 (21:59):
There's that as part of the dismantling of things right
we Trump. We've seeing Trump to people in charge who
don't want to do the job and remove people who
are the most skilled at these jobs. And they also
are not interested in cases of discrimination. These are part
of what is part of their anti worl agenda. If
they allow cases to be adjudicated based on raised discrimination,
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sex discrimination, gender discrimination, then it seems like they're siding
with progressivism and they want things going the opposite director.
I mean, this is a group where some of them
proposed revoking the nineteenth Amendments.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah, and the likelihood of that is.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Not at all, because we need a friend, we need
another amendment to remove it. Unfortunately, in an era where
people are completely uninformed, they will take up arms through
their ignorance and fite for Trump telling them that he
can do it with the stroke of a pants because
they're uninformed. So this is different than an electorate that
is informed and knows who never have the ability to
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do so.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
In this case, it's just these as example exemple, are
cases we're seeing the testing being done by Trump and
his advisers.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Especially when it comes to things like elections safety, which
is reprobable. We said the NRFL be actually does let
me know that we absolutely right on the mark. This
is going to be a series of a series of
tests for how much power can be interpreted as being
part of the presidency. And and right now, the Trump
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the Trump cabal is making the argument that there should
be virtually no limits on any of the power.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
Of people to do these things. For the president's power
to do these things, Let's look in a few minutes
let's shift a little bit to another of the topics
du jour, which is Elon Musk. And I always feel
like I should gag when I say that name.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
In fact, I often do gag when I say that. Yeah,
the Muskan Navarro feud and what it represents, does it matter?
And what do you understand to be the source of
dis fude Rona, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
If you've been food yeah, I've been finding it a
little bit uh much said that the Navarro, who if
we remember as a convicted criminal, is a moron. I
don't know if he is not.
Speaker 11 (24:35):
The fact that this is.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
The language that is part of our our political discourse
in this country now, I mean, I know it's been
deteriorating for a very long time. And and then the
White House says, oh, boys will be boys. Yeah, yes,
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that's a pretty good description of President Trump. I I
don't think this is huge between these two figures is
particularly important. Musk has already is already stating to the background,
we're not seeing him quite as much as we were.
I did imagine that that relationship wouldn't last very long.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
And I don't think do you think do you think
Musket is receding from the news.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
I do.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Sorry, I couldn't hear that run.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yes, I I it appears to me and my obsessive
news watching that we're not seeing him quite as much.
I think he realized how much, to say he was
losing by spending all his time as the White House.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
I certainly agree that he's much more present. But I
think what we're saying with Musk is what we thought
previously with Steve Bannon, where Abandon was very present early
on in the administration and then seemed to go away
but actually was just machinating from the background. And I
think that's exactly what we do with an Elon Musk.
He realizes that broad Boy, he's his popularity's popularity. This
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lack of popularity's directed hurt Tesla as well as his
own brand and wealth. So I think he's I'll just
say that that's why he's stepping back. I don't think
he's gonna stop manipulating. Goose certainly is not really going anywhere.
They're still going to have their fingers in all areas
of the governess, filthy fingers that they are. But I
will say that when it comes to Musch in.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
The Yeah, I don't think he's going to stop manipulating
from the background.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
But before we say he's.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
There's a kind of continuum of with regard to both
the tariffs and also just the increasing the wealth of
the wealthiest and decreasing the wealth of the rest of us.
At one end is with regard to terrors, which is
the critical economic factor at the moment. Musk is actually
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anti tariff to a good deal. I think it han't
surprised him because it's affecting Tesla, which is lost about
forty five percent of its value, and he himself is
going to suffer because of the tariffs on various parts
that he needs, etc. At the other end of the
spectrum is Navarro, who is rapidly in favor of tariffs,
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despite his Harvard education that should have told him it's
not a good idea. But in between those two, there
are a few people that are worth paying attention to
if for no other reason that they're dangerous. Is the
Commerce Secretary Lutnik, Treasury Secretary Besant, the US Trade Rep.
Jamie Grier, and the Director of National and Economic Council
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Kevin Hassett. And the reason I say they're dangerous is
because they're very influential. Although Lutnik may be on his
way out too, we'll see. But they are the ones
that are taking the position of what sounds like reasonable
approaches to the idea of tariffs, and they're the ones
that have been charged with selling it to you and me,
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and so far they're managing to although businesses are hurting,
they have managed until about two days ago, to sell
the idea that ultimately tariffs will lead to prosperity. I
think now for the first time, people are beginning to
say the market says otherwise, we're.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Living in nineteen eighty four and towards Orwell's double speak.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Well, first of all, I doubt they've read it. That
would require literacy. But we're you know, we're going to
take up some of this stuff again in the second
half of the hour, but and some other more dramatic things.
But right now we're going to take a short break.
This is the young common sense Democrat.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Stay with us.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
We're going to take a short break and we'll be
back with my guests, Professor Rone Blaker and professor and
influencer George Blake. So stay tuned, take it away, and here.
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I'm Chris Garraggio. President Trump's ninety day pause on some
tariffs hadstock surging on Wall Street today. Stocks rose immediately
after Trump unveiled the news on truth social This caused
the Dow Jones Industrial Average to have its biggest rally
in five years, and the SMP five hundred posted its
biggest gained since two thousand and eight. At the closing bell,
the Dow gained two thousand and nine hundred and sixty
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S and P five hundred rows by four hundred and
seventy four points, and the NASDAK gained one thousand and
eight hundred and fifty seven points. President Trump's plan to
use the Alien Enemies Act to deport certain Venezuelans has
been blocked by a pair of federal judges. Their rulings
apply to five men whose attorneys are fighting the deportations.
This comes after the Supreme Court had cleared the way
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the men are being held in Texas. The other two
are in New York. Lawyers dispute the use of the act,
saying it's meant to deport non citizens only in times
of war. I'm Chris Garagio, NBC News Radio KCAA.
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Today.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
I'm happy to be joined by Professor Ronald Blaker from
Glendale College and press and influencer George Blake, both of
whom have been champions in keeping up with not only
sound issues, but also things I keep throwing at them.
They're probably wonderingly, where did that come from? At any rate,
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I want to shift gears a little bit because both
of you, at various times on this show. Sometimes I've
been on with you, We've talked about the erosion of
constitutional law, rule of law, and we all know that
there's been a tremendous backlash against the obvious preferential treatment
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that Trump has given to rioters and criminals. And so
what I'm curious about from each of you is how
do you think that Trump administration and Trump himself and
his associations are redefining and reshaping the very idea of
criminal justice in America. Want to start, George.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Well I said one. I would say, we're just beginning
to see how they're planning to resape criminal justice through
of Pam Bondi is being allowed to do. She's kind
of being given unseted access to go after particular individuals. Also,
the way that we're seeing their hands of the Administration
of Justice when it comes to immigration law has been appalling,
as they say they're going to now leave a person
(34:32):
who has GPS template a protective status in Venezuela, in
Venezuela in prison or an out Salvadorian prison where he
does not belong. So we're seeing that Pam Bondi. I mean,
it's been problematic from the beginning. And actually I often
use my social media when she was running for Attorney
general and that kind of thing in Florida because I
found her appalling. And this is exacting the kind of
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strong arm, draconian tactics that she used when she was
in office there, and that's why she got the attention
of Trump. To me, we should look back to the
days of Jeff Sessions and we should be grateful that
Jeff Sessions at least had a core that was rooted
and following the law as best he could. But that
is not Pam Bondy, and I think Pam Bondi is. Honestly,
(35:15):
my hope is that they become the administration when this
one is out, We'll go after the people that we
see breaking the law right now in the name of
following the agenda of this particular dictator.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
That's fascinating, Ronald, what's your take.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
On this, Well, the criminal justice system in America was
already broken. Matthew Prtortion so many people with our criminal
justice systems who actually need men both care.
