S4 E05 - Daddy's Home

Today @thenewtommitch and @leebrown2 discuss the raucous and amazing atmosphere, the total domination of Man U, the hopes for the future and our future stars.

Episode Transcript

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Yeah, there's no place. Iknow if I would, I wouldn't want
to be right here. And youknow, in this winute of trying to
bring success to one of the biggestfootball clubs in the worlds the basic under
line principles that, yeah, Iwant my team to play football that scares
a life out of every opposition.Right, That's that's kind of the endgame.

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Good evening and welcome to the vartSide Spurs podcast and joining me for
a drink to celebrate our win overManchester United is Tom Mitchell, usually found
on the Steve Perrimount podcast and sometimesof whiskey sessions on Twitter. How are
you doing, mate, I'm verygood after this weekend. How are you?
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. Likewise, so I thought what we would

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do to begin with that actually isjust have a little kind of reflect on
our pre match riteal today and Ijust kind of get your feeling about how
that felt pre match today, becauseto me, it felt like a different
mood and atmosphere overall. Definitely,definitely, I think the there was definitely

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there was definitely a good feeling aroundaround the crowd. I mean, you
always get the preseason optimism, don'tyou. On the first game of the
season. I remember, like I'mpretty sure we left the Southampton game last
season we won for one and everyoneleft thinking it was, you know,
great start to season, it's goingto be our year again, blah blah
blah. And I think especially becauseit carried on from the from the superb

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end of the season we had beforewhere everyone's optimistic there as well. But
I think bubbling under was always theundercurrent of like, it's not Tottenham football,
is it, But while we're kindof while we're winning, we'll put
up with it. And there's somethingI was going to mention. Today was
like one of the first times Ithink, I think the point last season
where I started to think that it'snot really I can't see this work in

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under content was actually Man United awaywhen they absolutely batted us to now could
have been way more and we justnever got foot hold of the game.
And I think, sorry jumped aheadof myself here, but I do think
that yesterday, for a number ofreasons, sorry Saturday, for a number
of reasons, it was very different. I think the start of the football
and the vibe before, Yeah,I think I think the vibe before basically

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ended up being being matched by bywhat we saw, and I think there's
a stronger foundation there for hopefully whatwe're gonna what's going to come. And
it was certainly the absolute anti oppositeof the way we played against Man United
last season at their face. Yeah, one hundred percent agree that. I
think there was just kind of adifferent feel in the lead up to it.
I think the kind of vibes behindon Saturday were, well, it

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just feels like the reset button hasbeen hit, doesn't it Like Cane's gone,
We're we're in the middle of atransition. Perhaps almost almost all of
those players are not the same playersthat we would have started a season or
two ago. It's only really Sonnyremaining, So it really feels like we're
kind of in a new era.There's a lot more sort of forgiveness and

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hope about the whole thing. SoI just I just felt in this sort
of I wanted to sort of pickup up on it because I just felt
in this sort of lead up tothe game there was a much more relaxed
feel about it. Not you know, no, not that kind of cocky
like, are we're going to turnup and do this today. It was
just kind of I'm just we're justhappy to see good football again and feel

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the way we should be feeling aboutour club, win, lose or draw.
We're you know, of course,we're hoping for the for the win.
And I just felt that this thisjust feels like a different time.
And you could you could feel that, you know, just even when we
were at the pub right that therewas a more relaxed feel about It's not
that sort of tension that we had. I mean, I don't know about
you, but last season sometimes youknow, there were some games I just

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couldn't even stomach attending so I chuckedthe ticket in, or it was a
case of look, I'm just goingto see some friends and that's it.
You know, the football can justget to hell all ended up being an
afterthoughts. So often I think,yeah, no, And I think a
lot of the good will and goodfeeling before the game is a result of
the way and has handled himself sincehe came in and how he's basically,

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you know, United quite a splitfan base in a number of ways.
And I think the introduction he gotbefore the game, when he got introduced,
you know, that really got theatmosphere going. And have to say
as well, the trumpet playing,yeah, getting everyone thing there when the
Spurs just before kick off. Yeah, it was such a rousing atmosphere,
like such a kind of yeah.It made it that kind of intimidating stadium

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that we were hoping to see moreof, and we've kind of seen it
occasionally. But you know, Ithink frobably comparable with the Arsenal game in
the Champion and when we were kindof having the Champions League face off a
couple of season or last in termsof atmosphere. But again, I think
so much of that game was theatmosphere was almost like more hatred towards Arsenal

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than love for our own team.And whereas whereas yesterday just psyche yesterday,
Yes, it's still fresh in thememory, see, but the atmosphere cultivated
by, as I say, thereset buttons hanging, you know, handling
everything so well and and you know, setting expectations in a way where you

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know, maybe maybe we're not expectingto kind of be challenging so much this
year, but I think the expectationsare high that we're going to be playing
really yeah, We're going to beplaying really attractive attacking football based on what
we've seen in preseason and these firsttwo games. So yeah, I think
that there's a whole new I mean, I've never known such a turnaround and
feeling the club that quickly, AndI think Poster Codlu needs an awful lot

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of credit for the way he's donethat absolutely in his communication is immaculate.
But I also feel that there's asort of letting off of steam, the
pressure pressures off. It feels likethe pressures off right, and nobody's expecting
much from us. But the otherthing that's been going on behind the scenes.
So I'm glad you mentioned the trumpetactually because I thought during the game,
you know, the atmosphere was reallygreat. It's probably the most I've

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heard us sing throughout, but thereare several factors going on there. I
thought that the club are engaged withand I know this is probably not the
most popular opinions because you know,they are public enemy number one at the
moment, But but the trumpet atthe start, as you mentioned, just
I you know, I mean justthose around us looked at each other when
he saw the guy on the trumpeton the screen right and just thought,

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hang on, this feels this feelsreally good. Right. It feels like
the start of something here and everyonewas right up for it straight off,
straight off, you know, fromthat trumpet going, it started everyone singing,
and then the drummer, which hasnow been allowed back, that kept
the thing, you know, thewhole momentum of that going. And then
there's this sort of new fans singingsection isn't there as well, which I

