S4 E18 - Spurs Band of Merry Men Fell Forest

Ritch Grove and @leebrown2 discuss the hard-fought away win against Forest, our discipline, positive mindset, being kicked all over the shop - again!

Episode Transcript

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You know, there's no place Iknow if I would, I wouldn't want
to breathe Ryan here. And youknow, in this minute of trying to
bring success to one of the biggestfootball clubs in the world, the basic
under the line principles that I wantmy team to play football that scares the
life out of every opposition. That'sthat's kind of the end game. And

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welcome to the Varside Spurs Podcast onceagain and on another upbeat after another win
in which we find ourselves only fourpoints off the top. Joined today once
again is Rich Grove. How areyou doing, buddy, Hello, my
friend. I'm I'm obviously very chipper. Yes, good, good, good

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as we should be. Right.You know that yesterday's game, we'll go
into it in a bit more detail. Maybe it wasn't a vintage performance,
but you know, all things considered, that was a tough game and we
came away with three points. Yeah, I mean, I know, you
know in our optimistic sort of chatat the end of the last pod that
we were predicting that we would putthree or four past them, and in

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fact we probably should have put threeor fo's done with the chances we had.
Let alone, you know the teamson paper, but you know,
I think I said, and Ithink you know you alluded to it as
well, that it was never goingto be an easy game and that they
were going to try and kick usoff the field, which is exactly what
they did, and my we weatheredit well. I thought, Yeah,

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I mean that they were a vociferousbunch one they I mean, you know,
actually is quite a hostile crowd,I thought. I thought they played
a big part in the way thatBoris tried him. You've got to give
them that, and consider the sortof parlus position they find themselves in and
the fact that their manager it lookslike he's on the cusp of possibly getting
a sack. They're fully behind him, fully behind their team. I mean,

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their players ship houses. We're gettingto that as well. But you
know that, you know, itwas it was a lively atmosphere for us
to cope with. Yeah, yeah, very much so. I mean it
always is at the City Ground,you know, it is one of those
one of those old fashioned grounds whereeverybody's on top of you or a bit.
You know, they get a sizeablecrowd in there as well. I

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mean, even a said afterwards,didn't he you know, I think I
can't know if it was a bit. It was the Sky interview all the
Spurs one that he said, youknow, standing on the touch line there,
it felt like they conceded a goalevery time Forrest won a corner or
a throwing you know the yeah.So yeah. Not an easy place to
go at the best of times.And you've got to give them their credit.

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They are behind Steve Cooper. Ithink the crowd have kept him in
a job, haven't they, becauseif they were ambivalent about it, he'd
have gone weeks ago. Absolutely,mate. So I'll give you my thoughts
afterwards. I just wanted to getyour kind of like overarching thought on the
first half. How did you feelit sort of ebbed and flowed? And

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you know, how did you feelabout that first half that we played?
I mean it was one of them, you know that. It's kind of
like, you know, the blueprinthas reversed from what it was in previous
years, hasn't it That we comeout of the blocks a lot stronger than
we ever used to. Now,we always always used to start quite slowly,
didn't we. And you know,I mean, obviously you know Sunny

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had that chance very early and weshould have been worn it up. And
I think probably it was a goodthing looking at the overall arc of the
game, it was probably a goodthing we didn't score that goal. It
might have encouraged them to rally earlier, you know, whereas what as it
was, I think they grew intothe game, but it took them twenty
five minutes to do so, didn'tit. You know, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's kind ofmy thoughts really as well. I

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mean it's like I get the sensethat for their first twenty twenty five minutes
we were utterly dominant. You know, you looked at it and thought,
wow, I mean this could beyou know, we could with this could
be a very healthy score line here. But they gradually found a foothold in
the game, and I and Ithink that's when we sort of started to

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become a bit sloppy and a bitslow. And because some of those passes
which maybe I don't know if theywere under hit or just we were just
not quite as sharp as we whereas we needed to be. We then
started to get dragged into battles,and then once they started kicking us,
which again we've talked about as atheme you know, one of the ways
to disrupt this team is just basicallyto boot us to ship once more.

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We didn't really get any protection fromthe referee, and that I think did
have the desired impact for them.It disrupted the way that we played.
I think it frustrated some of ourplayers because some of those tackles were going
unpunished and they got a foothold inthe game. And so, yeah,

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you know, it was a itwas a frustrating first half, I felt,
because we look so dominant to beginwith. Yeah, yeah, very
much so. I mean, andI think, you know, with a
nod towards that, you know,how the referee handled the game. I
think he did particularly badly in thatrespect that I can see. He wanted
the game to go and he wantedto let a lot of you know,

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obviously that is a policy this yearthat they let a lot of niggling foles
go to allow the game to flowa bit more, and I'm generally in
favor of that. I think it'sa very good thing. I think players
have got to learn to be strongerand more physical in the game, and
I think this is something that kindof this is one of those things where
you say, it's a teething problemof of having that new policy kind of

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asserted at the arbitrarily at the startof a season, and you know,
we look at it and call itinconsistency, and it is inconsistency. But
I think, you know, ingeneral, it's a good thing, even
if it's not implemented particularly well.Last night was an example of it being
implemented badly. And I think allof our book kings that go on to

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affect our future fixtures have come asa result of frustration that would not have
been in our players sort of mentalityhad he the game properly. You know
that I hadn't been you know,Yates was kicking shit out of our players
from the minute go. Yeah,and and of course you know, every

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one of the retaliatory cards that gotpicked up, he was involved in it,
either in the first tackle or theturnover, all the melee afterwards.
You know that the you know,the kind of grouping around the referee and
that afterwards. So so I think, you know, had had the referee
kind of handled it a little bita bit better, and I think handling
it better was as simple as Yatesshould have been in the book before half

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time he had eight thousand, notone card. How did that guy not
get a single cards? Just utterlyridiculous. And I mean I think if
he's in the book before half time, some of the heavy challenges that he
put in that our players then retaliatedbadly too, wouldn't have happened because he'd

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have been managed better, you know. So whilst I'm generally in favor of
them letting the game go, Imean I've said it several times. I
think our home game against Fulham wasa particularly good example of that. I
think last night was a particularly egregiousexample of it not being handled well at
all. Yeah, well said,I agree, And I think, you
know, letting it go is differentto them making a rod for your own

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back as a referee, which Ithink he did, you know, and
had to try, and he waslosing grip of the game because it was
getting dirtier and nastier. And tobe honest, I never thought that maybe
not even I haven't really seen toomany Forest games, but I didn't think
they were a dirty team. Butyesterday, by god, they you know,
whether this is how they usually playor whether this is one of these

