S4 E07 - The Double is On

Ritch Grove and @leebrown2 chew the fat over Fulham away, transfer window round-up, Burnley away, hopes for the future...

Episode Transcript

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Yeah, there's no place. Iknow if I would, I wouldn't want
to be right here. And youknow, in this winner of trying to
bring success to one of the biggestfootball clubs in the world, the basic
under line principles that, yeah,I want my team to play football that
scares a life out of every opposition. Mate, that's that's kind of the

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endgame. Welcome to the Barside Spurspodcast and today joining me once again is
Rich. How are you doing,mate. I've heard you're very very busy
man. I'm a very busy man. I'm a very warm man as well.

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Today mate, I think you're abit of the same. Yeah,
I'll tell you what I'm doing thisfrom the bottom of my garden in my
summer house stroke pub, which I'veconverted into a pub. But I could
fire playing here at the moment.I'm losing a pound a minute, I'm
sure. So yeah, yeah,it's it's it's it's tough, but you

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know, we have to do whatwe do to get a pot out,
so you know, we are soldiers. Yeah, yeah, never have a
doubt our dedication. So well,I thought what we do is we're sort
of going kind of chronological order,so the last time we spoke. There's
been a fair bit that's happened sincethen. I don't think we've talked about
the Fulham Away Cup game, havewe? So I think we must deal

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with that shit show. Were yousurprised by the amount of changes, rich
I was surprised by quite how muchdifferent it was. And I think I
said at the time, you know, fucking I've got to watch the cells
in a spur shirt again, youknow that. And in a minute I
saw that, I thought we've hadit here, you know, and low

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and behold that's what came to pass, you know. Yeah, Yeah,
it was yeah, too much,wasn't it. It was, in fact,
if I just quickly sort of readthrough what that team was, just
to remind ourselves of it. Imean, I was hugely surprised, forced
to Ngoal Royal Sanchez, Van Derven, Davis Hoiberg, skip the sel So

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Solomon, Richarlison, Parisitch pretty much, you know, apart from two players,
a completely changed team. And inthat last part when the three of
us were on it with with Paul, yeah and we and I remember saying
I'd be amazed if he makes wholesalechanges, because it won't be a good

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look if we if we messed thatgame up, and lo and behold,
I'm surprised that that that's that's probablyhis first misstep, if you ask me,
Yes, I think it unfortunately farmore important than the actual Cup itself,
although I do think it would havebeen probably a sensible move for them
to have gone for that, youknow, because it's a relatively straightforward thing

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to get into the final of thatcompetition. There aren't that many games for
a club like us, and youknow, I thought, you know,
we should have thrown a bit atit. But I think more important than
actually going out of the coupies thathe's burned up a lot of that optimism,
hasn't Hey yeah, yeah, youknow. I mean that's the real
cost, isn't it? Totally?I mean, I mean, I know

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he came out afterwards and said withoutEuropean games, how do I assess these
players? But personally, I'm notsure I buy that excuse. Do you
see it as an excuse or ordo you think he's you know, that's
quite being realistic. I don't know. I mean, I want to be
fair to him and say, youknow, I don't think he's fielded a
team that he thought we're going tolose. I think he's obviously seen enough

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in training and in substitute appearances tobelieve that they were would have been a
cohesive enough units to term full ofmoment. But I mean it smacks a
little bit of I don't know,after the event, you know, and
I guess that's to be expected.I I don't know. I think he
would have been far more sensible tohave not done it. But I can

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see the point, you know,if I'm not going to sit here and
say, oh, he's definitely talkingbollocks, because he has still only had
a handful of games as manager,and some of those players, you know,
I mean it was you know,Sanchez has now gone. You know,
one or two of them players wesaw we should probably not see again.
I doubt some of them will makethe Premier League twenty five when it

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comes out, and maybe, youknow, that's the value in it.
I mean, it would have beennice if he'd have not done it,
But I suppose we should give himthe benefit of the doubt, shouldn't.
I mean, so far, he'sbeen a very open and truthful sort of
person. So if he says thatthen maybe we have to kind of take
him out his word and think,well, you know, he does have

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a limited amount of games. Perhapsmaking so many changes wasn't the right thing,
and maybe he won't do that again. But you know, he he
may have actually thought Fulham would dolikewise, and they didn't. They filled
it a strong side, So Imean, but we have to say,
you know, with that in mindas well, we did lose it on

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penalties, you know, and theydidn't did They didn't beat us in open
place. So although we've gone outof that cut and although to be fair,
you know, they took the leadand it was it was I mean,
I've blanked it from his memory ingreat big sways, but for what
I can remember, it was awoeful performance throughout. Really. Yeah,
you know, they didn't actually beatus in open play, did they?

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So he didn't get that wrong becausepenalties. He is a bit of a
lottery you know. Well, Imean, yes and no, he did
have to bring on basically the cavalry, didn't they him. He brought on
what fight of five subs in theend, I believe it was so a
whole raft of subs eventually came on. Richie got a goal, hallelujah,
and then was hooked and then washooked. Yeah. I mean his overall

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game wasn't great, was it.But he you know, he's a nice
cross by a parasitch and and hecouldn't miss that one, you know,
So at least he got that Andrew'sbelt. But but I think the fact
that he made so many subs,I think he realized that this was drifting
away from him. We got backinto it, as I said, with

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Richie's goal, and we did lookthe more likely of the two teams to
nick the winner, but they werepretty resilient with their full strength side and
they took it the pens and thenlo and behold who misses the pen?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that'sa shame really because I know we'll talk
about him later on because he hasgone, and I will say I am

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glad, but but but I dofeel for the guy. I mean,
at least he had the corners toget up and take the penalty. But
why did he take one? Yeah? I mean was there some talk about
somebody else sort of? I mean, no, I don't want to I
don't want to take one, youknow. And and if that's the case,
like who was it. Yeah,yeah, yeah, shame exactly this,

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you know, I mean you dohave to feel for him because he's
had his faults as a player,and he's never been quite what we don't
that he would be. But he'salways putting his shift, and he's always
his attitude has always been good,and he's never shitty like even even in
that game, he never shirks whathe's asked to do. You know,
no exactly that, you know,and and and and he actually had a

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reasonable game in that, you know, in that match, and you know,
stepping up to take the penalty,the third penalty. He didn't have
to do that. He probably knewhis days were numbered at the club.
But but you know, he steppedout in considering like you said, at
one point, I think in onematch he was actually booed onto the pitch,
let alone being booed off it.So I think that shows that there

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is a there is a you know, he's got some character and and and
you know I did feel him atthat point. I felt, you know,
I did tweet straight after that youknow, these you had the balls
to step up and take it.So you know, in case a rare
penalties are you know, there's thecliche goes a lottery, but you know
we only missed the one penalty.It could have gone either way. Oh

