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October 3, 2025 • 16 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There are very few examples of people growing up and

(00:03):
being normal, Ron Howard.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Maybe I was just thinking about Opie Yeah, or Rizzi.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I know, but you can't think of a lot of
other examples came out somebody that was a child star
that grew up to be seemingly normal, even him. Ron
Howard regrets making the JD Vance movie because it helped
Trump play.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
He's quite libtarted, all right. So I want to tell
you all the story of Spencer Elden. That name, if
you're a nineties rock enthusiast, may sound a little familiar.
Spencer Elden was once a baby who appeared naked on
the cover of Nirvana's most famous album. Now I remember
that never Mind came out in nineteen ninety one, the
same day I think that Blood Sugar Sex Magic dropped

(00:45):
for the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It was an important
day for alternative rock because it was basically the death
of hair metal.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
When that music came out.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Everybody that was wearing an eyeliner and a half shirt
they had to go stand in the unemployment line.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
There was go find a whole shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
So that kid, you know, he was a baby, eventually
grew up to be an adult and then became very
screwed up. But in between the time of him being
a baby and him being a screwed up adult, h
there was this period of time where he seemed to
enjoy the fact that he was on the cover of
that album right up until he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
How did he know that was him? Well, because it
I guess his parents told him what I'm thinking, So
his parents probably should have never said that.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
His parents were paid by a photographer something like two
three hundred bucks, not a lot of money to have
the baby appear on the album cover, and at the time,
nobody thought that album was.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Going to be worth millions and millions of dogs should
have held out for like a penny a piece on
him album sales.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I mean, you're not wrong. Oh, they would have gotten
so much more. Yeah, at the time, that would have
sounded like a terrible deal, but they probably would have
made millions because that's one of the greatest selling rock
albums ever and at this point it's been around for
over three four decades. Right anyway, So this kid, every
year of his adolescence, his childhood, he would recreate that photo,

(02:02):
although apparently he'd wear a swimsuit most of the time, or.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
He's a grown up now, and then he'd post it online.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
He was really thought it was really cool, and then
one day he changed his mind about it.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I've rethought all this now.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Several years ago he filed a lawsuit against David Grohl
and Chris Novsalik and I think butch Vig was the
producer of the album, and he said, you know what,
it's child porn. You guys made money off child porn.
And so he sued and he lost because a US
district judge said, now, it's not child porn. You're you know,

(02:35):
And so he challenged it and it's been lost again.
A federal judge again threw out a lawsuit by the
man accusing grunge rock band Nirvana of distributing child sexual
abuse images by using a photograph of him naked swimming
on a cover of their breakthrough nineteen ninety one album
never Mind.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Now. I don't know which album, missus.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'll keep over with that kind of stuff, but I'm
guessing they didn't show any naughty bits on the picture.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Here.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I'll show you a picture of it on the screen here.
That's the photo. Billy Oh Boy, let me see what
do we got here? You go, okay, so you can't
see naughty bits because the baby's got a fat belly.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well he's got a thing right here. You see.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
You do see his tiny little lad You do see
his member. It's very small. It's not like he's I mean,
he's a baby. It's not baby. It's not like he's
doing sex stuff or whatever. He's just swimming naked.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Blur the general area, no king, genial, no bit one.
I mean, he was considered controversial, but still it's a child.
It's a naked picture of a baby.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
The defendants in the case included include surviving Nirvana members
David Girl and Chris Novacelic, obviously late lead singer Kirk
Cobain's widow Courtney Love, and the photographer Kirk Weddle. The
lawsuits stem from Nirvana's use of the photo taken by
Weeddle at the Pasadena Aquatic Center in California, depicting him
naked to swimming towards a dollar bill on a fishhook.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
If his parents have never told him that was hill,
have they just kept that little tidbit to themselves, he
might have grown up to become a useful member of
society instead of some guy that his only claim to
fame is he was a baby once and somebody took
a picture of him niked and now this is his
This is his life's goal is to.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Try to get some money out of it.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Just go find a job, buddy, go down to the
mall if you have to, and see who's hiring. Aldon
is now thirty four years old, which I guess is
nothing has he has he accomplished anything in his life. No, Nope,
his parents ruined him. He first sued the band in
twenty twenty one, accusing them of sexually exploiting him through
their depiction of him on the cover of the album.