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think has really helped. So Ithink, you know, quietly behind the
scenes, they've not made a lotof it, but it's brilliant that the
fans have been involved with this andthe club have listened to them, because
the atmosphere has been hit and missedfor quite a while at this new stadium.
I mean, it'd be interesting tosee in other games whether we can

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kind of replicate that, But itfeels like they've got some of the correct
pieces in place through consultation with thefans, because that that that that felt
really kind of vibrant and didn't feelforced. I mean, I mean,
maybe I'm sort of looking through rosetinted spectacles here, but it felt to
me like there's pretty much singing throughoutthe whole game. Yeah, definitely,

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And like you say, I thinkthe board for all the ups and downs
deserve credit for the way all theclubs has credit for such a proactive conversation
with the sporters about what would makeprematch better, you know, and we
all got the survey, didn't weyou know, what, what song do
we want playing first? And whatnot? And then and it seems like they've

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really kind of made an effort toboost the atmosphere. Yeah, it's almost
like Stars on forty five. Andmaybe you're a bit too young for that,
but there was a there was thiskind of mash up back in the
day of all the sort of greatestrock and roll hits that became number one
for for a while in the eighties. But it's as like that at the

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very beginning, where they had likea lot of the sort of most popular
songs, almost like telling us whatwe're going to be singing later on.
You know, it worked well though, I mean it was like little snippets
of it, but it kind ofI think you got fans just singing early,
and I think that did work definitely, definitely, And I think,
yeah, we're probably the players possiblyneeded that during the first half. You

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know, we were a bit youknow, it's easy to kind of look
the second half freshman memory, wherewe were really really outstanding, and the
first half did us some hairy momentsand them and himself said that the players
were a bit a bit nervous attimes, but I think there was a
very forgiving crowd, which which whichmakes all the difference, I think for

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three young team. And and youknow, I think there are number of
factors that went into into that atmosphereof being generated, which which I'm convinced
to help help the team through throughthrough that tricky first first period. Absolutely,
And and the fact that from eventhough he'd said pre match, didn't
he yeah, I don't really feelcomfortable with the fans singing me my name

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just yet I haven't really earned it. Ironically, the fans of doubled down
on that, didn't they really?And they they really did keep singing his
name throughout. There was a coupleof different chants which seemed to be taken
off. Do you think that's youknow, the fans are trying to communicate
something to him because of that?Yeah, I mean, I mean,

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I think there's just such a releaseamongst the fans of having someone who isn't
acting like he's here to do usa favor and sees the job blow him
or whatever, and and you know, that is basically what we've had for
the last last three four years.And and secondly, someone who wants to
play football the right to the Tottenhamway, and that just I think instantly

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makes him a top bloke in theeyes of many Spurs fans straight away.
You know, there's a long wayto go, obviously, and I'm sure
there'll be many rocks in the roadas far as as far as you know,
his journey of Spurs goes. Buthis rival's basically been a bit a
breath of fresh air. He saidall the right things, and I'm sorry,

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but that will get you in ourgood books, eng and the tough.
You're going to get a song straightaway, so deal with it.
Whereas someone also said, if youdo anything special, even a tattoo of
your name on our backside or something, yeah, yeah, I mean next,
yeah, but yeah, I mean, I just it just it just
was, you know, good vibesoverall, and that was just so refreshing

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considering the sort of turgid, reallysort of pressing atmosphere that we've had so
far. So so if if wejumped straight into the game. Then we
won too, Neil, so wehad s score go and an o and
go by Martinez. But there Ithought, man, you had a strong
start and said he thought our teamwas a bit nervous. But I don't

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know. I mean, I didn'treally see that. Do you agree that
did they'd seem nervous to you oror you know, did that not translate
to you either? Yeah, Idon't know if nervous is the word i'd
use. I think, man,you came out looking like they had a
point to prove after they got alot of cristism for the way they played
against Wolves, and they were luckyto lucky to get a win, and
I think they were on the frontfoot. Obviously the carry made a good

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saved from Rashford early on, andyou know, enough said about Fernandez's head
of the better as well. Butthen they looked up for it and you
know, we possibly you know,it's possibly under under content. We might
have been sitting back a bit moresoaking up the pressure of of what was

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bound to be a slightly kind ofup for it Man United team, whereas
we were presumably trying to play ourattacking game right from the beginning, which
is just refreshing. And they obviouslywere able to kind of come through us
a bit more, a bit moreeasily than they maybe we liked, but
you know, it's a risk andreward, isn't it. And you know
we h so certainly as the gamewent on, we wrestle control of the

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midfield quite quite yea, superbly itwas. It was amazing to see how
how in particular it's just kind ofplaying beyond his years and and and pursumer
you know, overlooked by our lastmanager for some god knows what reason.
And yeah, yeah, we definitelygo into the game we didn't start with

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with with amazing kind of yeah,with the power and confidence in which we
we we've moved on with absolutely.Yeah, I mean to be fair,
I I the reason I say thatbecause I didn't really kind of read it
that way. I just thought,Okay, from the off, they knew
we were going to be pressing andput you know, being on the front
foot, so their tactics were justto kind of come at us straight out

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the door, you know, thetraps from the beginning. Press really yeah,
yeah, they outpressed us I thinkfor a bit for a bit until
we kind of settled. I mean, you know, gonnactually had a say
brought from from the Carrio early asyou say, the Rashford a couple of
early chances from him. Fernandez thoughthe was Eric Lamella doing the rabona and
you know that kind of so,I mean, you know, on another

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time we could have been one ortwo down even but we let let's give
you know, the Carrio credit becausehe was you know, on his toes
there, and then I think wesettled, and I and I it was
really pleasing to see the way onceagain those defenders Underla being and coming into
midfield and really sort of filling thatspace up for us. A doggie joining

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this sort of midfield attacks, andyou know, it was good to see
that we weren't being outnumbered in themidfield. Were you Were you surprised to
see Porrow play over Emerson? Yeah, I guess I guess so, because
Emerson had a good game last week. And but but you know, maybe