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well, you know it's over.I mean it's over. Yeah, and
it's done. And it's a shame, you know. I mean, you
know, if we're talking in cliches, there are no easy cups and so
we can't say if we stayed init that we'd have we'd have beaten Liverpool
or City or whoever it is thatends up getting into the final on the

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other side of the draw. Butbut I do think it's a bloody shame.
I do think it's a missed opportunity. Yep, absolutely mate. So
if we just do a quick sortof roundup of the transfer window, because
that's sort of chronological order, that'sthe one that follows next really, so
we got in overall the Caio VanDerven, Solomon, Madison, Brennan,

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Johnson and Philips and Valise and youprobably can count with Doggy although he kind
of technically acquired him the year before, but he turned up out the door
though Sanchez and Dumbbelly, Tanganga,Winks, Ragulion regular on whatever you want
to say it, Spence and Rodon. We still don't know about Lourice,

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what's happening with him. That's aninteresting one. But pleased overall at that
or I do you think we're abit light still? I mean I was
of the mind a bit like Handridsaid. You know, it was more
important to get shot of some players. I've gotten quite happy with who we've
got in. You know, itwould have been nice to have had one

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or more others in, but Isuspect they'll be working on that towards Christmas.
I mean, I suppose there isan element of and is still assessing
where he thinks we need to recruitand to go out and almost panicked by
on the back of selling Kane nowwould probably be a mistake. We are

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light up front, aren't we.I mean, you know, Richarlison is
still got a huge question mark overhim, and I'm sure we'll come to
him again son without wanting to sortof move it on. You know,
son Loo looked a much better playeron Saturday, so you know we've got
options up there, but it wouldhave been nice to have had somebody sitting
on the bench perhaps. You know. The one that I missed was did

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Scarlett go out on loan in theend. Yes, Actually he did,
didn't he. I think he wentto Ipswich I want to say. I
think because he played the other nightand I was supposed to see it because
it had been a Dune deal already, you know. Yeah, and and
and Divine. I think he's goneout as well to port Mine has gone
to as has a divine gone toport Vale? Is that why? I

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think? So? Yeah? Yeah, suddenly a Tottenham fan or something.
Yeah, yeah, that's That's raiseda few sort of eyebrows, isn't it
that one? Because I messaged afew friends about that one, and a
couple of sort of Chelsea fans thatI know a bit really hard on that

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one, and we're just saying itis the most embarrassing piece of crap they've
ever seen in their lives. AndI'll come on, it's like a bit
of fun. But you know,yeah, he's a Port Veil fan,
but you know he's I think hewas desperate. Isn't he just to sort
of ride on the coattails of havinga football song that's his su sung out
of ground? Yeah yeah, wellyeah, along my diodest with all the

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other things that make us cringe.If you've got Chelsea fans telling it,
telling you it's embarrassing. I thinkmy retort to that would be, it's
far more it's far more embarrassing watchingyour players push people off the subway in
France. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Would he make of the
fact that he got a kits sentto him today from you know, for

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him and his wife and his kids, and Tottenham basically just did, like,
you know, one of those kindof unboxing things and they showed him
doing that given free bees to them. I know a few people have kind
of raised their eyebrows of the factthat, you know, millionaires are getting
free bees from Spurs. But whatdo you feel about that? Well,
millionaires always get free beesn't don't they. I mean, if you have anything

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to do with the wealthy, whichI do for work, you know,
it's one of the great ironies ofthe world. And if you can afford
to buy things, people give themyou for nothing. Yeah, and so
I mean I don't really think anythingabout it at all. To be honest
with you, I don't care atoss either way, you know, I
mean, I know on our group, you know, Sarah made a very

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valid point about you know, theclub if they wanted to create goodwill and
decent content, Actually they could doa lot better and have be a lot
more ethical about it in giving kitsto club members and to actual fans and
stuff, and if they want togenerate the content doing that, And I
totally agree with her on that.I think that would be a really good
thing to do. But you know, unfortunately the world we live and there

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is very little kudos to be gainedfor for organizations giving things to working class
people is no exactly and for companieslike this, I don't agree with it,
but you know what I mean,it's like that I understand why they're
doing it. It's a it's youknow, brand building, empire building,
whatever you want to call it.Basically, it's a you know, maybe

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there are fans and here's that aren'tactual football fans that will then kind of
join and get involved with Spurs andyou know that, you know, it
lends some sort of credibility, youknow when you think about it, like
you were saying, really that,you know, it's always the rich people
that end up getting these freebees,you know. You you talk about film
stars who go along to these junkkits or go along to press stuff and

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then they're given gift box sets fromGucci or something like that where they get
tens of thousands of pounds worth ofstuff just to take away because they hope
they might wear it and be seenwearing it. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
you know, I mean it's it'sa symptom of the bloody world.
And you know, wait, thesystem. I couldn't give a toss rubb

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will Be Williams or can't even sayhis name with Robbie Williams. You no,
no, I mean, you know, I mean, let's be honest,
you know, let's not let's notthink that any of them that have
ever been seen at a football groundever have ever paid for anything. So
it's not a new phenomenon, isit. No? No, absolutely right.

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Was it Kardashian that was at theCup final or somebody like that,
I have no idea. Yeah,watching watching wooletch orever it was. They
made a big deal out of itanything. Yeah, I mean one week
they're wearing one shirt, the nextweek they're wearing another, and it's you
know, I suppose to be honest, you know, we mock, but

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it's probably a bit similar to us. If you go to the States,
you might buy yourself a you know, an next top, and then the
week after you might get a RedSox if you if you're in that area,
and you know, it's probably sacrilegeto those but they're but you know,
they they're just thinking, we'll picka sport, you know, pick
a team, pick a pick ayou know, an area. But you

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don't care, really, do you. Yeah, yeah, just scooping up
a few tops from your trip.Yeah, I must have met. I
went to I went to la Asyou know, earlier in the summer,
and the biggest shop that I sawin San Monica was the fucking British the
British souvenir shop. You've never seenanything like it. It was like it
was like an enormous fac simile ofa pub. It was called like the

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Old England Arms or something in thisshop, you know, and it was
all fucking union jacks and coffee boxesand yeah yeah, char on it like
you know, and I just justyeah, they love a bit of it.
Yeah, fish and chips. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah,

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getting back to the game, Ijust wonder that in terms of whether we're
a bit light, maybe the Cupgames showed that you know. But you
know, if I may indulge inanother cliche, Rome wasn't built in a
day, so we you know,we're just going to have to, you
know, take it step by step. But one of the things that I

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have been really impressed with, andI can't for the life of me think
where I've seen it, but Isaw someone talking about one of ange postacog
Blues biographical books where basically they weresort of analyzing how he goes about transforming
a club, and it was whatthe insights were very interesting, you know,

