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October 29, 2025 • 12 mins
Kenny Webster interviews Austin Peterson.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, if you enjoy the Walton Johnson Show like we do,
then you might also enjoy the Pursuit of Happiness show
in the afternoon with Oh Guinney Webster there.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
And as a matter of fact, I think, do we
have a clip?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Can we play a clip? Oh? Is are we playing?
We're playing spooky music because it's Halloween? Is that what
that is? Snap? Benefits for low income Americans will end
on Saturday thanks to the government shutdown.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
But apparently it.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wasn't wasn't it Jesus after all, who once said, Hey,
screw those poor people, right? I kid, Hey, everybody, look,
we're thirty eight trillion dollars in debt. We have spent
a trillion dollars since August. A trillion dollars since August.
That's a lot of money, you guys. Think about that
took what did it take over one hundred years to
spend the first trillion to get it the first trillion

(00:53):
in debt. Now fast forward in time. In a little
over a month, we spent a trillion dollars. That's terrifying.
And there's a lot of alarmism going on right now.
Here's a video I found online of an obese white
woman talking about how there's going to be a violent
revolution to overthrow the country if Trump doesn't pay people
their SNAP benefits.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
And next week when millions of people are going to
have through his work to possibly stealing in order to
feed themselves in their families, and the government complaints because
they will complain about the crime rate going up even
though they're the ones.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Who did it.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Make sure you point your anger at the system and
the people at the top, because they're the ones who
took the food.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
It's a fat white girl with blue hair and a
septum piercing. But you knew that. You knew that the
poor people.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Just want to eat. They just want to survive like
the rest of us. They just want to keep living
like the rest of us. So when you see them stealing,
because you will, because they're going to have to make
sure your anger isn't directed at the individual. This goes
so much deeper because some kind of flips of tables.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Time to flip some tables. It goes so much deeper.
It doesn't sound that deep to me. Here's some fun
facts about Snap benefits and EBT. Forty two million people
getting food stamps, essentially seventy percent of them are obese
or overweight, only four point two million. That'd be ten
percent or disabled. Of those, forty four percent of those
disabilities are due to obesity related illnesses. Three point nine

(02:21):
million SNAP recipients are the children of illegal aliens. One
point five million are refugees or assyllees from other countries.
It's not sustainable. Guys here with his take on it, evil, hateful, garbage,
deplorable Nazi. Austin Peterson of the Libertarian Republic. How are you, Austin?

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Hey, I'm a deplorable We can find we can argue
about the other stuff. How's it going, Kenny, Hey, thanks
so much for having me on here today. I love
talking to the good people of the Gulf Coast. This
is a fascinating story. We're finally going to see what
happens when the federal government runs out of other people's money.
That states like Texas, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and a few others

(03:01):
have already put out warnings saying they can't issue November
benefits without funding. So we're looking at just a few
more days until we get to see if people really
are going to make good on their threats to steal
what they aren't able to take through the government, So
no federal food aid issuance November first on the USDA.
Now keep in mind, kiddy, they've got a five billion
dollar contingency fund for that. If they wanted to pull

(03:23):
that contingency fund money, they could, but they're saying they're
not going to do it. One in eight Americans are
our neighbors, working families, seniors, disabled people are on food stamps.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
There's a lot of fraud, absolutely, and.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
I'm looking forward to going into a few of these
big cases of fraud in this one. But it's it
just goes to show that the dependency that we have
bred in this country has made people fragile, and now
this dependency has has created a vulnerability in our society.
But there's hope. There's there's some red pills in all
of this. There's some good news. There's some white pills

(03:57):
in all of this. To use a different term, which is,
you know, happy pills, and that is that the amount
of spending that we have in voluntary charity through food
banks and nonprofits in this country dwarfs the amount of
money that is spent on EBT and SNAP. So you know,
this subsidized nutritional pro program. So it's not as if
there's not going to be any kind of a backstop.