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maybe he's going to be our wayright back and Porow might be our home
right back. You know, butI think Porrow, yes, he offers
a bit more of an attacking threat. Do you think he suits this type
of game better than or probably Yeah, and he nearly scored a screamer,
didn't he That was right from rightin front of me hit that. Yeah,

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But but no he had he Ithink he had a really good game.
A doggie looks like an absolutely well, yeah, like he he could
be left out for years and yearsto come if he if he carries on
how he started, perhaps she needsa statue just for him, I think
it. Yeah, absolutely yeah.So yeah, I thought Emerson or Porro,

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I'm not disappointed to see either inthe team. Really, it's nice.
I mean they both give us differentthings, don't they, Because there's
things that Porrow can do that Emersoncan't do, and vice versa. I
just think that maybe there was twofacets to this game. That perhaps the
way that Porrow could attack the spaceand delivers a better cross. And also

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because we weren't going to be sortof having to beat that low block and
defend in the fact that we wouldsorry had more space to play because wherever
where you look at it, man, you were going to try and play
their game, and we've got morespace to play in so but and also
maybe perhaps and just still testing hissquad out, we don't really know,
Dobie, because you know, verysoon we're going to have to lose a

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number of players. I mean,I don't think Porrow of course will be
one of those. But he's lookingat who can he pend on, who
can you you know, so youhave to wander in the next two or
three games what those rotations will be. Maybe he's just trying to still figure
out people. Yeah, yeah,it'd be interesting to see. But I
mean I think I think it certainlyseems like he's heading We're heading in direction

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where where players will hopefully be ableto kind of drop in and out quite
interchangeably from from from this team,if we're playing in a certain way,
not rely on a specific individuals qualitiesas such. I mean, obviously we're
yeah that that that there will wedo have outstanding players who who we'd rather
see ahead of others. But Ithink, you know, you'd hope that

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we're moving towards a place where,depending it doesn't matter who the right back
is. You know, we've gottwo good options and either one will which
will will provided possibly a slightly differentapproach to it to a given game.
But I don't think of them aregoing to let us down anymore. And
I think, you know, itsays a lot as well that Emerson the

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way he's come on from being booednot too long ago and being treated as
a bit of a joke to itjust being such a solid, solid right
back now. He could also youknow, finished pretty intily as as as
he has don't know, over thelast few months as well. We love
a redemption art, don't we slutelyAbsolutely, We've got plenty of those over
the last few years. What aboutI mean, there's been some complaints I

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think over Kilisevski in the way he'sbeen playing, But what are you what
are your thoughts on him? Ithink he's just kind of missing the the
end product at the moment, whichis seems a bit dark to say,
given that he pretty much sat upthe first of the first goal. But
I mean, I think you cansometimes see some of his teammates getting a

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bit bit frustrated with him because he'she's he'll get you'll get into positions,
he causes havoc. Defenders often don'tknow how to how to deal with him,
and I think the last, youknow, the last six months or
so, he's kind of it's feltlike he struggled to kind of really deliver
that that killer ball or lethal shot. You know, I thought, given
the way he kind of played inhis first few months, but as I

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thought, he was going to bea proper ten to twelve goal of season
guy. And he still might mightmight head that way. You know,
he has plenty of shots, butbut yeah, you know, he's not
quite at the level I was hopingare expecting you'd be right now. But
I still think his ceiling is itis very high, and he shows enough
to warrant his place in the teamfor now. And I definitely think he's

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He's someone who he's always there asan outlet, and he always looks like
he's going to make something happen whenhe gets the ball, even if it
doesn't always come off. And youjust kind of think if he can just
kind of up the success rate ofhis of what he does at the end
of his patterns of play, thenyou know, I think he'll become undroppable.

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But yeah, Angel doesn't strike meas somebody who plays someone just out
of sympathy. I mean, Ihad a look over the game again a
little while back, and and actually, I when when you look back over
it. His influence in the gameis probably bigger than you realize at the
time, you know, Like yousay, you know, basically he set
up the first goal with slight deflectionon it, but but he charged it

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and way he broke into that spaceand got into it was really impressive space.
Yeah. Yeah, and he hada good couple of shots and target
which needed saving, so he wasyou know, he kind of was doing
some of his stuff where he waskind of taking the ball on the on
the half turn going and you know, running into that space powerfully. I
mean, their defense did a prettygood job, but I thought he was,

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you know, had a decent impacton the game. But yeah,
I do agree. I think,you know, ultimately, I think once
it all starts to click, he'llfeel more settled in that again because they've
all got to sort of unlearn whatthey'd learned before in the last with the
last two managern't they really And Iknow we have had some significant changes since
then, but you know, playerslike Song, players like Kulda Sefski,
players like Romero et cetera, havegot unlearned some of those things that have

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been drilled into him before. Butit seems to be clicking. It seems
to be coming together already. AndI suspect I don't know about you,
but I feel that the sort ofwhat he's he's done in this short space
of time he's had, it's probablyahead of time, would you say,
definitely? Yeah. I mean,I think the trans the difference in the
way we're playing compared to you know, what we've what we've seen over the

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last however long, I don't thinkI've seen a kind of transition quite like
it. Yeah, yeah, Imean I think that I think we saw
in in preseason, you know,was it like a hundred shots in three
games or something? It was.It's clear that we're kind of definitely full

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reset on on the style and theapproached games that we've had, and and
there's always a worry that there's goingto be a lot of catching up to
do for you know, a lotplayers want to lose muscle memory for from
how they played for the last lastfew years, I say, especially the
fullbacks, and we've lost our talisman. Yeah, well exactly. Yeah.
I think the funny thing is webarely mentioned him ever. We but but

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you know, I think it wouldbe very easy to have come into the
new season and expect us to totake a tonkin or two in the first
Yeah, and we still might getone in the first the first quarter,
first first third of the seasons asplayers get used to to a new style
and you know, new roles.But I think to keep clean sheet against
Man United at home, to dominateBrentford in their own backyard after the way

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they've been kind of playing at home, you know in recent recent times when
they you know, no mugs whatsoever. They're really really good foot footballing team.
You know, I think we've Ithink we're wear head schedule on may
continue. I mean you mentioned justa minute ago, actually the word journey.
If this is the start of thejourney. Blimey. You know it

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does make you hopeful, isn't it? Or you know, I know,
I know we are. You know, often it's leveled us that were quite
delusional with Spurs fans, But Imean, come on, allow allow us
this one. It does feel likewe're at the start of something pretty special,
is it not? Well, doyou know what I'm I'm picturing those
kind of end of season review videosat the moment, and they're going to
start off in slow like black andwhite Cormerce and and they're like saying,

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I fear for Tottenham. I fearfor Tottenham this season, you know,
And I'm kind of that That's whatI'm picturing that snippets Roy Keane exactly,
the arrogant exactly, and you know, without Kane they screwed. And then
obviously it's going to finish with someone lifting the title at the end,
and that's one for year VIDs,I think, yeah, definitely, definitely.