Speaker 14 (35:47):
Well.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
It was already broken in one direction, and now it's
breaking in a different direction. That is equally as appalling
and serious, this case of of of the man who
is mistakenly said that Venezuela sohole it is. I don't
(36:14):
I can't wrap my head out that that we've allowed
that to happen in America and that the Supreme Court
isn't doing anything about it. And it's what I think
George was saying earlier about he's he's ignoring the judges,
doing whatever he to do, and and Fonti is is
(36:38):
not acting as an EXI a break on that to him,
it's very frightening.
Speaker 9 (36:49):
Well, you know, George mentioned that he hopes that after
this administration is gone, and let's hope that he's gone
one day, that we're hoping to see the prosecution of
people that essentially just criminals now in the federal government,
people like George mentioned Pambondi, But there's I think we
(37:10):
could make a long list. But remember Bill Barr had
a chance to put the brakes on Trump once before,
and in fact enabled Trump. I don't think that it's
we can expect that this particular administration is going to
be prosecuted a time at any time. I'm especially concerned
(37:33):
and interested to know more about from two of you,
how the lack of well you point to that that
they just ignore judicial decisions. How is that going to
trickle down into everyday criminal justice practices? And I guess
(37:57):
another way for me to ask that question, and either
of you could jump in, is why should anyone obey
the law?
Speaker 6 (38:05):
H Well, we're already seeing a lot of that here
in California, where anything any staff under nine hundred and
fifty dollars is a disdemeanor, and the police are they'ren't
enough police and they're not interested in catching people. So
that we already here have have many, many instances of
(38:28):
people who are not obeying the Di Francisco you know,
well meaning, but but that's to be is falling apart.
I this is why I think, this is why I
(38:50):
think we are destabilizing, and this is why I'm I'm
very afraid about what the final outcomes will be of
of all these policies.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
But go into I think that some things will have
to remain because they don't want anarchy. No one wants anarchy.
The Trump administration doesn't want. They will want. Actually, more
control is what they like, and so I think what
we'd be seeing is that there would be elect administration
of the justice when it comes to things like the
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laws based laws about discrimination regardless of what minority, ethnic, gender,
or sexual sexual minority it might be. I think those
cases are going to go to the wayside, so we
won't see that kind of justice, and I think we
will start to see the overturning of cases that we
think it should go the other way. There's even the
discussion of I think it's offering a parton to Derek Stova.
(39:47):
These are right now. Theation is going after my community.
African American communities do every little petty thing they can do.
We're going to remove Jackie Robinson, want to remove We're
going to raise periods commnent from history. We're going to
do all these things. But I'm not as concerned about
the fear that things will break apart as I am
that things are breaking through and people are starting to
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hear more and become more aware. I think as these
things get us passed and will unfortunately be not the
most comfortable time as we find ourselves fighting against this
administration that is going to do what it can to
oppress us and to make us so overwhelmed to flood
the zone so we no longer have the will to
fight back. But it's really who we have always been.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Well, I think there are two parallels that I'm hearing.
One of them is that there, as you say yours,
there is it seems to be a growing awareness of
some of the toxic underbelly of discrimination and racism and
sexism and homophobia that has characterized American culture for a
(40:53):
long time. But at the same time, there's also a
growing normalisation of I think, Rona, you said this at
the outset of the show, of kind of a nastiness
and a permissive permission to make personal attacks and permission
to be a bigot in kind of a modern sense.
(41:16):
And those two things are happening at once. And I
don't know if there's a way to say who's winning,
you know, lowercase W. It seems both things are happening
at the same time, and that's that's disturbing. I'm not
sure that's how it's always been, but even if it has,
it seems even more acute now.
Speaker 8 (41:38):
Yes, well, it seems like it. Bringing things to the
surface is what we're facing. We're saying both the truth
that people's lives are as they need to live them
as a gay man, or as a person of color,
or what religion won my practice. But I also named
that biggot get the breed it free too. And I
think sometimes progressive and liberal side we think that once
(42:00):
we start to move in a liberal direction, that everyone's
going along with us, and that's not really the case.
The side of the country that is not progressive has
remained as it was. But they because they've remained where
they were, and because we've been so scattered in self
celebratory we just stopped mining the store, and they started
to gather their resources so they could vote and take over. Now,
(42:22):
what it means is we've got to rethink our strategy.
We've got to gather our sources, our resources again. The
fifteen million Americans who did not participate in the last
election certainly feel the sting of it now. And even
if our stock market has suddenly wildly swung twenty eight
hundred points because of the problem that Trump created and
then solved his own creation, it does not mean that
the mingo moves politically in the country. We need to
(42:43):
be focused on the next election, getting people more involved
and moving the ball forward on the spreads of sense.
It's not worrying about trying to convert or inform the
Trump supporter. Really well, I would.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
Like to try to insport them. I would like to
encourage people to pay attention to the fact that they've
voted against their own interest once again. They voted for
inflat you know, it was all about eggs, and.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
What if what they really wanted was exactly this. I
think we want to believe on our side that they
couldn't possibly, but they can possibly. Some people just hate
other people and they're very comfortable with it, and they
don't want to be convinced that they're wrong. They want
to pursue their Trump is not trying to be convinced
that a black, lesbian woman with a physical disability is worthy.
(43:40):
He is, he is not. He's not interested in our own.
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Soldiers with disabilities.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
I believe we need to understand that they are exactly
as we see them and stop having the hope that
they will become more like us, because they are not
hoping we become like them. They're just voting and winning. Well.
Speaker 9 (43:57):
I don't think they need putless. I just want to
put the brakes on one thing here. I don't think
the GOP and Trump as the leader of the GOP,
are even concerned about constituencies anymore, because all they needed
was to get elected. However that actually happened. But I
(44:18):
do I do believe with with Rona, that there are
educable voters, educable voters that voted for Trump that we need,
not necessarily because they're going to change their votes, but
because we need them not to get in the way.
And and we, you know, the three of us are
keep saying we, and so I'm going to turn it
(44:38):
back to both of you. The we that we're talking about,
presumably are Democrats or at least non Republicans. What is
it that we, whoever that may be, can actually do.
Yes we can rally, and yes we can voice our protests,
and yes we can try to educate. But what is
the Democratic Party in a position to act? Shoul we
(45:00):
do to combat what we're all seeing?