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not just about getting to know everybodyat the club from the tea lady
right through to the chairman and havingthat same kind of rapport with them,
but they're kind of you, ifyou like, I suppose, a bit
of a culture shocking in the rapidchanges that he makes at the outset to
be able to then kind of go, Okay, this is how we're going
to this is how things are goingto go. But equally, the players

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that he brings in the way hetalks from about the project and has plans
for them more and they really becauseyou listen to any of the players that
have come in, they all talkin a way that they were really very
very clear about what the if you'relike each their personal as we would probably
call it CPD. You know,they kind of you know, their professional

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development plans are going to be andthey and a lot of them have talked
about how they feel that and Ithink it was something that Mickey Van Derven
said today that he said, it'syou know, it's joyous at the moment,
he said, because before I evencame in that the manager said to
me, we're going to play thisparticular way. Explained that he says,
and you will make some mistakes tobegin with. You'll get better and I

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will help you to get better.But at the beginning, I'd rather you
make a few mistakes than kick theball out over the over the top of
the stadium three times. He said, I want to see you play and
play with the ball. And thatwas by all accounts music to his ears.
It's given him a lot of confidenceto think that, you know,
he you know, he's going tobe allowed to develop rather than just as

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we've seen the past, slaughtered publicly. Yeah, yeah, very much.
You know. I mean, I'minstantly reminded of the interview that Madison gave
not long after he signed, youknow, and they said, well,
you know, I guess it's itwas assumed as a question because I don't
remember actually hearing the question that wasput to him, but he said,
you know that he'd met and andAndrewd said to him, you know,

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whether you sign or not, thisis what I'm going to do to Tottenham
and this is going to be atotally different football club and a different and
he said, you know after heturned you know, well that was that
was the thing that swung it really, you know, and you could tell,
you know, I mean, itwasn't obviously it was a bit pr
and a bit like you know,towing the party line, but there was

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obviously an element of of of honestenthusiasm about it. And you could tell
from within that interview that the sparkhad been generated already, you know,
like you say excitement. I mean, I was thinking, after the only
game, they must be on cloudnine. It must be so like like
affirming that this guy's come in morefor the people that have been there the

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longest, but those that are partof his plans, that have seen CONTI
come and go. Maybe you knowa couple that were there for for Nuno
and for you know, the Portuguesebefore that. You know that they've,
like you say, they've been askedto sort of do a job rather than
actually be integral as an individual andas a human being. And that this

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guy's come in and gone right,I'm shaking this whole thing to its foundations
and it might take a while towork, but you're going to have to
bear with me. And of coursethey've got to invest a bit of faith
in that and say all right,well we'll try it, you know.
And I'm thinking of players like nawho by all accounts had a terrible year
last year. And you know,he's come in and this guy's gone right,
you know, we're going to dothis. We're going to throw it

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all up in the air. Stickwith me, and it's gonna work.
And three or four games in andaside from the Fulham game, well fuck
me, it's already working. Yeah. Yeah. And they must have come
off the field on Sunday thinking,yeah, we're really onto on Sunday on
Saturday, thinking we're really onto somethinghere. Yeah, he's got that,

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he's got that ted Lasso believe sign, isn't he in the in the dressing
room? Yeah, they will touchit before they go out. I mean,
I know some people have kind ofcommented. I've seen a lot of
you know, many people say whydid we get rid of Sanchez? But
I don't see so much as justyou know, he wants a shot of
him, even though you know he'slooking for that kind of turnover of the

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old guard. I think he's goneto a lot of the Bowel accounts.
And you know, I'm picking thisup from what people have said indirectly that
he's gone to the lot of theyounger teams and said, look, I
want to know who all of youare, and I promise you I will
know who you are and and ifyou're right for us, there will be

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a pathway. So he's insisted thatall the teams below play the same way.
And so when you get rid ofsome of the players like Sanchez,
then what that's doing, I suppose, is clearing a pathway. So even
because this isn't an immediate project,so you okay, we've got Phillips now,

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who's kind of you know, he'sa young player. But then someone
like Dorrington who may well step upin the you know, the next year
or two and if they're good enough, those those kids can see a pathway,
which is exactly what should happen.So I think it's it's all for
the positive. Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. And and of

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course, you know, without wantingto sort of throw everything backwards and into
the light of things projects and soon that have gone before. This has
been the problem for the last fouror five years, and it was also
a problem towards the last year ortwo of the Argentinians, right was that
that, you know, because Imean when he came in, he did
do that, you know. Imean he brought through players like Mason and

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bentleb you know, and and youknow, of course obviously Tim Sherwood gave
Harry Kane his first start, butbut you know, he became part of
the team the year afterwards. Butthere was that that sort of pathway,
you know, and players like MarcusEdwards were around it in that peak sort
of Postino era, and they weretipped to be and they were always on

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the edges, but they stopped gettingthe opportunities. And then when Jose came
in, it seemed to stop almostentirely. And with the odd exception players
like Skip, you know, theodd one or two, all of these
actually really very good players that ouracademy and our youth teams have been producing
never happened to go elsewhere to playfootball, and that made it. Yeah,

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they've we've seen them leave in drovesover years, and I mean,
if you look back to this summer, we were looking at potential replace,
you know, ways to sort offill some of the gap for when Kane
left. And even as far backas January when we bought Poro, people
were talking about bringing Marcus Edwards inas part of the deal. Well,
that was a player we let gofor next to nothing. In fact,

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I think we did let him gofor actually nothing, you know, when
you're still there, and they weretalking about buying him back for thirty million
quid And I mean, obviously wehaven't done that, but but that's the
sort of thing that you're setting yourselfup to have to do if you don't
provide that pathway, isn't it.Yeah? Absolutely, And it does feel
like the right thing. It doesfeel like a conscious thing that the club
has wanted to happen. Now,not just because you know it is the

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right thing, but you think ofthe amount of talent that we have lost,
and we tried to convince to stay, and they're like, well,
we don't believe it, so nowwe need to. Now we need to
show them, you know, thebest ones, that there is a pathway
and it is worth it. Sookay, let's let's get onto the the

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lovely burn versus Totten game. Itended up two five and her Son scored
a hat trick, Romero scored anabsolute rocket, and Madison scored once more,
but Burnley were one up within fiveminutes. What were you thinking at
that point, Rich, Well,I mean, quite luckily for my health

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and temper, at five minutes intothe game, I was still trying to
get my legal and safe access tothe to the to the footage. Of
course, hede legal and safe.So I only heard their goal to start
with. I didn't see it becauseI still had I still had had a
radio commentary on on on the phoneat that point. So yeah, but

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when it when I did sort ofthink of what we were saying on Friday
in the group chat, you know, because I'd looked at their form table
and I actually thought they'd started betterthan they had, and I, I
said to you, didn't I God, I didn't realize Burnley. But as
they and you said, that's it. They're going to beat us three deal
tomorrow, and and you know,when they scored, I thought, fuck