(04:42):
A judge dismissed the case in twenty twenty two, then
he challenged it again. The Ninth Circuit Court reversed that decision,
and now they've determined that the image could not be
considered child porn, comparing it to a family photo of
a nude child bathing.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Isn't it art though? I mean it's art, it's not
a child. A photo of a nude child bathing would
be a family picture.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
He does like to do that got busted for, you know, prostitution,
paying for you know, a hole for six and he say,
I didn't pay it for the sex.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
That was a gratuity.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
See, your excuse is kind of like my, I mean,
his uh gratuity excuse.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I just gave, you know, a little tip on big tip.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I feel like, even though that was well explained, that
get you've completely missed the point, entirely missed.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Oh and it sounds about right.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
And I would never correct a black man, but in
this case, if you were white, I'd be telling you
right now that that's completely.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Wrong in every way whatsoever. Yea, it didn't get me
out of him out of trouble. Dide it.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's a baby swimming in a pool, chasing after a
dollar on a fish huk. It's clearly an artistic expression
of how.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
From and my my fifty dollars was clearly I mean,
his fifty dollars was.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Clearly a gratuity.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Nobody's bought in the six we had mutually agreed upon
no charge sex. And then afterwards he said, you know what,
how about a little something extra for the effort.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
And tell me again how you know this guy? Uh
pod no mind for you know, God new back in
the day.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
And why do you weirdly know every intimate detail of
his sexual rendezvous. He won't stop talking about it, really
always something to say. And is he a fan of Nirvana?
Is that anyway? I gotta think this kid's not gonna
get any money for it.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
But no, I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
To your point the parents, I mean, I don't know,
there's just something wrong with him, Like the kid is
obsessed with this one thing that happened to him before
he was even old enough to remember it.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Billy had right, his parents ruined him. It's kind of
kids that grow up with really really rich parents. They
almost never, not always, but almost never turn out to
amount to much affluenza.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I believe it's gonna word for that.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It happens.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Hey, unrelated to what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
If you find your way over to the Walton and
Johnson Instagram account, you will find a video that was
sent to us by one of our listeners, Dale in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Dale is a well educated hillbilly. I love Dale.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And it's a video of a patriot in a white
Charlie kirkshirt on the streets of Portland and he's being
attacked by a communist and the communists kind of egging
him on, encouraging him to take a swing at him.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
And then he does. He does, and then he knocks
the guy out just called.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
The guy on the Charlie kirkshirt side. He knocked out
the other the Antifa looking guy or whatever.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
The communist hits the ground hard. I'll never understand this.
The conservative guy clearly has more upper body. He clearly
played high school football. He clearly has done some I mean,
he's a little chubby, but he's clearly done some exercises.
The other guy looks like he's never seen a treadmill,
he's never been inside a jim in his life. And
then there's this ugly white girl, this Antifa girl, shouting

(07:50):
at the camera guy and the Patriot and saying that
they're both ugly and man, that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Was what she thought would really upset them while they're
in the middle of a fistfight. When I'm in the
middle of punching a guy in the face because he's
Communist trash, usually I'm not really that concerned what he's
ugly communist girlfriend thinks of me.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
But I kind of hope she does think I'm ugly.
I yeah, will that just be hurtful. No, I'm okay
with that. Yeah, absolutely, Look, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Hurt my feelings and I'll punch you in a face
and we'll see who feels like they're more upset.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Just because you're hung like a most doesn't mean you
got to do porn.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Walton and Johnson Radio Network, same thing. Nirvana has been
lying to us for years.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's just fascinating. No is just discovered right here live.
It's the same song. You weren't the same song twice
Allander October third, you tricked us. Well, now we'll know this,
will remember it forever. Kirk Cobaine and Chris Novasalaki, it's
the same song. This is bigger news than the Diddy ongoings.
There's a huge crowd outside of the Federal courthouse in