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So I was going to, well, we have to really cut come
to the first goal scored by theinimable Art and I think that actually to
me, Look when I watched it, I just you know, just me
and my son just went absolutely crackerswatching it back. That was a harder
goal to take than you think,the way he sort of took it and
with his less fought and just likevollied in, I thought it was a

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fantastic goal and what you know,what have you got to say about but
our man saw then, I mean, he's just it looks like an absolutely
amazing acquisition, doesn't he. Yeah, definitely, it's like an absolutely absolute
baller. I say, he's he'sso confident for for his age and it's
it's travesty that we saw glimpses ofhim last season and then and then just

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ended up. Yeah, he justdisappeared from view again, didn't he.
But he's clearly an extremely talented player. And I think the way he took
that goal, you know past youknow, his his midfield played for outside.
The way he took that goal waswas was it was the the measure
of very confident and and well wellcultured. Yeah, great technique play,

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you know. I mean that finishedwas not easy, like you say,
when it came up. I waskind of kind of bouts in front of
him and I was waiting for thelash into the crowd or just smashing it
straight at the keeper. But hefinished that so well into the top,
into the top of the net,you know it was and it was,
like I say, it's quite highup. It was kind of almost like
getting really spouts behind him, buthe got his foot up. And what

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that raw when that went in wasit was brilliant kind of building up throughout
the game the court coming out ofthe bottle, wasn't it. Yeah?
And then the best thing is wecarried on playing, you know, kind
of with conditioned to them sitting backand everyone behind in our and half of
the rest of the game and hopefor a song or came break. And
but now we carried on playing becauseit just impressed me so much with not

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only his energy, but he's awarenessof the game. He just was arriving
in the right places all the time, ready for, you know, to
take the pass. Yeah. Hewasn't shirking, wasn't hiding at all,
not. You know, he justseemed very confident. You know, he
wanted the ball all the time.He was a catalyst for a lot of
the good moves between him and Sonand and and and Richie were just kind

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of like really nicely all into passesbetween them all. I you know he
I mean, he said himself,it was just you know, considering it's
just a young man. He wantshe wants it all ballandur the lot.
You know, he's I just hopeit's with us. Yeah, i'd say
so. Yeah. I mean,I think, like I say, he
was whether we had the ball orwhether they had the ball, he was
he was writing the thick of it. And I think the amount of times

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that he broke up many United's approachesover the halfway line and and I say,
when when we had it, hewas always calling for it when he
received it, he was always lookingfor a positive possible to play and obviously
like when the when the moment wasneeded, he was he was running into
space, took a gamble and lashedin a a really important goal. But

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I think he's so exciting. Ithink he's like, say, let's see
how long he spends on the journeywith us. Hopefully, hopefully it's the
beginning with the long career of spurs. I think that's sort of part of
the play seemed to kick in toplay sort of one of the most sort
of action pack sequences from then,so like Anthony hits the post as well,

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and which could have changed the game, but instead of us kind of
like getting nervous about it or sittingback and trying to defend it as we
would have done, it seemed tobe the catalyst for us to sort of
attack even more the way that adoggie was underlapping and coming in and filling
the midfield of getting into the boxa lot, even Romero was getting into
the box a lot, and andin fact, at one point I think

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seems to remember sort of Romero sortof dancing through the midfield into more or
less into the box and playing aone two with Richie that then Sun knocked
onto a dogg and he nearly scored. It was just a beautiful play.
I mean, yeah, well,I mean what your thoughts and are sort
of the way we're sort of areinto play up there in that final third,
just so many great patterns of play, like you just kind of like

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watching again, like watching the watchingthe highlights. When I got home,
there were probably about five or sixmoves that I'd almost forgotten about in the
euphoria of the actual goals, wherelike say Romero dance skinning out, and
then Passumer and Song both had someruns of their own which they just had
the confidence to None of it looksjust lucky, does it. It looks
it looks like really well planned,and definitely I think I think it looks

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like, say, it looks wellcoached. It looks like everyone is looking
for these kind of pockets of spaceand they're they're aware of like yeah back
here, might come here or whatever. But also I think I thought what
was really notable as well is theseRomero's run, Song and Passumer who went
on their mazy runs as well.All of them were like it was almost

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like forward momentum was carrying them throughthem. It wasn't like kind of like
stop dribble, stop dribble. Itwas more just kind of like we're powering
forward, and they were kind ofjust slaloming in and out of Man United's
defense. And I think that boadsreally well, and there's one of the
most positive things that I'm most excitedabout. I think the way that we're
just like for momentum is just kindof you know, driving us, driving

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us on, and the players seemsto be loving it as well. You
know, there seems to be areal togetherness about about the squad suddenly,
which didn't necessarily feel like it waspresent most of the time last season.
Now, I'm also going to holdmy hands up that I probably was a
bit harsh and Vicario in in previouspods they're talking about the fact that for

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me at the moment, there's along way to go, but he just
felt a bit shaky, and Ijust did not get that vibe from him
at all. Today. I thinkhe really stood up the save from Casimiro,
so that point blank header was unbelievable. I think I think Roy Keane
had the audacity to say that onewas for the cameras. You know,
it was point blank that that youknow, No, that was a that