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it, we're right and we'll youknow this is going to happen now.
Well, I mean quite quickly Iwas able to secure, you know,
say, for the legal access tothe to the footage, and by the
time I was watching it, we'vewe've sort of broken them, broken the
press a bit, and we'd weturned around and from that point in it
was It's pretty easy sailing, wasn'tit. I think so. I think

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they just caught us cold a bit, didn't they that. You know,
it's a decent attack, but theyjust caught us a little bit flat foot
and a little bit cold at thebeginning. But after that, as you
say, you know, we startedto work the press and it started to
look a lot more solid overall withpatterns of play. We were starting to
click. After about sort of fifteenminutes or so, they were wide open.
I mean, I like the youknow, I admire the fact that

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Burnley have come up playing really attackingprogressive football, which has worked in that
division. At the moment, itfeels a tad naive, but you know,
that could also be because we wereso you know, strong, and
it's it's really starting. We're startingto find our gears now and go through
them. So by by the timewe get to halftime, we you know,

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we've got Son's beautiful chip shot thatwas so clever. I mean,
if he hadn't if it hadn't gonein, the other guy would have handbled.
It would have been a pen becausehe tried to swipe it and someone
beat the keeper and the player whoboth tried to stop the goal going in.
It was beautiful. And then ofcourse we we got Romero's kan esque

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absolute screamer, which you know thathad me off my chair, and we
were you know, blew blew themaway and in that second half. Really
sorry, in that first half,I should say, do what your thoughts
and those goals, I mean theywere both beautiful to what I mean,
they were wonderful, wonderful goals.I did think we were a bit wasteful

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in that first half, so itdidn't sound greedy like I think if we'd
been a little bit more, youknow, maybe if we'd have played that
match in those conditions in six oreight weeks time, we would have gone
in three or four in half time, you know, because I think we
had plenty of opportunities to just beatthe shit out of them before they got
half an orange. You know,do you know what, I'm glad you

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said that, Rich, because there'sa lot of talk around pastica glouse style
saying basically that's what he wants.He wants to, you know, for
want of a better phrase, tostep on their throat. Yeah, and
and and not to let them offthe hook at all, not to go
right. Okay, we've got thisone. Let's just sort of because then

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you start falling back into the patternshe doesn't want. We never give up.
We never give up, is hismantra. And so that wasteful thing.
Okay, that's actually still a positive. Yeah, yeah, the chances
yeah, exactly that, Rich,you know, and they will and once
it starts to happen, I thinkwe'll handily put away side like this like

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we did to you know, forthat game to be fair. But we're
Burnley ship or do you you know, what do you make them or that
we were so dominant? No,I thought I thought we were dominant.
I thought they were a little bittaken aback by how good we were.
I think they are missing some players. You know, you've got to be

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fair to them. They've had somesome changes. I think they've got a
couple of injuries. They've lost someplayers that they had on loan, didn't
they when they were in the championship. So you know, they're a work
in progressing themselves. And I thinkthey actually when they did come at us,
you know, there were one ortwo occasions where well, I mean
there was obviously two occasions where theydid sort of get through and score.

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I think there were other occasions wherethey looked actually quite dangerous on the break
through the middle of the field,and then they just seemed to I don't
know, they just him to panicor take one too many touches, or
there wasn't the right past, therewasn't somebody running into the space where you
would expect it. So, whetherit's personnel, whether it's because they're not

(29:11):
maybe it's you know, a changeof pace because the Premier League is quicker
than the Championship. That's the otherthing. You know that they would have
had the time in the championship tomaybe convert some of the chances that they
had at the weekend that they didn'tget the time to convert at the weekend,
largely because we've got the fastest manon Earth in as a center half,
now, you know. Yeah,and the next one Brennan Johnson.

(29:36):
Apparently he's lightning fast too. Ohgod, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I can't wait. Iabsolutely cannot wait to see this. Really,
where does he play there, Rich? Where does he play well?
I think he can play anywhere acrossthe across them. I think he plays
on the right, but he's justjust would you say, to cut you

(29:57):
their net that would you move Kuluto the left and put some one up
front and then bring Brennan Johnson in. I don't know whether Kulu would play.
I mean, I think there's anargument for moving Kulasewski around because I
think, you know, his effectivenessin that role has been somewhat diminished at

(30:19):
times. I mean, I'm youknow, of late. I mean,
you know, I mean, obviouslyhe's come back from that injury last season,
and whether or not he came backtoo soon, I don't know whether
or not. It's just a caseof having different options. But I mean
we're going to have a bit,you know, aside from the fact that
we I don't even know if weare crying out for a center forward.

(30:41):
But aside from the fact that we'vejust lost the center forward of all center
forwards, we've got, you know, a bit of a we've got a
bit of a what's an embarrassment ofriches really, you know, especially now
that Porrow seems to be finding hisfeet a little bit more as well,
you know, seen more origin signsfrom him lately. But but yeah,

(31:03):
I mean, the idea that wecould move kuisewski about. I think Son
is showing that he is far moreeffective in the middle than on the left,
isn't he. That's the thing we'retalking about. Embarrassment of Richie's well,
charliston was dropped and Son played upfront, and I wonder if that
will be something that we do goingforward now Richie becomes a impact sub or

(31:30):
is it just because Richie played theother day and he was just maybe a
bit tired and he'd you know,and we're just rotating. I'm not I'm
not sure it looked really well balanced. I don't know. I mean,
it's something I was going to askyou. You know the fact that I
haven't had a minute to sort ofdo any research and find this out is
you know, my own fault.But it was strange that he was up

(31:51):
so soon after scoring full on andI wondered, you know, has he
picked up a bit of a knockand was it a precautionary I think,
let be right, you know,I mean, obviously he came on.
I mean, I hope it's notsigns that he's he's falling out of favor
already. You know, I reallyhope that now, I you know,

(32:15):
referring back to what you said inthe last pod, rich I think you're
right. I think it's just goingto take time and I think he will
be fine. But but it buta lot of it is definitely in his
head. He's I don't know,he just need it, just needs a
few to go in. That's whatyou know. He's very I mean,
all strikers a confident strikers, eightplayers, I think, I mean,

(32:37):
Kane's maybe one of the exceptions thathe was like Shearing that way. He
just was so single minded. Butgenerally that that that role is for a
confidence player, and Richie more sothan most, I think he very much
seems like it really gets into hishead and and he just he's somehow he

(32:58):
needs to work that demon out.Yeah, yeah, I mean I do
hope that he gets the opportunity todo it, because I mean, by
all account accounts, he is aquality player. You know. If he
can find start finding the target,then then he is a hell of us
signing a year on, you know, and he offers us a lot more
pace than we'll have had there.You know, I don't know on a

(33:21):
head to head basis how much quickerhe is than some, but I imagine
he must be because you know,Son's nearly as old as I am now,
you know, so you can't bethat quick anymore. But yeah,
well, you know, it's oneof them. Perhaps it's horses for courses.
Perhaps perhaps he needs to be inin more you know, games that
are that are sort of more wideopen, and in that respect, Burnley

(33:43):
would have been a good game forhim. So I'm hoping that that it
is a precautionary thing that they resthim and perhaps before the next on rerecorded
podcast, I'll have to do betterat making time to find these things.
Well, he looked dejected, didn'tthey when he came off? And you
know, I think Romero with doinghis usual like smack him on the back
and all that kind of stuff.He loves us, belt people around usn't

(34:06):
he. But but he just youknow, the players are fully behind him.
I just think he's carrying the burdenof like really wanting to do well.
And you know what it's like.I mean, I think he's the
same in every single profession. Themore you want it, the less it
happens. Yeah, yeah, exactly, And you know this is it.