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kind of like you know, thetactics going around the Premier League. If
you're a lower side, you aren'tgoing to compete football wise in terms of
technical skill with our lot. Soboot the ship out of them and see
and see where that leads. Johnsoncase in point, that absolutely clattered,
ended up going off with what lookedlike concussion. Turns out it wasn't,

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but there's a nasty gash in hishead covered in blood. You know.
Uh, you know, we're ina protection for our players. Was was
zero, but yeah, I meancherry on the cake. I suppose in
that in that half was Culou's sublimecross for Richie's goal, which she took

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it well, but that was madeby Kulosewski. That was absolutely ridiculous cross.
I mean it was It was inchperfect again, wasn't it. It
was as good as Poros for richArlisson's goal the other day. Yeah,
yeah, I mean just wonderful,wonderful play, you know, especially consider

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during the you know, he kindof I think, if I remember rightly,
there were three players on him whenhe made that ball. He cut
in and made that ball, soit's not even as if he was in
acres of space to pick it out. Yeah, And then we and then
it felt like because that momentum startedto shift. As we said, after
about sort of twenty twenty five minutes, it felt like a forest Goull was

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coming. A Langer puts one inclearly offside. I mean, what the
hell did they need to bear four? And that? I mean it looked
like people were miles off side inthe just from the eye test. Yeah,
I know, I mean it is. It's bonkers, isn't it.
You know, it's one that thelinesman should have called, let alone the
referee. Yeah yeah, and thenthat yeah, you know, I couldn't

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work it out. So like inthat first half we end up with four
minutes added time. Well, wehad Johnson down with a head wound,
plast that var there was only fourminutes. Yet in the second half we
had eight minutes added. Yeah,what's that all about them? Because none
of that kind of drum we had. Yeah, you know that there was
one var incident, but eight minutesadded? Where did that come from?

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I guess it's the thirty seconds fora substitution, isn't it. That's where
that comes from? Is that that'sa no? Isn't it? Each time
you make a sub they add theyhad thirty seconds and I suppose both both
teams, you know, bought fourplayers on you know, all doubles.
So yeah, I don't I mean, I don't know. It's again,
it's it's nonsensical, isn't it.You know, unless they are consciously adding

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that that extra time onto the endof a match rather than at halftime,
because then it eats into punditory ratherthan advertising revenue. I don't know.
Maybe that's just you know, whoknows, yeh, who knows. But
yeah, anyway, so alger goalswas a Langa's goal was rightly ruled offside,
and at that point you kind offelt that, you know, we

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needed half time to forge, tosort of get into the players a bit.
And so getting into the second halfthen we I think we just felt
like we needed another one to settleus down here, and because it felt
like we were, you know,we were on the ropes a bit.
We're getting possession turned over and butit came as a bit stroke of luck

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for us, as a terrible kickoutby their keeper Turner. We took possession
ball is not white to Kula Sevsky, who then just like he's a battering
ram and He just like smashed hisway through, smashed the shot and Turner
couldn't hold it. Well, Imean, I'm surprised Turner didn't end up
in the back of the goal aswell, you know, I mean didn't

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he did them you could feel it, and and a wonderful goal, you
know, to cap that performance.He he is a machine, isn't he?
At the moment? Oh? Yeah, you know, I mean he
I mean, he's What impresses memost about him is his maturity. I
still I think he's still only twentythree something like that, isn't he something?

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You know, the way he speaksout the game and about you know,
the team itself. In the interviews, he comes across brilliantly so mature,
understands that, you know what we'veyet to do talking about you know,
where he's at at the moment withhis life he's talking about. You

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know, he couldn't be happier.He loves the way AND's playing. Really
feels it feels this is building tosomething. And this player, I mean,
you know, he's got to bethinking he's one hundred million pounds player.
What he's playing at the moment.I'm going to start calling you Gary
Neville if you keep that. Iknow he made that exact point after the

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game finished last night, and Ithought, well, you can tell the
players doing well when Neville starts tryingto sell him, can't you. Yeah.
Yeah, well he's also trying tosell and to Man City as well,
isn't he. Yeah yeah, Ithink he is. Yeah, you
know, just enjoy him at themoment, because in a couple of years
time, he may well find himselfat Man City. Yeah you know,

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you were you were told us hewas naive about two weeks ago exactly that.
Yeah, yeah, but no,you know, Kuleosewski, what a
wonderful game. I mean I thinkthat what what summed up the match that
we were playing was his reaction tothat goal. Yeah. Yeah, you
could tell that he was like,fucking have that, your bastards, And
I think that was to them kickingseven bells out of every mony for the

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sixty odd minutes before it. Youknow, I mean, that was a
that was a very much a fuckyou celebration, wasn't it. Yeah.
I like this because he did thisbefore this one where he looks like he's
snapping planks over his legs. Yeah, yeah, he's breaking someone's back or
something. And then but they hadobviously planned this goal celebration, hadn't they,

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Because those richer booted the ball intothe crowd and I think he gave
him a look and then Richie thenretrieves the ball, brings it back,
he sticks it under his jumper andthen does the heart sign, so you
know, congratulations, As he confirmedafterwards, he's going to be a dad.
Quite a nice way to to,you know, to announce it.
Well, you know, if youif you're going to have to go to

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Notttingham at any point, getting agoal and a man of the match performance
has got to be a reward forthat, is it. Yeah, then
we you know, on this rollercoaster ride. Then we end up with
pursumer who who gets a yellow cardfor a tackle, but then it goes
to the er and and he endsup seeing red. What do you what

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do you make of that? Doyou do you think that's a red?
It has to be because he madecontact with the players knee with his studs.
It's that feels orange to me.I know that's a bit of a
cliche nowadays using that. Yeah,I think I think if the roles were
reversed and it was Yates against Presumer, you'd have been saying he should have
been saying, oh yeah, butI'd be saying that regardless. You know,

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even if he brushed him lightly,I'd still be saying that, Yeah,
I think I think it's a red. I think it has to be
a red because his studs were showing, and he made contact with the players,
and and it's as simple as that. You know, it's been a
for a couple of years now,it's not a new thing. I think
it was careless. I don't thinkthere was any intent in it, but
I don't think that matters. Ithink he has to go for it because

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if you let that go, youknow what happens. You know, like
you were saying a minute ago aboutthe referee losing control of the game,
what happens if pursuma stays on thepitch at that point. You know,
you're going to get retaliation. You'regoing to get players thinking they can go
in with their studs up. Youknow. So, yeah, I think
it was against Yates, wasn't it. You know, he wasn't actually hurt