Speaker 8 (45:07):
I think we're in a position to get our own
people to vote. If we use Florida as a test case,
look at the demographics in Florida registered voters, Democrats can
win Florida. But don't There are more than enough voters
to win. It's not every single Republican voter without voting.
They're just voting more regularly. What I'm saying is we
(45:28):
are still an untapped resource. We expect our voters to vote.
Republicans demand that their voters vote, and perhaps we need
a stronger a stronger cudgel to get our people, a
stronger care and stick operation and get our people to vote.
But that's what we just did not vote for Kamala Harris.
(45:50):
We didn't she could have won. The same coalition that
voted for Joe Biden did not vote for his vice president.
We have to reckon with it. And it doesn't mean
to go after Republicans because they are enough cult. We
keep saying they're in a cult, and then we want
them to do something that's non cult, like.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
What I think, what is the cedule that's going to
get the Democratic Party to do the things that you're
saying need to be done. What is the actual mechanism.
Speaker 8 (46:14):
But I'll tell you the first action is leadership. We
need leadership that is progressive, that is not going to
do the same old thing, that does not say things
like let's go out in march. Leadership that says let's
create small network. Do we create small what networks? In
the Democratic Party?
Speaker 6 (46:30):
No.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
I was appalled years ago when Eric said to me,
the National Party does not interfere in local politics. Well,
that's why we're losing because the National Party is not involved.
Debbie Marcuso lost that race in Florida and could have won.
That's because the National Party was not involved. So that's
what we need.
Speaker 9 (46:49):
We need a small points.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
We need voter race prins. Instead of having a march,
have a big voter registration. If it's going to marching,
get petitions out there when people are marching, fill that
with activism that actually changes things rather than the raw
raw of it. Let's all meet in the parking process.
No one cares. If there's going to be an economic protest,
(47:11):
then deal an economic protest as a one fatal blow
to the depths of the Republican Party. Get behind the
progressive candidates, unseat the croniusmu in the Democratic Party by
suff humor. You did a good job, but go home now, Grandpa.
There's somebody else who needs the job, and we need
the person that can carry us into the next point.
Speaker 9 (47:31):
I am a grandpa. I don't want to be told
to go home.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
Well, you know what, here's the thing. All the older
people who are in Congress, the average member of Congress
looks this up. They're sixty eight years old. The average
citizen is thirty eight years old. We have the wrong
people in charge. There's thirty years behind the town and
they can't have them don't know what a sweet is still,
so how can they communicate?
Speaker 9 (47:55):
These are all These are all great points, and I
think that probably we're going to see more young person
driven grassroots efforts. But I think you're right, Georgia. The
National Democratic Party is going to have to do what
it has not done very well yet, and that is
(48:16):
to reach down into the local and and and stop
imitating the GOP's approach to politics. I do we don't
have we don't have a ton of time left, but
I do want to I put you both on the
spot as promised. And this is this is a holiday
season that we're in. In my case, you know, and
(48:38):
Rona as well, we celebrate the Passover, and they're One
of the aspects is that there were ten plagues visited
upon these Egyptians uh In in the effort to get
Pharaohed to release the Israelites from slavery. Regardless of what
anybody's particular beliefs are, those ten plagues get enumerated every passover.
(48:59):
And what I'm going to ask the two of you
is to identify one or two contemporary plagues that have
been visited upon American culture and American society, and what
specifically do you think can be done to combat that
plague those plagues. So we'll go back and forth. Rona,
(49:22):
give us a plague.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Well, what you were saying the plague the plague of language,
and that people are now feeling comfortable being incredibly unkind
to people of other genders, of the face of the
orientation and the and the language has has deteriorated so badly,
(49:45):
and I think part of it, Well, here's what the
plague is. The plague is this is social media. I
at least at least in the the co work that
I spend time with. The plague is that they're getting
their news from something their friend said on social media
or or instead of reading a newspaper. And I know,
(50:13):
I just dated myself that I still I read it online,
that I still read the new York Times.
Speaker 9 (50:21):
So I still combat that, Ronald, just to finish the thoughts.
So how do we combat that particular plague?
Speaker 6 (50:27):
Well, I only do it in my tiny way in
my classes with my I'm literally thinking the class about
critical thinking, where you are required to read articles from
different news sources and crass and compare and look up
the facts. And in my attempts to and sometimes they're
(50:52):
very surprised at the fact that they find I'm I'm
teaching literally analysis one now and out of fifty students,
ten of them had ever been to see a play.
And when I asked yes, So although I change that,
(51:15):
I changed that because there was a play on at
my campus and I gave him expercietic for going. And
now more than seeing a play, and now because of
the other findings that I have, more of us has
spread a newspaper.
Speaker 9 (51:32):
So that's sum up a little bit what you just said.
So one way to combat this plague that you identified
is through fighting information and poverty, you know, trying to
get people educating. Okay, George, what about a plague from you?
Speaker 8 (51:49):
Well, there's so many to chooste from. That's in a
ray I think I was. I see something about homelessness
because my students and I talk about this quite regularly,
and we talked but in terms of income, income disparity
and wealth disparity in the country, and that we look
towards capitalism is the way to solve problem. That capitalism
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in this country that we call the wealthiest has not
solved a problem that really only costs about twenty five
billion dollars to solve. Yet we will hail someone for
being worth three hundred billion dollars as if that's somehow
a good thing, while we step over someone on three.
So I think we could certainly assail all of those
problems by doing things like taxing the rich who actually
(52:32):
did not mind being taxed before Reagan because they were
still wealthy and they didn't feel it or think of
themselves as the entitled entitled to all of that they have,
you know, the rest of us have to pay in.
So I think it would be plagued by homelessness and
hunger attached that because while we acquacy are insolvable problems,
they are completely solvable with modern technology and even have
(52:54):
the wealth to.
Speaker 9 (52:55):
Do so well just to pursue that. So what will
convince the super wealthy right now? To return to some
kind of mind pre Reagan mindset.
Speaker 8 (53:07):
Well, unfortunately, I think what we've got is a capitalistic mindset,
which is really the worst flag of them all, because
it makes us all feel like we should somehow climb
to the top, and if we have not, not been successful.
Speaker 9 (53:19):
So that's part of it.
Speaker 8 (53:21):
It's mentality. But I think what might convinced them to
do that is what convinces most people's threats, and what
we might need to inform them is that you don't,
as my mother used to say when I was a kid,
you don't have to fed the floor because they will
come and take your food.
Speaker 9 (53:36):
Okay, well that's that's interesting advice and probably true. And
from Rona, we need one more We need one more
plague from you, Rona. Oh golly, George has got twenty
five or thirty more to go. But I would go back.
Speaker 6 (53:59):
To to these cuts in governments, then closing down the
departments of education. That's going to be a terrible plague.
But there are already children who are losing the benefits
that they're entitled to. You both food that George was
talking about and things like an i EP and individual
(54:20):
Education plan where where they are helped to succeed. If
that all goes away again, the refer cushions are going
to be deep broad and it's going to take us
a generation to recover from what's happening right now.
Speaker 9 (54:43):
And definitely it's affecting the national psychology in devastating ways.