(34:27):
I mean I can remember many yearsago and right talking about goal scoring droughts,
you know, and about he alwaysused to see him saying, you
know, you've got to stop thinkingabout getting the ball in the goal and
start aiming at the water bottles thegoalkeeper lines up, and do anything apart
from think about the goal. Sperdermandused to say that you have when when

(34:54):
you have patches like this, you'vegot to kick everything out the goalkeeper.
Yeah yeah, and I think maybethat's just it. You know that that
is just it. Bridge. Ithink that you know, you, we
need to get you in there.I just to have a word with him.
You can be psychologist, because Ithink he just needs to just just
whenever he gets a chance to shoot. I mean, he's a bloody skillful

(35:14):
player. You know, he's gotgreat feet, he's got great technique,
he's got you know, he's gota lot to his game. I just
think maybe, like you said,just just have a I just have a
number of shots and then something thatwill go in and then he's going to
be off. Yeah. Yeah,yeah. Well, I mean it's a
bit like you know Rushford the otherday. You know, he was having

(35:34):
a really really quiet game and hehadn't done a huge amount and he scored
against Wallis by toe poking it intrue school playground fashion. You know,
my sort of style. That isone of those players that you push their
head and the footbolls and then itwould go anywhere. That's what It's one
of them lasts. Yeah, it'sa beauty. Yeah yeah, okay,

(36:00):
so let's look forward then, Well, sadly we got the international break never
I mean to be honest, I'mnot a big fan of the international breaks
anyway, but at the moment itjust feels like, oh my god,
we've got ages now to wait forangel ball. So I'm going to ask
you. They always seem to come. They never come as a blessing to

(36:23):
us. Do they know, youknow, some size they probably get injuries
as well. Yeah, well,you know, in some size they'll lose
four or five on the bounce,you know, and collectively they you know,
they like they couldn't score in thefucking bookies or what have you,
you know, and then they goon the international break and come back refreshed

(36:44):
and challenged and go on a winningrun. It always seems to happen in
the opposite direction for us that we'redoing. All right, they all fuck
off. They come back missing akneecap and you know, half a dozen
toads gone between them, and that'sit. We can't buy a win for
a month. I'm going to seeif you can avoid the swear jar.
Now, when was the last timethat we looked forward to a game that

(37:06):
we do? Now? You can't, can you? I can't, I
can't do you know? Actually,you know the funny thing about it is
it was It's not it's not beensince we left white Art Lane. No,

(37:28):
it's that, I mean, noteven him. It's that when we
because it all went belly up whenwe went to Wembley. Really yeah,
you know, I mean that's whenthe playing style changed. I always say
that I think it's because the Wembleypitch was loads bigger than the White and
so I think he had to tacticallyadapt that press to cope with a more
a bigger space, you know.But that's when I really first started.

(37:52):
I mean, obviously we had somebloody great wins when we were at Wembley,
and some of it was wonderful,but it's a soulless, bloody place.
And you know, even though it'sonly forty minutes from where I live,
it's you know, it was agreat trip in and out. It
was a horrible bloody place. Itwas like two hours there, two hours

(38:13):
back. And we had season ticketsas well for there, so it was
like, oh man, what awhat a I mean, you know,
fortunately we had some fairly decent gamesthere, you know, but it's it
was a schlept that's for sure.I had I had a season ticket that,
you know that while we were thereand all, and I remember as

(38:34):
being there, I remember what wasthat that day we played Cardiff I think
we beat them too nil and NeilWalnut was the manager and one of their
lads nearly cut somebody in half witha tackle and then Walnut. Walnut was
complaining because he got booked, youknow, that game, and it was
passing down with Ray and my mateChristmas out there, sat on our programs
that had turned to papier mache andall the wedding because through yeah, those

(39:01):
bottom levels weren't there. Yeah,absolutely, it was bouncing off the ground
was now that I remember, that'ssome the whole time up for me.
And so to answer your question,like it won't since before we went there
that I really looked forward to gointo a game or watching a game,

(39:22):
because we did play some fuck awfulfootball under the last eighteen months of Potch's
reign. We had some bloody luckywins. We had some really big wins
that we really shouldn't have had.You know, it was it was not
really a nice watch for a while, and obviously everything that came after that
has been just a bloody disaster.I mean there was a brief window last

(39:45):
you know, when when Conte firsttook over. You know, I went
to an awful lot of those gamesin that sort of half season that he
did, and there was a briefin window when that was quite good fun.
But it was only a brief Yeah, yeah, I agree, But
at the moment, I mean we'lllook ahead to like how everyone's viewing ange.

(40:07):
But but but I think you're you'reright, it's like currently it just
feels like this stadium it's had itsmoments, but it's never quite yet felt
like home. Fully. There's lotsabout it that is, you know,
you know, in terms of theway it's been put together, and you

(40:29):
know, the attention to detail tothat with the old stadium being part of
the you know, the flooring andeverything like that, but it's not quite
yet felt like the same way thatwe felt like when we had the other
you know, when we're in theold white Hart Lane. No, sorry,
got mate, I was gonna say, like, you're very dangerously into

(40:49):
my academic territory here, so you'llhave to tell me to shut up,
you know. But I mean,there is a process of it's a kind
of grieving that people go through whenthey lose as something like we do get
attached to these places and the samenot quite the same way as people,
but but there's a similar sort ofemotional connection. The phenomenon is so nostalgia
and it's like a physical embodiment ofgrief, you know. And as nice

(41:15):
as the new stadium is, youcannot take something that you have such an
emotional connection to, like White Laneand just plung a new thing there and
say, yeah, but the flawsmade out of the old one and expect
it just it has to go through. You have to go through that acclimatization
process. It's like if you ifyou move into a new house, you've

(41:37):
got to paint the walls and putcarpets down before it's home. You know,
you can't just open the front floorand go that's it, we're here.
And also you you know, youhave to make new memories, you
know, and special memories. Soyou know, it's like that. I
suppose anything that you know, ifyou move on to a new partner or
you as you say, a newhouse, there's got to be it takes
time because there has to be sortof for you know, and an emotional