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in that incident. But you know, if that if that foul goes unpunished
and the game starts to get awayfrom the referee as a result of that,
whether it's intentional or not, Ithink is beside. The point is
that at some point in ten minutestime, somebody else goes in with with
studs up, because suddenly, youknow, it's open season on going in

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every nobody else can get hurt,you know. Yeah, so I think
it must have been, and Ithink it's I think it's fucking stupid on
Besumer's fault. I think he said, now, isn't it. He hasn't
had the best game, you know, he like Sara, Sara has had
a much better game than him.I think, you know, he was

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a little bit anonymous in any anybit slow in possession, and he got
robbed, rob you, robbed ofthe ball a few times. So I
don't think he was having a particularlygood performance really, But yeah, like
you say, I mean, atleast it's not his second defense for that
kind of thing. I mean,he was he was sent off for diving
the first time. Yeah, youcan say he might be stupid, but

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at least he's not reckless habitually likeRomero is, you know, and let's
say, you know, weren't Jamiecarrigher if you were listening to it on
Sky, you know, weren't JamieCarragher and whoever of the commentator was gleefully
trying to get thinking Romero should havegone for the one that he got booked.
Yeah, yeah, you know,you know, so we can say

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that, you know, And butI think this is what I was saying
earlier. You know, those kindof those kind of loose retaliatory tackles are
going in because the referees not managingthat game, because our players are getting
frustrated. And although I'm not wantedwishing to absolve them with responsibility, I
think the responsibility has to be shared, you know. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I can, like Isaid when we were chatting about it yesterday,

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you know, I can see whyhe had to go, you know,
especially once they go to the VRscreen. You know it's going to
you know, it's going to endup that way. It always looks worse
in slow motion, and to givethem their dude, they did play at
normal speed as well. But Ithink it wasn't malicious. This is why
I sort of okay, you know, it was a red but but it

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also I've seen ones where that's notbeen a red simply because I think when
he misreads the bounce of the balland he tries to sort of pull out,
that's why he hits the side ofhis leg rather than full on.
There's nothing malicious in it. It'snot it's not you know, it's not
trying to endanger that player. Itwas clumsy basically. But whether it's clumsy

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or not, he you know,he had to go and you know,
as he's second now we won't seehim until probably February. We see Andrew
on the on the touch line shakinghis head. I mean, afterwards,
Andrew addressed the issue because they said, look, you know you've had a
few players now sent off. Isthis a problem? And he said no.
He says, it's the way weplay. He says, we've been

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We talk about it all the time, and we're trying to just find the
right balance at the moment between sortof having that I suppose that aggression to
be able to turn out the ballover and then get you know, get
get on with our pressing and geton the front foot and and sort of
balance it with you know, withthe discipline I suppose and how we play.
Consumers, you been a Wally andthey're really there. Yes, yeah,

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although the thing that's just occurred tome when you saying it, I
mean, I'm not a massive fanof the constant evolution of the rules of
football. I think, you know, it should still be the simple game
that it was at the start ofthe Premier League. Let's say, you
know, and you know, well, let's not go into var and all
that again, because I think there'senough there's enough time wasted speaking about that

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fucking thing. But I think,you know, if we are talking about
how the game might change in amore positive way, I think that challenge
might be a good example of likeyou've just said, you know, an
orange card or what have you.You know, it might be you know,
if they if there is talk everynow, every now and again,
it comes up of whether or notthey should be sin beIN offenses they have

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in rugby union, you know,you go after ten minutes, you know,
or whatever it is, and thenthat that might be a good example
of that because it does control ofthe game by removing the player from the
pitch for a long enough period topunish the player, even if there wasn't
any you know, sort of maliciousintent in it. You know. I
mean, we saw it in theRugby World Cup final. You know,

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the South Africa captain was SimBin fora chunk of the game for coming together
aheads, you know, and althoughthey sort of discussed it and said it
wasn't you know, a militia sortof. He didn't set out to hurt
the other guy. It isn't infraction in terms of the rules, so
he has to go and yet hewas able. Then let's say that was
a league game and not the finalof a tournament. He wouldn't have been

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punished going forwards by missing the nextgame for the fact that he was rather
than rather than setting out to hurtsomebody. Maybe this is an example of
that sort of challenge, you know, because you are right, you know,
he obviously did misread it, andI mean the very fact that he
stayed on his feet. He wasn'tsliding in, so he wasn't completely out
of control. No, no,yeah, you know. But anyway,

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like you say, he's been anidiot. And of course we won't see
him again for a long time.You know, Benton Kerr will be back
from his injury. Before he's availableagain, his place back in the team
he's going to have to he's goingto have to find a place in that
starting eleven, which is no badthing. No, no, no,
that's fair enough. You know,we're all another clumsy challenge. We end
up with a dogg he ends upwith a yellow and he now is also

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going to miss the Everton game.I think that's more of a worry for
us. But yeah, actually Ijust want to ask you this, do
you think we have a discipline problemor I mean, are we treated more
harshly or do you think there isa bit of a discipline problem and just
sort of factoring the fact that quitea lot of our boys are young players

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as well. Though, I don'tthink we do have a discipline problem.
No, I don't think so atall. I don't. I don't think
we're treated particularly harshly with regard toother teams. I think, you know,
in big games, you know,when we're playing the Manchester Cities and
the Liverpool's, they will often getthe you know, the rubb of the
green when it comes to contentious decisions. Obviously, as we saw against Liverpool

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earlier in the year, they don'talways go that way, but often that
is the case. I don't thinkwe have a discipline problem. I think
I think the game is played veryvery quickly, and I think the margins
in between a sloppy challenge, amischallenge, somebody that makes contact. You
know, I think the way thatthe game is managed is slightly different these

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days in the in the challenge ityou know, it's kind of encouraged to
be a bit more physical and so, you know, referees don't pick up
on every little niggly little thing likethey had done, which means I think
players as a rule are kind ofin boldened to go in a little bit
harder than maybe they have done thelast couple of years. I think,

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I don't. I don't think weare any worse than anybody else in the
league. I mean, certainly we'renot dirty in anybody else in the league.
You know, like you say,you know, you look at how
Forests played last night, you lookat how Newcastle played the other week.
Aston Villa did it against us aswell. You know, that's just a
couple of exacts, pauls. Recently, teams will come out and kick you