(29:00):
would have been, you know,a goal for sure. His reaction to
it is fantastic that I know aboutyou. But I feel we've got a
better keeper than Nana. Yeah,yeah, I mean that's that's saved.
Was was incredible. You know,it's just waiting for the net to bulge,
weren't we. I mean it wassuch a such a point blank header
and and you know it wasn't rightat him. He had to properly throw

(29:22):
his throw his arm up into theater, didn't me and say so, I
don't know what Roy Keane's all about. He's just the pantomime character now,
isn't He's like, he's pretty mucha character. You know, he's like
the Craig revel horball footballs and hethey've all got a role, hadn't they
now? The pundits. But butyeah, no, I think what was
also notable in the game was heseemed a bit more communicative with the defenders

(29:44):
than he had been, and heseems like almost like he's growing in confidence
in terms of his how comfortable he'sfeeling to to really dish out a you
know, bollocking or two when whenrequired. So yeah, I think he's
obviously perform is a big fan,and he wasn't the first choice as far
as we're led to believe based onthe earliest early so interesting rare. But

(30:08):
you know, we moved quickly.We got him in and it looks like
there's a really good goal in therenow, I think, yeah. And
then going back to a Doggy again, he burst again once more into the
box, passed it to Sonny's Ithink Sonny was desperately trying to sort of
beat a man. I think hesort of had to try and get past
about three or four players that werejust lining up to stop him shooting,

(30:32):
end up shooting into just one oftheir defenders. At that point, we
actually made the giggle in a kindof really positive way that a doggy was
then when absolutely mental, he waslike, you know, just he was
just show. But the fact thathe this, I mean, what is
he's nineteen or something twenty? Ishe a doggie twenty? Yeah? You

(30:52):
know, And but they feel confidentenough with each other to be able to
do that, and you can seethat desire in them, you know,
you do you get that feeling aswell that there's a real hunger in this
team now, Oh, definitely,definitely. I mean it seems like there's
a real just just a whole shiftin attitude and and and and overall squad
harmony by the bud look of it. And I think from from what I

(31:15):
can see, I think James Madisonis brought in a real a real sense
of kind of character and drive.I think he just seems, yeah,
just just like just what he said, what he does on the pitch,
but also how he is in theinterviews and on social media. He just
seems like such a positive influence butalso a very demanding one as well.

(31:37):
But like when you see him onthe pitch in terms of what he's expecting
from from his teammates. And Ithink that's like say that was evident from
from a dub as well. Youknow, Son certainly was losing it with
Kudeski a couple of times when whenhe didn't take the right option. But
you know, you can say it'sall it's funny, like what I always

(31:57):
kind of like to see how playerscelebrate when when when when when the team
scores, you know, not justthe scorer, but the teammates, and
there just seems to be a lotmore kind of real yeah together and just
want to see like people, yeah, that they're really they're really in it
and really in for it, youknow. And it definitely seemed like some

(32:20):
real, real camaraderie and togetherness ondisplay when we you know, both when
we scored, but also when thegame finished, there was a real sense
of mission accomplished and a lot ofmutual appreciation and respect amongst amongst the players
to each other, you know,going back to what you mentioned in Madison
there, it's almost like he's thought, you know what, I'm going to

(32:43):
be respectful pretty much no came isgoing and I am ready to be there,
you know, I'm ready to stepinto that those shoes. He backs
himself, doesn't he. He reallyyou know, there's there's a there's a
not an arrow guns, but there'sa real confidence of about him as a
player. I think he just feelslike, you know, him and spurs

(33:06):
are like handing glove, they go, you know, they go, well,
yeah, definitely, And it's yeah, given his his Twitter history,
which which all of course always getsbrought up out today and denied that he's
ever been a gooner. Yes,I saw that. But what was what

(33:28):
I really loved with his tweet afterthe game? Was it put common you
common u f in spurs on Twitter, which is kind of the most une
media trained or like, yeah,you just you just know he hasn't got
like some kind of agency running ishis account like probably like other players do.
And yeah, he's it's a bitlike Gareth Bale, you know,

(33:52):
just a player comes along and youjust think you were made for Yeah,
you made made born to play.Yeah, exactly at least. So No,
I'm really I'm really excited about whathappens with him. I just hope,
you know, talk about him havinga scan on his foot today after
left. I think he said thatwas just a precaution, wasn't it.

(34:12):
But you know, if we ifwe are testing out players still we could
go. We could use the salesI suppose, and he's up to it.
You know, I'm sure he wouldbe a good deputy. Yeah,
absolutely absolutely so, if I mayjust stick the boot in as it were
on one of their players, MasonMount. What a waste of money it

(34:32):
was anonymous, wasn't he I didn'teven realize he was playing. I tell
you forgot he was playing as well. I think I think in the build
up, you know, I didn'teven I didn' pay any attention to who
was playing yet to their line up, to be honest, I think,
you know, it was all aboutwho was playing for us and how how
we were going to kind of likeget behind the boss and and the team

(34:52):
in the first game the season,and yeah, like I say it only
afterwards, he just kind of watchthe highlights you think every good. Yeah
he was playing, Yeah he waspretty, but yeah he was. He
was absolutely bullied out, bulliant outthe game. And it didn't really do
much against Wolves either, So Imean it still early days for him,
of course. And obviously he's nota terrible player. And I think that

(35:13):
Fernandez was just you restricted to hisusual rolling around and complaining about everything.
And he's the captain, supposed tosay the example for the team, and
I thought he'd set a poor exampleif you asked me, Yeah, I've
got so little time for that guy. And I think we really dodged a
bullet when we when we didn't signhim to US. I think just from
his character and you know, hewas. He was complaining after us about

(35:36):
the what we thought we should havebeen a penalty from Romero which could have
been could have been given, couldhave been not. But I think,
you know, after after that,yeah, and after after what they got
away with against Wolves, I thinkit's yeah, it takes well, it
takes quite bass next to come outand complaining about officiating when we've got away
with one literally five days before.To that extent, I mean, maybe

(36:00):
I'm sort of getting ahead of myselfhere, as we will want to do
a spur for Hens. But butyou know, I don't I don't really
see them miles ahead of us.And do you do you feel that they
make top four or five ahead ofus? I mean, they started last
season pretty poorly and then kind ofgrew into it as it went on,