(42:01):
baggage. I supposed that you haveto build up. And the stadium hasn't
quite had it yet. We've hadglimpses, We've had moments, but but
I do feel at the moment there'syou know, hopefully it lasts, but
there feels like a sense of hopeand sense of optimism. If that can

(42:23):
stay and we can build on thatand we can have those moments that we
were just talking about. Then itwill become home. Then it will become
you know, some somewhere that wefeel is our as a fortress whatever you
want to call it. But it'sbut it's it is just going to take
time. But it's starting to feelmore that way now because I suppose there's

(42:45):
that sense of optimism which are let'ssay, hope lasts. Yeah, I
mean, you know, it's inevitablethat good, bad or ugly will eventually
build an emotional connection to the place. Yeah, you know, we've had,
you know, some glimpses of it. I think the trouble with it
is is even the highlights that we'vehad there so far, with apart from

(43:06):
one or two notable exceptions, youknow, but for the most part,
the football has been fucking awful,you know. I mean, we've bought
Manchester City to death half a dozentimes, you know, but we haven't
played him off the park, youknow. You know, we we've done,
we've got we've we've taken a coupleof big scalps at home, but
we've nothing really that meaningful yet.And of course the other side of it

(43:28):
is there's all this sort of stuffthat goes with it that I don't know
what your experience of the stadium was, but when I first went there,
I had a season to get inthe what was the Paxton up in the
upper section there above the away fansin the corner, and the fucking stewards
were a nightmare. They were justa nightmare. And anytime we tried to
get anything going. I mean,this is ultimately how I ended up on

(43:50):
this podcast because I knew Jamie becausehe was the guy that was doing the
Paxton Upper trying to get an atmospheresort of little campaign thing, and that's
how I met Jamie and in theend what led me to the bar side.
But you know, it was sobad that in pockets of the stadium
and there were people like Jay thatWe're going around going, you know,
we do something about this. Andof course over a few years people have

(44:13):
gradually moved. You know, ifI go I generally go to a different
part of the ground now, youknow, and and you know, thanks
to my mate Dave, I tendto go down in the posh seats down
really nicely. I always used toset you know, east lower down by
the I mean I generally used tosit behind the fucking pylon, you know,
like I can never see what's goingon but in the reduced view seats.

(44:37):
But i'm that and they're now likethe post sheets down there. And
thanks thanks to you know, shoutto my mate Dave who who has helped
me get down there. That's improvedand people are doing that. They're moving
around the ground, they're finding eachother again, finding their little click,
building up new laws and that helps. And finally the club are listening.

(44:57):
That We did say this the lastpart, but it's worth it is worth
reiterating in case anyone didn't listen toit, that you know that they that
they they've listened to the fans,and they've created that singing section. They've
got the drummer back. I don'tknow if they'll use that trumpeter again.
I hope they do, because itkicked it off really nicely. And that
that game, you know, likeyou were talking about Jamie who tried to

(45:20):
get something going in the Paxton butit just they just wouldn't. They weren't
listening at that point, but nowthey seem to be. Let's hope that's
the beginning of it all. Becauseit does make a massive difference because they
whenever anything died down, that singingsections started up and the drummer then kept
it going. And the and theatmosphere is also you know, it is

(45:40):
I know, it's kind of likereciprocal and you know, or symbiotic whatever
you want to call it, right, but you know, they give us
something to to get excited about,and we give them something in return.
But but but they are, youknow, they're they're doing their part now
and you know, and it justand this coming is coming at the right
time, I think, and youknow, so so looking you know,

(46:04):
looking forward, it does feel likethey are more exciting times ahead. Yeah,
I mean, we've gone through abig transition as a club. We've
we've we know, we've we've rebuiltthe stadium, We've changed managers several times,
tried all of these, you know, these quick fixes that haven't fixed
anything. The team's rolled over,we've lost the superstar. We've got a

(46:25):
new superstar in the making with JamesMedison. You know, we've got we're
beginning to get some sort of teamidentity. We've got a manager that actually
sounds like he wants to manage theclub. All just seems like it might
just work. Yeah, now Iwant to believe, as Molder once said,

(46:51):
had so Yeah, I mean,I mean, you know, you
even look at the I mean thisis unusual. Like everyone, even including
the media, seems to love Vane. You know, we're getting this kind
of like following that they all wantto be called mate from him. And
you know, I don't know ifhe's them soften us up for when it
all goes tits up and they cangive us a good shoeing. But but

(47:12):
it doesn't. It kind of doesn'tfeel like that. It feels like,
do you know what, for thefirst time in a long time, perhaps
since right enough to quit and theswear job, but you know, since
Pottertino's early kind of like stint,when we were most people's second favorite club.
Yeah, we could be on theverge of that once again. Yeah.

(47:34):
I mean, it's an interesting thingthat happened today. I mean,
this is going to sound like anapocryphal story because it seems too convenient.
But I was teaching in the universitytoday and one of my very good friends
and colleagues there, Joe is awest Ham fan. Yeah, he's died
in the wall you know, hecan't help it. And I haven't seen
him since before the summer. Itwas the first day for a lot of

(47:58):
us back on site today and hesort of came trundling over and he was
going, oh god, you know, because of course they're up by us
in the table, you know.And I said, oh, have you
got in those bleed being up witha big boys, you know, And
he laughed and he was sort ofsaying, you know, we had a
bit of this about, you know, about Ward Prowse, and he was
going, you don't see them missHarry Kane, and we don't miss Declan
Rice, you know. And youknow there was a bit of friendly banter

(48:22):
and that, and and off itwent. Anyway. Later on, I
was sat in one of the tearooms working on me laptop and I could
hear Joe in the corridor talking toone of the other members of stuff about
football, and they did a bitabout you know, West Hammond and the
other guy's an Oxford City fan,and Oxford City are doing pretty well,
you know, their their conference now, they're only you know, they're a

(48:44):
good campaign away from being in leaguetoo. And then they talked about it
for five minutes and then the otherguy went to Joe, what about the
fucking Spurs though? He and Joewent, I know, and they played
and they didn't know I was.Joe's going, oh man, they playing
really well, fucking on that playinggood football. This is and he's a
proper died in the world west hamfot. Normally the only time you hear from

(49:06):
Joe is he'll send you an emailafter they've beaaten us. Oh yeah,
I mean, did any of thatto me? But of course not a
bit that. A friend of minethe other day he said, he said,
see, this is the thing aboutdeluded Spurs fans. He says,
worst hand, we think that youknow, we've got ten points, well
we're thirty points from safety, butyou think you're you're you're ten points nearer

(49:28):
the title. I said, yeah, because we're optimistic and you're defeatist.
I said, that's the difference.We have ambition, you have no.
Although, to be fair, becauseI've been around for a few years,
I do sort of look at itand get buy Christmas and go, well,
if it all goes wrong, weain't going to get relegated. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, maybe we shouldadopt that. Yeah, I used

(49:52):
to share a flat with a Charterfan about twenty years ago, back when
Charlton we're in the top flight,you know, and we used to have
like a standing like a sweep steakin the flat about who would reach forty
points first. And I'll tell youwhat it was often them they look.
I mean, I got to say, you know, we would risking with

(50:12):
this sort of digressing too much intoyou know, flattering our rivals. But
they spent the money, well,haven't they. They've rebuilt the midfield well,
and I think they'll they'll be okaythis year. Sadly, sadly yeah,
yeah. But the other hand,Chelsea looked like a fucking shambles.
So that that's the fixture list isnot forgiving, is it? No?