The malaise kind of a I'm going to throw one
in a plague in there, but I'm not necessarily go
to elaborate because I want to give George a job
for one more. But I would say RFK Junior, by himself,
represents one of the biggest players in this country faces
(55:06):
right now with regard to health, with regard to truth,
with regard to research. He has cut into so much
of what is legitimate and necessary and made it seem
like it's uh, you know, not needed, it's not valid.
So I would I would name him as a plague.
And unfortunately, I can't think of too many ways to
(55:26):
combat that plague.
Speaker 10 (55:27):
That are that are legal.
Speaker 9 (55:29):
Well, last plague, George, I'm inclined.
Speaker 8 (55:36):
To agree with her with their suggestion of RFK, but
I will add to it. I think it's mental illness.
The way we view mental illness, we still have stigma
attached to that, and I think the younger generation generations
he gets it. They know how important is reserve their
mental health. The our generation, my generation jen essence, the
boomers that were ahead of me, did not understand it.
(55:58):
And in fact, I think we're acting and seeing the
results in our administration are the results of mental illness
when we look at it as personality and not as illness.
You know, I don't believe the presidents well I have
not as a personality type. I don't believe as well,
But I believe he's like a Kanye West. They're so
attracted with curious fire that they continuously feed it without
(56:21):
realizing that it doesn't take me to o Larry's cow
to burn down San Francis. So it just takes an
idiot and a strong win.
Speaker 9 (56:30):
Well Well said, I was feeling that one of the
takeaways from something this kind of discussion is that each
of these plagues is intimately related to each of the
other ones. You can't address issues like the mental health
or mental illness in this country, or homelessness or sort
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of daily comportment or healthcare without addressing things like the
attempts to eliminate health insurance Medicare, Medicaid, basic basic health
care for women, and they're so intimately connected. And you
wonder the people that are proposing policies that will cut
these things, don't they have anyone in their lives who
(57:16):
will be affected by this.
Speaker 8 (57:20):
Or maybe it's like, I can't remember which cabinet members
said his mother, I think it's percent said that his
father in law would not be upset if she missed
the socia the carry check or too.
Speaker 9 (57:31):
Right by the way, that was Lutnix, the billionaire Lutnik
who said, yeah, that mother's ninety one, and you know,
if she missed, if we withhold a check from her
one month to you, it'll be okay. She'll just figure
she'll get another one at some point.
Speaker 8 (57:43):
Let's just remember this is the same party that during
COVID said that families would be happy, older people would
be happy to die of COVID. If you remember this
was on boxing right right, because then they were really
gonna throw their old people on the fire then, and
they want to make laws, they want to make them logs. Now.
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what comes to mind when you're hearing all the news
about a collapsing stock market because of Trump's policies with
regard to tariffs and taxes in this country and abroad.
Let's let's start with Ronham.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Well, don't I don't know what he's thinking. He calls
himself such a business genius. He must have known what
was going to happen. And I'm beginning to wonder if
this policy is to get the nation so the stabilise
(07:55):
that we start. I know a lot, it's already been
a lot of post tests, and the minute one of
those protests becomes violent, which I think is likely because
people are so destabilized and afraid. The minute one of
those protests becomes violent, I can see him declaring martial law,
(08:19):
which I believe you would be allowed to do. And
I think that might see his agenda, because if you mean,
lest have some kind of agenda other than trying to
destroy our economy.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
And George your reactions, George, are you there, George Book, can.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
You hear me?
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (08:49):
There you are, you can.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
So I was actually I was immune doing myself to
jump in and say, but while Trump does the economic agenda,
agenda does have the power of something more in the
faerious in the works here, and it could be the
destabilization of the country. In the immediacy of it. It
seems like it's certainly a manipulation of the market for
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those who are very wealthy, who can go through a
swift downturn and then simply swallow up by low and
then sell high again. So those even conditions would be
all right those who put the four to one case
on the stock market, and that kind of investment should
make most of these companies examine whether or not that's
the smartest, of course, when you're a president who's so violatile,
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who doesn't under understand the markets, but certainly I understand
manipulating the market, and so I think we're seeing that
more than anything else in the immediacy of what he's doing.
But I'm more concerned about the rampant, flagrant use of
the word tariff, as if it somehow mains scenes for
penalties rather than actual act of economic warfare.
Speaker 9 (09:59):
Well, so let's talk. Let's talk for a moment about
this term tariffs, because not apparently not even Mark Navarro
understands what tariffs are. Based on things he's been saying
on the news, it's very tariffs are taxes, and how
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they're used may vary, but they're taxes, and so their
taxes on all imported goods that they've been imposed on,
and they're usually implemented to support domestic production of some kind,
but regardless of what their intended use is, in effect,
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they drive up the cost of materials that manufacturers need
to produce things. And so Trump's imposition of tariffs penalizes
American industry, American workers, American employees because raw materials become
much more expensive and businesses in this country go out
(11:02):
of business because they can't afford to buy the materials,
and then workers are laid off and companies shut down,
and especially small businesses. And so essentially Trump's tariffs are,
as you say, George, not just a form of warfare,
but they're like atomic bombs being dropped on the country.
Speaker 8 (11:25):
Yeah, I'm in clients agree, and we're with a mad
bomber who enjoys this. It seems to be support for him,
and partly because he's not really going to suffer anything,
any major consequence in his life, and he realizes that.
And this is part of the disadvantage of having a
president who is to advance an age who'll never live
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to see what the havoc is that he might break
upon the country. And I think right now he's much
more concerned with peeving Vladimir Putin, who I wanted. It
seems to have escaped the penalization of any kind of talent.
How does Roga somehow become no longer there are numbers,
feelful as number one and feld political enemy and instead
becomes the one who escaped the penal the penalty.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
You mean escapes because by dying.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
Well escape the penalty because they're not saying they're not
they're getting TAF to Russia.
Speaker 9 (12:18):
Yeah, well, nobody knows how well. We don't know how
long Pootin will be around either. But unfortunately, as you've
pointed out, and I want to get Grona to jump
in here, we're creating we meaning the federal government right
now is creating a legacy that we may never be
able to dig ourselves out from. Not only your students,
(12:41):
but in terms of your social circles and your conversations
that you've had about these things. What are some of
the issues with regard to Trump's mismanagement. I would have
to say, of everything from the international market to cutting staff,
that all the age and season in the government.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
Oh, the cutting stuff at the government, especially at places
like the Department of Health and Human Services, is going
to have incredible reproduction, reprot repercussions for people. But we
can't even imagine yet the fact that they took twelve
billion dollars. I can't even say that we're billions twelve
(13:24):
billion dollars away from health services. I think it was
about ten days ago, including a billion dollars in mental
health and.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Substance substance abuse services.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
If there's anything our curentry needs right now, maybe especially
in the Whitehouse, is mental health care. I'm so concerned
for people people not being able to get the help
to say that they needs, that they that they've paid for,
that they deserve. And of course everybody I'm a little
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older than George, so everybody in my supl is very
concerned about security and medicare And exactly what you said,
tusing yourselves into a hole that it gets so deep,
how do we even climb out of it?
Speaker 9 (14:14):
Yeah, well, I want to run something past both of you,
specifically on the issue of these firings or cuts the staff.