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up into the air if they thinkthey can get away with it. And
I don't think we do that.No, no, So I don't think
it is a discipline problem or anapproach or a policy problem. I don't
know. I think it's just there'sa learning curve I think isn't don't.
I couldn't tell you how many timesEverton go down to ten men because I
don't watch them every week, now, you know, I mean Liverpool have

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had as many red cards as US, and you wouldn't say they're a dirty
team either, would you like witha discipline problem? Well I would,
yeah, but you tay, yeah, but in a different sense. We're
talking yeahs here, yeah, yeah, I mean you know I'll accuse them
fuckers of everything just because but yeah, no, exactly that. You know,

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everybody has players sent off, everybodyhas discipline problems. I mean,
let's talk about it. Everybody inthe league is talking, you know,
with with with you know, greatflow wishes of adulation about aston Villa.
Now the dirty side I've seen thisyear, Well, I suppose you know
the way we play as well,We're always we feel like we're playing on

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the edge. And I think Romerois like that. He plays on the
edge. He can be sublime butalso ridiculous. You know, there's a
there's sometimes there can be that issue, and it's just about getting the consistency
with not going over that edge,and I think we'll get there. We're
you know, we're a young team, so I do agree with you.
I don't think we are a dirtyor you know, a team of ill

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discipline. I think we you know, we're just we are. We're learning,
and I think the boys are learningto play that system with the risk
that that we have to take,especially with that you know, incessant pressing.
We're you know, there's going tobe a few of these until we
kind of get it right. Butanyhow, I think I just sorry.

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I think the other thing as wellis you have to play against the opposition
that are in front of Yeah,yeah, yeah. And the one thing
that we've noticed, you know,of late, is we've picked up a
lot of cards against teams that arescrapping, that are playing scrappy against us.
You know, even teams that areat the top of the league doing
aston Villa are shitous in their wayinto the Champions League. They're not playing

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expansive football to get there. There'sshitous in everybody and they're scrapping. And
when you're playing them, games youcan pick up a lot of cards,
you know. I mean, Ithink you know, it's going back very
very quickly before we move on toone thing that you just said, whether
or not we're treated unfairly. Ithink there is an element occasionally where we
pick up cards that possibly other teamswouldn't have, you think last night being

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the example eight serious challenges before Yatesgoes in the book Ben Davis runs his
fingertips across somebody in the eightieth minute. He wasn't the last man and he
goes in the book for what aboutskip It wasn't even you know, it
wasn't even he didn't touch the guyand he ended up getting a card.
Yeah, yeah, so there isI don't know. I mean, I

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know what you know, I'm loathto say it because you're just going to
be accused of having this victim mentalityand it's conspiracy and all this kind of
crap. But you know, thingslike that are just inconsistent. Let's say,
then and that's not and that andyou know, and we need to
make that better because clearly that thatthat's not it's not you know, a

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level playing field. No, butI mean, I think this goes back
to something that we were saying earlieras well. And I will say this,
you know, my caveat to thisentire conversation is I'm not particularly complaining
about it. I'm perfectly happy forthis just to be an element of football,
right Like, Like, you know, perhaps I'm a little bit more
circumspect than some people about this,and perhaps, you know, I'd be

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accused of not caring as much,you know, and frankly, whatever you
want, I don't really care.I'm perfectly comfortable with my engagement, you
know. Like I think this isthe thing, is that the it's all,
the inconsistency has been there for theone hundred and something years that we
have had league football, and it'sgoing to be there forever because even with

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the advent of var and things,with the exception of goal line technology,
which is the one time that youcan say hard and fast, okay,
we have a system that says automaticallywhether or not a ball has crossed the
line. That everything else is asubjective decision. Even with the advent and

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the introduction of new technologies, itis always going to be a proxy for
a subjective decision because there are manymovables the games moving too quickly. We've
spoken about this before. It's notthe same as rugby, it's not the
same as tennis, it's not thesame as cricket or any of the other
examples where they employ this stuff.And I think the game would be better
if everybody just said, do youknow what, let's just go back to

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listening to managers moaning about referees aftera game. Because managers are still moaning,
fans are still moaning. The solutionsare not solving anything. The subjectivity
is still there and it's always goingto be there, and I think we
would be better off to just saythat is what it is. Do you
know what, it doesn't matter ifthe referees against us, We'll just score
an extra goal. We'll just youknow what we have to do. Yeah,

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I mean, I suspect andies ofthat mindset. I'll come on to
that in a minute in his postmatch comments, and you know, maybe
we can sort of pick the bonesand see the little correlation of what yours
just saying there. Actually, butI just want to get your take on
this. Were you impressed with theway that, considering we're down to ten
men, we sort of managed outthe game? Yeah, totally. I
forgot we were down to ten menabout about three minutes after he'd been sent

(28:41):
off. I'd forgotten we were downto town. And it wasn't until Horrow
nearly scored. I think it wasthat chance, and the commentator said,
oh, you know, had theyhave got a third, that would really
have been the icing on the cake, especially soon as they're down to ten,
And I thought, oh, yeah, we are, Yeah, because
I didn't actually see us play anydifferently than what we've been playing for most

(29:03):
of the second half. In fact, we looked more likely to score.
I mean, okay, at theat the end there was that incredible save
from the Carrio because they had tothrow the kitchen sink here. But then
because they had to throw the kitchensink here, they left themselves wide open.
And I felt that we had acouple of really good chances. I
mean, Son had one that reallyshould have buried you yesterday, I think

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on at the start and what atthe finish, And I think Poro had
one that he you know, loadof players, their defenders threw themselves in
the way, and he, youknow, he had a chance to score
as well. So we had thechance to finish finish the game off.
But yeah, I mean, let'sjust reflect on the carrier save at the
end. He just sort of throwshis But everyone thought that's over the line.