(50:35):
The next one's coming up to Christmas. I could see his head being firmly
on the block, And like Isaid, you know, I've got a
few friends that that support them,follow them, and they really really want
putch out already. Well it's funnybecause I've got Chelsea in my family,
you know, I've got a fewChelsea in my family, and those those

(50:57):
guys, I mean, they don'tever have anything nice to say about Spurs.
They're not ambivalent. Chelsea fans,you know, the fans, and
they actually still quite like him.They're they're to give him time. They
think he's the right man for thejob. And these are not you know,
people that are generally known for beingconsiderate and or patient. You know,

(51:20):
they make all their major decisions withtheir neck. You know, it's
you know, it's these guys,and they're still fully behind him. But
I you know, say, wesaw the fictions the other day. You
know, they've got they've got Warlicks, they've got us, They've got think
they've got City, haven't they They'vegot Liverpool. They've just had Liverpool.
You know, really tough. Yeah, good, good. Fuck anyway,

(51:45):
with just actually were two competitions thatwe're in. Do you think there's a
help or hindrance to the players assimilatingand just tactics. I don't know,
I don't. I mean, Iquite like the idea that until January we're
generally a game a week, aren'twell, you know, and I think

(52:07):
that's going to be to the benefit. I think it helps the squad in
terms of fitness more than tactical awareness, because I think that that extra rest
period is going to really really playto our advantage, considering that we might
be a bit light in one ortwo areas. Well. You know,
it gives us the opportunity to avoid, I suppose injuries. That's one of

(52:31):
the things fitness, as you say, to work on that tactical acumen and
following his style, so it givesus, you know, there are positives
from it. I mean, don'tforget that year that the A Leicester won
the title. They just had theleague and then they basically quickly dropped out

(52:52):
of both cups and that's all theyhad one game a week. Yeah,
well, yeah, won the titleat Chelsea. It was the same.
Yeah, you know, so thatyear that Conte played, I think it
was the year that Conte won theleague at Chelsea. I might be wrong
about this, so don't cry shoutall over the over the replies on Twitter
or have you if I am,I think we played twenty games more than

(53:15):
them that season. Yeah, sohow far can we go them? Rich?
Well, I don't know. Imean I was all for us having
a really good running the League Cupand I thought they were going to give
it a bit of credence this year. So I have no idea I don't.
I don't. I really don't know. I don't have any expectations.
I think, you know, anythingsix or above is going to be a

(53:37):
really decent year for us, youknow, because it is a transition year,
regardless of our well it's going already. I really really really would fucking
like a cup, though, reallywould like a cup. You know.
I was. I was twelve yearsold the last time we won't the f
A Cup, and I'll be fortyfive in about three weeks. Well,
man, just yeah, it's hardto computing it really. I mean,

(53:59):
they were a point when we werethe holders of the most FA Cups.
Yeah, we were the f ACup Club. Yeah yeah, and we've
still we're still there with our withour eight eight wins, and you know,
I mean now they're into double figures, aren't they all the other fucking
lot. Yeah, Well, weneed we need to win something soon,

(54:20):
otherwise we're going to have West Hamramming their check a trade trophy down our
neck or wherever you call it,hit the IKEA waste paper basket trophy.
I did say that, Joe,I said, Oh I did feel for
you on the night, though,I said, when it turned out they
couldn't afford enough enough silver to makean actual fucking trophy because have you seen
it? Yeah, somebody's taking aVenetian blind and rolled just pull and pulled

(54:42):
it apart. It's kind of youknow, yeah, fucking hell yeah.
Oh well, well, you know, at the beginning of the season,
Mate with Spurs were kind of tippedfor having a dodgy season and maybe even
going down. Now we're twenty toone to win the prim Yeah, well,
you know, I don't know.I quietly think that we could have
a really really good strong League campaign. I think some of it's going to

(55:07):
depend also obviously on other people.But you know, I don't think Newcastle
are going to carry on shit inmiracles without a hiccup. It's all gone
remarkably well for them the minute Eddie, how's a good coach? Well,
they've had a bit of a badrun in the last metal too themn't they
So yeah, And I mean thisis the interesting thing because he's recruited well,
but they've got all the money inthe world and all that now,

(55:30):
but they haven't done what Man Citydid and gone and bought superstars. Right.
He's been very much more sensible aboutit. But I think that might
come at a cost, you know, in the fact, in the fact
that their acceleration into superstardom might notbe quite so seamless as they hope.
You know, they're in the ChampionsLeague this year again, and they you

(55:51):
know, it's going to be abig distraction because you know, you really
do need a deep squad and forthat, and I'm not sure they're quite
there yet. And and they've hada if he you know, up and
down start to the season. Waittill they start playing the Champions League games,
and I think they can be areal wake up call for them.
Well, I mean, you know, if they get I haven't seen,
I don't know if the drawers areeven been made because I've not seen.

(56:14):
But depending on what their group lookslike, if they come out of it
into the Uway for Cup, thentheir fixture list gets astronauts. I think
they've got the Group of Death mate. I think They've got PSG and a
few others in their group. Thereneed will they That's the thing, you
know, So you know, I'mnot surprised. And they could come out
of that in the Uway for Cupand then have to travel to you know,

(56:35):
tractor a stand to play Massey FergusonFC on a Thursday afternoon and then
come home to play Manchester City atthe weekend or somebody. I mean,
it's going to get quite sticky,I think if they're not, and that
could play to our advantage with ourshort season. Well, I'm going to
try and be really objective here aboutour our you know, where we could

(56:58):
end up under they were we wereon for the double. Yeah, yeah,
I was expecting that. That's that'sthe that's the that's the considered objective
opinion, isn't it. I meanyou know, I mean that's what all
the sensible punt is. Yeah,it's obvious you were a teacher one yeah,

(57:19):
yeah, yeah, twenty three yearsjust just an English teacher. Yeah,
I was for a while, aboutfour or five years, was an
English teacher and then gets that fromthat for not knowing what objective mee.
Yeah, they let me rise tothe ranks of assistant head teacher, believe
it or not. Yeah, soyeah, obviously when they realized what a