So Trump and also the Supreme Court involvement in this.
There are two boards that are very important to Americans,
and this does not get into the news much, but
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one of them is the National Labor Relations Board and
one of them is the Merit Systems Protection Board. And
so what Trump wanted to do was essentially fire two
prominent members, one from each board. And the court, the
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federal courts said no, you can't do that. You can't
dismiss these are independent boards. You cannot dismiss These two
happen to be women. In fact, one of them has
to be a women of colors. So you can't do
this and they have to be given their jobs back.
Supreme Court Justice Roberts reversed that. And so before I
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ask for your reactions, what I want to throw your
way into our listeners about these two boards and them.
The quiz is, why do you think Trump wants these
boards to be crippled?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So the.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
Emerit Systems Protection Board is exists to promote an effective
federal workforce that's free of prohibited personnel practices. So their
mission is to establish and maintain a highly qualified, diverse
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federal workforce that's fairly managed, effectively managed, and provides excellent
service to the American people. They're written organizational values are excellence, fairness, timeliness,
and transparency. Why do you think Trump wants that office crippled?
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Oh, let us.
Speaker 9 (16:31):
Count the ways, yes, Rona.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Well, the word trans He doesn't want anything to be transparent.
Everything he does is has layers of upstation. Beyond that,
I just I don't know what his motives, but I
don't think they're good. And I think he's been doing
(16:56):
a lot of things that people at least I think,
oh my Goshod and I think I have to be
cipful not to fall into that trap he's stupid, because
I don't think he is.
Speaker 11 (17:09):
I think he has a plan, and.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
Okay, George went a weigh in on this.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Well, I think my concern is that, I mean, clearly,
he is moving things in a direction so that they
can be part of them, because that's part of what
the MSRP is really there for to be non partisan.
So and what we're saying is supreme for are doing
is saying, yes, the presidents can be partisan. And then
if the America System Protection Board does not follow his
agenda to make him to replaced, well they only always
(17:40):
be to remember this cuts both ways. This is not
something they would allow Barack Obama to have done during
his presidency, and they would not have allowed Joe Biden either,
because the point of it is to be non part
of it. They're actually playing around with the timing on this, Okay.
My insight tells me that they are not going to
side with Trump on there, but that they need to
make him feel like he's having some wins because Trump,
(18:02):
I believe it's about to start ignoring court orders and
they'll have no more power. So I think they're giving
a little to get a little from him to continue
to listen to them for now, because I think they're
rapidly finding out that their usefulness went out the door
the moment they said the President of the United States
cannot sin the crimes while he's in the office.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
Who's the vey that you're referring to, George.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
I'm referring to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 9 (18:28):
Well, the Supreme Court in this case is not directly
involved yet. It's Justice Roberts Who's who Actually, as part
of his role as Chief Justice is he he adjudicates
these situations where there's been a preemption of a presidential directive,
and in this case, he restored the president's power to
(18:52):
make this uh this firings. Essentially these dismissals, and as you,
I think rightly are hinting at that, this is part
of the testing that the Trump administration is doing to
see how much the Supreme Court, in this case, which
you justice, are willing to support additional powers or complete
(19:15):
powers of the presidency.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So the.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
GOP conglomerate was furious at the idea that the federal
courts insisted that these two people be reinstated in on
these two boards because they said this is now an
attack on presidential powers, and Roberts agreed, and so and Rona.
Going back to europe point earlier about transparency, the trick
(19:44):
part of the question that I threw at you was
is that the MSB, PBS, the Merriorssistance Protection Board, they
are about excellence, fairness, timeliness, and transparency. And obviously not
one of those four things can be attributed to the
Trump administration. Now, in my view, equally serious or equally dangerous,
(20:09):
is the dismissal of and by the way, that was
Kathy Harris was the name of the woman that was
dismissed from the Merit Systems Board. Gwynn Wilcox of the
National Labor Relations Board was dismissed, and the National Labor
Relations Board, And this is the same quiz I'll throw.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
At you, same idea.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
This is an independent federal agency that is vested with
the power to safeguard employees' rights to organize and to
determine whether to have unions as their collective bargaining representatives.
So the NLRB is charged with overseeing the conduct of
(20:49):
elections to help investigate charges if you feel your labor
relations rights have been violated. They facilitate settlements, they enforce orders.
In some cases, they decide case this more crippled. Hy
(21:14):
have I stumped the pedal?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Oh, I'm sorry. I at the end of that, you went,
you went after the moment.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I didn't hear the end of what. I do know
a little bit more about.
Speaker 11 (21:25):
There because my husband's involved in back to school where
he's and it's been so helpful to the people who
are trying to unionize, and and and I'm sure that's
what doesn't want.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
People to be able to do. And the fact that
this woman is a black woman who was fired, and
then Rea stated, how can they even be getting their
work done in that environment?
Speaker 8 (21:59):
There's that as part of the dismantling of things right
we Trump. We've seeing Trump to people in charge who
don't want to do the job and remove people who
are the most skilled at these jobs. And they also
are not interested in cases of discrimination. These are part
of what is part of their anti worl agenda. If
they allow cases to be adjudicated based on raised discrimination,
(22:20):
sex discrimination, gender discrimination, then it seems like they're siding
with progressivism and they want things going the opposite director.
I mean, this is a group where some of them
proposed revoking the nineteenth Amendments.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah, and the likelihood of that is.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Not at all, because we need a friend, we need
another amendment to remove it. Unfortunately, in an era where
people are completely uninformed, they will take up arms through
their ignorance and fite for Trump telling them that he
can do it with the stroke of a pants because
they're uninformed. So this is different than an electorate that
is informed and knows who never have the ability to
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do so.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
In this case, it's just these as example exemple, are
cases we're seeing the testing being done by Trump and
his advisers.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
Especially when it comes to things like elections safety, which
is reprobable. We said the NRFL be actually does let
me know that we absolutely right on the mark. This
is going to be a series of a series of
tests for how much power can be interpreted as being
part of the presidency. And and right now, the Trump
(23:41):
the Trump cabal is making the argument that there should
be virtually no limits on any of the power.
Speaker 9 (23:47):
Of people to do these things. For the president's power
to do these things, Let's look in a few minutes
let's shift a little bit to another of the topics
du jour, which is Elon Musk. And I always feel
like I should gag when I say that name.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Exactly.
Speaker 9 (24:05):
In fact, I often do gag when I say that. Yeah,
the Muskan Navarro feud and what it represents, does it matter?
And what do you understand to be the source of
dis fude Rona, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
If you've been food yeah, I've been finding it a
little bit uh much said that the Navarro, who if
we remember as a convicted criminal, is a moron. I
don't know if he is not.
Speaker 11 (24:35):
The fact that this is.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
The language that is part of our our political discourse
in this country now, I mean, I know it's been
deteriorating for a very long time. And and then the
White House says, oh, boys will be boys. Yeah, yes,
(24:57):
that's a pretty good description of President Trump. I I
don't think this is huge between these two figures is
particularly important. Musk has already is already stating to the background,
we're not seeing him quite as much as we were.