(04:19):
There is now a lot of food banks across the country.
I've been reading about it this morning. They're already stretched
to the max. But I've seen, at least anecdotally on
my Facebook timeline, your family friends who are saying things like,
if anybody loses their EBT or snap benefits, contact me.
We'll be happy to support you and do what we can.
And they'll do it confidentially. And Kenny, that's supposed that's

(04:41):
how it's supposed to work. Isn't that how it's supposed
to work, Kenny, I.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Mean I would think so. Look, it's an amazing thing
about people on the right. Conservatives, according to most studies
i've seen, earn less money than liberals, actually give more
money to charity than liberals. Isn't that remarkable. But a
brilliant man once said, when you start paying people to
be poor, you wind up with an awful lot of
poor people. And of course that that person was Kanye West. No,

(05:07):
I'm just kidding. That was Milton Friedman.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
And is he wrong?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
No, he's not wrong.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
I mean, the problem, of course, is that the LAPS
is going to point it as for hating poor people.
But I don't hate poor people. I want poor people
to be able to get the help that they need.
I just don't think that the government's the best way
to do that. And I've got like half a dozen
examples here of the waste, fraud and abuse in the system.
It's like five billion dollars is what the federal government

(05:38):
has in their fund. They're subsidized. There the fund ready
to hand out as an emergency. They say they're not
going to do it, but it's about nine billion dollars
that they need in order to run this program. But
there have been so many cases of fraud. If you
think about it, it's about a third of the money
that's spending these programs goes to administrative fees, you know,
VISA VI, the bureaucrats. And then there's the waste fraud

(06:02):
abuse that you know, we wish that Elon Musk was
still in the government pulling a doze for us to
get rid of. But you know, sad to see that
he's still on the outside. We need him back inside
because look at October twenty thirteen, there was the Gray
Walmart Unlimited spree. Some of you guys would probably remember
this because it was actually in New Orleans, right, for example,

(06:22):
where they Yeah, you guys remember that, you remember this Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Vividly, of course.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
People's EBT cards were not they weren't maxing out. They
could buy an unlimited amount of whatever they wanted. And
in the I don't know if you remember the video
from this Austin, but in the middle of it, they
fixed they fixed the bug. Right, people were buying whatever
they wanted with their EBT cards with no limitations, and
then suddenly, in the middle of it, it fixed itself.
So everybody standing around in the walmart with shopping cards

(06:49):
full of stuff just left their stuff there and walked off. Now,
don't you feel kind of bad for the employees. It
was a it was a huge mess. It was like
a ryot.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Yeah, that's yea. They feel bad for the people there
in New Orleans. I knew you would love that story
because I was like, oh God, that's a good local
angle there. But now there was a case just this
year that people probably don't know because this was on
the federal side. As a woman by the name of
our Lasa Davis. She was a USDA employee. She was
indicted for running one of the largest food stamp frauds

(07:19):
in US history. So what she would do is, according
to federal prosecutors, she sold confidential EBT authorization codes to
a network of scammers, enabling over thirty six million dollars
in fraudulent SNAP transactions. And her co conspirators installed hundreds
of these rogue EBT card terminals and then rang up

(07:39):
more than thirty million dollars in fake food purchases. She
would literally go around photographing lists of secret store ideas
and then gave them to the crooks in exchange for
bribes that were disguised as like birthday gifts and flowers. Right,
And this went on for years, tens of millions of
dollars that's supposed to go to Hungary families instead going

(08:00):
to a network of super welfare fraudsters that were stealing
tens of millions, thirty six million dollars in fraudulent SNAP charges.
It's the it's the probably the biggest snap fraud, biggest
food stamp fraud in US history. And you're telling me
that there isn't room to cut spinning in these in
these areas like how was that going unreported for years? Kenny,

(08:23):
They're a sleep of the switch.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I mean it's really there's something to be said
about that, and it's it's not getting better. There was
another scandal in Louisiana several years ago. I remember hearing
there was an adult novelty shop Austin, a place where
you could buy marital aids and massage ones, and they
were taking EVT there.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I feel like it always.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I know it's probably not fair because it's nearby here
and we were very actively involved in the media there,
but it feels like Louisiana is ground zero for food
stamp fraud. Is that just anecdotal or is that real?