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chump I was, that's when that'swhen I go out anyway. Yeah,
I don't know, I mean,it would be bloody lovely to think something
magical could happen. I mean,I would just love I would love a
good, honest to god, topfour finish and a fucking f a Cup.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely,Well I can't wait. Maybe we'll
be able to then empty that squearjar and have a right old good if
we take, if we if wekeep adding to it at this rate,
and if we get to the Cupfinal in May or June or whenever it
is next year, you know wewill be able to carry all that money

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in the Wembley Stadium in great bigyou know, corn bag seed bag dump
it and knowing Wembley as it wasthe last time, I won't we'll be
able to get fucking half of Carlsbergeach for it. Yeah, that's it.
Well, it will be no goodat the spur Stadium because the cash
lest anyway. So let's let's lookat just predictions for the next home game,

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which seems like a bloody eternity away. We've got Sheffil United at home
next. Will he make a SheffilUnited? You know? Will they stay
up? I think their odds wantto go down, an't they. Yeah?
I don't think they're the force thatthey the last time they came up
by a long stretch, are they? And I would be delighted if they

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came down to Spurs and we gavethem a right good fucking scene too.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Ispent a lot of my life on the
M one at them in here,and I spent spent quite a lot of
it sat in fucking traffic. SheffieldM six is not much better, is
it? Yeah? Fifty mile hourzones everywhere where you go. Yeah,

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so it's beginning, it's it's beginningto take on the sort of slightly apocalyptic
mantle of places that I fucking hatenow because everywhere the time I go,
oh look road works or another carcrash or something, idiot's broken down in
a fascilaid or something. So yeah, Sheffield can fuck off and they can.
Good for it's terrorized the bastards.They deserve it. Yeah, yeah,

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So what you're going for? Mate? Prediction three nil? Yep,
I'm gonna go four one oh oneright yeah, And on that note that
before we finished very quickly, Godmate, do you think five two flattered
Burnley? Because I do. Yeah, going back to what you said before,
we were wasteful. I mean it'sreally I know we've got to expect

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this with that, and you haven't. We but it rankled me that second
goal of theirs. I was reallynot happy about that at all. No,
no, yeah, you know,really we should have come out of
there with a clean sheet. Youknow, yeah, no, I agree.
Actually, you know, in termsof you we were wasteful. But
actually looking but what you're saying there, you're talking more about conceding those goals.

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I think I think we will dothat occasionally, but we will you
know, outscore them. But thenwhen we get that right the whole thing,
I think we'll cut down those areasbecause the system will be you know,
the pattern to play will be justmuch more effective. I can I
can see us. You know,the bear in mind that we had the

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previous two games were two nails,and we get to kept a clean sheet.
And you know, Vicario is lookingamazing. He did you know,
some he said, some blinding savesrecently. He looks a real, real
quality player. Really, what reallygot me about Vicario at the weekend that
really pleased me immensely was they pulledoff and say, he pulled off a

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saved quite late in the second half, and I accidentally put bloody six ZHO
six on afterwards, Right, well, Chris Sutton was whining, like hell
about it. Goalkeepers shouldn't celebrate saves. It's they're doing their job and all
this, and I thought, yeah, I mean it's also fuck off Chris,
and then I thought brilliant if he'sgetting under people's skin already. Yeah,

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but the's but that's what they're like, there, isn't it. Those
sort of pundits are just they can'tbear to see us doing well. And
that's not just you know, I'mnot playing a victim mentality. I couldn't
give a I couldn't give a toss. It doesn't it doesn't actually bother me
anyway anymore, you know. Butyou but the way that Gary Neville recently,
and don't get me wrong, youknow so I quite like Gary gary

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Neville's punditry sometimes, but the wayhe was smarting out, you know,
Tottenham being arrogant and them doing theseHollywood saves, and then Roy Keane as
well, talking about the fact thatyou know, the Spurs need to just
realize, you know, what typeof club they are, and then you've
got Chris Start and I think Ithink there's this is borne out of them

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getting a bit nervous that we mightactually be quite good. Yeah, yeah,
because they wanted none of it.When we had pounding the swearch,
Pocettino and Harry Kane doing well,they hated it. They just wanted them
to. They wanted Pocchettino and Kaneat Man United because as far as they're
concerned, that's the only that's theright and proper way to rule the world.

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Yeah, and anything that gets undertheir skin. I mean, I
seem to remember didn't didn't and hadto have a bit of a pop at
Gary Neville the other day. Youknow, he's about him, well,
I'm just copy what Pep does orsomething, and you know, yeah,
yeah, so so I like that, and I like that they're on his
radar, and I like that,you know. And anything that makes people
like Chris Sutton angry, well,Chris Sutton's just generally angry. I don't

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know what, but I mean,to be honest, I probably would be
if I had to spend that muchtime with Robbie Savage. But you know,
the likes of fucking roy Key,you know, he can fuck all
the way to the sun and thenjust keep going, you know, you
know, but a lot of those, like we said the last time,
I just basically they're playing a character, now, aren't they know? It's

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not real punditry, it's not realevaluation. They all talking cliches and and
and they've all been told. Isuspect it's to basically pick a character.
What who are you going to be? Well, Roy Keane, you can
be the bad he you know youcan. Yeah, yeah, Roy Keane,
that was meant to be. Youknow. I read his book and

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he reckoned. He was a typeFAMI when he grew up, you know,
yeah, yeah, you know soonit's the same. Although our mutual
friend Tom, you know, asas meant soon it's on a few occasions
and apparently reckens he's an absolutely adorablefellow and he's assault of the earth and
he loves Tottenham, and I thinkyou don't that don't come across you know,
well, that's what I So itkind of falls into that, you

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know, jurisdiction of them being toldBlazy to sort of play a trope player,
kind of play a character, ifyou like. I suspect that he's
partly what it's going on here anyway, Right, we've waffled on enough,
mate, and I'm sure it wasshitless of what what we're saying now,
So just a big shout out toredemption. I'm going to try and get

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along there on the next home game. Are you going to that home game?
Mate? I hope no. Ithink I'm still away in Italy at
that point, hoping to be.I can't remember who it is the home
game after that, but I'm hopingto yeah. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, I've been sent to Riney. Oh yeah, well you know,

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between us we'll make a bloody youneed well, yeah, well, we'll
get together at one point. We'vegot We've got a lot of money in
that swear jot spend mate, soyeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have
to take it to one of themcoinstar things in Sainsbury's and turn it into
credits so that we can spend itat the stadium anyway, okay mate,

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On that note, come on youSpurs, Spurs. Yeah, there's no
place on as I would I wouldn'twant to be right here. And you
know, in this winner of tryingto bring success to one of the biggest
football clubs in the worlds, thebasic under line principles that yeah, I

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want my team to play football thatscares the life out of every opposition mate.
That's that's kind of the endgame.