(36:21):
which obviously new manager kind of gettinghis ideas across to which can obviously account
for that. Whereas now they've hadhim for a year and a though they've
looked pretty pretty pretty average in theirfirst two games this season. I didn't
see it. I said, hedidn't see a team that we should be
scared of yesterday, And as Imentioned earlier, like the difference between the

(36:43):
way we played and approached the gamein compared to how we played against them
under Conte, where we just lookedmany. You know, it's many against
boys, and you know their teamhasn't particularly changed much since then, and
and you know we obviously had areshuffle and it could have been any more

(37:04):
different really, So it's how wewe took them all. And yeah,
I can I can see us finishingtop four, probably ahead of ahead of
the likes of Man United as itstands. Obviously two weeks time after we've
lost the Bournemouth and then Burnley,I'll be yeah, he's hang out.
Maybe changed my mind, yeah,yeah, but no, certainly in terms

(37:25):
of how it looked cool. Sothen Martinez scores and O G. I
thought at the time I was watchinghow Davis had actually scored, and everyone's
gone, who scored that? Whoscored that? Davis? And they said,
you've got a guy next to me, You've got good eyesight. I'm
telling you it was Davis, andit came up. I think they were
confused at the beginning, weren't theyannounced it was Davids that had scored.

(37:50):
He did that and look him backat it because a few people said he
didn't even touch it, but actually, yeah, the faintest, the faintest
touches. But it then was basicallyan own goal by Martinez. But he
you know, we we we madethem concede their own goal, and that
basically much finished the game that youknow, they felt that party atmosphere them.
But up to that point, wereyour tents at all during the game.

(38:12):
I don't think I was. Ithink I think I feel more tense
watching us when we're trying to defenda one goal lead, and I think
the fact we were going for it, you know, we had we had
a chance, I to chart inthe Dolly assumer Son all all our chances
and then obviously goal machine Davies isthe one who turns up. And I

(38:34):
think the fact it was the factour left back, it was the guy
who kind of was running into thepenalty area to receive that ball. Was
sorry the Superstars joined us from daughter. I guess yeah. I think Davey's
charging into the into the box,forcing forcing that goal basically was was It

(38:58):
was a really great sign in termsof how we o're playing as well,
and you know that game under previousmanagers, we're cleaning on the dear life,
probably conceding a late equalizer and youknow it's no cane, no problem.
We'll just share the goals out amongstthe defenders instead of exactly, we'll
just make their team scoring for us. Yeah see, I mean yeah,

(39:22):
so after that, I just feltthat there was such a you know,
already there was a great atmosphere,but it was just I mean everyone around
me was just hugging and cuddling andkissing, and it just felt great.
You know, it really was that. That's what you go to the games
for, isn't it, you know, just to be able to let you
know, just just feel that you'veseen your team give everything and you know,

(39:45):
like you say, it's going We'regoing to have sometimes where it's not
going to go forward us, butat least you feel that they have tried
the best they could and they reallyput everything into it, and there's no
doubt about it. Whatever the resultwas today, and we probably all were
expecting a draw. I think alot of people predicted a draw. We
just wanted to see some really goodfootball and we got both today. So

(40:07):
yeah, yeah, absolutely, Ithink Yeah, the atmosphere at full time
whistle as well in the in thebars, in the just in the concourses
after as well, and it's justlike full on party mode and and and
I just it just felt like quitea quite a watershed moment and almost like
a symbol of, hopefully a symbolof the rebirth of of Tottenham after the

(40:30):
last few years of basically just havingmanagers and a style of play that you
know, it's got us, It'sgiven us some good moments. We've had
some really good moments and some goodgood some some decent performances at times,
but we just have not been playingthe Tottenham way. And we know we
get from our foot from from rivalfans for going on about the Tottenham way

(40:52):
and and the way we should playfootball and being so focused on the way
we play ahead of results or whatever. But sorry, that's just the way
it is. And we we're we'rewe want to go and see football played
in a way that isn't boring theother team to death and something or our
fans. I mean, do youknow what last season, Like you alluded

(41:15):
to it earlier, I was goingto games to see friends. I wasn't
going to kind of expecting to beentertained or to watch aig their own game
of football, Whereas now I justfeel like, you know, I can't
go to I can't go to SheffieldUnited because it's my mother in law's birthday
do and the next same game afterthat isn't until the thirty September, which

(41:37):
is Liverpool, and I've got withdrawalsymptoms already. I'm just dying to get
back and I'm not going to bethere. I'm gonna be in Santorini,
so I'm gonna have to watch itfrom from a bar in Santorini. But
I would like to be at thegame. Must a bit, but still
yeah, but yeah, talking aboutyou know, the rebirth is almost like
a phoenix from the flames or maybea cooker Borough from the flames or it's

(41:59):
a yeah, it isn't, yeah, but but it does feel. It
does feel like we are we areat the start of something. I think,
you know, it feels a lotof hope. And talking about hope,
should we get I'll get you towax lyrical about Basuma because that guy
is you know, he just feelswell, I mean, they're not the

(42:22):
same player from what Conte was tellingus we had last season too, how
he is this season he's just Imean, if Cassader's worth one hundred and
fifteen, what's this guy worth?Mm? Yeah, I think when from
the very beginning of preseason training heseems like he's had a smile on his

(42:43):
face and he's feeling ten feet tallerand probably ten stone lighter than he was
last season. He's he's he's absolutelyseems like he's been buzzing from from all
those social media channels and all thekind of preseason friendly he's just the kind
of vibes seem to have about himcompared to Yeah, it looked like quite
sudden figure at times last season.I was really excited when when we signed

(43:07):
in My thought, yeah, withkids, kids, the kids that I've
got it, sorry telling kids atthe age minor, I barely get to
see much other football than my ownteam these days. Of definitely got to
pick my battles when it comes towatching watching football. So I hadn't seen
too much of a pursumer of thanwhat we've seen against when he played Spurs

(43:31):
and on more than one occasion he'sbeen the best player on the part when
when we played Brighton and I wasreally excited to be getting getting that guy
and we definitely didn't see him lastseason, and I think it's just a
travesty that but Conte didn't play himand that he only got a few minutes