I did imagine that that relationship wouldn't last very long.
Speaker 9 (25:21):
And I don't think do you think do you think
Musket is receding from the news.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
I do.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
Sorry, I couldn't hear that run.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yes, I I it appears to me and my obsessive
news watching that we're not seeing him quite as much.
I think he realized how much, to say he was
losing by spending all his time as the White House.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
I certainly agree that he's much more present. But I
think what we're saying with Musk is what we thought
previously with Steve Bannon, where Abandon was very present early
on in the administration and then seemed to go away
but actually was just machinating from the background. And I
think that's exactly what we do with an Elon Musk.
He realizes that broad Boy, he's his popularity's popularity. This
(26:14):
lack of popularity's directed hurt Tesla as well as his
own brand and wealth. So I think he's I'll just
say that that's why he's stepping back. I don't think
he's gonna stop manipulating. Goose certainly is not really going anywhere.
They're still going to have their fingers in all areas
of the governess, filthy fingers that they are. But I
will say that when it comes to Musch in.
Speaker 9 (26:34):
The Yeah, I don't think he's going to stop manipulating
from the background.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
But before we say he's.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
There's a kind of continuum of with regard to both
the tariffs and also just the increasing the wealth of
the wealthiest and decreasing the wealth of the rest of us.
At one end is with regard to terrors, which is
the critical economic factor at the moment. Musk is actually
(27:06):
anti tariff to a good deal. I think it han't
surprised him because it's affecting Tesla, which is lost about
forty five percent of its value, and he himself is
going to suffer because of the tariffs on various parts
that he needs, etc. At the other end of the
spectrum is Navarro, who is rapidly in favor of tariffs,
(27:32):
despite his Harvard education that should have told him it's
not a good idea. But in between those two, there
are a few people that are worth paying attention to
if for no other reason that they're dangerous. Is the
Commerce Secretary Lutnik, Treasury Secretary Besant, the US Trade Rep.
Jamie Grier, and the Director of National and Economic Council
(27:56):
Kevin Hassett. And the reason I say they're dangerous is
because they're very influential. Although Lutnik may be on his
way out too, we'll see. But they are the ones
that are taking the position of what sounds like reasonable
approaches to the idea of tariffs, and they're the ones
that have been charged with selling it to you and me,
(28:18):
and so far they're managing to although businesses are hurting,
they have managed until about two days ago, to sell
the idea that ultimately tariffs will lead to prosperity. I
think now for the first time, people are beginning to
say the market says otherwise, we're.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Living in nineteen eighty four and towards Orwell's double speak.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Well, first of all, I doubt they've read it. That
would require literacy. But we're you know, we're going to
take up some of this stuff again in the second
half of the hour, but and some other more dramatic things.
But right now we're going to take a short break.
This is the young common sense Democrat.
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Speaker 9 (29:11):
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Today.
Speaker 9 (33:00):
I'm happy to be joined by Professor Ronald Blaker from
Glendale College and press and influencer George Blake, both of
whom have been champions in keeping up with not only
sound issues, but also things I keep throwing at them.
They're probably wonderingly, where did that come from? At any rate,
(33:22):
I want to shift gears a little bit because both
of you, at various times on this show. Sometimes I've
been on with you, We've talked about the erosion of
constitutional law, rule of law, and we all know that
there's been a tremendous backlash against the obvious preferential treatment
(33:46):
that Trump has given to rioters and criminals. And so
what I'm curious about from each of you is how
do you think that Trump administration and Trump himself and
his associations are redefining and reshaping the very idea of
criminal justice in America. Want to start, George.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Well I said one. I would say, we're just beginning
to see how they're planning to resape criminal justice through
of Pam Bondi is being allowed to do. She's kind
of being given unseted access to go after particular individuals. Also,
the way that we're seeing their hands of the Administration
of Justice when it comes to immigration law has been appalling,
as they say they're going to now leave a person
(34:32):
who has GPS template a protective status in Venezuela, in
Venezuela in prison or an out Salvadorian prison where he
does not belong. So we're seeing that Pam Bondi. I mean,
it's been problematic from the beginning. And actually I often
use my social media when she was running for Attorney
general and that kind of thing in Florida because I
found her appalling. And this is exacting the kind of
(34:54):
strong arm, draconian tactics that she used when she was
in office there, and that's why she got the attention
of Trump. To me, we should look back to the
days of Jeff Sessions and we should be grateful that
Jeff Sessions at least had a core that was rooted
and following the law as best he could. But that
is not Pam Bondy, and I think Pam Bondi is. Honestly,
(35:15):
my hope is that they become the administration when this
one is out, We'll go after the people that we
see breaking the law right now in the name of
following the agenda of this particular dictator.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
That's fascinating, Ronald, what's your take.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
On this, Well, the criminal justice system in America was
already broken. Matthew Prtortion so many people with our criminal
justice systems who actually need men both care.
Speaker 14 (35:47):
Well.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
It was already broken in one direction, and now it's
breaking in a different direction. That is equally as appalling
and serious, this case of of of the man who
is mistakenly said that Venezuela sohole it is. I don't
(36:14):
I can't wrap my head out that that we've allowed
that to happen in America and that the Supreme Court
isn't doing anything about it. And it's what I think
George was saying earlier about he's he's ignoring the judges,
doing whatever he to do, and and Fonti is is
(36:38):
not acting as an EXI a break on that to him,
it's very frightening.
Speaker 9 (36:49):
Well, you know, George mentioned that he hopes that after
this administration is gone, and let's hope that he's gone
one day, that we're hoping to see the prosecution of
people that essentially just criminals now in the federal government,
people like George mentioned Pambondi, But there's I think we
(37:10):
could make a long list. But remember Bill Barr had
a chance to put the brakes on Trump once before,
and in fact enabled Trump. I don't think that it's
we can expect that this particular administration is going to
be prosecuted a time at any time. I'm especially concerned
(37:33):
and interested to know more about from two of you,
how the lack of well you point to that that
they just ignore judicial decisions. How is that going to
trickle down into everyday criminal justice practices? And I guess
(37:57):
another way for me to ask that question, and either
of you could jump in, is why should anyone obey
the law?
Speaker 6 (38:05):
H Well, we're already seeing a lot of that here
in California, where anything any staff under nine hundred and
fifty dollars is a disdemeanor, and the police are they'ren't
enough police and they're not interested in catching people. So
that we already here have have many, many instances of
(38:28):
people who are not obeying the Di Francisco you know,
well meaning, but but that's to be is falling apart.
I this is why I think, this is why I
(38:50):
think we are destabilizing, and this is why I'm I'm
very afraid about what the final outcomes will be of
of all these policies.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
But go into I think that some things will have
to remain because they don't want anarchy. No one wants anarchy.
The Trump administration doesn't want. They will want. Actually, more
control is what they like, and so I think what
we'd be seeing is that there would be elect administration
of the justice when it comes to things like the
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laws based laws about discrimination regardless of what minority, ethnic, gender,
or sexual sexual minority it might be. I think those
cases are going to go to the wayside, so we
won't see that kind of justice, and I think we
will start to see the overturning of cases that we
think it should go the other way. There's even the
discussion of I think it's offering a parton to Derek Stova.