(08:49):
Manhattan right now. Did He is inside with his lawyers
and some of the lawyers from the other side as well.
And the judge is supposed to do some sentencing today. Now.
The crimes that he has been found guilty of could
call for twenty years in prison. Okay, the prosecution is
only asking the judge to sendence him to eleven years,

(09:12):
so they feel like they're being lenient. They could ask
for twenty, but they said, you know, eleven give or
take would be enough.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Of course, his defense side says he's done enough time.
He feels really bad about what happened. It's very remorseful.
He wrote a letter to the judge. He's going to
speak to the judge today live in the courthouse. He'll
have other people that'll probably show up and speak for him.
And his attorneys have made an eleven minute video showing
you know, like home movies from when he was a

(09:39):
little kid and stuff, trying to convince the judge that
he's not that bad a guy.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Come on light now.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Combs is wearing a white sweater, black pants, and glasses.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
He has he a.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Fashion man and so he said he you know, his
lawyers are you dead man? It can't be going into
jail clothes to the sentence and he got to wear
real street clothes. He has a noticeably gray beard. Do
you think he did that on purpose for sympathy or
is it just I don't think he had a choice.
They don't let you dye your hair and stuff in jail.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Orange is a new black line to me. I yeah
they did. I thought that day did.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
That Hollywood manages to get away with a few lies
occasionally when they well, they'll just you know, stretch the
truth a little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
His fall.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
His five adult children and mother are also president in
the court right now. Combs has waved to them and
blown kisses to them. Before taking his seat. He scans
the gallery intensely. Aren't these live updates pointless? They're pointless? Yeah,
just tell us what happens at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Combs sounds chipper when the judge greets him morning, Judge, Yeah,
because I didn't do that much, you know, wrong or anything. Now,
I don't know if they're going to show that video
of him, you know, uh, yanking and kicking and hurting
the woman in the hallway out in front of that
elevator while he was wearing a towel. That one stood
out in my mind. But you know, the defense is