(43:52):
here and there, rather than actuallyany kind of flawn period in the in
the team, we're actually seeing theguy who I thought we were signing original
a year on. But it's just, let's just say, like the fact
that you just knew it was comingas well, given as I said,
just given given his his positivity andthe way he's been carrying himself since since

(44:13):
preseason started. He just looks likehe's a man on a mission and he's
kind of hit the ground running,and you know, I can't wait to
see what he does this year.And I think that also is kind of
feeds into the difference between posta Cooloand Conte. Whereas Content was just throwing
the players under the bus all thetime and saying, you know, they
don't want to play under pressure,they don't want to play, you know,

(44:35):
they don't put in enough for theteam and all this kind of stuff,
and he was really kind of basicallyshifting everything off himself and then saying
people like Bissumer tactically hasn't picked upthe game. Well, I mean,
it really does shed light on thefact that this guy was mister cell preservation
and the massive difference. I saidthis too rich. And the last part

(44:55):
is that you know, you youreally see the Postcod is a proper leader.
He's not a manager and micromanager.He's the guy that shows the way
and takes the responsibility and shoulders thatresponsibility. And if there's parts of the
game that we're not quite doing wellenough, he's saying this on me,
you know, I'm still not yetto communicate that, and and you know,

(45:19):
and to help them to ingrain that. And you just feel the players
are released because they can see thatthose difficult sides, which are you know,
which are to be expected, he'she's shouldering the blame for, but
the goods things he's given them thepraise for. And I think that's that's
allowing them to kind of flourish andto you know, to really you know,
to hopefully sort of you know,fly from here at this point.

(45:44):
Really, yeah, absolutely, he'sjust he's just the way he speaks,
like you say, there's a breathof fresh air compared to the riddles.
The kind of outbursts and like say, the passing the boat, not taking
responsibility. If it went wrong,it was because they didn't do what I
said, rather than what we're gettingnow, which is, you know,

(46:06):
and obviously, like when we doget a shell accing at some point,
which I'm sure we may well do, be interesting to see how he how
he handles that. But certainly he'snot taking He's not. He just seems
very humble guy. And he's,like you say, he's he's an actual
leader, not a not a micromanager. He's someone who's obviously stamping his personality

(46:28):
and authority and and whatnot on theon the group of players, and not
just a group of players, aswell as the club, on the club
itself. And because we're following,aren't we Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And
I think he's it's just a worldof part I'm still I'm still kind of
like pinching myself a little bit abouthow how much the Viber and the club

(46:49):
has changed. Given let's let's behonest. I don't know about you,
but you know, he wasn't myfirst choice. You know, i'd heard
good things about him because I've gotfamily that live in you know, that
live in Scotland, and many ofhim said, you know, really really
spoke highly of him. But youknow, we all probably wanted what's his
name that, yeah, the Pochettinoback or maybe naglesman. We wanted another

(47:15):
sort of bigger name, I suppose, but uh yeah, but now it's
easy to say with hindsight, isn'tit. But but now now I'm so
glad we got this guy. Hereally feels like he he wants it to
happen, and he seems to fitus so well. And I suppose that's

(47:37):
what's so refreshing. Like you saidearlier on, you know, he's not
He definitely does not feel like he'sdoing us a favor. He keeps talking
about the club, doesn't he asthis massive club? You know this?
Uh you know this this this basicallythis this giant that deserves more. Yeah,
And Steve Steve Peerman said on morethan one occasion that he gets Birkenshaw

(47:59):
vibes off him with regard to like, yeah, being you know, a
bit of an authoritarian, but ina in a way that kind of allows
yeah, but still kind of Threeplayers have to do what they're good at
and and and just not not notbe micro managing every move the player.
But he also he also seems tojust have some of the best He's very

(48:20):
like a cleer and affable, isn'the as well? He's got a bit
of Martin y'all vibes about him,and and I just think he just has
some of some of some of thenicest characters I think. I think I
when I see a Spurs manager,I just expect them to be someone who
carries themselves well and to be agood, decent human being. And yeah,

(48:43):
I don't think we've had that tothe last few years. And I
think he just comes across with someonethat I really like, really root for,
really feel proud to see and chargeof my club. And he's only
been there to competitive games. Butlike I say, I know a few
Celtic fans who as well, whohad been who would never stated that he
left, and just cannot speak highlyenough of the guy and of the football

(49:04):
that was played played under him,because when when he arrived there, it
was like, you know, kindof like Christian Rose Arsen Venger, who's
this kind of kind of front kindof moment, and and he absolutely turned
it around for them, very veryquickly, and convinced them to join him
on his journey with the club,and now they're absolutely gutted that he's left.

(49:25):
But it's their losses are a game. So should we look forward then
to the next game, so we'vein fact, actually before we do that,
let's just quickly sort of touch uponthe fact that we've got probably a
couple of weeks left of the window, and obviously we do need to get
shot of a few players, thesuperstars back. That's all right, she's

(49:49):
probably got, you know, somepretty good opinions. To be fair,
I'll get her on the next time. Do you think that you know we'll
be able to ances squad up oror you know or do you think and
will be ruthless enough to say,look, if we can't get rid of
a few, we're going to sendthem to the under twenty ones, or
because we really do have a bloatedsquad, how how do we juggle this

(50:13):
last two weeks if we if wecan't get rid of them. Yeah,
I mean, like you say,you'd hope that if we if we do
struggle to get rid of players,you hope that wouldn't be it wouldn't be
so black and white as to beright when that goes. We can't sign
x X player, you know,properly a new striker. So I think
Richardson definitely needs some some proposition upthere from a number nine perspective. And

(50:37):
I think we're all looking at youGift orban as a as a possible possibility
based on his numbers, and certainly, yeah, you'd hope that we'll get
Yeah, we've just lost thirty leaguegoals, been as much we can Richardson
school one last season, as weall know, so you know, we

(50:59):
hope that we will be be spreadingthose goals out around around the team more
and more attacking start of play.But I do you know, I'd be
really disappointed we don't, you know, side a striker before before the end
of the trans window. Just itjust seems like we've got certain players who
just will never leave. I mean, there's talk to die just whatever come

(51:20):
hell or high water. Just wantsto see his contract out, do you
know, do we It seems quitecruel to just to rip his contract up
and say Tadar because you know,he's been a good servant over the years.
And I don't I don't like,you know, a lot of the
you know the hate that he's gettingbecause he does you know, he does
really like the club. He's beena great servant. It just doesn't fit
this system at all. There's noneeds for some fans have seemed to be

(51:44):
so so so vicious towards him becauseyou know, he, well as a
human being, let alone as aas a Tottenham player, doesn't deserve that,
no, exactly. And I thinkyou know, Twitter or x and
Instagram and just become more and morecesspit like in the last few years.