(29:48):
All the all their players thought thatwas over the line, and it
wasn't. It was incredible reflex reflexsave that one. Yeah, yeah,
it didn't get anywhere near the linein the in the end he showed its
low down. The interesting thing is, you know, is that is that
happened when they bring on Chris Wood, you know, and Hudson Andy and

(30:12):
they have that more direct sort ofyou know, kindly but you know,
obviously Chris Wood's an ex Burnley playerand that's how they used to use him,
you know that that that sort ofvery old fashioned English into the mixer
sort of an approach, you knowkind of thing. Yeah, yeah,
and he and actually, you know, I looked at it and thought,
to start with, I thought,well, that's probably why they're in the

(30:33):
trouble that they're in, because themanager hasn't gone out from the start playing
that game, because they look moredangerous. But the flip side of that
is, of course, had theyhave done that, we probably would have
scored about four or five because theydid leave the back door wide open.
When they really went for it,you know, they looked a lot more
dangerous. But I think we lookedactually, you know, the shuffling,
the tactical shuffling. He brought Skipand Hoiberg on, Emerson on, you

(30:59):
know, and and altered the shapea little bit more without really losing a
huge amount of the final third threat, you know, because obviously could Be
and Poro were the main outlets atthat point, and that maintained that pressure
on them. I think we lookwe look perfectly comfortable actually at that point.
Yeah, I think it's spot on. I think that you know,
the fact that we looked we welooked calm and composed. I don't think,

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you know, we looked didn't lookflappy as we would have done in
the past. And like you say, there was always an outlet, and
I think that meant that we couldalleviate some of that pressure on us by
you know, by springing and weknow, like we did on several occasions.
Yeah. So yeah, you lookat the the other thing as well
as you look at the line,because obviously they started playing high balls diagonally

(31:45):
into the box and from you know, the corner and they got they won
a few corners towards the end aswell. The line that we were playing
maintained its discipline, and I alwaysthink that that is the sign of a
team that are panicking in defense.We retained our very very strict, very
hard off sideline when the ball wascoming in, you know, obviously,

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you know, earlier on they'd hadthat gold is allowed where we'd had that
height right on the edge of thepenalty box, you know, and of
course the ball comes in and they'rea good yard off side of you know,
ninety percent of the city of Nottinghamis offside at that point. And
so and I thought we sort ofwe retained that discipline really well. And
that's the thing that I look for. I think, you know, if

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we're panicking, if it's getting abit helter skelter and a bit backs to
the wall, the line goes people, there's always one that comes out of
position that's playing everybody else on.You know, there's always one person that's
that's dallying. And of course,once you bring Heiberg on the pitch,
good as he is at some things, you start losing the ball in midfield
a lot, which we did.You know, one or two of their

(32:49):
best chances came from him losing thefucking ball as usual, but everybody else
maintained that position and they seem tobe maintaining their head and their focus.
And I thought that was really reallyencouraging because although they were battering us,
we did not go to pieces overit. Yeah, I thought that was
a hard fought win in the end, considering we're down to ten men.
But I you know, I remembermessaging yesterday and not everyone agreed, but

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I thought it was a thoroughly deservedwin. Okay, it wasn't the you
know, a classic game. Wedidn't dominate it at all times. But
considering you know what, where wefind ourselves, not only with injuries,
a really hostile crowd and the factthat for about thirty minutes we were down
to ten minutes ten men, sorry, I thought, you know, it

(33:36):
was a well deserved half thought win. And again, you know, we
find ourselves now with some absences goingforward for the next game. And you
know, of course then we've gotthe africonn in Asia Cup, which are
going to have an impact on usover January. But I noticed when Andrew
was talking about it in the press, conference, because they were asking about

(33:57):
how, you know, how washe going to react to that, and
he just says, look, we'renot making excuses. We are we feel
that we can cope. We arelooking to the players and see how they
react in these situations. And hewas talking about it in terms of,
you know, not only do Ifind out a lot about my players,
but it's also once you come outthe other side of all of this,

(34:21):
it's character building and resilience building,and that's what he's in the process of
doing at the moment. And youcan see that, right, I mean,
you think of other teams around us, who if they hauld have you
know, consistently lost players, youknow, through suspensions or through injury like
we have, how would they havecoped? How would Arsenal have coped without

(34:44):
let's say Saliba and oder Guarde andand you know and azeus maybe how you
know, how how do other teamscope with two three of their best players
out? I don't think they're goingto cope. And in something about the
way that and is kind of communicatingto them, you can tell is really
kind of making them believe because theplayers, yet again are coming out onto

(35:08):
Twitter and saying really hard win that. But we you know, Romero said,
we really feel what on the trackto something here that that kind of
sort of collegiate sort of feel wherethey're all in the same song sheet and
they're all trying to get that messageout to us and just say, basically,
believe in us. We believe ineverything that's going on here is clear,

(35:31):
you know, I mean, we'reand you know, not making excuses
like previous managers always did. Youknow, they constantly were finding excuses and
reasons why they didn't It couldn't youcouldn't be as good as it could be
because they didn't have this, theydidn't have that, and this was going
to happen, and you know,and moaning about the fixture schedule. He's
not. I mean, Ange justrecently said, it's almost like this at

(35:52):
Christmas and we just go on withit. And I like that. You
know, there's a lot to besaid that then you know that what how
he talks is really important and andbecause you know that, then they kind
of all subscribe to that. AndI think it's refreshing. It's really honest

(36:13):
and straightforward, and there's there's noother silly agendas at play here, and
I think a lot of people,including of course our players and the fans,
appreciate that straight talking you know,yeah, yeah, I mean very
much. So. I think oneof the things that I picked up on
his in his post match comments yesterdayas well, was that, you know,

(36:36):
those sort of saying, you know, yeah, obviously we're going to
lose Destiny and we you know,losing pursuer for extended periods of time,
and we've got injuries going forward stillto key players and that, and you
know, how does that affect theway that you plan and the way that
you're working. And he said,well, you know, we know that
we're just going to have a seasonlike this. Yeah, we just we
know that this is the year thatwe're going to have. That we're all

(37:00):
always going to be fighting for momentumin terms of fitness from availability, and
we are planning for that, youknow. And I thought that was really
interesting because, like you say,other managers would go, oh, you
know, what can I do whenI'm missing my number ten or I'm missing
my number eight, or you know, what can I do when Afcon comes
up and takes away my players?And the Asia Cup's going to take away

(37:22):
my captain and he's just gone,well, we you know, we knew
about this. This is just howit's going to be. And I think,
you know that that kind of isis interesting for them to sort of
come out and say that, becausenot only does it kind of manage the
expectation of everybody, you know,he's he's not making out that he lives
in a perfect world. He's alsonot making an excuse out of it.

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And more importantly, it signals tothe players that they are in a process
wherein the struggle is not time limited. You're going to have to be resilient
this year. You have got tokeep turning up. You have got to
keep trying. It's not going tobe playing salein. I'm not coming into
this club telling you don't worry.From here on in it's all easy.