Speaker 5 (08:55):
I that's that anecdotal from my experience with are these
stories that I've been pulling this more? A lot of
them are in the South, sadly, but this one, this
federal kid, there's plenty of fraud on the federal side
as well. Yeah, there was this I'm trying to pull
this up. I had this interesting story from this one.
Wasn't like the thirty six million is obviously the biggest

(09:16):
one that in history, but there's this other there was
this other story. Uh, we pull it is oh yeah,
this was North Carolina's listen to this. The social services
case worker Lakeisha McDougal. Lakeisha pull a smaller scale insider scam.
She would quietly divert food stamp benefits to herself, altering

(09:39):
the client records and the computers, ordering EBT cards in
their names and had them sent to their address, and
then she would add like fake dependence to jack up
the payments, and then she would sell those EBT cards
for her own shopping sprace. She she pocketed two hundred
and thirty four thousand dollars in snap fun And and
that's that's just what we know that's going on. That's

(09:59):
just what we've uncovered. Kenny, You and I know, well,
have you ever seen a Facebook marketplace ads? They will
sometimes brazenly sell the EBT cards for sixty cents on
the dollar. You want a dollar in food stamps, you
give them sixty cents. They want the cash. What do
you think they're doing with it, Kenny? They're snorting it
up their nose, right, They're smoking crack, that's.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
What they're doing with it. But they do this in
the open. So think about that. If that's these gigantic
scams are what we've seen, think about how big the
black market must be in DCE. I think this needs
to be the catalyst for reform. So I don't know
what's going to happen here in a few days, but
I'll tell you what. The rampant theft and the violations

(10:39):
of property rights and stand out of the store, stealing
from people and stuff like that, it's not going to
last long.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
In the South. I mean, I don't know how they
do it up north. I know how they do it
in California, but probably not Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida,
states like that.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
They don't put up with that kind of stuff for
too long. Kenny, Well, I hope not.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I'm sure Lakeisha's innocent, but I'm sure all the other
people are guilty. Food stamp fraud is kind of like
it's like a news story about teachers having sex with
kids on any given day. If you don't see a
news story about it and you go looking for one,
you always find one. You cannot just go to Google
news and type food stamp fraud, EBT fraud, snap fraud.

(11:19):
There's always a news story. Here's one right here. Eleven
arrested in foodstock fraud, a food food stamp fraud targeting
Seattle CID women charged in food stamp fraud case. That
one was in Where's this Minnesota. They're just they happen
all the time. Austin has always fantastic work, my man.
If people want to check out your podcast or the
work that you do, you're easy to find. You're on

(11:41):
the internet. They don't even need snap benefits, do they No.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
But I'm ap for liberty pretty much everywhere everywhere on
the internet. But my recommendation is that people go to
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They're gonna find all your incredible products, and there's a

(12:06):
link even if they go to the homepage to try
and find that. If they want to find my podcast,
I've got my podcast linked over there as well. So
check out the I LOVEWJ dot com website, check out
your collection, buy some sweet merch. Christmas is coming, the
goose is getting fat. And for those of us who
do work for a living and art on food stamps.
We can get ourselves something nice for the Walton and

(12:27):
Johnson store. We don't have to steal it.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh I love that.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
All kinds of great stuff. Golf of America, hats we are,
Charlie Kirk, a lot of great MAGA products on their dog,
Helen Keller's Memorial gun range. So much great stuff you
can even buy EBT cards sixty cents on the dollar.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Apparently live from Texas, broadcasting across the peoples. We don't
think of America. This is proceeds of How It Is
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