(39:47):
These are right now. Theation is going after my community.
African American communities do every little petty thing they can do.
We're going to remove Jackie Robinson, want to remove We're
going to raise periods commnent from history. We're going to
do all these things. But I'm not as concerned about
the fear that things will break apart as I am
that things are breaking through and people are starting to
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hear more and become more aware. I think as these
things get us passed and will unfortunately be not the
most comfortable time as we find ourselves fighting against this
administration that is going to do what it can to
oppress us and to make us so overwhelmed to flood
the zone so we no longer have the will to
fight back. But it's really who we have always been.
Speaker 9 (40:31):
Well, I think there are two parallels that I'm hearing.
One of them is that there, as you say yours,
there is it seems to be a growing awareness of
some of the toxic underbelly of discrimination and racism and
sexism and homophobia that has characterized American culture for a
(40:53):
long time. But at the same time, there's also a
growing normalisation of I think, Rona, you said this at
the outset of the show, of kind of a nastiness
and a permissive permission to make personal attacks and permission
to be a bigot in kind of a modern sense.
(41:16):
And those two things are happening at once. And I
don't know if there's a way to say who's winning,
you know, lowercase W. It seems both things are happening
at the same time, and that's that's disturbing. I'm not
sure that's how it's always been, but even if it has,
it seems even more acute now.
Speaker 8 (41:38):
Yes, well, it seems like it. Bringing things to the
surface is what we're facing. We're saying both the truth
that people's lives are as they need to live them
as a gay man, or as a person of color,
or what religion won my practice. But I also named
that biggot get the breed it free too. And I
think sometimes progressive and liberal side we think that once
(42:00):
we start to move in a liberal direction, that everyone's
going along with us, and that's not really the case.
The side of the country that is not progressive has
remained as it was. But they because they've remained where
they were, and because we've been so scattered in self
celebratory we just stopped mining the store, and they started
to gather their resources so they could vote and take over. Now,
(42:22):
what it means is we've got to rethink our strategy.
We've got to gather our sources, our resources again. The
fifteen million Americans who did not participate in the last
election certainly feel the sting of it now. And even
if our stock market has suddenly wildly swung twenty eight
hundred points because of the problem that Trump created and
then solved his own creation, it does not mean that
the mingo moves politically in the country. We need to
(42:43):
be focused on the next election, getting people more involved
and moving the ball forward on the spreads of sense.
It's not worrying about trying to convert or inform the
Trump supporter. Really well, I would.
Speaker 6 (42:58):
Like to try to insport them. I would like to
encourage people to pay attention to the fact that they've
voted against their own interest once again. They voted for
inflat you know, it was all about eggs, and.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
What if what they really wanted was exactly this. I
think we want to believe on our side that they
couldn't possibly, but they can possibly. Some people just hate
other people and they're very comfortable with it, and they
don't want to be convinced that they're wrong. They want
to pursue their Trump is not trying to be convinced
that a black, lesbian woman with a physical disability is worthy.
(43:40):
He is, he is not. He's not interested in our own.
Speaker 9 (43:43):
Soldiers with disabilities.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
I believe we need to understand that they are exactly
as we see them and stop having the hope that
they will become more like us, because they are not
hoping we become like them. They're just voting and winning. Well.
Speaker 9 (43:57):
I don't think they need putless. I just want to
put the brakes on one thing here. I don't think
the GOP and Trump as the leader of the GOP,
are even concerned about constituencies anymore, because all they needed
was to get elected. However that actually happened. But I
(44:18):
do I do believe with with Rona, that there are
educable voters, educable voters that voted for Trump that we need,
not necessarily because they're going to change their votes, but
because we need them not to get in the way.
And and we, you know, the three of us are
keep saying we, and so I'm going to turn it
(44:38):
back to both of you. The we that we're talking about,
presumably are Democrats or at least non Republicans. What is
it that we, whoever that may be, can actually do.
Yes we can rally, and yes we can voice our protests,
and yes we can try to educate. But what is
the Democratic Party in a position to act? Shoul we
(45:00):
do to combat what we're all seeing?
Speaker 8 (45:07):
I think we're in a position to get our own
people to vote. If we use Florida as a test case,
look at the demographics in Florida registered voters, Democrats can
win Florida. But don't There are more than enough voters
to win. It's not every single Republican voter without voting.
They're just voting more regularly. What I'm saying is we
(45:28):
are still an untapped resource. We expect our voters to vote.
Republicans demand that their voters vote, and perhaps we need
a stronger a stronger cudgel to get our people, a
stronger care and stick operation and get our people to vote.
But that's what we just did not vote for Kamala Harris.
(45:50):
We didn't she could have won. The same coalition that
voted for Joe Biden did not vote for his vice president.
We have to reckon with it. And it doesn't mean
to go after Republicans because they are enough cult. We
keep saying they're in a cult, and then we want
them to do something that's non cult, like.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
What I think, what is the cedule that's going to
get the Democratic Party to do the things that you're
saying need to be done. What is the actual mechanism.
Speaker 8 (46:14):
But I'll tell you the first action is leadership. We
need leadership that is progressive, that is not going to
do the same old thing, that does not say things
like let's go out in march. Leadership that says let's
create small network. Do we create small what networks? In
the Democratic Party?
Speaker 6 (46:30):
No.
Speaker 8 (46:30):
I was appalled years ago when Eric said to me,
the National Party does not interfere in local politics. Well,
that's why we're losing because the National Party is not involved.
Debbie Marcuso lost that race in Florida and could have won.
That's because the National Party was not involved. So that's
what we need.
Speaker 9 (46:49):
We need a small points.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
We need voter race prins. Instead of having a march,
have a big voter registration. If it's going to marching,
get petitions out there when people are marching, fill that
with activism that actually changes things rather than the raw
raw of it. Let's all meet in the parking process.
No one cares. If there's going to be an economic protest,
(47:11):
then deal an economic protest as a one fatal blow
to the depths of the Republican Party. Get behind the
progressive candidates, unseat the croniusmu in the Democratic Party by
suff humor. You did a good job, but go home now, Grandpa.
There's somebody else who needs the job, and we need
the person that can carry us into the next point.
Speaker 9 (47:31):
I am a grandpa. I don't want to be told
to go home.
Speaker 8 (47:34):
Well, you know what, here's the thing. All the older
people who are in Congress, the average member of Congress
looks this up. They're sixty eight years old. The average
citizen is thirty eight years old. We have the wrong
people in charge. There's thirty years behind the town and
they can't have them don't know what a sweet is still,
so how can they communicate?
Speaker 9 (47:55):
These are all These are all great points, and I
think that probably we're going to see more young person
driven grassroots efforts. But I think you're right, Georgia. The
National Democratic Party is going to have to do what
it has not done very well yet, and that is
(48:16):
to reach down into the local and and and stop
imitating the GOP's approach to politics. I do we don't
have we don't have a ton of time left, but
I do want to I put you both on the
spot as promised. And this is this is a holiday
season that we're in. In my case, you know, and
(48:38):
Rona as well, we celebrate the Passover, and they're One
of the aspects is that there were ten plagues visited
upon these Egyptians uh In in the effort to get
Pharaohed to release the Israelites from slavery. Regardless of what
anybody's particular beliefs are, those ten plagues get enumerated every passover.