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And I think that's really good.I think that's a really positive way of
approaching it, because not only isit pragmatic and accurate, but it sends
the message that we don't expect itto be given to us on a plane.
Yeah, absolutely, you know,and I think that is a huge
change of mentality. I mean,you know, not let's ignore the previous

(38:28):
managers and what they would have done. But and has not played the Harry
Kane card at all? Is he? You know, I lost him at
the beginning of the season. Whatdo you expect He's not done that way?
You know, and we're talking probablyone of the greatest players in our
history. We lost it, andyet at the moment we find ourselves four
points off the top. Yeah,yeah, and I mean, I mean
I've said this for a long timethough, haven't I I mean, I

(38:50):
think I've shied away from saying iton the podcast before we sold him because
obviously it would have been like,you know, standing up in the in
the in the seventeen hundreds telling everybodyyou were a Catholic. But I always
thought we were too reliant on himthat you know, Harry Kane became and
I know Pep Guardiola did the wholeHarry Kane team thing, and we always

(39:12):
used to bulk at the fact thatwe were a one man side, but
we did used to lean on himin a way that was perhaps unhealthy from
a club perspective. You're obviously you'regonna when you have one of the greatest
players the league's ever seen. ButI mean even Sun said it in a
post match interview. I think itwas after the Newcastle game that we would
have relied on Harry to get usout of these sticky situations in the past,

(39:35):
and now we have to do itas collective. I think that's a
really healthy attitude towards it. Ithink the club comes out stronger from not
having him as a club. Asa whole the team is because you know,
obviously you don't have Caine's ability tofinish those opportunities. You know,
we see the main difference in betweenCain and rich Arlison is how they work
that space when a ball comes intothe you know, in and around the

(39:59):
penalty spot on the ground. Youknow, they work that space in very
very different ways. Richardlison likes torun onto it came obviously like to you
know, preferred almost to get theball with his back to goal and make
his own room, you know,and so it's a very different approach.
But I think that that kind ofadmission is implicit that yeah, we can

(40:22):
be stronger without Harry Kane. Andactually, you know, standing there and
saying, oh, wouldn't it havebeen nice if I still had this this
striker would be counterprucative for ange,because you can't buy another player like Harry
Kane, let alone by Harry Kane. Again, Yeah, yeah, and
I agree. And this, Mikesound slightly contradictory, but it's not.

(40:44):
It's, you know, the idea. I think that that clearly Kane is
it wasn't just a one man band. Clearly we would be a better team
with Harry Kane in it. Butwhat it's done is it's forced us to
look at the collective more and concentrateon building that and sharing that responsibility out

(41:06):
more. Whereas, like you say, we did lean on Cane quite a
lot. I mean, he wasyou know, you can't say he wasn't
a great team player. He was, you know, but so much felt
fell to him to get us outof the situations. Now there isn't that,
you know, the collective does becomemuch more important. And I think

(41:27):
that's then sending them on that journeymore and I think it enables an and
to communicate that message more about howyou know, just be ready. You
know you might not be playing atthe moment, but be ready because at
some point we're going to need you. And I think that that is that
is pervasive in the in the teamat the moment, even you know,
for all you know, you know, I've never been a Noiberg's biggest fan.

(41:47):
He's come on and done a job. But even when he comes on,
he does a job. I mean, Okay, sometimes he MUCKs up,
but you can see that he woulddo his best. And I think
you know that at the moment,that's all you can ask is that whoever
comes on, they're fully committed towhat they've been asked to do. Yeah,
I mean, I think one ofthe things that we should do before

(42:08):
we go away from last night's gamecompletely is just give a bit of a
mention to some of the other playerswe've spoken about, you know, and
I do think Heiberg, although I'vealready said you know again, he comes
on and loses the ball in thecenter of the field. You know,
when Basuma gets the second and Hoibergcomes on, there is a reassurance in

(42:31):
that you know that that player isgoing to come and do a solid job
of work in the middle of that. For well, you know what he
brings, right, I mean,he's not the world's most creative player,
but you know what he brings,and and he's not bringing him out on
what you know, out of sympathyor anything, is you know, he
does he can do a job,Yeah, he can, and he does

(42:52):
do that job. You know,well it's not a very fashionable job,
and like you say, it's nota silky job, you know, but
you can't have them silky jobs beingdone if you don't have players like Houberg
or obviously you know, it's sadthat he's lost his place to who does
that kind of physical kind of dominationin the middle of the park job a

(43:13):
lot better than Reuberg. But whenBisuma goes off, you know, you
could do a lot worse than bringinga player like Heuberg on because he does
sure that side up and he doesoffer stability in the middle of the park
when you're a man down, youknow. And I think he did do
well last night, and it wasa difficult atmosphere to come into and came
into a side that was that was, you know, not properly under the

(43:36):
kosh, because Forest aren't that good, but but certainly a side that was
under pressure and of course now aman down as well. So I think
we should give him a bit ofa nod for the for the job that
he did when he came on totallyand talking about giving props to people as
the some people say we you know, of course the user's suspects. I
think Vicario had another brilliant game.Poro again, could a Sevsky, fantastic

(44:00):
Romero no cards. I thought,he, you know, he really controls
the game well, he reads itwell and passes that well. But I've
got to make a special mention tosomeone who's not so glamorous as any of
those. I thought Ben Davis hadone of his best games in years maybe
yesterday. I thought he was reallysolid and read the game so well,

(44:22):
and it's taken him a little bitof time to adapt to that to that
role, because that's not a familiarrole for me. He's not a center
back, and yet he's come inthere and I think he's really learned it
well. And I thought he wassuperbous that he've read the game so well,
really really important to the to theresult yesterday, I thought, And

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he must be one of those playersI think that other players look to in
terms of just being that kind ofplayers player, really consistent, the one
that you just know he's quiet butalways comes in and is always ready and
does a job to the best ofhis ability without any kind of you know,

(45:06):
without any moaning or whatever it is. He just gets in and does
the job and and and seems tobe an intelligent player who is learning.
I mean, you know, he'swhen when we everyone's back. Of course
he's not going to be in theteam, but to have a player like
that, I think it's really importantin terms of the squad, you know,
to have someone like that. Imean, he could easily be a

(45:28):
first team player for a number ofother teams in the league. But you
you just know what you're going toget when you bring Ben Davis on,
and it you know, it's notspectacular, it's not electric pace, but
it's just professionalism. And yesterday Ithought, as I say, he had
one of his best games in along long time. Yeah, I totally
agree with everything, you know,and right at the very end there it's

(45:51):
the word that I always think whenwhen when you refer to him his professionalism.
I mean, Ben Davis has beenthe model professional at the club throughout
it all throughout He's nearly ten yearsat the club now, you know,
and and he's been incredibly patient forhuge amounts of time, you know,
to start with he was. Hewas against Danny Rose, who was a
preferred player in his position, youknow, and then of course other players