(10:57):
doing their job. They're trying to make him seem a
non threat. So why would you want to keep him
in jail.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I know this is anecdotal, but just reading what people
are saying about him on Twitter, it sounds like black
people are really mad at him. This isn't like the
oj trial where they wanted OJ to get off scott
free because I guess a lot of his victims were
also black, and so some people don't like that in
the black community.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Not a lot of OJ's victims. No, I mean ditties. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
When you say he and you comparing one heat to
another heat, you're right, that be more specific.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
About he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Well, I'm just here to help people understand what's going
on in the black community.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's that's your only reason to be here.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I feel like, as a you know, a diplomat, an
ambassador to the black community, the least I could do
is tell you what's going on.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Was that an elected opposition or were you appointed? I
was more of a volunteer. Oh really, I'm just happy
to help out.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, just letting help in him because I didn't get
invited to the cookout.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know, so I figure, well, why didn't you get
invited to the cookout? They're very hurtful when you don't
get invited to the cookout. There's this rap video that's
just went viral.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't remember the woman's name, and we won't bother
tell she's.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Not getting invited to the cookout. That's what it's about
that's right. She's from Houston. Did you know who she was?
I notice all I didn't know who were doing it.
It's a mono.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Leo is her name, and boy, her teeth are just
disgusting yuck. Ew. She's got all this like metal in
her mouth, and I don't know that's supposed to look good.
It looks disgusting to me.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
But anyway, she's got a song about how white people
all the black people to the front, white people not
allowed at the cookout. And so I wondered about the cookouts.
So moments ago I was doing a Google news search
for cookouts. An awful lot of people get shot at
those black cookouts.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Mister, Yeah, yeah, I'm afraid that does happen. You know that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
That ain't the kind of thing I'm real proud of.
And my people need to work on that a little bit.
It's like your people need to work on some things too,
you know, sonium, school shootings and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
That's your people right there. Valid point.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, he's right.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
But from what I can tell from the you know,
it's a Chicago Weekend crime report, shootouts and cookouts seem
to happen a little more often than school shootouts too.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's better to not get invited to the cookout. Don't
feel so bad. Then here's the problem with that. Have
you ever had Whitey's potato salad.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And in very good?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, you know, German potato salad is pretty good and
they're considered white people.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Mister, Oh uh, you didn't know, is he? No, he's wrong.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well maybe it's better than some of that thick mayonnaise
potato salad, but you know, you got to put some
of that muscled up in there. See, this is a
tough one for me because I don't want to get shot.
But I like potato salad. You like mayonnaise, or you'd
like most of salad.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I mean, I like the good stuff. I don't know
what's in it. I don't know how to make it.
I just I like it to have a little kick,
you know.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well you also put some of that spicy barbecue has
also been there is a secret thing I don't tell
many people.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
That's crazy. What about the white sauce from Alabama?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Now keep that? Okay, that's for y'all. All right, all right,
never mind, Y won't put it in there.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
But no, you won't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I don't think we're going to get the results here
at the Diddy trial before the end of the show.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
No, No, Like I said, it's gonna take a while
because I'm gonna have a lot of people come up
and tell you all kinds of wonderful things about what
a great guy he is and always has been. He'll
talk to the judge, he'll have and they're gonna play
that video. The video itself is like eleven minutes long.
Plus they're, you know, lawyers, They're gonna talk all day
if they get to eleven minutes in this post TikTok America,
who's got time for an eleven minute video? Nobody pays

(14:17):
attention to stuff like that. I mean, what, how long
would you say the average video should be on social
media to get people to watch the whole thing? Seventeen seconds?
I mean absolutely anything more than twenty you're pushing it,
all right, folks. Before we get out of here, a
quick reminder it wasn't all bad this week. Turning Point
USA high school clubs more than doubled nationwide after Charlie

(14:39):
Kirk's dead. They are now twenty seven hundred new ones,
and there's a new migrant caravan. It's trying to get
asylum in Mexico City instead of the United States because
they know they ain't welcome here. And Apple took down
that ice tracking app. No longer are they gonna help
illegal immigrants with the iPhone app store anymore? That you
had the app and they took the app down, you've
already got the app. Does it stop working when they

(15:02):
said they took it down? Or can you just not
new people can't get it. I don't know the answer
to that question, Billy ed. But let me just shove
one more good news story in your your ear hole
real quick. A five year old girl went home with
a new heart after spending almost one thousand days in
a hospital in Utah. The little girl's name is Sienna Barton.
I'm gonna let her get the last word.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
She was two years old when she went into the hospital.
Now she's five.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Our daughter is only alive today because.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Of another family choosing donation. Our hearts are selfful.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's the mom obviously. And for whatever it's worth, whatever
problem you have, just remember they're bigger problems in the world.
It's it's gonna be okay, but she gonna be all right. John,
You want to get the last word.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Don't forget boys and girls too, eat it every day.
Hey again, you've reached the end of the Walton and
Johnson podcast.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Good for you. That means you listened all the way
to the end.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Does it mean we're going away now never to be
heard again? No, no, no, there will be a new
show tomorrow. Oh thank goodness, unless it's the weekend or
we're off work. But as always, you could go to
waltonand Johnson dot com and you can find all kinds
of cool stuff there. Our news blog, links to our
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are very boring. If you comment on our social media pages,

(16:15):
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Speaker 3 (16:16):
Chances are we're just sitting around waiting to hear from you. Yeah, so,
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