(52:04):
I just think the abuse these guysget from from other fans, letting their
own fans is is just horrific.And like Eric Dier is as being with
us what nine years now, He'shad periods where he's played extremely well.
He's had periods where he's played notso well, and you know, he

(52:27):
certainly had a period last season whereevery mistake he made seemed to lead to
a goal and that led to himgetting internet from from from a lot of
people. I think he is someonewho plays best when he's when he's when
he's got a settled team around him, and probably when he's not being put
under constant pressure like like he certainlywas the times when we played a more

(52:50):
defensive style. But you know,you think about like Michael Dawson for example,
you know, everyone looks back athim very fondly, but he had
you know, when he wasn't withEddie King, he looked a lot more
vulnerable as a defendant, and hedid when when when he was with a
partner who got the best out ofhim. And I just kind of feel
like it diers similar in terms ofif he's if he's playing with with the

(53:12):
right teammates and in the right system, he's a really good player. We
look at you look at Sandras ascase in point. I mean, even
though I think he still will gothis system suits him better, and all
of a sudden, he looks likea completely different player. Yeah, absolutely.
And you know Sacha's is another onewho like can have some yeah pretty
pretty pretty hairy games where he lookshe looks totally out of place, and

(53:34):
then he can he can play reallywell, like when he came in against
Arsenal in that three nail season fourlast I think Mammero got injured just beforehand
and Sacha slotted in and he hadhe had a great game. He played
really well for that for that wholelast part of that season, I think
remember early so, but you know, regardless of how you play, I
just think you just cannot give peoplethis level of abuse and it just makes

(53:58):
you I just despaired, to behonest, I think I hate the way
social media brings out, brings outthe worst in people and who now feel
like they've got a direct line toAnd yeah, people have said that,
you know, the atmosphere in theground. I know, I know there's
been some you know, some prettyuncomfortable doing of Sanchez and Royal in the

(54:20):
last the last six months or so. But I just think what happens on
Twitter and what happens in the groundand when the batcrip lines are just such
different. Yeah, I think that'svery much worth remember. And actually that
is it is an echo chamber,and what happens on Twitter is not representative
of the of the whole experience ofthe of the fan base. So but

(54:42):
yeah, so that problem still remains, though what do we do if we
can't shift them. I'm not surethat's going to be a difficult one for
him to deal with. I think, as usual, he will deal with
everything brilliantly, but I'm not surequite how you'll deal with that squad if
we can't get rid of those players, whether you will ask them to train
with the under twenty ones, orwhether you'll somehow, you know, because
because we can only register a certainamount of players, we're going to be,

(55:04):
you know, a point where wewhat do we do? You know,
I'm not sure, but that's that'sa that's a difficult conundrum. Hopefully
we do manage to shift them inthe coming weeks, and that's probably why
he's saying that's a priority. Yeah, absolutely, And I think, like
you say, you just you justhope that if we can't shift them,
then yeah, if they have togo and see them the twenty ones,
that they have to play outside ofthe squad for the season, then so

(55:28):
be it. I mean, Idon't know the interest season, the ins
and outs of how contracts might work, and how, yeah, how the
con views the assets and things,but certainly from a playing perspective, I
would find that I just hope thatwe don't end up sacrificing the ability to
sign somebody who can make a realdifference to the first team because we can't
shift someone who probably isn't going toplay for us much. If at all

(55:50):
anyway, Yeah, absolutely, soshould we look forward to the finish off
with actually the Bournemouth game. Idon't think this one's going to be as
easy as people might imagine. Ithink they're improving, they bought well.
Do you think we'll test out someof the squad a bit more with this
game or do you think we'll kindof stick to the players that we've seen
so far? Look more or lessthere might be a bit of a bit

(56:16):
of rotation. I think. Ithink the fact we've just got no Europe
this season means that we're probably morelikely to play a much more settled,
a settled team in the league.But who knows, you know, I
have no idea. I didn't expectto necessarily see Horror starting on Saturday,

(56:36):
and he did. You kind offeel that Star is as very much overtaken
Skip now as that in that rolein in in central midfield. I hope
Madison is going to be fit.If he's not, like you say,
then you know, maybe Let's alsocomes in and hopefully does what he does

(56:59):
for Agentina. And by the way, I actually apparently in a few weeks
time we might even have Benton carback. Yes, mid September being told so
yeah, and that suddenly makes amidfield look absolutely outstanding the options that we
have. So yeah, I thinkit's it's just looking so positive, isn't

(57:21):
it. And I think going toa game like foremost, you know,
we hope we're just going to gofor it. Play. Yeah, we're
better than their man for man,we're should be better than them as a
as a unit. And there's noreason why we why we can't go there
and and do things in a verydifferent way to how we did away from

(57:42):
home and the last two managers.Yeah, absolutely, So can I give
you ask you for a score prediction? Three one, three one Yeah,
I'm going to say two one,so yeah, Okay, Well, on
that note, I'm going to justquickly do a plug for redemption. We

(58:07):
got along there on Saturday, andif you are at the next home game,
give them a visit. They area really good place to go to.
There's some nice little micro breweries allaround that little kind of colder stack
area. And on that final note, I will say good evening, and
Kois you know there's no place onit as I would I wouldn't want to

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be Ryan here, and you knowin this winner of trying to bring success
to one of the biggest football clubsin the worlds. The basic under line
principles that they one my team toplay football that scares a life out of
every opposition. That's that's kind ofthe end game.