(46:15):
came in and got ahead of himbecause they were quicker, and they came
in and went out, and camein and went out. You know,
he had a couple of a coupleof nasty knocks. I think during Pochettino's
era, spent a bit of timeout on the sideline. He came back.
You know. Again, he's always, always, always been reliable.
You've been able to call from himfrom the bench and know that he's going

(46:35):
to put in a performance that he'llhe'll perform to the best of his abilities.
And I think, you know,he's a bit like a James Milner
kind of character in the squad,isn't he All those years Milner spent at
the clubs where he's been, he'sbeen that sort of slightly more unfashionable,
slightly you know. I mean,there's the joke about the ball in James
Milner is the sort of meme thatgoes around. But you know, I

(46:58):
think that's kind of testament to theprofessional teams. You know, Yeah,
teams need those sort of players.And it sounds like damning with faint praise
when we say these sort of things, but it's really not. It's just
that that player you can always counton that when you need them, they're
there. Yeah, I mean,and this is the thing, you know,
We've had several thousand flash in thepan players that have come and gone

(47:19):
over the years, and they've andthey've lit everything up for five minutes and
then they've either left or got injuredor what have you. And how many
of them have had the longevity andthe reliability of Ben Davis. And I
mean, we talk a lot aboutwhether or not Hugo Larisse will get a
testimonial at Spurs. I think BenDavis is a player who very much deserves

(47:39):
one. Now, Yeah, youknow, and let's hope that he stays
just that a little bit longer andis involved. I can't see how he
won't be because he is so impressive. Yeah, yeah, absolutely mate.
Right, Well, let's round itup with the preview then of the Everton
game at home that we've got comingup on to the week. So we've

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got some suspensions. Would would whodo you think comes in for a doggie?
And for Besuma, I think he'sgoing to start Royale, isn't he
I think he's got Yeah, isn'tit really? It is really? And
I mean he's been you know,although he does look a little bit rusty
at times. You know, he'she's another player that I think he's misunderstood

(48:25):
by a lot of folks, isn'the Royal? I think he's still a
lot better because another one that comeson with a great attitude. Yeah,
yeah, you know, and he'sgot a bit of stick over time,
you know, and sometimes he's deservedit and sometimes he hasn't. And sometimes
I think he takes himself a bittoo seriously, and sometimes you wonder whether
or not he's not taking himself seriouslyat all. And that's why, you
know, other people aren't getting thejoke. But I do think that,

(48:50):
you know, I don't have ahuge concern he's not going to be as
flair, He's not going to beas forward and creative as a dog he
is. But you know, Idon't think it leaves a gain in that
position, No, no, no, no, I think that. And
then what about replacing Pursuma? Whowould you have there? I mean,
with the Everton game in mind,I think probably it's Hoyburg isn't it that

(49:13):
starts that game because it's going tobe another physical contest that's anything worries me.
I mean, we've just given hima bit of qudeos, but starting
he seems to have this habit ofmaking us start slower, and you know,
because of the way he passes.And I think he is that player
that comes on for the last fifteento twenty minutes when you've really got to

(49:35):
sort of see out a game.Having him on from the beginning I think
could could be an issue. Butwho do you? Given everything? You
who do you play if you weren'tgoing to play? I mean, this
is the thing he's got the minuteshe knows, he knows the system better
than most. I suppose Skip,I wouldn't play Skip. I don't know,
Yeah, I don't think. Idon't think Skip offers you anything that

(49:57):
that Hoyberg doesn't offer you at themoment. He might have done when he
first broke in. You know,I think he was a better player under
content than he is. You know, got units for sure, But yeah,
I mean I think he's got tostart Hoiberg And I think when you
look at the opposition that's coming upnext, it's Everton right there aside that
are going to put a lot ofmuscle. It's a Sean Dyce side,

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you know, so that they're notgoing to play good form. They're they're
in very good form. They're goingto put a lot of muscle through the
middle of that pitch. And Bergis vulnerable to being turned over when he's
in possession in the center of thepitch. Maybe having so next to him
is going to be, you know, a mitigation for that, because obviously,
I think in the past those twohave been interchangeable. So I think,

(50:45):
you know, maybe in the gamewe're probably going to be looking at
picking goals from set pieces against Everton. We we're going to be looking at
targeting, you know, balls fromcorners and things like that in order to
create scoring opportunities rather than playing theball on ground through the middle of the
field. What about going left fieldand putting dire in there. He used

(51:06):
to play that for Poschettino. Maybefucking stupid. Okay, I shut up,
Yeah, okay, I'll tell myselfto shut up as well. Now.
Yeah, okay, So go toshow though, doesn't it how limited
our options are at the moment?Yeah? Yeah, right, mate?
Now your colors to the mast.What's your score prediction for this game?

(51:30):
I think we beat them two toone. I think it's going to be
another really really difficult physical battle.I think. Did I see that Sean
Dice was in the stands watching thisone? Yes? He was, Yeah,
yeah, Yeah. I think it'sgoing to be physical. I think
it's going to be tough. Ithink we score at least one of our

(51:52):
goals from the set piece. Iwouldn't be at all surprised if it's a
Romero header from a corner or afree kick. Again, but you know,
those players are obviously something we've targeted. They look very good going forward,
you know. I mean they're very, very very defensively well organized.
You know, I think they've they'veconceded the fewest goals in the last five
or six games in the league orsomething. Yeah, and you know,

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they don't drop a lot of pointsfrom winning positions, so I mean,
obviously they won't be if they're notconceding goals. I think they're more dangerous
going forward. You know, nowthat they've got Carvert Lewin back and sort
of Decoris playing more games for them, you know, they look at a
more they carry more of a threatreally than they have done for quite some

(52:37):
time. That said, I'm notmassively convinced that they will cause us huge
problems in open play. I thinkit will be a game of set pieces,
you know. I think it willbe a war of attrition between the
two sides. I think they're Ithink Sean Dyke's looking at that yesterday would

(52:59):
have thought, oh, okay,right, okay, I could see how
you disrupt Spurs here. You justbasically wrap them up and kick them up.
But this is the thing. Imean, this was obviously something we
were talking about last night. I'mnot convinced it's working as a strategy because
everybody's trying it and we've worked outto win anyway. Well, we're starting
to work out, you know.I think we're getting a bit frustrated at

(53:19):
times. So we're starting to kindof come to terms with it more because
I think we realize, you know, that this is the way that a
lot of lower leagues, i'd seethe way past spurs is just basically maybe
they don't like it up and youknow, spurs soft underbelly kind of thing.
But it's not working as well aspeople think. No Everett has been
us. You know, this isthe thing, and I think what will
happen is we'll go through two orthree more games of this being you know,