(48:59):
And what I'm going to ask the two of you
is to identify one or two contemporary plagues that have
been visited upon American culture and American society, and what
specifically do you think can be done to combat that
plague those plagues. So we'll go back and forth. Rona,
(49:22):
give us a plague.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Well, what you were saying the plague the plague of language,
and that people are now feeling comfortable being incredibly unkind
to people of other genders, of the face of the
orientation and the and the language has has deteriorated so badly,
(49:45):
and I think part of it, Well, here's what the
plague is. The plague is this is social media. I
at least at least in the the co work that
I spend time with. The plague is that they're getting
their news from something their friend said on social media
or or instead of reading a newspaper. And I know,
(50:13):
I just dated myself that I still I read it online,
that I still read the new York Times.
Speaker 9 (50:21):
So I still combat that, Ronald, just to finish the thoughts.
So how do we combat that particular plague?
Speaker 6 (50:27):
Well, I only do it in my tiny way in
my classes with my I'm literally thinking the class about
critical thinking, where you are required to read articles from
different news sources and crass and compare and look up
the facts. And in my attempts to and sometimes they're
(50:52):
very surprised at the fact that they find I'm I'm
teaching literally analysis one now and out of fifty students,
ten of them had ever been to see a play.
And when I asked yes, So although I change that,
(51:15):
I changed that because there was a play on at
my campus and I gave him expercietic for going. And
now more than seeing a play, and now because of
the other findings that I have, more of us has
spread a newspaper.
Speaker 9 (51:32):
So that's sum up a little bit what you just said.
So one way to combat this plague that you identified
is through fighting information and poverty, you know, trying to
get people educating. Okay, George, what about a plague from you?
Speaker 8 (51:49):
Well, there's so many to chooste from. That's in a
ray I think I was. I see something about homelessness
because my students and I talk about this quite regularly,
and we talked but in terms of income, income disparity
and wealth disparity in the country, and that we look
towards capitalism is the way to solve problem. That capitalism
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in this country that we call the wealthiest has not
solved a problem that really only costs about twenty five
billion dollars to solve. Yet we will hail someone for
being worth three hundred billion dollars as if that's somehow
a good thing, while we step over someone on three.
So I think we could certainly assail all of those
problems by doing things like taxing the rich who actually
(52:32):
did not mind being taxed before Reagan because they were
still wealthy and they didn't feel it or think of
themselves as the entitled entitled to all of that they have,
you know, the rest of us have to pay in.
So I think it would be plagued by homelessness and
hunger attached that because while we acquacy are insolvable problems,
they are completely solvable with modern technology and even have
(52:54):
the wealth to.
Speaker 9 (52:55):
Do so well just to pursue that. So what will
convince the super wealthy right now? To return to some
kind of mind pre Reagan mindset.
Speaker 8 (53:07):
Well, unfortunately, I think what we've got is a capitalistic mindset,
which is really the worst flag of them all, because
it makes us all feel like we should somehow climb
to the top, and if we have not, not been successful.
Speaker 9 (53:19):
So that's part of it.
Speaker 8 (53:21):
It's mentality. But I think what might convinced them to
do that is what convinces most people's threats, and what
we might need to inform them is that you don't,
as my mother used to say when I was a kid,
you don't have to fed the floor because they will
come and take your food.
Speaker 9 (53:36):
Okay, well that's that's interesting advice and probably true. And
from Rona, we need one more We need one more
plague from you, Rona. Oh golly, George has got twenty
five or thirty more to go. But I would go back.
Speaker 6 (53:59):
To to these cuts in governments, then closing down the
departments of education. That's going to be a terrible plague.
But there are already children who are losing the benefits
that they're entitled to. You both food that George was
talking about and things like an i EP and individual
(54:20):
Education plan where where they are helped to succeed. If
that all goes away again, the refer cushions are going
to be deep broad and it's going to take us
a generation to recover from what's happening right now.
Speaker 9 (54:43):
And definitely it's affecting the national psychology in devastating ways.
The malaise kind of a I'm going to throw one
in a plague in there, but I'm not necessarily go
to elaborate because I want to give George a job
for one more. But I would say RFK Junior, by himself,
represents one of the biggest players in this country faces
(55:06):
right now with regard to health, with regard to truth,
with regard to research. He has cut into so much
of what is legitimate and necessary and made it seem
like it's uh, you know, not needed, it's not valid.
So I would I would name him as a plague.
And unfortunately, I can't think of too many ways to
(55:26):
combat that plague.
Speaker 10 (55:27):
That are that are legal.
Speaker 9 (55:29):
Well, last plague, George, I'm inclined.
Speaker 8 (55:36):
To agree with her with their suggestion of RFK, but
I will add to it. I think it's mental illness.
The way we view mental illness, we still have stigma
attached to that, and I think the younger generation generations
he gets it. They know how important is reserve their
mental health. The our generation, my generation jen essence, the
boomers that were ahead of me, did not understand it.
(55:58):
And in fact, I think we're acting and seeing the
results in our administration are the results of mental illness
when we look at it as personality and not as illness.
You know, I don't believe the presidents well I have
not as a personality type. I don't believe as well,
But I believe he's like a Kanye West. They're so
attracted with curious fire that they continuously feed it without
(56:21):
realizing that it doesn't take me to o Larry's cow
to burn down San Francis. So it just takes an
idiot and a strong win.
Speaker 9 (56:30):
Well Well said, I was feeling that one of the
takeaways from something this kind of discussion is that each
of these plagues is intimately related to each of the
other ones. You can't address issues like the mental health
or mental illness in this country, or homelessness or sort
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of daily comportment or healthcare without addressing things like the
attempts to eliminate health insurance Medicare, Medicaid, basic basic health
care for women, and they're so intimately connected. And you
wonder the people that are proposing policies that will cut
these things, don't they have anyone in their lives who
(57:16):
will be affected by this.
Speaker 8 (57:20):
Or maybe it's like, I can't remember which cabinet members
said his mother, I think it's percent said that his
father in law would not be upset if she missed
the socia the carry check or too.
Speaker 9 (57:31):
Right by the way, that was Lutnix, the billionaire Lutnik
who said, yeah, that mother's ninety one, and you know,
if she missed, if we withhold a check from her
one month to you, it'll be okay. She'll just figure
she'll get another one at some point.
Speaker 8 (57:43):
Let's just remember this is the same party that during
COVID said that families would be happy, older people would
be happy to die of COVID. If you remember this
was on boxing right right, because then they were really
gonna throw their old people on the fire then, and
they want to make laws, they want to make them logs. Now.
Speaker 9 (58:02):
Yeah, listen, I really hoped that in this hour we
would solve most of America's problems. So I'm disappointed that
we didn't solve them, but I want to thank my guests,
Professor run A Blaker and professor and influencer George Blake.
I can't imagine two better guests. This is I want
to pick this out on Michael Blifz covering for Eric
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