(53:43):
the rigular say, I fully expectYouran Dice to take this approach because
it's kind of his de facto approachto football management anyway. I mean that's
not saying he's one dimensional, buthe uses the tools that he's got and
they don't have a massive amount offlair available to them at it. So
I think, you know, that'swhat he's going to do. But I

(54:06):
think what happens is is that thatteams, Oh, that's how you that's
how you beat Tottenham. And actuallynow we've realized that's what teams are coming,
and we've worked we're working out howto get around it. Anyway.
We're standing up and we're being harder, and we're kicking back and we're and
we're doing a bit more and we'repicking up the points. Both Newcastle and
Forrest tried it and failed, andI expect Everton to try it and fail,

(54:30):
and then I expect these teams tostart coming with that really ultra low
block instead. That's what happens whenwhen they go, well, you can't
kick them off the pitch anymore,and if you try and play them off
the pitch, they will rip youa new asshole. All we're going to
do is we're going to sit deepand we're going to try and hit them
on the brake. And I thinkthat'll be our new That'll be our New
Year's resolution to try and break thatapproach down. I think we're towards the

(54:52):
end of that because I think thesquad and as have worked out Okay,
well, if that's what folks aregoing to do, this is we beat
it. I think. I thinkpersonally it's going to be a really tough
game that we might well will winone nil. I think we normally,

(55:13):
you know, so far, we'vescored in every single game, hopefully touched
wood. That's going to continue.But I don't see this one being a
high scoring game. I think it'sgoing to be it's gonna be stop start.
I think they're going to try anddisrupt the game as much as possible.
I think, unfortunately Hoiberg will slowit down a bit, so I
think it's going to be a bitof a frustrating one. But I can
see being you know, us justabout sneaking it by the odd goal.

(55:37):
But I'm going to go one nil. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't you
know, I think my kind ofI think they will score. That's the
thing. I think they will score. I can't see them keep us keeping
a clean cheet against them, becauseI think they're more of a threat.
Forrest came very close to scoring lastnight, and you know they can't fucking

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buy a win at the moment,so I can't see it's keeping a clean
sheet. But I do think Ithink you're right. I think we beat
them by a single goal. Ido think we beat them. And what
I would quite like us to dois kidnap Dominic Calvert Lewin before they leave,
because I think i'd quite like tosee him in our squad. I
think he'd add something really quite niceto it, you know, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, but yeah,I don't know. The other thing.
I'm going to say this just asa total a total sort of non secretour
really, but only because he's oneof their players. Now, I said
this on the on the what'sapp theother night, and I'm just going to
raise it as a thing. Ikeep having this this kind of you know,

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train of thought when I'm sort ofat bored at work doing menial tasks.
What on earth do you think angePasta Koglu would do with Delhi Ali?
Ah? Yeah, I think there'sstill a player there, you know,
he's he's still only twenty seven.Yeah, you know, and I
think I think if you, ifanyone could get a tune at him again,
it would be him, wouldn't it, wouldn't it? Yeah, It's

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all I keep thinking because I mean, obviously he's been carrying an injury,
which is why he's not playing it. But I think he's training again now.
He's had treatment for addiction, he'shad treatment for psychological issues. You
know, he's obviously he's a very, very troubled person. You know,
he's had a really difficult life insome respects, you know, and and
and you think of all of thethings that he must have been carrying around

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in his head on his own atthat time that he was with us.
You know, quite a burden tohave on a set of young shoulders.
But you think, you know,if there's a way of coming out the
best of it, you know.And actually, you know, as much
as I do, quite like SeanDich, I think he's a very personal,
personable man. I think, isn'the as well? Yeah? And

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I think he's very respectful for whatAli's going through, and I think he
talks well about it, and he'snot as kind of no nonsense he as
people make him out to be PaulDich. I think he's a much more
sort of from intellectual person, youknow. So I'm not kind of belittling
what Everton are doing for Ali,but it was something that started. I
saw the other week that Spurs aretrying to renegotiate, and I think in

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light of all this financial fair playstuff, Spurs are offering Everton a way
to restructure the way that they areliable to make payments to us when he
makes certain number of appearances, andhe's getting close to that now. So
I think Spurs have offered him aslightly different deal to restructure it, and
Everton have turned it down. AndI thought, Oh, wouldn't it be

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nice if they said, right,fuck it, the whole deal's off,
We'll have him. But you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, that
would be a lovely little redemption arc, wouldn't it. Because he actually has
a lot about his game when hewas in his pomp. That would be
just perfect for this team, wouldn'tit, wouldn't it? You know,
if you think about having a playerthat deputies into that Madison role, you

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know, if you if you want, you need to have two players.
Obviously Koliseski can play there and BentonKirk can play there, but both of
there most likely other positions are inslightly deep, deeper or slightly wide and
bolt retrospectively or respectively. So Isay that actually, you know, having

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a player like him in the squad, you know where you're able to sort
of switch up that kind of thatthat that sort of technical ability and you
know, against being able to coastin and out of space and work work
space in for forward players. Ithink he's thriving that system. Anyway,
we are nice, nice to dream. Yeah right, let's wrap it up

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mate, And yeah, oh actuallyI think it'll be Richie that scores as
well. Yeah, I think,yeah, you think you're Richie. I
think I've got Romero from the cornerand possibly Richie getting the winner as well.
Are meant to say, you know, three and two, let's hope
it's coming for him. Yeah,you know, yeah, Andrew's saying he
looks much much better in training,he says, and you can tell a

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lot from that. He said.It's just the way he's moving and playing,
in his confidence and training. Hesaid, it's like nothing he's seen
from him at all since he tookover. So hopefully, hopefully, hopefully,
wouldn't that be marvelous because we're goingto need him in January when we
lose some Yes we are. Yeah, okay, well that's another upbeat pod,

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another win under the belt, Ontothe next one, onto the next
one, and all our businesses concludedfor the weekend, which means we can
watch both matches of the day withoutworrying about what we're going to see.
The women of pat Woolich at Whitesay one now, so that's another good
one. It's good in the worldof Spurs. Cool right, And on
that note, come on new Spurson Spurs. You know there's no place

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on those I wouldn't want to beright here, and you know, in
this minute of trying to bring successto one of the biggest football clubs in
the world. Mm hmmmmm, they'rebasic under lying principles and yao, one,
my team to play football that scaresthe life out of every opposition mate.
That's that's kind of the end game. Mhm hm